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	<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 02:57:36 -0800</pubDate> <lastBuildDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 02:57:36 -0800</lastBuildDate>

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		<title>High School Fascism Redux</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/77777/High%2DSchool%2DFascism%2DRedux</link>
		<description> In 1981, ABC aired a program in daytime that, while pre-dating the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afterschool_special&quot;&gt;After School Special&lt;/a&gt; format, was a moralist tale aimed at children. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thewave.tk/&quot;&gt;&quot;The Wave&quot;&lt;/a&gt; was based on the classroom experiments of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ronjoneswriter.com/&quot;&gt;Ron Jones&lt;/a&gt;, which at the time went largely undocumented and were primarily anecdotal. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ronjoneswriter.com/wave.html&quot;&gt;The Third Wave&lt;/a&gt; as he called it, fooled the children of his class into creating a fascististic movement within the school complete with symbolism and salutes. Like &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Day_After&quot;&gt;&quot;The Day After&quot;&lt;/a&gt; before it &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.metafilter.com/77417/Nuclear-war-Steve-Guttenberg-and-other-horrors&quot;&gt;[previously]&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4689717947890475769&amp;ei=uFFXSbXBAZrUqAP2tO2fCw&amp;q=the+wave&quot;&gt;The Wave&lt;/a&gt; [the whole 45 minute feature hosted at Google Video] became a piece of oft-compulsory viewing for many high school students. &lt;a href=&quot;http://libcom.org/history/the-third-wave-1967-account-ron-jones&quot;&gt;Ron Jones&lt;/a&gt; became infamous for his experiment, often coming under fire for playing with the minds of teenagers in such potentially harmful ways.  And to many, it was just as disturbing in different ways. Proving how easy it is to manipulate young people into herd mentality and fascist thinking, the movie and experiment has proven timeless. A &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0440993717/metafilter-20/ref=nosim/&quot;&gt;book&lt;/a&gt; based on the special was written, stage productions have been mounted, various other schools have attempted to re-create the experiment with varying degrees of success. Recently, a German production based on Jones&apos; writings and experiment, &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://european-films.net/content/view/940/107/&quot;&gt;Die Welle&lt;/a&gt;&quot; was released in March of this year and follows much the same plot. Though with the added intrigue of them being German students who don&apos;t believe that anyone could fall into such thinking in this day and age, they quickly fall into line with Die Welle and their salutes and marches. To this day it remains a frightening study in the potential of mass human cruelty. </description>
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		<title>It couldn&apos;t happen here, you say?...</title>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/3145/wave.html"&gt;As one, the students shouted, &quot;Strength through discipline!&quot;&lt;/a&gt; - &quot;The Third Wave&quot;,  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.paweekly.com/paw/Centennial/1994_Apr_15.1960SC.html&quot;&gt;A Dangerous Experiment&lt;/a&gt;. More disturbing even than the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.new-life.net/milgram.htm&quot;&gt;&quot;Milgram Experiment&quot;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;small&gt;: &quot;When Ron Jones started teaching at Cubberley High School in the fall of 1968, it was considered the most innovative of Palo Alto&apos;s high schools. ....His methods were experimental and his goal was to bring social studies to life.....Jones turned his class into an efficient youth organization, which he called the Third Wave. Some students were informers, and some were told they couldn&apos;t go certain places on campus. He insisted on rigid posture and that questions be answered formally and quickly.....&quot;It was strange how quickly the students took to a uniform code of behavior. I began to wonder just how far they cold be pushed,&quot; Jones wrote....But soon the experiment began spinning out of control.... five days into the experiment, Jones announced, &lt;b&gt;&quot;We can bring (the nation) a new sense of order, community, pride, and action. Everything rests on you and your willingness to take a stand.&quot;&lt;/b&gt; As one, the students shouted, &quot;Strength through discipline!&quot; &quot;. &lt;/small&gt; Ron Jones wrote about it in &lt;a href=&quot;http://216.239.33.100/search?q=cache:Brs1Rv5PLuQC:solomonsrefuge.com/civil_liberties_911.htm+No+substitute+for+madness&amp;hl=en&amp;ie=UTF-8&quot;&gt;No substitute for Madness&lt;/a&gt;, which is out of print in English but required reading in German public schools. As Umberto Eco notes in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.themodernword.com/eco/eco_blackshirt.html&quot;&gt;&quot;Eternal Fascism&quot;&lt;/a&gt;, this is a timeless tale of human nature.  </description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2003 08:28:57 -0800</pubDate>
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