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		<title>UK and USA might lose AAA rating</title>
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		<description> Standard &amp;amp; Poor&#8217;s changed the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/recession/5360783/Britains-prized-AAA-rating-under-threat-as-SandP-issues-stark-warning.html&quot;&gt;UK&apos;s credit outlook from stable to negative&lt;/a&gt; a few days ago, and warned that there is a chance the UK could lose its AAA rating. Meanwhile, Moodys, another of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.investopedia.com/articles/03/102203.asp&quot;&gt;big 3&lt;/a&gt; rating agencies, has warned that &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/5534bd04-3f27-11de-ae4f-00144feabdc0.html?nclick_check=1&quot;&gt;the US might also eventually lose its AAA rating&lt;/a&gt;. The UK announcement &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.marketwatch.com/story/sp-cuts-uk-outlook-to-negative-from-stable&quot;&gt; caused sterling to drop by 1% and the FTSE by 2%&lt;/a&gt;. However, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/02/rating-agencies-moodys-sp-and-fitch-revised-version/&quot;&gt;many&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&amp;sid=ajs7BqG4_X8I&quot;&gt;blame&lt;/a&gt; the same rating agencies for their part in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&amp;sid=ax3vfya_Vtdo&quot;&gt;triggering&lt;/a&gt; the subprime crisis. The irony of this is not lost on the &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.wsj.com/marketbeat/2009/05/21/with-uk-aaa-rating-in-jeopardy-is-us-next/&quot;&gt;Wall Street Journal&lt;/a&gt;, who note that &quot;After all, those governments are jacking up spending, in part, to bail out the financial firms who gobbled up those &apos;AAA&apos; asset backed securities duly blessed by the credit ratings firms.&quot; How did the CDO&apos;s get AAA rated in the first place? There are reports that it &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/0c82561a-2697-11dd-9c95-000077b07658.html?nclick_check=1&quot;&gt;may have been a bug in the rating software&lt;/a&gt;, although Greenspan says its because the ratings were &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&amp;articleId=9117961&quot;&gt;based on only the last two decades&lt;/a&gt;, giving a too-optimistic outlook. This &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.voxeu.org/index.php?q=node/3352&quot;&gt;reseach paper&lt;/a&gt; by Vasiliki Skreta and Laura Veldkamp looks through some of the options.

Incidentally, all the ratings given by the rating agencies come with a disclaimer: S&amp;amp;P says in small print: &quot;Any user of the information contained herein should not rely on any credit rating or other opinion contained herein in making any investment decision&quot;. Joseph Mason, a former economist at the US Treasury Department, points out that &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&amp;sid=ajs7BqG4_X8I&quot;&gt;&quot;The ratings giveth and the disclaimer takes it away.&quot;&lt;/a&gt; </description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 15:11:41 -0800</pubDate>
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		<dc:creator>memebake</dc:creator>
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		<title>Dating A Banker Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/78657/Dating%2DA%2DBanker%2DAnonymous</link>
		<description>&lt;a href="http://dabagirls.wordpress.com/"&gt;Dating A Banker Anonymous&lt;/a&gt; &lt;i&gt;Are you or someone you love dating a banker? If so, we are here to support you through these difficult times. Dating A Banker Anonymous (DABA) is a safe place where women can come together &#8211; free from the scrutiny of feminists&#8211; and share their tearful tales of how the mortgage meltdown has affected their relationships.&lt;/i&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/28/nyregion/28daba.html?ref=nyregion&quot;&gt;Via&lt;/a&gt;  </description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 09:54:37 -0800</pubDate>
		<category>banking</category>
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		<category>golddiggers</category>
		<category>money</category>
		<category>recession</category>
		<category>wealth</category>
		<dc:creator>ColdChef</dc:creator>
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		<title>AAA?</title>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/12/01/081201fa_fact_cassidy"&gt;Anatomy of a Meltdown&lt;/a&gt; - Ben Bernanke and the financial crisis &lt;small&gt;&lt;small&gt;(&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/12/01/081201fa_fact_cassidy?currentPage=all&quot;&gt;in one page&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/small&gt;  </description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 06:47:35 -0800</pubDate>
		<category>bailout</category>
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		<category>Fed</category>
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		<category>money</category>
		<category>politics</category>
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		<dc:creator>Gyan</dc:creator>
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		<title>sovereign risk and the current economy</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/76207/sovereign%2Drisk%2Dand%2Dthe%2Dcurrent%2Deconomy</link>
		<description> Another economic post. With the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&amp;sid=aZcy_2pZwjTs&amp;refer=home&quot;&gt;debt&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://money.cnn.com/2008/11/03/markets/stockswatch/&quot;&gt;equity&lt;/a&gt; markets in a comparative calm, a lot of people are asking &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gosanangelo.com/news/2008/nov/01/opinion-next-president-faces-budget-woes/&quot;&gt;what&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.startribune.com/lifestyle/yourmoney/33619014.html?elr=KArksLckD8EQDUoaEyqyP4O:DW3ckUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aU7EaDiaMDCiUZ&quot;&gt; next&lt;/a&gt;? One area little examined is the idea of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.anz.com/edna/dictionary.asp?action=content&amp;content=sovereign_risk&quot;&gt;sovereign risk&lt;/a&gt;. Basically, those with the armies make to rules, and you don&apos;t want to be invested there when they change the rules,. The USA has been the power behind &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theglobalist.com/StoryId.aspx?StoryId=2431&quot;&gt;globalisation&lt;/a&gt; for over half a century, enforcing the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_economy&quot;&gt;rules of the marketplace&lt;/a&gt; we have grown to accept. Some are &lt;a href=&quot;http://yaleglobal.yale.edu/display.article?id=7257&quot;&gt; questioning&lt;/a&gt; whether it can maintain this position. Many countries have used their power to set the law to default on external debt, or in some cases, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=9937606&quot;&gt;nationalise&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalization_of_oil_supplies&quot;&gt;external&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.larouchepac.com/news/2008/10/23/city-london-freaks-out-over-argentinas-nationalization-priva.html&quot;&gt;investments&lt;/a&gt;. It is the last resort when your economy is in trouble, and a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/10/13/business/nationalize.php&quot;&gt;growing&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gata.org/node/6096&quot;&gt;number&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.foreclosurelistings.com/blog/foreclosed-house/foreclosures-compel-usa-to-move-towards-nationalization.htm&quot;&gt;of&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dailyreckoning.com.au/debt-default-us-government/2008/10/21/&quot;&gt;people&lt;/a&gt; see it on the cards for the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article7103.html&quot;&gt;USA&lt;/a&gt; (admittedly, with not much credibility). But &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&amp;source=web&amp;ct=res&amp;cd=1&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.usatoday.com%2Fmoney%2Fworld%2F2008-04-01-iceland-banks_N.htm&amp;ei=y-wOSY24OYmGsQOJ-Z2cDw&amp;usg=AFQjCNFUjZtaWrguKzYXD2pbJ-5GEIX66A&amp;sig2=JpFdA8q_tIfvSkcDPwQrtQ&quot;&gt;who&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://seekingalpha.com/article/101359-sovereign-default-outlook-causes-panic-in-cds-market&quot;&gt;will be&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2008\11\02\story_2-11-2008_pg3_3&quot;&gt; next&lt;/a&gt;? </description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 04:37:30 -0800</pubDate>
		<category>debt</category>
		<category>economy</category>
		<category>finance</category>
		<category>money</category>
		<category>recession</category>
		<category>sovereign</category>
		<dc:creator>bystander</dc:creator>
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		<title>Cui bono?</title>
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		<description> On Tuesday, &lt;a href=&quot;http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/070918/wall_street.html?.v=73&quot;&gt;the Federal Reserve cut interest rates by 0.5%&lt;/a&gt;.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOVXh4xM-Ww&amp;mode=related&amp;search=&quot;&gt; Wall Street aggressively demanded the cut&lt;/a&gt; to stop the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Subprime_mortgage_financial_crisis&quot;&gt;sub-prime mortgage contagion&lt;/a&gt; from triggering a credit crisis among large US and foreign investment banks and the collapse of &lt;a href=&quot;http://seekingalpha.com/article/38298-bear-stearns-hedge-fund-facing-mortgage-losses-wsj&quot;&gt;their over-leveraged hedge funds&lt;/a&gt;, which ultimately threatened to drag the US economy into recession.  The market rallied this week in response to the Fed&apos;s move. But there is no free lunch. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/ab60fe16-655f-11dc-bf89-0000779fd2ac.html&quot;&gt;Oil rallied also, to an all-time high of $81/bbl&lt;/a&gt;. The &lt;a href=&quot;http://bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/2007/09/fears-of-dollar.html&quot;&gt;rate cut shattered the dollar&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/e331d7f2-6758-11dc-9443-0000779fd2ac.html&quot;&gt;sending it to new lows against the Euro and to parity with the Canadian dollar&lt;/a&gt;.  The falling dollar puts pressure on China, whose dollar-pegged currency has attracted the ire of many US politicians, causing &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml;jsessionid=DGDOEWK3GRTVZQFIQMFCFFOAVCBQYIV0?xml=/money/2007/08/07/bcnchina107a.xml&quot;&gt; China to threaten the US with the &quot;nuclear option&quot; of diversifying its foreign currency reserves away from the dollar&lt;/a&gt;.  Meanwhile, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2007/09/19/bcnsaudi119.xml&quot;&gt;Saudi Arabia refuses to cut its interest rates in lockstep with the US for the first time &lt;i&gt;ever&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, signaling that it may break its long standing dollar peg as well. In other words,  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17424874/&quot;&gt;foreign investors who currently own roughly 50% of the publicly-owned portion of the US national debt&lt;/a&gt; may flee the US bond markets. Result? &lt;a href=&quot;http://money.cnn.com/2007/09/13/news/economy/recession_risks/index.htm&quot;&gt;We&apos;ll probably slide into recession anyway&lt;/a&gt;.

But there is a silver lining: &lt;a href=&quot;http://biz.yahoo.com/ibd/070918/general.html&quot;&gt;it turns out that many of those large investment banks&lt;/a&gt; and hedge funds were &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/goldman-sachs-profit-rises-79/story.aspx?guid=%7B20E9B89D%2DE6BF%2D4BBA%2D82FC%2DAE6316B32BC4%7D&amp;siteid=yhoof&quot;&gt;making far more money than anyone thought&lt;/a&gt; all along. 

Confused?  Some background:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/currencycarrytrade.asp&quot;&gt;
Currency carry trade - how currencies are related to one another&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exchange_rate&quot;&gt;How interest rates, inflation, exchange rates, and trade deficits are interrelated&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.franklintempleton.com/retail/jsp_cm/sales_tools/feature_prog/tax_free/pub/int_rate_article.jsp&quot;&gt;How interest rates and bonds are related&lt;/a&gt;

Peviously &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.metafilter.com/64260/Minsky-Meltdown-ahead&quot;&gt;1&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.metafilter.com/62846/A-world-of-Casey-Serins&quot;&gt;2&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.metafilter.com/59185/Subprime-blues&quot;&gt;3&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.metafilter.com/63638/Damnit-Jim-Im-a-doctor-not-a-stock-broker&quot;&gt;4&lt;/a&gt; </description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 09:41:30 -0800</pubDate>
		<category>bonds</category>
		<category>currency</category>
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		<dc:creator>Pastabagel</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://www.iht.com/articles/9606.html"&gt;Is the US really entering a recession?&lt;/a&gt; Even with recent layoffs, the last time unemployement was this low before 1999 was 1970. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.iht.com/articles/8541.html&quot;&gt;And maybe a recession is not such a bad idea&lt;/a&gt;, what with spending outmaching saving in recent years. [more inside]  </description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Feb 2001 10:10:46 -0800</pubDate>
		<category>economics</category>
		<category>economy</category>
		<category>money</category>
		<category>recession</category>
		<category>US</category>
		<category>USA</category>
		<dc:creator>croutonsupafreak</dc:creator>
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