School lifts dress code ban on Satanic clothing.
February 10, 2002 2:47 PM Subscribe
School lifts dress code ban on Satanic clothing. "If people are allowed to wear bracelets that say: 'What Would Jesus Do,' they should be allowed to say: 'What would Satan do,'" 10th grader Ashley Williams said. She's got a point. Satanism as defined by the Church of Satan seems to have more in common with modern ideologies (darwinism, existentialism) than the established religions or neo-whatever movements.
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Except that most "Satanic" clothing is not, shall we say, actual licensed products of the Church of Satan™. Most of the students are not wearing it because they belong to an established religion based on worship of Satan -- they're disaffected goths trying to get the goats of parents and other authority figures. They might figure this out by the time they're 25 or so.
And the Church of Satan, like these teens, really has much more to do with a warped sort of counter-Christianity than Wicca ... although that itself has a rather suspect link to tradition.
posted by dhartung at 3:16 PM on February 10, 2002
And the Church of Satan, like these teens, really has much more to do with a warped sort of counter-Christianity than Wicca ... although that itself has a rather suspect link to tradition.
posted by dhartung at 3:16 PM on February 10, 2002
Heh. Wicca, the worlds newest ancient religion.
The ruling seems fair to me. If a school wants to ban "Satanic" clothing, it should be allowed to, but only if it is privately run and funded.
posted by insomnyuk at 3:30 PM on February 10, 2002
The ruling seems fair to me. If a school wants to ban "Satanic" clothing, it should be allowed to, but only if it is privately run and funded.
posted by insomnyuk at 3:30 PM on February 10, 2002
shoosh -- reading anything by lavey was like reading a disaffected teenager's journal. my particular favorite remains the final of the "11 satanic rules." as it were:
"when walking in open territory, bother no one. if someone bothers you, ask him to stop. if he does not stop, destroy him. "
if i didn't know any better, i'd think that came from the trenchcoat mafia's handbook for getting the best of a high school bully.
posted by aenemated at 4:22 PM on February 10, 2002
"when walking in open territory, bother no one. if someone bothers you, ask him to stop. if he does not stop, destroy him. "
if i didn't know any better, i'd think that came from the trenchcoat mafia's handbook for getting the best of a high school bully.
posted by aenemated at 4:22 PM on February 10, 2002
This is blatant anti-Satanic hatred. I mean, just because people worship the devil dosent mean they're evil or something!
Ummmm.....oh, never mind.
posted by jonmc at 4:36 PM on February 10, 2002
Ummmm.....oh, never mind.
posted by jonmc at 4:36 PM on February 10, 2002
aenemated: just wondering here, but have you read the whole Satanic Bible? Aside from the bitter personal commentary, it does make a lot of relevant points. If you look past the negative connotation that the word / name "Satan" brings with it, the Church of Satan makes a lot of sense.
Plus, they are one of the few—if not only—religious institutions that forfeits it's tax exempt status. For that at least, they get my praise.
posted by Dark Messiah at 4:37 PM on February 10, 2002
Plus, they are one of the few—if not only—religious institutions that forfeits it's tax exempt status. For that at least, they get my praise.
posted by Dark Messiah at 4:37 PM on February 10, 2002
"We go to school to learn, not to, like, it's not like a fashion show," senior Alice Kim said."
Will Smith said it first. And in better meter, too.
posted by mr_crash_davis at 4:48 PM on February 10, 2002
Will Smith said it first. And in better meter, too.
posted by mr_crash_davis at 4:48 PM on February 10, 2002
Yet another sign of oddly clueless adults, every generation of which seems to forget that the best way to attract a teenager's attention to anything is to absolutely forbid it.
posted by MidasMulligan at 6:46 PM on February 10, 2002
posted by MidasMulligan at 6:46 PM on February 10, 2002
The goth girls were by far the best scenery at my high school. I'd hate to think that boys today might be deprived of a similar environment.
And that quote is ridiculous. Most people don't speak in smoothly flowing sentences, but reporters either write a new version and read it back to the interviewee for approval, use elipses, or chunks of the sentence, or just write it while leaving out the "um"s etc. Leaving them in will make just about anybody sound stupid.
posted by bingo at 7:16 PM on February 10, 2002
And that quote is ridiculous. Most people don't speak in smoothly flowing sentences, but reporters either write a new version and read it back to the interviewee for approval, use elipses, or chunks of the sentence, or just write it while leaving out the "um"s etc. Leaving them in will make just about anybody sound stupid.
posted by bingo at 7:16 PM on February 10, 2002
I couldn't agree more, bingo. Journalists often seem to get a kick out of including the "like"s when teenagers are quoted. It's stupid and disrespectful.
posted by cx at 7:56 PM on February 10, 2002
posted by cx at 7:56 PM on February 10, 2002
There are actually at least three organizations that trace back to LaVey's. In high school as a youthful atheist I enjoyed poking fun at satanists for buying into christian mythology, not to mention the whole belief in the supernatural thing. I was naive, for satanists don't literally believe in the existence of Satan like christians believe in Jesus (or Satan for that matter). Satanism is as much a philosophy as a religion, similar to Buddhism in that sense. N.B. I like aspects of satanist philosophy (buddhist philosophy as well), but the only *ist labels I claim offhand start with athe- and fallibil-. Mostly unrelated: In praise of the devil (best rant ever IMO).
posted by mlinksva at 8:51 PM on February 10, 2002
posted by mlinksva at 8:51 PM on February 10, 2002
4. Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it instead of love wasted on ingrates!
"You have heard that it was said, `Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you..."
Jesus Christ
posted by aaronshaf at 12:03 AM on February 11, 2002
"You have heard that it was said, `Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you..."
Jesus Christ
posted by aaronshaf at 12:03 AM on February 11, 2002
9. Satan has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as He has kept it in business all these years!
You can't argue with that!
posted by sans at 1:06 AM on February 11, 2002
You can't argue with that!
posted by sans at 1:06 AM on February 11, 2002
You can, if you think that the church has kept itself in business all these years, using Satan as a prop.
posted by bingo at 3:21 AM on February 11, 2002
posted by bingo at 3:21 AM on February 11, 2002
I wonder if the late great Anton still holds his same opinions now...I kinda doubt it.
posted by bunnyfire at 4:03 AM on February 11, 2002
posted by bunnyfire at 4:03 AM on February 11, 2002
> School lifts dress...
!!!
> ...code ban on Satanic clothing.
Damn.
> > Uniforms would nip the problem right in the bud.
> Mmmmmmmmm...
> would they ever
If you're thinking what I'm thinking, you'd better hope Ashcroft isn't running Carnivore 2 with the new synapse-tap protocol.
> I wonder if the late great Anton still holds his same
> opinions now
If he's dead, he holds the same opinions a hamburger holds. These debates are about nothing. (Though the church using bogles to manipulate the ignorant is not funny.)
posted by pracowity at 6:09 AM on February 11, 2002
!!!
> ...code ban on Satanic clothing.
Damn.
> > Uniforms would nip the problem right in the bud.
> Mmmmmmmmm...
> would they ever
If you're thinking what I'm thinking, you'd better hope Ashcroft isn't running Carnivore 2 with the new synapse-tap protocol.
> I wonder if the late great Anton still holds his same
> opinions now
If he's dead, he holds the same opinions a hamburger holds. These debates are about nothing. (Though the church using bogles to manipulate the ignorant is not funny.)
posted by pracowity at 6:09 AM on February 11, 2002
Regardless of the legitimacy of Satanism (LaVey's type or otherwise), most high schoolers dress has more to do with their friends/crowd than anything else.
Most of the people wearing Christian-themed products that I remember did so largely to indicate their group identity... and those of us who enjoyed wearing Satanic/anti-Christian products did so largely because of the pre-existing conflicts/rivalries between the groups. [and in the Bible Belt, that can get really ugly... 'love thy neighbor' is more often preached than practiced by cliquey high-school types]
High school kids, by and large, are not great religious scholars.
[and yeah... LaVey's current belief in Satanism is functionally equivalent to my keyboard's belief in Satanism]
posted by wildcrdj at 7:50 PM on February 11, 2002
Most of the people wearing Christian-themed products that I remember did so largely to indicate their group identity... and those of us who enjoyed wearing Satanic/anti-Christian products did so largely because of the pre-existing conflicts/rivalries between the groups. [and in the Bible Belt, that can get really ugly... 'love thy neighbor' is more often preached than practiced by cliquey high-school types]
High school kids, by and large, are not great religious scholars.
[and yeah... LaVey's current belief in Satanism is functionally equivalent to my keyboard's belief in Satanism]
posted by wildcrdj at 7:50 PM on February 11, 2002
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"We go to school to learn, not to, like, it's not like a fashion show," senior Alice Kim said.
Them's certainly been doin' some quality learnin'.
posted by tomorama at 2:51 PM on February 10, 2002