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February 18, 2011 11:36 AM Subscribe
One of the girls from the coverart of Smashing Pumpkins' 1993 Siamese Dream is now in the band.
Nicole Fiorentino previously played bass for such groups as Veruca Salt and Spinnerette, and recently joined the Pumpkins. According to Billy Corgan, he had no idea of her history with the band until after she was hired, despite attempting a search for the girls several years ago.
(via kottke)
Nicole Fiorentino previously played bass for such groups as Veruca Salt and Spinnerette, and recently joined the Pumpkins. According to Billy Corgan, he had no idea of her history with the band until after she was hired, despite attempting a search for the girls several years ago.
(via kottke)
WTF TWITTER BACK-BUTTON ARRRGH drool spittle
posted by everichon at 11:41 AM on February 18, 2011 [24 favorites]
posted by everichon at 11:41 AM on February 18, 2011 [24 favorites]
I guess I'm old now.
posted by run"monty at 11:43 AM on February 18, 2011 [7 favorites]
posted by run"monty at 11:43 AM on February 18, 2011 [7 favorites]
Hmm... She would have been 14 when the album was released. Born in ... drumroll please ... 1979
posted by delmoi at 11:44 AM on February 18, 2011 [19 favorites]
posted by delmoi at 11:44 AM on February 18, 2011 [19 favorites]
Not such a big deal; the ability to play bass is not a prerequisite for playing bass in Smashing Pumpkins.
posted by mannequito at 11:45 AM on February 18, 2011 [30 favorites]
posted by mannequito at 11:45 AM on February 18, 2011 [30 favorites]
She is working on the new album Teargarden by Kaleidyscope
It's nice to see that their album-naming chops haven't dulled a bit since Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness.
posted by theodolite at 11:45 AM on February 18, 2011 [7 favorites]
It's nice to see that their album-naming chops haven't dulled a bit since Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness.
posted by theodolite at 11:45 AM on February 18, 2011 [7 favorites]
The other little girl grew up to be Billy Corgan.
posted by 2bucksplus at 11:46 AM on February 18, 2011 [55 favorites]
posted by 2bucksplus at 11:46 AM on February 18, 2011 [55 favorites]
Hmm... She would have been 14 when the album was released. Born in ... drumroll please ... 1979
Being seemingly too old for that cover is less damning than being too young. The picture could have been a few years old before being put onto the album cover. Still, incredible claims...
posted by explosion at 11:48 AM on February 18, 2011
Being seemingly too old for that cover is less damning than being too young. The picture could have been a few years old before being put onto the album cover. Still, incredible claims...
posted by explosion at 11:48 AM on February 18, 2011
Heh, say what you want but any band that includes Chiptune backing is OK by me. (Actually I had no idea they even had a new CD out until this post.)
posted by delmoi at 11:48 AM on February 18, 2011
posted by delmoi at 11:48 AM on February 18, 2011
Not such a big deal; the ability to play bass is not a prerequisite for playing bass in Smashing Pumpkins.
Kazoo playing, on the other hand...
posted by robocop is bleeding at 11:49 AM on February 18, 2011 [1 favorite]
Kazoo playing, on the other hand...
posted by robocop is bleeding at 11:49 AM on February 18, 2011 [1 favorite]
Being seemingly too old for that cover is less damning than being too young. The picture could have been a few years old before being put onto the album cover. Still, incredible claims...
posted by explosion at 2:48 PM on February 18 [+] [!]
I think he was referring to this.
posted by Uther Bentrazor at 11:54 AM on February 18, 2011 [1 favorite]
posted by explosion at 2:48 PM on February 18 [+] [!]
I think he was referring to this.
posted by Uther Bentrazor at 11:54 AM on February 18, 2011 [1 favorite]
Hmm... She would have been 14 when the album was released. Born in ... drumroll please ... 1979
directed by m. night shyamalan
posted by starman at 11:55 AM on February 18, 2011 [5 favorites]
directed by m. night shyamalan
posted by starman at 11:55 AM on February 18, 2011 [5 favorites]
Billy Corgan is still allowed to make something he calls music?!?
posted by DU at 11:58 AM on February 18, 2011
posted by DU at 11:58 AM on February 18, 2011
So at this point the only original member is Billy Corgan?
posted by wcfields at 11:59 AM on February 18, 2011
posted by wcfields at 11:59 AM on February 18, 2011
Billy Corgan's next tweet: FUCK I AM OLD
posted by L'Estrange Fruit at 11:59 AM on February 18, 2011 [2 favorites]
posted by L'Estrange Fruit at 11:59 AM on February 18, 2011 [2 favorites]
I didn't realize that the band was still around, actually.
posted by brundlefly at 11:59 AM on February 18, 2011
posted by brundlefly at 11:59 AM on February 18, 2011
WTF TWITTER BACK-BUTTON ARRRGH drool spittle
I came in here to say the EXACT SAME THING. Whyyyyyy do sites do this?
posted by phunniemee at 12:00 PM on February 18, 2011
I came in here to say the EXACT SAME THING. Whyyyyyy do sites do this?
posted by phunniemee at 12:00 PM on February 18, 2011
I'm really fucking old, aren't I?
posted by Cool Papa Bell at 12:01 PM on February 18, 2011 [1 favorite]
posted by Cool Papa Bell at 12:01 PM on February 18, 2011 [1 favorite]
delmoi: “Heh, say what you want but any band that includes Chiptune backing is OK by me.”
If you like that, you might try pretty much every album released in the past year.
posted by koeselitz at 12:02 PM on February 18, 2011 [2 favorites]
If you like that, you might try pretty much every album released in the past year.
posted by koeselitz at 12:02 PM on February 18, 2011 [2 favorites]
What? What are you haters saying? I can't hear you right now.
*turns it up to 11*
posted by thanotopsis at 12:06 PM on February 18, 2011 [2 favorites]
*turns it up to 11*
posted by thanotopsis at 12:06 PM on February 18, 2011 [2 favorites]
I am skeptical of this.
posted by empath at 12:13 PM on February 18, 2011 [5 favorites]
posted by empath at 12:13 PM on February 18, 2011 [5 favorites]
I think he was referring to this.
Actually no, she was born in 1979 according to Wikipedia, and her MySpace page backs that up (roughly).
posted by me3dia at 12:13 PM on February 18, 2011
Actually no, she was born in 1979 according to Wikipedia, and her MySpace page backs that up (roughly).
posted by me3dia at 12:13 PM on February 18, 2011
Call me when Mariora Goschen takes Ric Grech's place in a Blind Faith reunion.
posted by Slack-a-gogo at 12:16 PM on February 18, 2011 [6 favorites]
posted by Slack-a-gogo at 12:16 PM on February 18, 2011 [6 favorites]
I'm glad there are now two people in the band associated with the Siamese Dream.
Yes, I am counting Corgan as human, not as some kind fleshy intersection of our physical plane with the necessarily larger four-dimensional space required to house his vast ego and the hyperspace-connected self-reflections composing the bulk of his thought processes.
posted by adipocere at 12:16 PM on February 18, 2011 [8 favorites]
Yes, I am counting Corgan as human, not as some kind fleshy intersection of our physical plane with the necessarily larger four-dimensional space required to house his vast ego and the hyperspace-connected self-reflections composing the bulk of his thought processes.
posted by adipocere at 12:16 PM on February 18, 2011 [8 favorites]
Shouldn't this be really easy to prove? She should have at least a few pictures of her young self to compare to the cover. And of course she should be able to name the girl (were they really conjoined twins?).
posted by oddman at 12:17 PM on February 18, 2011 [2 favorites]
posted by oddman at 12:17 PM on February 18, 2011 [2 favorites]
Hey, that's nothing. You know the cover for Herb Alpert & the Tijuana Brass's Whipped Cream and Other Delights?
I was the whipped cream.
posted by Astro Zombie at 12:21 PM on February 18, 2011 [18 favorites]
I was the whipped cream.
posted by Astro Zombie at 12:21 PM on February 18, 2011 [18 favorites]
SENTIENT WHIPPED CREAM!!! *makes a hex*
posted by cavalier at 12:23 PM on February 18, 2011 [2 favorites]
posted by cavalier at 12:23 PM on February 18, 2011 [2 favorites]
jpdoane: "No word yet Blind Mellon's reunion tour with the Bee Girl"
Heather DeLoach. She was in a couple of episodes of ER, a couple of episodes of Reno 9-1-1, and gets articles written about her by nostalgic Gen-Y-ers every couple of years.
posted by Plutor at 12:24 PM on February 18, 2011
Heather DeLoach. She was in a couple of episodes of ER, a couple of episodes of Reno 9-1-1, and gets articles written about her by nostalgic Gen-Y-ers every couple of years.
posted by Plutor at 12:24 PM on February 18, 2011
Yes, I am counting Corgan as human, not as some kind fleshy intersection of our physical plane with the necessarily larger four-dimensional space required to house his vast ego and the hyperspace-connected self-reflections composing the bulk of his thought processes.
His real name is Rizk-Dandaler Billy Rockout Corgan dam Pumpkin and he's a Special Circumstances agent on earth to influence us through the power of his whiny voice. That would explain his otherwordly appearance.
posted by atrazine at 12:25 PM on February 18, 2011 [7 favorites]
His real name is Rizk-Dandaler Billy Rockout Corgan dam Pumpkin and he's a Special Circumstances agent on earth to influence us through the power of his whiny voice. That would explain his otherwordly appearance.
posted by atrazine at 12:25 PM on February 18, 2011 [7 favorites]
Wait, is Corgan saying he didn't know she was the girl form the album cover? It's some revelation to him?
posted by Liquidwolf at 12:28 PM on February 18, 2011
posted by Liquidwolf at 12:28 PM on February 18, 2011
Shouldn't this be really easy to prove? She should have at least a few pictures of her young self to compare to the cover. And of course she should be able to name the girl (were they really conjoined twins?).
I'm not too skeptical about whether it's actually her. I'm more skeptical that Billy didn't know until just now. Wasn't he just asking people for the whereabouts of the Siamese Dream girls just like, a month ago? I think this is some kind of publicity stunt.
posted by naju at 12:29 PM on February 18, 2011 [1 favorite]
I'm not too skeptical about whether it's actually her. I'm more skeptical that Billy didn't know until just now. Wasn't he just asking people for the whereabouts of the Siamese Dream girls just like, a month ago? I think this is some kind of publicity stunt.
posted by naju at 12:29 PM on February 18, 2011 [1 favorite]
"No word yet Blind Mellon's reunion tour with the Bee Girl"
Heather DeLoach. She was in a couple of episodes of ER, a couple of episodes of Reno 9-1-1, and gets articles written about her by nostalgic Gen-Y-ers every couple of years.
IIRC, the original bee-girl (the one on the album cover) was a relative of one of the band members.
posted by Sys Rq at 12:32 PM on February 18, 2011
Heather DeLoach. She was in a couple of episodes of ER, a couple of episodes of Reno 9-1-1, and gets articles written about her by nostalgic Gen-Y-ers every couple of years.
IIRC, the original bee-girl (the one on the album cover) was a relative of one of the band members.
posted by Sys Rq at 12:32 PM on February 18, 2011
The girls on the cover of Siamese Dream are apparently the original bassist's (D'arcy Wretzky) sisters.
SPFC under "September"
posted by maximum sensing at 12:32 PM on February 18, 2011
SPFC under "September"
posted by maximum sensing at 12:32 PM on February 18, 2011
I love that Billy Corgan can have some fun with his image.
posted by zippy at 12:34 PM on February 18, 2011
posted by zippy at 12:34 PM on February 18, 2011
maximum sensing: Those are the girls on the cover of the "Today" single, not the album.
posted by utsutsu at 12:34 PM on February 18, 2011
posted by utsutsu at 12:34 PM on February 18, 2011
utsutsu: "maximum sensing: Those are the girls on the cover of the "Today" single, not the album."
You're right. Georgia Graham, drumer Glen Graham's sister.
posted by Plutor at 12:37 PM on February 18, 2011
You're right. Georgia Graham, drumer Glen Graham's sister.
posted by Plutor at 12:37 PM on February 18, 2011
utsutsu: You're right, my mistake. Nevertheless, the talk over at Netphoria is that this "discovery" is a stunt by Billy.
posted by maximum sensing at 12:39 PM on February 18, 2011
posted by maximum sensing at 12:39 PM on February 18, 2011
Your favorite band sucks and is old.
posted by ghharr at 12:41 PM on February 18, 2011 [1 favorite]
posted by ghharr at 12:41 PM on February 18, 2011 [1 favorite]
Nevertheless, the talk over at Netphoria is that this "discovery" is a stunt by Billy.
WHAT
posted by chaff at 12:46 PM on February 18, 2011 [2 favorites]
WHAT
posted by chaff at 12:46 PM on February 18, 2011 [2 favorites]
Also I think I'll wait for the Nirvana reunion fronted by the Nevermind baby.
posted by chaff at 12:46 PM on February 18, 2011 [18 favorites]
posted by chaff at 12:46 PM on February 18, 2011 [18 favorites]
I believe it. After all, nobody on Beverly Hills 90210 knew that Tori Spelling was Aaron's daughter. She has still managed to keep her secret. Aaron went to his grave thinking she wasn't related to him.
posted by Astro Zombie at 12:47 PM on February 18, 2011 [7 favorites]
posted by Astro Zombie at 12:47 PM on February 18, 2011 [7 favorites]
Yeah it does seem to be BS, or at least a difficult thing to prove or disprove.
posted by utsutsu at 12:48 PM on February 18, 2011
posted by utsutsu at 12:48 PM on February 18, 2011
The other little girl grew up to be Billy Corgan.
While Billy Corgan grew up to be Uncle Fester.
posted by tommasz at 12:50 PM on February 18, 2011 [7 favorites]
While Billy Corgan grew up to be Uncle Fester.
posted by tommasz at 12:50 PM on February 18, 2011 [7 favorites]
Hmm... She would have been 14 when the album was released. Born in ... drumroll please ... 1979
I N C E P T I O N
posted by Senor Cardgage at 12:50 PM on February 18, 2011 [2 favorites]
I N C E P T I O N
posted by Senor Cardgage at 12:50 PM on February 18, 2011 [2 favorites]
Hey, that's nothing. You know the cover for Herb Alpert & the Tijuana Brass's Whipped Cream and Other Delights?
I was the whipped cream.
posted by Astro Zombie
Damn you, I was stuck being the clam dip.
posted by COBRA! at 12:56 PM on February 18, 2011
I was the whipped cream.
posted by Astro Zombie
Damn you, I was stuck being the clam dip.
posted by COBRA! at 12:56 PM on February 18, 2011
Corgan, Pumpkins, whatever, but I really really like Melissa Auf der Maur.
posted by Devils Rancher at 12:57 PM on February 18, 2011 [1 favorite]
posted by Devils Rancher at 12:57 PM on February 18, 2011 [1 favorite]
..and the circle of suck is complete.
posted by lumpenprole at 12:59 PM on February 18, 2011
posted by lumpenprole at 12:59 PM on February 18, 2011
He gets on my nerves, but Billy Corgan has brought more pleasure to the planet than I have. Dunno about you guys.
posted by Clyde Mnestra at 1:04 PM on February 18, 2011
posted by Clyde Mnestra at 1:04 PM on February 18, 2011
He gets on my nerves, but Billy Corgan has brought more pleasure to the planet than I have. Dunno about you guys.
posted by Clyde Mnestra
Bad metric. Larry the Cable Guy's brought a lot of people pleasure, too, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't tie him to one of the SRBs on the next Shuttle launch.
posted by COBRA! at 1:07 PM on February 18, 2011 [7 favorites]
posted by Clyde Mnestra
Bad metric. Larry the Cable Guy's brought a lot of people pleasure, too, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't tie him to one of the SRBs on the next Shuttle launch.
posted by COBRA! at 1:07 PM on February 18, 2011 [7 favorites]
> Bad metric. Larry the Cable Guy's brought a lot of people pleasure, too, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't tie him to one of the SRBs on the next Shuttle launch.
"Gonna need a couple more boosters over here, Dan!"
posted by Celsius1414 at 1:19 PM on February 18, 2011 [2 favorites]
"Gonna need a couple more boosters over here, Dan!"
posted by Celsius1414 at 1:19 PM on February 18, 2011 [2 favorites]
I was Frank Zappa's lumpy gravy
posted by zippy at 1:22 PM on February 18, 2011 [1 favorite]
posted by zippy at 1:22 PM on February 18, 2011 [1 favorite]
Larry the Cable Guy's brought a lot of people pleasure, too, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't tie him to one of the SRBs on the next Shuttle launch.
If we could use SRBs to rid ourselves of unwanted celebrities, I would wholeheartedly support funding the shuttle program until the heat death of the universe.
posted by entropicamericana at 1:24 PM on February 18, 2011 [2 favorites]
If we could use SRBs to rid ourselves of unwanted celebrities, I would wholeheartedly support funding the shuttle program until the heat death of the universe.
posted by entropicamericana at 1:24 PM on February 18, 2011 [2 favorites]
Oh boy. Judging by Billy Corgan's tweets and retweets, e.g.
posted by anarch at 1:25 PM on February 18, 2011 [3 favorites]
An article for those who refuse to believe the truth; climate change is a natural occurrence, not man-made. Enjoy., I'm very glad his celebrity is much diminished by now.
posted by anarch at 1:25 PM on February 18, 2011 [3 favorites]
Crazy. One of my first albums, along with Ten and Blood Sugar Sex Magic.
Also, my mom picked Billy Corgan up at a hotel when he did his show in Atlanta back in those days. He was still wearing his fur coat and glasses and hat in the summertime, and was dripping sweat even in the hotel lobby. My mom said, "Hey buddy, go change, it's hot outside." But he refused. Rode all the way to the show in full regalia and was soaked through by the time he arrived.
And, to all the haters: where the fuck is your double album that is better than Mellon Collie? Because, you know, I'd like to hear it.
posted by notion at 1:27 PM on February 18, 2011 [2 favorites]
Also, my mom picked Billy Corgan up at a hotel when he did his show in Atlanta back in those days. He was still wearing his fur coat and glasses and hat in the summertime, and was dripping sweat even in the hotel lobby. My mom said, "Hey buddy, go change, it's hot outside." But he refused. Rode all the way to the show in full regalia and was soaked through by the time he arrived.
And, to all the haters: where the fuck is your double album that is better than Mellon Collie? Because, you know, I'd like to hear it.
posted by notion at 1:27 PM on February 18, 2011 [2 favorites]
It is surprisingly easy and pleasurable for me to visualize Billy Corgan and Larry the Cable Guy lassoed to the boosters of a rocket.
That said, space shots are expensive, and this is a time of belt-tightening, so space is limited. More practical suggestions are warranted.
posted by Clyde Mnestra at 1:27 PM on February 18, 2011 [1 favorite]
That said, space shots are expensive, and this is a time of belt-tightening, so space is limited. More practical suggestions are warranted.
posted by Clyde Mnestra at 1:27 PM on February 18, 2011 [1 favorite]
No one else is going to comment that the complete line-up change resulted in this:
Old Pumpkins
Female Bassist
Asian Guitarist
White Guy on Drums
Billy Corgan
New Pumpkins
Female Bassist
Asian Guitarist
White Guy on Drums
Hairless Billy Corgan
posted by Panjandrum at 1:30 PM on February 18, 2011 [9 favorites]
Old Pumpkins
Female Bassist
Asian Guitarist
White Guy on Drums
Billy Corgan
New Pumpkins
Female Bassist
Asian Guitarist
White Guy on Drums
Hairless Billy Corgan
posted by Panjandrum at 1:30 PM on February 18, 2011 [9 favorites]
And, to all the haters: where the fuck is your double album that is better than Mellon Collie? Because, you know, I'd like to hear it.
I remember trying to use this gambit on my stepdad when he yelled at baseball players on TV. Never worked for me, hope you have better luck with it.
posted by chaff at 1:37 PM on February 18, 2011 [5 favorites]
I remember trying to use this gambit on my stepdad when he yelled at baseball players on TV. Never worked for me, hope you have better luck with it.
posted by chaff at 1:37 PM on February 18, 2011 [5 favorites]
And, to all the haters: where the fuck is your double album that is better than Mellon Collie? Because, you know, I'd like to hear it.
Hm. I wrote this a few years ago. It doesn't have quite the production standards, but I think it's good enough for me to be critical of Corgan.
posted by Astro Zombie at 1:46 PM on February 18, 2011
Hm. I wrote this a few years ago. It doesn't have quite the production standards, but I think it's good enough for me to be critical of Corgan.
posted by Astro Zombie at 1:46 PM on February 18, 2011
Melon Collie would have been much better as a single album.
Do you mean my personal double-album (which is pretty awesome), or my favorite double-album?
posted by mrgrimm at 1:46 PM on February 18, 2011 [1 favorite]
Do you mean my personal double-album (which is pretty awesome), or my favorite double-album?
posted by mrgrimm at 1:46 PM on February 18, 2011 [1 favorite]
And, to all the haters: where the fuck is your double album that is better than Mellon Collie? Because, you know, I'd like to hear it.
No you wouldn't, you're just saying that.
posted by lumpenprole at 1:52 PM on February 18, 2011 [3 favorites]
No you wouldn't, you're just saying that.
posted by lumpenprole at 1:52 PM on February 18, 2011 [3 favorites]
And, to all the haters: where the fuck is your double album that is better than Mellon Collie? Because, you know, I'd like to hear it.
You're shitting us, right?
posted by COBRA! at 1:55 PM on February 18, 2011 [6 favorites]
You're shitting us, right?
posted by COBRA! at 1:55 PM on February 18, 2011 [6 favorites]
adipocere: "Yes, I am counting Corgan as human, not as some kind fleshy intersection of our physical plane with the necessarily larger four-dimensional space required to house his vast ego and the hyperspace-connected self-reflections composing the bulk of his thought processes."
You don't get it, do you? That's us. That's ALL OF US, man. I am he as your are he and you are me and we are all together...
Didn't Lennon teach you anything?
posted by symbioid at 1:55 PM on February 18, 2011 [1 favorite]
You don't get it, do you? That's us. That's ALL OF US, man. I am he as your are he and you are me and we are all together...
Didn't Lennon teach you anything?
posted by symbioid at 1:55 PM on February 18, 2011 [1 favorite]
I, too, now affect to despise the Smashing Pumpkins despite listening to them heavily in the mid-1990s.
posted by twirlip at 1:56 PM on February 18, 2011 [3 favorites]
posted by twirlip at 1:56 PM on February 18, 2011 [3 favorites]
Now I just want to see Billy Corgan and Larry the Cable Guy in a remake of Far Out Space Nuts.
posted by cottoncandybeard at 2:00 PM on February 18, 2011
posted by cottoncandybeard at 2:00 PM on February 18, 2011
I, too, now affect to despise the Smashing Pumpkins despite listening to them heavily in the mid-1990s.
Hey, man, I did a lot of things in the mid-90s that I don't like to admit to now.
Mostly, I played a lot of Magic: the Gathering, but there's also some Warcraft II modding and Kevin J. Anderson books in there.
posted by Copronymus at 2:05 PM on February 18, 2011 [1 favorite]
Hey, man, I did a lot of things in the mid-90s that I don't like to admit to now.
Mostly, I played a lot of Magic: the Gathering, but there's also some Warcraft II modding and Kevin J. Anderson books in there.
posted by Copronymus at 2:05 PM on February 18, 2011 [1 favorite]
And, to all the haters: where the fuck is your double album that is better than Mellon Collie? Because, you know, I'd like to hear it.
I actually like Mellon Collie but this one is pretty easy.
posted by Ber at 2:06 PM on February 18, 2011 [1 favorite]
I actually like Mellon Collie but this one is pretty easy.
posted by Ber at 2:06 PM on February 18, 2011 [1 favorite]
*your* double album
posted by Clyde Mnestra at 2:09 PM on February 18, 2011
posted by Clyde Mnestra at 2:09 PM on February 18, 2011
You're shitting us, right?
Not their double album. Yours.
It's one thing to say that you don't like an album for reasons 1-10, but it's entirely another to just say "It sucks! He sucks! Kill him with knives!" Billy Corgan may be an intolerable asshole, but so are a lot of artists, and he had the balls at least to put himself out there with his name on something. It's more than I have done.
I mean, it's like when the toads on talk radio started calling Obama elitist. Oh really? The guy who went to Harvard and wants to be the President is self-confident?
posted by notion at 2:12 PM on February 18, 2011 [2 favorites]
Not their double album. Yours.
It's one thing to say that you don't like an album for reasons 1-10, but it's entirely another to just say "It sucks! He sucks! Kill him with knives!" Billy Corgan may be an intolerable asshole, but so are a lot of artists, and he had the balls at least to put himself out there with his name on something. It's more than I have done.
I mean, it's like when the toads on talk radio started calling Obama elitist. Oh really? The guy who went to Harvard and wants to be the President is self-confident?
posted by notion at 2:12 PM on February 18, 2011 [2 favorites]
OK, I missed the "your." Whoops, my bad.
That said, I can honestly say that I've recorded a couple of single albums that I'd rather listen to than Siamese Dream. Although I'm certainly not going to pretend they're anywhere near London Calling.
posted by COBRA! at 2:15 PM on February 18, 2011
That said, I can honestly say that I've recorded a couple of single albums that I'd rather listen to than Siamese Dream. Although I'm certainly not going to pretend they're anywhere near London Calling.
posted by COBRA! at 2:15 PM on February 18, 2011
Gish is eminently listenable.
Siamese Dream is a masterpiece.
Mellon Collie is eminently listenable. If it had been cut down to a single album, it would have been a masterpiece, too.
The complete, inarguable truth is that everything after that was a complete pile of duck diarrhoea. You can't argue with that. It's the truth. Your favourite post-Mellon Collie Pumpkins albums really, really does suck.
But, you know, I'm always open for a comeback. The revelation that Corgan is also some kind of weirdo climate change denier has killed any hopes I may have maintained.
posted by Jimbob at 2:17 PM on February 18, 2011 [3 favorites]
Siamese Dream is a masterpiece.
Mellon Collie is eminently listenable. If it had been cut down to a single album, it would have been a masterpiece, too.
The complete, inarguable truth is that everything after that was a complete pile of duck diarrhoea. You can't argue with that. It's the truth. Your favourite post-Mellon Collie Pumpkins albums really, really does suck.
But, you know, I'm always open for a comeback. The revelation that Corgan is also some kind of weirdo climate change denier has killed any hopes I may have maintained.
posted by Jimbob at 2:17 PM on February 18, 2011 [3 favorites]
Jesus, I meant "...than Mellon Collie." Let's just take every comment I've made in this thread as proof that my brains have been pounded to much today, huh?
posted by COBRA! at 2:18 PM on February 18, 2011
posted by COBRA! at 2:18 PM on February 18, 2011
If we could use SRBs to rid ourselves of unwanted celebrities, I would wholeheartedly support funding the shuttle program until the heat death of the universe.
Just don't send the telephone cleaners, or we might have an ironic plague.
posted by flaterik at 2:18 PM on February 18, 2011
Just don't send the telephone cleaners, or we might have an ironic plague.
posted by flaterik at 2:18 PM on February 18, 2011
Oh, please. "Who are you to criticise Hitler? Where's *your* genocide?"
Melon Collie would have been much better as a single album.
I concur.
That said, there were a ton of excellent b-sides that could have been included to make a eally kick-ass double-album album instead of, say, "Lily," or anything that Flood touched with his stupid boingy synths.
posted by Sys Rq at 2:20 PM on February 18, 2011 [2 favorites]
Melon Collie would have been much better as a single album.
I concur.
That said, there were a ton of excellent b-sides that could have been included to make a eally kick-ass double-album album instead of, say, "Lily," or anything that Flood touched with his stupid boingy synths.
posted by Sys Rq at 2:20 PM on February 18, 2011 [2 favorites]
Just don't send the telephone cleaners, or we might have an ironic plague.
There's an Alanis joke in there somewhere.
posted by entropicamericana at 2:27 PM on February 18, 2011
There's an Alanis joke in there somewhere.
posted by entropicamericana at 2:27 PM on February 18, 2011
The revelation that Corgan is also some kind of weirdo climate change denier has killed any hopes I may have maintained.
Don't forget anti-vaccination proponent
posted by anazgnos at 2:34 PM on February 18, 2011
Don't forget anti-vaccination proponent
posted by anazgnos at 2:34 PM on February 18, 2011
never try to defend billy corgan or jonathan franzen on the internet.
i gotta admit London Calling was the first thing that sprung to mind. The Wall is a big one too. my favorite would be Kiss Me, Kiss Me, Kiss Me.
posted by mrgrimm at 2:36 PM on February 18, 2011
i gotta admit London Calling was the first thing that sprung to mind. The Wall is a big one too. my favorite would be Kiss Me, Kiss Me, Kiss Me.
posted by mrgrimm at 2:36 PM on February 18, 2011
Pretty much every (rock) double album would have been better as a single. A few exceptions I can think of off the top of my head are Exile, Physical Graffiti, London Calling, At Fillmore East, Electric Ladyland...and maybe Blonde on Blonde (although I've never made it all the way through in one sitting, and I love Dylan).
posted by The Card Cheat at 2:38 PM on February 18, 2011
posted by The Card Cheat at 2:38 PM on February 18, 2011
Don't forget anti-vaccination proponent
Oh, and here I thought I couldn't hate that smug prick any more than I did. Color me surprised.
posted by lumpenprole at 2:39 PM on February 18, 2011 [2 favorites]
Oh, and here I thought I couldn't hate that smug prick any more than I did. Color me surprised.
posted by lumpenprole at 2:39 PM on February 18, 2011 [2 favorites]
Daydream Nation, Bad Girls, The Downward Spiral, LCD Soundsystem, Wu-Tang Forever?
posted by mrgrimm at 2:50 PM on February 18, 2011
posted by mrgrimm at 2:50 PM on February 18, 2011
The most interesting thing about Billy Corgan recently is the fact that he apparently still nurses a grudge against Pavement for SM's infamous (and frankly hilarious) reference to Smashing Pumpkins in the classic song "Range Life." I mean, it's hilarious how long Billy's held on to this. The reference was funny because the whole thing was a joke (the narrator of the song also talks about running from the cops, "crimin'," shooting up, and riding skateboards) – and Billy seems to have construed this as a big indie-rock pride thing where Steve Malkmus believed that the guys in the Smashing Pumpkins are "sellouts." And then Billy went and made this unintentionally intriguing and ridiculous comment about Pavement a few months ago on Twitter: [Twitter warning]
"Just found out SP is playing with Pavement in Brazil. It's gonna be 1 of those New Orleans type funerals... I say that because they represent the death of the alternative dream, and we follow with the affirmation of life part. funny how those who pointed the big finger of 'sell out' are the biggest offenders now...yawn. they have no love...by the way, we'll be the band up there playing NEW songs because we have the love xx"
Pavement represents "the death of the alternative dream," and Smashing Pumpkins represents "the affirmation of life part"? Wow. That's... well, if it made any sense, it might be profound.
posted by koeselitz at 2:52 PM on February 18, 2011 [5 favorites]
"Just found out SP is playing with Pavement in Brazil. It's gonna be 1 of those New Orleans type funerals... I say that because they represent the death of the alternative dream, and we follow with the affirmation of life part. funny how those who pointed the big finger of 'sell out' are the biggest offenders now...yawn. they have no love...by the way, we'll be the band up there playing NEW songs because we have the love xx"
Pavement represents "the death of the alternative dream," and Smashing Pumpkins represents "the affirmation of life part"? Wow. That's... well, if it made any sense, it might be profound.
posted by koeselitz at 2:52 PM on February 18, 2011 [5 favorites]
I mean, it's been seventeen years since that Pavement lyric, and Billy Corgan is still het up about it. How can one person be so oblivious?
posted by koeselitz at 2:55 PM on February 18, 2011 [1 favorite]
posted by koeselitz at 2:55 PM on February 18, 2011 [1 favorite]
Wait, so is the new bassist is supposed to be the weird looking little girl with the weird forehead or the cute little girl?
posted by anniecat at 2:56 PM on February 18, 2011
posted by anniecat at 2:56 PM on February 18, 2011
so, what's their old bass player been up to, you ask?
posted by pyramid termite at 3:10 PM on February 18, 2011 [1 favorite]
posted by pyramid termite at 3:10 PM on February 18, 2011 [1 favorite]
Gah!
Much as I like Mellon Whatsis and love Siamese Dream, MW&TheInfSad cannot hold a black candle stuck in a chianti bottle to this double album, or this one, or this, or this, or this or hell even this monstrosity, and of course the others mentioned above. And that's just rock.
posted by Celsius1414 at 3:16 PM on February 18, 2011
Much as I like Mellon Whatsis and love Siamese Dream, MW&TheInfSad cannot hold a black candle stuck in a chianti bottle to this double album, or this one, or this, or this, or this or hell even this monstrosity, and of course the others mentioned above. And that's just rock.
posted by Celsius1414 at 3:16 PM on February 18, 2011
It's one thing to say that you don't like an album for reasons 1-10
1 billy
2 corgan
3 has
4 the
5 whiniest
6 voice
7 i
8 have
9 ever
10 heard
enough to spoil some songs that i would have otherwise found listenable, although i'll admit that 1979 works just fine
posted by pyramid termite at 3:17 PM on February 18, 2011 [1 favorite]
1 billy
2 corgan
3 has
4 the
5 whiniest
6 voice
7 i
8 have
9 ever
10 heard
enough to spoil some songs that i would have otherwise found listenable, although i'll admit that 1979 works just fine
posted by pyramid termite at 3:17 PM on February 18, 2011 [1 favorite]
This discussion reminds me that somebody pointed out a few years ago the surviving Beatles had a bass player and drummer, and the surviving Who had a lead singer and lead guitarist, and didn't it make sense for them to hook up? :)
posted by Celsius1414 at 3:21 PM on February 18, 2011 [2 favorites]
posted by Celsius1414 at 3:21 PM on February 18, 2011 [2 favorites]
Jimbob:
"The complete, inarguable truth is that everything after that was a complete pile of duck diarrhoea."
I like "Stand Inside Your Love" because it makes cunning use of the subjunctive.
posted by jscalzi at 3:35 PM on February 18, 2011 [1 favorite]
"The complete, inarguable truth is that everything after that was a complete pile of duck diarrhoea."
I like "Stand Inside Your Love" because it makes cunning use of the subjunctive.
posted by jscalzi at 3:35 PM on February 18, 2011 [1 favorite]
The complete, inarguable truth is that everything after that was a complete pile of duck diarrhoea. You can't argue with that. It's the truth. Your favourite post-Mellon Collie Pumpkins albums really, really does suck.
Eh, I remember liking the album that came out after that. Their post-breakup stuff was awful.
posted by delmoi at 3:42 PM on February 18, 2011
Eh, I remember liking the album that came out after that. Their post-breakup stuff was awful.
posted by delmoi at 3:42 PM on February 18, 2011
You haven't heard whiny until you've heard Hong Kong television dramas.
Corgan is normal by comparison.
posted by bwg at 3:42 PM on February 18, 2011
Corgan is normal by comparison.
posted by bwg at 3:42 PM on February 18, 2011
You really want to feel old? Remember that no one under 25 gives a crap about any of this...
posted by delmoi at 3:49 PM on February 18, 2011 [9 favorites]
posted by delmoi at 3:49 PM on February 18, 2011 [9 favorites]
Everybody born in the 90s will be above the legal age to drink after this year. ;D
posted by Celsius1414 at 3:56 PM on February 18, 2011
posted by Celsius1414 at 3:56 PM on February 18, 2011
i wondered what all those kids were doing on the roof of the junior high school
posted by pyramid termite at 3:59 PM on February 18, 2011
posted by pyramid termite at 3:59 PM on February 18, 2011
You really want to feel old? Remember that no one under 25 gives a crap about any of this...
I just tested this fact with my roommate. It is very true. I wonder what the dividing age is for when kids stopped paying attention to album covers altogether?
Anyway, I was one of those kids who ADORED the Smashing Pumpkins. Just lived for them. Siamese Dream is still probably the most important album of my life. That said, Billy Corgan is awful. I remember when I was still a teenager and my brother was running sound in Dallas and he did a show for SP and, knowing my obsession, afterwards asked Corgan if he'd write out an autograph for me. Corgan told my brother to tell me to fuck off. I became somewhat less of a fan at that point.
I'll also always remember that Billy Corgan shaved his head right before performing on Saturday Night Live. It was 1995, and I remember it well because Tarantino was hosting, and I was equally obsessed with him, so my friends kept reminding me about it and I was watching promos all week and Billy most definitely had hair and then, Tarantino announces them, and out comes The Mutant.
And the thing I remember thinking was, "Really? For SNL? SNL performances always end up sounding like ass (bad studio for it and the audience is sitting down and not composed of fans) and you chose to do this weird-ass thing to memorialize it? Huh." I'd kind of understand it if this was them finally hitting the big time but it wasn't. They were promoting Mellon Collie. They'd already been a big deal for a couple of years.
Just always seemed weird to me, except not, if you think of it through the lens of a guy who can never get enough attention focused upon himself.
posted by Navelgazer at 4:03 PM on February 18, 2011 [3 favorites]
I just tested this fact with my roommate. It is very true. I wonder what the dividing age is for when kids stopped paying attention to album covers altogether?
Anyway, I was one of those kids who ADORED the Smashing Pumpkins. Just lived for them. Siamese Dream is still probably the most important album of my life. That said, Billy Corgan is awful. I remember when I was still a teenager and my brother was running sound in Dallas and he did a show for SP and, knowing my obsession, afterwards asked Corgan if he'd write out an autograph for me. Corgan told my brother to tell me to fuck off. I became somewhat less of a fan at that point.
I'll also always remember that Billy Corgan shaved his head right before performing on Saturday Night Live. It was 1995, and I remember it well because Tarantino was hosting, and I was equally obsessed with him, so my friends kept reminding me about it and I was watching promos all week and Billy most definitely had hair and then, Tarantino announces them, and out comes The Mutant.
And the thing I remember thinking was, "Really? For SNL? SNL performances always end up sounding like ass (bad studio for it and the audience is sitting down and not composed of fans) and you chose to do this weird-ass thing to memorialize it? Huh." I'd kind of understand it if this was them finally hitting the big time but it wasn't. They were promoting Mellon Collie. They'd already been a big deal for a couple of years.
Just always seemed weird to me, except not, if you think of it through the lens of a guy who can never get enough attention focused upon himself.
posted by Navelgazer at 4:03 PM on February 18, 2011 [3 favorites]
Celsius, recheck your math on that one.
posted by Navelgazer at 4:03 PM on February 18, 2011 [3 favorites]
posted by Navelgazer at 4:03 PM on February 18, 2011 [3 favorites]
Everybody born in the 90s will be above the legal age to drink after this year. ;D
Teenage wasteland... Teenage wasteland... They're all wasted!
posted by rory at 4:03 PM on February 18, 2011 [1 favorite]
Teenage wasteland... Teenage wasteland... They're all wasted!
posted by rory at 4:03 PM on February 18, 2011 [1 favorite]
Everybody born in the 90s 1990 will be above the legal age to drink after this year. ;D
posted by mrgrimm at 4:20 PM on February 18, 2011 [1 favorite]
posted by mrgrimm at 4:20 PM on February 18, 2011 [1 favorite]
Double vinyl LP albums can only be 90 minutes, just 10 minutes over what a single CD can hold. At 122 minutes, Mellon Collie exceeds that by a half hour.
posted by gngstrMNKY at 4:22 PM on February 18, 2011
posted by gngstrMNKY at 4:22 PM on February 18, 2011
Double vinyl LP albums can only be 90 minutes
it is technically possible to get more than 30 minutes on a side of an LP, with some compromises in loudness
according to this barry manilow 20 greatest hits, arista, 1984, had 35 minutes on one side and 40 on the other - one person comments that pye in europe had a series of 20 best of song albums - i have one by man and two by the kinks and they all are about 30 minutes a side
they also mention todd rundgren's initiation album as being 67:35 long
so, yeah, you could put a 122 minutes on a double album set
i should mention that the sound on the pye albums i have is kind of weak, thanks to the smaller grooves
posted by pyramid termite at 4:51 PM on February 18, 2011 [1 favorite]
it is technically possible to get more than 30 minutes on a side of an LP, with some compromises in loudness
according to this barry manilow 20 greatest hits, arista, 1984, had 35 minutes on one side and 40 on the other - one person comments that pye in europe had a series of 20 best of song albums - i have one by man and two by the kinks and they all are about 30 minutes a side
they also mention todd rundgren's initiation album as being 67:35 long
so, yeah, you could put a 122 minutes on a double album set
i should mention that the sound on the pye albums i have is kind of weak, thanks to the smaller grooves
posted by pyramid termite at 4:51 PM on February 18, 2011 [1 favorite]
miles davis' get up with it was a 124:15 long double album
posted by pyramid termite at 5:03 PM on February 18, 2011
posted by pyramid termite at 5:03 PM on February 18, 2011
yeah, the original LPs could only do 45 minutes per, but later ones got longer. i was gonna say the max was ~30 per side, but it might be even longer ...
er, what pyramid termite said. (some of those k-tel albums packed 20 songs on 'em. ... at the expense of sound.)
posted by mrgrimm at 5:08 PM on February 18, 2011
er, what pyramid termite said. (some of those k-tel albums packed 20 songs on 'em. ... at the expense of sound.)
posted by mrgrimm at 5:08 PM on February 18, 2011
2011 - 1990 = 21. So, in other words, everyone born in the 1990s will now have reached the drinking age.
posted by Celsius1414 at 5:14 PM on February 18, 2011
posted by Celsius1414 at 5:14 PM on February 18, 2011
No, everyone born in the 1980s will have now reached drinking age. (my niece was born in '97, she turned 13 last fall. definitely not drinking age.)
posted by epersonae at 5:20 PM on February 18, 2011
posted by epersonae at 5:20 PM on February 18, 2011
So, in other words, everyone born in the 1990s will now have reached the drinking age.
and i was born in the 20th century - 2011 - 1900 - 111 years old
no wonder i feel so damned tired
posted by pyramid termite at 5:38 PM on February 18, 2011 [1 favorite]
and i was born in the 20th century - 2011 - 1900 - 111 years old
no wonder i feel so damned tired
posted by pyramid termite at 5:38 PM on February 18, 2011 [1 favorite]
Oh, please. "Who are you to criticise Hitler? Where's *your* genocide?"
The correct analogy would be to ask if it were morally acceptable for Billy Corgan to make albums. But carry on with the Godwinning hyperbole.
posted by notion at 6:17 PM on February 18, 2011
The correct analogy would be to ask if it were morally acceptable for Billy Corgan to make albums. But carry on with the Godwinning hyperbole.
posted by notion at 6:17 PM on February 18, 2011
Wow, I never knew there was so much Internet hate for Billy Corgan. I guess it's because I've never paid any attention to him that I still like those early Smashing Pumpking albums.
posted by Kraftmatic Adjustable Cheese at 7:34 PM on February 18, 2011
posted by Kraftmatic Adjustable Cheese at 7:34 PM on February 18, 2011
Well I remember in the mid-90s, getting Guitar World magazine, when Corgan was a regular contributor. You know, "Grunge" was happening, and the magazine was filled with Pearl Jam and Nirvana tabs. And he was a good choice, really, because he is a bloody good guitarist. But each month Corgan was in there, the letters section was filled with bitter shredders calling him a talent-less arsehole, and demanding "MORE SATRIANI! MORE YWNGIE!".
I scoffed at them at the time, but maybe they had a point...
posted by Jimbob at 8:29 PM on February 18, 2011
I scoffed at them at the time, but maybe they had a point...
posted by Jimbob at 8:29 PM on February 18, 2011
Wow, I never knew there was so much Internet hate for Billy Corgan. I guess it's because
...the world is a vampire?
posted by arto at 9:41 PM on February 18, 2011
...the world is a vampire?
posted by arto at 9:41 PM on February 18, 2011
Whoops, yes, well.
Since I've been legally drinking for 21 years, I will use advancing decrepitude as an excuse. Also, the sun got in my eyes.
posted by Celsius1414 at 10:39 PM on February 18, 2011
Since I've been legally drinking for 21 years, I will use advancing decrepitude as an excuse. Also, the sun got in my eyes.
posted by Celsius1414 at 10:39 PM on February 18, 2011
MetaFilter: despite all your rage you are still just a rat in a cage
posted by bwg at 11:28 PM on February 18, 2011
posted by bwg at 11:28 PM on February 18, 2011
Is it too soon to make a tasteless joke about that dead guy? Because if not, I'll start working on one.
posted by box at 7:33 AM on February 19, 2011
posted by box at 7:33 AM on February 19, 2011
I'm surprised by the blind (?) iteration of "old" as the sine qua non and equivalent of irrelevance. I suppose in a world possessed of such shallow insight as provided by most popular music, I should have expected as much. Please excuse me for not embracing it.
On the other hand, if by "old" we mean "formerly but no longer able to produce amazing pop rock" then I'll take off my cranky old man suit and mostly agree.
My opinion of SP's albums picks up where JimBob begins generalizing, which is that to my ears Adore is an absolutely amazing album, in many ways their best and most mature.
But, shit on a stick, we are talking about pop music, right?
posted by mistersquid at 8:30 AM on February 19, 2011
On the other hand, if by "old" we mean "formerly but no longer able to produce amazing pop rock" then I'll take off my cranky old man suit and mostly agree.
My opinion of SP's albums picks up where JimBob begins generalizing, which is that to my ears Adore is an absolutely amazing album, in many ways their best and most mature.
But, shit on a stick, we are talking about pop music, right?
posted by mistersquid at 8:30 AM on February 19, 2011
Eh? I remember them as being pretty good. I liked Soma. Did something happen?
posted by kyrademon at 8:31 AM on February 19, 2011
posted by kyrademon at 8:31 AM on February 19, 2011
Not their double album. Yours.
This argument is stoopid. Sure, they don't build shrines to critics, you say (although I'm sure there's one of Hazlitt), but we are all humans with ears and taste and with critical faculties that work beyond what we ourselves can do.
I mean, if I were suing someone for medical negligence, would the court close the case with 'Well let's see YOUR heart operation then?'* What stage of film-making do I need to be at before I can tell you that Armageddon was a hideous movie? Can I tell you honestly whether I like your new sweater without having a qualification in textile design? Do I need to have studied discourse at undergraduate level before I can tell you that your argument is rubbish? Oh wait, I did indeed do that. It is. Carry on.
(*I'm not American, so if this has ever happened on Judge Judy, do forgive me.)
posted by mippy at 8:39 AM on February 19, 2011
This argument is stoopid. Sure, they don't build shrines to critics, you say (although I'm sure there's one of Hazlitt), but we are all humans with ears and taste and with critical faculties that work beyond what we ourselves can do.
I mean, if I were suing someone for medical negligence, would the court close the case with 'Well let's see YOUR heart operation then?'* What stage of film-making do I need to be at before I can tell you that Armageddon was a hideous movie? Can I tell you honestly whether I like your new sweater without having a qualification in textile design? Do I need to have studied discourse at undergraduate level before I can tell you that your argument is rubbish? Oh wait, I did indeed do that. It is. Carry on.
(*I'm not American, so if this has ever happened on Judge Judy, do forgive me.)
posted by mippy at 8:39 AM on February 19, 2011
Not their double album. Yours.
working title - metafilter and the infinite grarness
posted by pyramid termite at 9:24 AM on February 19, 2011 [3 favorites]
working title - metafilter and the infinite grarness
posted by pyramid termite at 9:24 AM on February 19, 2011 [3 favorites]
Billy Corgan is still allowed to make something he calls music?!?
It's music if he says it is. Just ask him.
I am so heartened that the internet thinks he is a smug prick, too.
posted by gjc at 1:59 PM on February 19, 2011
It's music if he says it is. Just ask him.
I am so heartened that the internet thinks he is a smug prick, too.
posted by gjc at 1:59 PM on February 19, 2011
Hm. I wrote this a few years ago. It doesn't have quite the production standards, but I think it's good enough for me to be critical of Corgan.
You wrote this album, Astro Zombie ?
posted by sgt.serenity at 3:14 PM on February 19, 2011
You wrote this album, Astro Zombie ?
posted by sgt.serenity at 3:14 PM on February 19, 2011
Eh? I remember them as being pretty good. I liked Soma. Did something happen?
Uh, you mean in the last 17 years? Yeah, their keyboard died and drummer overdosed on heroin, they put out some blah albums (Adore and Machina), D'arcy left, they broke up, reunited five years later without James, and then became the Billy and Jimmy show.
I've been listening to Teagarden, though. It's not bad.
posted by mrgrimm at 10:56 AM on February 22, 2011
Uh, you mean in the last 17 years? Yeah, their keyboard died and drummer overdosed on heroin, they put out some blah albums (Adore and Machina), D'arcy left, they broke up, reunited five years later without James, and then became the Billy and Jimmy show.
I've been listening to Teagarden, though. It's not bad.
posted by mrgrimm at 10:56 AM on February 22, 2011
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