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		<title>UK and USA might lose AAA rating</title>
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		<description> Standard &amp;amp; Poor&#8217;s changed the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/recession/5360783/Britains-prized-AAA-rating-under-threat-as-SandP-issues-stark-warning.html&quot;&gt;UK&apos;s credit outlook from stable to negative&lt;/a&gt; a few days ago, and warned that there is a chance the UK could lose its AAA rating. Meanwhile, Moodys, another of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.investopedia.com/articles/03/102203.asp&quot;&gt;big 3&lt;/a&gt; rating agencies, has warned that &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/5534bd04-3f27-11de-ae4f-00144feabdc0.html?nclick_check=1&quot;&gt;the US might also eventually lose its AAA rating&lt;/a&gt;. The UK announcement &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.marketwatch.com/story/sp-cuts-uk-outlook-to-negative-from-stable&quot;&gt; caused sterling to drop by 1% and the FTSE by 2%&lt;/a&gt;. However, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/02/rating-agencies-moodys-sp-and-fitch-revised-version/&quot;&gt;many&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&amp;sid=ajs7BqG4_X8I&quot;&gt;blame&lt;/a&gt; the same rating agencies for their part in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&amp;sid=ax3vfya_Vtdo&quot;&gt;triggering&lt;/a&gt; the subprime crisis. The irony of this is not lost on the &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.wsj.com/marketbeat/2009/05/21/with-uk-aaa-rating-in-jeopardy-is-us-next/&quot;&gt;Wall Street Journal&lt;/a&gt;, who note that &quot;After all, those governments are jacking up spending, in part, to bail out the financial firms who gobbled up those &apos;AAA&apos; asset backed securities duly blessed by the credit ratings firms.&quot; How did the CDO&apos;s get AAA rated in the first place? There are reports that it &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/0c82561a-2697-11dd-9c95-000077b07658.html?nclick_check=1&quot;&gt;may have been a bug in the rating software&lt;/a&gt;, although Greenspan says its because the ratings were &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&amp;articleId=9117961&quot;&gt;based on only the last two decades&lt;/a&gt;, giving a too-optimistic outlook. This &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.voxeu.org/index.php?q=node/3352&quot;&gt;reseach paper&lt;/a&gt; by Vasiliki Skreta and Laura Veldkamp looks through some of the options.

Incidentally, all the ratings given by the rating agencies come with a disclaimer: S&amp;amp;P says in small print: &quot;Any user of the information contained herein should not rely on any credit rating or other opinion contained herein in making any investment decision&quot;. Joseph Mason, a former economist at the US Treasury Department, points out that &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&amp;sid=ajs7BqG4_X8I&quot;&gt;&quot;The ratings giveth and the disclaimer takes it away.&quot;&lt;/a&gt; </description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 15:11:41 -0800</pubDate>
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		<dc:creator>memebake</dc:creator>
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		<title>&quot;Because the math is really complicated people assume it must be right.&quot;</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/79844/Because%2Dthe%2Dmath%2Dis%2Dreally%2Dcomplicated%2Dpeople%2Dassume%2Dit%2Dmust%2Dbe%2Dright</link>
		<description> &lt;em&gt;They are known as &#8220;quants&#8221; because they do quantitative finance. Seduced by a vision of mathematical elegance underlying some of the messiest of human activities, they apply skills they once hoped to use to untangle string theory or the nervous system to making money.&lt;/em&gt; &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/10/science/10quant.html&quot;&gt;They Tried to Outsmart Wall Street&lt;/a&gt;.&quot; [spoiler inside] They failed. </description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 12:36:14 -0800</pubDate>
		<category>analysis</category>
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		<dc:creator>dersins</dc:creator>
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		<title>Wall Street on the Tundra</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/79701/Wall%2DStreet%2Don%2Dthe%2DTundra</link>
		<description> &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2009/04/iceland200904&quot;&gt;&quot;Iceland is no longer a country. It is a hedge fund.&quot;&lt;/a&gt; Also: exploding Range Rovers and the environmental impacts on elves. (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.metafilter.com/78519/&quot;&gt;Pre&lt;/a&gt;-&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.metafilter.com/76562/&quot;&gt;vi&lt;/a&gt;-&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.metafilter.com/75522/&quot;&gt;ous&lt;/a&gt;-&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.metafilter.com/75473/&quot;&gt;ly&lt;/a&gt;.)  </description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 18:41:55 -0800</pubDate>
		<category>economy</category>
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		<category>iceland</category>
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		<dc:creator>shii</dc:creator>
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		<title>Religious takes on the global financial crisis</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/78273/Religious%2Dtakes%2Don%2Dthe%2Dglobal%2Dfinancial%2Dcrisis</link>
		<description>&lt;a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&amp;amp;sid=aa4M0z.56H_c&amp;amp;refer=home"&gt;The Dalai Lama blames the financial crisis on a decline in spirituality.&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.hindu.com/2008/10/31/stories/2008103154520600.htm&quot;&gt;Hindus blame it on greed.&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://la.indymedia.org/news/2008/12/222801.php&quot;&gt;Saudi Grand Mufti, Abdul Aziz al-Sheikh, blames the crisis on ignoring God&apos;s rules. &lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1849231,00.html&quot;&gt;Jewish scholars say we could have avoided a crisis by following Talmudic traditions. &lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.canada.com/topics/news/world/story.html?id=1131908&quot;&gt;Pope Benedict sees the global financial system as &quot;self-centred, short-sighted and lacking in concern for the destitute.&quot;&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://theologica.blogspot.com/2008/09/thinking-biblically-about-banking.html&quot;&gt;Is it right to pray for the economy?&lt;/a&gt; (a Christian perspective). A &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ucanews.com/2009/01/05/catholic-parliamentarian-convenes-interreligious-dialogue-on-poverty/&quot;&gt;Malaysian conference&lt;/a&gt; brings together Buddhists, Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Taoists, and Sikhs to discuss the crisis.  </description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 15:04:30 -0800</pubDate>
		<category>buddhism</category>
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		<dc:creator>desjardins</dc:creator>
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		<title>AAA?</title>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/12/01/081201fa_fact_cassidy"&gt;Anatomy of a Meltdown&lt;/a&gt; - Ben Bernanke and the financial crisis &lt;small&gt;&lt;small&gt;(&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/12/01/081201fa_fact_cassidy?currentPage=all&quot;&gt;in one page&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/small&gt;  </description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 06:47:35 -0800</pubDate>
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		<dc:creator>Gyan</dc:creator>
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		<title>sovereign risk and the current economy</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/76207/sovereign%2Drisk%2Dand%2Dthe%2Dcurrent%2Deconomy</link>
		<description> Another economic post. With the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&amp;sid=aZcy_2pZwjTs&amp;refer=home&quot;&gt;debt&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://money.cnn.com/2008/11/03/markets/stockswatch/&quot;&gt;equity&lt;/a&gt; markets in a comparative calm, a lot of people are asking &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gosanangelo.com/news/2008/nov/01/opinion-next-president-faces-budget-woes/&quot;&gt;what&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.startribune.com/lifestyle/yourmoney/33619014.html?elr=KArksLckD8EQDUoaEyqyP4O:DW3ckUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aU7EaDiaMDCiUZ&quot;&gt; next&lt;/a&gt;? One area little examined is the idea of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.anz.com/edna/dictionary.asp?action=content&amp;content=sovereign_risk&quot;&gt;sovereign risk&lt;/a&gt;. Basically, those with the armies make to rules, and you don&apos;t want to be invested there when they change the rules,. The USA has been the power behind &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theglobalist.com/StoryId.aspx?StoryId=2431&quot;&gt;globalisation&lt;/a&gt; for over half a century, enforcing the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_economy&quot;&gt;rules of the marketplace&lt;/a&gt; we have grown to accept. Some are &lt;a href=&quot;http://yaleglobal.yale.edu/display.article?id=7257&quot;&gt; questioning&lt;/a&gt; whether it can maintain this position. Many countries have used their power to set the law to default on external debt, or in some cases, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=9937606&quot;&gt;nationalise&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalization_of_oil_supplies&quot;&gt;external&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.larouchepac.com/news/2008/10/23/city-london-freaks-out-over-argentinas-nationalization-priva.html&quot;&gt;investments&lt;/a&gt;. It is the last resort when your economy is in trouble, and a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/10/13/business/nationalize.php&quot;&gt;growing&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gata.org/node/6096&quot;&gt;number&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.foreclosurelistings.com/blog/foreclosed-house/foreclosures-compel-usa-to-move-towards-nationalization.htm&quot;&gt;of&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dailyreckoning.com.au/debt-default-us-government/2008/10/21/&quot;&gt;people&lt;/a&gt; see it on the cards for the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article7103.html&quot;&gt;USA&lt;/a&gt; (admittedly, with not much credibility). But &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&amp;source=web&amp;ct=res&amp;cd=1&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.usatoday.com%2Fmoney%2Fworld%2F2008-04-01-iceland-banks_N.htm&amp;ei=y-wOSY24OYmGsQOJ-Z2cDw&amp;usg=AFQjCNFUjZtaWrguKzYXD2pbJ-5GEIX66A&amp;sig2=JpFdA8q_tIfvSkcDPwQrtQ&quot;&gt;who&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://seekingalpha.com/article/101359-sovereign-default-outlook-causes-panic-in-cds-market&quot;&gt;will be&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2008\11\02\story_2-11-2008_pg3_3&quot;&gt; next&lt;/a&gt;? </description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 04:37:30 -0800</pubDate>
		<category>debt</category>
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		<dc:creator>bystander</dc:creator>
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		<title>Cui bono?</title>
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		<description> On Tuesday, &lt;a href=&quot;http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/070918/wall_street.html?.v=73&quot;&gt;the Federal Reserve cut interest rates by 0.5%&lt;/a&gt;.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOVXh4xM-Ww&amp;mode=related&amp;search=&quot;&gt; Wall Street aggressively demanded the cut&lt;/a&gt; to stop the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Subprime_mortgage_financial_crisis&quot;&gt;sub-prime mortgage contagion&lt;/a&gt; from triggering a credit crisis among large US and foreign investment banks and the collapse of &lt;a href=&quot;http://seekingalpha.com/article/38298-bear-stearns-hedge-fund-facing-mortgage-losses-wsj&quot;&gt;their over-leveraged hedge funds&lt;/a&gt;, which ultimately threatened to drag the US economy into recession.  The market rallied this week in response to the Fed&apos;s move. But there is no free lunch. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/ab60fe16-655f-11dc-bf89-0000779fd2ac.html&quot;&gt;Oil rallied also, to an all-time high of $81/bbl&lt;/a&gt;. The &lt;a href=&quot;http://bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/2007/09/fears-of-dollar.html&quot;&gt;rate cut shattered the dollar&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/e331d7f2-6758-11dc-9443-0000779fd2ac.html&quot;&gt;sending it to new lows against the Euro and to parity with the Canadian dollar&lt;/a&gt;.  The falling dollar puts pressure on China, whose dollar-pegged currency has attracted the ire of many US politicians, causing &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml;jsessionid=DGDOEWK3GRTVZQFIQMFCFFOAVCBQYIV0?xml=/money/2007/08/07/bcnchina107a.xml&quot;&gt; China to threaten the US with the &quot;nuclear option&quot; of diversifying its foreign currency reserves away from the dollar&lt;/a&gt;.  Meanwhile, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2007/09/19/bcnsaudi119.xml&quot;&gt;Saudi Arabia refuses to cut its interest rates in lockstep with the US for the first time &lt;i&gt;ever&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, signaling that it may break its long standing dollar peg as well. In other words,  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17424874/&quot;&gt;foreign investors who currently own roughly 50% of the publicly-owned portion of the US national debt&lt;/a&gt; may flee the US bond markets. Result? &lt;a href=&quot;http://money.cnn.com/2007/09/13/news/economy/recession_risks/index.htm&quot;&gt;We&apos;ll probably slide into recession anyway&lt;/a&gt;.

But there is a silver lining: &lt;a href=&quot;http://biz.yahoo.com/ibd/070918/general.html&quot;&gt;it turns out that many of those large investment banks&lt;/a&gt; and hedge funds were &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/goldman-sachs-profit-rises-79/story.aspx?guid=%7B20E9B89D%2DE6BF%2D4BBA%2D82FC%2DAE6316B32BC4%7D&amp;siteid=yhoof&quot;&gt;making far more money than anyone thought&lt;/a&gt; all along. 

Confused?  Some background:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/currencycarrytrade.asp&quot;&gt;
Currency carry trade - how currencies are related to one another&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exchange_rate&quot;&gt;How interest rates, inflation, exchange rates, and trade deficits are interrelated&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.franklintempleton.com/retail/jsp_cm/sales_tools/feature_prog/tax_free/pub/int_rate_article.jsp&quot;&gt;How interest rates and bonds are related&lt;/a&gt;

Peviously &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.metafilter.com/64260/Minsky-Meltdown-ahead&quot;&gt;1&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.metafilter.com/62846/A-world-of-Casey-Serins&quot;&gt;2&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.metafilter.com/59185/Subprime-blues&quot;&gt;3&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.metafilter.com/63638/Damnit-Jim-Im-a-doctor-not-a-stock-broker&quot;&gt;4&lt;/a&gt; </description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 09:41:30 -0800</pubDate>
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		<dc:creator>Pastabagel</dc:creator>
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