Dream of the '90s
July 26, 2013 10:42 AM   Subscribe

 
Aren't we still supposed to be ironically enjoying the 80s?
posted by Doleful Creature at 10:52 AM on July 26, 2013 [5 favorites]


HTML5? I don't think that is an authentic 90's website.
posted by bitslayer at 10:52 AM on July 26, 2013 [8 favorites]


I ironically enjoyed the 80s in the 70s.
posted by haunted by Leonard Cohen at 10:53 AM on July 26, 2013 [1 favorite]


Definitely not - no UnDeR cOnStRuCtIoN!!! gif.
posted by maryr at 10:53 AM on July 26, 2013 [2 favorites]


Also not part of a web ring. I'll be in alt.music.ironic.enjoyment
posted by cmfletcher at 10:54 AM on July 26, 2013 [8 favorites]


I won't enjoy the '90s, ironically or otherwise.
posted by 2bucksplus at 10:55 AM on July 26, 2013


I'm suck on the "Loading Awesomness" spinning disk, which, admittedly, is how I remember spending much of the 90s on the Internet.
posted by MCMikeNamara at 10:57 AM on July 26, 2013 [9 favorites]


> Aren't we still supposed to be ironically enjoying the 80s?

The first '80s party I attended was in 1994.
posted by The Card Cheat at 10:58 AM on July 26, 2013 [19 favorites]


Just tell me what CDROM to Autorun
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 10:58 AM on July 26, 2013


When you scratch an ironic 90s enjoyer you mainly just scratch of the...
posted by sparklemotion at 10:59 AM on July 26, 2013


Aren't we still supposed to be ironically enjoying the 80s?

Depends, how old are you? Over 20? Sure, why not. Under 20? What, did you dig those leg warmers out of your mom's closet?
posted by filthy light thief at 10:59 AM on July 26, 2013 [1 favorite]


I feel like I should be singing Spice Up Your Life right now.
posted by The Whelk at 11:00 AM on July 26, 2013 [3 favorites]


The Card Cheat: "The first '80s party I attended was in 1994."

I think mine was '92. But we had the good sense to call it an "early 80s" party. Also we were, basically, children.
posted by MCMikeNamara at 11:00 AM on July 26, 2013 [2 favorites]


Back then my future was far more awesome than it turned out to be.
posted by srboisvert at 11:01 AM on July 26, 2013 [17 favorites]


I am unironically enjoying this, but slightly surprised that I still know all the lyrics to East 17 songs that I'm sure I haven't heard in a decade.
posted by Coobeastie at 11:02 AM on July 26, 2013 [1 favorite]


Thankfully, unlike kids rediscovering the buried gems of goth, new wave, and synth pop in the 00s, there's really no hidden gems left uncovered from the mid to late 90s. The Internet makes everything into a everlasting now, so short of getting nostalgic for The Dysfuctional Family Circus , anything you want is readily available, reasonably well known, and currently on sale.

( unless you want new episodes of Downtown, damnit.)
posted by The Whelk at 11:03 AM on July 26, 2013


Bad ASS! I love this! And yes - everything is readily available, but remembering to go look for it is an entirely different story.
posted by PuppyCat at 11:04 AM on July 26, 2013 [3 favorites]


If the music, fashion, or whatever about the 80s, 90s, or anything else aren't to your taste, that's fine. To make this a point of disagreement with people who feel differently, and to assert that they only do so out of irony is mean-spirited and beyond cynical, and I'd kindly invite you to fuck the fuck off.
posted by 7segment at 11:07 AM on July 26, 2013


Who needs irony? I liked this song cause it reminds me of liking it when I was 12. And on that note, watch me reindentify everyone in my rough age group
posted by The Whelk at 11:12 AM on July 26, 2013 [1 favorite]


> I think mine was '92. But we had the good sense to call it an "early 80s" party.

I remember when the video for "Hey Ladies" came out in 1989 and almost everyone I knew thought it sucked because...the '70s? Ew.

This is either a sign that the pace of nostalgia has sped up or that society really wanted to forget the '70s for a good long while. Of course, by the mid-'90s the '70s were all the rage.
posted by The Card Cheat at 11:13 AM on July 26, 2013


there's really no hidden gems left uncovered from the mid to late 90s.

Hidden gems for who? There's lots of kiddies online who have been rediscovering Daria. It's pretty adorable.
posted by maryr at 11:14 AM on July 26, 2013


COME CHILDREN WE HAVE SUCH BUFFY TO SHOW YOU
posted by The Whelk at 11:16 AM on July 26, 2013 [20 favorites]


The horrible revelation is that Will Smith is older than the actor who played Uncle Phil was when Will first went to Bel Air.
posted by robocop is bleeding at 11:20 AM on July 26, 2013 [29 favorites]


GREATEST THING EVER

(today)
posted by Kitteh at 11:20 AM on July 26, 2013


This reminds me of my disappointment when I read the Buzzfeed listicle about "X things that will bring back your childhood" and I was all, no, I was totes an adult for all that. And then I felt old. Nostalgia used to be so much better...
posted by Karmakaze at 11:23 AM on July 26, 2013 [1 favorite]


> The horrible revelation is that Will Smith is older than the actor who played Uncle Phil was when Will first went to Bel Air.

Is there a website collecting these factoids? I have some friends I'd like to depress.
posted by The Card Cheat at 11:23 AM on July 26, 2013 [2 favorites]


I remember when the video for "Hey Ladies" came out in 1989 and almost everyone I knew thought it sucked because...the '70s? Ew.

what? no. you knew bad people.
posted by elizardbits at 11:25 AM on July 26, 2013 [4 favorites]


Is there a website collecting these factoids? I have some friends I'd like to depress.

You're soaking in it.

(If you got that reference, you are also closer to death than birth.)
posted by robocop is bleeding at 11:26 AM on July 26, 2013 [17 favorites]


Is there a website collecting these factoids?
Buzzfeed.com
posted by saul wright at 11:27 AM on July 26, 2013


See also: Stuff From the 90s! (funny video thing)
posted by wemayfreeze at 11:27 AM on July 26, 2013 [4 favorites]


The Card Cheat: "> The horrible revelation is that Will Smith is older than the actor who played Uncle Phil was when Will first went to Bel Air.

Is there a website collecting these factoids? I have some friends I'd like to depress.
"

Yes - The Mindset List
posted by Karmakaze at 11:28 AM on July 26, 2013


What's ironic is that U Can't Touch This debuted in 1989.

Also, I had not thought of S Club 7 in a LONG time.

you are also closer to death than birth

Unfortunately true.
posted by mrgrimm at 11:30 AM on July 26, 2013


> what? no. you knew bad people.

I *dramatic pause* WAS one of those people. Of course, with time comes wisdom.
posted by The Card Cheat at 11:32 AM on July 26, 2013


I kinda feel like this button should play "Blue (Da Ba Dee)" over and over and over and over ...
posted by mrgrimm at 11:37 AM on July 26, 2013 [3 favorites]


Obligatory article from the Onion: U.S. Dept. Of Retro Warns: 'We May Be Running Out Of Past'.
posted by fikri at 11:37 AM on July 26, 2013 [3 favorites]


I've been staring at that background hoping it's a Magic Eye 3D image.
posted by Kabanos at 11:38 AM on July 26, 2013


This is either a sign that the pace of nostalgia has sped up or that society really wanted to forget the '70s for a good long while.

I (and most of my friends) spent most of the 80s pretending that it was still the seventies. Not exactly nostalgia but just refusing to acknowledge that the suck that was the 1980s was happening.
posted by octothorpe at 11:43 AM on July 26, 2013 [1 favorite]


I was hoping for something more than a YouTube playlist of 90s music videos.
posted by straight at 11:49 AM on July 26, 2013 [1 favorite]


Kabanos: I've been staring at that background hoping it's a Magic Eye 3D image.

It's a sailboat.
posted by maryr at 11:51 AM on July 26, 2013 [7 favorites]


maryr: "Kabanos: I've been staring at that background hoping it's a Magic Eye 3D image.

It's a sailboat.
"

C'mon now, at least spoiler or ROT13 that stuff. I hadn't seen it yet!
posted by Samizdata at 11:58 AM on July 26, 2013


This is that "only 90s kids" meme. Whenever I see it I think, "and 90s adults" but then I realize I'm creepy and shouldn't talk to 25 year olds.
posted by Ad hominem at 12:08 PM on July 26, 2013 [2 favorites]


I ironically enjoyed the 80s in the 70s.

(And now we know where The William Gibsons come from.)
posted by Slap*Happy at 12:13 PM on July 26, 2013 [1 favorite]


its okay people born after 1992 dont really exist
posted by The Whelk at 12:13 PM on July 26, 2013 [11 favorites]


its okay people born after 1992 dont really exist

This checks out as legit. I myself am a trope in a Neil Stephenson novel.
posted by Slap*Happy at 12:15 PM on July 26, 2013


First time I've heard Living on My Own in 20 years!
posted by topynate at 12:25 PM on July 26, 2013


BLUE (BA DA BEE)!! I forgot about that. Thanks mrgrimm.

Now come over here and get this damn song out of my head.
posted by jennaratrix at 12:32 PM on July 26, 2013


Please. My grad school friends and I threw a "Remember the '80s" theme party in 1983.
And we did, in fact, remember them quite well at that point.
posted by the sobsister at 12:43 PM on July 26, 2013 [4 favorites]


(If you got that reference, you are also closer to death than birth.)

But, in a sense, aren't we always closer to death than birth?
(floats off on a cloud of dewy gold)
posted by the sobsister at 12:49 PM on July 26, 2013 [1 favorite]


It's not a '90s button if it doesn't include this.
posted by TheWhiteSkull at 12:49 PM on July 26, 2013 [1 favorite]


The 80's button.
posted by cashman at 12:51 PM on July 26, 2013 [1 favorite]


First time I've heard Living on My Own in 20 years!

I said the exact same thing when Bow Down Mister came on.

This must be a UK creation, no?
posted by mrgrimm at 12:52 PM on July 26, 2013




I thought this was effectively the '90s button.
posted by Johnny Assay at 1:12 PM on July 26, 2013 [1 favorite]


The following decade craftily enrobed itself in an impenetrable, nostalgia-resistant shield by STILL NOT HAVING A FUCKING NAME
posted by threeants at 1:13 PM on July 26, 2013 [1 favorite]


The Oughties.
posted by maryr at 1:19 PM on July 26, 2013 [1 favorite]


Did I really want to be reminded that I once owned a Shabba Ranks cassette?
posted by Kafkaesque at 1:23 PM on July 26, 2013 [2 favorites]


Shabba!
posted by Ad hominem at 1:33 PM on July 26, 2013 [6 favorites]


So if you where...slightly younger than me then I guess Grunge and the alt 90s didn't happen to you , Disney swooped in and grabbed those kids I guess. I was a super precociously into the flannel and zine set, but that's cause I desperately wanted to a hip teenager cause being a kid sucks and no one let's you do anything.
posted by The Whelk at 1:33 PM on July 26, 2013 [2 favorites]


Any, the elephant in the room, 90s culture remembering wise?


X-Files. You could make an argument it basically invented modern genre television, setting the form we're now growing out of.
posted by The Whelk at 1:35 PM on July 26, 2013 [1 favorite]


There's a lot of weird overlapping and confusion and way too much Spice Girls and Britney Spears going on here. "I Need Love" came out in July 1987. 1987 and the 1990s were very different places. By 1990 LL was doing "Jingling Baby" and "Around the Way Girl." Very different songs. Sort of like "Please Please Me" versus "Norwegian Wood." Though if you want to get really technical about it Radio and "Rock the Bells" made everything he did that came after it seem retro and clunky and overproduced.
posted by blucevalo at 1:38 PM on July 26, 2013


I guess we're too busy chansing waterfalls.
posted by The Whelk at 1:41 PM on July 26, 2013 [6 favorites]


I almost lost my virginity due to an X-Files continuity error.

*almost*
posted by Doleful Creature at 1:45 PM on July 26, 2013 [3 favorites]


The following decade craftily enrobed itself in an impenetrable, nostalgia-resistant shield by STILL NOT HAVING A FUCKING NAME

For better or worse, it's going to be "The Two Thousands," and the current decade will be "The Twenty Tens."
posted by mrgrimm at 1:57 PM on July 26, 2013 [2 favorites]


So if you where...slightly younger than me then I guess Grunge and the alt 90s didn't happen to you

Grunge was pretty much an American phenomenon. That why I think this button is programmed by Brits.
posted by mrgrimm at 1:59 PM on July 26, 2013


Regarding hidden gems of the 90s, there are so many. Adorable come to mind immediately. Or Sweet Jesus. The Sugar Gliders are still virtually unknown. Citizen King, Chumbawamba and LEN (you shut your face) all had a hit, but they wrote more than one song and left plenty for Future Kids to mine. Even in a culture where it's easy to copy stuff, a lot of things slip through the cracks or fall by the wayside.

Then there's all the stuff that's gotten rediscovered and found a new audience like Slowdive, Curve, Kitchens of Distinction and Keith Thornton's various guises. There's all the stuff that's just been forgotten like Invisibl Skratch Picklz. That's not even touching all the stuff outside music--90s comics and animation are going to blow someone's mind another decade from now.

Trust me--as someone who was a kid discovering the 90s in the mid/late 00s, there's plenty of unmined treasure and unmapped territory left.
posted by byanyothername at 2:13 PM on July 26, 2013 [4 favorites]


I almost lost my virginity due to an X-Files continuity error.

Jose Chung is a harsh mistress.
posted by robocop is bleeding at 2:16 PM on July 26, 2013 [5 favorites]


...is alive in Portland, Portland, Portland...
posted by Mental Wimp at 2:19 PM on July 26, 2013 [2 favorites]


You're soaking in it.

We've secretly replaced the contents of these fire extiguishers with Folger's™ Crystals. Let's see if they notice!
posted by eriko at 2:48 PM on July 26, 2013 [2 favorites]


Let's see if they notice!
Oh. Oh dear.
posted by pxe2000 at 2:54 PM on July 26, 2013


The Whelk: "The Internet makes everything into a everlasting now, so short of getting nostalgic for The Dysfuctional Family Circus , anything you want is readily available, reasonably well known, and currently on sale."

Oh, you can still find DFC archives.
posted by Chrysostom at 3:00 PM on July 26, 2013


IXNAY IXNAY
posted by The Whelk at 3:00 PM on July 26, 2013


Okay, I have yet to hit "Here and Now" by Letters to Cleo, so I declare this site BROKEN.
posted by Chrysostom at 3:06 PM on July 26, 2013 [4 favorites]


"It looks like this whole show happened in the alternate early-'90s timeline where everything was still effectively the '80s.

Right, I see people get into 90s nostalgia and so often they are really talking about the still-walking corpse of the 80s. Though, the 90s had Simpsons and Seinfeld for which they are forgiven any crimes.

For me the 90s is Sweetness and Light and Slint, and so many great women in rock, and all the other 90s music that was the fruition and blooming of the 80s underground before Radiohead ruling the long tail, the lonely apotheosis, among the shit like Coldplay and Stone Temple Pilots, the lifeless regurgitations, and now I'm old and everyone is listening to bullshit.
posted by bleep-blop at 3:13 PM on July 26, 2013 [2 favorites]


Karmakaze: Yes - The Mindset List"

That's profoundly stupid and wrong in many cases. They say that for the class of 2016...:

"Star Wars has always been just a film, not a defense strategy." Yeah, which came first again?

"They have always lived in cyberspace, addicted to a new generation of “electronic narcotics.”" ...really?

That list would be almost sweetly get off my lawn-ish, if it weren't so dumb.
posted by Joakim Ziegler at 3:17 PM on July 26, 2013


All this talk of the 90s really want to make me break out all my I AM A VERY ANGRY VERY SERIOUS TEENAGER music- where the hell did I put the Slater Kinney?
posted by The Whelk at 3:23 PM on July 26, 2013 [1 favorite]


I'm stuck in a beachhouse for the week with my huge, crazy family. Right now, they're downstairs having a pile-on about how George Zimmerman was a good guy who was misunderstood.

I clicked the button, and for one minute and fifty eight seconds, the room was flooded with the Baywatch theme song, and everything was right with the world.....
posted by schmod at 4:08 PM on July 26, 2013


filthy light thief: "Aren't we still supposed to be ironically enjoying the 80s?

Depends, how old are you? Over 20? Sure, why not. Under 20? What, did you dig those leg warmers out of your mom's closet?
"

But...

"Hi, I'm 12, and I wish I was around in the 80s, they had such better music then!"
posted by symbioid at 4:18 PM on July 26, 2013


This is like Virtual Insanity.
posted by Stonestock Relentless at 4:33 PM on July 26, 2013 [1 favorite]


I'm so happy to know the marquee tag still works in Chrome.
posted by cvp at 5:30 PM on July 26, 2013


This probably needs an epilepsy/seizure warning...
posted by limeonaire at 7:51 PM on July 26, 2013


robocop is bleeding: "You're soaking in it.

(If you got that reference, you are also closer to death than birth.)
"

You are an evil, evil person for pointing that out. There some things we just don't speak about after a certain age.
posted by InsertNiftyNameHere at 7:52 PM on July 26, 2013


Can YOU spot ?uestlove in this 90s clip?

If nothing else, the 90s had excellent popular R&B and hip-hop!
posted by droplet at 9:36 PM on July 26, 2013 [2 favorites]


Thank you, no one ever talks about how huge hip-hop was in the 90s. It wasn't my thing so I don't try to talk about it, but dear god it was everywhere and none of these "hey remember to 90s!" seem to acknowledge it existed.
posted by The Whelk at 9:58 PM on July 26, 2013 [1 favorite]


When you scratch an ironic 90s enjoyer

Anna Nicole Smith?
posted by dhartung at 11:22 PM on July 26, 2013


This.. doesn't work in Safari.

Sounds about right!
posted by phaedon at 12:57 AM on July 27, 2013 [1 favorite]


Reminds me of the Improv Everywhere Old Timey 1997 Photo Booth.
posted by NoraReed at 1:28 AM on July 27, 2013


Were kind of gaudy prints a thing in the 90s? Like, subdued floral prints (and that kind of thing) on men. Because I've been seeing them around recently and they seem very 90s and i don't know what to think of it. I also remember seeing them on Xander in the earlier Buffy seasons.

In terms of retro 90s stuff: Kanye's new album has a heavy industrial influence, also get on Tumblr pretty much any time and look at all the Pokemon and Zelda GIFs. Infinite Jest, which got explosively popular pretty recently, is basically 90s retro-future. Plus all the anime from the early 90s reached American kids around 2000, and it has a very particular dated aesthetic.
posted by vogon_poet at 2:24 AM on July 27, 2013 [1 favorite]


At least punk's not dead, right?
posted by Mezentian at 3:31 AM on July 27, 2013


Roxette came up for me, which is either a product of the Disney '90s Timeline or just an anachronism, as Roxette sashayed through America's heart in its chrome sports bra for a hot minute in the late 1980s and was never seen again, to my knowledge (by Americans...as noted above, it seems very likely the button is a UK thing, where perhaps some stuff unfolded a little differently).

The following decade craftily enrobed itself in an impenetrable, nostalgia-resistant shield by STILL NOT HAVING A FUCKING NAME

No one loved it enough to give it a name. Actually, just no one loved it. I still wake up some mornings just happy it's over.

X-Files. You could make an argument it basically invented modern genre television, setting the form we're now growing out of.

The X-Files seemed to take a lot of what was happening in Twin Peaks and make it palatable, and that's a thing, but as time goes on I think the real antecedents of today's TV are Dallas and Falcon Crest and stuff like that, since now everything's a soap opera.
posted by kittens for breakfast at 5:30 AM on July 27, 2013


I graduated high school in 1990. Looking back, the 90s were a very strange decade for me. Things started off promising enough: in my neck of the woods, rave was really coming up, grunge was strangling spandex metal to death, "alternative" music was an actual genre with whole radio stations dedicated to what were ostensibly pop bands trying to do something new, the Riot Grrrl movement, Lollapalooza, Lillith Fair ... and then, somewhere around '95 or '96, the rug was ripped out from under us, and suddenly it was frat ska, Nu Metal, juggalos, and the most non-Woodstock Woodstock ever.

So when it comes to 90s nostalgia, I always cringe a bit, wondering what the person waxing nostalgic is nostalgic for: the early part that was good, or the slog of shit that ended the decade.

For me, one of the best songs of the early part of the decade was "Here and Now", by Letters to Cleo. I listen to it today and I'm still impressed with how well written this song is. This is how I prefer to remember the decade. That and the inexplicable rise of vests with collarless shirts.
posted by Marisa Stole the Precious Thing at 6:17 AM on July 27, 2013 [4 favorites]


It's not a '90s button if it doesn't include this.
posted by TheWhiteSkull at 2:49 PM on July 26


Or this!
posted by gimonca at 6:36 AM on July 27, 2013


Roxette came up for me, which is either a product of the Disney '90s Timeline or just an anachronism, as Roxette sashayed through America's heart in its chrome sports bra for a hot minute in the late 1980s and was never seen again, to my knowledge (by Americans...as noted above, it seems very likely the button is a UK thing, where perhaps some stuff unfolded a little differently).

I don't like saying this, but you are incorrect.
"The Look" charted internationally in 1989 (which, as an aside, counts as the 1990s in terms of music), and they didn't fade out until 1991 ("Joyride"), or some other song I'm not able to recall in 1993.

In fact, looking at the Wiki page, they are still big in Germany.
posted by Mezentian at 6:46 AM on July 27, 2013


"The Look" charted internationally in 1989 (which, as an aside, counts as the 1990s in terms of music),

Um

and they didn't fade out until 1991 ("Joyride"), or some other song I'm not able to recall in 1993.

Yeah, I guess that completely missed me, although I do have an incredibly vague memory of "Joyride" now. My 1991 did not intersect with this sort of thing!
posted by kittens for breakfast at 6:53 AM on July 27, 2013


Um

No, really, music and pop culture aren't strictly defined by their years. It's the vibe of the thing.

My 1991 did not intersect with this sort of thing!

Nor did mine, strangely.
It was a funny time. The last gasp of the Big Labels, such as they were.
posted by Mezentian at 7:26 AM on July 27, 2013


No, really, music and pop culture aren't strictly defined by their years. It's the vibe of the thing.

Even so, I would think of Roxette as much more an '80s band than a '90s one. The early '90s to me are about grunge and political rap and industrial rock, and of the three Roxette's wimpy pop with a dash of Sprockets...well, it doesn't fit in any of the categories, really. I mean, okay, Depeche Mode was in there someplace, too, and I guess maybe Roxette lived down the street from that...like, WAY down the street. I think they would have fit in well in the early '80s or the late '90s, but in the early '90s they just seemed kind of weird.
posted by kittens for breakfast at 8:00 AM on July 27, 2013


That letters from Celo video...I had never heard the song but I could date the shooting of that video to within a few months based on the hair alone. Dear lordly that is some super Alt 90s visuals right there.

Hey remember the brief goth revival a year or so back? And all the slow creep of Industral into pop music? The dead are rising.
posted by The Whelk at 8:31 AM on July 27, 2013 [1 favorite]


The first example of "Super Alt 90s visuals" that springs to mind for me is Soundgarden's Black Hole Sun. I recall many minds blown at the time. This video is so 90s that all it needs is a cameo from Matthew Perry to achieve singularity.
posted by Marisa Stole the Precious Thing at 11:07 AM on July 27, 2013 [1 favorite]


So when it comes to 90s nostalgia, I always cringe a bit, wondering what the person waxing nostalgic is nostalgic for

I'm pretty sure this is a not so subtle dig at the flannel vest with a grey hood that I bought at Miller's Outpost circa 1992. What was that about?
posted by ActingTheGoat at 1:41 PM on July 27, 2013 [1 favorite]


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