The Doom Tour
April 20, 2013 8:08 PM   Subscribe

In 1974, Crosby Stills, Nash and Young did a tour of stadiums, including Wembley.

"I remember how over the top everything was. Two limos parked in front of the hotel 24 hours, a separate 24 hour suite for the band - complete with food and drinks, private jets and helicopters...

Neil traveled completely separately from CSN in a tricked out RV and they only saw each other at the gigs" -- R. Mack Holbert [previously]
posted by timsteil (36 comments total) 15 users marked this as a favorite
 
Can you post a link to the source of that quote? It sounds like an interesting story, but without it I'm not clear on why it was "The Doom Tour" or why Neil was so mad at everyone.
posted by drjimmy11 at 8:15 PM on April 20, 2013


How that helicopter got into their suite I'll never know
posted by hal9k at 8:20 PM on April 20, 2013 [1 favorite]


Link to the quote
posted by timsteil at 8:23 PM on April 20, 2013


Whoa, the epic tuning that takes place at 14:50, were concerts generally like that in the early/mid 70s? I think I remember my mom telling me some bands seemed to tune forever. Was that before electric tuners? What are the chances they'd use a tuner and not tune by ear?
posted by spikeleemajortomdickandharryconnickjrmints at 9:05 PM on April 20, 2013


Stephen Stills appears to be wearing the shirt of a Louisiana State Trooper. Anybody know the significance of that (or is there one)?

EDIT: Google is your friend: "We played two shows with Stephen Stills during his dancehall club tour featuring the California Blues Band. He wore his cousin Mack's old Louisiana state trooper uniform during the show " - source
posted by spock at 9:13 PM on April 20, 2013


Graham wasn’t content to stay up all night and sleep all day so I spent much of the day with Graham wandering around visiting museums, galleries and bookstores. Once in London in 1974 Graham and I discovered a cache of early proto-photographs (camera lucida drawings) created by Sir John Hershel, the man who invented the word “photography”...
posted by ovvl at 9:28 PM on April 20, 2013


Herschel
posted by spock at 9:31 PM on April 20, 2013


For further evidence that Young really didn't want to be there, check out his phoned-in performance of 'Star of Bethlehem'. Then again, if I had to go on a world tour in the 70's with the asshole trainwrecks that were Crosby and Stills, I'd want to get the fuck out of there, too.
posted by item at 9:41 PM on April 20, 2013


"The Asshole Trainwrecks" would be a great name for a band.
posted by spock at 9:47 PM on April 20, 2013 [6 favorites]


Here's a mesmerizing version of Down By the River in the pre-Asshole Trainwrecks days, when they were just called the Assholes, showing us why people would still hope they might not suck as bad as they do in the '74 Wembly concert. What a difference four years of plentiful Bolivian marching powder will make.
posted by item at 10:07 PM on April 20, 2013 [1 favorite]


Graham purchased them for a relative pittance and later donated the bulk of them to the Getty Museum in Los Angeles where they were valued in excess of 2 million dollars!

So, Mancunian rock star buys important historic British artwork for a pittance and donates it to the richest museum in the world in LA.

And this guy is supposed to be least scummy out of the four of them? The other three must have been some real shitbags.
posted by PeterMcDermott at 12:31 AM on April 21, 2013


"I remember how over the top everything was. Two limos parked in front of the hotel 24 hours, a separate 24 hour suite for the band - complete with food and drinks, private jets and helicopters...

I recall something to this effect being said in one of the interviews in From the Byrds to the Eagles.
posted by ryanshepard at 4:30 AM on April 21, 2013


You want the best performance by Crosby Stills Nash and Young ever? EVER? It's this one, with a friend.
posted by flapjax at midnite at 5:38 AM on April 21, 2013 [8 favorites]


The 1.00 point in the video. "I'd like to hand it over to . . . one of the few people ever to earn my respect. Mr. Graham Nash."

Really, dude? One of the few people ever?

Asshole Trainwrecks indeed.
posted by Gordion Knott at 6:07 AM on April 21, 2013


> And this guy is supposed to be least scummy out of the four of them? The other three must have been some real shitbags.

There's no small number of people who pay the greatest respects to material goods and treat their fellow humans like refuse.
posted by ardgedee at 7:04 AM on April 21, 2013


Nash, author of unforgivable treacle like "Our House", always struck me as a pretty bad songwriter.
posted by thelonius at 7:55 AM on April 21, 2013


I always thought it was the great mystery of Young's career why a genius like him wanted anything to do with those three guys, whose music was almost without exception worthless.

(The exceptions: Two or three songs by Stephen Stills from Buffalo Springfield, and a couple of Crosby's Byrds songs.)
posted by JeffL at 9:01 AM on April 21, 2013



Nash, author of unforgivable treacle like "Our House", always struck me as a pretty bad songwriter.

You may want to take that up with the guy who also wrote the exquisite "Lady of the Island" from the 1st CSN album.
posted by Seekerofsplendor at 9:27 AM on April 21, 2013


I was at a show on this tour, in a huge indoor stadium that has since been torn down. I was appalled to note some younger, post-Boomer kids there who were spitting out into the air, their expectorations landing on patrons in seats far below. As I'd already come to the sad realization that these live shows never sounded anywhere as good as the studio recordings, and the sound levels were even then too dangerously loud, it was one of the last rock concerts I attended.
posted by Rash at 9:28 AM on April 21, 2013


Whoa, the epic tuning that takes place at 14:50, were concerts generally like that in the early/mid 70s? I think I remember my mom telling me some bands seemed to tune forever. Was that before electric tuners? What are the chances they'd use a tuner and not tune by ear?

Lousy guitar techs, not enough guitars to switch around, or stoned musicians. One of the gripes about American bands by the Brits back then was the ridiculous amount of tuning up before even launching into the first song. I remember reading an interview with John Paul Jones where he said American bands were easy fodder for the English to chew up because they would wank off while The Who, the Stones, or Zep would have everything ready to go and blow the crowd out of their seats with the first barrage.
posted by Ber at 9:29 AM on April 21, 2013


You want the best performance by Crosby Stills Nash and Young ever? EVER? It's this one, with a friend.

Man that is awesome. Showboatin' Stills can't stand getting upstaged, and keeps trying to out-wail Tom Jones!
posted by anazgnos at 10:13 AM on April 21, 2013 [1 favorite]


Nash, author of unforgivable treacle like "Our House", always struck me as a pretty bad songwriter.

king midas in reverse

carrie anne

dear eloise

i'm afraid it was pretty much downhill from there, though
posted by pyramid termite at 10:54 AM on April 21, 2013 [1 favorite]


Wow… lots o' grousing about what assholes they were, as if that characteristic was rare in your average rock star.

My first rock concert ever was going to see Jesse Colin Young, The Beach Boys and CSNY in Houston, probably the same tour as the Wembly footage. Yeah, they were occasionally sloppy, took time to tune up etc. They still blew me away.

Ah, but that was before the era of the charitable rock stars with the insightful songwriting and magical, pitch perfect sound that we have today.
posted by jabo at 12:33 PM on April 21, 2013


flapjax: your link also led me to this clip, which shows another side of that surprisingly versatile friend.
posted by msalt at 1:08 PM on April 21, 2013


Nash, author of unforgivable treacle like "Our House", always struck me as a pretty bad songwriter.

Immigration Man (which has a ragged version around 16 minutes in here) is pretty cool. Winchester Cathedral is good if a bit strident. Turns out he didn't write the hollies' "Bus Stop," though.
posted by msalt at 1:18 PM on April 21, 2013


You want the best performance by Crosby Stills Nash and Young ever? EVER? It's this one, with a friend.
posted by flapjax at midnite at 2:38 AM on April 21 [4 favorites +] [!]


Fuck yeah! That was amazing!!
posted by Kloryne at 1:27 PM on April 21, 2013


You want the best performance by Crosby Stills Nash and Young ever? EVER? It's this one, with a friend.

That's one of the greatest things ever. My respect for Tom Jones grows every time I see him perform just about anything.
posted by stargell at 8:52 PM on April 21, 2013


Man that is awesome. Showboatin' Stills can't stand getting upstaged, and keeps trying to out-wail Tom Jones!

Fuck yeah! That was amazing!!

That's one of the greatest things ever. My respect for Tom Jones grows every time I see him perform just about anything.


Yeah, back when I first came across that clip, on the first day of 2012, I made a Mefi post on it.
posted by flapjax at midnite at 10:26 PM on April 21, 2013


Also, Graham Nash worked with the otherworldly Judee Sill and produced "Jesus was a Crossmaker", so I'll forgive him for "Our House".

Also, it's Neil Young Week on One Week One Band, if that's how you roll...
posted by pxe2000 at 3:48 AM on April 22, 2013


This is why punk needed to happen.
posted by Mezentian at 7:41 AM on April 22, 2013


Whoa, the epic tuning that takes place at 14:50, were concerts generally like that in the early/mid 70s?

Lousy guitar techs, not enough guitars to switch around, or stoned musicians. One of the gripes about American bands by the Brits back then was the ridiculous amount of tuning up before even launching into the first song.


Peter Gabriel's inter-song stories were prompted by the incessant tuning, especially of 12-string guitars preferred by Genesis.
posted by Gungho at 9:24 AM on April 22, 2013


This is why punk needed to happen.


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posted by Herodios at 10:29 AM on April 22, 2013 [6 favorites]


My favorite dick-ish rock quote can be attributed to Stephen Stills talking to Cameron Crowe about the motivation for the 1974 CSNY tour, "We did one for the art and the music, one for the chicks. This one's for the cash."

http://www.theuncool.com/journalism/stephen-stills-creem-magazine/

see also Jimmy McDonough's "Shakey" for more CSN (and sometimes Y) obnoxiousness.
posted by Allez at 8:35 PM on April 22, 2013


I'll check out the purported non-atrocities by Nash linked above....the man must have done something good.......I REALLY hate "Our House"
posted by thelonius at 2:18 AM on April 23, 2013 [1 favorite]


Herodios wins Best Metafilter Comment Ever prize.
posted by flapjax at midnite at 8:43 AM on April 23, 2013


I think Nash earns some credits for producing this if nothing much else. Seriously though, this is grippingly bad.Stills' playing is really poor (I once believed, wrongly, that Stills was a better guitarist than Young), Poor Neil, though I guess he got paid. I love the way the recording boosts the audience reaction at the end of every shambolic, half arsed butchery of their back catalogue. Brilliant.
posted by peterkins at 2:35 PM on April 23, 2013


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