On finding unexpected things
January 3, 2015 6:55 PM   Subscribe

 
Metafilter: less teehee and more oh god why.
posted by 445supermag at 7:06 PM on January 3, 2015 [13 favorites]


Stalk your co-workers online for fun and profit.
posted by angerbot at 7:08 PM on January 3, 2015 [1 favorite]


"And I thought that was physics in your pants"
posted by clavdivs at 7:09 PM on January 3, 2015


Alternate title: what to do when you "internet stalk" a co-worker (author's words), read her psudonymous writing, judge it, and confront her about it. Spoiler - it ends up deepening the relationship between them, but sheesh, the hulk fic is the least wrong thing about this article.
posted by justsomebodythatyouusedtoknow at 7:11 PM on January 3, 2015 [42 favorites]


Try not to 'discover' anything about your coworkers they don't invite you into.
posted by taterpie at 7:12 PM on January 3, 2015 [54 favorites]


(Discards string-trouser theory)
posted by clavdivs at 7:16 PM on January 3, 2015


If your kink is not my kink don't tell me about it, yeesh!
posted by Mizu at 7:17 PM on January 3, 2015 [2 favorites]


That would be the "alla the time" princip.
posted by clavdivs at 7:25 PM on January 3, 2015


Nothin'.
posted by Going To Maine at 7:27 PM on January 3, 2015 [1 favorite]


what is knotting?
posted by rebent at 7:29 PM on January 3, 2015 [1 favorite]


Fanlore page for "Knotting".

You're... welcome??
posted by Mizu at 7:33 PM on January 3, 2015 [5 favorites]


Hulk... or She-Hulk...?

(... Jessica Jones and Luke Cage, from Brian Michael Bendis's groundbreaking comic Alias)
posted by Auden at 7:34 PM on January 3, 2015 [1 favorite]


Don't make them angry. You won't like them when they're angry.
posted by octobersurprise at 7:38 PM on January 3, 2015


That's my secret, Cap, I'm always writing erotic Hulk fan-fiction.
posted by nfalkner at 7:39 PM on January 3, 2015 [57 favorites]


Try not to 'discover' anything about your coworkers they don't invite you into

I don't think that we can tell she was uninvited. The coworker willingly shared her tumblr username, and that might be the same thing as sharing her fandom identity. These accounts are often clearly linked to each other.

I certainly wouldn't share my username with someone if I didn't want them to find other accounts linked to it or under the same name. Sleuthing isn't really necessary to find them. I read "internet stalking" as glib so I don't think we can tell if she was invasive or not. I'd guess probably not really.

fannish sexuality is finally a bit less taboo

As someone who has been in fandom for a very long time, I sometimes wish it was. I think that some people in fandom are so used to participating in/reading fandom meta that they don't realize how this stuff plays with "outsiders." A lot of stuff in fanworks can seem really weird, problematic*, or gross -- but you learn to have a lot of empathy for people and their kinks when you interact with them and have genuine discussions (even arguments) about where they're coming from, have seen trends grow, etc. There is also a sub-cultural ethic of being non-judgmental towards other tastes, at least in public conversations, in the sphere that this author is likely from (being associated with OTW).

Then you take it out of that context. And people do not react the same way.

what is knotting?

Yeah, see, there is an example of something I wouldn't want to explain on MetaFilter.

* Some of it is but you can bet people in fandom were the first to discuss it.
posted by Kutsuwamushi at 7:39 PM on January 3, 2015 [4 favorites]


I kinda want to post preposterous erotic fanfic just to freak out anyone digging up dirt on me. Then I'd go around the office saying things like "wow, the boss was pissed today, I thought he was gonna hulk out!" and wink and watch for uncomfortable squirming.
posted by Metroid Baby at 7:44 PM on January 3, 2015 [51 favorites]


mizu, reading that link is why i asked in the first place. Page doesn't say what it actually is
posted by rebent at 7:52 PM on January 3, 2015


A woman I once worked with had a fannish email address - I googled it and discovered ancient Yugioh fics at MediaMiner and her LJ. Later, when she was looking for a new job, I suggested that she create a "worksafe" email address because she was applying to some fairly conservative companies.
posted by betweenthebars at 7:54 PM on January 3, 2015 [1 favorite]


At least the Tumblr account led to an LJ account and an AO3 account that all belonged to the same person. My Tumblr account name doesn't match up to other accounts belonging to me, and my bland Tumblr full of translated poetry quotes and relief pitchers definitely has nothing in common with content created by others at other sites with the same username.
posted by Electric Elf at 7:56 PM on January 3, 2015 [1 favorite]


At least she's not writing erotic Sesame Street fanfic. Or erotic VeggieTales fanfic.
posted by SisterHavana at 7:59 PM on January 3, 2015 [2 favorites]


what is knotting?

Geez, you were never a scout, were you?
posted by yoink at 8:09 PM on January 3, 2015 [5 favorites]


It doesn't? *actually reads page*

Okay fine, fine, I'll be that person.

Knotting is an actual thing that some animals do. It's when part of the penis expands inside the receptive partner's body after the penis has ejaculated, sort of locking in the penis for a while, physically keeping the penis and its ejaculate inside the other individual, until the "knot" relaxes and the penis can be extracted. In the real world (and I am not a biologist and this is not my kink so I could be wrong) scientists think this is to keep competing males from also having sex with the same female.

So okay map that onto humans, plus sex that has nothing to do with vaginas, a lot of the time. There's a lot of other things that often go together with knotting in an erotica context, like different conceptions of gender, different sexual organs and characteristics, different social structures. I think that the appeal of the kink comes from possessive feelings, exploration of the animal nature of characters people like to dwell on, and a rejection of the idea that after orgasm the sex act is complete.

People who are into knotting as a kink can often also be into bestiality but I find more often that they're into other things that are associated with large object penetration, so fisting, working up to scenes with progressively larger objects, relationships requiring deep trust, and stories about visceral physical needs that might seem illogical.

Sigh. I could be using this brain space for other things, but nope.
posted by Mizu at 8:11 PM on January 3, 2015 [26 favorites]


I don't think that we can tell she was uninvited.

That's a fair point, but it's definitely best to err on the side of caution at a workplace specifically. As one Professor Farnsworth is fond of pointing out, once you've seen it, you can't un-see it. This story had a nice outcome, but that's not a gimme.

A lot of people are blissfully unaware how easy it is to dig up dirt on 'em, too. I've worked more than one place where simple search engine proficiency was regarded as magic. It's not limited to the elderly, either - plenty of kids are terrible at compartmentalization.
posted by mordax at 8:11 PM on January 3, 2015 [1 favorite]


What To Do When You Discover Your Co-Worker Writes Erotic Hulk Fanfic Is Sexually Deviant From Traditional Norms

I tend to think that "sexually deviant" is an unhelpful term because almost everyone is deviant from strict PIV missionary-position sex—most of us just don't broadcast it.

But hey, as a stripper leading a double life, my point of view on sexual deviance is going to be a bit skewed. How much of my life would change in an instant if people in my life knew that I would get naked for their mothers for the right number of dollars?

I was sitting with a couple customers recently at the club. One told me that when he discovered his coworker working at a nearby club, he left the club before she realized he was there, and later told their coworkers.

"I mean, you know that's what happens, right?" he said. "If we find out that a girl we know strips, we tell EVERYONE."

He's right. That's the worst part. I talk to my coworkers. The stories never end with, "... and I never heard about it from anyone ever again. I guess he kept my secret."

"I think it's slut-shaming," I said to the guy. "Everyone is interested in the sex lives of the people around them. But it doesn't mean that they get to know or you get to tell."

At least the guy had the shame to become suddenly engrossed in his phone until I let him off the hook with a topic change. And to my surprise and delight, his friend actually agreed with me. (I felt smug.)

I spared the guy the longer tirade, asking him why.

Why did he feel the need to spread the word? It was her choice to strip but it was his choice to tell everyone. He likely caused her genuine pain. And for what? The fleeting moment of surprise on the faces of their coworkers? He didn't have moral objections to strip clubs, otherwise he shouldn't have patronized the club in the first place.

He hurt her feelings, changed how her coworkers felt about her, impacted her job and maybe her career, for no other reason than that he could.

And now instead of thinking of her as Nancy, mummy of two adorable children, I think of her as Nancy, the filthy perv who gets off on Loki being fisted by the freaking Hulk.

And instead of thinking of me as Kiri, who works with students with anxiety disorders, she can think of me as Kiri, the filthy perv who gets off on Sherlock Holmes tied up and getting rimmed by Dr. Watson. It’s better this way, I think.


I enjoyed the article, and this tongue-in-cheek ending is cute. But tongue-in-cheek aside, I hope that readers take away that being a "filthy perv who gets off on Loki being fisted by the freaking Hulk" doesn't make Nancy any less of a "mummy of two adorable children."

I didn’t trust my poker face, so I ended up confessing to Nancy the next day.

I get where the author is coming from, but "because my poker face sucks" is a shitty reason to put Nancy in the position of having to deal with the awkwardness of talking to her coworker about her erotic fanfic. Of course, this is a "use your judgment" situation. But holding up a mirror to the situation? If a coworker at my internship found out that I strip, I would be pretty ticked if they brought it up to me the next day at work.

So, I end with a plea from your Friendly Neighborhood Stripper: when you discover that people in your life have sexually deviant behavior, please keep it to yourself.
posted by Peppermint Snowflake at 8:12 PM on January 3, 2015 [90 favorites]


please keep it to yourself.

Agreed. And even moreso, don't publish cutesy articles that will at worst out them and at best embarass them massively.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 8:16 PM on January 3, 2015 [13 favorites]


The truth is, I probably shouldn’t have Internet stalked her.

Y'think?
posted by sciatrix at 8:25 PM on January 3, 2015 [2 favorites]


For those of you horrified by knotting, you might be interested to know that docking isn't just for astronauts.
posted by boo_radley at 9:03 PM on January 3, 2015 [5 favorites]


Well, this sorta thing is why you make your AO3 account name and email private and not traceable to any other account that could lead back to oneself. In this day and age, I find myself amazed that some people are still so naive about how to make things private. Now, I have absolutely no concept of 'guilty pleasure' so my friends know I read fanfiction (and it turns out a bunch of them do as well) but we're not exactly sharing links with each other, as we don't really want to get that deep into our erotica tastes with each other. And I certainly wouldn't want co-workers to know anything at all.

But yeah, basically ya'll don't need to know what kinky fanfiction I'm reading/have enjoyed enough that I've bookmarked it.

(But it's the really good, well-written stuff, for the record)
posted by Windigo at 9:06 PM on January 3, 2015 [1 favorite]


For those of you horrified by knotting, you might be interested to know that docking isn't just for astronauts.

Even better, there's active and passive docking, along with latching and pressurizing.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 9:27 PM on January 3, 2015 [2 favorites]


Knotting is an actual thing that some animals do. It's when part of the penis expands inside the receptive partner's body after the penis has ejaculated, sort of locking in the penis for a while, physically keeping the penis and its ejaculate inside the other individual, until the "knot" relaxes and the penis can be extracted. In the real world (and I am not a biologist and this is not my kink so I could be wrong) scientists think this is to keep competing males from also having sex with the same female.

So okay map that onto humans, plus sex that has nothing to do with vaginas, a lot of the time. There's a lot of other things that often go together with knotting in an erotica context, like different conceptions of gender, different sexual organs and characteristics, different social structures. I think that the appeal of the kink comes from possessive feelings, exploration of the animal nature of characters people like to dwell on, and a rejection of the idea that after orgasm the sex act is complete.

People who are into knotting as a kink can often also be into bestiality but I find more often that they're into other things that are associated with large object penetration, so fisting, working up to scenes with progressively larger objects, relationships requiring deep trust, and stories about visceral physical needs that might seem illogical.



I think this can be safely boiled down as "Sexy werewolfs have dog dicks."
posted by kafziel at 9:28 PM on January 3, 2015 [2 favorites]


I think this can be safely boiled down as "Sexy werewolfs have dog dicks."

You'd think so wouldn't you.
posted by oneear at 9:39 PM on January 3, 2015 [3 favorites]


For those of you horrified by knotting, you might be interested to know that docking isn't just for astronauts.

Even better, there's active and passive docking, along with latching and pressurizing.


Then there's the part where you ask your partner to open the pod bay doors.
posted by TedW at 9:40 PM on January 3, 2015 [6 favorites]


I think the point was that she was a hypocrite for judging this woman, but she could've stressed that a lot harder. The message of the thing just kind of breezes by, while the OMG HULK SMUT stuff comes up over and over again.

I've been in that position myself, of finding out that somebody is into something that squicks me out even if it's really no squickier than anything I'm into. In a situation like that, you just have to be honest with yourself: you're being a hypocrite creep, so knock it off.

In conclusion: HULK SMASH (dat ass)!
posted by Ursula Hitler at 9:49 PM on January 3, 2015 [4 favorites]


Hasn't Bob's Burgers anticipated this entire story?
posted by sneebler at 9:52 PM on January 3, 2015


My immediate reaction to reading this article was that I hope the author's full-time position is at a large company where her coworker can't be outed to the rest of the internet trivially with a little googling.
posted by immlass at 9:54 PM on January 3, 2015 [8 favorites]


How little creativity do you have to have to not be able to figure out how fisting Loki with any size fist would work? The dude's a shapeshifter. He can make his orifices as roomy as he wants way more easily than pretty much anyone in the Marvelverse.

The interesting thing about knotting, to me, is that a lot of people write in an emotional aspect of it and it really seems to work for a lot of people exploring/dealing with emotional aspects of sex; there's a lot of fic where knotting requires an emotional connection or something like that, and a lot of exploration of shame and stuff through it. It's really fascinating, and I love that there's this community of writers creating sexy sex things that they and their friends can get off on because the mainstream pornography/erotica industries fail so utterly at filling in those gaps, particularly for non-men. I seriously tear up thinking about/talking about fandom sometimes because I just think the collaborative effort to fill in all the gaps left by mainstream entertainment is wonderful. ALL OF YOU ARE BEAUTIFUL, FAN-WRITERS, WITH YOUR KNOTTING AND CREATIVE USES OF SHAPESHIFTING AND HEADCANONS AND REINTERPRETATIONS AND EVERYTHING *sniff* *wipes tear*
posted by NoraReed at 9:59 PM on January 3, 2015 [29 favorites]


I don't think that we can tell she was uninvited. The coworker willingly shared her tumblr username, and that might be the same thing as sharing her fandom identity. These accounts are often clearly linked to each other. I certainly wouldn't share my username with someone if I didn't want them to find other accounts linked to it or under the same name. Sleuthing isn't really necessary to find them. I read "internet stalking" as glib so I don't think we can tell if she was invasive or not. I'd guess probably not really.

That's what I assumed, especially after things worked out so amicably. I wouldn't have posted it otherwise.
posted by homunculus at 10:00 PM on January 3, 2015


Ellen Forney described in a cartoon what happened when her parents wanted to teach the kids about reproduction by breeding their unspayed bitch to the neighbors' unfixed dog. The male knotted, the female wanted to get loose and they wound up running around the yard like a pushme-pullyu.
posted by brujita at 10:08 PM on January 3, 2015 [1 favorite]


People are endlessly fascinating.
posted by clockzero at 10:18 PM on January 3, 2015 [2 favorites]


I remember one time at TSA I was waiting around at work for something to do. I was standing behind the X-ray operator as he was visually searching bags. He stops one bags and points at the screen.

"Look," he says. It is a dildo made for strap ons. He lets the bag out of the tunnel, and we study the guy who takes the bag and walks away.

The awkward part was how we both knew it was a strap on dildo.
posted by "friend" of a TSA Agent at 10:48 PM on January 3, 2015 [8 favorites]


"At least she's not writing erotic Sesame Street fanfic. Or erotic VeggieTales fanfic."
Erotic veggie tales. Well somebody did.
posted by boilermonster at 11:20 PM on January 3, 2015


I mean the correct answer is "giggle over it with your trustworthy BFF or SO, and then never mention or allude to it in any context whatsoever because even on the internet people deserve a little privacy."
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 11:34 PM on January 3, 2015 [7 favorites]


Hee hee, ass-guardian.
posted by lollusc at 12:02 AM on January 4, 2015 [8 favorites]


Erotic veggie tales. Well somebody did.

Rule 34.


One of the interesting things about having an internet presence that is semi-permeable is that by and large I don't have to worry about people finding out my offline identity and my online name connect; an advantage to Deoridhe being rather difficult to spell is half the time people can't spell it when it's right in front of their face - nevermind remembering it.

And even with linking things explicitly up, the number of people who actually click through to different places I exist online is rare (I get maybe ten hits a month from my MeFi profile, for example). I was most bemused by the fact she internet stalked to begin with! She must have wanted to get to know her co-worker.
posted by Deoridhe at 1:14 AM on January 4, 2015 [1 favorite]


Ugh. This woman is the worst. Don't fucking stalk people. Just don't do it. It's not hard.
posted by naju at 1:31 AM on January 4, 2015 [4 favorites]


and women in their 40s are "old" and "matronly"????!!! Christ, what an asshole.
posted by a humble nudibranch at 1:45 AM on January 4, 2015 [26 favorites]


If someone tells you their tumblr name and you visit their tumblr, that's not stalking. Following a link on an 'About' page or profile is hardly stalking. However, I really hope she discussed this article with her colleague before she published, and that the fandom details are changed because telling someone about your hobby doesn't give them permission to discuss it with everyone.
posted by betweenthebars at 2:21 AM on January 4, 2015 [10 favorites]


um.. Metafilter “not all that into it” to “quietly horrified.”
posted by qinn at 2:34 AM on January 4, 2015 [2 favorites]


I've always wanted to do that.
posted by qinn at 2:36 AM on January 4, 2015 [2 favorites]


what is knotting?

Oh, my sweet summer child.
posted by Mr. Bad Example at 4:16 AM on January 4, 2015 [3 favorites]


Fin Fang Va-va Voooom!
posted by robocop is bleeding at 4:19 AM on January 4, 2015 [1 favorite]


People are endlessly fascinating.

In this context I would have gone with "In the end people are fascinating".
posted by srboisvert at 5:17 AM on January 4, 2015 [1 favorite]


People still use LiveJournal?
posted by acb at 6:13 AM on January 4, 2015 [1 favorite]


I never googlestalk my coworkerse precisely because I'd never want to learn they wrote fanfic. You can't unsee things, like what I learned about werewolves from this thread. Ugh.
posted by winna at 6:15 AM on January 4, 2015 [7 favorites]


Huh. It never occured to me to google my metafilter handle before. Not as unique as I'd imagined, apparently.
posted by eviemath at 6:38 AM on January 4, 2015


I felt really gross after reading this, and not because of the hulk-fisting-loki part. I mean, I don't really care what you do when you stalk your coworkers and find something a little deviant, but what you DON'T DO is then post an article about what you found under your own real name at a web site with a reasonably large readership, full of identifying details and a thin cover of pseudonymity.
posted by drlith at 6:57 AM on January 4, 2015 [2 favorites]


Yeah, I am totally skeeved that she did this to a co-worker. Part of a person's charm is their ability to be discrete, to be capable of some mystery (yours or someone else's). I am going to use this article as an example to students on the absolute need to be aware of their privacy.
posted by jadepearl at 7:18 AM on January 4, 2015 [1 favorite]


Peppermint Snowflake: "...she can think of me as Kiri, the filthy perv who gets off on Sherlock Holmes tied up and getting rimmed by Dr. Watson. It’s better this way, I think."

I enjoyed the article, and this tongue-in-cheek ending is cute.


Please, please tell me you did that on purpose....
posted by tzikeh at 7:31 AM on January 4, 2015 [8 favorites]


and women in their 40s are "old" and "matronly"????!!! Christ, what an asshole.

Yeah, a lot of this was, "tee hee, women in their 40s like the same things I'm so naughty and subversive for liking, instead of becoming entirely asexual, nurturing mommy types like they're supposed to!"
posted by blue suede stockings at 7:54 AM on January 4, 2015 [3 favorites]


I'm mostly psyched that there's someone in her late 40s on tumblr because it means that I'm not the oldest person there
posted by Greg Nog at 8:07 AM on January 4, 2015 [18 favorites]


... also in my late 40s and on tumblr. And still using my livejournal, though not very interactively.

The "zomg middle-aged ladies actually writing fandom porn" was what got my oh, you sweet summer child.
posted by immlass at 8:50 AM on January 4, 2015 [5 favorites]


But yeah, basically ya'll don't need to know what kinky fanfiction I'm reading/have enjoyed enough that I've bookmarked it.

Sometimes friends who aren't into fanfiction and know I am ask for recommendations, so they can see what it's like. I'm basically like, "Nope." Even the non-explicit stuff feels like way too much info about my secret fantasies.
posted by not that girl at 9:01 AM on January 4, 2015 [1 favorite]


I love that her difficulty breaking down the Marvel slashfic was a matter of the logistical incoherence of Hulk fisting Loki.

Also, some of you have a weirdly narrow view of what qualifies as stalking, though I agree that she does a half-ass job preserving her coworker's anonymity.
posted by echocollate at 9:52 AM on January 4, 2015


What To Do When You Discover Your Co-Worker Writes Erotic Hulk Fanfic.

Show them your erotic Rocket Raccoon and Kermit the Frog fanfic, OF COURSE.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 9:58 AM on January 4, 2015 [1 favorite]


The truth is, I probably shouldn’t have Internet stalked her. The also truth is I’m going to keep Internet stalking everyone all the time

And then publish badly written insulting articles about them? Christ, what an asshole.
posted by sfkiddo at 10:14 AM on January 4, 2015


I felt really gross after reading this, and not because of the hulk-fisting-loki part. I mean, I don't really care what you do when you stalk your coworkers and find something a little deviant, but what you DON'T DO is then post an article about what you found under your own real name at a web site with a reasonably large readership, full of identifying details and a thin cover of pseudonymity.

I'm now feeling kind of gross for posting it. I initially read it as a funny story about two people awkwardly but successfully bonding of kinky fanfic. I assumed that they had become friends and that Nancy wouldn't have a problem with the piece, but I now realize that that's not clear at all. If the author just outed her coworker without her consent, well, fuck that. I hope she posts a follow-up addressing this question.

(And on a more selfish note, this may have sucked the joy out of erotic Hulk fanfic for me. Dagnabit.)
posted by homunculus at 10:50 AM on January 4, 2015


And on a more selfish note, this may have sucked the joy out of erotic Hulk fanfic for me.

PHRASING!
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 10:59 AM on January 4, 2015 [2 favorites]


If you're still confused about "knotting" then you might benefit from reading some works in the genre.
posted by Jacqueline at 11:13 AM on January 4, 2015


I haven't read the link yet, but I'm going in making a bet with myself: I'm betting the answer isn't "Congratulate the co-worker on being courageous enough to write and share their own creative work (even if it isn't my thing) and maybe suggest that ensuring their professional online identity is separate from their creative identity is a good idea" because that wouldn't spawn enough of a word count to justify an article on the internet.

I'll be back to see if my hypothesis is confirmed or not.
posted by nubs at 11:18 AM on January 4, 2015


And I'm back. And I guess good on the person for not being all that judgy about something that wasn't their thing, but overall that was just weird and I'm not sure what to make of it, except maybe "if you discover your co-worker writes erotic Hulk slash fanfic, maybe there isn't a need to share that fact with the internet."
posted by nubs at 11:24 AM on January 4, 2015 [1 favorite]


If you're still confused about "knotting" then you might benefit from reading some works in the genre.

Or you might benefit from not doing this. Just as an idea.
posted by jeather at 12:00 PM on January 4, 2015 [3 favorites]


If knotting is something you are into that's awesome. But it can be somewhat off-putting if it's not your thing.
posted by jeather at 12:03 PM on January 4, 2015


Knotting isn't really my thing either but even I have to admit that some knotting stories are kinda hot.
posted by Jacqueline at 12:04 PM on January 4, 2015 [2 favorites]


[Folks, it's sort of tacky given the conversation here to take outing this coworker a step further than the author of the article did. Let's please leave that out. Thanks. ]
posted by restless_nomad (staff) at 12:13 PM on January 4, 2015 [4 favorites]


In fact is there a way to alert the owner of the stories about what has happened? I know nothing about AOS or whatnot but does it not have a message system so the poor lady can at least get a headsip and pull them if she wants to do so?
posted by winna at 12:16 PM on January 4, 2015


I wrote to the author of the article and asked her to please clarify whether she had her coworker's permission to write about her and if so if the coworker is cool with people linking to her stories. I'll let y'all know if she gets back to me.
posted by Jacqueline at 12:23 PM on January 4, 2015 [1 favorite]


In fact is there a way to alert the owner of the stories about what has happened?

I also wrote to the author of the stories that (I think) are referred to in the article via (what I think is) her Tumblr and asked about the concerns raised in this thread. I'll let y'all know if she gets back to me.

I'm hoping that it turns out that the coworker is cool with us linking her stories because I really don't want the hour or more that I've spent (so far!) carefully combing through Hulk/Loki smut to have gone to waste. I HAVE SUCH WONDERFUL, WONDERFUL THINGS TO SHOW YOU.
posted by Jacqueline at 12:35 PM on January 4, 2015 [1 favorite]


Does Thor join them?
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 12:40 PM on January 4, 2015


And if he does, how does Jane feel about that? Does she match Darcy watch and report back what's going on? 'Cause Darcy would be down for that.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 12:45 PM on January 4, 2015


Does Thor join them?

In SOME of the Hulk/Loki stories but I can't remember if he does in THOSE particular Hulk/Loki stories. I'm still skimming through several dozen stories by a few different authors looking for the good ones. (I consider myself a connoisseur of smutty fanfic after having read a few dozen million words of it, but this is still my first exposure to the Hulk/Loki pairing.)

FYI, Thor/Loki is actually a much more common pairing than Hulk/Loki. I guess no one got the memo that incest is more of a Greek mythology thing than a Norse mythology thing.

And if he does, how does Jane feel about that? Does she match Darcy watch and report back what's going on? 'Cause Darcy would be down for that.

All of the Avengers and their various hangers-on being in a big polyamorous humpfest is a meme in fanfic so I wouldn't be surprised if such a fic existed.
posted by Jacqueline at 12:49 PM on January 4, 2015


Is there more to Hulk erotic fanfic or is he only paired with Loki?
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 3:05 PM on January 4, 2015


Those wishing to learn more about Alpha/Beta/Omega dynamics in fanfiction would be encouraged to check out the Omegaverse panel at the next DashCon, were that not thankfully shot in the head and buried in the dark.
posted by kafziel at 4:07 PM on January 4, 2015


Is there more to Hulk erotic fanfic or is he only paired with Loki?

I have two words for you: Science Bros.
posted by headspace at 4:08 PM on January 4, 2015 [1 favorite]


Are there Science Hos?
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 4:26 PM on January 4, 2015


As per the author of the article (1, 2):
Hi! Yes, I absolutely asked 'Nancy' before pitching the article & had her approve the draft before I submitted it.

I wouldn't be comfortable posting that w/o being v. sure the person was okay w/ it (or changing way more details than I did)
posted by Jacqueline at 6:56 AM on January 6, 2015 [4 favorites]


Oh, excellent. Thanks, Jacqueline! I am now completely comfortable with this post (and with Hulk erotica.)
posted by homunculus at 9:50 AM on January 6, 2015


Consent is important.
posted by Deoridhe at 3:30 PM on January 6, 2015


About That Hulk/Loki Article
posted by homunculus at 1:07 PM on January 7, 2015 [1 favorite]


I'm still not comfortable with the Hulk/Loki pairing.

Seriously, Hulk lashes out too much for Loki, he needs a more controlled dom.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 1:13 PM on January 7, 2015


I think you're underestimating how adventurous Loki is, like when she had that fling with Svaðilfari.
posted by homunculus at 2:17 PM on January 7, 2015


I wonder what it says about us that dang near everybody immediately assumed that this was posted without the consent of the coworker, to the point that this wasn't even really questioned and the argument was about what this meant.
posted by kafziel at 2:35 PM on January 7, 2015 [2 favorites]


*I* didn't assume that, and sent a crabby email to the mods about how unfounded I thought that assumption and subsequent moderating decisions were. :P
posted by Jacqueline at 2:59 PM on January 7, 2015


*shrugs* Everything she did was pretty awful and she's lucky it turned out well. She's still the worst.
posted by naju at 4:32 PM on January 7, 2015


I wonder what it says about us that dang near everybody immediately assumed that this was posted without the consent of the coworker, to the point that this wasn't even really questioned and the argument was about what this meant.

It means that sometimes we, like Loki, need to unclench.
posted by homunculus at 6:20 PM on January 7, 2015 [1 favorite]


Okay, but what we're all missing here, in the midst of this Loki/Hulk talk, is that clearly Loki's soulmate is Tony Stark. Yes, it is, don't look at me like that.

COME WITH ME ON A JOURNEY, FRIENDS.
posted by pseudonymph at 10:56 PM on January 7, 2015 [1 favorite]


Pseudonymph, I love that fic. I'm not on the Ironfrost train too often, but when I am, I've read that fic five minutes previous. Might I also posit the concept that Steve Rogers is the friend Loki never knew he needed?
posted by Mizu at 11:07 PM on January 7, 2015 [2 favorites]


This is the Hulk/Loki story I wanted to share earlier. (It turns out the author isn't the person from the article anyway, but it's still one of the more... inventive... fanfics I've ever read.)
posted by Jacqueline at 11:24 AM on January 8, 2015


naju: "Everything she did was pretty awful and she's lucky it turned out well. She's still the worst."

Seriously? Given that we've established that she got consent in advance and even got a sign-off from "Nancy" that it was OK to publish, what did she do that was "awful"? Why is she "the worst"?

You accused her of stalking, despite apparently not understanding how these things work — if I tell you my LJ account or Tumblr name, knowing full well that I have it set up so it's linked to all my other stuff, your looking at my LJ/Tumblr and following the links from it does not count as stalking. She didn't "stalk" her co-worker, and she got her co-worker's approval before publishing anything about it. What the hell did she do that was so wrong?
posted by Lexica at 12:28 PM on January 8, 2015 [3 favorites]


1) The coworker's AO3 wasn't linked on the LJ or tumblr, right? She went and looked that up on her own initiative, using her coworker's same screenname. That's where all the secret-ish erotic fisting stuff was. From her own admission, "I was expecting purple porn, with a lot of adjectives and a lot of embarrassing euphemism." She was intentionally looking for her coworker's purple porn. That's not out of bounds for you? If one of my coworkers knows my twitter name and checks if I'm using it for a private kink site (or whatever), I'd consider that a violation of my privacy.

Again, by her own admission: " And I chose to look through Nancy’s work on AO3, a fan fic archive specifically loved for its lack of arbitrary censorship, because I was trying to find the dirty stuff. The dirty stuff is kind of my whole thing, actually." If stalking is a harsh word, at best this was really nosy in a way that sits entirely wrong with me.

2) She then brought up the AO3 stuff to her coworker, which I would personally be mortified by if it was my secret stuff. She's lucky her coworker handled it well, because other people would be like "uhhhh maybe I should leave this job now that all my coworkers are laughing at me behind my back". Granted I'm paranoid like that. But I've also had coworkers laugh at me behind my back, and it's always felt shitty and I wanted to hide forever, so. Really, she just should've kept her finds to herself.

3) I don't know how people are so cool with this line of thinking: "The truth is, I probably shouldn’t have Internet stalked her. The also truth is I’m going to keep Internet stalking everyone all the time, so I’d better just come to terms with knowing what all my co-workers and clients get off on." Because I'm not cool with that at all. Jesus.
posted by naju at 2:10 PM on January 8, 2015 [3 favorites]


Another piece by the author: On The Fetishisation Of Gay Men By Women In The Slash Community
posted by homunculus at 2:22 PM on January 18, 2015


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