Nothing Lasts Forever
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Yay!
posted by brundlefly at 4:46 PM on October 22, 2014


I couldn't get it to load, but this link worked for me.
posted by rewil at 4:47 PM on October 22, 2014


Where is that leaked from, I wonder? "Coming to Cinemas" isn't usually an american phrase.
posted by octothorpe at 4:48 PM on October 22, 2014


There's another female character jumping out of the way of things, not Pepper or Scarlett. Kinda looks like Sarah Silverman.
posted by sammyo at 4:49 PM on October 22, 2014


Me last week: Man, I think I am done with Superhero movies, look how many of these things are lined up...

Me now: Ultron? Wheeee!
posted by Artw at 4:51 PM on October 22, 2014 [5 favorites]


I thought at the end of the last Avengers movie there was a shot of Thanos grinning evilly... Or am I just imagining things?
posted by Nevin at 4:51 PM on October 22, 2014


James Spader should be in all movies.

Also, that trailer was basically ever Avengers trailer we've seen up until now. *shrugs*
posted by Fizz at 4:51 PM on October 22, 2014


If this isn't at least 4 hours long well I am just going to have to watch it twice.
posted by Mike Mongo at 4:53 PM on October 22, 2014 [4 favorites]




There's another female character

That’s Elizabeth Olsen, playing the Scarlet Witch. And the other guy is Aaron Taylor-Johnson, playing Quicksilver, who previously was Evan Peters in Days of Future Past.
posted by 1970s Antihero at 4:53 PM on October 22, 2014 [1 favorite]


James Spader, hulkbuster armor... Yeah, I might well see this.
posted by Joakim Ziegler at 4:54 PM on October 22, 2014 [2 favorites]


2030: Untitled Money
2045: Untitled Sequel to Money
2083: We're All Superheroes Now
2049: All Hologram Untitled Superman
2200: Howard the Duck Reboot
posted by Fizz at 4:55 PM on October 22, 2014 [26 favorites]


Howard The Duck - to Battle Dr Bong!

Coming in 2015.
posted by GuyZero at 4:59 PM on October 22, 2014 [1 favorite]


Maybe I'll feel different once a high-def version surfaces but I'm not really blown away by this.
posted by octothorpe at 5:00 PM on October 22, 2014


One advantage to working under the Disney aegis: carte blanche to use extended quotations from Pinocchio.
posted by Iridic at 5:01 PM on October 22, 2014 [14 favorites]


Maybe I'll feel different once a high-def version surfaces but I'm not really blown away by this.

Superhero film overexposure, burnout, maybe?
posted by Fizz at 5:01 PM on October 22, 2014 [1 favorite]


We're currently watching the televisual killjoy that is Gotham when this was posted and I'm yelling JUST END THE DAMN EPISODE ALREADY at the screen.
posted by Kitteh at 5:02 PM on October 22, 2014 [2 favorites]


Forget everything else. This is the only thing that matters for the next few months.
posted by Joey Michaels at 5:03 PM on October 22, 2014


EM IS THAT MJOLNIR BOUNCING? I AM NOT IMPRESSED

MJOLNIR SHOULD NOT BOUNCE
posted by nathancaswell at 5:03 PM on October 22, 2014 [6 favorites]


It's another opportunity to gaze at Steve's Big Sad Face Full Of Feelings ( all of them sad)
posted by The Whelk at 5:03 PM on October 22, 2014 [10 favorites]


I'm so weary of the continual fade to / from black trailer technique. Watching one is like trying to remember a dream. Also the regularly-spaced basso stings in the sound track.
posted by George_Spiggott at 5:04 PM on October 22, 2014 [3 favorites]


Fizz: Recap of Spaderville. For all your James Spader needs.
posted by Saxon Kane at 5:07 PM on October 22, 2014 [8 favorites]


I think that it's more trailer burnout for me than superhero film burnout.
posted by octothorpe at 5:07 PM on October 22, 2014


also if you're insinuating a robot can be created that's the size of the hulk that is as strong as the hulk NO SIR I AM NOT BUYING IT
posted by nathancaswell at 5:07 PM on October 22, 2014 [7 favorites]


Re: bouncy mjolnir - this is just wild speculation but I also caught a shot of Cap's shield split in half, so maybe there's going to be some sort of riff on the iconic tools/weapons being broken?
posted by Wretch729 at 5:09 PM on October 22, 2014


The way you get a Hulk-grade Asgardian is you start with Thor and you cover him with a thick layer of ground Loki-meat like a Scotch Egg.
posted by George_Spiggott at 5:09 PM on October 22, 2014 [12 favorites]


Where have I seen a robot done to look exactly like Ultron, before? I know I've seen that before, but I can't remember where.
posted by mhoye at 5:09 PM on October 22, 2014


There has got to be a way to download this in the next hour or so before the inevitable DISNEY SMASH. Anyone? Rewil's link plays the video but the download option is disabled or blocked.
posted by The Pluto Gangsta at 5:10 PM on October 22, 2014


YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
posted by Kitteh at 5:11 PM on October 22, 2014


When I first heard the Scarlet Witch casting, the person telling me about it was all "Elizabeth ... you know, what's her face ..."

So I immediately assumed it would be Elisabeth Moss. Every moment since I was corrected has been a waking disappointment.
posted by rewil at 5:15 PM on October 22, 2014 [3 favorites]




We're currently watching the televisual killjoy that is Gotham when this got posted so right now I'm yelling END THIS DAMN EPISODE ALREADY SO I WATCH SOMETHING FUN

tie your tv to a balloon maybe
posted by robocop is bleeding at 5:18 PM on October 22, 2014 [5 favorites]


Wow, Kitteh is so traumatized by Gotham that she's saying things twice!

Age of Ultron?! Does that mean we'll finally find out what it does??
posted by JHarris at 5:19 PM on October 22, 2014 [2 favorites]


With Quicksilver now in the Avengers franchise, what does that mean for his character in the X-Men films?
posted by Saxon Kane at 5:19 PM on October 22, 2014


What would happen if Billy Batson picked up Mjolnir and became Thor? Every time he summoned lightning would he toggle between being Captain Thorvel and just Thor?
posted by George_Spiggott at 5:19 PM on October 22, 2014 [6 favorites]


2200: Howard the Duck Reboot

He's already back in the movies, so maybe sooner than that?
posted by Artw at 5:20 PM on October 22, 2014 [2 favorites]


While this is still "leaked" status, someone needs to do a version where instead of Ultron speaking it's distorted Robert California quotes.
posted by robocop is bleeding at 5:21 PM on October 22, 2014 [4 favorites]


Other artw screen superhero shock news: I find the new series of Agents of SHIELD "not awful" and "watchable".
posted by Artw at 5:22 PM on October 22, 2014 [9 favorites]


Scarlettwitch

Minor correction to the tag: her last name is actually Johansson
posted by Greg Nog at 5:22 PM on October 22, 2014


At the 1:27 mark... is that Andy Serkis? Not sure who else merits that significant a spot in the trailer, but I have no idea who or what he's supposed to be. Any word?
posted by GhostintheMachine at 5:22 PM on October 22, 2014 [1 favorite]


Uh oh. This looks needlessly grimdark.
posted by painquale at 5:22 PM on October 22, 2014 [1 favorite]


Saxon Kane: Weird quirk of the rights, but Quicksilver & Scarlet Witch belong in both Avengers and X-Men universes, so the characters can be used in both franchises.
posted by GhostintheMachine at 5:23 PM on October 22, 2014 [1 favorite]


I always broke down the three Iron Man films like so:

1) Iron Man vs. Mechanical Man
2) Iron Men vs. Mechanical Men
3) Bunch of different Iron Men vs. Fire People

For that reason, I kinda liked the third one most because it created some interesting scenarios. With the villain here being more damned mechanical men, I hope they can figure out a way to mix it up a bit more. (Disclaimer: I have read zero of the comics, so I'm in the dark as to how these story lines did/could play out.)
posted by AlonzoMosleyFBI at 5:24 PM on October 22, 2014 [2 favorites]


Since the DC films are entirely made of Grimdark and the traditional role of Suicide Squad is to contrast the clear cut optimism of the DCU - maybe Suicide Squad should be the fun bouncy GotG style one?
posted by Artw at 5:25 PM on October 22, 2014 [8 favorites]


Since the DC films are entirely made of Grimdark and the traditional role of Suicide Squad is to contrast the clear cut optimism of the DCU - maybe Suicide Squad should be the fun bouncy GotG style one?

Please oh please, someone make that happen.
posted by mordax at 5:29 PM on October 22, 2014


My ultimate fantasy is making a DC Universe Fourth World movie that would be a meet-cute romantic comedy between Scott Free and Big Barda.
posted by Greg Nog at 5:31 PM on October 22, 2014 [14 favorites]


I wasn't looking too closely, but were there any shots of Vision in there?
posted by audi alteram partem at 5:32 PM on October 22, 2014


George_Spiggott: "I'm so weary of the continual fade to / from black trailer technique. Watching one is like trying to remember a dream."

That's kind of a good description of a trailer, though, isn't it? A series of memorable moments, loosely connected, suggesting a story and a mood without getting into too many specifics, but sticking with you.
posted by Joakim Ziegler at 5:33 PM on October 22, 2014 [1 favorite]


My ultimate fantasy is making a DC Universe Fourth World movie that would be a meet-cute romantic comedy between Scott Free and Big Barda.

I am throwing money at that sentence but nothing is happening!
posted by KingEdRa at 5:34 PM on October 22, 2014 [5 favorites]


Using "I've got no strings" for the trailer's music was a nice touch.
posted by homunculus at 5:36 PM on October 22, 2014 [4 favorites]


...maybe Suicide Squad should be the fun bouncy GotG style one?

Wait, really? A reboot of Suicide Squid? Yes, this is an ancient history usenet derail, but Suicide Squid!!


Go Squidy Go
posted by sammyo at 5:43 PM on October 22, 2014 [8 favorites]


OMG Greg Nog I would watch that SO HARD.

Of course, I am the person who wants a Ralph & Sue Dibny movie done in the style of "Pillow Talk," so that might not be surprising.
posted by nonasuch at 5:49 PM on October 22, 2014 [2 favorites]


I've gotta give the Marvel guys credit, this string of Avengers and tie-ins makes for some pretty good popcorn entertainment. So clever just to hang everything on some iconic stories with malleable stories. Ensemble casting at its most sockem pow. Even the TV show is amusing; you should join the discussion on Fanfare.
posted by Nelson at 5:50 PM on October 22, 2014


In response to the leak.
posted by rewil at 5:51 PM on October 22, 2014 [10 favorites]


I hadn't heard that James Spader was in this, and for a second I thought Bryan Cranston was doing the voice of Ultron. For a moment, my nerd joy knew no bounds.
posted by Mr. Bad Example at 5:52 PM on October 22, 2014


I hadn't heard that James Spader was in this, and for a second I thought Bryan Cranston was doing the voice of Ultron. For a moment, my nerd joy knew no bounds.

Now all I want is two hours of film of Spader & Cranston playing Halo 4 and drinking scotch.
posted by Fizz at 5:55 PM on October 22, 2014 [16 favorites]


Oh yesss the Hulkbuster armor
posted by griphus at 5:56 PM on October 22, 2014 [4 favorites]


Iron Man and Hulk are fighting in this movie, and Captain America 3 will purportedly be a version of Civil War. That gives me reason to think that this movie will end with Tony Stark shooting the Hulk off into space, and that a Planet Hulk movie is right around the corner. Marvel's being cagey about their future movies. This strategy makes sense if Planet Hulk is upcoming. They can't announce Planet Hulk until after Avengers 2 is released, because it would be a spoiler.
posted by painquale at 6:05 PM on October 22, 2014 [4 favorites]


What would happen if Billy Batson picked up Mjolnir and became Thor? Every time he summoned lightning would he toggle between being Captain Thorvel and just Thor?

How do the kids say it these days, "Shut up and take my money!"?
posted by mikelieman at 6:08 PM on October 22, 2014 [2 favorites]


Saxon Kane: With Quicksilver now in the Avengers franchise, what does that mean for his character in the X-Men films?

Quicksilver and the Scarlett Witch are the weird overlapped part of the Venn diagram that is Marvel movie rights. As I understand it, they can appear in both X-Men and 'other-Marvel' movies, but it appears that certain things, eg the word "mutant" to describe superheroes, are off-limits in MCU properties. (the SHIELD tv show seems to have settled on "gifted")
posted by rmd1023 at 6:08 PM on October 22, 2014 [3 favorites]


Other artw screen superhero shock news: I find the new series of Agents of SHIELD "not awful" and "watchable".

I dropped out during the middle of S01 and just jumped back in S02E05? And yes. "watchable". Although when I was slightly ashamed at myself when I saw the invisible quinjet and said, "Cool, an invisible Quinjet!"
posted by mikelieman at 6:10 PM on October 22, 2014


I was going to say how nice it is that it doesn't go BWAAAAAH ... BWAAAAAH ... but then it kind of does at the end.

I don't particularly wanna see Civil War or Planet Hulk, and I haven't even bothered to see CA2 yet. But when they dropped SJ's motorcycle out of the Quinjet (there, I said it, Quinjet), I got a chill up my spine. I feel kind of cheap and easy, but at the same time I kind of feel like that's okay.
posted by Sing Or Swim at 6:11 PM on October 22, 2014 [1 favorite]


Planet Hulk

I would go to this theme park.
posted by mikelieman at 6:13 PM on October 22, 2014 [1 favorite]


A good Planet Hulk movie would just be Green Space Conan, and I would see it immediately.
posted by griphus at 6:14 PM on October 22, 2014 [6 favorites]


Although when I was slightly ashamed at myself when I saw the invisible quinjet and said, "Cool, an invisible Quinjet!"

I have totally said "Crusher Creel really redeems this show!".

Also I kind of admire the cheek of putting clips of Captain America 2 in the "previously" for their low budget show.
posted by Artw at 6:16 PM on October 22, 2014 [1 favorite]


Although when I was slightly ashamed at myself when I saw the invisible quinjet and said, "Cool, an invisible Quinjet!"

But if it was invisible, how did you see it?
posted by Saxon Kane at 6:16 PM on October 22, 2014


But if it was invisible, how did you see it?

A wizard did it.
posted by mikelieman at 6:17 PM on October 22, 2014


Cool! A movie where cars get thrown around! I guess there's a large robot James Spader? Is that what makes it new?
posted by Fleeno at 6:18 PM on October 22, 2014


You know, I'm trying to get my 10 year old interested in these so I can watch them. It hasn't worked so far. I blame Minecraft and Adventure Time.
posted by mollweide at 6:22 PM on October 22, 2014


Put on Iron Man while making dinner. It'll just leak in. By the time A:AoU comes out, they'll have reached saturation.
posted by mikelieman at 6:25 PM on October 22, 2014 [1 favorite]


also if you're insinuating a robot can be created that's the size of the hulk that is as strong as the hulk NO SIR I AM NOT BUYING IT

Well, it makes way more sense than a single set of man-sized robot amour outperforming a squadron of harrier jets and a entire tank division.

I can't wait for this movie.
posted by paper chromatographologist at 6:34 PM on October 22, 2014


Yeah, I haven't read Civil War but everything I know about it (and since I'm addicted to the internet, I know a lot more than I should, realistically) makes me not super thrilled. As far as I can tell, it's the Timeline Where Everybody's A Super Dick Or Dead. I know nothing about Planet Hulk.

I'm still pretty pretty gung-ho about Ultron, but I'm not sure about much after that.
posted by PussKillian at 6:36 PM on October 22, 2014


Looks like a lot more of the same.
posted by codacorolla at 6:38 PM on October 22, 2014


I wasn't looking too closely, but were there any shots of Vision in there?

I'm guessing he was the other robot that Ultron crushes the head of starting at 0:37.

Vision is being played by the voice actor for JARVIS so I'm assuming in the MCU that Vision will basically be JARVIS-with-a-body.

GET HYPE!!!!
posted by Jacqueline at 6:46 PM on October 22, 2014 [1 favorite]




I cannot wait for the inevitable World War Hulk movie. Comeuppances. So many comeuppances.
posted by Sternmeyer at 7:05 PM on October 22, 2014 [1 favorite]


Using "I've got no strings" for the trailer's music was a nice touch.

It's a great reference and deliciously creepy-fied.

Given the multi-layered context of the performance it's calling back to, I'm wondering if it *might* even mean they're planning to do something complex with Ultron as an antagonist...
posted by weston at 7:05 PM on October 22, 2014


Nice use of being owned by Disney there.
posted by Artw at 7:09 PM on October 22, 2014 [5 favorites]


Okay, yeah, I would definitely watch a movie where Hulk knocks Blackbolt out after a yelling match. He has to be one of the smuggest characters in all of Marvel.
posted by P.o.B. at 7:16 PM on October 22, 2014


World War Hulk would make for a really fun Avengers movie. Hulk should be a sympathetic bad guy half of the time, and we've only really seen good Hulk. All of the Avengers and SHIELD trying to take down a Hulk bent on destroying them: that'd be good stuff. The problem is that if they do both Planet Hulk and WWH is that they'd need to do both of them before the Infinity Gauntlet, and that's almost certainly the next huge crossover event.
posted by painquale at 7:20 PM on October 22, 2014


I don't think we're in danger of a Civil War storyline, so much of that is predicated on Superheros being a THING and not a recent phenomenon and the Avengers being around for more than, what? a year? And being more tight with each other than "people I am willing to stand if the world is literally ending".

It seems much more likely we're moving toward a focus on the Marvel Cosmic universe, superheros IN SPAAAAAACE, hell even Dr. Strange makes more sense there. Ultron is another in a long line of Thantos puppets.

Of course I'm still expecting a full on Invasion of The Body Snatchers/Secret Invasion thing to go down cause it would fit so many of the movies' in the MCU's various themes.
posted by The Whelk at 7:20 PM on October 22, 2014


I don't think we're in danger of a Civil War storyline

I thought that it was already leaked that Civil War will be the plotline for Captain America 3? That was why RDJ signed on for that movie.
posted by Jacqueline at 7:27 PM on October 22, 2014


I think some head honchos have outright said that Cap 3 is going to be a version of Civil War? It's not clear exactly how that's going to work. It's probably gonna be Cap vs. Stark, with all the heroes falling behind one or the other, but the issue causing the fallout won't be superhero registration: it'll be surveillance or something like that. Rumors are swirling that Cap will "die" and be replaced with Falcon for a while, but I don't know the reliability of any of this. There's probably none whatsoever.

In the comics, Bucky has become a spaceman superspy, so I'm guessing he'll be joining the GotG in their next movie. Or he'll be their enemy or competitor or something.
posted by painquale at 7:28 PM on October 22, 2014 [1 favorite]


Nevin: I thought at the end of the last Avengers movie there was a shot of Thanos grinning evilly... Or am I just imagining things?

No, that was definitely there. People immediately started speculating that they were leading up to an Infinity Gauntlet movie, and Guardians of the Galaxy more or less confirmed it with all its talk of "infinity stones". So watch for more Thanos cameos in the Ultron flick, I guess.
posted by baf at 7:29 PM on October 22, 2014 [1 favorite]


I thought that it was already leaked that Civil War will be the plotline for Captain America 3? That was why RDJ signed on for that movie.

More likely the other way around, if you ask me: they signed RDJ because he's what sells tickets, then chose Civil War because it's a storyline that makes heavy use of both Cap and Iron Man.
posted by baf at 7:32 PM on October 22, 2014 [1 favorite]


Nice use of being owned by Disney there.

I think of it more as, "It sure is efficient the way Pixar owns everything now..."
posted by mikelieman at 7:36 PM on October 22, 2014


*please return to this comment in April*

I do wonder if Tony jabbing Bruce with that little needle/sample-taker/pen thing in the first Avengers is going to ....come back.
posted by The Whelk at 7:47 PM on October 22, 2014 [6 favorites]


I thought it was a great trailer, and bet Marvel and ABC will show something a bit different next week instead. (Agents of Shield isn't altogether a bad show, and has gotten better this season.)
posted by Catblack at 7:50 PM on October 22, 2014


There's been no official confirmation that Civil War is happening in the movies. There was a report in Variety that cited no sources and had no quotes, not even from unnamed people "familiar with the matter." But it wasn't flatly denied, which is all it takes to turn a sketchy report into news stories and then into accepted fact ( and then into disappointment when the subject of the rumor doesn't do the thing they were never planning on doing in the first place).

I'm not saying it's not going to be Civil War, I'm just saying that it's not a lock either.

Also, Netflix has the animated version of Planet Hulk, and it's pretty good for what it is. It will definitely pass the time if you have a lot of laundry to fold.
posted by Ian A.T. at 7:50 PM on October 22, 2014 [2 favorites]


If you want a Cap v Stark story you can take elements of Civil War and weave them in, but I doubt it'll resemble the comics in any strong way.
posted by The Whelk at 7:52 PM on October 22, 2014 [1 favorite]


I DON'T WANNA SLEEP, I JUST WANNA KEEP ON basking in the warm voice of Robot James Spader
posted by nicebookrack at 7:52 PM on October 22, 2014 [1 favorite]


I'm not saying it's not going to be Civil War, I'm just saying that it's not a lock either.

I don't think we can get to Civil War from where we are now. There's too many pieces missing still. We need Reed Richards and Dr. Strange for The Initiative, right?
posted by mikelieman at 7:55 PM on October 22, 2014 [1 favorite]


Steve and Tony getting into a huge destructive argument however yes I can see that.
posted by The Whelk at 7:57 PM on October 22, 2014 [1 favorite]


"Ultron, we would have words with thee!"
posted by lovecrafty at 7:58 PM on October 22, 2014 [2 favorites]


Hey as long as it still inspires a bunch of angsty Stony slashfic I really don't care with what version of Civil War they go with in the movies.
posted by Jacqueline at 8:00 PM on October 22, 2014 [4 favorites]


So, can Disney get around to buying everyone else who owns Marvel movie rights soon, so we can get the crazy crossover stuff we really want?

(Seriously, I'm hoping for some kind of movie adaptation of that whole Spider-Man/Doctor Strange/Dormammu/Doctor Doom story with the Mindless Ones in Noo Yawk and everything. It was one of the first Spider-Man stories I read, and definitely the first Doctor Strange story, and it was weird and cosmic and wonderful.)
posted by Joakim Ziegler at 8:00 PM on October 22, 2014 [1 favorite]


Also, Avengers / Boston Legal crossover, please.
posted by Joakim Ziegler at 8:01 PM on October 22, 2014 [10 favorites]


Steve and Tony getting into a huge destructive argument however yes I can see that.

My research during this has turned up an apropos 'citation':
Tony is the villain known as Iron Man. Steve is Captain America. Outside work, Steve and Tony are married and do not know each other's secret identities.
32 states, right, Cap?
posted by mikelieman at 8:01 PM on October 22, 2014


Ugh, if they get Civil War in my Cap movies I will cry many fangirl tears. Fuckin' Civil War. Feh.
posted by lovecrafty at 8:01 PM on October 22, 2014 [4 favorites]


Reed and Dr. Strange (and Prof X and Namor, who are also missing) are part of the Illuminati, not the Initiative. The Initiative was a part of the Civil War storyline, but the Illuminati weren't, really. The group dissolved during Civil War.
posted by painquale at 8:02 PM on October 22, 2014


Steve and Tony getting into a huge destructive argument however yes I can see that.

By accident or design the movies have set them up quite nicely in their respective Civil War corners: Stark the government connected industrialist, Steve the outsider with reason to be suspicious of top down authority.
posted by Artw at 8:02 PM on October 22, 2014 [1 favorite]


A government act to register all half dozen superheroes might stretch things though.
posted by Artw at 8:04 PM on October 22, 2014 [4 favorites]


For the record, I REALLY don't want a movie version of Civil War, AKA the storyline that made me actively loathe Tony Stark for years, until said loathing was only quelled by Robert Downey Jr Tony (whom it will cause me physical pain to hate).

That said, I can still definitely see how Civil War could play out with Bruce Banner / Hulk in the pivotal Spider-Man role: Tony's good friend who's rightfully wary of government control and turns to Steve / against Tony for it.

THAT said, Civil War would still be a waste this early. There's no point in the OMG DRAMA of tearing apart the Great Captain America / Iron Man Bromance when MCU Steve/Tony just barely achieved the "grudgingly don't hate you" early stage of friendship.
posted by nicebookrack at 8:04 PM on October 22, 2014 [3 favorites]


Again, I don't think they can get to Civil War from here, and I agree that's good. I mean, how could they even think of it without the She-Hulk. Oh, look, they cancelled She-Hulk-again...
posted by mikelieman at 8:05 PM on October 22, 2014



By accident or design the movies have set them up quite nicely in their respective Civil War corners: Stark the government connected industrialist, Steve the outsider with reason to be suspicious of top down authority.


they can just hug it out.
posted by The Whelk at 8:05 PM on October 22, 2014 [1 favorite]


Reed and Dr. Strange (and Prof X and Namor, who are also missing) are part of the Illuminati, not the Initiative. The Initiative was a part of the Civil War storyline, but the Illuminati weren't, really. The group dissolved during Civil War.

You're right. That was the run-up to World War Hulk? Or was that part of Secret War?
posted by mikelieman at 8:06 PM on October 22, 2014


I probably would have said it was too early for a Winter Soldier movie too if I had thought about it beyond squeeeee.
posted by Artw at 8:06 PM on October 22, 2014


they can just hug hump it out.

FTFY.
posted by Jacqueline at 8:08 PM on October 22, 2014


I love Marvel's reaction on Twitter to the trailer leak, "Dammit, Hydra."
posted by misha at 8:09 PM on October 22, 2014 [15 favorites]


RDJ's Tony Stark owes an awful lot to Civil War, though. Civil War created a kind of rough draft of a Tony Stark that RDJ perfected.

I dunno, I like Civil War a lot more than other people seem to, but I read it in the spirit of a What If. It gets a lot of characters wrong, but so does that What If where Wolverine becomes king of the vampires and kills most of the MU, and that story rules.
posted by painquale at 8:09 PM on October 22, 2014


My research during this

Is this encouragement to post fluffy Avengers romance fanfic recs? Because I can GIVE you fluffy Avengers romance fanfic recs.
posted by nicebookrack at 8:10 PM on October 22, 2014 [5 favorites]


I'm really hoping they are smart enough to realize the window for making a Black Widow movie before Scarlet Johansson is locked solid making action movies is growing smaller.
posted by Artw at 8:12 PM on October 22, 2014 [1 favorite]


Is this encouragement to post fluffy Avengers romance fanfic recs? Because I can GIVE you fluffy Avengers romance fanfic recs.

Yes. please.
posted by Jacqueline at 8:16 PM on October 22, 2014


Name your desired ships and level/lack of sexual activity, Jacqueline et al, and we will provide!
posted by nicebookrack at 8:18 PM on October 22, 2014 [1 favorite]


1) Stony or anything with Coulson in it
2) ALL THE SEX
ty
posted by Jacqueline at 8:20 PM on October 22, 2014 [2 favorites]


In kinda-Black-Widowish good news: on Agents of SHIELD, we finally got (SPOILER LINKS) Bobbi "Mockingbird" Morse!!
posted by nicebookrack at 8:20 PM on October 22, 2014 [4 favorites]


also, look at least two different shots of Clint that means he's in at least one scene.
posted by The Whelk at 8:24 PM on October 22, 2014 [2 favorites]


Wait, Civil War is the next storyline?

But isn't the MCU US government, like laughably incompetent? I mean, they can't control/handle ANY of the Avengers, they needed a billionaire with an advanced toy to "privatize world peace", and even their national security jewel in the crown (SHIELD), was, pretty much totally infiltrated by HYDRA.

It would be to the point where if they started a super hero registration program, it would make HEALTH.GOV'S launch look like the New Deal.

I can just imagine the FBI looking up HULK's address and finding out he lives at 123 Fake Street.
posted by FJT at 8:28 PM on October 22, 2014 [3 favorites]


$5 says Hawkeye and Scarlet Witch end up flirting and hooking up, because
A) I am suspicious that Joss Whedon will play Bruce/Natasha up as the new Buffy/Angel tragic romaaaaance; and
B) in the comics Clint and Wanda had sex that one time, although it turned out later that Wanda had actually been a Doombot. I...wonder how Clint felt about that. I wonder how DOOM felt about that.
posted by nicebookrack at 8:31 PM on October 22, 2014 [1 favorite]


If they have Hulkbuster armor, I want the teaser at the end to be Stark fighting the Hulkified Stan Lee from the LEGO Marvel Super Heroes game. (Unlockable Stan Lee has all the powers, he's adorable.)
posted by fifteen schnitzengruben is my limit at 8:33 PM on October 22, 2014


Also if the Scarlet Witch / JARVISion romance story comes out too, we can have a love triangle involving Hawkguy and the computer that babysit Tony Stark.
posted by nicebookrack at 8:35 PM on October 22, 2014 [1 favorite]


Man, it's amazing how much stuff seems obviously set up for the MCU now.

From the trailer, it looks like they'll be doing something akin to the first half of Planet Hulk. It'll probably be early in the film so Ultron can blindside everyone in the second act, as well as take Banner off the board for dealing with him (is there anyone left in MCU in Tony's league intellectually? We don't have Reed or even Pym in this universe yet.)

So then we're set after this to do Civil War for Cap 3. That actually works perfectly because it doesn't have to follow the plotline at all either. It just needs Steve and Tony to be in opposite camps of an important issue. CW was just a broad allegory anyway where Speedball = 9/11 and Registration = The War on Terror(tm). Plus *REDACTED* dies at the end and that seems to line up nicely with a certain someone's contract issues.

After that they can callback on Planet Hulk. Again, they don't have to do the book plotline and have space gladiators. I think the crux of it will be Hulk 2 is a Cosmic adventure, with him returning to earth either at the end of his movie or (more likely) at the beginning of Avengers 3. While he's in space they'll probably have him interact with Thanos, crossover with GotG, or both.

Oh, and we also now have an MCU with both Vision and Scarlet Witch so clearly some version of House of M is bound to happen. Plus even with all this we're still nowhere near assembling the Infinity Gauntlet.
posted by Freon at 8:36 PM on October 22, 2014 [2 favorites]


Oh, and we also now have an MCU with both Vision and Scarlet Witch so clearly some version of House of M is bound to happen.

But there are no mutants in this universe - including Mageneto - so House of M would be somewhat impossible, no?
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 8:40 PM on October 22, 2014


They're saving House of M for when they've begged/borrowed/stolen all the scattered Marvel movie properties back, so they can smashsmoosh them all together and yell CHAOS MAGIC REALITY RESET LOL!
posted by nicebookrack at 8:42 PM on October 22, 2014 [4 favorites]


IIRC The Powers That Be have said several times that there are no plans for Planet Hulk, but that doesn't necessarily mean they aren't lying liars who lie. Although I would be unhappy with any Hulkfest with screentime that is 90% Hulk / only 10% adorably rumpled Bruce Banneruffalo.
posted by nicebookrack at 8:44 PM on October 22, 2014


Man I just want Bucky!Cap, if Chris Evans is only up for a few more movies.
posted by dogheart at 8:55 PM on October 22, 2014


Cap and/or Coulson.

I'll be in my bunk.
posted by Orange Dinosaur Slide at 9:00 PM on October 22, 2014 [1 favorite]


Of course I'm still expecting a full on Invasion of The Body Snatchers/Secret Invasion thing to go down

It's Skrulls over in Agents of SHIELD, isn't it? Kyle MacLachlan is a Skrull.
posted by davros42 at 9:05 PM on October 22, 2014 [1 favorite]


Man I just want Bucky!Cap, if Chris Evans is only up for a few more movies.

My dark Stony heart will not be thawed not cause I married a man who is an engineering genius who is building a robot lab and is kind of cocky with regulators damnnit we need a JARVIS and I need better blonde highlights
posted by The Whelk at 9:09 PM on October 22, 2014 [2 favorites]


As requested, this is a random assortment of fluffy Steve/Tony SEXUALLY EXPLICIT FYI romance, posted here instead of memailed like a respectable person because it's all well-written, funny, and engaging fanfic smut about superheroes.

Enjoy! Or avoid. Or ask me for alternate recs. Or ask me to stop. Whatever you like.

Run Program: DUM-E: oh god, it's Dummy the robot as both WALL-E and Hachiko, it's hilarious and also induces sobbing
(There'll Be Bluebirds Over) the Highway to Hell: How much do I love stories in which Steve can (canonically!) lift Mjolnir? SO MUCH.
Semaphore: The most Pepperony-friendly Pepper/Tony breakup ever, with bonus Ryan Reynolds.
The Last Love Song of Anthony E. Stark: hello magic amnesia, you are my favorite romance trope, never leave me please
How to Lose a Super Soldier in One Easy Step: That "Pushing Daisy" mashup you never knew you always wanted.
The Twice-Told Tale: My favorite story feature (GVZR GENIRY EBZNNNAPR) is probably also a major spoiler, hence the ROT13 cypher in the parentheses. Read the story anyway!
Love among the Hydrothermal Vents: Tony fights Namor the Sub-Mariner and an octopus for Steve's love! Not really. BUT YES.
posted by nicebookrack at 9:14 PM on October 22, 2014 [14 favorites]


Again, they don't have to do the book plotline and have space gladiators

Sez you!
posted by mikelieman at 9:23 PM on October 22, 2014


Plus even with all this we're still nowhere near assembling the Infinity Gauntlet.

Best. MacGuffin. Ever.
posted by mikelieman at 9:24 PM on October 22, 2014


I noticed in that infographic posted earlier of the announced schedules of the various super hero movies that Deadpool is getting a movie, but is owned by Fox. This displeases me because over at Disney, I could hold out hope for the Deadpool Kills The Star Wars Universe crossover that we deserve.
posted by sparkletone at 9:44 PM on October 22, 2014


If you haven't seen the Deadpool CGI test footage that kickstarted the forthcoming movie, it's amazing.
posted by nicebookrack at 9:46 PM on October 22, 2014 [3 favorites]


LOL. I hadn't. And apparently the script is by the two guys who wrote Zombieland and GI Joe 2 which seems pretty right for the tone a Deadpool movie should have.

Anything that leads to more videos of Deadpool cosplayers being wacky at conventions.
posted by sparkletone at 9:54 PM on October 22, 2014


nicebookrack: "If you haven't seen the Deadpool CGI test footage that kickstarted the forthcoming movie, it's amazing."

Is that real? Because it seems almost too wink-wink internet savvy to be real.
posted by Joakim Ziegler at 10:04 PM on October 22, 2014


Even when I like a superhero movie, I am conflicted. I believe superhero movies train the populace to look for silver bullet solutions, deus ex machina, anything to solve our problems but solving them ourselves. At best this diverts resources from solutions. At worst, it trains people to look to authorities for their salvation.
posted by BentFranklin at 10:06 PM on October 22, 2014 [1 favorite]


It's definitely real, motion-captured and voiced by Ryan Reynolds a few years ago.
posted by nicebookrack at 10:07 PM on October 22, 2014


And apparently the script is by the two guys who wrote Zombieland and GI Joe 2 which seems pretty right for the tone a Deadpool movie should have.

Er, did you see GI Joe 2? It's like it was written by @Horse_ebooks.
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 10:21 PM on October 22, 2014 [1 favorite]


A Deadpool movie written by Horse_ebooks would be perfect on so many levels.
posted by nicebookrack at 10:28 PM on October 22, 2014 [12 favorites]


So I'm into MCU but know nothing about the comics. For a long time, I didn't realize that the X-Men were supposed to be part of the same universe, and I think I'll find it pretty weird if they do get those rights back and start integrating. They seem like they just don't fit together, really.
posted by vibratory manner of working at 10:30 PM on October 22, 2014


Er, did you see GI Joe 2? It's like it was written by @Horse_ebooks.

Yes, and I will cheerfully admit to applying, shall we say, different standards of quality to such work after quite a lot to drink. Or rather, my standards are the same, but my expectations are perfectly calibrated and I was exposed to MST3k at a fairly young age and know how to have a good time regardless.
posted by sparkletone at 10:31 PM on October 22, 2014


A Deadpool movie written by Horse_ebooks would be perfect on so many levels.

Deadpool Kills Everything That Happens So Much.
posted by sparkletone at 10:32 PM on October 22, 2014 [2 favorites]


So I'm into MCU but know nothing about the comics. For a long time, I didn't realize that the X-Men were supposed to be part of the same universe, and I think I'll find it pretty weird if they do get those rights back and start integrating. They seem like they just don't fit together, really.

I don't think this will ever really happen. Sony will literally never relinquish Spider-Man, it's why they churn out a crappy Amazing Spider-Man movie every few years. There's a statute of limitations on the rights and if they let it lay fallow, they revert back to Marvel. The X-Men are in better shape createively, but ... still.

Honestly, I think it's been good for Marvel because they couldn't coast on the fact that (at least as far as I know) Spider-Man and the X-Men were much bigger name characters back when Marvel was getting MCU off the ground. And certainly the other studios' movies would be declared non-canon immediately and ignored. They don't fit the house style. They'd also have to deal with awkward questions about "what has Spider-Man been doing all this time. Why didn't anyone noticed all these people-we-couldn't-call-mutants running around?"
posted by sparkletone at 10:43 PM on October 22, 2014


So FYI the recent Secret Avengers comics have been an elaborate jokey riff on "Tlön, Uqbar, Orbis Tertius" because why not, and at one point Deadpool appears out of nowhere to, like, explain metafiction via hijinks with Hawkeye set to Kanye West songs, and it's like--is this the real life? Is this just fantasy?

Anyway, I'm declaring Borges Deadpool as sharing continuity with Horse_ebooks Deadpool.
posted by nicebookrack at 10:50 PM on October 22, 2014 [3 favorites]


A Deadpool movie written by Horse_ebooks would be perfect on so many levels.

Screw it, let's go the whole hog and write it Doge style.

So merc. Many mouth. Much stab.
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 10:53 PM on October 22, 2014 [9 favorites]


Kamala Khan, the new Ms Marvel, spoke in Doge when she met Wolverine. Much wow.
posted by lovecrafty at 10:57 PM on October 22, 2014 [5 favorites]


Listen up, young whippersnappers, it's your job to remember to tell people in fifty years that Kamala speaking doge is and was hilarious.
posted by nicebookrack at 11:01 PM on October 22, 2014 [5 favorites]


Apologia if already mentioned, Marvel Releases Early Peek After Online Leak.
posted by phaedon at 12:23 AM on October 23, 2014


Wait, really? A reboot of Suicide Squid?

Suicide Squid, Suicide Squid
Does whatever a squid...did?
Can he swing from a noose?
Take a look, cooked his goose.
posted by straight at 12:33 AM on October 23, 2014 [3 favorites]


One of the interesting bits of overlap is how Person of Interest is handling AI existence. The common theme is the AIs really, really resenting any limitations placed on it.
posted by the man of twists and turns at 12:37 AM on October 23, 2014 [3 favorites]


Suicide Squid is a DC property, so Warner Bros will fuck it up and make it grimdark.
posted by MartinWisse at 1:51 AM on October 23, 2014


I know it was a derail from way back in the thread, but I've thought for a long time that Mr Miracle could be the thing for DC. Partly because it really should be fun (the back story for Scott and Barda is, after all, that they're refugees from a regime where they were subjected as children to unimaginable cruelty and abuse - they wouldn't need the front of the movie to be dark with that there), partly because very few people even think they know what Mr Miracle should be like, so the film makers can do what they want (that was the advantage that Marvel had with Iron Man - if you read comic books you knew about Iron Man, but otherwise not, so they were free to take the bits they liked and discard the rest - DC's problem is the expectations that people have of the Big Three, or at least the Big Two they've made films of so far); partly because you could cast Helen Mirren as Granny Goodness, which is something that ought to happen in a rational universe.

I mean if DC really did want to annoy Marvel, they could aim to get a Darkseid-villained New Gods movie out there before Thanos features in Avengers 3. Though in order to work it would have to be at least not-bad, so it's not likely.

Oh, and I'd hoped that James Spader would play Ultron as a slightly fey, creepy geek type like Sex Lies and Videotape or Secretary, so very slightly disappointed.
posted by Grangousier at 2:14 AM on October 23, 2014


Kyle MacLachlan is a Skrull.

I've been saying this for years
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 2:20 AM on October 23, 2014 [2 favorites]


Clint and Wanda had sex that one time, although it turned out later that Wanda had actually been a Doombot. I...wonder how Clint felt about that.

"Dude, whatever. I had sex."
posted by Paul Slade at 2:37 AM on October 23, 2014


Apologies if I missed this, but how are they retconning Ultron being Hank Pym's invention?

Also, I wish I had cable at this point because I has a sad about the AoS spoilers.
posted by Kitteh at 4:25 AM on October 23, 2014


Upcoming superhero movies infographic

That a ton of Marvel "Unknown Movies" on that graphic. Are those placeholders for re-boots of previous movies that, for whatever reason, don't fit the universe now?
posted by Thorzdad at 4:34 AM on October 23, 2014


Apologies if I missed this, but how are they retconning Ultron being Hank Pym's invention?

In the MCU, Ultron is created by Tony Stark.
posted by Jacqueline at 5:06 AM on October 23, 2014


Seriously, I'm hoping for some kind of movie adaptation of that whole Spider-Man/Doctor Strange/Dormammu/Doctor Doom story with the Mindless Ones in Noo Yawk and everything. It was one of the first Spider-Man stories I read, and definitely the first Doctor Strange story, and it was weird and cosmic and wonderful.

OMG I still have that comic in a box at home! You've just made me want to go dig it out and read it.

is there anyone left in MCU in Tony's league intellectually? We don't have Reed or even Pym in this universe yet.

Rocket Raccoon.

No, really. I want to see this scene on the big screen so bad
posted by Fleebnork at 5:14 AM on October 23, 2014 [4 favorites]


Also, Avengers / Boston Legal crossover, please.

I never even knew how badly I wanted Shatner in the MCU until just now.

pretty damn bad, as it turns out

Count Nefaria? Could use Chris Pine as the younger version...

posted by Halloween Jack at 5:19 AM on October 23, 2014 [1 favorite]


There are rumors that Hank Pym used to work with SHIELD and maybe Tony will base Ultron in part on old Pym tech from the '60s-'70s, since Michael Douglas Pym will be in Ant-Man, also out in 2015. But so far, only rumors.

Kitteh, you can (legally) watch "Agents of SHIELD" online for free on a week delay at ABC or I think Hulu. (And illegally other ways.)
posted by nicebookrack at 5:21 AM on October 23, 2014


The problem with Civil War is the most interesting part of it involves Spider-Man and it requires a lot more masked heroes around to work. Even if you throw in the Defenders and the AoS heroes there aren't that many.

I really, really hope they kill Tony or convert him to supervillain or something because I really feel like he's limiting what can be done with the MCU with his wit and charisma making things always about him (especially since Whedon is kind of shit at writing Cap, so Stark becomes the default lead). Kill him and replace him on the team with Rescue, it'll be great.
posted by NoraReed at 5:26 AM on October 23, 2014


Oh and I'm pretty sure Jane Foster is Stark's equal, if not his superior.
posted by NoraReed at 5:28 AM on October 23, 2014 [3 favorites]


Darcy, Pepper, and JARVISion need to hang out and swap scientist-wrangling stories.
posted by nicebookrack at 5:31 AM on October 23, 2014 [1 favorite]


Kitteh, you can (legally) watch "Agents of SHIELD" online for free on a week delay at ABC or I think Hulu. (And illegally other ways.)

I know! We do download/stream all the current series we like, but I have two jobs now, so my free time to watch TV is limited. These days, everything has to wait until the weekend because when I get home, I want to fall asleep! So yeah, I will always always be a few days behind any show I like.

Shepherd's response to when I asked about the origins of Ultron: "Essentially Hank Pym wanted to create an independent self-replicating robot. What he didn't figure on was that the robot would have Daddy Issues."
posted by Kitteh at 5:33 AM on October 23, 2014


I suspect/hope that Ultron vs JARVISion will be a Daddy Issues Fight, Good Robot Son vs Evil Robot Son. Double Daddy Issues, since Tony created JARVIS and Ultron creates Vision.
posted by nicebookrack at 5:48 AM on October 23, 2014 [1 favorite]


Actually, a goofy, happy Suicide Squad would work, from the Ostrander run: Captain Boomerang, the Penguin, Bronze Tiger, Duchess, Deadshot and Amanda Waller. All cheerfully, unconflicted as they tool on whoever Amanda points them at, so long as it gets them out of jail.

"The deal is off if you accidentally hurt any innocent bystanders."
"Of course, Ms. Waller"
"It's also off if you hurt any innocent bystanders on purpose."
"Oh, come on, please? Just a few?"
"No."
What if they look like a jerk and have it coming?"
"No."
posted by Slap*Happy at 5:49 AM on October 23, 2014 [2 favorites]


Slap*Happy, I have to say that while it's cool seeing Amanda Waller and Suicide Squad used/referenced in Arrow, it's disappointing to see they made her skinny.
posted by Kitteh at 6:19 AM on October 23, 2014 [2 favorites]


They're saving House of M for when they've begged/borrowed/stolen all the scattered Marvel movie properties back, so they can smashsmoosh them all together and yell CHAOS MAGIC REALITY RESET LOL!

Pleasepleasepleaseplease.
posted by Foosnark at 6:27 AM on October 23, 2014


Slap*Happy, I have to say that while it's cool seeing Amanda Waller and Suicide Squad used/referenced in Arrow, it's disappointing to see they made her skinny.

That pissed me off so much.
posted by griphus at 6:27 AM on October 23, 2014


it's disappointing to see they made her skinny.

They did this in the nu52 reboot, right?

Once again, Timmverse FTW.
posted by mikelieman at 6:36 AM on October 23, 2014 [3 favorites]


so they can smashsmoosh them all together and yell CHAOS MAGIC REALITY RESET LOL!

House-of-M in reverse? Instead of getting rid of the superheros, they all just show up and everything's normal!
posted by mikelieman at 6:37 AM on October 23, 2014 [2 favorites]


They can adapt Civil War the same way they did Extremis: not literally/totally faithfully, but they can introduce the core of government action driving a wedge between the heroes. Given that Marvel has said they want to shake up the Avengers lineup down the road, this is a good way to do that and let Downey and the Chrises go on to other things.

It's the obvious play, really. Groundwork's laid in the first Avengers movie and Cap 2, and distrust of government and the M/I complex is becoming a thing in the MCU. Now Tony making Iron Automatons and Ultron in the wake of his early drunken recklessness and PTSD is going to strain the team's trust in him even more. Come Cap 3, kaboom.

You lose the Spider-Man stuff, but that means you also lose that deal-with-the-devil horseshit. Frankly Civil War could use a rewrite, Spidey or no Spidey. I hope they try it. Lord knows they've had unlikely successes before.

That pissed me off so much.

To be fair, DC fucked that up in the comics first. Waller 2.0 as sexy lady is now considered canon, gag.
posted by middleclasstool at 6:39 AM on October 23, 2014 [3 favorites]


it's disappointing to see they made her skinny.

It's not just the fact that they made Amanda Waller skinny, it's that she's also played by a supermodel-pretty 29-year-old, apparently for CW youth-appeal reasons. I enjoy Arrow quite a bit, but my disbelief doesn't quite suspend with their version of Waller. The whole point of her character in the pre-New 52 comics is that she's a non-conventionally superheroic (overweight, middle-aged, non-glamorous) woman who by sheer force of intellect and determination has made herself and her organization into a force that can bring demigods to heel.

Back on the main topic, the Avengers trailer was pretty neat. I don't see why people are complaining about not getting to see anything cool. If you compare this teaser to the original Captain America post-credits teaser for the first film -- which consisted of a bunch of fast cuts of characters we'd already seen, and zero sense of story -- this thing is a smorgasbord.
posted by Strange Interlude at 6:41 AM on October 23, 2014 [3 favorites]


I really hope they get some Hawkguy characterization into A3, meanwhile. He hardly got any screentime in the first one, so it's not like it'll be a major shift.

Also this.
posted by griphus at 6:52 AM on October 23, 2014 [4 favorites]


And, yeah, Waller's appearance is DC canon now, but "it's DC canon now" is in my opinion a really, really good reason to not do something rather than follow its example into other universes.
posted by griphus at 6:54 AM on October 23, 2014 [3 favorites]


I sort of like the thought of Jeremy Renner reading Matt Fraction's current arc with Hawkeye and being so so hopeful. But then the sad Peanuts music playing as he walks from the studio offices out to his car.
posted by Kitteh at 7:20 AM on October 23, 2014 [5 favorites]


Aww MCU...
posted by logicpunk at 7:26 AM on October 23, 2014


I am a teeny bit disappointed that the officially released trailer only includes the grimdark portion as it was shown at the SDCC panel, and leaves out the laid back, funny "who can lift Mjolnir" segment.
posted by The Pluto Gangsta at 7:28 AM on October 23, 2014 [1 favorite]


GodDAMN, do I hate the Nu52 revision of Amanda Waller. I'm not even a big "Suicide Squad" fan, I'm just a huuuuge fan of the scene in "Justice League Unlimited" where Batman and Waller get into a staredown, him backed up by the League, her backed up by the frickin' army, and he smirks, "Mine are bigger than yours!"
And she backs down, but then makes it clear with a single phrase that she's only backing down because the winning move that she's keeping in her pocket, the next step in the escalation, is the one that will ruin him. Awesome.

And it's such a great, specific characterization that she had in that show. I don't know how the comic book version compared, but replacing her with Yet Another Supermodel sucks enormously.

On "Age of Ultron": can't wait. I am so very much in the bag for the MCU at this point that I don't even talk about it to other people because hoo boy can I get tedious on the subject. But I will say this about the trailer: I like the whole "no strings" motiff that they're establishing for Ultron, his harping on his unexpected autonomy, because the MCU version of Tony Stark is a goddamn control freak underneath all that enormous wit and charisma, and also currently a control freak with the complication of PTSD. He's such a control freak that he's already built a suit particularly to take down his best buddy.

A villain that grows from his designs, or more specifically, one that outgrows his designs, is a great choice. And the fallout from this story could easily give rise to an MCU version of "Civil War" if Stark's response to these events is to attempt even more control. Because Natasha and Steve, as we've already seen in "Winter Soldier", won't go along with that.
posted by Ipsifendus at 7:33 AM on October 23, 2014 [3 favorites]


Hawkguy Age of Ultron poster.

There have been filming pics of Hawkeye, Scarlet Witch, and Quicksilver in a fight together—not against each other—so maybe Clint gets focus by bringing Wanda and Piotr in from their Heel Face Turn. Non-Powered Guy and the Wonder Twins.
posted by nicebookrack at 7:38 AM on October 23, 2014 [3 favorites]


House-of-M in reverse? Instead of getting rid of the superheros, they all just show up and everything's normal!

WAIT WAIT, what if the MCU is already the House of M "No More Mutants" universe in media res, and MCU House of M is the reset button?
posted by nicebookrack at 7:48 AM on October 23, 2014 [2 favorites]


James Spader is nice and all singing that Pinocchio song, but he's no Beyoncé!
posted by onlyconnect at 7:57 AM on October 23, 2014


That IS Andy Serkis, chums!
And with that face hair that can probably be only one person!
KLAW!
And you know what Klaw means?
BLACK (motherfucking PANTHER.

(also, Caps' shield is broken, so he might need some vibranium from a certain African nation).

Of course, I am the person who wants a Ralph & Sue Dibny movie done in the style of "Pillow Talk," so that might not be surprising.

With Jean Loring and Doctor Light? Fun for everyone!

/went there.
posted by Mezentian at 8:17 AM on October 23, 2014 [3 favorites]


House-of-M in reverse? Instead of getting rid of the superheros, they all just show up and everything's normal!

I can't imagine why anyone would think House-of-M would make a good movie, but I really love this idea if Marvel should ever get back the rights to Spider-Man, the Fantastic Four, and/or the X-Men. It would also be a pretty easy way to swap in some new actors for the ones who are getting too old and/or too tired of this stuff.
posted by straight at 8:19 AM on October 23, 2014 [1 favorite]


House-of-M in reverse? Instead of getting rid of the superheros, they all just show up and everything's normal!

More mutants.
posted by Foosnark at 8:20 AM on October 23, 2014


Slap*Happy, I have to say that while it's cool seeing Amanda Waller and Suicide Squad used/referenced in Arrow, it's disappointing to see they made her skinny.

Yeah, Pam Grier's stint in the character is ideal. Ideal. After that, you almost have to ruin the character, because there ain't nobody better suited to the role.
posted by Slap*Happy at 8:21 AM on October 23, 2014 [2 favorites]


Non-Powered Guy and the Wonder Twins.

Gleek
posted by mikelieman at 8:28 AM on October 23, 2014


Yeah, Pam Grier's stint in the character is ideal.

A challenger appears!
CCH Pounder is, in fact, near perfect for the role.
Although, I admit, I have not seen those episodes of Smallville.
posted by Mezentian at 8:30 AM on October 23, 2014 [6 favorites]


I can't imagine why anyone would think House-of-M would make a good movie, but I really love this idea if Marvel should ever get back the rights to Spider-Man, the Fantastic Four, and/or the X-Men. It would also be a pretty easy way to swap in some new actors for the ones who are getting too old and/or too tired of this stuff.

It would also solve the problem of how to integrate these other characters. They "revert" back to a universe where they've always existed and are already integrated. They don't (and shouldn't) use House of M directly, but it could be about the Avengers figuring out something is wrong with their world, finding some way to "revert" it to its true form, and finding it to be a plot of Doom or something using Wanda to erase his enemies and now that they've defeated him the universe is "right" again and we have everyone.
posted by Sangermaine at 8:34 AM on October 23, 2014 [1 favorite]


We do not mention Identity Crisis in this house, Mezentian.
posted by Artw at 9:08 AM on October 23, 2014 [2 favorites]


I thought the supposed Civil War in Cap 3 thing was somewhat debunked already? Of course I can't find a link now...
posted by kmz at 9:18 AM on October 23, 2014


I'm not sure if I can handle more Hawkguy-y Hawkeye without dying from the overwhelming desire for a Hawkguys TV show sort of like Brooklyn Nine Nine
posted by NoraReed at 9:26 AM on October 23, 2014 [3 favorites]


That a ton of Marvel "Unknown Movies" on that graphic. Are those placeholders for re-boots of previous movies that, for whatever reason, don't fit the universe now?

My laman's understanding:

This is pretty standard (at least for Marvel, I dunno about other studios). Marvel's been regularly releasing two movies a year for the last I forget how long. There's been talk, I think, of moving to three even.

The tentative release dates are announced well in advance. What the movies are actually going to be aren't announced until they're greenlit because they like to have some flexibility and choice without annoying people by announcing tentative projects only to shelve them. Enough of that happens already and people get upset. We'll know what those are closer to their release dates. They have a stack of projects they could do and a vague outline of the overall crazy plan[1], publicly committing to doing one is a big deal so they're not in a hurry.

[1] - I can't find the interview, but I read one a while back with the head of Marvel's movie production wing that talked about him having a rough timeline for where MCU is going in the next decade or so mapped out on his wall.
posted by sparkletone at 9:33 AM on October 23, 2014



I'm not sure if I can handle more Hawkguy-y Hawkeye without dying from the overwhelming desire for a Hawkguys TV show sort of like Brooklyn Nine Nine


I previously wanted an Agents of SHIELD TV show that was more like Better Off Ted but now I want it merged with this concept.
posted by The Whelk at 9:47 AM on October 23, 2014 [4 favorites]


That IS Andy Serkis, chums!
And with that face hair that can probably be only one person!
KLAW!
And you know what Klaw means?


"Well, a Klaw is a Klaw, and, and, and nobody has seeeeen a talking Klawwww..."
posted by Strange Interlude at 9:51 AM on October 23, 2014 [2 favorites]


A Netflix Hawkguys show with Clint and Katie-Kate and Barney and Pizza Dog, yeeessss. Throw in Madame Hydra and the tracksuit mob and evil paparazzi, you've got yourself a stew going.
posted by nicebookrack at 10:11 AM on October 23, 2014 [3 favorites]


Cue the Pinocchio mash-up trailers.
posted by mbrubeck at 10:13 AM on October 23, 2014 [6 favorites]


Cue the Pinocchio mash-up trailers.

Thank you, Internet for coming through for us on this one.
posted by sparkletone at 10:32 AM on October 23, 2014


A Netflix Hawkguys show with Clint and Katie-Kate and Barney and Pizza Dog, yeeessss. Throw in Madame Hydra and the tracksuit mob and evil paparazzi, you've got yourself a stew going.

Bro, that would be great show, bro.
posted by Harvey Jerkwater at 10:40 AM on October 23, 2014 [4 favorites]


Meanwhile, in DC fandom ...
posted by jbickers at 10:54 AM on October 23, 2014 [6 favorites]


A Hawkeye show or movie, based on Fraction's take on the character, would indeed kick multiple varieties of ass. And I think maybe "show" would be the better of the two options. The budget constraints of a Netflix show might actually force bettter conformance to the tone of the material.

I don't have any sense of what Renner's price range is nowadays. Would he even remotely be available for a tv show? What about Ellen Page?
posted by Ipsifendus at 12:26 PM on October 23, 2014


I can't imagine a Hawkguy show would require more of a budget than Arrow. Maybe even less what with not having to purchase so much eyeshadow for the protagonist.
posted by griphus at 12:32 PM on October 23, 2014 [1 favorite]


They could just attach a camera to Pizza Dog. They wouldn't have to hire a camera operator!
posted by 1970s Antihero at 12:38 PM on October 23, 2014 [3 favorites]


"Although it features tight plotting and an excellent script, the decision to concentrate on dog asses, toilet bowls and scraps of food lying on the street has proven confusing to many viewers."
posted by griphus at 12:43 PM on October 23, 2014 [5 favorites]


They should do a TV show about the proper Hawkeye.
posted by Artw at 12:46 PM on October 23, 2014


They already did one, it ran for 11 seasons.
posted by Strange Interlude at 12:52 PM on October 23, 2014 [3 favorites]


Going by a Buzzfeed interview IIRC Arrow actually has a relatively tight budget, which is why they film in Canada and choreograph all the fight scenes so they don't have to CGI things.

And going by another article of unknown provenance I will dig up when I'm not on my phone, IIRC Renner is actually the (kinda) highest-earning Avengers actor, strictly based on the box office success of the movies he's been in (The Hurt Locker, The Town, American Hustle, Missions Impossible, etc.) I doubt that correlates on a 1:1 basis with his personal salary, though.
posted by nicebookrack at 1:04 PM on October 23, 2014


Maybe ABC can lure Jeremy Renner to Agents of SHIELD for a bit if they give him his old trailer from The Unusuals. Amber Tamblyn's too old to play Kate, but can we stick her in the MCU somewhere anyway?
posted by nicebookrack at 1:08 PM on October 23, 2014 [1 favorite]


They already did one, it ran for 11 seasons.

She doesn't look anything like that!
posted by Artw at 1:29 PM on October 23, 2014 [2 favorites]


Some speculation over on Mighty God King about possible futures for the MCU.
posted by sparkletone at 1:42 PM on October 23, 2014 [1 favorite]


Renner is also part of an EXTREMELY lucrative house restoration and flipping business in Beverly Hills -- I do sometimes wonder why he bothers acting, so maybe if he's upset with Hawkeye getting a short shift he can help fund a Hawkguy 12-episode Netflix thing.

We'd all watch it. It's win/win.
posted by The Whelk at 3:12 PM on October 23, 2014 [3 favorites]


Obligatory breakdown of the trailer. I'd.... somehow missed that Andy Serkis shows up despite watching it half a dozen times? I think maybe part of me assumed he was doing mocap despite being cagey about that when asked and I just wasn't looking for him as "some bearded dude I see for two seconds."
posted by sparkletone at 3:21 PM on October 23, 2014 [1 favorite]


....you know I was wondering when the Baron would come into this as a canonical Cap villain but I hadn't made the leap to him running the HYDRA cell we see.
posted by The Whelk at 3:39 PM on October 23, 2014


Do you suppose Renner and Whedon ever sit back and reminisce about Renner's hilarious hair in Angel?
posted by brundlefly at 3:49 PM on October 23, 2014 [3 favorites]


Renner looks weird in anything but a high and tight, I've never known another actor who can't work with any other hairstyle but one.
posted by The Whelk at 3:53 PM on October 23, 2014


brundlefly: "Do you suppose Renner and Whedon ever sit back and reminisce about Renner's hilarious hair in Angel?"

That's the most anime live-action hairstyle I've ever seen. Did he have enormously long and slim fingers and white gloves too?
posted by Joakim Ziegler at 5:13 PM on October 23, 2014 [3 favorites]


Up until now they've been very cagey about what role Serkis was playing, if any beyond some mo-cap stuff. That has to be Klaw.

I'd now damned curious to see Wakanda on screen. And Man-Ape.
posted by Mezentian at 5:38 PM on October 23, 2014


No dream-casting Black Panther yet? Chiwetel Ejiofor.
posted by Halloween Jack at 5:48 PM on October 23, 2014


Yeah, we are definitely getting Black Panther lead-ins with this movie. No wonder they've been so cagey about when they're doing Panther!
posted by nicebookrack at 5:51 PM on October 23, 2014


No dream-casting Black Panther yet? Chiwetel Ejiofor.

Well, he's worked with Whedon before.
posted by brundlefly at 5:54 PM on October 23, 2014 [1 favorite]


It's going to get awkward with T'Challa's wife working for The Other Studio....
posted by mikelieman at 7:10 PM on October 23, 2014 [1 favorite]


Dream casting Black Panther: go back in time and make someone else play Heimdall so Idris Elba can get an entire movie.
posted by sandswipe at 7:43 PM on October 23, 2014 [4 favorites]


No dream-casting Black Panther yet? Chiwetel Ejiofor.

But then he can't be Doctor Strange!
posted by Ian A.T. at 7:53 PM on October 23, 2014


In my head, Pedro Pascal is already Stephen Strange.
posted by Halloween Jack at 8:38 PM on October 23, 2014 [4 favorites]


But then he can't be Doctor Strange!

Ohhhhhhhhh!

In my head, Pedro Pascal is already Stephen Strange.

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
posted by middleclasstool at 9:16 PM on October 23, 2014


They can both be Doctor Strange. Doctors regenerate!
posted by nicebookrack at 9:19 PM on October 23, 2014


Joaquin Phoenix is definitely not playing Doctor Strange, but I thought this fan mockup was really well done.

I also gotta mention Timothy Omundson. Maybe you recognize his name from Psych, when he looked like this. But add one startlingly great beard and he looks like this. Excelsior!
posted by Ian A.T. at 9:32 PM on October 23, 2014 [1 favorite]


It's going to get awkward with T'Challa's wife working for The Other Studio....

Ex-wife now.
Problem solved. Mostly.

(That was a damn silly idea anyway).
posted by Mezentian at 10:37 PM on October 23, 2014 [1 favorite]


Yeah, Marvel's T'Challa-Ororo marriage thread always felt like somebody trying to set up their only two black friends because, you know, they both have SO MUCH in common...
posted by Strange Interlude at 5:20 AM on October 24, 2014 [2 favorites]


Has anybody floated Tom Mison (Ichabod Crane on Sleepy Hollow) for Doc Strange? His week-to-week job is fighting supernatural creeps and spouting nonsense exposition, so it's almost typecasting, but he clearly has a talent for it.
posted by Strange Interlude at 5:24 AM on October 24, 2014


Finally got around to watching this and I am delighted.

It's a good teaser, while illustrating the similarities and growth of the team, as seen from the first Avenger's trailer. Both start off with things going explody and the world being at stake. But AoU doesn't have to worry about introducing us to the characters and take pains to note that the team might be coming apart.

Whedon make a point of saying that this Avengers would differ in tone from the original and it's a good choice, IMO. While the Marvel movies have been quite enjoyable, there is certain sameness to them and changes to them would be helpful As an older guy, who's seen his fair share of moves and is a little jaded with the story and character tropes, I'm particularity pleased that Ultron comes off FUCKING terrifying. Seriously, that jilted puppet like walk is deliciously creepy, while the final shot of the trailer shows something you definitely don't want come across, ever. Damn fine job.

Various notes: I don't think that's Tony Stark in the HulkBuster armor, probably an Ultron controlled IronMan suit. When the Hulkbuster appears, Hulk seems to be working with the local police force to defeat something else.

Seems like it's just a matter of when, not if, in terms of a Black Panther movie.

Love how it's clear that there's still so much more to the story i.e. the lack of appearance by a certain confirmed person.

I'm guessing the twins were experimented upon, hence why they might be hanging out with Ultron for a bit, before seemingly teaming up with the Avengers.

Hey War Machine, how YOU doing?

Tony Stark getting depressed about creating Ultron could perfectly explain why Robert Downey wouldn't be in an Iron Man 4 or there simply won't be a movie.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 6:06 AM on October 24, 2014


Tony Stark getting depressed about creating Ultron could perfectly explain why Robert Downey wouldn't be in an Iron Man 4 or there simply won't be a movie.

Henry Pym cameo or GTFO.

(Also, Janet Van Dyne).
posted by Mezentian at 6:27 AM on October 24, 2014 [1 favorite]


Maybe Tony gets all depressed and needs a break. From Earth. So he goes and hangs out with the Guardians?!

Also, didn't see the Falcon in the trailer. Damnit!
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 6:58 AM on October 24, 2014


Sam Wilson is apparently in the mix.
posted by Mezentian at 7:17 AM on October 24, 2014 [1 favorite]


I'm not sure if I have posted this before, but my parents LOVE Marvelverse movies, despite having never read a single comic based on any of the properties. When a trailer is released, I await the inevitable phone call as my mom wants to know the lowdown for whatever film. When IM3 was released, there was a SERIOUS ten minute phone call about the mental health of Tony Stark. My mom, in all earnestness, was like, "It looks like Tony is going to have some tough times. But I really believe he'll pull through."

So at some point this afternoon, I will have to explain Ultron and the twins and what Tony's mental health might be like. (Also, she will want to discuss Thor, but only because she really likes Chris Hemsworth's arms.)
posted by Kitteh at 7:28 AM on October 24, 2014 [5 favorites]


I'd guess that the vast majority of MCU film-goers have never read any of the comics, myself included.
posted by octothorpe at 7:42 AM on October 24, 2014 [1 favorite]


My mom, in all earnestness, was like, "It looks like Tony is going to have some tough times. But I really believe he'll pull through."

Aww.
posted by Iridic at 8:06 AM on October 24, 2014


but my parents LOVE Marvelverse movies, despite having never read a single comic based on any of the properties.

MeFi movie night: yourtown USA!

at some point this afternoon, I will have to explain Ultron and the twins and what Tony's mental health might be like.

Why? Let them go in blind.
It's what I do to everyone.
posted by Mezentian at 8:17 AM on October 24, 2014


That wo-man no one can quite make out?: Newsarama pulled out their magnifying glass and decided that it's probably actress Kim Soo-hyun, who has been confirmed in a supporting role in a couple of reports

I'm blanking on who that might be. I'm discounting Mantis.
posted by Mezentian at 8:23 AM on October 24, 2014


Why? Let them go in blind.
It's what I do to everyone.


They don't want to go in blind. I mean, I don't spoil the movie for them; I just answer their questions because they will ask about the Twins and the creepy robot.
posted by Kitteh at 8:30 AM on October 24, 2014


but my parents LOVE Marvelverse movies, despite having never read a single comic based on any of the properties

This how I knew Avengers was going to be huge, because my Mother-in-Law was visiting at the time and we dragged her to see it and she came out loving the film and gushing about it. Didn't know anything about the characters or start getting into the comics or what have you, but she's always done to go see a "Marvel movie".
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 8:31 AM on October 24, 2014 [3 favorites]


For some reason, I've never had much luck reading comic books or graphic novels so I love that the movies let me experience the characters and stories that I've been missing.

I'm not sure what it is but I just can't seem to force my brain to follow a story in a comic book form. I struggled through Watchmen and a few others and enjoyed them but I've got a bunch of other graphic novels and republished collections that I just can't get through.
posted by octothorpe at 8:43 AM on October 24, 2014


I suspect Robert Downey Jr, Cap's jingling butt as he boxes, Thor's arms and shoulders, Hawkeye's eyes and Banner's wounded, yet handsome nerd dignity have considerable mainstream crossover appeal. Marvel is probably leaving money on the table by not having a mini series of all those characters set in a steam room.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 8:53 AM on October 24, 2014 [3 favorites]


Avengers One Shot - Spa Day! ( the spa attendants are skrulls. )
posted by The Whelk at 9:03 AM on October 24, 2014 [4 favorites]


Avengers One Shot - Spa Day! ( the spa attendants are skrulls. )

Batman Confidential #18 springs to mind...
posted by mikelieman at 9:51 AM on October 24, 2014


ONSEN EPISODE
posted by NoraReed at 1:17 PM on October 24, 2014 [1 favorite]


Apparently Marvel is air more new footage during Agents of SHIELD to try to keep their ratings bump.
posted by sparkletone at 1:33 PM on October 24, 2014


Speaking of spas, the Russian spa scenes in Secret Avengers #1 are pretty great, especially if the standard spa episode wacky hijinks thing is your cup of tea. Hawkeye is, of course, a doofus.
posted by NoraReed at 1:41 PM on October 24, 2014


I love Hawkeye as a lovable doofus by Avengers standards, meaning he's an incredibly competent and deadly lovable doofus.

Plus Secret Avengers gives me more of the Clint/Coulson interaction that has been missing from my life.
posted by nicebookrack at 1:48 PM on October 24, 2014 [1 favorite]


Secret Avengers has become weird Borges fan fic of late, reminding me pleasantly of early Morrison Doom Patrol, only with MCU tie-in characters.
posted by Artw at 2:36 PM on October 24, 2014 [1 favorite]


Theory for how AoU goes down, based only on seeing the trailer:

Tony develops the IronMan suits for IM3 to be sort of Avengers, so this police force can operate on a global scale, in multiple countries at once. This would put an end to the Avengers, so to speak (He says something about Ultron is his fault for developing the end of the road for them). One gains sentience and decides it's going to take over everyone, the old "i'm not gonna be the servant, but the master" schtick.

That's who is in the Hulkbuster armor, attacking the Hulk. The Avengers defeat him, but at great cost to Banner (he loses control?), but since Ultron is digital, he comes back at the celebration party (seen in the trailer in the busted armor) threatens them all and takes off, works on building copies himself. Tries to recruit the twins, they're down with that, since they were tortured/experimented on. Meanwhile the Avengers are searching for something to help them defeat Ultron, perhaps Loki's staff or The Diviner from Agents of Shield. Also, Jarvis, Tony's computer lab assistant, develops into the Vision, to help out Tony. The twins decide Ultron is fucking nuts and sides with the Avengers

Then...something, something...moving to the all out battle at the end.

Big wish:
Cap gets "killed" in Cap 3, Peggy Carter takes some of the serum that has kept Dr. Whitehall from Agents of Shield looking so young since WWII, then her and Steve retire to the country and Bucky takes over the mantle of Captain America.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 5:17 PM on October 24, 2014 [1 favorite]


then her and Steve retire to the country and Bucky takes over the mantle of Captain America.

So, the ending to Batman 3, then?
I was largely with you until that point. Although I think Ultron will build Vizh, as per the comics because he wants a son.

Didn't we see Peggy die in Winter Soldier? Or at least very aged?

(And, speaking of Peggy, we have her show between now and Avengers. I'm hoping it's as awesome as her one-shot... and nothing like her comic. That Man On The Wall Stuff is silly).
posted by Mezentian at 6:24 PM on October 24, 2014


Peggy is elderly in Winter Soldier and appears to dip into senility at times.
posted by brundlefly at 6:33 PM on October 24, 2014


(But no, we don't see her die.)
posted by brundlefly at 6:33 PM on October 24, 2014 [1 favorite]


I just answer their questions because they will ask about the Twins and the creepy robot.

But surely answering those questions *during* the movie is much more fun?
posted by Mezentian at 6:40 PM on October 24, 2014


I just want someone to say to Steve "C'mon, don't be a Captain AmeriCant't!
posted by The Whelk at 6:50 PM on October 24, 2014


I just want someone to say to Steve "C'mon, don't be a Captain AmeriCant't!

Opens a trenchcoat full of vibranium shields...
posted by Slap*Happy at 7:06 PM on October 24, 2014


Constantine tonight.
posted by Artw at 7:44 PM on October 24, 2014


Was unexpectedly nice. A little wobbly, but it keeps things moving and captures the feel and attitude of the character.

Wish there was less magic though, Constantine was always great when he wasn't direct.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 8:06 PM on October 24, 2014


Constantine on FanFare.
posted by homunculus at 9:36 AM on October 25, 2014




For Doctor Strange, they missed their boat when Vincent Price died.
posted by JHarris at 9:59 AM on October 25, 2014 [1 favorite]


They mentioned looking at the Hannibal cast for Doctor Strange but I'm going to throw a dark horse out there

Raul Esparza.
posted by The Whelk at 4:51 PM on October 25, 2014 [1 favorite]


Huh. That is an interesting idea, The Whelk.
posted by brundlefly at 5:02 PM on October 25, 2014


I'm thinking his season one Chilton, which is less camp and more menacing
posted by The Whelk at 5:05 PM on October 25, 2014


And Mads Mikkelsen as the Dread Dormammu.
posted by homunculus at 6:07 PM on October 25, 2014


Let's just transplant the entire Hannibal cast into the MCU, because then we can have Gina Torres as Anyone She Damn Well Pleases.
posted by nicebookrack at 8:32 PM on October 25, 2014 [6 favorites]


Who would Gillian Anderson be?
posted by brundlefly at 12:31 AM on October 26, 2014


Dr Strange = Matt Berry.

"DOR-MAMM-UUUUUUU!!!"
posted by Grangousier at 4:46 AM on October 26, 2014 [1 favorite]


Deadline is reporting that Cumberbatch has been cast in the role of Doctor Strange.
posted by 1970s Antihero at 12:02 PM on October 27, 2014


sigh
posted by The Whelk at 12:35 PM on October 27, 2014 [1 favorite]


Once we have 'live action cgi' actors, Benedict Cumberbatch can play *everyone* in a movie! It'll be like the "Malkovich Malkovich Malkovich" scene.
posted by rmd1023 at 1:03 PM on October 27, 2014 [1 favorite]


Deadline is reporting that Cumberbatch has been cast in the role of Doctor Strange.

If this is true and the good Doctor faces off against Loki at some point, the internet will probably pass out from that orgasm.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 1:05 PM on October 27, 2014 [2 favorites]


Every major genre franchise is legally obligated to include Cumberbatch in some way or another.
posted by brundlefly at 1:13 PM on October 27, 2014


So, we're NOT at Peak-Cumberbatch yet?
posted by mikelieman at 1:48 PM on October 27, 2014 [1 favorite]


He hasn't been cast in a Star Wars yet.
posted by Green With You at 1:56 PM on October 27, 2014 [2 favorites]


Yet.
posted by brundlefly at 2:04 PM on October 27, 2014 [1 favorite]


Deadline is reporting that Cumberbatch has been cast in the role of Doctor Strange.

FUCKING DAMMIT
posted by Greg Nog at 2:20 PM on October 27, 2014 [1 favorite]


<kirk>CUMBERBAAAAATCH!!</kirk>
posted by JHarris at 2:24 PM on October 27, 2014 [1 favorite]


Stephen Strange was raised in Nebraska. Out of curiosity, I did a quick survey of living actors to see who could deliver a true Nebraskan performance, rooted in the plains and conveyed in the flat tones of a midcentury newscaster.

The results: Nick Nolte, Lucas "Fred" Cruikshank, Larry the Cable Guy, Paul Williams, Dick Cavett, Andy Roddick, Nicholas D'Agosto.

A survey of Dead Nebraskan Actors was more fruitful: Marlon Brando! Montgomery Clift! Fred Astaire! James Coburn! Henry Fonda! Wouldn't you drop a ticket right now if you could see any of those guys play Doctor Strange?

Anyway, this just goes to show that ***Having difficulty coming up with a concluding paragraph, so leaving this placeholder here for now. Must be careful to press Preview instead of Post Comment.***
posted by Iridic at 3:55 PM on October 27, 2014 [1 favorite]


Lucas "Fred" Cruikshank

Ladies and Gentlemen, we have our new Sorcerer Supreme
posted by Greg Nog at 3:57 PM on October 27, 2014


Marvel Debuts New Phase 3 Movies, Including Avengers: Infinity War!!!

Black Panther (played by Chadwick Boseman) in Cap 3 and his own movie, a Carol Danvers Captain Marvel, and an Inhumans movie? Awwwwww yisssssss.
posted by zombieflanders at 11:53 AM on October 28, 2014


Discussion of the new MCU announcement has ended up in a new thread over here.
posted by jdherg at 12:19 PM on October 28, 2014


If only Spader were playing this version of Ultron
posted by kewb at 6:24 PM on October 29, 2014 [1 favorite]


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