Mexican Film about 2012
October 14, 2011 10:56 AM Subscribe
Paging Giorgio A. Tsoukalos, paging Giorgio A. Tsoukalos....
posted by Vicarious at 10:58 AM on October 14, 2011 [7 favorites]
posted by Vicarious at 10:58 AM on October 14, 2011 [7 favorites]
I knew this already. It was on the Mayans' ancient calendar.
posted by goethean at 10:59 AM on October 14, 2011
posted by goethean at 10:59 AM on October 14, 2011
Extraordinary claims, etc.
posted by leotrotsky at 11:00 AM on October 14, 2011 [3 favorites]
posted by leotrotsky at 11:00 AM on October 14, 2011 [3 favorites]
And by "government" we mean "The Ministry of Tourism."
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 11:05 AM on October 14, 2011 [24 favorites]
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 11:05 AM on October 14, 2011 [24 favorites]
I dunno....it was published in The Guardian, not The Star.
posted by eggtooth at 11:05 AM on October 14, 2011
posted by eggtooth at 11:05 AM on October 14, 2011
First they say it's the gods (in the form of eagle bourne snakes etc.), then big-G God (or Mary), now aliens. Can't these Mexicans make up their minds?
posted by The 10th Regiment of Foot at 11:06 AM on October 14, 2011
posted by The 10th Regiment of Foot at 11:06 AM on October 14, 2011
Maybe they are going to reach out for help in dealing with the bloodthirsty cartels that are decimating their infrastructure and border populations.
Probably a good thing for the Mexican government to focus on. You know, Aliens are critical compared to the thugs who have corrupted their entire political system.
posted by glaucon at 11:07 AM on October 14, 2011
Probably a good thing for the Mexican government to focus on. You know, Aliens are critical compared to the thugs who have corrupted their entire political system.
posted by glaucon at 11:07 AM on October 14, 2011
...Revelations of the Mayans 2012 and Beyond is currently in production for release next year to coincide with the end of the Mayan calendar...
They've doomed us.
posted by Specklet at 11:09 AM on October 14, 2011
They've doomed us.
posted by Specklet at 11:09 AM on October 14, 2011
Gahh, of course there weren't any extra-terrestials. It was a Marine Expeditionary Force transported by time machine back to Mayan times. The landing pads were for the V-22 Ospreys of course. That's why the Mayans thought the world was going to end in 2012 to begin with, to be fair the Marines tried to correct them, but with the language barrier and all.
posted by forforf at 11:10 AM on October 14, 2011 [2 favorites]
posted by forforf at 11:10 AM on October 14, 2011 [2 favorites]
I thought Sarah Palin was the thing we feared in 2012?
The future is far too strange and maleable these days.
posted by mccarty.tim at 11:11 AM on October 14, 2011 [1 favorite]
The future is far too strange and maleable these days.
posted by mccarty.tim at 11:11 AM on October 14, 2011 [1 favorite]
Archaeologists? Why?
You might call in archaeologists to show that a culture believed they were talking to gods/aliens/mother nature.
But you would call in people of different disciplines entirely to show that gods/aliens/mother nature were talking back.
posted by -harlequin- at 11:11 AM on October 14, 2011
You might call in archaeologists to show that a culture believed they were talking to gods/aliens/mother nature.
But you would call in people of different disciplines entirely to show that gods/aliens/mother nature were talking back.
posted by -harlequin- at 11:11 AM on October 14, 2011
I thought Sarah Palin was the thing we feared in 2012?
The future is far too strange and maleable these days.
Well, technically she won't be president until she is sworn in in 2013.
posted by dibblda at 11:14 AM on October 14, 2011
The future is far too strange and maleable these days.
Well, technically she won't be president until she is sworn in in 2013.
posted by dibblda at 11:14 AM on October 14, 2011
One of these days I really have to dig up that old copy of Chariots of the Gods and give it a good reading, this time not as a child, but an adult inured by years of internet tinhattery.
posted by Capt. Renault at 11:15 AM on October 14, 2011 [13 favorites]
posted by Capt. Renault at 11:15 AM on October 14, 2011 [13 favorites]
harlequin: why wouldn't you? It's obvious from the comments that people think this is another silly
...something. That's why the MG is using the archaeologists. It's much more in the news down here.
posted by eggtooth at 11:16 AM on October 14, 2011
...something. That's why the MG is using the archaeologists. It's much more in the news down here.
posted by eggtooth at 11:16 AM on October 14, 2011
"Guatemala and Mexico release secret documents and artefacts to help tourism industry"
posted by KokuRyu at 11:17 AM on October 14, 2011 [1 favorite]
posted by KokuRyu at 11:17 AM on October 14, 2011 [1 favorite]
Childs: I just cannot believe any of this voodoo bullshit.
Palmer: Childs, it happens all the time, man. They're falling out of the sky like flies. Government knows all about it, right, Mac?
Childs: You believe any of this voodoo bullshit, Blair?
Palmer: Childs, Childs... Chariots of the Gods, man. They practically own South America. I mean, they taught the Incas everything they know.
posted by nathancaswell at 11:21 AM on October 14, 2011 [2 favorites]
Palmer: Childs, it happens all the time, man. They're falling out of the sky like flies. Government knows all about it, right, Mac?
Childs: You believe any of this voodoo bullshit, Blair?
Palmer: Childs, Childs... Chariots of the Gods, man. They practically own South America. I mean, they taught the Incas everything they know.
posted by nathancaswell at 11:21 AM on October 14, 2011 [2 favorites]
Seekers, I was right! Everything I did know was wrong!
posted by tommasz at 11:21 AM on October 14, 2011 [3 favorites]
posted by tommasz at 11:21 AM on October 14, 2011 [3 favorites]
First they say it's the gods (in the form of eagle bourne snakes etc.), then big-G God (or Mary), now aliens. Can't these Mexicans make up their minds?
They're a bit indecisive perhaps, but mostly they can spell 'borne'.
posted by quonsar II: smock fishpants and the temple of foon at 11:21 AM on October 14, 2011 [1 favorite]
They're a bit indecisive perhaps, but mostly they can spell 'borne'.
posted by quonsar II: smock fishpants and the temple of foon at 11:21 AM on October 14, 2011 [1 favorite]
I have no doubt it happened, but I demand to know the status of their visas.
posted by lekvar at 11:25 AM on October 14, 2011 [1 favorite]
posted by lekvar at 11:25 AM on October 14, 2011 [1 favorite]
They're a bit indecisive perhaps, but mostly they can spell 'borne'.
L - L - E - V - A - D - O
posted by nebulawindphone at 11:26 AM on October 14, 2011 [3 favorites]
L - L - E - V - A - D - O
posted by nebulawindphone at 11:26 AM on October 14, 2011 [3 favorites]
I have no doubt it happened, but I demand to know the status of their visas.
I believe they stayed on under the category of "resident alien".
BDDDMPPPPSSSSHHHH!!!
Thank you thank you, I'll be here all week!
posted by the cydonian at 11:29 AM on October 14, 2011 [3 favorites]
I believe they stayed on under the category of "resident alien".
BDDDMPPPPSSSSHHHH!!!
Thank you thank you, I'll be here all week!
posted by the cydonian at 11:29 AM on October 14, 2011 [3 favorites]
It's not a problem, the world will have ended by then.
posted by Harry at 11:29 AM on October 14, 2011
posted by Harry at 11:29 AM on October 14, 2011
Uh huh. Which is why they're releasing it as a movie rather than into peer reviewed archeology journals.
posted by sotonohito at 11:30 AM on October 14, 2011 [2 favorites]
posted by sotonohito at 11:30 AM on October 14, 2011 [2 favorites]
Speaking of things like the Mayans and 2012, remember the Family Radio people, who back in the Spring predicted the end of the world for (I think) May 21st? And when the world didn't actually end, they decided that May 21st was Judgement Day, after which there would be a period where God sits around for a while, and only then would the world end?
God's due to stop sitting around, and start kicking some ass, one week from today.
posted by Flunkie at 11:32 AM on October 14, 2011 [1 favorite]
God's due to stop sitting around, and start kicking some ass, one week from today.
posted by Flunkie at 11:32 AM on October 14, 2011 [1 favorite]
The Mayans absolutely had contact with Aliens. They were called 'The Spanish.'
posted by mudpuppie at 11:33 AM on October 14, 2011 [27 favorites]
posted by mudpuppie at 11:33 AM on October 14, 2011 [27 favorites]
And then they fucking killed them.
posted by Bunny Ultramod at 11:34 AM on October 14, 2011
posted by Bunny Ultramod at 11:34 AM on October 14, 2011
Archaeologists? Why?
You might call in archaeologists to show that a culture believed they were talking to gods/aliens/mother nature.
But you would call in people of different disciplines entirely to show that gods/aliens/mother nature were talking back.
Aziz! Light!
posted by Durn Bronzefist at 11:35 AM on October 14, 2011 [14 favorites]
You might call in archaeologists to show that a culture believed they were talking to gods/aliens/mother nature.
But you would call in people of different disciplines entirely to show that gods/aliens/mother nature were talking back.
Aziz! Light!
posted by Durn Bronzefist at 11:35 AM on October 14, 2011 [14 favorites]
Which is why they're releasing it as a movie rather than into peer reviewed archeology journals.
Can you imagine if this was actually reviewed by "peers"? Aaaaand the reviews are in:
WAKE UP SHEEPLE THE ALIENS ARE A CIA FALSE FLAG OP!
WAKE UP SHEEPLE THE MEXICAN GOV'T ARE BILDERBURGERS!
WAKE UP SHEEPLE THE MAYANS ARE REPTILIANS!
WAKE UP SHEEPLE THEY ARE A NEW WORLD ORDER PROPAGANDA FRONT!
WAKE UP SHEEPLE THE ALIENS ARE REALLY A SATANIC CULT!
WAKE UP SHEEPLE THE MEXICANS ARE CONTROLLED BY INTERNATIONAL JEWRY!
WAKE UP SHEEPLE THE ALIENS HAVE OUR POWS!
WAKE UP SHEEPLE CARL SAGAN WAS A FREEMASON!
WAKE UP SHEEPLE THE ALIENS LANDED IN BOHEMIAN GROVE!
WAKE UP SHEEPLE ALIEN SPACESHIPS ARE THREE SIDED TO MATCH THE TRILATERAL COMMISION, DUH!
posted by nathancaswell at 11:36 AM on October 14, 2011 [13 favorites]
Can you imagine if this was actually reviewed by "peers"? Aaaaand the reviews are in:
WAKE UP SHEEPLE THE ALIENS ARE A CIA FALSE FLAG OP!
WAKE UP SHEEPLE THE MEXICAN GOV'T ARE BILDERBURGERS!
WAKE UP SHEEPLE THE MAYANS ARE REPTILIANS!
WAKE UP SHEEPLE THEY ARE A NEW WORLD ORDER PROPAGANDA FRONT!
WAKE UP SHEEPLE THE ALIENS ARE REALLY A SATANIC CULT!
WAKE UP SHEEPLE THE MEXICANS ARE CONTROLLED BY INTERNATIONAL JEWRY!
WAKE UP SHEEPLE THE ALIENS HAVE OUR POWS!
WAKE UP SHEEPLE CARL SAGAN WAS A FREEMASON!
WAKE UP SHEEPLE THE ALIENS LANDED IN BOHEMIAN GROVE!
WAKE UP SHEEPLE ALIEN SPACESHIPS ARE THREE SIDED TO MATCH THE TRILATERAL COMMISION, DUH!
posted by nathancaswell at 11:36 AM on October 14, 2011 [13 favorites]
The Mayans absolutely had contact with Aliens. They were called 'The Spanish.'...
...
And then they fucking killed them.
Something to remember as we put radio feelers out in the Galaxy looking for someone else.
But if there was ever going to be contact between us and some other civilization it makes sense, from a pure statistical viewpoint, that it would have occurred in the distant past. Human beings have been human beings for something like 75,000 years or so and civilized for at least 15,000 years. In all that time why would we expect that contact should only occur in the mere 100 years that we have been alive?
posted by Poet_Lariat at 11:42 AM on October 14, 2011
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And then they fucking killed them.
Something to remember as we put radio feelers out in the Galaxy looking for someone else.
But if there was ever going to be contact between us and some other civilization it makes sense, from a pure statistical viewpoint, that it would have occurred in the distant past. Human beings have been human beings for something like 75,000 years or so and civilized for at least 15,000 years. In all that time why would we expect that contact should only occur in the mere 100 years that we have been alive?
posted by Poet_Lariat at 11:42 AM on October 14, 2011
People that aren't skeptical of their own opinions are like those that thought the Titanic unsinkable.
posted by eggtooth at 11:44 AM on October 14, 2011 [1 favorite]
posted by eggtooth at 11:44 AM on October 14, 2011 [1 favorite]
One of these days I really have to dig up that old copy of Chariots of the Gods and give it a good reading, this time not as a child, but an adult inured by years of internet tinhattery.
I did that a few years ago and it's hilarious. I actually think it's worth the effort for the amount of entertainment you get back.
posted by shelleycat at 11:44 AM on October 14, 2011 [2 favorites]
I did that a few years ago and it's hilarious. I actually think it's worth the effort for the amount of entertainment you get back.
posted by shelleycat at 11:44 AM on October 14, 2011 [2 favorites]
You can count me in the "alien life totally exists out there somewhere but it totally has not made contact with us and unfortunately probably never will which is a bummer" camp.
posted by nathancaswell at 11:45 AM on October 14, 2011 [6 favorites]
posted by nathancaswell at 11:45 AM on October 14, 2011 [6 favorites]
There are Mayan panoramas on my pyramid pajamas.
posted by Confess, Fletch at 11:57 AM on October 14, 2011 [6 favorites]
posted by Confess, Fletch at 11:57 AM on October 14, 2011 [6 favorites]
That Guardian article is amazingly wrong and confused! Am I missing the hints that this article is satirical? Has my reading comprehension completely failed me, or does it name the president of Guatemala as the president of Mexico? Did the author go out of his way to make this sound as ridiculous as possible? A quick search revealed this article that makes it sounds a lot less weird. Aside from whatever synergy this movie has with some tourism campaign, the involvement of the Mexican government in this project is likely more to do with the restrictions they place on the use of images from archaeological sites wherein they can place conditions on the production, marketing and content of film in return for granting access to the sites. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me that the makers of the film wanted to make it as crazy as it sounds in the Guardian article but weren't allowed to under the provisions that the government placed on them in return for granting them permission to film at the archaeological sites. I could be wrong though.
posted by bunyip at 12:00 PM on October 14, 2011 [2 favorites]
posted by bunyip at 12:00 PM on October 14, 2011 [2 favorites]
Hm. Mexico does have healthy reserves of black oil, don't they?
posted by maxwelton at 12:01 PM on October 14, 2011 [3 favorites]
posted by maxwelton at 12:01 PM on October 14, 2011 [3 favorites]
"So far, the minister of tourism for the Mexican state of Campeche, Luis Augusto García Rosado, appears to be the highest-ranking government official to go on record confirming the discovery of extraterrestrial life, but he's not holding back."
Huh...
posted by Blasdelb at 12:01 PM on October 14, 2011
Huh...
posted by Blasdelb at 12:01 PM on October 14, 2011
I want to grab the government of Singapore and forcibly install it as the government of Mexico. I'm sure Singapore would do just fine replacing itself in Singapore. In Mexico, the new government would instantly turn the country into America's most bad-ass neighbor.
posted by Cool Papa Bell at 12:05 PM on October 14, 2011
posted by Cool Papa Bell at 12:05 PM on October 14, 2011
Religions, hollywood and wallstreet ...and lastly a make-believe ufo to fish some more tourist. Someone clone me half a million James Randi or something.
posted by elpapacito at 12:06 PM on October 14, 2011
posted by elpapacito at 12:06 PM on October 14, 2011
And if not Singapore, then just about any of the Scandinavian countries would do.
posted by Cool Papa Bell at 12:08 PM on October 14, 2011 [1 favorite]
posted by Cool Papa Bell at 12:08 PM on October 14, 2011 [1 favorite]
You can count me in the "alien life totally exists out there somewhere but it totally has not made contact with us and unfortunately probably never will which is a bummer" camp.
You can count me in the "alien life totally exists out there somewhere but it is probably way weirder than you imagine and is very unlikely to have the combination of ability and compelling reason to conquer the stupendous problems of interstellar travel."
posted by George_Spiggott at 12:15 PM on October 14, 2011
You can count me in the "alien life totally exists out there somewhere but it is probably way weirder than you imagine and is very unlikely to have the combination of ability and compelling reason to conquer the stupendous problems of interstellar travel."
posted by George_Spiggott at 12:15 PM on October 14, 2011
...camp.
posted by George_Spiggott at 12:15 PM on October 14, 2011
posted by George_Spiggott at 12:15 PM on October 14, 2011
There are Mayan panoramas on my pyramid pajamas.
Have they helped your little problem?
posted by Naberius at 12:17 PM on October 14, 2011 [3 favorites]
Have they helped your little problem?
posted by Naberius at 12:17 PM on October 14, 2011 [3 favorites]
There are Mayan panoramas on my pyramid pajamas.
Paging Arthur Sullivan! Arthur Sullivan to aisle 108,397!
posted by nebulawindphone at 12:19 PM on October 14, 2011
Paging Arthur Sullivan! Arthur Sullivan to aisle 108,397!
posted by nebulawindphone at 12:19 PM on October 14, 2011
Hmm. Seems someone beat him to it. Or vice versa, I guess, seeing as he's dead.
posted by nebulawindphone at 12:20 PM on October 14, 2011
posted by nebulawindphone at 12:20 PM on October 14, 2011
harlequin: why wouldn't you? It's obvious from the comments that people think this is another silly
...something. That's why the MG is using the archaeologists. It's much more in the news down here.
If you have a strong case, for example possession of artefacts of non-earthly origin, the scientists with expertise to demonstrate that origin (and there are a lot of fields that qualify) would have top billing, and your archaeologists would be well into the background.
If the claim is space-alien contact, and archaeologists are your top billing for proving it, then even before seeing the evidence, it seems safe to say the case is weak, regardless of whether or not alien contact happened. Either that, or you need a new marketing department.
posted by -harlequin- at 12:22 PM on October 14, 2011
... alien contact with the Mayans ...
Namely, Rudolph and Angelou.
posted by ZenMasterThis at 12:22 PM on October 14, 2011
Namely, Rudolph and Angelou.
posted by ZenMasterThis at 12:22 PM on October 14, 2011
Any ideas what the next 'thing' will be once December 2012 comes and goes? I'm not aware of anything particularly apocalyptic, but that bit about May 21, 2011 sneaked up on me, so I'm not as in the know as I used to be on the fringe stuff.
posted by Mooski at 12:26 PM on October 14, 2011
posted by Mooski at 12:26 PM on October 14, 2011
Wow. This and the Yeti all in one week! What's next week?
posted by slackdog at 12:27 PM on October 14, 2011
posted by slackdog at 12:27 PM on October 14, 2011
I suspected the Soviet empire was soon to crumble when that kid from West Germany flew his small plane into Russia and landed in Red Square.
When Russian girls claiming aliens had landed set off a flurry of UFO hysteria, I knew collapse must be very near.
Here's hoping we have effective contingency plans in place.
posted by jamjam at 12:29 PM on October 14, 2011
When Russian girls claiming aliens had landed set off a flurry of UFO hysteria, I knew collapse must be very near.
Here's hoping we have effective contingency plans in place.
posted by jamjam at 12:29 PM on October 14, 2011
I thought we already knew this from all the painstaking research that went into the documentary film 'Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skull.'
posted by TheRedArmy at 12:46 PM on October 14, 2011
posted by TheRedArmy at 12:46 PM on October 14, 2011
I learned early in life that there's a seeker born every minute.
posted by Devils Rancher at 12:51 PM on October 14, 2011 [1 favorite]
posted by Devils Rancher at 12:51 PM on October 14, 2011 [1 favorite]
mccarty.tim: "I thought Sarah Palin was the thing we feared in 2012?
The future is far too strange and maleable these days."
Wait. Aliens warned the Mayans about Palin?
posted by Splunge at 12:53 PM on October 14, 2011 [2 favorites]
The future is far too strange and maleable these days."
Wait. Aliens warned the Mayans about Palin?
posted by Splunge at 12:53 PM on October 14, 2011 [2 favorites]
I learned early in life that there's a seeker born every minute.
It's not the seekers that are the problem, in my opinion, it's the two that are born to take them.
posted by Mooski at 12:58 PM on October 14, 2011
It's not the seekers that are the problem, in my opinion, it's the two that are born to take them.
posted by Mooski at 12:58 PM on October 14, 2011
You need a permit from the INAH, the national archeology institute, to film or use images of archeological artifacts, and they get credited in films. Maybe this is the extent of government participation.
When you visit Palenque, where thw famous astronaut in a rocketship sculpture was found, the government certified guides ask you what books you've read about the Mayan, ans adjust their explanation accordingly. I have taken the scientific tour, the aliens tour and the new age meditation tour. These guides are just trying to make a buck in a poor area, but it is very disconcerting to hear a government certified, university credentialed dude tell you that there is hard evidence of alien visitation.
Also, are Singaporean and Swedish politicians immune to 50 cal bullets ans bombs?
posted by Ayn Rand and God at 1:03 PM on October 14, 2011
When you visit Palenque, where thw famous astronaut in a rocketship sculpture was found, the government certified guides ask you what books you've read about the Mayan, ans adjust their explanation accordingly. I have taken the scientific tour, the aliens tour and the new age meditation tour. These guides are just trying to make a buck in a poor area, but it is very disconcerting to hear a government certified, university credentialed dude tell you that there is hard evidence of alien visitation.
Also, are Singaporean and Swedish politicians immune to 50 cal bullets ans bombs?
posted by Ayn Rand and God at 1:03 PM on October 14, 2011
I've seen that movie already, it was called Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. And it sucked.
posted by lydhre at 1:04 PM on October 14, 2011
posted by lydhre at 1:04 PM on October 14, 2011
Hudson: Right, right. Someone said "alien"; she thought they said illegal alien and signed up!
Vasquez: Fuck you, man.
posted by Parasite Unseen at 1:07 PM on October 14, 2011 [2 favorites]
Vasquez: Fuck you, man.
posted by Parasite Unseen at 1:07 PM on October 14, 2011 [2 favorites]
Juan Carlos Rulfo is the son of Juan Rulfo, one of the finest Mexican writers of all time. If you haven't read "Pedro Paramo", you should.
That said, you should also watch the documentaries Juan Carlos has made. They are serious works of art, so I will look forward to watching this film.
posted by elmono at 1:25 PM on October 14, 2011 [2 favorites]
That said, you should also watch the documentaries Juan Carlos has made. They are serious works of art, so I will look forward to watching this film.
posted by elmono at 1:25 PM on October 14, 2011 [2 favorites]
Great! So, you claim you know where aliens landed? Cool, let's go swab down those sites and see if we can culture some non-terrestrial life. Let's excavate these sites and see if there are any anachronistic bits of equipment left behind -- even a scraping of titanium or alumininum, or traces of materials unknown to modern science would be spectacular. Drag out those artifacts you mention, we'll do the same. Codices? Sure, why not, let's see if there's an alien iconography or encoding that couldn't be from here.
Come on, you claim you have evidence, evidence which, if you weren't lying, would turn the earth on it's head, give the population a major incentive to reinvigorate the space program, maybe even turn up some new technologies we could so desperately use (imagine what a left-behind advanced battery could do!) Don't wait, go drag it out and let the Nobel prize folk know how to contact you.
...oh, nevermind, you're just another lame asshole trying to drum up some stupid tourist business. Go away.
posted by Blackanvil at 1:25 PM on October 14, 2011
Come on, you claim you have evidence, evidence which, if you weren't lying, would turn the earth on it's head, give the population a major incentive to reinvigorate the space program, maybe even turn up some new technologies we could so desperately use (imagine what a left-behind advanced battery could do!) Don't wait, go drag it out and let the Nobel prize folk know how to contact you.
...oh, nevermind, you're just another lame asshole trying to drum up some stupid tourist business. Go away.
posted by Blackanvil at 1:25 PM on October 14, 2011
It's too bad those aliens never told the Mayans how to smelt iron, or clued them in on the importance of wheels, or imported some domestic draft animals tougher than the llama. Don't know what the aliens got out of the deal, but the Maya sure got screwed.
posted by Kevin Street at 1:29 PM on October 14, 2011 [7 favorites]
posted by Kevin Street at 1:29 PM on October 14, 2011 [7 favorites]
And if not Singapore, then just about any of the Scandinavian countries would do.
The Norwegians have gone in, but the only thing to come out of their camp is this Mexican hairless dog.
posted by Durn Bronzefist at 1:32 PM on October 14, 2011 [2 favorites]
The Norwegians have gone in, but the only thing to come out of their camp is this Mexican hairless dog.
posted by Durn Bronzefist at 1:32 PM on October 14, 2011 [2 favorites]
Or, "Hey, Mayans. There are other people on this planet. They have guns and diseases and stuff that will fuck your shit up, yo. Better kill or quarantine every white guy you see."
posted by Cool Papa Bell at 1:32 PM on October 14, 2011
posted by Cool Papa Bell at 1:32 PM on October 14, 2011
This is going to be anticlimactic at best. Statistically, Alien life is almost a certainty; the universe is just too big for earth to be the only place that spawned life. The real question is whether alien life has found a way to travel faster than light and if they would use that technology to visit a bassackwards place like the earth. Doubtful, very doubtful. The problem with this is going to be that they translated some ancient writings and they tell a story of “invasion by advanced beings” which of course is something that would be open to interpretation. Who could say for sure that they were talking about aliens or just some other human culture that was far more advanced than they were? Unless they pull out a raygun or spaceship it is going to be debatable evidence and at this point if you say you have proof of alien visitation, then it better be proof.
I’ll watch the documentary when it come out and do it with an open mind, but I am ready to be disappointed. It would be cool to find proof of this, but so far I haven’t ever seen anything that made me believe that aliens have been here. This stuff is usually is a case of people projecting what they want to believe into the evidence at hand.
posted by jutepanama at 1:42 PM on October 14, 2011 [1 favorite]
I’ll watch the documentary when it come out and do it with an open mind, but I am ready to be disappointed. It would be cool to find proof of this, but so far I haven’t ever seen anything that made me believe that aliens have been here. This stuff is usually is a case of people projecting what they want to believe into the evidence at hand.
posted by jutepanama at 1:42 PM on October 14, 2011 [1 favorite]
Not once are any archaeologists ever mentioned by name, and the only time the word is used is as an adjective to describe "new" discoveries. No anthropologist would be caught anywhere near the statements they are making. This is pure salesmanship to sell resort stays.
Why not use fake science to boost tourism? They already leverage implicit racist exoticism to convince people to come spend their money.
posted by clvrmnky at 1:51 PM on October 14, 2011
Why not use fake science to boost tourism? They already leverage implicit racist exoticism to convince people to come spend their money.
posted by clvrmnky at 1:51 PM on October 14, 2011
Interesting. the Maya-ET connection was discussed here a few weeks ago.
Alot of archaeology in Mexico and Guatemala has been done by Mormons trying to validate their stories...
posted by Abinadab at 1:55 PM on October 14, 2011
Alot of archaeology in Mexico and Guatemala has been done by Mormons trying to validate their stories...
posted by Abinadab at 1:55 PM on October 14, 2011
Anyone got the Vegas line on luminescent humanoids with elongated bodies vs. shapeshifting lizard people? Maybe it's the whole desert climate thing, but I'm ready to lay down a sawbuck on the shapeshifting lizards. I'm also ready to title my jazz-punk fusion combo The Shapeshifting Lizards and call our debut EP "Lay Down A Sawbuck."
posted by gompa at 1:57 PM on October 14, 2011
posted by gompa at 1:57 PM on October 14, 2011
Yo quiero creer!
posted by Uther Bentrazor at 3:52 PM on October 14, 2011 [2 favorites]
posted by Uther Bentrazor at 3:52 PM on October 14, 2011 [2 favorites]
Releasing the movie in 2012 means it will have a short run unless they get the prequel out just as soon as possible after the initial release; and word on the street is that the sequels are pretty dismal doom n' gloom.
posted by mightshould at 4:04 PM on October 14, 2011
posted by mightshould at 4:04 PM on October 14, 2011
I had an unrelated thought, not well considered but here are the beginnings:
Taken at face value, this is a huge story that the Mexican govt. is cooperating with.
Of course, we've long been conditioned to believe that any real secret (e.g. aliens) is known by the U.S., and maybe the Russians, by virtue of their power.
But of course it's more logical that e.g. Mexico, Greece, Italy, China, India have the secrets, by virtue of their long histories.
Yet even for Mayan secrets, we wait for Americans to expose them to us; we assume the President of the U.S. has it in the "book." But why would they? If Mexico has known about this for hundreds of years, they'd probably hide it from everyone. In other words, the fact that it is the "Mexican government" shouldn't make the info more suspect, but less.
posted by TheLastPsychiatrist at 5:47 PM on October 14, 2011
Taken at face value, this is a huge story that the Mexican govt. is cooperating with.
Of course, we've long been conditioned to believe that any real secret (e.g. aliens) is known by the U.S., and maybe the Russians, by virtue of their power.
But of course it's more logical that e.g. Mexico, Greece, Italy, China, India have the secrets, by virtue of their long histories.
Yet even for Mayan secrets, we wait for Americans to expose them to us; we assume the President of the U.S. has it in the "book." But why would they? If Mexico has known about this for hundreds of years, they'd probably hide it from everyone. In other words, the fact that it is the "Mexican government" shouldn't make the info more suspect, but less.
posted by TheLastPsychiatrist at 5:47 PM on October 14, 2011
It's too bad those aliens never told the Mayans how to smelt iron
Hey Mayans it's easy, you just need 8 blocks of cobblestone, a block of iron ore, a piece of coal, and 10 seconds.
posted by nathancaswell at 5:53 PM on October 14, 2011 [1 favorite]
Hey Mayans it's easy, you just need 8 blocks of cobblestone, a block of iron ore, a piece of coal, and 10 seconds.
posted by nathancaswell at 5:53 PM on October 14, 2011 [1 favorite]
Mayan Palingenesis 2012
Regina Queen of Mexico 1968
posted by hortense at 7:21 PM on October 14, 2011 [1 favorite]
Regina Queen of Mexico 1968
posted by hortense at 7:21 PM on October 14, 2011 [1 favorite]
The real question is whether alien life has found a way to travel faster than light and if they would use that technology to visit a bassackwards place like the earth.
"Great climate, interesting animals."
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posted by eddydamascene at 7:26 PM on October 14, 2011 [5 favorites]
OK, OK, I want to believe, and I enjoy traveling with Google Earth all over the Nazca area, and other places nearby, where you can look down on what look to be buried pyramids, with representations of ladders, and climbers coming down the sides. I love to speculate. Carlos Castaneda's apprentices wrote of a woman visitor from space, who was a part of the Yaqui culture. I know, I know, Castaneda was all debunked, but I still enjoy his magical thinking. I think there is a whole lot more that we do not know about the mysterious reality we are embedded in, than we do know. I hope they prove it. I take an opposing view, with regard to smelting metal. I think we could have done just fine without most of the junk we have come up with in the last 10,000 years. Meaning does not have to translate to technology.
posted by Oyéah at 8:10 PM on October 14, 2011
posted by Oyéah at 8:10 PM on October 14, 2011
A lot of comments sound like backwash from the brainwash.
posted by eggtooth at 8:38 PM on October 14, 2011
posted by eggtooth at 8:38 PM on October 14, 2011
metafilter: "lol, mexico"
posted by DJ Broken Record at 9:51 PM on October 14, 2011
posted by DJ Broken Record at 9:51 PM on October 14, 2011
Still smarting that nobody gave a fuck about your first comment, eggtooth?
posted by obiwanwasabi at 1:12 AM on October 15, 2011 [1 favorite]
posted by obiwanwasabi at 1:12 AM on October 15, 2011 [1 favorite]
@ Kevin Street
Sorry. Wrong continent, wrong empire. If you want to make sarcastic comments, try to get your geography right.
The Mayan Empire, located in Mexico (Mexico is in North America) never used llamas.
LLamas, which are native to the Andes (South America), were used as beasts of burden in the Inca Empire.
That's like asking why Sarah Palin doesn't watch sumo wrestling:
Kodiak, Alaska (North America) is 2950 miles from
Sapporo, Japan (Asia, different continent).
just like
Cancun, Mexico (Mayan area in North America) is 2600 miles from
Cuzco, Peru (Inca area in South America)
They're both kind of far apart, don't you think?
posted by juifenasie at 3:44 AM on October 15, 2011
Sorry. Wrong continent, wrong empire. If you want to make sarcastic comments, try to get your geography right.
The Mayan Empire, located in Mexico (Mexico is in North America) never used llamas.
LLamas, which are native to the Andes (South America), were used as beasts of burden in the Inca Empire.
That's like asking why Sarah Palin doesn't watch sumo wrestling:
Kodiak, Alaska (North America) is 2950 miles from
Sapporo, Japan (Asia, different continent).
just like
Cancun, Mexico (Mayan area in North America) is 2600 miles from
Cuzco, Peru (Inca area in South America)
They're both kind of far apart, don't you think?
posted by juifenasie at 3:44 AM on October 15, 2011
Okay, a simple "wrong" would have done just fine but, uh...
posted by nathancaswell at 5:01 AM on October 15, 2011
posted by nathancaswell at 5:01 AM on October 15, 2011
obiwanwasabi:
no. but the subject certainly draws predictable reactions...kneejerk, many...not a put down...
to me it just shows how overexposed the subject is...whatever media one uses...overload to the point of numbness. I feel the same about professional sports.
posted by eggtooth at 6:56 AM on October 15, 2011
no. but the subject certainly draws predictable reactions...kneejerk, many...not a put down...
to me it just shows how overexposed the subject is...whatever media one uses...overload to the point of numbness. I feel the same about professional sports.
posted by eggtooth at 6:56 AM on October 15, 2011
Hey Oyeah, I really appreciate your viewpoint. That's why just for you, I have this alien artifact I found in Mexico last year. It's only $ 500.00, and it's full of cosmic wisdom!
posted by happyroach at 11:07 AM on October 15, 2011
posted by happyroach at 11:07 AM on October 15, 2011
"The Mayan Empire, located in Mexico (Mexico is in North America) never used llamas.
LLamas, which are native to the Andes (South America), were used as beasts of burden in the Inca Empire."
Okay fine. But my point was they didn't have any tough draft animals to pull things like plows and wagons. If they didn't have llamas, then what else was there except people and maybe dogs? The cheapo aliens could have at least left them a few donkeys in exchange for building all those landing pads.
posted by Kevin Street at 2:40 PM on October 15, 2011
LLamas, which are native to the Andes (South America), were used as beasts of burden in the Inca Empire."
Okay fine. But my point was they didn't have any tough draft animals to pull things like plows and wagons. If they didn't have llamas, then what else was there except people and maybe dogs? The cheapo aliens could have at least left them a few donkeys in exchange for building all those landing pads.
posted by Kevin Street at 2:40 PM on October 15, 2011
Kevin Street:It's too bad those aliens never told the Mayans how to smelt iron, or clued them in on the importance of wheels, or imported some domestic draft animals tougher than the llama. Don't know what the aliens got out of the deal, but the Maya sure got screwed.
Heh. Hehe. Are you under the impression they didn’t understand metallurgy? I don’t know if they used “wheels” for transportation, but they were the basis of their advanced calendaring systems and it certainly didn't stop them from trading. Did you ever consider (and I’m just going off the top of my head here) that maybe they didn’t need draft animals on the same level as Europeans? That perhaps they’d developed, oh, I don’t know, some sort of advanced terraced farming system that required less physical input from animals? And yeah, they sure did get shafted with whatever knowledge, effort, and wisdom allowed them to create such paltry cities and temples as representations of their culture. Maybe I'm misunderstanding your point of view, but I don't see how they "got screwed". I also see a certain wisdom in their culture that I find almost completely absent from European culture.
I understand that there's a lot of knee-jerk reactions when people hear anything about "Mayan knowledge" these days, but please take a moment to consider how much of that is actually due to flaky new-age Americans, some of whom are outright charlatans. Not much is really known about the Maya because the conquistadors and their priests suppressed the culture, killed the people, and destroyed their knowledge. What little is left is primarily found in the Maya Codices that still remain. Some of the Elders escaped to the mountains, where they have lived without contact with Europeans for hundreds of years. Only in the last decade or so have these people decided to make contact and share their knowledge and culture with the rest of the world. They believe that we must learn.
I understand your skepticism, but you must open your heart and mind to discover those things that are outside of your current understanding. There is a whole wide world out there, and we don't know the half of it. The indigenous people of the "Americas" all had cultures, societies, ways of life and beliefs that they sustained for thousands of years. Much of this has been pushed aside, forgotten about and destroyed over the years. These things are starting to be brought forward, it is time for us, for all of our cultures, all of our people, to come together and share what we have. We have a real opportunity to learn and work together to create something better here, if only we take it.
Oh, and y'all might want to know that the Maya aren't planning for Armageddon in 2012:
Chile Pixtun, a Guatemalan [Maya Elder] , says the doomsday theories spring from Western, not Mayan, ideas.
posted by nTeleKy at 3:12 PM on October 17, 2011 [1 favorite]
Heh. Hehe. Are you under the impression they didn’t understand metallurgy? I don’t know if they used “wheels” for transportation, but they were the basis of their advanced calendaring systems and it certainly didn't stop them from trading. Did you ever consider (and I’m just going off the top of my head here) that maybe they didn’t need draft animals on the same level as Europeans? That perhaps they’d developed, oh, I don’t know, some sort of advanced terraced farming system that required less physical input from animals? And yeah, they sure did get shafted with whatever knowledge, effort, and wisdom allowed them to create such paltry cities and temples as representations of their culture. Maybe I'm misunderstanding your point of view, but I don't see how they "got screwed". I also see a certain wisdom in their culture that I find almost completely absent from European culture.
I understand that there's a lot of knee-jerk reactions when people hear anything about "Mayan knowledge" these days, but please take a moment to consider how much of that is actually due to flaky new-age Americans, some of whom are outright charlatans. Not much is really known about the Maya because the conquistadors and their priests suppressed the culture, killed the people, and destroyed their knowledge. What little is left is primarily found in the Maya Codices that still remain. Some of the Elders escaped to the mountains, where they have lived without contact with Europeans for hundreds of years. Only in the last decade or so have these people decided to make contact and share their knowledge and culture with the rest of the world. They believe that we must learn.
I understand your skepticism, but you must open your heart and mind to discover those things that are outside of your current understanding. There is a whole wide world out there, and we don't know the half of it. The indigenous people of the "Americas" all had cultures, societies, ways of life and beliefs that they sustained for thousands of years. Much of this has been pushed aside, forgotten about and destroyed over the years. These things are starting to be brought forward, it is time for us, for all of our cultures, all of our people, to come together and share what we have. We have a real opportunity to learn and work together to create something better here, if only we take it.
Oh, and y'all might want to know that the Maya aren't planning for Armageddon in 2012:
Chile Pixtun, a Guatemalan [Maya Elder] , says the doomsday theories spring from Western, not Mayan, ideas.
posted by nTeleKy at 3:12 PM on October 17, 2011 [1 favorite]
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