Notifications to Congress of Pending U.S. Arms Transfers 1992-2001
September 17, 2001 3:01 PM Subscribe
Notifications to Congress of Pending U.S. Arms Transfers 1992-2001
Check out Egypt and Israel.
Database at this site.
Check out Egypt and Israel.
Database at this site.
Hey, what gives? The gov is giving away, for free it says, M16s and ammunition, 38 cal pistols, etc. For free! Billed as Excess Defense Articles. How do we, those of us who paid for it, get some of these free goodies? Maybe it has something to do with spending $100 mill on some other items.
posted by SteveS at 3:13 PM on September 17, 2001
posted by SteveS at 3:13 PM on September 17, 2001
Ugh. Why does the expression "Reap what you sow" spring to mind?
Well, at least this way we sort of know what potential enemies may have...assuming some of it doesn't magically end up in the hands of Afghanistan, et al.
posted by Kikkoman at 3:14 PM on September 17, 2001
Well, at least this way we sort of know what potential enemies may have...assuming some of it doesn't magically end up in the hands of Afghanistan, et al.
posted by Kikkoman at 3:14 PM on September 17, 2001
I mean, we gave Lithuania a bunch of stuff. Means nothing in itself.
I'd like a few pretties from that Excess Defense Articles stack, too, since my taxes went to pay for it.
posted by UncleFes at 3:14 PM on September 17, 2001
I'd like a few pretties from that Excess Defense Articles stack, too, since my taxes went to pay for it.
posted by UncleFes at 3:14 PM on September 17, 2001
pardon my pro-Israel bias but those lefties (I am myself one) who charge that Israel ils supported by U.S. and thus we provke the Arab nations don't mention the fact that we give 2 billion per year to Egypt, and the scenes inCairo of folks dancing in the streets were very much like the ones of pictures on the West Bank. Our country supplies Israel more than any other nation; Egypt, though, is second in line.
What does not get mentioned in such ;tables is the simple fact that we supply Saudi Arabia with a large number of planes andpilots, stationed there to protect them against Iraq etc...that is a large amount that does not get computed in. Same with Kuwait. Israel has never had American troops stationed on its soil, though military exercises have taken place.
Finally: Saudi Arabia has for some time now financed the Taliban govt!
posted by Postroad at 3:16 PM on September 17, 2001
What does not get mentioned in such ;tables is the simple fact that we supply Saudi Arabia with a large number of planes andpilots, stationed there to protect them against Iraq etc...that is a large amount that does not get computed in. Same with Kuwait. Israel has never had American troops stationed on its soil, though military exercises have taken place.
Finally: Saudi Arabia has for some time now financed the Taliban govt!
posted by Postroad at 3:16 PM on September 17, 2001
I was a bit surprised by the 300 M-204 grenade launchers donated to the Palestinians under the Excess Defense Articles category.
posted by mrbula at 3:28 PM on September 17, 2001
posted by mrbula at 3:28 PM on September 17, 2001
UncleFes:
I'm Jewish and I much prefer the first version. It sounds really New Yawk yiddish and meets all Leo Rosten's criteria:
"Hey, they're our allies. We wouldn't sell them arms?"
And, furthermore, what's not to like about your and Postroad's posts?
posted by MiguelCardoso at 3:29 PM on September 17, 2001
I'm Jewish and I much prefer the first version. It sounds really New Yawk yiddish and meets all Leo Rosten's criteria:
"Hey, they're our allies. We wouldn't sell them arms?"
And, furthermore, what's not to like about your and Postroad's posts?
posted by MiguelCardoso at 3:29 PM on September 17, 2001
American Govt does get paid for its soldiers, planes and pilots in Saudi Arabia. Secondly, it is in Israel's favor because a leftist govt. in Saudi Arabia would be more pain in Israel's butt, rather than this "tyrant" monarchy of sheikhs.
posted by adnanbwp at 3:31 PM on September 17, 2001
posted by adnanbwp at 3:31 PM on September 17, 2001
What surprised me here is the size of this industry monetary wise. WOW. So much money being earned and spent for weapons and accessories.
Definitely, the following WTC related war would only increase this size.
posted by adnanbwp at 3:42 PM on September 17, 2001
Definitely, the following WTC related war would only increase this size.
posted by adnanbwp at 3:42 PM on September 17, 2001
We give away very expensive weapons? Like... for free?
To Bahrain?
Okay, what the heck is an island nation 3.5 times the size of Washington, DC going to do with 60 battle tanks, 25 self-propelled howitzers, and other instruments of land war? And we just gave them some missle frigates?! So, essentially, it looks like we outfitted Bahrain with a good-sized military... mostly for free.
I'm sure there's a good reason for it, but I can't fathom it. Couldn't we have gotten a good deal of revenue out of that stuff?
posted by whatnotever at 4:09 PM on September 17, 2001
To Bahrain?
Okay, what the heck is an island nation 3.5 times the size of Washington, DC going to do with 60 battle tanks, 25 self-propelled howitzers, and other instruments of land war? And we just gave them some missle frigates?! So, essentially, it looks like we outfitted Bahrain with a good-sized military... mostly for free.
I'm sure there's a good reason for it, but I can't fathom it. Couldn't we have gotten a good deal of revenue out of that stuff?
posted by whatnotever at 4:09 PM on September 17, 2001
Isn't this our Tax Money ? And shouldnt it be spent on building a better budget ?
posted by adnanbwp at 4:13 PM on September 17, 2001
posted by adnanbwp at 4:13 PM on September 17, 2001
Postroad, Egypt may get the second most, but Egypt is a very poor nation of 60 million people.
Israel has a per-capita GDP higher than Spain, and has only 5-6 million people. Plus they get interest-free loans as part of their aid package, which no other nation gets (a good reason for this is that they have the money to pay them back on time, which no other nation we give aid to really can do. But that of course makes you wonder why we give aid to a country that is already wealthy).
The ONLY reason Egypt gets that much in the first place is to provide a false counter balance that can be used in debates such as this.
I say, cut them both off, that would be fair.
posted by eric anders at 4:16 PM on September 17, 2001
Israel has a per-capita GDP higher than Spain, and has only 5-6 million people. Plus they get interest-free loans as part of their aid package, which no other nation gets (a good reason for this is that they have the money to pay them back on time, which no other nation we give aid to really can do. But that of course makes you wonder why we give aid to a country that is already wealthy).
The ONLY reason Egypt gets that much in the first place is to provide a false counter balance that can be used in debates such as this.
I say, cut them both off, that would be fair.
posted by eric anders at 4:16 PM on September 17, 2001
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posted by UncleFes at 3:11 PM on September 17, 2001