Number 3: Just an Asshole - 19 Types of Beer Snobs
February 6, 2015 5:58 PM   Subscribe

19 Types of Beer Snobs - by Matt Lynch, Thrillist

Bonus links
Ultra-Drinkable Beers Are Having a Moment - by Graham Averill, Outside
Four of the Best Bond Drinking Scenes (again, Thrillist)

Previously and quite recently: "Let them sip their pumpkin peach ale."
posted by joseph conrad is fully awesome (86 comments total) 12 users marked this as a favorite
 
I'm snarking at this post over an appropriately-shaped glass of Bartlefinger's Hop Guillotine Session Stout.
posted by uosuaq at 6:08 PM on February 6, 2015 [1 favorite]


"Wait a second... these ain't bears.."
Time for bed!
posted by bigendian at 6:11 PM on February 6, 2015 [2 favorites]


I thought the gender inclusive language was pretty interesting here, because it highlighted how extraordinarily rare it is to find a woman who is a judgmental beer, wine, coffee, music, or movie snob.
posted by skewed at 6:14 PM on February 6, 2015 [11 favorites]


I like my beer snobbery with a touch of the ultra violence (some nsfw language).
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 6:16 PM on February 6, 2015 [1 favorite]


Hopping Frog Cafe Boris Oatmeal Imperial Stout with Coffee in hand right now.

I'm more of a concern troll myself. I feel sorry for people who don't enjoy good beer and good food and the adventure of finding them.
posted by srboisvert at 6:19 PM on February 6, 2015 [6 favorites]


Are you a beer snob? - Clickhole
posted by hellojed at 6:20 PM on February 6, 2015 [5 favorites]


I'mn pretty sure the other 18 are just The Asshole in disguise.
posted by kewb at 6:22 PM on February 6, 2015 [10 favorites]


Tonight I fought back the urge to offer an alternative the fella next to me at the bar who ordered a Stella, that he might enjoy the tap just to the right, that was also a decent pilsner but brewed literally two blocks away.

So I guess they missed one, the "Local Beer Booster".
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 6:23 PM on February 6, 2015 [19 favorites]


I feel like "can you not enjoy a macrobrew beer?" is a good litmus test for beer snobbery.
posted by Ferreous at 6:23 PM on February 6, 2015 [6 favorites]


> how extraordinarily rare it is to find a woman who is a judgmental beer, wine, coffee, music, or movie snob.

Hi nicetameetchya.
posted by rtha at 6:25 PM on February 6, 2015 [43 favorites]


Hrmm, my brother seems to be a mixture of Prince Sour and Trader although technically I think he eventually drinks most of what he buys. Technically it's a part of his job but secretly I think he just likes being an expert on beer.
posted by vuron at 6:26 PM on February 6, 2015 [1 favorite]


Though, okay, to be fair, I'm not judgemental in the "I think less of you for liking [beer]." But I am wicked opinionated. And I think I surprised the bartender the other night when I asked questions about some of the beers on tap - I was out of town and they were local brews that I didn't know anything about. Yes, I am a woman, yes, I like beer, yes, I know something about beer, this cannot be that weird come on.
posted by rtha at 6:28 PM on February 6, 2015 [11 favorites]


Tonight I fought back the urge to offer an alternative the fella next to me at the bar who ordered a Stella, that he might enjoy the tap just to the right, that was also a decent pilsner but brewed literally two blocks away.

So I guess they missed one, the "Local Beer Booster".
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 11:23 PM on February 6 [+] [!]


I don't know, I don't drink beer but I think I'd actually appreciate information like this, depending on how it was delivered.
posted by FirstMateKate at 6:31 PM on February 6, 2015 [5 favorites]


how extraordinarily rare it is to find a woman who is a judgmental beer, wine, coffee, music, or movie snob.

We must know different women.
posted by Dip Flash at 6:32 PM on February 6, 2015 [29 favorites]


The Brewery Fanboy
He wears a Three Floyds hoodie when he buys his Heady Topper, wears a Heady Topper ballcap when he drinks his Pliny, and wears a Pliny T-shirt when he goes to Dark Lord Day. He owns a matching Arrogant Bastard biking jersey and socks, but not a bike.


I saw some guys in Fulton Brewery Cross Country ski tops at the City of Lakes Loppet last weekend and was very jealous so maybe I'm a wannabe version of this one? I tend to like dark and/or malty stuff or crisp pilsners do I just don't feel like I fit with the current beer snob trends.
posted by Area Man at 6:36 PM on February 6, 2015 [1 favorite]


I’ll slurp down whatever frothy soup comes trickling down my sip-hole.
posted by Cookiebastard at 6:37 PM on February 6, 2015 [10 favorites]


I don't see why it's at all surprising to see a woman that likes and is knowledgeable about beer, in the same way that I find it odd when people are surprised that I'm a man who can't stand the stuff.
posted by dg at 6:37 PM on February 6, 2015 [3 favorites]


Have we done the 19 types of metasnob yet?
posted by nfalkner at 6:39 PM on February 6, 2015 [6 favorites]


At the risk of over generalization I think that most female snobs tend to not be as exclusionary in their snobbery. Oh they might look down on your macrobrew but they aren't going to be as openly full of contempt as the male snob who sees your order of said beverage as an affront to nature, god, etc.

I think that's generally because women tend to get excluded a lot by their fellow male obsessives whether it's beer, music, sci-fi, movies, etc so they tend to be more welcoming to others.

There is also less macho dick waving in the form of trying to choke down the infinite hoppiness of the next megahops IPA or the Barleywine with some sort of ridiculous APV % or the stout that a fork can stand up in. etc.

posted by vuron at 6:40 PM on February 6, 2015 [6 favorites]


I go to an occasional jam session where there's a guy who's a combination of The Condescender/The One-Upper. The thing is, I think I know more about beer than he does. I just don't roll my eyes when someone orders a Coors Light because hey - you like what you like. That beer isn't going in my face - why should I care?

But this Condescender/One-Upper guy is also a horrible mooch, and if the jam is at someone's house instead of a bar, he always tries to bum beers from me.

He has an M.O. - he goes to the fridge and takes out whatever it is he wants, holds it up and says "Oh, hey, who brought the [beer in question]?"

So I started bringing cheap and cheerful stuff whenever I have to BYOB, just so he can't sponge beers from me anymore. First he'll deride what I brought when I crack open the first one. Then, later, his brute cheapness will override his snobbery. He'll do the fridge thing and I'll tell him "Funny thing. Two hours ago you made fun of me for drinking this. You expressed a strong dislike for it. So no, you can't have one."

The thing is, he's so un-self aware he doesn't seem that offended.

I wish he at least had a streak of the Evangelist in him, because then I'd get some of the many, many beers he taken from me over the years paid back.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 6:41 PM on February 6, 2015 [8 favorites]


Beer snob on someone else's dime seems like it puts him into at least partial asshole status.
posted by vuron at 6:46 PM on February 6, 2015 [3 favorites]


Oh, there's nothing partial about it.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 6:48 PM on February 6, 2015 [15 favorites]


Yeah, I think it's just a stereotype to assume that women aren't so into beer. My SO brews her own, tries the fanciest local beers with... I don't know, hops and stuff? I don't even drink beer anymore, and when I did it was more or less only Miller (or Yuengling if I was feeling fancy).

Although, I guess I have to ask if a nice beer enthusiast is still a snob, or if you have to be a, you know, snob about it to be called a beer snob.
posted by teponaztli at 6:50 PM on February 6, 2015 [1 favorite]


I drink a lot of beer. My friends drink a lot of beer. The ONLY one of these 19 types I have ever encountered is the one that sneers at light beer. I count myself among them. You wanna drink one that's fine, I'm not the boss of you. They just don't taste as good. Same reason I dont care for diet sodas and low-fat cheese. You worried about calories, just drink less.

I am an incurable snob.
posted by Hoopo at 6:51 PM on February 6, 2015 [3 favorites]


Light beers are okay when it's hot out and you're doing yardwork. I'm not a huge fan, but even I enjoy them in that scenario.
posted by Ferreous at 6:54 PM on February 6, 2015 [3 favorites]


Even then though, a good old fashioned pilsner is pretty refreshing on a hot day too. Don't get me wrong, I'm not gonna say no to one of its the only option on a hot day. But I will be wondering "how come we bought light?" to myself
posted by Hoopo at 6:56 PM on February 6, 2015 [1 favorite]


Is this where I get to have a chuckle about the weird gender tone of this article, then remark about me going back to school to get a library science degree as well as pursuing the rare female cicerone status?

(sips a Big Wheel Deluxe from Amsterdam Brewery b/c that is my version of a mild Friday night beer)
posted by Kitteh at 7:05 PM on February 6, 2015 [3 favorites]


I guess I am closest to the Evangelist here, although I can wander into a little Ahab (I lost track of a peppery beer once, that I tried at an otherwise great pizza place-- but a week later they couldn't tell me what the beer was! I kept asking for peppery sessions for a year or two, until I found Tank 7, which may or may not be it, but is awesome regardless. )

As for gender balance, great. I get a little sick of restaurants assuming Mr. Nat ordered the beer and I ordered the drink with the umbrella. Mr. Nat, who kindly puts up with my exhortations to "try this one! You like chocolate stouts!" But still often says "sure, it's ok, it tastes like beer!"

Also it'd be great if bartenders would make less of an assumption that I will want a sweet-ish beer .. When I travel I don't know the local offerings, and I don't always want to have to prove my mettle beer wise (esp when I am not that extreme about it) in order to avoid getting steered towards sweet crap.
posted by nat at 7:14 PM on February 6, 2015 [6 favorites]


Light beers are okay when it's hot out and you're doing yardwork. I'm not a huge fan, but even I enjoy them in that scenario.

This is why I live in an apartment building.
posted by srboisvert at 7:19 PM on February 6, 2015 [16 favorites]


A woman with whom I am rather enamored has an unshakeable fondness for Budweiser beer, the Canadian-made knockoff to be precise. I myself prefer local brews, hearty stouts, ales, crisp pilsners and even ridiculously hoppy IPAs depending on the season and my mood. My dear friend has been assured that along with other available options there will always be an ample supply of Bud in my fridge, no questions asked and no attitude given.
posted by islander at 7:21 PM on February 6, 2015 [1 favorite]


I came up in a time when NZ had three beers and dedicated my 1990's youth to a micro brewery that supported the local music scene. It was sadly destroyed in the Christchurch earthquake of 2011. Nearly four years ago.

Now I drink whatever, life's too short...

I miss the Dux de Lux.
posted by Samuel Farrow at 7:27 PM on February 6, 2015 [2 favorites]


For some historical perspective: Modern Drunkard: The Subtle Art of Beer Snobbery
posted by 7segment at 7:47 PM on February 6, 2015 [3 favorites]


*burps*
posted by jonmc at 7:49 PM on February 6, 2015 [1 favorite]


#3, #6, and #10 only very occasionally.
posted by EatTheWeak at 7:53 PM on February 6, 2015 [1 favorite]


Reinheitsgebot Elitists trump all those bitches.
posted by Invisible Green Time-Lapse Peloton at 7:56 PM on February 6, 2015 [4 favorites]


#20 The Traditionalist: If Budweiser was good enough for my dad it's good enough for me.
#21 The Cheapskate: Why pay $8 a sixpack when you can get 24 Old Milwaukee for $14?

#22 The smug judgmental prick: How dare those other fuckers care enough about beer to know anything about it? They're just posers. Not like me.
posted by edgeways at 8:18 PM on February 6, 2015 [2 favorites]


I am drinking beer with yellow flowers
in underground sunlight
and you can see that I am a sensitive man.
- At the Quinte Hotel by Al Purdy (poetry reading)
posted by dougzilla at 8:23 PM on February 6, 2015


Hey, the fridge is empty!
posted by arcticseal at 8:40 PM on February 6, 2015


Im #21. Price/ABV is how I roll.
posted by Literaryhero at 8:47 PM on February 6, 2015 [4 favorites]


I used to buy these fortified beers when I lived in Malaysia. They came in 500ml cans and didn't have a name as far as I know, just a picture of an animal. There were different kinds, zebras, penguins, bears, but as far as I know they were all the same. Under the animal picture there was "12%" written in a large font. The first one always tasted terrible, but the second was the nectar of the gods. I never managed to have a third.
posted by Literaryhero at 8:51 PM on February 6, 2015 [9 favorites]


Am I going to have to comment on two craft beer threads in one week!?

*scans links, sips All-Day IPA*

Nope. No, I will not.

As you were.
posted by 1f2frfbf at 8:59 PM on February 6, 2015 [1 favorite]


So how do you pronounce "Cantillon"?

Just kidding, it's a trick question! Nobody gives a shit!
posted by turbid dahlia at 9:03 PM on February 6, 2015 [8 favorites]


Aww - hit a bit close to home did they edgeways? :P
posted by obiwanwasabi at 9:19 PM on February 6, 2015 [2 favorites]


I like beer.
posted by mazola at 9:32 PM on February 6, 2015 [3 favorites]


Do you know how much low ABV beers please me ?

Seriously. I like to have a beer or two with dinner and maybe another one or two while hanging out before bed, but good god, some of those 8.9 monsters have me ripped before I finish my mashed potatoes.

And I'm not a beer snob. All beers have a time and place* and can enjoy them all and love picking and choosing and love what other people think and come up with. I'm like the anti-snob.

Anyway, high ABV beers are wonderful when you're camping at 12,000 feet and want to get buzzed (read warm) fast. Grab one for sipping around a campfire on a chilly night and you go to bed well buzzed so you don't feel the lumps and bumps in the ground and you don't have to climb out of your nice warm bag to go pee in the cold and dark night, where a bear will eat you.

But, really - I'm well past the age where I want to get blasted into oblivion and have drunken 3 hour arguments about who was the best superman (Reeves, totally). I just want to have something non-caffeinated, and not water, with dinner.

I love going to the store and having to actually weigh my purchase. It's like living in the future.

* (although Bud tastes like vomit to me. Also, Tequila. Lots of long long nights from both in my misspent youth)
posted by Pogo_Fuzzybutt at 9:34 PM on February 6, 2015 [4 favorites]


Sour Prince here. Mock Cantillon at your peril.

it's "Can-Tee-Own", with a slight sneer & nostril flare
posted by rodeoclown at 9:36 PM on February 6, 2015 [1 favorite]


it's "Can-Tee-Own", with a slight sneer & nostril flare

Not unless you're deliberately trying to make French speakers wince at your pronunciation, it isn't!

"an" and "on" are nasal vowels in French, the "N" is an elided nasal sound that isn't pronounced like an English "n"; say "kah-tee-yo" through your nose and you've pretty much got it.
posted by Pseudonymous Cognomen at 9:56 PM on February 6, 2015 [1 favorite]


Of course, but I was trying to spell it in less than a paragraph

*boom* (headfake)


posted by rodeoclown at 10:02 PM on February 6, 2015 [2 favorites]


Whoa, way too close to home here. I'm a female. I have a tattoo of hops. I'm on a solo beer-tasting vacation. And I just got back from a tasting event with 30 different triple ipas.

But I also went through a 6 pack of Olympia last week, and one of my very favorite things about beer is that every single person has a different palate. There's more than enough beer out there for everyone and I won't judge yours if you won't judge mine.
posted by evilbeck at 10:51 PM on February 6, 2015 [3 favorites]


Where's the "likes craft beer, is perfectly happy drinking pretty much any macro too, but hates hops and is really tired of the biggest trend in craft" snob? Asking for a friend.

(HOPS ARE GROSS COME AT ME)
posted by protocoach at 10:51 PM on February 6, 2015 [17 favorites]


Tonight I fought back the urge to offer an alternative the fella next to me at the bar who ordered a Stella, that he might enjoy the tap just to the right, that was also a decent pilsner but brewed literally two blocks away.

Hmmm... I used to live literally two blocks away from where Stella was brewed.

And still wouldn't recommend it to anyone. (in fairness, it's pretty ridiculous for a non-Belgian giving Belgians advice on what they should be drinking). Can't say I ever saw anyone drinking it in Leuven, actually.

"Stella - the Budweiser of Belgium"
posted by el io at 10:58 PM on February 6, 2015


Where's the "likes craft beer, is perfectly happy drinking pretty much any macro too, but hates hops and is really tired of the biggest trend in craft" snob?

In the last few years: PREDICTABLY AND RELIABLY IN EVERY SINGLE BEER THREAD ON METAFILTER. You're welcome.

In any case, it seems to me a great time to be not so much into IPAs: there's such a wide range of experimentation with brewing different, and old, and new styles that it's pretty easy to find decent-to-exceptional lightly-hopped beers.

(HOPS ARE GROSS COME AT ME)

(SNORTS HOPPY FUMES FROM TONIGHT'S TWO BEERS)
posted by We had a deal, Kyle at 11:03 PM on February 6, 2015 [6 favorites]



I feel like "can you not enjoy a macrobrew beer?" is a good litmus test for beer snobbery.

I can enjoy macrobrewed swill like I can enjoy a quick slice of cheap pizza. I don't hate either. I know there are far better tasting options.

But I'm also concerned about things like corporate ownership and, probably more important, dodgy ingredients. Are there preservatives etc in it? Other toxic crap? That certainly used to be the case with the macrobrews up here in Canada. I say "used to" because I haven't looked into it recently.

So yeah, call me a snob if you must because I do generally avoid macrobrews. But if you want to actually have a respectful discussion, maybe you shouldn't leap to such a blinkered assumption.
posted by philip-random at 11:31 PM on February 6, 2015


I only drink the Kool-Aid, myself.
posted by Joseph Gurl at 3:05 AM on February 7, 2015 [2 favorites]


It's interesting to me how oddly the gender inclusive language comes across to me. It feels like there's some sort of hidden gender bias or misogyny driving the selection (too much talking/defined by parenthood/fake beer geek girl) but I am unsure to what extent that perception is caused by my own unrecognised misogyny or (possibly overly charitably to myself) my recognition of societal misogyny.

I'm hesitant to draw conclusions about the specific article, but my reaction does highlight to me just how problematic and troubling the default to male pronouns is in general. It seems to me that the only answer is a much more widespread and proactive use of gender inclusive language. Had the gender balance in this piece been roughly 1:1, I don't think my reaction would have been the same. I recognise that there are reasons why writers might be reluctant to go that far, but I reckon that dismantling a system of oppression has required and will require far greater sacrifices than that.

Anyway that's just what occurred to me.
posted by howfar at 3:30 AM on February 7, 2015 [1 favorite]


(HOPS ARE GROSS COME AT ME)

At my wife's request, I once tried to brew beer with very few hops. The resulting beverage (after tasting it, I couldn't call it beer) was horrible. Not enough hops is much, much worse than too many.
posted by Area Man at 4:14 AM on February 7, 2015 [1 favorite]


in fairness, it's pretty ridiculous for a non-Belgian giving Belgians advice on what they should be drinking

I don't think I've ever run into a beer-drinking European who liked their own major beer brands, at least not on the continent. You can troll Dutch people hard by pretending to order a Heineken ("it's for exporting, not drinking, you idiot"), the Swiss just don't understand why anyone would drink Feldschlösschen since it's not being exported afaik, best-selling Pripps Blue is considered a joke in Sweden (both for the beer and their advertising), and I'm not sure Polish people even know their local brews, they just drink Czech stuff. And so on.

(as for women and beer, I'm pretty sure I know The Barrel-Aged Devotee, fwiw. And yeah, she's pretty judgmental. I didn't know she had a kid, though.)
posted by effbot at 5:37 AM on February 7, 2015


Or me at #20:

The try this one snob.

Always getting any new beer if they haven't tried it before and if it is good suggesting you have a sip. Will then go on to the next beer they haven't seen before and offer more sips to everyone else. All in all not all that snobbish because they usually like everything halfway decent.
posted by koolkat at 5:38 AM on February 7, 2015 [2 favorites]


I'm the anti-beer snob in my house. my wife likes to talk about drinkability and hop content. i bought some Little Kings last week and enjoyed them.
posted by damnitkage at 5:45 AM on February 7, 2015


I once tried to brew beer with very few hops.

There's a local brewer who's been tried something similar in the past few years, with , with bog myrtle instead, and so on. Invariably, reactions to the beer were a sip, then an "interesting", then moving on to something else after. All their beers now are hopped, even the ones with weird bitters in them.
posted by bonehead at 6:08 AM on February 7, 2015


Last night I brought home Czechvar (aka "real Budweiser"), Ballast Point Sculpin IPA (now available in Colorado, #1 state gets another good thing yay), Session lager (man that brewery has a real identity issue) and some porter bombers and even a Barleywine. I don't look down on people who like shit beer. I just don't hang around them because they usually have shitty opinions about everything. Oh no I didn't.
posted by aydeejones at 6:11 AM on February 7, 2015 [2 favorites]


Reading this thread while drinking a Sankt Gallen Chocolate Porter...

Seriously, any Mefite beer nerd who makes it to Japan (specifically Tokyo), let me know, and I'll draw up an itinerary for Tokyo craft beer bars. If I'm free, I'll do my best to join you for at least one night. While I'm tortured by hearing about all the fantastic beer in the States that I just. can't. get. here, the craft brewing scene in Japan has exploded, and there's good beer pretty much everywhere.

Minoh Beer 4 Life
posted by Ghidorah at 6:25 AM on February 7, 2015 [4 favorites]


I somehow feel impeached by every single one of these caricatures.
posted by dis_integration at 6:30 AM on February 7, 2015 [1 favorite]


Session lager (man that brewery has a real identity issue)

I agree, but they make good beers and they serve tasty hamburgers, so it's always smart to time your drives through the gorge to hit Hood River at mealtime. (There are smaller and arguably better breweries in Hood River, but going around drinking beer isn't very compatible with a quick stop on a long drive, so Full Sail it is.)
posted by Dip Flash at 8:03 AM on February 7, 2015


Life is too short to drink lousy beer.
Life is too short to drink one type of beer.

Life is too short to get shorted on your beer.

I'm the one not on the list who gets really irritated when the bartender does a short pour. The top 3/4 inch or so of a standard pint glass holds four ounces. If you fill that area with foam, you're shorting me 1/4 of my beer. DIE IN A FIRE.

Yes, I brew my own too.
Right now, one keg has a nice dry porter and the other has a wee heavy that Mrs. Plinth and I have nicknamed "Hangover Helper" because of it's combination of high alcohol content and residual sugar. Spring is coming, so I'll likely replace whichever runs out first with a bitter or a pale ale.
posted by plinth at 8:46 AM on February 7, 2015 [1 favorite]


I have been brewing a heather ale with zero hops, and it is amazing. People who aren't beer drinkers ask for seconds or thirds.
posted by xedrik at 8:54 AM on February 7, 2015 [1 favorite]


Hey now, I only wear my Cantillon shirt to Dark Lord Day because it's bright orange and my friends can find me easily.

Yes I got it at the brewery in Brussels, thanks for asking.
posted by kyleg at 9:38 AM on February 7, 2015


One of the nice things about living in Rochester is that we have some truly exceptional beer bars here, but any Roc beer snob would punch you in the face if you turned down a Genny Cream grenade.
posted by oflinkey at 9:43 AM on February 7, 2015 [3 favorites]


The hop hatred is indeed getting old. Every brewpub I've been in usually has one IPA and a host of other brews. It's not like someone's holding a gun to your head making you drink the stuff. Sheesh.

Full disclosure: drank two Summit Harvest Fresh IPAs last night

Fuller disclosure: they were wonderful
posted by Ber at 9:52 AM on February 7, 2015 [3 favorites]


Agreeing. I feel like the wave of "ULTRAHOP FUCKER BITTERMOUTH EXTREME 40K IBU" beers has broken in the past year or two. I liked some, but there were certainly ones that were tasted like crushed up medicine.
posted by Ferreous at 9:59 AM on February 7, 2015


Aww - hit a bit close to home did they edgeways? :P

Perhaps perhaps. Mainly I'm tired of people bitching about what other people drink/think about beer in this weird reverse-hipster hipster pose that is being taken. It seems an odd recursive battle to out-cool one another.
I actually don't care what beer any random person enjoys, as long as they are somewhat conscious about why they enjoy it, it's all good.

cheers
posted by edgeways at 10:26 AM on February 7, 2015 [1 favorite]


I actually don't care what beer any random person enjoys, as long as they are somewhat conscious about why they enjoy it, it's all good.

So Attentionist!

It's not like someone's holding a gun to your head making you drink the stuff.

Not a gun but there are places where you cannot get a flight without it and sometimes I enjoy flights but then there is always that one beer that ruins it.
posted by srboisvert at 10:40 AM on February 7, 2015


Or me at #20:

The try this one snob.

Always getting any new beer if they haven't tried it before and if it is good suggesting you have a sip. Will then go on to the next beer they haven't seen before and offer more sips to everyone else. All in all not all that snobbish because they usually like everything halfway decent.


That's definitely not a beer snob. That's a beer friend.
posted by srboisvert at 10:43 AM on February 7, 2015 [3 favorites]


Not a gun but there are places where you cannot get a flight without it and sometimes I enjoy flights but then there is always that one beer that ruins it.

Then don't drink that one? There are plenty of beers I don't like -- sweet stouts are not my thing, for example, nor are most double and triple IPAs -- but it's still fun to taste new beers and easy to skip over any that are just plain awful. Those seasonal flavored beers are, to my tastes, just plain disgusting, but no one is forcing me to have more than a sip (and even that is optional).

Everywhere I go these days has no problem pouring free tasters, which is a great way for "I like Beer X, what else do you have that I might like to try?" or "what is new since I was last in?" without committing to a full pint of something that might be awful. Other than at a brewery I've never ordered a flight though I've seen them on a few menus -- is it a case in some areas that they offer flights but don't do tasters? If that is the case I can understand being irritated at having to pay for something you already know you won't like.
posted by Dip Flash at 11:08 AM on February 7, 2015


Have tried asking the bartender/server "Hey I absolutely hate beer type X, can you give me two of beer type Y?"
posted by Ferreous at 11:13 AM on February 7, 2015


Metafilter seems like a gal I could have a beer with.
posted by echocollate at 1:21 PM on February 7, 2015


I think we're around 24: Untappd snob. Drinks things she doesn't actually like that much just to get badges, photographs most if not all of them, compulsively tries new things and, when traveling, seeks out stuff that isn't available at home at least partially to boost that distinct-beers number.
posted by box at 1:29 PM on February 7, 2015


(I'm boxy on there--be my friend?)
posted by box at 1:30 PM on February 7, 2015 [1 favorite]


Metafilter seems like a gal I could have a beer with.

You'd think but then the Chicago cabal goes and chooses the Billy Goat Tavern, where you get your choice of beer - Brown or not Brown, as their meeting venue.
posted by srboisvert at 2:41 PM on February 7, 2015


be my friend?

Sure. WeHadADealKyle on Untappd; link from my profile.

Untappd does have an odd edge of gamified drinking: the badges carefully structured so you can usually get one every five checkins or so.
posted by We had a deal, Kyle at 3:52 PM on February 7, 2015


oflinkey: I live stumbling distance from Tap and Mallet. I'm not saying I chose where to live based on something like proximity to good beer, but I totally did.
posted by Hildegarde at 5:29 PM on February 7, 2015


I suppose I'm probably the IBU Freak or the One-Upper, but not really either. On preview, like most of us, I'm a koolkat...

I thought the gender inclusive language was pretty interesting here, because it highlighted how extraordinarily rare it is to find a woman who is a judgmental beer, wine, coffee, music, or movie snob.

Nah, I know plenty of female art/movie/book snobs. I thought it was more interesting to see which of the snob types are thought to be typically male or female.

Generally, if you're trying to be gender inclusive, you'd use "he" and "she" (and "his" and "her," etc.) alternately. But this writer gave 13 of the snobs male genders, 3 of the snobs female genders, and 3 of the snobs neutral or unspecified.

Male:
Self-Important Homebrewer
Mr. Groupthink
Just an Asshole
Master Debater
Captain Ahab
Trader
Sampler
Sour Prince
IBU Freak
Release Party Guy
Glassware Obsessive
Brewery Fanboy
One-Upper

Female:
Professor
Barrel-Aged Devotee
Complete 180

Neutral:
Condescender
Evangelist
Fresh-Head

It's not exceedingly stereotypical or heteronormative, but it is still interesting (I suppose). I am glad they included a token woman, but like howfar, I am curious why not a 1:1 ratio. I mean, if you're going to do it at all, and do it selectively, readers will think "Now why is this one a man and this one a woman?"

I would think an even ratio would go much less noticed. Right now, I think it distracts the reader. As an editor, I would say stick with the general (bad) convention, or use he/she in alternating snobs.

I'm hesitant to draw conclusions about the specific article, but my reaction does highlight to me just how problematic and troubling the default to male pronouns is in general. It seems to me that the only answer is a much more widespread and proactive use of gender inclusive language. Had the gender balance in this piece been roughly 1:1, I don't think my reaction would have been the same. I recognise that there are reasons why writers might be reluctant to go that far, but I reckon that dismantling a system of oppression has required and will require far greater sacrifices than that.

AMEN.
posted by mrgrimm at 5:49 PM on February 7, 2015 [1 favorite]


But I'm also concerned about things like corporate ownership and, probably more important, dodgy ingredients. Are there preservatives etc in it? Other toxic crap? That certainly used to be the case with the macrobrews up here in Canada. I say "used to" because I haven't looked into it recently.

So you're basically ignorant and afraid? And that's your excuse for being a snob? Fear, uncertainty and doubt? Just throw around some scary words and some question marks?

Toxic crap like what? Dodgy ingredients like what? (If the answer is 'sugar' or 'adjuncts', stay away from Belgium.) Which breweries are we talking about? Why is it not possible small breweries aren't doing similar things? Are you similarly discerning about other big corporations, like Apple, Microsoft and Google? Do you not shop at supermarkets because everything there is made by one of couple of handfuls of megacorps? Do you eschew all preservatives (omfg it's cold filtered! What if they pasteurised it?)

Some of the responses in this thread are just amazing. Imagine for a second if we were talking about anything except beer. Would you walk around your office and say 'You bought that are Target? What the fuck is wrong with you? There's a guy making bespoke ties right over there! At least go to Etsy if you have can't afford something good.' Imagine hovering around the tie rack in a department store and second-guessing what people buy. 'Oh, you don't want that one. Why are you looking at me like that? I'm being a tie friend!'

Knowing about beer is fine. Thinking that makes you better than other people, or other people worse than you, is bullshit. Thinking you need to swoop in and save somebody from drinking what they want to drink is bullshit. Saying 'I'm not a snob because you can drink what you want, and it's wrong, but I can ignore it I guess' is bullshit. Are you making people comfortable? Or are you just making noise so everybody knows how you're ever so smart about a carbonated beverage?
posted by obiwanwasabi at 11:27 PM on February 7, 2015 [5 favorites]


Would you walk around your office and say 'You bought that are Target? What the fuck is wrong with you?

Target is a retailer, not a manufacturer. Try "You're only eating at McDonalds? The same meal every time?" instead.
posted by effbot at 6:26 AM on February 8, 2015 [1 favorite]


I'm just happy when I can sip a beer without getting baby-tasting-a-lemon face.
posted by sonascope at 8:05 AM on February 8, 2015


Other toxic crap?

Yes. There's ethanol in it.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 12:02 PM on February 8, 2015 [1 favorite]


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