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It goes back to honoring Thomas Harris and imagery we have in the books, in the Hannibal Lecter books. So we knew that we had to have fantastic imagery that you wouldn’t see on another crime-procedural show. Being competitive and wanting to be completely different from what you see on other shows, which is usually, on a crime procedural you see a body in a room splayed out and blood, but you rarely get to see people covered with mushrooms or impaled on severed stag heads or blood eagled and the totem pole. We would sit in the room and say, “What is the image? What is the death tableau? What are we going to see that’s going to be so striking and cinematic and beautiful at the same time, but will actually be a horrible crime scene?” So every crime scene that we have has to have this element of beauty and art to it.Bryan Fuller, showrunner for NBC's Hannibal (previously), discusses each episode of the first season with the AV Club. Part 1. Part 2. Part 3. Part 4.
I'm glad they chose not to include the smoker's lungs scene as that would probably have strongly affected my enjoyment of the rest of the series. No true gourmet, much less a fastidious medical doctor gourmet, would eat the lungs of a cigarette smoker.
posted by elizardbits at 10:35 AM on July 26, 2013 [2 favorites]
posted by elizardbits at 10:35 AM on July 26, 2013 [2 favorites]
i mean IN MY PERSONAL OPINION AS SOMEONE WHO IS NOT AN ACTUAL CANNIBAL
posted by elizardbits at 10:35 AM on July 26, 2013 [10 favorites]
posted by elizardbits at 10:35 AM on July 26, 2013 [10 favorites]
AAAH I AM REALLY UPSET THAT BRYAN FULLER CONFIRMS A SPOILERY THING
posted by elizardbits at 10:39 AM on July 26, 2013
posted by elizardbits at 10:39 AM on July 26, 2013
I would smoke the lungs of a smoker.
posted by Ad hominem at 10:40 AM on July 26, 2013
posted by Ad hominem at 10:40 AM on July 26, 2013
I mean like If they donated them to me to roll up and smoke.
posted by Ad hominem at 10:41 AM on July 26, 2013
posted by Ad hominem at 10:41 AM on July 26, 2013
I love some of the food scenes though. Like the Jamon Iberico scene where him and one other guy share a $1000 ham. Why would you even eat people if you already got a $1000 Jamon Iberico in the fridge.
posted by Ad hominem at 10:45 AM on July 26, 2013 [3 favorites]
posted by Ad hominem at 10:45 AM on July 26, 2013 [3 favorites]
Not going to read this thread because I haven't seen any of this show yet, but I just want to say I will be very mad at you all if when I do see it, if it sucks. That is all.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 10:46 AM on July 26, 2013
posted by Potomac Avenue at 10:46 AM on July 26, 2013
Oh and my answer is "Within 20 minutes of a plane crashing on a desert island." And by "Minutes" I mean seconds. And by "Within" I mean after OR before.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 10:47 AM on July 26, 2013 [2 favorites]
posted by Potomac Avenue at 10:47 AM on July 26, 2013 [2 favorites]
Ad hominem: "I love some of the food scenes though. Like the Jamon Iberico scene where him and one other guy share a $1000 ham. Why would you even eat people if you already got a $1000 Jamon Iberico in the fridge."
Well, fuckit, sometimes you just wanna eat junk food, you know?
posted by boo_radley at 10:48 AM on July 26, 2013 [1 favorite]
Well, fuckit, sometimes you just wanna eat junk food, you know?
posted by boo_radley at 10:48 AM on July 26, 2013 [1 favorite]
oh my god you don't keep bellota in the fridge, you philistine
posted by elizardbits at 10:49 AM on July 26, 2013 [4 favorites]
posted by elizardbits at 10:49 AM on July 26, 2013 [4 favorites]
Looking forward to checking this out. I think the show is great. And they all have such wonderful coats! My only complaint is that the director never catches bad inflection by actors (we should get out of here vs. we should get out of here).
But yeah, the food scenes are really my favorite, well shot and the tone is pitch-perfect. If I found out I'd been served what it is later on, I'd be like barf but damn.
posted by BlackLeotardFront at 10:52 AM on July 26, 2013
But yeah, the food scenes are really my favorite, well shot and the tone is pitch-perfect. If I found out I'd been served what it is later on, I'd be like barf but damn.
posted by BlackLeotardFront at 10:52 AM on July 26, 2013
elizardbits: "bellota "
"Bellota is a spider genus of the Salticidae family (jumping spiders)."
posted by boo_radley at 10:53 AM on July 26, 2013
"Bellota is a spider genus of the Salticidae family (jumping spiders)."
posted by boo_radley at 10:53 AM on July 26, 2013
Not all of us can afford the bellota stand, I keep mine in the crisper.
posted by Ad hominem at 10:54 AM on July 26, 2013 [1 favorite]
posted by Ad hominem at 10:54 AM on July 26, 2013 [1 favorite]
but awesome at spiders!
posted by boo_radley at 10:58 AM on July 26, 2013 [6 favorites]
posted by boo_radley at 10:58 AM on July 26, 2013 [6 favorites]
Jamon Iberico de Bellota is ham made from pigs that are fed only spiders.
posted by Ad hominem at 11:01 AM on July 26, 2013 [9 favorites]
posted by Ad hominem at 11:01 AM on July 26, 2013 [9 favorites]
I will be very mad at you all if when I do see it, if it sucks.
Tell you what. This is a thread where the showrunner tells you that his intent was to lull the audience into a false sense of security about Hannibal until midway through the third episode. So watch the first three episodes, and if you think he succeeded, then keep watching.
Personally, I think the closest he came to "lulling" the audience was making us think, "Good Lord, are we going to have to wait 'til the season finale to see Hannibal do anything?" Also, separately, I'm tempted to post a five-word comment over in the plot holes thread: "Will Graham in NBC's Hannibal.
posted by cribcage at 11:03 AM on July 26, 2013 [3 favorites]
Tell you what. This is a thread where the showrunner tells you that his intent was to lull the audience into a false sense of security about Hannibal until midway through the third episode. So watch the first three episodes, and if you think he succeeded, then keep watching.
Personally, I think the closest he came to "lulling" the audience was making us think, "Good Lord, are we going to have to wait 'til the season finale to see Hannibal do anything?" Also, separately, I'm tempted to post a five-word comment over in the plot holes thread: "Will Graham in NBC's Hannibal.
posted by cribcage at 11:03 AM on July 26, 2013 [3 favorites]
I realy like the show, but he is ridiculous.
He is even more ridiculous than he was in Manhunter, and he was pretty ridiculous in that movie. Always standing in the middle of a crime scene shouting to himself.
The scene in Manhunter where he is visiting Lechter and they do these camera tricks to confuse the viewer about who is actually locked up was particularly obnoxious becaus it was so transparent.
posted by Ad hominem at 11:11 AM on July 26, 2013
He is even more ridiculous than he was in Manhunter, and he was pretty ridiculous in that movie. Always standing in the middle of a crime scene shouting to himself.
The scene in Manhunter where he is visiting Lechter and they do these camera tricks to confuse the viewer about who is actually locked up was particularly obnoxious becaus it was so transparent.
posted by Ad hominem at 11:11 AM on July 26, 2013
I would hungrily eat up Mads Mikkelsen in the nicest way possible.
posted by janey47 at 11:19 AM on July 26, 2013
posted by janey47 at 11:19 AM on July 26, 2013
So, I really love how this show looks, and I like Mads Mikkelsen's performance a lot, but is it just me, or does the scripting make no sense?
(SPOILERS)
In episode 3 there are a couple of crime scenes where people just seem to waltz in with no one stopping them or watching the police line or anything, just to be able to confront the main characters in various ways. Also, in the same episode, Lecter ludicrously manages to convince a young girl to cover up a murder in about two seconds of talking.
In the episode with the mushroom stuff, there's a bunch of horrible corpses in the woods, everyone's wondering what's up, standing around the crime scene, when, suddenly, ONE OF THEM TURNS OUT TO BE ALIVE! Shocking, in a Seven "sloth" like way! What happens to this guy who was alive? Oh, well, we're told a bit later in a throwaway bit of dialogue that he died in the ambulance on his way to the hospital. So that's that, then.
It's all very plot convenient and useful for leading up to to gruesome tableaux, but it's really sloppy writing. I wanted to like this show, I really did, and I could watch hours of the two main characters just sitting in a room talking, and it certainly looks great, but the flaws in the rest just make it really hard to watch.
posted by Joakim Ziegler at 11:19 AM on July 26, 2013
(SPOILERS)
In episode 3 there are a couple of crime scenes where people just seem to waltz in with no one stopping them or watching the police line or anything, just to be able to confront the main characters in various ways. Also, in the same episode, Lecter ludicrously manages to convince a young girl to cover up a murder in about two seconds of talking.
In the episode with the mushroom stuff, there's a bunch of horrible corpses in the woods, everyone's wondering what's up, standing around the crime scene, when, suddenly, ONE OF THEM TURNS OUT TO BE ALIVE! Shocking, in a Seven "sloth" like way! What happens to this guy who was alive? Oh, well, we're told a bit later in a throwaway bit of dialogue that he died in the ambulance on his way to the hospital. So that's that, then.
It's all very plot convenient and useful for leading up to to gruesome tableaux, but it's really sloppy writing. I wanted to like this show, I really did, and I could watch hours of the two main characters just sitting in a room talking, and it certainly looks great, but the flaws in the rest just make it really hard to watch.
posted by Joakim Ziegler at 11:19 AM on July 26, 2013
(Oh, and "bellota" means "acorn" in Spanish. The pigs from which the ham is made range in the oak forests and eat mostly acorns.)
posted by Joakim Ziegler at 11:22 AM on July 26, 2013
posted by Joakim Ziegler at 11:22 AM on July 26, 2013
There are just crazy cop movie tropes too."I need you with me on this". "You are too close to this one". "Go ahead and quit, there is the door", "you can't quit there are people out there dying". Often in the same episode.
posted by Ad hominem at 11:24 AM on July 26, 2013 [1 favorite]
posted by Ad hominem at 11:24 AM on July 26, 2013 [1 favorite]
So, I really love how this show looks, and I like Mads Mikkelsen's performance a lot, but is it just me, or does the scripting make no sense?
I only watched a few episodes before I was too consumed with anxiety over how NO ONE WAS HELPING WILL GRAHAM and OH GOD EVERYTHING IS PEOPLE, ALL THE FOOD IS PEOPLE to continue watching, but this was actually something that really worked for me, and which I assumed was a deliberate stylistic/tonal choice. Hannibal runs on a sort of surreal, dream/nightmare logic where settings change with little explanation, people move in and out of the plot at random, and everything hinges on gruesome, beautiful images and the waves of emotion associated with them. Hannibal is really really good at evoking that dream feeling, where once you've finished watching an episode, you don't necessarily remember anything about the plot or the case, but you're left with strong images and emotions.
Obviously, this works for some viewers, and doesn't for others, but I think it was the right choice for the show, since it builds tension beautifully. It's only sloppy writing if you're focused on the cases and procedural aspect, but that's not the point of the show. The point of the show is in the character interactions and the characters' journeys. Fuller himself talks about it in the interview:
In the path we had gone down initially, we laid out a version of the show for the network, and the network said that it wanted it to be much more case oriented and procedural. So we laid out that version of the show, and it was very, very expensive. And nobody wanted to increase the budget, so it was really a matter of going back to… fortunately the budget was our friend in that way, because I did want to tell a psychological horror story, and I didn’t want to spend a lot of time at crime scenes when I could be finding out what characters are going through.
posted by yasaman at 11:29 AM on July 26, 2013 [19 favorites]
I only watched a few episodes before I was too consumed with anxiety over how NO ONE WAS HELPING WILL GRAHAM and OH GOD EVERYTHING IS PEOPLE, ALL THE FOOD IS PEOPLE to continue watching, but this was actually something that really worked for me, and which I assumed was a deliberate stylistic/tonal choice. Hannibal runs on a sort of surreal, dream/nightmare logic where settings change with little explanation, people move in and out of the plot at random, and everything hinges on gruesome, beautiful images and the waves of emotion associated with them. Hannibal is really really good at evoking that dream feeling, where once you've finished watching an episode, you don't necessarily remember anything about the plot or the case, but you're left with strong images and emotions.
Obviously, this works for some viewers, and doesn't for others, but I think it was the right choice for the show, since it builds tension beautifully. It's only sloppy writing if you're focused on the cases and procedural aspect, but that's not the point of the show. The point of the show is in the character interactions and the characters' journeys. Fuller himself talks about it in the interview:
In the path we had gone down initially, we laid out a version of the show for the network, and the network said that it wanted it to be much more case oriented and procedural. So we laid out that version of the show, and it was very, very expensive. And nobody wanted to increase the budget, so it was really a matter of going back to… fortunately the budget was our friend in that way, because I did want to tell a psychological horror story, and I didn’t want to spend a lot of time at crime scenes when I could be finding out what characters are going through.
posted by yasaman at 11:29 AM on July 26, 2013 [19 favorites]
This is not a police procedural. This is the film of a poem about a nightmare about a police procedural in Iron Chef Kitchen Stadium. And let's just say that Bobby Flay is aptly named.
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 11:45 AM on July 26, 2013 [14 favorites]
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 11:45 AM on July 26, 2013 [14 favorites]
elizardbits, in which piece does he do the spoilery thing?
I really adore this show, and the fandom that goes along with it. My favorite products of the fandom (I tried googling them, and gave up) were Hannibal Montannibal and Hannibal referring to Will as "my little graham cracker." Oh my god the fandom is a goldmine for that show.
posted by neuromodulator at 11:45 AM on July 26, 2013
I really adore this show, and the fandom that goes along with it. My favorite products of the fandom (I tried googling them, and gave up) were Hannibal Montannibal and Hannibal referring to Will as "my little graham cracker." Oh my god the fandom is a goldmine for that show.
posted by neuromodulator at 11:45 AM on July 26, 2013
I like that take. It explains a lot about the level of abuse they heap on Will Graham. Gotta be a nightmare.
posted by Ad hominem at 11:51 AM on July 26, 2013
posted by Ad hominem at 11:51 AM on July 26, 2013
"Fail. I was not lulled into mistaking Mads Mikkelsen for Frasier Crane."
Tossed salads and scrambled eggs.
posted by Eideteker at 11:51 AM on July 26, 2013
Tossed salads and scrambled eggs.
posted by Eideteker at 11:51 AM on July 26, 2013
I was disappointed in the show. It had great overall design and atmosphere, great performances by the cast, but the writing left a lot to be desired. There was not much in the way of suspense, surprise or tension. Mostly just people sitting around in tastefully decorated offices discussing their problems.
posted by Mrs. Buck Turgidson at 11:52 AM on July 26, 2013 [1 favorite]
posted by Mrs. Buck Turgidson at 11:52 AM on July 26, 2013 [1 favorite]
I really adore this show, and the fandom that goes along with it.
They call themselves Fannibals.
posted by jeather at 11:53 AM on July 26, 2013
They call themselves Fannibals.
posted by jeather at 11:53 AM on July 26, 2013
They call themselves Fannibals
I prefer Hors d'oeuvres.
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 11:56 AM on July 26, 2013 [1 favorite]
I prefer Hors d'oeuvres.
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 11:56 AM on July 26, 2013 [1 favorite]
I love the dream logic that seems to infuse the show so much that the plot hole stuff does not bother me at all. The murder tableaux and grotesqueries are almost always astoundingly beautiful. The mushroom stuff and the girl with Cotard's Syndrome hiding under the bed creeped me out for days. The former gave my wife nightmares.
posted by Falconetti at 12:00 PM on July 26, 2013
posted by Falconetti at 12:00 PM on July 26, 2013
Is it weird that this is the thing that made me want to get into cooking again?
posted by invitapriore at 12:03 PM on July 26, 2013 [3 favorites]
posted by invitapriore at 12:03 PM on July 26, 2013 [3 favorites]
I could watch hours of the two main characters just sitting in a room talking
The best scenes are Mikkelsen in session with Gillian Anderson, because after seven episodes a talented actor shows up and you think, "Oh that's what Mikkelsen has been trying to do!" Ever watch The Departed and wonder why Leonardo DiCaprio's agent didn't warn him how silly his Boston accent would sound opposite Matt Damon's? Same thing here.
Fortunately, Mikkelsen's and Dancy's poor performances are outdone by the cognitive dissonance you feel at seeing one of the Kids in the Hall walking around grim crime scenes. The big reveal I'm awaiting isn't Hannibal's showdown, but Scott Thompson finally cracking into Buddy Cole.
posted by cribcage at 12:07 PM on July 26, 2013 [1 favorite]
The best scenes are Mikkelsen in session with Gillian Anderson, because after seven episodes a talented actor shows up and you think, "Oh that's what Mikkelsen has been trying to do!" Ever watch The Departed and wonder why Leonardo DiCaprio's agent didn't warn him how silly his Boston accent would sound opposite Matt Damon's? Same thing here.
Fortunately, Mikkelsen's and Dancy's poor performances are outdone by the cognitive dissonance you feel at seeing one of the Kids in the Hall walking around grim crime scenes. The big reveal I'm awaiting isn't Hannibal's showdown, but Scott Thompson finally cracking into Buddy Cole.
posted by cribcage at 12:07 PM on July 26, 2013 [1 favorite]
i mean IN MY PERSONAL OPINION AS SOMEONE WHO IS NOT AN ACTUAL CANNIBAL
So... if elizardbits weighs the same as a duck... that means...
posted by Naberius at 12:09 PM on July 26, 2013 [2 favorites]
So... if elizardbits weighs the same as a duck... that means...
posted by Naberius at 12:09 PM on July 26, 2013 [2 favorites]
Mikkelsen's and Dancy's poor performances
what.
posted by neuromodulator at 12:11 PM on July 26, 2013 [11 favorites]
what.
posted by neuromodulator at 12:11 PM on July 26, 2013 [11 favorites]
Caveat: I only watch this show because I have a major thing for bespectacled, scruffy, sporadically brilliant men who display signs of severe mental illness.
The thing that always makes me laugh riotously is that everyone on the show is totally nonchalant about eating, like, TONS of offal at all of Hannibal's dinner parties. "Dr. Lecter, thank you for inviting us to your beautiful party! What did you make?" "Oh, nothing special -- just a veal heart roulade, thymus gland pate, tongue-lung sausage, and some blood sauce. Bon appetit!"
Here's the food stylist's blog: Feeding Hannibal
Also, the woman who had Cotard's syndrome on "Hannibal" is Ellen Muth, who played George on "Dead Like Me." She's fantastic.
posted by divined by radio at 12:12 PM on July 26, 2013 [1 favorite]
The thing that always makes me laugh riotously is that everyone on the show is totally nonchalant about eating, like, TONS of offal at all of Hannibal's dinner parties. "Dr. Lecter, thank you for inviting us to your beautiful party! What did you make?" "Oh, nothing special -- just a veal heart roulade, thymus gland pate, tongue-lung sausage, and some blood sauce. Bon appetit!"
Here's the food stylist's blog: Feeding Hannibal
Also, the woman who had Cotard's syndrome on "Hannibal" is Ellen Muth, who played George on "Dead Like Me." She's fantastic.
posted by divined by radio at 12:12 PM on July 26, 2013 [1 favorite]
I don't know why we're all here instead of browsing "Hannibal Crack" on Youtube and Tumblr. (dead bodies and such in the links.)
This show is apparently also a hit in South Korea.
posted by Nonsteroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drug at 12:14 PM on July 26, 2013
This show is apparently also a hit in South Korea.
posted by Nonsteroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drug at 12:14 PM on July 26, 2013
I sometimes imagine Hugh Dancy and Claire Danes having a crazy-off at home.
And people aren't just nonchalant about eating offal, they're excited to eat offal.
posted by jeather at 12:15 PM on July 26, 2013
And people aren't just nonchalant about eating offal, they're excited to eat offal.
posted by jeather at 12:15 PM on July 26, 2013
Guys the really important discussion to be had here is which wine will we serve with our filet of cribcage
posted by elizardbits at 12:20 PM on July 26, 2013 [3 favorites]
posted by elizardbits at 12:20 PM on July 26, 2013 [3 favorites]
don't you mean ribcage?
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 12:30 PM on July 26, 2013
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 12:30 PM on July 26, 2013
Regarding lungs of cigarette smoker: cigarette smoke is chock-full of polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons. And, you know how when you sear meats to get all that delicious, caramelized browning? Those delicious brown bits contain lots of -- that's right, you guessed it! -- polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons. So it is entirely possible that the lungs of a smoker, smoked for years with smoke containing a known deliciousness-enhancing compound might actually be really tasty.
Just remember, kids: if it tastes great, there's a good chance it's carcinogenic! (If consumed in sufficient quantities, of course.) The more you know!
posted by fikri at 12:33 PM on July 26, 2013 [4 favorites]
Just remember, kids: if it tastes great, there's a good chance it's carcinogenic! (If consumed in sufficient quantities, of course.) The more you know!
posted by fikri at 12:33 PM on July 26, 2013 [4 favorites]
It's Raining Florence Henderson: "don't you mean ribcage?"
Hush, or you'll be known as "It's Braising Florence Henderson".
posted by boo_radley at 12:44 PM on July 26, 2013 [9 favorites]
Hush, or you'll be known as "It's Braising Florence Henderson".
posted by boo_radley at 12:44 PM on July 26, 2013 [9 favorites]
Oh, well, if you eat enough of it there's a chance the heart attack will kill you quickly first.
posted by Grangousier at 12:45 PM on July 26, 2013
posted by Grangousier at 12:45 PM on July 26, 2013
lungs of a smoker, smoked for years with smoke containing a known deliciousness-enhancing compound might actually be really tasty.
I knew there was an upside besides looking cool.
I'm like one of those Bellota pigs. Raised for deliciousness.
posted by Ad hominem at 12:46 PM on July 26, 2013
I knew there was an upside besides looking cool.
I'm like one of those Bellota pigs. Raised for deliciousness.
posted by Ad hominem at 12:46 PM on July 26, 2013
Every time there is a Hannibal post here, I end up learning more about food!
posted by cazoo at 12:48 PM on July 26, 2013
posted by cazoo at 12:48 PM on July 26, 2013
Jamon Iberico de Bellota is ham made from pigs that are fed only spiders.
Peter Porker was an ordinary pig—well, as ordinary as a pig destined to become Jamon Iberico de Bellota can be—until one day he ate a radioactive spider.
That's right, we know now the origin story of Spider-Pig!
posted by DevilsAdvocate at 12:49 PM on July 26, 2013 [1 favorite]
Peter Porker was an ordinary pig—well, as ordinary as a pig destined to become Jamon Iberico de Bellota can be—until one day he ate a radioactive spider.
That's right, we know now the origin story of Spider-Pig!
posted by DevilsAdvocate at 12:49 PM on July 26, 2013 [1 favorite]
Hush, or you'll be known as "It's Braising Florence Henderson".
posted by boo_ragout at 15:44 on July 26 [1 favorite +] [!]
hmm
posted by elizardbits at 12:51 PM on July 26, 2013 [3 favorites]
posted by boo_ragout at 15:44 on July 26 [1 favorite +] [!]
hmm
posted by elizardbits at 12:51 PM on July 26, 2013 [3 favorites]
I love this show, but there are two things that made me insane when I watched it:
1) Caroline Dhavernas has 500 exactly identical dresses in different color/patterns. And they're all from 1978. (Yes, Mikkelsen's suits are also sort of like that, but that's what Hannibal would do.)
2) Someone who cares about his dogs does not repeatedly leave his dogs at home alone for 87 consecutive hours with someone coming by only to let them out maybe once a day. Also, anyone who leaves a pack of 5 dogs (even apparently sedentary ones like Will's) alone together unsupervised is a grossly irresponsible idiot, and that's extra true when it's a mix of large and small dogs.
posted by FelliniBlank at 12:52 PM on July 26, 2013 [1 favorite]
1) Caroline Dhavernas has 500 exactly identical dresses in different color/patterns. And they're all from 1978. (Yes, Mikkelsen's suits are also sort of like that, but that's what Hannibal would do.)
2) Someone who cares about his dogs does not repeatedly leave his dogs at home alone for 87 consecutive hours with someone coming by only to let them out maybe once a day. Also, anyone who leaves a pack of 5 dogs (even apparently sedentary ones like Will's) alone together unsupervised is a grossly irresponsible idiot, and that's extra true when it's a mix of large and small dogs.
posted by FelliniBlank at 12:52 PM on July 26, 2013 [1 favorite]
fikri: "Regarding lungs of cigarette smoker: cigarette smoke is chock-full of polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons. And, you know how when you sear meats to get all that delicious, caramelized browning? Those delicious brown bits contain lots of -- that's right, you guessed it! -- polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons. So it is entirely possible that the lungs of a smoker, smoked for years with smoke containing a known deliciousness-enhancing compound might actually be really tasty.
Just remember, kids: if it tastes great, there's a good chance it's carcinogenic! (If consumed in sufficient quantities, of course.) The more you know!"
I'm not sure of the likelihood of this, because aren't the glycosylated proteins responsible for the bulk of the flavor in the case of browned meat? I don't think you'd be seeing much of that in a cigarette smoker's lungs.
posted by invitapriore at 12:52 PM on July 26, 2013 [2 favorites]
Just remember, kids: if it tastes great, there's a good chance it's carcinogenic! (If consumed in sufficient quantities, of course.) The more you know!"
I'm not sure of the likelihood of this, because aren't the glycosylated proteins responsible for the bulk of the flavor in the case of browned meat? I don't think you'd be seeing much of that in a cigarette smoker's lungs.
posted by invitapriore at 12:52 PM on July 26, 2013 [2 favorites]
Spider-Pig
Spider-Pig
Does whatever a Spider-Pig does
Can he swing
From a web
No he can't
He's a pig
LOOK OOOUUUTTT!
He's a Spider-Pig!
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 12:52 PM on July 26, 2013 [8 favorites]
Spider-Pig
Does whatever a Spider-Pig does
Can he swing
From a web
No he can't
He's a pig
LOOK OOOUUUTTT!
He's a Spider-Pig!
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 12:52 PM on July 26, 2013 [8 favorites]
I'm not sure of the likelihood of this, because aren't the glycosylated proteins responsible for the bulk of the flavor in the case of browned meat? I don't think you'd be seeing much of that in a cigarette smoker's lungs.
Hey, as far as actual cigarette smoke actually making human lungs taste great -- who knows! But in browned meat, there are literally hundreds of compounds that contribute to the flavor, and it appears that the volatile aromatics are among the most important contributors for perceived flavor, even though they may be measurable in only parts per billion. See, for example this paper.
posted by fikri at 1:22 PM on July 26, 2013 [1 favorite]
Hey, as far as actual cigarette smoke actually making human lungs taste great -- who knows! But in browned meat, there are literally hundreds of compounds that contribute to the flavor, and it appears that the volatile aromatics are among the most important contributors for perceived flavor, even though they may be measurable in only parts per billion. See, for example this paper.
posted by fikri at 1:22 PM on July 26, 2013 [1 favorite]
cool yeah I was just thinking about how I didn't have enough to do in the next couple of days
posted by likeatoaster at 1:30 PM on July 26, 2013 [1 favorite]
posted by likeatoaster at 1:30 PM on July 26, 2013 [1 favorite]
Guys the really important discussion to be had here is which wine will we serve with our filet of cribcage
Given the, ah, porkier qualities that human flesh is...um...said to have, I might consider a big Midi red. This Cabernet-Syrah is especially nice, and quite reasonable.
That, of course, presumes you are roasting the, ah, cut in question, or using it in a richer stew. Should one prefer to braise a...fattier portion, or prepare...charcuterie, so to speak, one might instead select a nice Alsatian Gewürztraminer. This 2009 Lucien Albrecht is very drinkable, and again, a good value for the money. It would work very well with a nice choucroute garnie.
posted by TheWhiteSkull at 1:49 PM on July 26, 2013 [1 favorite]
Given the, ah, porkier qualities that human flesh is...um...said to have, I might consider a big Midi red. This Cabernet-Syrah is especially nice, and quite reasonable.
That, of course, presumes you are roasting the, ah, cut in question, or using it in a richer stew. Should one prefer to braise a...fattier portion, or prepare...charcuterie, so to speak, one might instead select a nice Alsatian Gewürztraminer. This 2009 Lucien Albrecht is very drinkable, and again, a good value for the money. It would work very well with a nice choucroute garnie.
posted by TheWhiteSkull at 1:49 PM on July 26, 2013 [1 favorite]
Spider-Pig
Does whatever a Spider-Pig does
Previously unimagined slash fiction:
Charlotte/Wilbur
(but see what happens when that rat Templeton walks in!)
posted by Daily Alice at 1:51 PM on July 26, 2013
Does whatever a Spider-Pig does
Previously unimagined slash fiction:
Charlotte/Wilbur
(but see what happens when that rat Templeton walks in!)
posted by Daily Alice at 1:51 PM on July 26, 2013
I sometimes imagine Hugh Dancy and Claire Danes having a crazy-off at home.
I like to imagine staring contests over who can have the most thousand yard stare.
Whelks are traditionally steamed.
posted by The Whelk at 2:29 PM on July 26, 2013
I like to imagine staring contests over who can have the most thousand yard stare.
Whelks are traditionally steamed.
posted by The Whelk at 2:29 PM on July 26, 2013
The Whelk: "I sometimes imagine Hugh Dancy and Claire Danes having a crazy-off at home.
I like to imagine staring contests over who can have the most thousand yard stare.
Whelks are traditionally steamed."
Fine. You want to be steamed.
You aren't funny .
Your penmanship is atrocious and you dress in the manner of a male prostitute
There. Steamed enough yet?
posted by Samizdata at 3:11 PM on July 26, 2013 [1 favorite]
I like to imagine staring contests over who can have the most thousand yard stare.
Whelks are traditionally steamed."
Fine. You want to be steamed.
You aren't funny .
Your penmanship is atrocious and you dress in the manner of a male prostitute
There. Steamed enough yet?
posted by Samizdata at 3:11 PM on July 26, 2013 [1 favorite]
You don't meet a lot of male prostitutes do you?
posted by The Whelk at 3:33 PM on July 26, 2013 [1 favorite]
posted by The Whelk at 3:33 PM on July 26, 2013 [1 favorite]
Gerundizing characters from Battlestar Galactica?
Dr. Lecter does not approve.
posted by Dr. Zira at 3:40 PM on July 26, 2013
Dr. Lecter does not approve.
posted by Dr. Zira at 3:40 PM on July 26, 2013
"Regarding Hannibal's fashion sense: I think spread-collar shirts are atrocious, and look awful on like 99 percent of men. But! Hannibal looks great in them! So that's an interesting way that the show expanded my worldview a little. Okay!"
That's the essence of Hannibal's character. (On this show.) He's all about making things that should be awful look disturbingly good.
posted by Kevin Street at 4:02 PM on July 26, 2013 [1 favorite]
That's the essence of Hannibal's character. (On this show.) He's all about making things that should be awful look disturbingly good.
posted by Kevin Street at 4:02 PM on July 26, 2013 [1 favorite]
Mikkelsen talks a little bit about Hannibal in this article about his latest film:
Denmark Has a Riveting New Drama Starring Mads Mikkelsen: ‘The Hunt’ marks a return to form for celebrated filmmaker Thomas Vinterberg (‘Festen’), and features a dazzling turn by Mads Mikkelsen as a man wrongfully accused of child molestation. Marlow Stern talks to the director and star.
Psychopathic criminals have empathy switch: Psychopaths do not lack empathy, rather they can switch it on at will, according to new research.
posted by homunculus at 5:24 PM on July 26, 2013
Denmark Has a Riveting New Drama Starring Mads Mikkelsen: ‘The Hunt’ marks a return to form for celebrated filmmaker Thomas Vinterberg (‘Festen’), and features a dazzling turn by Mads Mikkelsen as a man wrongfully accused of child molestation. Marlow Stern talks to the director and star.
“They both have empathy,” he says. “Hannibal is using his empathy deliberately, and Lucas is dependent on others’ empathy. But Hannibal is Satan, and in many ways, Lucas is an angel.”And speaking of killers and empathy:
Psychopathic criminals have empathy switch: Psychopaths do not lack empathy, rather they can switch it on at will, according to new research.
posted by homunculus at 5:24 PM on July 26, 2013
I dunno I think spread collars look good on anyone who knows how to tie a Windsor.
posted by Ad hominem at 5:37 PM on July 26, 2013 [1 favorite]
posted by Ad hominem at 5:37 PM on July 26, 2013 [1 favorite]
Also wear a jacket with a notch lapel and make sure the notch isn't like halfway down your chest.
posted by Ad hominem at 5:40 PM on July 26, 2013
posted by Ad hominem at 5:40 PM on July 26, 2013
Is this jacket made of human skin or not?
posted by elizardbits at 6:38 PM on July 26, 2013
posted by elizardbits at 6:38 PM on July 26, 2013
asking for a friend
posted by elizardbits at 6:38 PM on July 26, 2013 [1 favorite]
posted by elizardbits at 6:38 PM on July 26, 2013 [1 favorite]
Look, this ass fat does make my pants.
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 7:27 PM on July 26, 2013 [6 favorites]
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 7:27 PM on July 26, 2013 [6 favorites]
The Whelk: "You don't meet a lot of male prostitutes do you?"
No, I was just quoting some Mystery Men. You know, when Mr. Furious won't get mad.
posted by Samizdata at 9:52 PM on July 26, 2013
No, I was just quoting some Mystery Men. You know, when Mr. Furious won't get mad.
posted by Samizdata at 9:52 PM on July 26, 2013
Samizdata wears makeup, Samizdata cries through sex, Samizdata keeps a ruler by the bed and every morning he checks-
posted by The Whelk at 9:55 PM on July 26, 2013 [2 favorites]
posted by The Whelk at 9:55 PM on July 26, 2013 [2 favorites]
The Whelk: " Samizdata wears makeup, Samizdata cries through sex, Samizdata keeps a ruler by the bed and every morning he checks-"
Samizdatas are better barbecued, not steamed. Luverly taunt though. Thumbs up!
posted by Samizdata at 10:40 PM on July 26, 2013
Samizdatas are better barbecued, not steamed. Luverly taunt though. Thumbs up!
posted by Samizdata at 10:40 PM on July 26, 2013
So I was at this fancy cafe that was beautiful and thing about the show is that I totally want Hannibal's kitchen and cooking skills. So I was telling this to my friend and was all 'i never lusted for a kitchen before but this show and the kitchen was kind of like this (gesturing to cafe) but for the fact that the meal is PEOPLE and my friend was all shush and i looked around and people were looking at me like that Harry Met Sally orgasm scene only this was more apprehensive side-eye
posted by angrycat at 3:43 AM on July 27, 2013 [3 favorites]
posted by angrycat at 3:43 AM on July 27, 2013 [3 favorites]
I don't think I've ever stuck with something for so long based entirely on the way it looks - I managed to sit through three whole episodes of incomprehensible drivel about a magical faery policeman, murkily-lit shots of tastefully appointed interiors and/or the bony face of Mads Mikkelsen my only reward.
posted by jack_mo at 5:18 AM on July 27, 2013
posted by jack_mo at 5:18 AM on July 27, 2013
does Mads wear lipstick? I've never seen lips that red.
posted by angrycat at 6:31 AM on July 27, 2013
posted by angrycat at 6:31 AM on July 27, 2013
Huh? Is Mads going to be on True Blood?
posted by homunculus at 11:02 AM on July 27, 2013
posted by homunculus at 11:02 AM on July 27, 2013
Oh, Hugh Dancy is the magical faery policeman. Duh.
Mads is a carnivorous were-deer.
posted by homunculus at 12:06 PM on July 27, 2013
Mads is a carnivorous were-deer.
posted by homunculus at 12:06 PM on July 27, 2013
Bah. "Frodo Baggins, FBI Profiler".
posted by Chitownfats at 12:56 PM on July 27, 2013
posted by Chitownfats at 12:56 PM on July 27, 2013
Magical faery policemen?
How else to describe Will Graham?! I seem to remember some hand-waving about a surfeit of empathy, but that doesn't really explain the 100% accurate fugue visions he has at crime scenes (which are shot in a style larded with supernatural telly tropes).
posted by jack_mo at 1:49 AM on August 1, 2013 [2 favorites]
How else to describe Will Graham?! I seem to remember some hand-waving about a surfeit of empathy, but that doesn't really explain the 100% accurate fugue visions he has at crime scenes (which are shot in a style larded with supernatural telly tropes).
posted by jack_mo at 1:49 AM on August 1, 2013 [2 favorites]
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