Still in love with Judas
June 7, 2011 12:40 PM Subscribe
Lady Judas - Lady Gaga vs Judas Priest from Wax Audio (MLYT)
Other Wax Audio:
Led Zeppelin vs Black Sabbath
AC/DC vs Ray Parker Jr
Nirvana vs Europe
Pink Floyd vs Bee Gees
Iron Maiden vs Dhoom 2
Tori Amos vs PJ Harvey vs Björk vs Massive Attack
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Other Wax Audio:
Led Zeppelin vs Black Sabbath
AC/DC vs Ray Parker Jr
Nirvana vs Europe
Pink Floyd vs Bee Gees
Iron Maiden vs Dhoom 2
Tori Amos vs PJ Harvey vs Björk vs Massive Attack
((previous)
BLASPHEMY!
ok, yes it was good. But still, Lady Gaga and Judas Priest? That's just wrong.
posted by zarq at 12:45 PM on June 7, 2011 [1 favorite]
ok, yes it was good. But still, Lady Gaga and Judas Priest? That's just wrong.
posted by zarq at 12:45 PM on June 7, 2011 [1 favorite]
I am dancing manically around a hotel room right now.
I have no words.
Well okay I have sounds but they're mostly hysterical giggling.
posted by The Whelk at 12:47 PM on June 7, 2011 [3 favorites]
Well, Gaga and Halford are both gay icons, I guess.
But I couldn't listen to much of this because "Judas" is such a great single that I don't want to hear it mashed up. And I say that as someone who is meh on LG in general.
posted by Trurl at 12:49 PM on June 7, 2011 [1 favorite]
But I couldn't listen to much of this because "Judas" is such a great single that I don't want to hear it mashed up. And I say that as someone who is meh on LG in general.
posted by Trurl at 12:49 PM on June 7, 2011 [1 favorite]
Lady Gaga and Judas Priest? That's just wrong.
Leather? Theatrical stage vamping? Banging chorus? Over the top themes?
posted by The Whelk at 12:51 PM on June 7, 2011
Leather? Theatrical stage vamping? Banging chorus? Over the top themes?
posted by The Whelk at 12:51 PM on June 7, 2011
Tori Amos vs PJ Harvey vs Björk vs Massive Attack
I call that "my university years".
Well, needs a bit of Portishead and Prodge.
posted by Artw at 12:55 PM on June 7, 2011 [2 favorites]
I call that "my university years".
Well, needs a bit of Portishead and Prodge.
posted by Artw at 12:55 PM on June 7, 2011 [2 favorites]
Trurl:
As someone who isn't meh on LG, I can say Judas grew on me in a big way - I hated it when I first heard it but it kept coming up on my random mix and ..yeah it works. It sounds like Gaga song, complete with the highly addictive nonsense chorus and a heavy, mechanical sound. Plus the video is gorgeous. Not as inventive, way more of a typical music video, but the costume design! Look at it! It's Baz Lurman's Counter-Reformation!
Whereas "Hair" is just ...no. I'm sorry, I refuse to go down this saxophone-Pat Benetar -K-hole with you Gaga.
posted by The Whelk at 12:58 PM on June 7, 2011
As someone who isn't meh on LG, I can say Judas grew on me in a big way - I hated it when I first heard it but it kept coming up on my random mix and ..yeah it works. It sounds like Gaga song, complete with the highly addictive nonsense chorus and a heavy, mechanical sound. Plus the video is gorgeous. Not as inventive, way more of a typical music video, but the costume design! Look at it! It's Baz Lurman's Counter-Reformation!
Whereas "Hair" is just ...no. I'm sorry, I refuse to go down this saxophone-Pat Benetar -K-hole with you Gaga.
posted by The Whelk at 12:58 PM on June 7, 2011
ALSO, people have said before, a lot of LG's stuff has elements that would be heavy industrial/metal a decade and change ago, along with all the "Tool video" visuals.
You could make the argument that this just makes the relationship clear, dance and metal have merged in the mainstream.
posted by The Whelk at 1:01 PM on June 7, 2011 [1 favorite]
You could make the argument that this just makes the relationship clear, dance and metal have merged in the mainstream.
posted by The Whelk at 1:01 PM on June 7, 2011 [1 favorite]
Really? Judas is one of Gaga's weaker tracks — too much same-samey, limited range. It's got a great chorus, which this uses to good effect, and Halford's verses are pretty great over the looped beds.
Gaga's at her best with anthemic dance choruses, and any time she starts to take herself too seriously, it just sounds like Madonna retreads (see: 40 percent of Born This Way).
posted by klangklangston at 1:02 PM on June 7, 2011
Gaga's at her best with anthemic dance choruses, and any time she starts to take herself too seriously, it just sounds like Madonna retreads (see: 40 percent of Born This Way).
posted by klangklangston at 1:02 PM on June 7, 2011
I really thought this was going to be awesome. It wasn't. I has a sad now.
posted by KingEdRa at 1:04 PM on June 7, 2011
posted by KingEdRa at 1:04 PM on June 7, 2011
The best part of "Judas" is the chorus. The worst parts of "Judas" are the god-awful spoken-word verses.
"When he calls to me, I am ready
I'll wash his feet with my hair if he needs
Forgive him when his tongue lies through his brain
Even after three times he betrays me."
(She's not rhyming. She's not making the rhythm of the words match up to the rhythm of the song. The accent on "ready" should be on the first syllable, not the second! The accent on "betrays" should be on the second syllable, not the first!
She's barely even trying!)
This mashup scraps all the spoken-word crap. I approve.
posted by lewedswiver at 1:07 PM on June 7, 2011 [1 favorite]
"When he calls to me, I am ready
I'll wash his feet with my hair if he needs
Forgive him when his tongue lies through his brain
Even after three times he betrays me."
(She's not rhyming. She's not making the rhythm of the words match up to the rhythm of the song. The accent on "ready" should be on the first syllable, not the second! The accent on "betrays" should be on the second syllable, not the first!
She's barely even trying!)
This mashup scraps all the spoken-word crap. I approve.
posted by lewedswiver at 1:07 PM on June 7, 2011 [1 favorite]
I would put up with snatches of Metal Machine Music to get to that chorus. But I actually enjoy the other parts of the song too. It's like if Nina Hagen went commercial.
posted by Trurl at 1:09 PM on June 7, 2011
posted by Trurl at 1:09 PM on June 7, 2011
It's like if Nina Hagen went commercial.
That's exactly what I was trying to say, thank you for being more eloquent.
Klang, what do you like on Born This Way? I think it's really uneven, but the increasing clanging clashing heaviness of the dance music is ...well it's not not interesting.
posted by The Whelk at 1:12 PM on June 7, 2011
That's exactly what I was trying to say, thank you for being more eloquent.
Klang, what do you like on Born This Way? I think it's really uneven, but the increasing clanging clashing heaviness of the dance music is ...well it's not not interesting.
posted by The Whelk at 1:12 PM on June 7, 2011
I didn't care for the Lady Judas mashup, but then, I don't much like the Judas single (klangklangston is completely right).
But that Nirvana/Europe track? Genius.
posted by mysterpigg at 1:13 PM on June 7, 2011
But that Nirvana/Europe track? Genius.
posted by mysterpigg at 1:13 PM on June 7, 2011
She's not making the rhythm of the words match up to the rhythm of the song.
Why should they?
The accent on "ready" should be on the first syllable, not the second! The accent on "betrays" should be on the second syllable, not the first!
Who says?
posted by New England Cultist at 1:19 PM on June 7, 2011 [1 favorite]
Why should they?
The accent on "ready" should be on the first syllable, not the second! The accent on "betrays" should be on the second syllable, not the first!
Who says?
posted by New England Cultist at 1:19 PM on June 7, 2011 [1 favorite]
I clicked on that link ready to hate it with every fiber of my being but I sort of liked it. BREAKING THE LAW.
posted by zephyr_words at 1:19 PM on June 7, 2011
posted by zephyr_words at 1:19 PM on June 7, 2011
Technical mashup question: why are most mashups so quiet? They come in several notches quieter than any professionally recorded music. Does it have something to do with having to mix already-optimized tracks and needing to drop them both to prevent clipping?
posted by Shepherd at 1:21 PM on June 7, 2011
posted by Shepherd at 1:21 PM on June 7, 2011
considers pitching a puff culture piece: "Leatherdaddies Go To The Disco: the fusing of two gay subcultures under Mother Monster."
posted by The Whelk at 1:26 PM on June 7, 2011 [2 favorites]
posted by The Whelk at 1:26 PM on June 7, 2011 [2 favorites]
Well, if you're going to complain that she's too much like Madonna shit lazy rhymes kind of go with that...
posted by Artw at 1:27 PM on June 7, 2011
posted by Artw at 1:27 PM on June 7, 2011
I accidentally hit iTunes at the same time and was playing Ani DiFranco under these two. I couldn't figure out what the hell was going on for about 40 seconds. That was just wrong.
posted by Cuke at 1:30 PM on June 7, 2011
posted by Cuke at 1:30 PM on June 7, 2011
Why should they? Who says?
Meter. When the accent of the words lines up with the rhythm of the music, it sounds smoother, more natural, more fluent, more skillful. The words of the lyrics and the sound the music become one with each other, and it works.
I don't mean to sound patronizing, because there's obviously more to the story, and that's what you're referring to. More particularly -- if you deliberately go against the grain, challenge our expectations, and stress what isn't typically stressed and unstress what typically is, you can create a jarring feeling, something surprising, something that undermines your preconceptions. This can work, too -- it can be better than simply "going with the flow."
But that only follows if Lady Gaga deliberately was playing with stress and rhythm, and there was something particular about her use of stress in these lines that she chose to add. Frankly, I don't see it. I think she simply didn't put enough effort into writing the lyrics.
(Another example: "bull-IED or teased" in "Born This Way.")
posted by lewedswiver at 1:32 PM on June 7, 2011 [1 favorite]
Meter. When the accent of the words lines up with the rhythm of the music, it sounds smoother, more natural, more fluent, more skillful. The words of the lyrics and the sound the music become one with each other, and it works.
I don't mean to sound patronizing, because there's obviously more to the story, and that's what you're referring to. More particularly -- if you deliberately go against the grain, challenge our expectations, and stress what isn't typically stressed and unstress what typically is, you can create a jarring feeling, something surprising, something that undermines your preconceptions. This can work, too -- it can be better than simply "going with the flow."
But that only follows if Lady Gaga deliberately was playing with stress and rhythm, and there was something particular about her use of stress in these lines that she chose to add. Frankly, I don't see it. I think she simply didn't put enough effort into writing the lyrics.
(Another example: "bull-IED or teased" in "Born This Way.")
posted by lewedswiver at 1:32 PM on June 7, 2011 [1 favorite]
Well, if you're going to complain that she's too much like Madonna shit lazy rhymes kind of go with that...
I don't actually think she is like Madonna. I wrote a trifle short blog entry on this topic recently, but mostly just to clarify to myself why I didn't think they were that similar.
posted by New England Cultist at 1:32 PM on June 7, 2011 [1 favorite]
I don't actually think she is like Madonna. I wrote a trifle short blog entry on this topic recently, but mostly just to clarify to myself why I didn't think they were that similar.
posted by New England Cultist at 1:32 PM on June 7, 2011 [1 favorite]
Combining Nirvana with Europe is sacrilegious, and catchy.
posted by joost de vries at 1:34 PM on June 7, 2011
posted by joost de vries at 1:34 PM on June 7, 2011
Orbital vs. Belinda Carlisle and Bon Jovi - takes a while to get fully crazy.
posted by Artw at 1:35 PM on June 7, 2011
posted by Artw at 1:35 PM on June 7, 2011
Spielberg had only a minimal track record at the time. If the heavily over-budget Jaws had flopped, modern film history would be very, very different.
posted by Trurl at 1:52 PM on June 7, 2011
posted by Trurl at 1:52 PM on June 7, 2011
Just trying to balance the scales.
posted by Trurl at 1:53 PM on June 7, 2011 [1 favorite]
posted by Trurl at 1:53 PM on June 7, 2011 [1 favorite]
Thread mash-up
posted by fearfulsymmetry at 1:55 PM on June 7, 2011 [3 favorites]
posted by fearfulsymmetry at 1:55 PM on June 7, 2011 [3 favorites]
"Klang, what do you like on Born This Way? I think it's really uneven, but the increasing clanging clashing heaviness of the dance music is ...well it's not not interesting."
I like the clanging, I like the anthemic lift of the chorus, but the overall song is too flatly repetitive to have that much emphasis on the chorus, the spoken word bits are clumsy, and the maximalist production strategy means that it just feels more cluttered than clear.
I'd love to hear a remix that takes takes Born This Way into a lot more minimal space, and kicks the bass way, way up (I haven't heard it at a club yet, but I imagine that's the sort of space where it would really work well, because you could drop in the chorus over pretty much any beat record or 808 line and have it move the floor).
But in listening again, I think that the Madonnaisms are probably the best part and I was wrong to slag them — when she gets too serious, she just sounds silly, but the Madonna isn't linked to that.
posted by klangklangston at 1:55 PM on June 7, 2011
I like the clanging, I like the anthemic lift of the chorus, but the overall song is too flatly repetitive to have that much emphasis on the chorus, the spoken word bits are clumsy, and the maximalist production strategy means that it just feels more cluttered than clear.
I'd love to hear a remix that takes takes Born This Way into a lot more minimal space, and kicks the bass way, way up (I haven't heard it at a club yet, but I imagine that's the sort of space where it would really work well, because you could drop in the chorus over pretty much any beat record or 808 line and have it move the floor).
But in listening again, I think that the Madonnaisms are probably the best part and I was wrong to slag them — when she gets too serious, she just sounds silly, but the Madonna isn't linked to that.
posted by klangklangston at 1:55 PM on June 7, 2011
I'd also say that Bad Romance and Paparazzi are my favorite Gaga tracks (along with Dance, which is pretty killer), and that I tend to like her voice more when she doesn't sound like Cher.
posted by klangklangston at 1:58 PM on June 7, 2011
posted by klangklangston at 1:58 PM on June 7, 2011
considers pitching a puff culture piece: "Leatherdaddies Go To The Disco: the fusing of two gay subcultures under Mother Monster." "
*cough* mefimag
posted by klangklangston at 2:00 PM on June 7, 2011 [2 favorites]
*cough* mefimag
posted by klangklangston at 2:00 PM on June 7, 2011 [2 favorites]
Another vote for Whole lotta Sabbath deserves top billing
posted by Redhush at 2:22 PM on June 7, 2011
posted by Redhush at 2:22 PM on June 7, 2011
You could make the argument that this just makes the relationship clear, dance and metal have merged in the mainstream.
Somewhere, Andrew W.K. is crying. And it's not just because the Juggalos almost took him out onstage.
posted by psoas at 2:24 PM on June 7, 2011
Somewhere, Andrew W.K. is crying. And it's not just because the Juggalos almost took him out onstage.
posted by psoas at 2:24 PM on June 7, 2011
I always considered Andrew W.K way less synthy and discoy and more in the anthem spectrum but music fans are like Linnaeus when it comes to that.
posted by The Whelk at 2:27 PM on June 7, 2011
posted by The Whelk at 2:27 PM on June 7, 2011
My favorite LG track is Speechless, followed by Beautiful, Dirty, Rich.
posted by Pendragon at 3:06 PM on June 7, 2011 [1 favorite]
posted by Pendragon at 3:06 PM on June 7, 2011 [1 favorite]
Jebus, that Zep/Sabbath mashup could be used as an anti-aircraft weapon. Bonzo just kills everything in his path when he kicks in.
As for the rest, they were all interesting if occasionally blasphemous. I could care less about Lady Gaga but the mash was well done and so spectacularly gay it would probably cause Rick Santorum's sphincter to pucker.
posted by Ber at 3:37 PM on June 7, 2011
As for the rest, they were all interesting if occasionally blasphemous. I could care less about Lady Gaga but the mash was well done and so spectacularly gay it would probably cause Rick Santorum's sphincter to pucker.
posted by Ber at 3:37 PM on June 7, 2011
I'd love to hear a remix that takes takes Born This Way into a lot more minimal space, and kicks the bass way, way up...
While not a House remix, this is pretty nifty in that it does Gaga's really strong vocal talent way more favours.
posted by New England Cultist at 3:40 PM on June 7, 2011 [1 favorite]
While not a House remix, this is pretty nifty in that it does Gaga's really strong vocal talent way more favours.
posted by New England Cultist at 3:40 PM on June 7, 2011 [1 favorite]
...forgot to add: this is really one of the major differences between Madonna and Gaga. The latter has a strong voice with a fairly road range. Madonna never did.
posted by New England Cultist at 3:42 PM on June 7, 2011 [1 favorite]
posted by New England Cultist at 3:42 PM on June 7, 2011 [1 favorite]
I think that if the Dhoom dancers ever did perform with Iron Maiden the audience would probably lose their collective minds.
posted by Ber at 3:51 PM on June 7, 2011
posted by Ber at 3:51 PM on June 7, 2011
but the mash was well done and so spectacularly gay it would probably cause Rick Santorum's sphincter to pucker.
You know up to this point I hadn't actually SEEN a Judas Priest video despite having a few albums and ...really? The Halford thing was news? Really? I've seen subtler porn.
posted by The Whelk at 3:57 PM on June 7, 2011
You know up to this point I hadn't actually SEEN a Judas Priest video despite having a few albums and ...really? The Halford thing was news? Really? I've seen subtler porn.
posted by The Whelk at 3:57 PM on June 7, 2011
I grew up with JP, but seriously, I did not know until now that there was a way to make me like Lady Gaga even less. That evoked an actual fight of flight response. I'm askeered of the rest of those.
posted by Devils Rancher at 4:02 PM on June 7, 2011
posted by Devils Rancher at 4:02 PM on June 7, 2011
I can't believe I have a legitimate excuse to post one of my favorite YouTube videos.
The Donnas & Judas Priest - Living After Midnight
posted by charlie don't surf at 4:05 PM on June 7, 2011 [1 favorite]
The Donnas & Judas Priest - Living After Midnight
posted by charlie don't surf at 4:05 PM on June 7, 2011 [1 favorite]
I'm having a "you got your chocolate in my peanut butter" moment and I like it.
posted by Renoroc at 4:12 PM on June 7, 2011 [1 favorite]
posted by Renoroc at 4:12 PM on June 7, 2011 [1 favorite]
The Zep Sabbath one is kinda genius.
Bonzo just kills everything in his path when he kicks in.
He's like a diesel locomotive with the sweeping eye of Sauron affixed to the front.
posted by Devils Rancher at 4:12 PM on June 7, 2011 [2 favorites]
Bonzo just kills everything in his path when he kicks in.
He's like a diesel locomotive with the sweeping eye of Sauron affixed to the front.
posted by Devils Rancher at 4:12 PM on June 7, 2011 [2 favorites]
fearfulsymmetry: Tori Amos vs PJ Harvey vs Björk vs Massive Attack
This will be the best thing I see/hear for weeks.
posted by New England Cultist at 4:17 PM on June 7, 2011 [2 favorites]
This will be the best thing I see/hear for weeks.
posted by New England Cultist at 4:17 PM on June 7, 2011 [2 favorites]
A few years ago I tried to mashup Beatles Piggies w/War Pigs. I got a little ways into it and realized I wasn't cut out for it, but I definitely think someone should do it ... and post it to mefi music!
posted by symbioid at 4:27 PM on June 7, 2011
posted by symbioid at 4:27 PM on June 7, 2011
"The latter has a strong voice with a fairly road range. Madonna never did."
While Gaga does have a better voice than Madonna, the technology is a lot better now too. She's so doubled and pitch corrected and aurally airbrushed that it's hard to make a real claim on her having any sort of truly notable vocal talent.
posted by klangklangston at 4:43 PM on June 7, 2011
While Gaga does have a better voice than Madonna, the technology is a lot better now too. She's so doubled and pitch corrected and aurally airbrushed that it's hard to make a real claim on her having any sort of truly notable vocal talent.
posted by klangklangston at 4:43 PM on June 7, 2011
...it's hard to make a real claim on her having any sort of truly notable vocal talent.
Clicky Clicky
posted by New England Cultist at 4:56 PM on June 7, 2011 [2 favorites]
Clicky Clicky
posted by New England Cultist at 4:56 PM on June 7, 2011 [2 favorites]
She's so doubled and pitch corrected and aurally airbrushed that it's hard to make a real claim on her having any sort of truly notable vocal talent.
Really? I think this video shows that she has the pipes.
posted by echolalia67 at 4:57 PM on June 7, 2011 [2 favorites]
Really? I think this video shows that she has the pipes.
posted by echolalia67 at 4:57 PM on June 7, 2011 [2 favorites]
She's so doubled and pitch corrected and aurally airbrushed that it's hard to make a real claim on her having any sort of truly notable vocal talent.
Really? I think this video shows that she has the pipes.
Yeah . I', not Gaga fanatic but her performance on SNL blew me away, she's got some talent. SInce then I;ve respected her , although nit liked her music.
On the other hand PRIEST!
posted by Liquidwolf at 5:04 PM on June 7, 2011
Really? I think this video shows that she has the pipes.
Yeah . I', not Gaga fanatic but her performance on SNL blew me away, she's got some talent. SInce then I;ve respected her , although nit liked her music.
On the other hand PRIEST!
posted by Liquidwolf at 5:04 PM on June 7, 2011
You want a mashup that shouldn't work and yet does, I give you Smells Like Rick Astley.
As for Lady Gaga, it was a cover that made me interested: LADY GAGA - Born This Way (Cover). When Gaga plays this version of her song, *with* Maria Aragon, it was something special.
posted by kmartino at 6:51 PM on June 7, 2011 [2 favorites]
As for Lady Gaga, it was a cover that made me interested: LADY GAGA - Born This Way (Cover). When Gaga plays this version of her song, *with* Maria Aragon, it was something special.
posted by kmartino at 6:51 PM on June 7, 2011 [2 favorites]
What kind of tiresome extreme-metal-obsessive would I be if I failed to link Bleed-a-razzi, that god-fucking-awesome mashup of Meshuggah's Bleed and LG's Papparazzi (previously)? It turns a boring bubble-gum song into a polytonal, polyrhythmic masterpiece. What's terrible is that the original mash-up was removed due to copyright infringement. However, I like that they mashed the vids as well as the song.
Also, watch Tomas Haake's effortless double-bass. He's a machine.
posted by Existential Dread at 7:06 PM on June 7, 2011 [1 favorite]
Also, watch Tomas Haake's effortless double-bass. He's a machine.
posted by Existential Dread at 7:06 PM on June 7, 2011 [1 favorite]
"But again, I do think she has a good voice and really can sing."
I'd go with that. For the upper echelon of pop, I think she's got one of the better voices. But compared to, say, r&b, she'd be pretty average.
posted by klangklangston at 8:19 PM on June 7, 2011
I'd go with that. For the upper echelon of pop, I think she's got one of the better voices. But compared to, say, r&b, she'd be pretty average.
posted by klangklangston at 8:19 PM on June 7, 2011
Pink Floyd vs Bee Gees was musically okay. Certainly not something I'll be adding to my mp3 player anytime soon. But holy crap did the combination of videos make Travolta's dance scenes look sinister! Watching Saturday Night Fever in the past, I never realized the purpose of the dancing was to excite the crowd into a frenzy so he could use their psychic energy to take over the world along with his army of child-slaves.
posted by Dojie at 10:09 PM on June 7, 2011
posted by Dojie at 10:09 PM on June 7, 2011
Dojie: "Pink Floyd vs Bee Gees was musically okay. Certainly not something I'll be adding to my mp3 player anytime soon."
Funny, I've had that on my car stereo for over a year now. It's fabulous at 200 km/h on the Autobahn.
posted by brokkr at 1:46 AM on June 8, 2011
Funny, I've had that on my car stereo for over a year now. It's fabulous at 200 km/h on the Autobahn.
posted by brokkr at 1:46 AM on June 8, 2011
Really enjoying The Donnas version of Living After Midnight - I always thought that was a great pop song.
Tony Parsons, sometime in the 1990s: "Great rock bands need great pop songs"
posted by DanCall at 2:52 AM on June 8, 2011
Tony Parsons, sometime in the 1990s: "Great rock bands need great pop songs"
posted by DanCall at 2:52 AM on June 8, 2011
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