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	<title>MetaFilter posts tagged with torture and folly</title>
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		<title>ICRC Report on the Treatment of Fourteen &quot;High Value Detainees&quot; in CIA Custody</title>
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		<description> From the International Committee of the Red Cross &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nybooks.com/icrc-report.pdf&quot; title=&quot;The allegations of ill-treatment of the detainees indicate that, in many cases, the ill-treatment to which they were subjected while held in the CIA program, either singly or in combination, constituted torture. In addition, many other elements of the ill-treatment, either singly or in combination, constituted cruel and inhuman or degrading treatment.&quot;&gt;ICRC Report on the Treatment of Fourteen &quot;High Value Detainees&quot; in CIA Custody&lt;/a&gt; - This is the report in its entirety. [pdf]
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From Mark Danner: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nybooks.com/articles/22530&quot; title=&quot;I woke up, naked, strapped to a bed, in a very white room. The room measured approximately 4m x 4m [13 feet by 13 feet]. The room had three solid walls, with the fourth wall consisting of metal bars separating it from a larger room. I am not sure how long I remained in the bed....&quot;&gt;US Torture: Voices from the Black Sites&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nybooks.com/articles/22614&quot; title=&quot;...For even as the practice of torture by Americans has withered and died, its potency as a political issue has grown. The issue could not be more important, for it cuts to the basic question of who we are as Americans, and whether our laws and ideals truly guide us in our actions or serve, instead, as a kind of national decoration to be discarded in times of danger. The only way... is to take a hard look at the true &apos;&apos;empirical evidence of the last five years, hard years,&apos;&apos; and speak out, clearly and credibly, about what that story really tells.&quot;&gt;The Red Cross Torture Report: What It Means&lt;/a&gt; &lt;blockquote&gt;...It is the most damning and credible indictment of the American government to appear in years - more damning because it was prepared in the usual secrecy and not intended as a public document; more damning because it comes not from Jane Mayer or Mark Danner or Dana Priest or this blog, but from the most credible and respected human rights watchdog in the world: the International Committee for the Red Cross. It is broad, meticulous evidence of pre-meditated, illegal, and immoral war crimes that were then subject to cover-up and lies at the highest levels. It makes Nixon&apos;s crimes look petty. You no longer have any excuse to look away or move on. Either America deals with this or it does not. It is a test of character and integrity for the country and for the political elite. It is a test for the new president. &lt;blockquote&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/04/the-red-cross-torture-report.html&quot;&gt;Andrew Sullivan&lt;/a&gt;, among many others...&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt; </description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 10:32:36 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>Medical Ethics and the Interrogation of Guantanamo 063</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/60348/Medical%2DEthics%2Dand%2Dthe%2DInterrogation%2Dof%2DGuantanamo%2D063</link>
		<description> &lt;blockquote&gt;Clinicians regularly visited the interrogation cell to assess and treat the prisoner. Medics and a female &quot;medical representative&quot; checked vital signs several times per day; they assessed for dehydration and suggested enemas for constipation or intravenous fluids for dehydration. The prisoner&#8217;s hands and feet became swollen as he was restrained in a chair. These extremities were inspected and wrapped by medics and a physician. One entry describes a physician checking &quot;for abrasions from sitting in the metal chair for long periods of time. The doctor said everything was good.&quot;...&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bioethics.net/journal/j_articles.php?aid=1140&quot; title=&quot;A complaint by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) led to an Army investigation of an interrogation at the United States prison at Guantanamo Bay. The declassified Army investigation and the corresponding interrogation log show clinical supervision, monitoring and treatment during an interrogation that employed dogs, prolonged sleep deprivation, humiliation, restraint, hypothermia and compulsory intravenous infusions. The interrogation and the involvement of a psychologist, physician and medics violate international and medical norms for the treatment of prisoners&quot;&gt;Medical Ethics and the Interrogation of Guantanamo 063&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;See also &lt;a href=&quot;http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/paperchase/2007/04/us-now-detaining-18000-prisoners-in.php&quot; title=&quot;The United States currently holds some 18,000 detainees in two US-run Iraqi detention facilities, Camp Bucca and Camp Cropper, the Washington Post reported Sunday, citing US military sources.&quot;&gt;US now detaining 18,000 prisoners in Iraq&lt;/a&gt;  </description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 11:56:11 -0800</pubDate>
		<category>dishonor</category>
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		<category>GenevaConvention</category>
		<category>Guantanamo</category>
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		<title>Amnesty International - Cruel and Inhuman: Conditions of isolation for detainees at Guant&amp;#0225;namo Bay</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/60107/Amnesty%2DInternational%2DCruel%2Dand%2DInhuman%2DConditions%2Dof%2Disolation%2Dfor%2Ddetainees%2Dat%2DGuant%E1namo%2DBay</link>
		<description> &lt;blockquote&gt;Detainees are confined for 22 hours a day to individual, enclosed, steel cells where they are almost completely cut off from human contact. The cells have no windows to the outside or access to natural light or fresh air. No activities are provided, and detainees are subjected to 24 hour lighting and constant observation by guards through the narrow windows in the cell doors. They exercise alone in a high-walled yard where little sunlight filters through; detainees are often only offered exercise at night and may not see daylight for days at a time... It appears that around 80 per cent of the approximately 385 men currently held at Guant&amp;#0225;namo are in isolation &#8211; a reversal of earlier moves to ease conditions and allow more socialising among detainees. &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://web.amnesty.org/library/print/ENGAMR510512007&quot; title=&quot;&apos;...Some [inmates] are dangerously close to full-blown mental and physical breakdown.&apos; UK director Kate Allen. Amnesty International&quot;&gt;Cruel and Inhuman: Conditions of isolation for detainees at Guant&amp;#0225;namo Bay &lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.miamiherald.com/416/v-print/story/64854.html&quot; title=&quot;ICRC President Jakob Kellenberger&apos;s meetings this week &apos;stressed that the detention of persons captured or arrested in connection with the fight against terrorism must take place within an appropriate legal framework,&apos; according to a communiqu&amp;#0233; issued on Thursday from ICRC headquarters in Geneva. &apos;In particular, he insisted on the need for more robust procedural safeguards,&apos; it added, &apos;especially in Guant&amp;#0225;namo Bay and in Bagram, Afghanistan.&apos;&quot;&gt;Red Cross chief raises Guant&amp;#0225;namo issue in D.C.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.iht.com/bin/print.php?id=5172225&quot; title=&quot;PRESIDENT (of the tribunal): Please describe the methods that were used. DETAINEE: (CENSORED) There were doing so many things. What else did they did? (CENSORED) After that another method of torture began. (CENSORED) They used to ask me questions and the investigator after that used to laugh. And, I used to answer the answer that I knew. And if I didn&apos;t replay what I heard, he used to (CENSORED)...&quot;&gt;Guant&amp;#0225;namo follies &lt;/a&gt;  </description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 08:32:27 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>US: Secret CIA Prisoners Still Missing - Washington Should Reveal Fate of People &#8216;Disappeared&#8217; by US</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/58998/US%2DSecret%2DCIA%2DPrisoners%2DStill%2DMissing%2DWashington%2DShould%2DReveal%2DFate%2Dof%2DPeople%2D%3FDisappeared%3F%2Dby%2DUS</link>
		<description> From Human Rights Watch:&lt;blockquote&gt;...He had spent a year and a half in captivity without even a glimpse of natural light.  One day the Americans opened up a skylight in his building. &#8220;They brought me a chair and let me sit under the skylight,&#8221; he remembered.  &#8220;I was so happy.  I joked with them, pretending to call outside, &#8216;Help! Someone help me! Let me out!&#8217;&#8221; ...One photo that surprised Jabour was of a boy named Talha, who appeared to be nine or ten years old.   His father was said to be Hamza al-Jofi, a militant leader in Waziristan. When Jabour saw the photo of Talha, who was apparently in custody, he expressed amazement that the United States was holding someone so young.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://hrw.org/reports/2007/us0207/2.htm#_Toc159752296&quot; title=&quot;...Jabour received his clothes back piece by piece over time. First, after a month and a half at the prison, he was given a pair of pants. Then, after about three-and-a-half months, he was given a tee-shirt. Finally, after about eight months, he was given a pair of shoes.&quot;&gt;The Case of Marwan Jabour&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://hrw.org/english/docs/2007/02/26/usint15408_txt.htm&quot; title=&quot;The US government should account for all the missing detainees once held by the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), Human Rights Watch said in a report released today.&quot;&gt;US: Secret CIA Prisoners Still Missing &lt;/a&gt;  </description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 08:28:43 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>Babbling Bobster Beatnik Poetry</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/55862/Babbling%2DBobster%2DBeatnik%2DPoetry</link>
		<description> &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnniqpqySrs&quot; title=&quot;Street poetry performance 1966 - Bob Dylan Street poetry performance 1966 - Bob Dylan in London makes a Chaplinesque exit... from Seattle EMP exhibit. ...&quot;&gt;His fog, his amphetamines and his pearls&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;
Lofi shot off the monitor at the recent EMP exhibit, the entire footage of an &lt;em&gt;Eat The Document&lt;/em&gt; outtake recently edited by Martin Scorcese for &lt;em&gt;No Direction Home&lt;/em&gt;. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;small&gt;I don&apos;t entirely get the &lt;em&gt;Chaplinesque&lt;/em&gt;--To paraphrase crunchland, Hey, Skeezix--it&apos;s &lt;em&gt;a talkie&lt;/em&gt;...&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/em&gt;  </description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:36:08 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>Torture &apos;R US[A]</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/54977/Torture%2DR%2DUSA</link>
		<description> &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article1696153.ece&quot; title=&quot;The republic of fear is born again. The state of terror now gripping Iraq is as bad as it was under Saddam Hussein. Torture in the country may even be worse than it was during his rule, the United Nation&apos;s special investigator on torture said yesterday... The Iraqi state and much of society have been criminalised. Gangs of gunmen are often described on state television as &apos;wearing police uniforms&apos; . One senior Iraqi minister laughed as he told The Independent: &apos; Of course they wear police uniforms. They are real policemen.&apos;&quot;&gt;New terror that stalks Iraq&apos;s republic of fear &lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/21/world/middleeast/21iraq.html?pagewanted=print&quot; title=&quot;A United Nations report released Wednesday says that 5,106 people in Baghdad died violent deaths during July and August, a number far higher than reports that have relied on figures from the city&#8217;s morgue. Across the country, the report found, 3,590 civilians were killed in July--the highest monthly total on record--and 3,009 more were killed in August. There were 4,309 Iraqi civilians reported wounded in August, a 14 percent increase from July... &quot;&gt;U.N. Finds Baghdad Toll Far Higher Than Cited &lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5368360.stm&quot; title=&quot;&apos;What most people tell you is that the situation as far as torture is concerned now in Iraq is totally out of hand,&apos; the Austrian law professor said. &apos;The situation is so bad many people say it is worse than it has been in the times of Saddam Hussein,&apos; he added. The UN report says detainees&apos; bodies often show signs of beating using electrical cables, wounds in heads and genitals, broken legs and hands, electric and cigarette burns. Bodies found at the Baghdad mortuary &apos;often bear signs of severe torture including acid-induced injuries and burns caused by chemical substances&apos;. Many bodies have missing skin, broken bones, back, hands and legs, missing eyes, missing teeth and wounds caused by power drills or nails, the UN report says. &quot;&gt;Iraq torture &apos;worse after Saddam&apos; &lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tomdispatch.com/indexprint.mhtml?pid=123690&quot; title=&quot;Whatever arguments may be going on in Washington over which &apos;tools&apos; or &apos;interrogation techniques&apos; the CIA is to be allowed to use or over exactly how the 14 al-Qaeda detainees just transferred to Guantanamo will be tried, this set of facts-on-the-ground adds up to our own global Bermuda Triangle of Injustice into which untold numbers of human beings can simply disappear.&quot;&gt;The Facts on the Ground: Mini-Gulags, Hired Guns, Lobbyists, and a Reality Built on Fear&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/HI22Ak01.html&quot; title=&quot;Three and a half years after the occupation began, the US military is no longer the real power in Iraq. As the chief of intelligence for the US Marine Corps revealed in a recent report, US troops have been unable to shake the hold that Sunni insurgents have on the vast western province of al-Anbar. But the main threat to the occupation comes not from the Sunni insurgents but from the militant Iraqi Shi&apos;ite forces aligned with Iran, led by Muqtada al-Sadr&apos;s Mehdi Army. The armed Shi&apos;ite militias are now powerful enough to make it impossible for the US occupation to continue.&quot;&gt;U.S. troops in Iraq are Tehran&apos;s &apos;hostages&apos;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-anti22sep22,1,583305,print.story&quot; title=&quot;&apos;The outpouring of anti-American rhetoric at the United Nations this week is demonstrating how anger at the United States is uniting the developing world in a way not seen since the 1980s, U.S. officials and analysts say.&apos; Well, duh.&quot;&gt;Anti-Americanism Is A Glue&lt;/a&gt;  </description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Sep 2006 11:02:36 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>Who Are The Prisoners at Guant&amp;#0225;namo, The Prisoners Speak &amp; Calling Cruelty What It Is</title>
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		<description> &lt;blockquote&gt;After two months of sifting the information, Hegland had her answer. &apos;The data was really clear,&apos; she says. &apos;It was mind-boggling.&apos; It showed that most of the detainees hadn&#8217;t been caught &apos;on the battlefield&apos; but rather mostly in Pakistan; fewer than half were accused of fighting against the U.S., and there was scant evidence to confirm that they were even combatants. In other words, most of the detainees probably were entirely innocent. Just a few days after Hegland published a three-part series on her findings in early February, a law professor at Seton Hall University... and his son, ...who together have represented Guantanamo detainees, published a study that also used the Defense Department&#8217;s own data... Only 8 percent of detainees at Guantanamo were labeled by the Defense Department as &apos;al Qaeda fighters,&apos; they found, and just 11 percent had been captured &apos;on the battlefield&apos; by coalition forces.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cjr.org/issues/2006/5/Umanskyb.asp?printerfriendly=yes&quot; title=&quot;Before Hegland published her stories, she presented her conclusions to Pentagon officials, who continued to deny that many at Guantanamo could be there by mistake. Like Gutman, Hegland concluded that the officials weren&#8217;t really lying. Instead, they didn&#8217;t know, and didn&#8217;t want to know, the truth. &apos;I don&#8217;t think anybody at DoD had looked at actual data and the patterns,&apos; she says. &apos;They kept asking these guys about 9/11, every single one.&apos; It&#8217;s not only the Department of Defense that evinces a continued lack of interest in the detainees. President Bush has repeatedly said that he&#8217;d like to close Guantanamo but that it&#8217;s not easy since, as he put it in a June 2006 press conference, &apos;These people have been picked up off the battlefield, and they&#8217;re very dangerous.&apos; No reporter present challenged the statement.&quot;&gt;Who are the Prisoners at Gitmo?&lt;/a&gt;  </description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2006 12:44:57 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>Dishonor, Blood and Treasure - By The Numbers</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/51243/Dishonor%2DBlood%2Dand%2DTreasure%2DBy%2DThe%2DNumbers</link>
		<description> &lt;blockquote&gt;Two years after the Abu Ghraib scandal, &lt;a href=&quot;http://hrw.org/reports/2006/ct0406/&quot; title=&quot;Under the doctrine of command responsibility, a long-recognized principle of U.S. domestic and international law, commanders can be held criminally liable as principals for the criminal acts of their subordinates, if they knew or should have known about criminal activity, but did not take steps to prevent it or to punish the perpetrators... Not a single U.S. military officer serving in Iraq, Afghanistan, or Guant&amp;#0225;namo Bay has been criminally charged under the doctrine of command responsibility for detainee abuses committed by his or her subordinates.&quot;&gt;new research&lt;/a&gt; shows that abuse of detainees in U.S. custody in Iraq, Afghanistan, and at Guant&amp;#0225;namo Bay has been widespread, and that the United States has taken only limited steps to investigate and punish implicated personnel. A briefing paper issued today, &apos;&lt;a href=&quot;http://hrw.org/reports/2006/ct0406/1.htm#_Toc133381851&quot; title=&quot;Detainee abuse has been widespread. The DAA Project has documented over 330 cases in which U.S. military and civilian personnel are credibly alleged to have abused or killed detainees. These cases involve more than 600 U.S. personnel and over 460 detainees. Allegations have come from U.S. facilities throughout Afghanistan, Iraq and at Guant&amp;#0225;namo Bay... Only fifty-four military personnel--a fraction of the more than 600 U.S. personnel implicated in detainee abuse cases--are known to have been convicted by court-martial; forty of these individuals have been sentenced to prison time.&quot;&gt;By the Numbers&lt;/a&gt;,&apos; presents findings of the Detainee Abuse and Accountability Project... the first comprehensive accounting of credible allegations of torture and abuse in U.S. custody in Iraq, Afghanistan and Guant&amp;#0225;namo.  The project has collected hundreds of allegations of detainee abuse and torture occurring since late 2001 &#8211; allegations implicating more than 600 U.S. military and civilian personnel and involving more than 460 detainees.  &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://hrw.org/english/docs/2006/04/26/usint13268_txt.htm&quot; title=&quot;The project found that many abuses were never investigated, and investigations that did occur often closed prematurely, or stalled without resolution. In cases where abuses were substantiated and perpetrators identified by military investigators, military commanders often chose to use weak non-judicial disciplinary measures as punishment, instead of pursuing criminal courts-martial. Of the courts-martial that did take place, the majority resulted in either prison sentences of less than a year, or punishments that did not involve jail time (such as discharge or rank-reduction). &quot;&gt;U.S.: More Than 600 Implicated in Detainee Abuse&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;See also &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/26/AR2006042601601_pf.html&quot; title=&quot;The cost of the war in Iraq will reach $320 billion after the expected passage next month of an emergency spending bill currently before the Senate, and that total is likely to more than double before the war ends, the Congressional Research Service estimated this week.&quot;&gt;Projected Iraq War Costs Soar&lt;/a&gt;, See also &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2005/08/19/opinion/20bilmes.html&quot;&gt;The Trillion Dolllar War&lt;/a&gt;.  </description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Apr 2006 12:11:55 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>Sow the wind, reap the hurricane -- Blowback Revisited</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/46390/Sow%2Dthe%2Dwind%2Dreap%2Dthe%2Dhurricane%2DBlowback%2DRevisited</link>
		<description> &lt;small&gt;President Jimmy Carter&#8217;s national security adviser, Zbigniew Brzezinski, once asked of the Soviet defeat in Afghanistan: &#8220;What is most important to the history of 
the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Muslims or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the Cold War?&#8221; Today, the Bush administration is implicitly arguing a similar point: that the establishment of a democratic Iraqi state is a project of overriding importance for the United States and the world, which in due course will eclipse memories of the 
insurgency. But such a viewpoint minimizes the fact that the war in Iraq is already breeding a new generation of terrorists. The lesson of the decade of terror that 
followed the Afghan war was that underestimating 
the importance of blowback has severe consequences. Repeating the mistake in regard to Iraq could lead to 
even deadlier outcomes...&lt;/small&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.peterbergen.com/bergen/services/print.aspx?id=231&quot; title=&quot;Today&#8217;s Insurgents in Iraq Are Tomorrow&#8217;s Terrorists &quot;&gt;Blowback Revisited&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;Rest assured,  torture is a gift which will keep on giving back to us--for years.  </description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2005 23:10:55 -0800</pubDate>
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