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		<title>The True Story of Chanukkah</title>
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		<description> Chanukkah is the story of a group of warriors (the Maccabees, later the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasmonean&quot;&gt;Hasmoneans&lt;/a&gt;, led by Mattathias) who rose up against the Greeks (the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seleucid_Empire&quot;&gt;Seleucids&lt;/a&gt;), united the Jews, reclaimed the Temple (&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_in_Jerusalem&quot;&gt;Beit HaMikdash&lt;/a&gt;), and then lit one day&apos;s supply of oil which miraculously lasted for eight days, started a brand new holiday called Chanukkah, and brought Jewish sovereignty and peace to the land of Israel.  Except that almost every part of that story is either wrong or completely misleading. 1) Chanukkah as a Civil War Between the Jews&lt;/span&gt;
To start with, Chanukkah is just as much about a civil war among the Jews as it is about a war between the Greeks and a solidified Jewish force (&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanukkah#The_story&quot;&gt;wikipedia&lt;/a&gt;): 
&lt;blockquote&gt;Many modern scholars argue that the king may have been intervening in an internal civil war between the traditionalist Jews in the country and the Hellenized elite Jews in Jerusalem. These competed violently over who would be the High Priest, with traditionalists with Hebrew/Aramaic names like Onias overthrown by Hellenizers with Greek names like Jason and Menelaus. As the conflict escalated, Antiochus took the side of the Hellenizers by prohibiting the religious practices the traditionalists had rallied around. This may explain why the king, in a total departure from Seleucid practice in all other places and times, banned the traditional religion of a whole people.&lt;/blockquote&gt;The Maccabean uprising itself began with a Jew killing a Jew.  (&quot;After Antiochus issued his decrees forbidding Jewish religious practice, a rural Jewish priest from Modiin, Mattathias the Hasmonean, sparked the revolt against the Seleucid Empire by refusing to worship the Greek gods. &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maccabean_revolt#The_Revolt&quot;&gt;Mattathias slew a Hellenistic Jew who stepped forward to offer a sacrifice to an idol in Mattathias&apos; place.&lt;/a&gt; He and his five sons fled to the wilderness of Judea.&quot;)

Ironically, although the Hasmoneans started out at war against the Hellenizing and secularizing Jews, as they solidified power &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.kolel.org/pages/holidays/Chanukah_intro.html&quot;&gt;they got into another conflict, except this time&lt;/a&gt; &quot;the Hasmoneans sided with the Sadducees, the priestly advocates of the authority of Temple Sacrifice, against the Pharisees, the forerunners of the rabbis and the form of rabbinic Judaism we continue to practise today.&quot;

So when the Orthodox in Israel and the secular Jews in American celebrate Chanukkah, they are both commemorating a military victory by a group that tried to destroy them.

For more on Chanukkah as a civil war, see this article in Slate Magazine &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.slate.com/id/2133068/&quot;&gt;The Maccabees and the Hellenists&lt;/a&gt;&quot;

2) The Miracle of the Oil that Burned for Eight Days&lt;/span&gt;
For people who don&apos;t believe in miracles, then obviously there wasn&apos;t any Chanukkah miracle.  But even for those people who do believe in miracles, there is much evidence that there wasn&apos;t any magical oil that burned for eight days.  The most obvious reason to discount the idea of magical oil burning for eight days is that this supposed miracle isn&apos;t referred to in the Book of Maccabees, the most contemporaneous account.  The section on the rededication of the Temple &lt;a href=&quot;http://books.google.co.il/books?id=PoqeaUWscB0C&amp;amp;pg=PA481&amp;amp;lpg=PA481&amp;amp;dq=%22and+so+they+kept+the+dedication+of+the+altar+eight+days%22&amp;amp;source=web&amp;amp;ots=F8qASpFMl3&amp;amp;sig=4JkX7MY4GFOB0bsq9MdXej45mDw&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;sa=X&amp;amp;oi=book_result&amp;amp;resnum=3&amp;amp;ct=result&quot;&gt;merely reads&lt;/a&gt; &quot;And so they kept the dedication of the altar eight days&quot; with no mention anywhere of miraculous oils.  Similarly, &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanukkah#Additions_to_the_daily_prayers&quot;&gt;al hanissim&lt;/a&gt;, the special prayer said during Chanukkah refers to a miracle, but it&apos;s the miracle of a military victory, not of oil that burned for 8 days.  The first mention of the magic oil appears in the Talmud, &lt;a href=&quot;http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/faithvalues/2002675315_glickmancolumn10m.html&quot;&gt;roughly 600 years&lt;/a&gt; after the rededication of the Temple. 

So why was a story invented about oil burning for eight days?  Possibly, as a post-hoc explanation to explain why the holiday was eight days long (more on this shortly).  Just as likely, to change the tone of the holiday from one of military conquest to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.kolel.org/pages/holidays/Chanukah_intro.html&quot;&gt;God&apos;s presence&lt;/a&gt;:
&lt;blockquote&gt;So what happened to the story of the oil and the miracle of the lights? Well, that&apos;s where the rabbis come in. In the rabbinic sources, we find virtual silence on the topic of Chanukah in the Mishnah. It is only in the Gemara (the later rabbinic material which, along with the Mishna makes up the Talmud) that we find the new story about the oil and the miracle of the lights. By the time of the development of the Talmud, around 200-500 C.E., the Jews were living under Roman rule in Israel and under Persian rule in Babylon. In these circumstances, celebrating stories about military rebellion might not be viewed in too positive a light by the authorities, and the sages also feared that some Jewish hotheads might stir up trouble and cause all kinds of problems for the Jewish community. So the Talmudic sages put a new spin on the established holiday: God wrought a great miracle for the people, enabling the few to triumph over the many, and God showed the people another miracle in the oil, when a flask of ritually pure oil sufficient for one day lasted for all eight days.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
3) Chanukkah as the Late Version of &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukkot&quot;&gt;Sukkhot&lt;/a&gt;
So if there wasn&apos;t magic oil that burned for eight days, then why is Chanukkah an eight day holiday?  Because of what happened &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.kolel.org/pages/holidays/Chanukah_intro.html&quot;&gt;after the Maccabean revolt succeeded&lt;/a&gt;:
&lt;blockquote&gt;When they took over the Temple and cleaned out all the remnants of the idolatrous Greek worship, they rededicated the Temple and then immediately held a late observance of the eight day festival of Sukkot, the most important festival of Temple times. The next year, to commemorate their victory and the rededication of the Temple, a &quot;late Sukkot&quot; was held again, thereby giving birth to our eight-day celebration of Chanukah - which means &quot;dedication&quot;.&lt;/blockquote&gt;And you want to guess what they called &lt;a href=&quot;http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/faithvalues/2002675315_glickmancolumn10m.html&quot;&gt;this new holiday&lt;/a&gt;?
&lt;blockquote&gt;As a result, they celebrated Sukkot late that year &#8212; in December, during the Hebrew month of Kislev. In fact, the book of Maccabees doesn&apos;t even call the festival Hanukkah. Instead, it refers to the celebration as Sukkot B&apos;kislev &#8212; December Sukkot.&lt;/blockquote&gt;4) Additional Chanukkah Trivia About &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herod_the_Great&quot;&gt;Herod the Great&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
After the Hasmoneans seized power in Israel, they continued their civil war against other Jews.  They also began &lt;a href=&quot;http://books.google.co.il/books?id=56QJ9O7MFJ4C&amp;amp;pg=PA56&amp;amp;lpg=PA56&amp;amp;dq=hasmoneans+forcible+conversion&amp;amp;source=bl&amp;amp;ots=qKCJttNxlz&amp;amp;sig=rOEsxQBCzh3IWRqpPsQBZEcRmOc&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;sa=X&amp;amp;oi=book_result&amp;amp;resnum=1&amp;amp;ct=result&quot;&gt;forcibly converting other people in the land to Judaism&lt;/a&gt;:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Yet what was most devastating about Hasmonean rule was its retreat from the principles of the Maccabean rebellion.  It was the Hasmoneans who introduced into Jewish history the infamous policy of coercive conversion by compelling pagan residents of Galilee and of Idumea either to accept conversion to Judaism or to be killed.  This forcible conversion policy, so notorious in later Jewish history, unfortunately was introduce by the Jews themselves.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Then, &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herod_the_Great#Biography&quot;&gt;along comes King Herod, but&lt;/a&gt; &quot;since Herod&apos;s family had converted to Judaism under duress, his Jewishness had come into question by some elements of Judean society.&quot;  And if you go on the &lt;a href=&quot;http://english.thekotel.org/content.asp?id=116&quot;&gt;Western Wall Tunnel Tour in Jerusalem&lt;/a&gt;, the tour guide will tell you that Herod rebuilt the Temple in Jerusalem to try to prove his commitment to Judaism, but even after all his efforts the Temple Priests refused to recognize his Judaism and would not let him enter the Temple that he built.

And don&apos;t even get me started on potato lattkes... </description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 11:54:49 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>Do you know these children?</title>
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		<description> &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.missing-identity.net/mi/&quot;&gt;Do you, or an older relative of yours, recognize any of these children?&lt;/a&gt; More than 70 children separated from their families during WWII, now all elderly men and women, are using the Internet to try to find some answers about their pasts, their families, and sometimes even their own names.  They are soliciting help and suggestions in the comments sections on each story. &lt;small&gt;Sadly typical story: &lt;i&gt;&quot;The infant was hungry and crying, so her mother asked for milk from a Polish couple that happened to be on the train station. The Polish man brought milk for the baby.

Then the Jewish mother asked if they would want to take the baby as their own because she could not keep it. This couple did not have any children, so after some consideration, they agreed. They asked the Jewish mother who she was, but she told them that it was better for them and for the baby not to know who she was.

She then gave her newborn baby girl, who was probably one month old, to the Polish couple. The Polish couple raised the girl as if she was their biological daughter and never told her how she had come into the family.

The girl grew up, married and had a son. It is this son who wants to find his Jewish roots...&quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/small&gt; </description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 12:32:10 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>Bacterial marketing: the other Oskar Schindler</title>
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		<description> Upon the Nazi invasion of Poland, pediatrician Eugeniusz &#321;azowski and his friend Stanis&#322;aw Matulewicz &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ama-assn.org/amednews/2004/07/05/prsb0705.htm&quot;&gt;fabricated a fake typhus epidemic&lt;/a&gt; to &lt;a href=&quot;http://stjoenj.net/lazowski/lazowski.html&quot;&gt;save Polish Jews from the Nazis&lt;/a&gt;. Knowing that typhus-infected Jews would be summarily executed, &lt;a href=&quot;http://holocaustforgotten.com/eugene.htm&quot;&gt;non-Jews were injected with the harmless Proteus OX19&lt;/a&gt;, which would generate false positives for typhus. Anglicising his name to &quot;Eugene Lazowski&quot;, the doctor moved to the United States after the war. He lived and worked in Chicago from 1958, and &lt;a href=&quot;http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4155/is_20061220/ai_n17079978&quot;&gt;passed away in late 2006 at the vernerable age of 92&lt;/a&gt;, in Eugene (!), Oregon.

Oddly little is written about Lazowski and Matulewicz on the web; although apparently there has been &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.siu.edu/~perspect/01_fall/documentary.html&quot;&gt;work on a documentary titled &quot;A Private War&quot; by a filmmaker named Ryan Bank&lt;/a&gt;.

So feel free to add supporting links if you are aware of any. </description>
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		<title>From the Diary of Adam Czerniakow on the Eve of the Deportation from the Warsaw Ghetto, 1942</title>
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		<description> &lt;em&gt;&quot;They are demanding that I kill the children of my people with my own hands&quot;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/br&gt;On October 4, 1939, a few days after Warsaw&apos;s surrender to the Nazis, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/biography/Czerniakow.html&quot;&gt;Adam&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.deathcamps.org/occupation/czerniakow.html&quot;&gt;Czerniak&amp;#0243;w&lt;/a&gt; was made &lt;a href=&quot;http://www1.yadvashem.org.il/search/index_search.html&quot;&gt;head of the 24 member Judenrat, the Jewish Council &lt;em&gt;&lt;small&gt;(write &quot;Czerniakow&quot; in the linked page&apos;s search box)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/em&gt; &lt;/a&gt;responsible for implementing German orders &lt;a href=&quot;http://warsawghetto.epixtech.co.uk/WarsawGhettoMap.htm&quot;&gt;in the Jewish community&lt;/a&gt;&lt;small&gt; &lt;em&gt;(interactive map of the Warsaw ghetto)&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/small&gt;. On July 22, 1942 -- &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tisha_B&apos;Av&quot;&gt;Tisha B&apos;Av&lt;/a&gt;, the &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.myjewishlearning.com/holidays/TishaBav.htm&quot;&gt;saddest day in Jewish history&lt;/a&gt;&quot; --  the Judenrat received instructions that &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.deathcamps.org/occupation/warsaw%20ghetto.html&quot;&gt;all Warsaw Jews were to be deported to the East&lt;/a&gt; &lt;small&gt;(exceptions were to be made for Jews working in German factories, Jewish hospital staff, members of the Judenrat and their families, and members of the Jewish police force and their families. Czerniak&amp;#0243;w tried to convince the Germans at least not to deport the Jewish orphans)&lt;/small&gt;.  Czerniak&amp;#0243;w kept a diary from September 6, 1939, until the day of his death. It was published in 1979 in the English language as the &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1566632307/metafilter-20/ref=nosim/&quot;&gt;The Warsaw Diary of Adam Czerniak&amp;#0243;w: Prelude to Doom&lt;/a&gt;&quot;, edited by one of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.uvm.edu/~uvmpr/vq/VQSUMMER01/truths.html&quot;&gt;most prominent&lt;/a&gt; Holocaust &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/index=books&amp;field-author-exact=Raul%20Hilberg&amp;rank=-relevance%2C%2Bavailability%2C-daterank/002-9823318-2459235&quot;&gt;scholars&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E0CEED61038F933A1575AC0A964958260&amp;sec=&amp;pagewanted=all&quot;&gt;Raul&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A03E2DC1038F932A2575BC0A963948260&amp;sec=&amp;pagewanted=all&quot;&gt;Hilberg&lt;/a&gt;. More inside.  </description>
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