"He did away with the propaganda machine and did it for all of us"
August 31, 2013 1:16 PM   Subscribe

posted by mr. strange at 1:40 PM on August 31, 2013

Awesome. Well deserved.
posted by nevercalm at 2:00 PM on August 31, 2013

Well said.
posted by bearwife at 2:39 PM on August 31, 2013

Applebaum's speech and Snowden's statement gives me hope. We will win this, not because the advocates of Internet privacy are brilliant, or numerous, but because are right.
posted by pashdown at 4:56 PM on August 31, 2013 [1 favorite]

Speaking of whistleblowers, here's an interesting piece on Manning's contribution to the Arab Spring:

Chelsea Manning and the Arab Spring: A Tribute to Chelsea Manning from Tunisia
posted by homunculus at 7:18 PM on August 31, 2013 [3 favorites]

www.appelbaum.net is down. I smell a conspiracy!

NSA anyone?
posted by cjorgensen at 7:51 PM on August 31, 2013

Nicely said, indeed. The speech’s last few minutes putting things in the context of Germany are especially well thought out, and memorable.
posted by LeLiLo at 9:53 PM on August 31, 2013 [1 favorite]

www.appelbaum.net is down.

Just the work of a patriotic 'white hat' hacker.
posted by oneswellfoop at 12:55 AM on September 1, 2013

Has anyone got a transcript up?
posted by Joe in Australia at 3:44 AM on September 1, 2013 [1 favorite]

www.appelbaum.net is always down. As far as I can remember.
posted by Agent_X_ at 6:19 AM on September 1, 2013

posted by ruelle at 10:26 AM on September 5, 2013

The President's remarks were a diplomatic lie. Of course he knows what the NSA is doing, in as much detail as he cares to bother with. He didn't want to address the allegations at that time, so he lied and said that he needs to look into them.
posted by Joe in Australia at 2:12 AM on September 8, 2013

We're likely about to learn that the NSA conducts industrial espionage against friendly nations of the sort we criticize China for doing :

"US intelligence services are making routine use around the world of government-built malware that differs little in function from the 'advanced persistent threats' that US officials attribute to China. The principal difference, US officials told The Post, is that China steals US corporate secrets for financial gain." - Washington Post

"[The NSA] does ***not*** engage in economic espionage in any domain, including cyber." - NSA spokesman

"One big problem the NSA and US government generally have had since our reporting began is that their defenses offered in response to each individual story are quickly proven to be false by the next story, which just further undermines their credibility around the world. That NSA denial I just excerpted above has already been disproven by several reports .. but after Sunday, I think it will prove to be perhaps the NSA's most misleading statement yet." - Glen Greenwald

There is a sweeping amount of good that could come from this, like other nations developing or expanding their own native integrated circuit manufacturers*, foreign businesses getting behind user-friendly cryptography, etc.

* There is no reason for India, Brazil, Argentina, and South Africa not to have any domestic fabs to speak of. And obviously France, Germany, Austria, etc. could back native microcontroller lines through companies like Alcatel, Siemens AG, ams AG, etc.
posted by jeffburdges at 2:22 AM on September 8, 2013

I'm starting to wonder if many of the intrusions ascribed to China were actually coming from the NSA. We know the NSA was trying to breach companies' security, and they don't seem to have a uniformly high level of operational ability. Blaming China makes a great cover story, particularly if China was actually doing it too. If the targets swallowed the story they might have even invited the NSA in to advise them on data security, which would make the NSA's job so much easier. It's win-win!
posted by Joe in Australia at 3:50 AM on September 8, 2013 [1 favorite]

I highly recommend watching Surveillance Teach-In by Laura Poitras with Jacob Appelbaum and Bill Binney.
posted by jeffburdges at 5:20 PM on September 8, 2013 [1 favorite]

I disagree with one important point in Conspiracy Theories and the NSA by Bruce Schneier, not sure if that got mentioned here or elsewhere, but it fits here.

We maybe reduced the worst abused of Hoover's FBI, but we never actually reined in the FBI even after Hoover's death. It's remains an agency doing the incompatible jobs of both police and intelligence work. It continues to eschews useful policing or intelligence gathering in favor of political stunts.

We're not talking about a maniacal leader steering an agency off the path, certainly Keith Alexander is a bad dude, but he is just a symptom. The disease is mixing power and secrecy.

We observe a similar mix of power and lack of accountability throughout the DOJ, especially in bargaining, such as Aaron Swartz' CFAA prosecution.
posted by jeffburdges at 4:08 AM on September 9, 2013

The Banality of Systemic Evil (previously)
posted by jeffburdges at 7:30 PM on September 16, 2013

Anyone interested in a Tor.SE site?
posted by jeffburdges at 7:23 AM on September 20, 2013

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