Just before the lovemaking there's a fade out
November 6, 2013 10:54 AM Subscribe
click?
or noclick?
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or noclick?
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God damnit.
Click.
posted by Think_Long at 11:01 AM on November 6, 2013 [7 favorites]
or noclick?
click?
or noclick?
click?
or noclick?
God damnit.
Click.
posted by Think_Long at 11:01 AM on November 6, 2013 [7 favorites]
phew, not what I thought it was.
posted by Think_Long at 11:02 AM on November 6, 2013 [2 favorites]
posted by Think_Long at 11:02 AM on November 6, 2013 [2 favorites]
I remember my grandpa watching some Woody Allen movie with his girlfriend at the time. I was in the kitchen playing with Lego while they watched it and talked. Eventually, I overheard his girlfriend (I really can't remember her name...) say "Who would make love with that weird little man?!" When I grew up and watched one or two Allen movies that was the only thing I could think of when ever he was on screen. "Who would make love with that weird little man?!"
posted by Our Ship Of The Imagination! at 11:04 AM on November 6, 2013 [8 favorites]
posted by Our Ship Of The Imagination! at 11:04 AM on November 6, 2013 [8 favorites]
I mean, I like his movies except for that nervous fella that's always in 'em!
posted by Our Ship Of The Imagination! at 11:09 AM on November 6, 2013 [5 favorites]
posted by Our Ship Of The Imagination! at 11:09 AM on November 6, 2013 [5 favorites]
Predictably, this is mostly just talking.
posted by koeselitz at 11:25 AM on November 6, 2013 [8 favorites]
posted by koeselitz at 11:25 AM on November 6, 2013 [8 favorites]
Fewer underage girls than the title suggests.
posted by Napierzaza at 12:05 PM on November 6, 2013 [8 favorites]
posted by Napierzaza at 12:05 PM on November 6, 2013 [8 favorites]
SECURITY GUARDposted by ceribus peribus at 12:07 PM on November 6, 2013 [2 favorites]
You never see anything anyway. They always uh... turn the camera, and... play music and... you know, the wind blows and then the curtain moves. You don't see anything.
Unfortunately, Woody Allen is in the same boat as Roman Polanski - without an acknowledgement and a reckoning for what they did, their opus, no matter how marvelous, is now something I can't enjoy and won't endorse. I am more than a little upset he's been able to adopt two girls, given his past.
posted by Slap*Happy at 12:10 PM on November 6, 2013 [5 favorites]
posted by Slap*Happy at 12:10 PM on November 6, 2013 [5 favorites]
I agree Slap*Happy - haven't watched anything of his in years for that reason.
posted by leslies at 12:21 PM on November 6, 2013
posted by leslies at 12:21 PM on November 6, 2013
I'm not sure you actually know what he "did."
posted by ShutterBun at 1:21 PM on November 6, 2013 [3 favorites]
posted by ShutterBun at 1:21 PM on November 6, 2013 [3 favorites]
It kills me that 'approving'of the artist' leads to a judgement about the art. So, should you reserve judgement about something you think is great until you learn more about who made it?
The Offended and the Disapproving: the bane of modern existence. Disagree away: you're not judging artistic merit. Loathsome creators can create beautiful things. Take God, for example...
posted by umberto at 2:34 PM on November 6, 2013 [1 favorite]
The Offended and the Disapproving: the bane of modern existence. Disagree away: you're not judging artistic merit. Loathsome creators can create beautiful things. Take God, for example...
posted by umberto at 2:34 PM on November 6, 2013 [1 favorite]
It kills me that 'approving' of the artist' leads to a judgement about the art. So, should you reserve judgement about something you think is great until you learn more about who made it?So much of Allen's material comes from such a specific, limited perspective that many (myself included, sometimes) are inclined to see his work as being autobiographical. His frequent onscreen appearances don't help this.
With some artists, it's possible to separate the work from the art. Using film as an example, I know Robert Altman did some morally questionable things, but it's easier for me to separate his art from his life because his body of work can't be interpreted as directly autobiographical in the same way that Allen's is. Also, as problematic as some of Altman's behavior was, he didn't (to my knowledge) rape anyone or marry a child in his care. So there's that.
posted by pxe2000 at 2:48 PM on November 6, 2013 [2 favorites]
Unfortunately, Woody Allen is in the same boat as Roman Polanski - without an acknowledgement and a reckoning for what they did, their opus, no matter how marvelous, is now something I can't enjoy and won't endorse.
Um... Roman Polanski drugged and raped a 13-year-old girl; Woody Allen started a relationship with a 19-year-old woman which resulted in a marriage that lasts to this day.
Now, I will grant you that it seems squicky and inappropriate for Allen to start dating someone 40 years younger than him who was his girlfriend's adopted daughter, and I don't particularly feel a need to defend his actions. But I have to say, it is a far cry from rape and pedophilia on the spectrum of moral badness.
posted by Joey Buttafoucault at 3:51 PM on November 6, 2013 [10 favorites]
Um... Roman Polanski drugged and raped a 13-year-old girl; Woody Allen started a relationship with a 19-year-old woman which resulted in a marriage that lasts to this day.
Now, I will grant you that it seems squicky and inappropriate for Allen to start dating someone 40 years younger than him who was his girlfriend's adopted daughter, and I don't particularly feel a need to defend his actions. But I have to say, it is a far cry from rape and pedophilia on the spectrum of moral badness.
posted by Joey Buttafoucault at 3:51 PM on November 6, 2013 [10 favorites]
Using film as an example, I know Robert Altman did some morally questionable things
What did Altman do?
posted by dgaicun at 4:10 PM on November 6, 2013
What did Altman do?
posted by dgaicun at 4:10 PM on November 6, 2013
What did Altman do?Some of the circumstances under which he got his actresses to strip down and do nude scenes were weird, IMO.
posted by pxe2000 at 5:02 PM on November 6, 2013
Woody Allen started a relationship with a 19-year-old woman which resulted in a marriage that lasts to this day.
Well, if it were just that... but he's got something of a history. Taken together, and man. I'm not on board with letting rich and famous men do what they want to whoever they want, so long as they keep making moves that appeal to intellectuals.
posted by Slap*Happy at 5:31 PM on November 6, 2013 [1 favorite]
Well, if it were just that... but he's got something of a history. Taken together, and man. I'm not on board with letting rich and famous men do what they want to whoever they want, so long as they keep making moves that appeal to intellectuals.
posted by Slap*Happy at 5:31 PM on November 6, 2013 [1 favorite]
23 is the new 13 for people who are afraid of irrelevance and death
posted by This, of course, alludes to you at 9:24 PM on November 6, 2013 [1 favorite]
posted by This, of course, alludes to you at 9:24 PM on November 6, 2013 [1 favorite]
I'm not on board with letting rich and famous men do what they want to whoever they want, so long as they keep making moves that appeal to intellectuals.
We'd stop watching, but we need the eggs.
posted by Optamystic at 3:33 AM on November 7, 2013 [1 favorite]
We'd stop watching, but we need the eggs.
posted by Optamystic at 3:33 AM on November 7, 2013 [1 favorite]
Thomas Jefferson bought and sold people. We forgive our geniuses...
posted by judson at 8:15 AM on November 7, 2013
posted by judson at 8:15 AM on November 7, 2013
The World Famous: "Echh, I hate that phrase.
Me, too. Do people in real life actually use it?"
I too find this phrase a little weird, especially when repeated ad nauseam, as it is in this supercut. My brain starts focusing on the two words and not the idea until it sounds like they are actually building something like birdhouses or papier mâché piñatas. Not, well, you know . . . .
It makes me feel like I'm not doing it right.
posted by arkham_inmate_0801 at 8:50 AM on November 7, 2013
Me, too. Do people in real life actually use it?"
I too find this phrase a little weird, especially when repeated ad nauseam, as it is in this supercut. My brain starts focusing on the two words and not the idea until it sounds like they are actually building something like birdhouses or papier mâché piñatas. Not, well, you know . . . .
It makes me feel like I'm not doing it right.
posted by arkham_inmate_0801 at 8:50 AM on November 7, 2013
If you've seen the documentary "Wild Man Blues", you know that Woody Allen is paying daily for his perceived "sins". He clearly can't stand Soon-Yi anymore, yet he can never divorce her, for obvious reasons. He's got the thousand yard stare of a man for whom death cannot come too quickly.
posted by Optamystic at 8:51 AM on November 7, 2013
posted by Optamystic at 8:51 AM on November 7, 2013
pxe2000: So much of Allen's material comes from such a specific, limited perspective that many (myself included, sometimes) are inclined to see his work as being autobiographical. His frequent onscreen appearances don't help this. "
Exactly.
I can't bring myself to watch anything Mr. Allen has made, the proof of his misdeeds seem quite strong, and his work seems exceedingly autobiographical.
On the other hand, I worship Pete Townshend. I love his art. His work too, is quite autobiographical, but I still don't equate what he did with his music.
Except for that song in Tommy
posted by arkham_inmate_0801 at 9:03 AM on November 7, 2013
Exactly.
I can't bring myself to watch anything Mr. Allen has made, the proof of his misdeeds seem quite strong, and his work seems exceedingly autobiographical.
On the other hand, I worship Pete Townshend. I love his art. His work too, is quite autobiographical, but I still don't equate what he did with his music.
Except for that song in Tommy
posted by arkham_inmate_0801 at 9:03 AM on November 7, 2013
judson: "Thomas Jefferson bought and sold people. We forgive our geniuses..."
I'm not really for "forgiveness," necessarily; that's for God, not for me, and moreover such major sins of the past can't be whitewashed away or ignored. However, the comparison of Jefferson with Woody Allen is not a great one. Having authored a document which eventually was fundamental in freeing millions of the very human beings in whose buying and selling you once took part is quite different from having authored a few movies which are technically brilliant but which, from the standpoint of narrative, seem intended to argue that it's okay for famous personalities to be horrible people personally so long as they're 'artistic.' The former is sort of a mitigation of the sin; the latter is a confirmation of one's culpability and lack of remorse.
posted by koeselitz at 8:57 PM on November 7, 2013 [1 favorite]
I'm not really for "forgiveness," necessarily; that's for God, not for me, and moreover such major sins of the past can't be whitewashed away or ignored. However, the comparison of Jefferson with Woody Allen is not a great one. Having authored a document which eventually was fundamental in freeing millions of the very human beings in whose buying and selling you once took part is quite different from having authored a few movies which are technically brilliant but which, from the standpoint of narrative, seem intended to argue that it's okay for famous personalities to be horrible people personally so long as they're 'artistic.' The former is sort of a mitigation of the sin; the latter is a confirmation of one's culpability and lack of remorse.
posted by koeselitz at 8:57 PM on November 7, 2013 [1 favorite]
it's okay for famous personalities to be horrible people
"Horrible"? Really?
Lack of remorse? They're still married! He's supposed to be remorseful about that?
posted by ShutterBun at 9:59 PM on November 8, 2013
"Horrible"? Really?
Lack of remorse? They're still married! He's supposed to be remorseful about that?
posted by ShutterBun at 9:59 PM on November 8, 2013
Unfortunately, Woody Allen is in the same boat as Roman Polanski - without an acknowledgement and a reckoning for what they did, their opus, no matter how marvelous, is now something I can't enjoy and won't endorse. I am more than a little upset he's been able to adopt two girls, given his past.
You realize that the "past" you're speaking of equates to pretty much a child custody case and a dropped accusation of molestation, right?
Hey, what about Ghandi? You don't wanna leave out Ghandi, y'know, while you're trashing people.
posted by ShutterBun at 10:06 PM on November 8, 2013
You realize that the "past" you're speaking of equates to pretty much a child custody case and a dropped accusation of molestation, right?
Hey, what about Ghandi? You don't wanna leave out Ghandi, y'know, while you're trashing people.
posted by ShutterBun at 10:06 PM on November 8, 2013
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