Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominations Announced
October 16, 2013 8:50 AM Subscribe
The 2014 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame nominations are out, headlined by Nirvana, thanks to its 1988 cover of Love Buzz that just meets the 25-year eligibility requirement.
Nirvana is the only first-time-eligible nominee this year, but other first-time nominees include Peter Gabriel (as a solo artist; inducted in 2009 as part of Genesis), Hall and Oates, the Replacements, Linda Ronstadt, Link Wray, Yes, and the Zombies.
The remaining nominees (who have each been nominated before) are Chic, Deep Purple, Kiss, LL Cool J, the Meters, N.W.A., the Paul Butterfield Blues Band, and Cat Stevens / Yusuf Islam.
Fans can vote for the second year -- the top five acts in fan voting will be counted among the 600 other voters.
Despite being eligible since 2004 and a decade-long Internet campaign, "Weird Al" Yankovic was not nominated.
Nirvana is the only first-time-eligible nominee this year, but other first-time nominees include Peter Gabriel (as a solo artist; inducted in 2009 as part of Genesis), Hall and Oates, the Replacements, Linda Ronstadt, Link Wray, Yes, and the Zombies.
The remaining nominees (who have each been nominated before) are Chic, Deep Purple, Kiss, LL Cool J, the Meters, N.W.A., the Paul Butterfield Blues Band, and Cat Stevens / Yusuf Islam.
Fans can vote for the second year -- the top five acts in fan voting will be counted among the 600 other voters.
Despite being eligible since 2004 and a decade-long Internet campaign, "Weird Al" Yankovic was not nominated.
If Weird Al isn't Rock 'n' Roll, then nothing is.
posted by Strange Interlude at 8:56 AM on October 16, 2013 [19 favorites]
posted by Strange Interlude at 8:56 AM on October 16, 2013 [19 favorites]
KISS is an interesting case. Their contributions as a model of rock and roll lifestyle, self-promotion, and excess far outshine their actual music. Inclusion in the Hall on the basis of their crafted image, and not so much the music? Why not? There are certainly weaker choices in there...
posted by Capt. Renault at 8:59 AM on October 16, 2013 [1 favorite]
posted by Capt. Renault at 8:59 AM on October 16, 2013 [1 favorite]
I think every nominee should cover every other nominees songs during the show.
posted by Lipstick Thespian at 8:59 AM on October 16, 2013 [7 favorites]
posted by Lipstick Thespian at 8:59 AM on October 16, 2013 [7 favorites]
Despite being eligible since 2004 and a decade-long Internet campaign, "Weird Al" Yankovic was not nominated.
I think if we limited honorees to those parodied by him, this annual event would be much more satisfying. Finaly DeBarge would break through!
posted by AloneOssifer at 8:59 AM on October 16, 2013 [4 favorites]
I think if we limited honorees to those parodied by him, this annual event would be much more satisfying. Finaly DeBarge would break through!
posted by AloneOssifer at 8:59 AM on October 16, 2013 [4 favorites]
How in the hell is Link Wray not in there already? That guy is like the most rock and roll guy ever. Honestly, it's pretty mind-blowing that half of these bands haven't been inducted before now. Deep Purple? KISS? The Zombies? What was the hold up?
posted by Hoopo at 9:05 AM on October 16, 2013 [8 favorites]
posted by Hoopo at 9:05 AM on October 16, 2013 [8 favorites]
Deep Purple? KISS? The Zombies? What was the hold up?
Jann Wenner and Dave Marsh don't like 'em. Same with Yes.
posted by Ber at 9:06 AM on October 16, 2013 [7 favorites]
Jann Wenner and Dave Marsh don't like 'em. Same with Yes.
posted by Ber at 9:06 AM on October 16, 2013 [7 favorites]
I think if we limited honorees to those parodied by [Weird Al], this annual event would be much more satisfying.
Kurt Cobain himself said that he knew Nirvana had made it not when they were the musical guests on Saturday Night Live, but when Weird Al called them up backstage at SNL to ask for permission to do "Smells Like Nirvana" (it was the only way he could get hold of them, because he was friends with Victoria Jackson from when they made UHF). Cobain is not the only artist who has said that Weird Al parodying his song was the real indicator of success. Even Rolling Stone (albeit masking their True Faith via an online poll) admits that Weird Al is the greatest omission.
posted by Etrigan at 9:07 AM on October 16, 2013 [6 favorites]
Kurt Cobain himself said that he knew Nirvana had made it not when they were the musical guests on Saturday Night Live, but when Weird Al called them up backstage at SNL to ask for permission to do "Smells Like Nirvana" (it was the only way he could get hold of them, because he was friends with Victoria Jackson from when they made UHF). Cobain is not the only artist who has said that Weird Al parodying his song was the real indicator of success. Even Rolling Stone (albeit masking their True Faith via an online poll) admits that Weird Al is the greatest omission.
posted by Etrigan at 9:07 AM on October 16, 2013 [6 favorites]
I just voted for Chic, Hall and Oates, LL Cool J, The Meters and NWA.
posted by box at 9:08 AM on October 16, 2013
posted by box at 9:08 AM on October 16, 2013
Nirvana, Peter Gabriel, Paul Butterfield Blues Band.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 9:11 AM on October 16, 2013
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 9:11 AM on October 16, 2013
Does The Replacements' reunion do anything at all to eve ate their chances beyond it's-an-honor-just-to-be-nominated status?
posted by DirtyOldTown at 9:13 AM on October 16, 2013
posted by DirtyOldTown at 9:13 AM on October 16, 2013
Dumb question: who are Paul Butterfield Blues Band?
(Other dumb question: there are people who care about the rock and roll hall of fame???)
posted by MartinWisse at 9:14 AM on October 16, 2013 [1 favorite]
(Other dumb question: there are people who care about the rock and roll hall of fame???)
posted by MartinWisse at 9:14 AM on October 16, 2013 [1 favorite]
Color me shocked that the 'Mats got nominated. That feels...weird.
posted by Kitteh at 9:16 AM on October 16, 2013 [1 favorite]
posted by Kitteh at 9:16 AM on October 16, 2013 [1 favorite]
their contributions as a model of rock and roll lifestyle, self-promotion, and excess far outshine their actual music
I dunno. I'm a bit young to have been a KISS fan at the time, and never really got into them, but it's surprising how many times I'll hear a song on the radio and say to myself "hey that's catchy/a great riff" and then find out it was KISS. Just Monday that happened when my wife and I were grabbing a bite to eat and "Strutter" came on.
posted by Hoopo at 9:16 AM on October 16, 2013 [1 favorite]
I dunno. I'm a bit young to have been a KISS fan at the time, and never really got into them, but it's surprising how many times I'll hear a song on the radio and say to myself "hey that's catchy/a great riff" and then find out it was KISS. Just Monday that happened when my wife and I were grabbing a bite to eat and "Strutter" came on.
posted by Hoopo at 9:16 AM on October 16, 2013 [1 favorite]
Zombies, Meters, Yes, Nirvana, Hall and fucking Oats
posted by Beardman at 9:24 AM on October 16, 2013 [1 favorite]
posted by Beardman at 9:24 AM on October 16, 2013 [1 favorite]
I had to vote for NWA. I listened to Straight Outta Compton the other day and it still hits like an atom bomb. I'm a lot more amenable to Nirvana since the re-release of In Utero forced me to listen to them with fresh ears again.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 9:24 AM on October 16, 2013
posted by DirtyOldTown at 9:24 AM on October 16, 2013
Dumb question: who are Paul Butterfield Blues Band?
Click here to be enlightened.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 9:26 AM on October 16, 2013 [1 favorite]
Click here to be enlightened.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 9:26 AM on October 16, 2013 [1 favorite]
MartinWisse: Paul Butterfield Blues Band were an American entrant into the mid/late sixties exploration of Chicago blues sounds by rock bands. That's a sound I find kind of derivative and overrated, but they were great musicians and Butterfield himself was a shit hot harmonica player.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 9:29 AM on October 16, 2013 [1 favorite]
posted by DirtyOldTown at 9:29 AM on October 16, 2013 [1 favorite]
Straight Outta Compton the other day and it still hits like an atom bomb.
Atom bomb. Yes. Rock and roll? Maybe if I play it backwards.
posted by three blind mice at 9:30 AM on October 16, 2013 [2 favorites]
Atom bomb. Yes. Rock and roll? Maybe if I play it backwards.
posted by three blind mice at 9:30 AM on October 16, 2013 [2 favorites]
Whether rap counts as rock n' roll enough for rap acts to belong in the Hall of Fame is a question that's already been decided, with Grandmaster Flash & the Furious Five, Run DMC, and Public Enemy already all admitted.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 9:36 AM on October 16, 2013 [5 favorites]
posted by DirtyOldTown at 9:36 AM on October 16, 2013 [5 favorites]
And for my money, there are frightfully few acts already in the Hall who rock half as hard as NWA.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 9:37 AM on October 16, 2013 [8 favorites]
posted by DirtyOldTown at 9:37 AM on October 16, 2013 [8 favorites]
Well, Public Enemy is in there. And whatever P.E. exhibited musically that got them in, I'm guessing NWA would qualify with the same rationale as well. And LL needs to be in there because Ladies Love cool James.
Induction Process
"To be eligible for induction as an artist (as a performer, composer, or musician) into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, the artist must have released a record, in the generally accepted sense of that phrase, at least 25 years prior to the year of induction; and have demonstrated unquestionable musical excellence.
We shall consider factors such as an artist's musical influence on other artists, length and depth of career and the body of work, innovation and superiority in style and technique, but musical excellence shall be the essential qualification of induction."
....
"Leaders in the music industry joined together in 1983 to establish the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Foundation. One of the Foundation’s many functions is to recognize the contributions of those who have had a significant impact on the evolution, development and perpetuation of rock and roll by inducting them into the Hall of Fame."
posted by cashman at 9:37 AM on October 16, 2013
Induction Process
"To be eligible for induction as an artist (as a performer, composer, or musician) into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, the artist must have released a record, in the generally accepted sense of that phrase, at least 25 years prior to the year of induction; and have demonstrated unquestionable musical excellence.
We shall consider factors such as an artist's musical influence on other artists, length and depth of career and the body of work, innovation and superiority in style and technique, but musical excellence shall be the essential qualification of induction."
....
"Leaders in the music industry joined together in 1983 to establish the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Foundation. One of the Foundation’s many functions is to recognize the contributions of those who have had a significant impact on the evolution, development and perpetuation of rock and roll by inducting them into the Hall of Fame."
posted by cashman at 9:37 AM on October 16, 2013
Deep Purple isn't ... wha..?
I suppose I shouldn't be surprised, but... dude, Highway Star.
posted by louche mustachio at 9:43 AM on October 16, 2013 [6 favorites]
I suppose I shouldn't be surprised, but... dude, Highway Star.
posted by louche mustachio at 9:43 AM on October 16, 2013 [6 favorites]
If Weird Al isn't Rock 'n' Roll, then nothing is.
QFmfingT.
posted by louche mustachio at 9:44 AM on October 16, 2013 [4 favorites]
QFmfingT.
posted by louche mustachio at 9:44 AM on October 16, 2013 [4 favorites]
And DEVO still hasn't been nominated.
posted by SansPoint at 9:45 AM on October 16, 2013 [6 favorites]
posted by SansPoint at 9:45 AM on October 16, 2013 [6 favorites]
Rock and roll? Maybe if I play it backwards.
The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame long ago decided that it would be a Popular Music From About 1950 Onward Hall of Fame -- the very first class of inductees included James Brown, Ray Charles and Sam Cooke, all of whom deserve to be in any Hall of Fame up to and including the Wisconsin Hockey Hall of Fame if they damn well want to and none of whom are really "rock and roll" musicians.
posted by Etrigan at 9:47 AM on October 16, 2013 [7 favorites]
The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame long ago decided that it would be a Popular Music From About 1950 Onward Hall of Fame -- the very first class of inductees included James Brown, Ray Charles and Sam Cooke, all of whom deserve to be in any Hall of Fame up to and including the Wisconsin Hockey Hall of Fame if they damn well want to and none of whom are really "rock and roll" musicians.
posted by Etrigan at 9:47 AM on October 16, 2013 [7 favorites]
seriously though it's like none of these people have ever gone on a road trip.
posted by louche mustachio at 9:52 AM on October 16, 2013 [1 favorite]
posted by louche mustachio at 9:52 AM on October 16, 2013 [1 favorite]
This means I get to rock my "I VOTED" sticker two days in a row.
Peter Gabriel, Meters, Replacements, Chic.
posted by pxe2000 at 9:56 AM on October 16, 2013
Peter Gabriel, Meters, Replacements, Chic.
posted by pxe2000 at 9:56 AM on October 16, 2013
not voting today... lazy... just stay in bed
posted by maggieb at 9:58 AM on October 16, 2013 [1 favorite]
posted by maggieb at 9:58 AM on October 16, 2013 [1 favorite]
Can we get Axl Rose to present Nirvana? For lulz.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 10:00 AM on October 16, 2013 [1 favorite]
posted by DirtyOldTown at 10:00 AM on October 16, 2013 [1 favorite]
Deep Purple? KISS? The Zombies? What was the hold up?
Jann Wenner and Dave Marsh don't like 'em. Same with Yes.
So there's hope still for the Monkees, then!
posted by Lucinda at 10:03 AM on October 16, 2013
Jann Wenner and Dave Marsh don't like 'em. Same with Yes.
So there's hope still for the Monkees, then!
posted by Lucinda at 10:03 AM on October 16, 2013
Chuck Berry's birthday is in 2 days. And the man who helped start Rock and Roll is still performing. How Rock and Roll is that.
posted by cashman at 10:04 AM on October 16, 2013 [2 favorites]
posted by cashman at 10:04 AM on October 16, 2013 [2 favorites]
Rock and roll? Maybe if I play it backwards.
Yeah, this is something that annoys the hell out of me. It's rock and roll if an angry teenager can hear it and it makes them say "YES!" or if an old lady thinks it's too loud or Tipper Gore thought it was dirty or if it reminds the middle age guy of when he was the angry young teenager.
Rock and Roll is not just dudes with electric guitars. It is the music of rebellion, of the moment, and of it's time.
I'm off to vote for NWA.
posted by teleri025 at 10:06 AM on October 16, 2013 [7 favorites]
Yeah, this is something that annoys the hell out of me. It's rock and roll if an angry teenager can hear it and it makes them say "YES!" or if an old lady thinks it's too loud or Tipper Gore thought it was dirty or if it reminds the middle age guy of when he was the angry young teenager.
Rock and Roll is not just dudes with electric guitars. It is the music of rebellion, of the moment, and of it's time.
I'm off to vote for NWA.
posted by teleri025 at 10:06 AM on October 16, 2013 [7 favorites]
...none of whom are really "rock and roll" musicians
Depending, of course, on your definition of "rock and roll." Each of the three artists mentioned have recorded songs about singing, playing, listening or dancing to rock and roll. Personally, I regard each of them as more rock and roll than Bill Haley, for example, who nonetheless absolutely belongs in the Hall for his immense influence in opening the door of popularity for all the acts who followed him.
posted by ogooglebar at 10:16 AM on October 16, 2013
Depending, of course, on your definition of "rock and roll." Each of the three artists mentioned have recorded songs about singing, playing, listening or dancing to rock and roll. Personally, I regard each of them as more rock and roll than Bill Haley, for example, who nonetheless absolutely belongs in the Hall for his immense influence in opening the door of popularity for all the acts who followed him.
posted by ogooglebar at 10:16 AM on October 16, 2013
Weird Al is sui generis - certainly Hall of Fame-worthy, but not Rock and Roll.
I just saw him in concert a couple weeks ago. He is about as rock and roll as one can get. Seriously, he and his band both rocked the motherfucking house down.
He's also outlasted most of the artists he's parodied.
Atom bomb. Yes. Rock and roll? Maybe if I play it backwards.
It's kind of like that definition of pornography: I don't know what it is, but I know it when I see (hear) it. PE and NWA are both, without a doubt, rock and roll.
posted by bondcliff at 10:17 AM on October 16, 2013 [2 favorites]
I just saw him in concert a couple weeks ago. He is about as rock and roll as one can get. Seriously, he and his band both rocked the motherfucking house down.
He's also outlasted most of the artists he's parodied.
Atom bomb. Yes. Rock and roll? Maybe if I play it backwards.
It's kind of like that definition of pornography: I don't know what it is, but I know it when I see (hear) it. PE and NWA are both, without a doubt, rock and roll.
posted by bondcliff at 10:17 AM on October 16, 2013 [2 favorites]
Yeah, when first I heard Straight Outta Compton and It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back as a youngster, I remember thinking, "OK, this is what Rock and Roll is now. Two guitarists, a bass player, and a drummer are going to be considered quaint in a few years.
Now Gangsta Rap is Old People Music and the kids today are listening to drubstep or whatever.
posted by Cookiebastard at 10:18 AM on October 16, 2013 [2 favorites]
Now Gangsta Rap is Old People Music and the kids today are listening to drubstep or whatever.
posted by Cookiebastard at 10:18 AM on October 16, 2013 [2 favorites]
Link Wray has 1.43% of the vote to get into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame. This guy right here. The guy Jimmy Page freaks out like a teenager over at the beginning of "It Might Get Loud." This guy:
When Link Wray released the thrilling, ominous "Rumble" in 1958, it became one of the only instrumentals ever to be banned from radio play – for fear that it might incite gang violence. By stabbing his amplifier's speaker cone with a pencil, Wray created the distorted, overdriven sound that would reverberate through metal, punk and grunge. Wray, who proudly claimed Shawnee Indian ancestry and lost a lung to tuberculosis, was the archetypal leather-clad badass, and his song titles alone – "Slinky," "The Black Widow" – convey the force and menace of his playing. "He was fucking insane," said the Black Keys' Dan Auerbach. "I would listen to 'Some Kinda Nut,' over and over. It sounded like he was strangling the guitar – like it was screaming for help." When Wray died in 2005, Bob Dylan and Bruce Springsteen both performed "Rumble" onstage in tribute. "If it hadn't been for Link Wray and 'Rumble,'" said Pete Townshend, "I would have never picked up a guitar."
In short, vote Link Wray because if you don't you're objectively wrong. The rest of your votes are up to you but you can contact me for the correct answers at any time.
posted by Hoopo at 10:30 AM on October 16, 2013 [20 favorites]
When Link Wray released the thrilling, ominous "Rumble" in 1958, it became one of the only instrumentals ever to be banned from radio play – for fear that it might incite gang violence. By stabbing his amplifier's speaker cone with a pencil, Wray created the distorted, overdriven sound that would reverberate through metal, punk and grunge. Wray, who proudly claimed Shawnee Indian ancestry and lost a lung to tuberculosis, was the archetypal leather-clad badass, and his song titles alone – "Slinky," "The Black Widow" – convey the force and menace of his playing. "He was fucking insane," said the Black Keys' Dan Auerbach. "I would listen to 'Some Kinda Nut,' over and over. It sounded like he was strangling the guitar – like it was screaming for help." When Wray died in 2005, Bob Dylan and Bruce Springsteen both performed "Rumble" onstage in tribute. "If it hadn't been for Link Wray and 'Rumble,'" said Pete Townshend, "I would have never picked up a guitar."
In short, vote Link Wray because if you don't you're objectively wrong. The rest of your votes are up to you but you can contact me for the correct answers at any time.
posted by Hoopo at 10:30 AM on October 16, 2013 [20 favorites]
Awesome. My annual "WHAT ABOUT BIG STAR?" snark is underscored this year by looking meaningfully in the direction at the nomination for the guys who wrote a song about their worship of Big Star.
posted by scody at 10:35 AM on October 16, 2013 [8 favorites]
posted by scody at 10:35 AM on October 16, 2013 [8 favorites]
Side note... I have to wonder what Weird Al thinks of Victoria Jackson's *interesting* philosophical turn over the last decade or so...
posted by stenseng at 10:39 AM on October 16, 2013 [1 favorite]
posted by stenseng at 10:39 AM on October 16, 2013 [1 favorite]
Nirvana, NWA, Link Wray, Peter Gabriel, The Meters .... done.
posted by mannequito at 10:51 AM on October 16, 2013
posted by mannequito at 10:51 AM on October 16, 2013
Nirvana, Kiss, Cat Stevens, Deep Purple & The Zombies....done
posted by asra at 10:56 AM on October 16, 2013
posted by asra at 10:56 AM on October 16, 2013
I'm not sure what I think about the Replacements being nominated for the Hall - it seems very anti-Replacements to join that group of musicians, but the recognition is deserved. Then I'd vote Nirvana, NWA, Hall and Oates, and write-in Weird Al. Also, I think they should use some ranked-point system for the voting.
posted by antonymous at 10:57 AM on October 16, 2013
posted by antonymous at 10:57 AM on October 16, 2013
Hit up Rumble by Link Wray and you'll go 'oh, right!'
posted by jimmythefish at 10:58 AM on October 16, 2013 [1 favorite]
posted by jimmythefish at 10:58 AM on October 16, 2013 [1 favorite]
Not gonna bother voting for Nirvana 'cause I figure they've got a lock on it anyways.
posted by ogooglebar at 11:03 AM on October 16, 2013
posted by ogooglebar at 11:03 AM on October 16, 2013
Seriously, Weird Al is more talented musically than any number of current inductees, and more lyrically talented than most. The fact that his music is goofball is meaningless.
posted by Chrysostom at 11:07 AM on October 16, 2013 [2 favorites]
posted by Chrysostom at 11:07 AM on October 16, 2013 [2 favorites]
I don't think it can be said enough, Weird Al is rock.
posted by Silvertree at 11:11 AM on October 16, 2013 [1 favorite]
posted by Silvertree at 11:11 AM on October 16, 2013 [1 favorite]
Chic - Kiss - Linda Ronstadt - The Replacements - Link Wray
In addition to just being a damn good band, Chic is one of those bands who influenced practically everyone doing any rock/dance hybrid in the 80's and 90's. Indeed, through Nile Rodgers, their influence is strong enough to have sent Daft Punk to the top of the charts in 2013.
Kiss because even though they're all assholes, its stupid that one of the biggest rock acts of all time isn't in the hall of fame. Also, Detroit Rock City.
Linda Ronstadt because holy shit that voice.
The Replacements because they're just about my favorite band of all time. They deserve to be their musically and it would be completely narratively wrong for them to be there at the same time. That said, if there's a better love song than "I Will Dare" or a better rock song that "Unsatisfied," I don't know it.
And Link Wray because (for all the reasons mentioned here) fuck why isn't he there already?
posted by Joey Michaels at 11:31 AM on October 16, 2013 [1 favorite]
In addition to just being a damn good band, Chic is one of those bands who influenced practically everyone doing any rock/dance hybrid in the 80's and 90's. Indeed, through Nile Rodgers, their influence is strong enough to have sent Daft Punk to the top of the charts in 2013.
Kiss because even though they're all assholes, its stupid that one of the biggest rock acts of all time isn't in the hall of fame. Also, Detroit Rock City.
Linda Ronstadt because holy shit that voice.
The Replacements because they're just about my favorite band of all time. They deserve to be their musically and it would be completely narratively wrong for them to be there at the same time. That said, if there's a better love song than "I Will Dare" or a better rock song that "Unsatisfied," I don't know it.
And Link Wray because (for all the reasons mentioned here) fuck why isn't he there already?
posted by Joey Michaels at 11:31 AM on October 16, 2013 [1 favorite]
Also, Weird Al should be in the Hall and should be brought out at the start of every induction ceremony to play a song by ever inducted artist. I don't just mean from the current year.
posted by Joey Michaels at 11:31 AM on October 16, 2013 [1 favorite]
posted by Joey Michaels at 11:31 AM on October 16, 2013 [1 favorite]
We made a trip up to Cleveland over Labor Day specifically to see the Stones exhibit, and I have to say that as a librarian, the main floor of exhibits tickled my brain, and honestly, honestly, changed the way I think about music. I really liked how the artists were divided into both geographical and chronological influences - I'd always thought of one, the other, but never both together. And now that I've been there in person I have to admit that I'm looking forward to seeing how that changes as the 25 year mark moves out. Right now it ends with bits and bobs from Seattle Grunge (I totally took a picture of Layne Staley's Rock & Jock softball uniform) and then after you do a side detour through the huge Beatles/Stones/Hendrix section there's a wee little tucked in a corner section with rap memorabilia. And I can't wait to see that expand. Fewer Stevie Nicks outfits, more Chuck-D baseball caps.
I'm the first lady to admit that she loves Cool James, but realizing that "I Need Love" is 26 years old makes me feel ANCIENT.
posted by librarianamy at 11:33 AM on October 16, 2013 [1 favorite]
I'm the first lady to admit that she loves Cool James, but realizing that "I Need Love" is 26 years old makes me feel ANCIENT.
posted by librarianamy at 11:33 AM on October 16, 2013 [1 favorite]
After all, they Rock and Rolled all night (and partied every day).
Not to be pedantic, but they wanted to do that. Doesn't mean they did, and sure as hell doesn't make them rock and roll.
posted by Meatbomb at 11:35 AM on October 16, 2013 [2 favorites]
Not to be pedantic, but they wanted to do that. Doesn't mean they did, and sure as hell doesn't make them rock and roll.
posted by Meatbomb at 11:35 AM on October 16, 2013 [2 favorites]
After all, they Rock and Rolled all night (and partied every day).
Not to be pedantic, but they wanted to do that. Doesn't mean they did, and sure as hell doesn't make them rock and roll.
Wanting to rock and roll is even more rock and roll than rocking and rolling.
posted by Etrigan at 11:37 AM on October 16, 2013 [3 favorites]
Not to be pedantic, but they wanted to do that. Doesn't mean they did, and sure as hell doesn't make them rock and roll.
Wanting to rock and roll is even more rock and roll than rocking and rolling.
posted by Etrigan at 11:37 AM on October 16, 2013 [3 favorites]
Very similar election process to the Baseball Hall of Fame, but the Rock and Roll one only requires 50% of the vote while baseball requires 75%. Seems to let a lot more in each year.
As far as Link Wray, my guess is that he just got lost in the shuffle. The Hall of Fame only dates to 1986, and anyone who had released a record before 1961 was eligible that year. So of course the first few years inducted the big acts from the 50's, and then when they were getting down the list to Link Wray... here come the big acts from the 60's. And so on. I am surprised he wasn't inducted in the "early influences" category which pretty much exists for this situation.
posted by smackfu at 11:37 AM on October 16, 2013 [1 favorite]
As far as Link Wray, my guess is that he just got lost in the shuffle. The Hall of Fame only dates to 1986, and anyone who had released a record before 1961 was eligible that year. So of course the first few years inducted the big acts from the 50's, and then when they were getting down the list to Link Wray... here come the big acts from the 60's. And so on. I am surprised he wasn't inducted in the "early influences" category which pretty much exists for this situation.
posted by smackfu at 11:37 AM on October 16, 2013 [1 favorite]
not voting today... lazy... just stay in bed
You should make an effort.
posted by ogooglebar at 11:42 AM on October 16, 2013
You should make an effort.
posted by ogooglebar at 11:42 AM on October 16, 2013
Just in case you needed reminding for some goddamned reason: Straight Outta Compton will melt your damn face off.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 11:47 AM on October 16, 2013 [1 favorite]
posted by DirtyOldTown at 11:47 AM on October 16, 2013 [1 favorite]
That song even sounds dope when NBC News anchor Brian Williams covers it.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 11:49 AM on October 16, 2013
posted by DirtyOldTown at 11:49 AM on October 16, 2013
I hope Hall and Oats gets in and sing "Your KISS is on my list".
posted by Renoroc at 12:12 PM on October 16, 2013 [1 favorite]
posted by Renoroc at 12:12 PM on October 16, 2013 [1 favorite]
where the hell is kraftwerk? - i mean, come on ...
my selections - chic, link wray, nirvana, nwa, deep purple
if i had more choices the meters and yes
but kraftwerk, damn it
posted by pyramid termite at 12:53 PM on October 16, 2013 [1 favorite]
my selections - chic, link wray, nirvana, nwa, deep purple
if i had more choices the meters and yes
but kraftwerk, damn it
posted by pyramid termite at 12:53 PM on October 16, 2013 [1 favorite]
DirtyOldTown: "Can we get Axl Rose to present Nirvana? For lulz."
I'm not sure you can get Axl Rose to do anything anymore.
posted by BigHeartedGuy at 12:54 PM on October 16, 2013
I'm not sure you can get Axl Rose to do anything anymore.
posted by BigHeartedGuy at 12:54 PM on October 16, 2013
no, let's have axl rose present linda ronstadt - just because it would be funny
posted by pyramid termite at 12:55 PM on October 16, 2013 [1 favorite]
posted by pyramid termite at 12:55 PM on October 16, 2013 [1 favorite]
And DEVO still hasn't been nominated.
Here here! The band that Cobain himself called "the most challenging and subversive of all".
posted by readyfreddy at 12:59 PM on October 16, 2013 [1 favorite]
Here here! The band that Cobain himself called "the most challenging and subversive of all".
posted by readyfreddy at 12:59 PM on October 16, 2013 [1 favorite]
The band that Cobain himself called "the most challenging and subversive of all".
Jandek?
posted by AJaffe at 1:05 PM on October 16, 2013 [2 favorites]
Jandek?
posted by AJaffe at 1:05 PM on October 16, 2013 [2 favorites]
no, let's have axl rose present linda ronstadt - just because it would be funny
Given her current medical condition, I think it would be more poignant than anything else.
posted by ZeusHumms at 1:23 PM on October 16, 2013
Given her current medical condition, I think it would be more poignant than anything else.
posted by ZeusHumms at 1:23 PM on October 16, 2013
Out of left field here but where the fuck is Husker Du in all this? Someone once said the only way they'll get in the Hall is when Green Day references them during their acceptance speech.
posted by Phlegmco(tm) at 1:34 PM on October 16, 2013 [1 favorite]
posted by Phlegmco(tm) at 1:34 PM on October 16, 2013 [1 favorite]
Out of left field here but where the fuck is Husker Du in all this?
No one at Rolling Stone can figure out how to make the appropriate umlauts appear on the ballot, so they're sheepishly leaving them off until IT can come in and walk them through special characters.
posted by Joey Michaels at 1:45 PM on October 16, 2013 [6 favorites]
No one at Rolling Stone can figure out how to make the appropriate umlauts appear on the ballot, so they're sheepishly leaving them off until IT can come in and walk them through special characters.
posted by Joey Michaels at 1:45 PM on October 16, 2013 [6 favorites]
, this is something that annoys the hell out of me. It's rock and roll if an angry teenager can hear it and it makes them say "YES!" or if an old lady thinks it's too loud or Tipper Gore thought it was dirty or if it reminds the middle age guy of when he was the angry young teenager.
This would be no way to organise a record store and is no way to run a museum. Wagner used to get a lot of people rowdy ( and still does) but it doesn't belong in the same row as The Who.
posted by three blind mice at 3:30 PM on October 16, 2013
This would be no way to organise a record store and is no way to run a museum. Wagner used to get a lot of people rowdy ( and still does) but it doesn't belong in the same row as The Who.
posted by three blind mice at 3:30 PM on October 16, 2013
Wagner used to get a lot of people rowdy ( and still does) but it doesn't belong in the same row as The Who.
That is correct- Wagner would belong over there, by the late-70's-Pink-Floyd/solo Roger Waters section.
posted by hap_hazard at 5:07 PM on October 16, 2013
That is correct- Wagner would belong over there, by the late-70's-Pink-Floyd/solo Roger Waters section.
posted by hap_hazard at 5:07 PM on October 16, 2013
Hall and fucking Oats
Daryl Hall & John Oates met in a service elevator where they were taking shelter during a gunfight between rival gangs at a band competition. That sounds pretty rock and roll to me.
posted by kirkaracha at 6:02 PM on October 16, 2013
This would be no way to organise a record store and is no way to run a museum.
but the second someone like korn or limp blzkit or the red hot chili peppers add guitars to hip hop, suddenly it's rock and roll again?
take a look at the samples nwa used - a lot of old school r&b and funk - which, last time i checked was a form of rock and roll - and then we have steve miller, beastie boys, sly and the family stone
how is that not rock n roll?
posted by pyramid termite at 6:06 PM on October 16, 2013 [1 favorite]
but the second someone like korn or limp blzkit or the red hot chili peppers add guitars to hip hop, suddenly it's rock and roll again?
take a look at the samples nwa used - a lot of old school r&b and funk - which, last time i checked was a form of rock and roll - and then we have steve miller, beastie boys, sly and the family stone
how is that not rock n roll?
posted by pyramid termite at 6:06 PM on October 16, 2013 [1 favorite]
There was a club in my Connecticut hometown in the 70's - my father's best friends ran it, and Dad was offered a chance to co-own it, but refused, instead requesting a gig as a bouncer or something so he could get in free his nights off. And they got a surprisingly awesome assortment of acts - seriously, it was like a CBGB's in the middle of rural Eastern Connecticut. Joe Cocker played there, and Dire Straits, and Muddy Waters, and B.B. King and John Lee Hooker and Bonnie Raitt and Springsteen and Tom Waits and Dylan almost did except he got lost on the turnpike...
I asked Dad once to tell me about some of the best shows he saw there. My father's a huge blues buff, so Etta James was no surprise; he said Janis Ian also was a big one. But then Dad completely blew me away by saying that Hall and Oates was also one of his favorite gigs. This was before they found their footing in the 1980's, when they were still trying to make up their minds whether they wanted to do folk or blues or pop or Philly soul. I think I burst out laughing when Dad told me they were one of his favorites, but he swore up and down that at that point, they were smokin'.
Then they just had to go all 80's on us, alas.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 7:23 PM on October 16, 2013 [1 favorite]
I asked Dad once to tell me about some of the best shows he saw there. My father's a huge blues buff, so Etta James was no surprise; he said Janis Ian also was a big one. But then Dad completely blew me away by saying that Hall and Oates was also one of his favorite gigs. This was before they found their footing in the 1980's, when they were still trying to make up their minds whether they wanted to do folk or blues or pop or Philly soul. I think I burst out laughing when Dad told me they were one of his favorites, but he swore up and down that at that point, they were smokin'.
Then they just had to go all 80's on us, alas.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 7:23 PM on October 16, 2013 [1 favorite]
So, you can't go for that, oh oh, no can do?
posted by Chrysostom at 7:54 PM on October 16, 2013
posted by Chrysostom at 7:54 PM on October 16, 2013
This thread is worthwhile if only for pyramid termite's link to whosampled.com, from which I have learned that James Brown's Funky Drummer has been sampled 694 times. Which sounds about right.
posted by Cookiebastard at 7:57 PM on October 16, 2013
posted by Cookiebastard at 7:57 PM on October 16, 2013
The more I think about it, it would feel perfectly apt for Nirvana and NWA to be inducted in the same year. Somehow they've always run on parallel tracks in my warped musical history railyard of a brain.
Obligatory Mashup
posted by mannequito at 8:04 PM on October 16, 2013
Obligatory Mashup
posted by mannequito at 8:04 PM on October 16, 2013
KISS is an interesting case. Their contributions as a model of rock and roll lifestyle, self-promotion, and excess far outshine their actual music. Inclusion in the Hall on the basis of their crafted image, and not so much the music? Why not? There are certainly weaker choices in there...
You've seen the future and have seen Nickelback inducted? I can't think of a weaker choice, musically. Having said that, the HoF is about as actually relevant as clipped toe nails.
posted by juiceCake at 9:08 PM on October 16, 2013
You've seen the future and have seen Nickelback inducted? I can't think of a weaker choice, musically. Having said that, the HoF is about as actually relevant as clipped toe nails.
posted by juiceCake at 9:08 PM on October 16, 2013
Wagner used to get a lot of people rowdy ...
There were riots in the streets in which several people died when Stravinsky premiered "The Rite of Spring."
THAT's rock 'n roll.
posted by ZenMasterThis at 9:12 PM on October 16, 2013 [1 favorite]
There were riots in the streets in which several people died when Stravinsky premiered "The Rite of Spring."
THAT's rock 'n roll.
posted by ZenMasterThis at 9:12 PM on October 16, 2013 [1 favorite]
Quite a few years back I was working the summer in NYC. My first time in North America in some time, so my dad comes over for a visit. He drags me out to CBGB's, it is daytime so just to see the place not to actually hang out there or anything. Wow, turns out the place is closing down in a week! So we made it just in time! We get a photo or two standing out front under the orange awning.
Just a few months ago I had a short gig in Chicago, and me and my dad decide to do a road trip afterwards. To Montreal, via Cleveland - dad wants to go to the RRHOF.
So guess what they have hanging in the lobby? There it is, that same fucking awning we stood under when it was still in situ, the last time we were together. Holy shit that was strange. We took photos, again.
posted by Meatbomb at 9:43 PM on October 16, 2013
Just a few months ago I had a short gig in Chicago, and me and my dad decide to do a road trip afterwards. To Montreal, via Cleveland - dad wants to go to the RRHOF.
So guess what they have hanging in the lobby? There it is, that same fucking awning we stood under when it was still in situ, the last time we were together. Holy shit that was strange. We took photos, again.
posted by Meatbomb at 9:43 PM on October 16, 2013
All I want to know is: Who is it on the committee that hates Warren Zevon so badly that he's never been inducted? Was it just because he didn't have enough top 10 hits? He was ~brilliant~.
posted by Meep! Eek! at 9:53 PM on October 16, 2013 [5 favorites]
posted by Meep! Eek! at 9:53 PM on October 16, 2013 [5 favorites]
Hmmmm...my votes fell in line with the top 5 frontrunners, and this unnerves me.
posted by malocchio at 7:45 AM on October 17, 2013
posted by malocchio at 7:45 AM on October 17, 2013
Dangerous Minds linked a Link Wray live show from 74. While I'd heard Rumble and knew his name, just seeing that... 20 years after the 50s, this man still rocked.
But even more...
69 years old.
Rocking Out on Conan.
Dude could shred. In the 50s. Just... KILLS IT. I have so much respect after seeing these clips that if you DON'T vote for Link Wray, I will personally hunt you down and gut you.
posted by symbioid at 8:16 AM on October 17, 2013
But even more...
69 years old.
Rocking Out on Conan.
Dude could shred. In the 50s. Just... KILLS IT. I have so much respect after seeing these clips that if you DON'T vote for Link Wray, I will personally hunt you down and gut you.
posted by symbioid at 8:16 AM on October 17, 2013
Goddamn, that is so sad to see Wray so low.
I voted for: Zombies, Nirvana, Meters, Cat Stevens and Link Wray.
*sigh*
posted by symbioid at 8:22 AM on October 17, 2013
I voted for: Zombies, Nirvana, Meters, Cat Stevens and Link Wray.
*sigh*
posted by symbioid at 8:22 AM on October 17, 2013
one of the things i really liked about link wray is unlike just about any other 50s guitarist you can name, when the 60s came along and the volume increased and marshall amps were the thing he was all, "I WANT THAT! LET ME AT IT!"
it's all over now baby blue single version, from bullshot, 1979
i wish i could find his version of rawhide from this album - it's a lot louder and crazier than the original, which is saying something
posted by pyramid termite at 4:22 PM on October 17, 2013
it's all over now baby blue single version, from bullshot, 1979
i wish i could find his version of rawhide from this album - it's a lot louder and crazier than the original, which is saying something
posted by pyramid termite at 4:22 PM on October 17, 2013
I agree the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is not relevant at all, but at least Rush is now inducted. Before that I really didn't give a shit. And Weird Al, as well as They Might be Giants, should get in.
posted by JKevinKing at 6:36 PM on October 17, 2013
posted by JKevinKing at 6:36 PM on October 17, 2013
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The exclusion of KISS should be remedied, however. After all, they Rock and Rolled all night (and partied every day).
posted by Curious Artificer at 8:53 AM on October 16, 2013 [2 favorites]