Jeb - the musical!
June 14, 2015 10:02 AM   Subscribe

As we approach the final 500 days to the 2016 US presidential election, and with a smorgasbord of POTUS wannabes, John Ellis Bush has revealed, through the medium of the Twitter, his campaign logo. A day before the bid of "Veto Corleone" is launched in Florida, and a day after Hillary Clinton formally launched her campaign through a rally and smalltown networking, Jeb is the betting favorite to be the Republican candidate, with strong showings for Marco Rubio and Scott Walker. He's also raised a bit of money; however, this hasn't been spent on a completely new logo (also here and here and here and possibly here). Parodies are also starting, as are enhancements. Despite this, Hillary remains the clear favorite to be the next POTUS, with George Clooney a 150/1 outsider at several bookmakers).
posted by Wordshore (121 comments total) 5 users marked this as a favorite
 
On Hillary's logo

I read this article this morning and have renewed hope that we won't have to deal with a Clinton v. Bush race after all.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 10:08 AM on June 14, 2015


Jeb 2016: Small government; huge serifs.

Prepare for serifdom.
posted by schmod at 10:12 AM on June 14, 2015 [18 favorites]


Jeb! is the noise Polish Batman makes when he slugs a villain.
posted by Thing at 10:14 AM on June 14, 2015 [44 favorites]


. . . I could actually see myself voting for Clooney. I could tell myself he would be liberal version of Ronald Reagan.
posted by paper chromatographologist at 10:18 AM on June 14, 2015 [4 favorites]


Before we get all design nerdy about the logo...

This is a pretty perfect logo for a republican candidate to have. This is a decidedly anti-style style of logo. It is simple, and it speaks in very simple ways to people who don't know what serifs are, don't give a fuck about color theory, negative space or any other design principles. It focuses on his nickname, uses an exclamation point unironically and has nothing daring or confusing in it whatsoever. It's terrible design, if you care about design, sure. But the base that republicans have always pretended to represent aren't graphic design people. They aren't creatives, they aren't people who snark about logos online. This logo is actually pretty perfect for his campaign.
posted by shmegegge at 10:22 AM on June 14, 2015 [29 favorites]


I really, really just want to be done with Clintons and Bushes in the White House.
posted by Mr.Encyclopedia at 10:23 AM on June 14, 2015 [25 favorites]


Holy shit that's ugly.

If Jeb(!) really wanted to reach out to the anti-design types, it'd be in Comic Sans. That's the favored font of the conservative white person. Judging by the emails I get anyway.
posted by emjaybee at 10:30 AM on June 14, 2015


Jokes aside, this is a well-chosen logo, and it's pretty clear that Jeb is positioning himself similar to his brother in 2000. You can virtually hear things like "commonsense," "simple," and "traditional" being spoken next to this logo.

It's catchy, memorable, exudes the fake-folksy vibe that the Bush family has always excelled at crafting. Even in spite of their family history, they'll be able to call the Clintons elitist -- and get away with it.
posted by schmod at 10:30 AM on June 14, 2015 [2 favorites]


I really, really just want to be done with Clintons and Bushes in the White House.

Hang on in there! There are other people, not Clintons or Bushes, being prepared to challenge for the highest office.
posted by Wordshore at 10:31 AM on June 14, 2015


I think the clear winner so far is jpeg artifacts.
posted by ckape at 10:32 AM on June 14, 2015 [19 favorites]


It's catchy, memorable, exudes the fake-folksy vibe that the Bush family has always excelled at crafting. Even in spite of their family history, they'll be able to call the Clintons elitist -- and get away with it.

Always? I don't recall HW Bush being anything other than awkwardly patrician.
posted by srboisvert at 10:33 AM on June 14, 2015 [5 favorites]


Disappointed that none of the parody links referenced this iconic, exclamation-pointed item.
posted by emjaybee at 10:34 AM on June 14, 2015


It's only a year and a half until the election.

Kill me now.
posted by Pogo_Fuzzybutt at 10:35 AM on June 14, 2015 [14 favorites]


You know, this isn't the first Bush logo to end in an '!'
posted by Nanukthedog at 10:39 AM on June 14, 2015 [1 favorite]


Jeb! Is outrageous.


Truly truly truly outrageous.
posted by The Whelk at 10:42 AM on June 14, 2015 [20 favorites]


. That's the favored font of the conservative white person.

And for the I Can't Breathe shirts.
posted by jpe at 10:46 AM on June 14, 2015


I'm already tired of this election.

That said, if Bush and Clinton are indeed the nominees of their respective parties, Bush will likely want to balance the ticket by putting a woman in the VP slot. And who better than Liz Cheney?

Bush/Cheney 2016!
posted by Slothrup at 10:49 AM on June 14, 2015 [4 favorites]


I just don't see how Bush overcomes the name. The democratic presidential advantages aside, the negatives associated with "Bush" are so high it'd sink the second coming of Reagan. Hillary's proxies have the easiest argument in the world. Just pose the question, do you want a repeat of the Clinton Peace & Prosperity, or the Bush Wars & Market Crash?
posted by leotrotsky at 10:50 AM on June 14, 2015 [2 favorites]


do you want a repeat of the Clinton Peace & Prosperity, or the Bush Wars & Market Crash?

Do you want a repeat of everybody rich and happy, or one percent of everybody rich and happy?
posted by carsonb at 10:59 AM on June 14, 2015 [3 favorites]


Don't forget, you could be that one percent. You!
posted by carsonb at 11:00 AM on June 14, 2015 [13 favorites]


Jeb!
posted by carsonb at 11:01 AM on June 14, 2015


I think you may be underestimating the extent to which the Republican Noise Machine has been able to spin the crash as Obama's fault (or at least able to get people worked up about "Obama's bailouts" while glossing over that the reason bailouts were needed was Bush's fault.)
posted by soundguy99 at 11:02 AM on June 14, 2015 [5 favorites]


I also immediately thought of the short-lived, ridiculous sitcom That's My Bush! (It's funny how much that intro resembles Too Many Cooks)
posted by naju at 11:07 AM on June 14, 2015 [4 favorites]


I just don't see how Bush overcomes the name. The democratic presidential advantages aside, the negatives associated with "Bush" are so high it'd sink the second coming of Reagan. Hillary's proxies have the easiest argument in the world. Just pose the question, do you want a repeat of the Clinton Peace & Prosperity, or the Bush Wars & Market Crash?

Apparently by going mononymous. Madonna. Cher. Sting. Bono. Adele. Rhianna. Jeb!
posted by T.D. Strange at 11:11 AM on June 14, 2015 [2 favorites]


Jeb!, the new sitcom from the creators of "Dude, where's my economy?", coming Fall 2016 to CSPAN.
posted by lmfsilva at 11:14 AM on June 14, 2015 [1 favorite]


I'm confused. Shouldn't the children of Bush II be next in line to the throne?
posted by justsomebodythatyouusedtoknow at 11:25 AM on June 14, 2015 [2 favorites]


I'm confused. Shouldn't the children of Bush II be next in line to the throne?

Agnatic primogeniture doesn't recognize female heirs.
posted by T.D. Strange at 11:29 AM on June 14, 2015 [24 favorites]


Jeb (my last name is so toxic I can't even have it on my logo)!
posted by longdaysjourney at 11:33 AM on June 14, 2015 [20 favorites]


I think Jeb Bush is doomed by the family's war history. If the era of potential wars was over, he could brush it off. But to win the Republican primaries, he is going to have to promise war in Iran and/or Syria, and even the Republican spin machines can't un-link Bush and failed Mideast wars.
posted by msalt at 11:33 AM on June 14, 2015


Given the horrible damage that Jeb's brother did and the American public's ability to forget such things with their shockingly selective memory...I'm thinking Jeb is the one with the best shot at turning this race into a nail-biter.

The media, therefore, will do everything they can to make that happen. They're more interested in ratings than honest reporting.
posted by scaryblackdeath at 11:33 AM on June 14, 2015 [5 favorites]


Reminds me of the Jif peanut butter logo for some reason. Now I'm hungry....
posted by asra at 11:35 AM on June 14, 2015


Aside from what his brother did, what HE did should be the focus of a lot of the attacks that the Dems make.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 11:37 AM on June 14, 2015 [3 favorites]


Jeb!

That's so obnoxious he's probably won.
posted by Artw at 11:37 AM on June 14, 2015


I'm confused. Shouldn't the children of Bush II be next in line to the throne?

Unfortunately, the Bush-succession issue clashes with the Bush-we-all-get-to-be-POTUS issue. One of Jeb's sons is already rapidly climbing the political ladder, and is also apparently the first Bush to win his first political election.

So, 2024. Joseph P. Kennedy III vs Chelsea Clinton in the primaries, the winner to face off against George P. Bush for POTUS?
posted by Wordshore at 11:37 AM on June 14, 2015


As we approach the final 500 days to the 2016 US presidential election

512 days, to be exact.
posted by andoatnp at 11:37 AM on June 14, 2015


Yeah, but the primaries are going to be more interesting than the general election, anyhow. And the primaries start in about 7 months.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 11:38 AM on June 14, 2015 [1 favorite]


I just don't see how Bush overcomes the name. The democratic presidential advantages aside, the negatives associated with "Bush" are so high it'd sink the second coming of Reagan. Hillary's proxies have the easiest argument in the world. Just pose the question, do you want a repeat of the Clinton Peace & Prosperity, or the Bush Wars & Market Crash?

If toxic names where a thing the Republican party itself would have to rebrand.
posted by srboisvert at 11:39 AM on June 14, 2015


wait... wait...

so we're likely going to have an election where the two people at the finish line are running on their first/nick name?

I've actually have tried avoiding referring to Clinton by her first name, even though that is the prevailing wind even from her, as typically that's a pretty gendered thing to do.. or at least that has been my impression. But seriously this is got to be the Mab Libs election right?


( and I fully expect all the "Barry" folks to start typing "John"... right?)
posted by edgeways at 11:51 AM on June 14, 2015 [1 favorite]


so we're likely going to have an election where the two people at the finish line are running on their first/nick name?

Contrast that with the great pains that Republicans took in 2008 and 2012 to refer to Barack Hussien Obama by his full, Muslim sounding, name.
posted by T.D. Strange at 11:54 AM on June 14, 2015 [1 favorite]


I can't decide if this situation resembles feudal hereditary titles or entertainment companies betting on big budget sequels rather than new properties.
posted by Mr.Encyclopedia at 11:54 AM on June 14, 2015 [20 favorites]


Is Clinton and Bush both declaring and launching campaigns this early setting a record? I hate US presidential campaign season more and more and more and it's almost always election season. There's so very much time for it to be ugly and mean, for the campaign ads, slurs, lies and media idiocy to grate on my nerves. I will end up hating everyone, possibly including lovable Bernie Sanders.
posted by theora55 at 11:55 AM on June 14, 2015


Hillary's proxies have the easiest argument in the world. Just pose the question, do you want a repeat of the Clinton Peace & Prosperity, or the Bush Wars & Market Crash?

This is the kind of thing that ought to be an obvious slam dunk for the Dem side, but here in Texas people were non-ironically posting billboards of a smiling George W. saying "Miss me yet?" while the economic crash was a recent memory and Obama was slowly but surely moving us away from another Depression. So I'm not ruling Jeb out. He can claim Obama invaded Iraq and caused the crash and a decent chunk of the GOP base will eat it up.
posted by Pater Aletheias at 11:57 AM on June 14, 2015 [7 favorites]


I did not know Jeb was the nickname for John Ellis Bush. I hadn't thought about it but would have assumed Jebediah, which may be a bit Gothic for this family, honestly. Or perhaps Jebro or Jebroni.
posted by krinklyfig at 11:59 AM on June 14, 2015 [11 favorites]


Jeb! the comic sans of candidates.
posted by Fizz at 12:02 PM on June 14, 2015 [5 favorites]


I read this article this morning and have renewed hope that we won't have to deal with a Clinton v. Bush race after all.

As much as I'm rooting for Bernie Sanders to have a positive effect on this election cycle, I don't think an op-ed comparing this election to the Tony awards (?!) makes a very effective argument for his possible victory.

He's the longest of long shots, especially with all the corporate influence in US politics these days. The pragmatic/rational side of me is just hoping that his candidacy will shine some light on humanistic Democratic Socialist politics. I want him to be a counterbalance to the right's socialist bogeyman and prove that Socialism doesn't have to mean a fascist/soviet state.

As for the Republicans, I have a hard time seeing how they can win at all. Bush has that name, Walker and Cruz aren't nearly as charismatic as they believe themselves to be, Rubio is a joke, and Rand Paul has too many fringe beliefs to be taken seriously. But then again, I never saw GWB as a realistic candidate in the run-up to the 2000 election, and here we are.
posted by mokin at 12:05 PM on June 14, 2015 [2 favorites]


I did not know Jeb was the nickname for John Ellis Bush.

I didn't know that either. Like GOB? Now I want him to use The Final Countdown as his theme music.
But where did the lighter fluid come from?
posted by artychoke at 12:10 PM on June 14, 2015 [16 favorites]


Given who we are as a nation, how in the hell did James Carter ever get elected?
posted by maxwelton at 12:12 PM on June 14, 2015




Jeb can claim Obama invaded Iraq and he'd be correct. Additional reinforcements were announced last week.

I think the Democrats need to work on their presidential candidate diversity outreach. Their field boasts only a woman, while the Republican field includes a woman, two Hispanics, an Indian-American, a Black man, and a rumored closeted gay guy.
posted by save alive nothing that breatheth at 12:19 PM on June 14, 2015


And a couple Catholics!

A somewhat smaller portion of that rainbow coalition has a legitimate chance at winning the Republican nomination, though.
posted by box at 12:24 PM on June 14, 2015


Given who we are as a nation, how in the hell did James Carter ever get elected?

Maybe a fluke. Reagan challenged Ford, who was a weak incumbent after being appointed post-Nixon, and he didn't beat him but did effectively splinter the Republican Party enough that they couldn't get behind their nominee. Carter's big advantage was being both a Southern Baptist and an anti-war environmentalist, plus he was far more honest than Nixon, who cast a long shadow over the GOP during that election year. Carter was not a great politician, however. When Reagan returned in 1980 to win the Republican primary, he just steamrolled Jimmy Carter into oblivion during the campaign, with part of the strategy being the infamous Iran-Contra illegal hostage exchange.
posted by krinklyfig at 12:26 PM on June 14, 2015


Wait until Jeb UNLEASHES CHANG!

"Chang is a mystical warrior. Chang is somebody who believes in conservative principles, believes in entrepreneurial capitalism, believes in moral values that underpin a free society.

I rely on Chang with great regularity in my public life. He has been by my side and sometimes I let him down. But Chang, this mystical warrior, has never let me down."

(Jeb Bush in 2005, presenting Marco Rubio with a ceremonial sword to commemorate his elevation to speaker of the Florida House of Representatives.)

posted by Auden at 12:26 PM on June 14, 2015 [2 favorites]


Excuse me, but if you're going to be so familiar as to refer to this man on a first name basis, at least refer to him by his proper first name, "Jeb!". As in, "Hey guys, did you see that Jeb! announced his candidacy the other day?"
posted by indubitable at 12:33 PM on June 14, 2015


...and now that I clicked the links, I see that's what this is about.

Fail.
posted by indubitable at 12:34 PM on June 14, 2015


Ugh he actually recycled this crap from when he ran for governor back in the damn '90s.
posted by indubitable at 12:35 PM on June 14, 2015


Jeb! And the Holograms!
posted by madajb at 12:37 PM on June 14, 2015 [9 favorites]


Ugh he actually recycled this crap from when he ran for governor back in the damn '90s.

If it ain't broke...

Of course, what worked for Batshit insane Florida (and as a Floridian, I should know), won't necessarily work for the entire country.
posted by AlonzoMosleyFBI at 12:39 PM on June 14, 2015 [1 favorite]


All I'm saying is that Lamar! should sue the shit out of Jeb! for trademark infringement.
posted by octobersurprise at 12:41 PM on June 14, 2015 [3 favorites]


>Of course, what worked for Batshit insane Florida (and as a Floridian, I should know)

Yea, ditto on both counts.
posted by twidget at 1:19 PM on June 14, 2015


Actually, every other Bush is a solidly competent President.
posted by TheophileEscargot at 1:23 PM on June 14, 2015


Actually, every other Bush is a solidly competent President.

There were moments when he was governor where he seemed like a rational, competent and even likable guy (which are not words I'd use for Rick Scott). And then there were moments like the Terry Schiavo case in which you would watch him talk about it and, to quote George Carlin, you could suddenly point at him and say, "Ah! He's full of shit!"
posted by AlonzoMosleyFBI at 1:27 PM on June 14, 2015 [3 favorites]


Jeb! III: Beyond Thunderdome was considered copyright infringement.
posted by Nanukthedog at 1:28 PM on June 14, 2015


personally I'm really happy to have a candidate dedicated to employment
posted by NoraReed at 1:51 PM on June 14, 2015 [2 favorites]


I think you may be underestimating the extent to which the Republican Noise Machine has been able to spin the crash as Obama's fault (or at least able to get people worked up about "Obama's bailouts" while glossing over that the reason bailouts were needed was Bush's fault.)

I thought the crash was Clinton's fault, because he repealed Glass-Steagall?
posted by Hal Mumkin at 1:52 PM on June 14, 2015


Anyone else here have this geeky anti-Jeb logo come to mind?

'!Jeb'
posted by el io at 1:54 PM on June 14, 2015 [7 favorites]


I'm not too unhappy with the prospect of Hillary as Democratic nominee but I'm more than a little worried about the party's bench. Clinton is 67 and Sanders is 73; where are the younger bright lights in the Democratic Party's future?
posted by octothorpe at 2:20 PM on June 14, 2015


> That's the favored font of the conservative white person.
Nope.
posted by jfuller at 2:32 PM on June 14, 2015


Fuck this.
posted by jeb at 2:36 PM on June 14, 2015 [29 favorites]


¡Jeb!
posted by Tacodog at 2:44 PM on June 14, 2015


More and more.
posted by Wordshore at 2:47 PM on June 14, 2015




I thought the crash was Clinton's fault, because he repealed Glass-Steagall?

This is a concept far too complex and too long ago for the Republican Noise Machine to get any mileage out of it.
posted by soundguy99 at 3:49 PM on June 14, 2015


JEEEEEEEEEB!!!
posted by dirigibleman at 5:00 PM on June 14, 2015


Steve Holt!

That is all.
posted by the cydonian at 5:13 PM on June 14, 2015


It must be noted that John Ellis Bush's repurposing his initials J.E.B. as a nickname was the obvious inspiration for Arrested Development's GOB. And let's face it, the Bush Dynasty has nothing on the Bluth Dynasty.
posted by oneswellfoop at 5:51 PM on June 14, 2015 [4 favorites]


Hmm...
posted by Wordshore at 5:57 PM on June 14, 2015


Fraternity of Failure, Paul Krugman
posted by the man of twists and turns at 6:41 PM on June 14, 2015


I did not know Jeb was the nickname for John Ellis Bush.

It's not a nickname, it's an acronym.
posted by monospace at 8:54 PM on June 14, 2015


Actually, every other Bush is a solidly competent President.

Nah. During the George Herbert Walker Bush administration, American citizens were arrested and jailed for performing music and drawing cartoons.

He fucked up in other ways too. He wasn't solidly competent. Just better than W. And not much.
posted by Cookiebastard at 8:54 PM on June 14, 2015


He was good for Ministry samples.
posted by Artw at 8:56 PM on June 14, 2015 [3 favorites]


Jeb! (Medley)

♫ ♪
Jeb! I can almost remember their nauseous faces
That time you told me that
You were going to be President soon.
And Jeb, I thought your choice
To run for Prez was made too soon
Jeb! Woo-ooo-ooo! Jeb! Woo-ooo-ooo!

♫ ♬

You've got to be bought
From head to toes
You've got to be bought
By Lehman Bros
It's got to be paid
In your swank little bank
You've got to be carefully bought

You've got to be bought, damn ACA
By people whose profits are made
Off people with med bills to pay
You've got to be carefully bought

♪ ♫

How do you solve a problem like Dubya?
A man who almost brought the country down?
How do you find the word that means Dubya?
A liability!
A sibling!
A clown!

♫ ♬

The election won't end on a sorrowful note,
Though by tomorrow you've won;
My campaign is ended, but as Mom surely knows,
Dad has at least two other sons.
You may take the White House from me, I'll miss the donors' largesse
But though you take D.C. from me, I'll still possess:
The house at Kennebunkport
And hunting poor people for sport
The memory of all that
No, no, you can't take that away from me.
You can't
(NO!)
Take that away
(NO YOU CAN'T!)
Hillllll-AAAA-RYYYYYYYYYYY!
♫ ♬
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 9:06 PM on June 14, 2015 [3 favorites]


Nah. During the George Herbert Walker Bush administration, American citizens were arrested and jailed for performing music and drawing cartoons.

Whoah, I hate the first Bush more than the next guy, and am more hard-core 1st amendment than the next guy...

But all of the examples you cited were done at the state level. I'm not going to blame the president for things that various states do.

There are plenty of other reasons to despise a president who used to be head of the CIA, and was part of an administration that helped train central-american death squads, among many many other crimes.

/derail
posted by el io at 10:16 PM on June 14, 2015


"I did not know Jeb was the nickname for John Ellis Bush."

It's not a nickname, it's an acronym.


His nickname might come from an acronym, but he doesn't print it as J.E.B. It's a distinction without a difference- it can be both, where someone's nickname comes from an acronym of their initials. I'd be willing to bet that Jeb would tell you that's his nickname, because we aren't in the habit of asking people, "What's your nickname or acronym?" The one exception might be GOB from Arrested Development, who was insistent on spelling his nickname with capital letters, IIRC.
posted by krinklyfig at 1:44 AM on June 15, 2015


It must be noted that John Ellis Bush's repurposing his initials J.E.B. as a nickname was the obvious inspiration for Arrested Development's GOB.

I'm not too sure, but it could be the case. How many people knew anything about Jeb Bush when Arrested Development started in 2003, except maybe Florida voters? How many of those people knew his nickname came from his initials? I knew who Jeb Bush was from pretty early on, since I try to keep up with politics, but I had no idea that his full name was John Ellis Bush until yesterday. I mean, even for Arrested Development, that's a very obscure reference. But... I dunno, might be? I never totally underestimate their writers.
posted by krinklyfig at 1:56 AM on June 15, 2015


Arrested Development was loaded with Bush/Bluth parallels, and Jeb/GOB makes perfect sense as he's the older son who was passed over in favor of the younger (W/Michael) to run the country/company.
posted by oakroom at 6:28 AM on June 15, 2015 [2 favorites]


I'm not going to blame the president for things that various states do.

I am. If it were just one instance, I might not. But it was several, and the President of the USA can say "We don't jail people for cartoons and songs here" or not. Some of these were high-profile cases and he chose not.

There are plenty of other reasons to despise a president who used to be head of the CIA, and was part of an administration that helped train central-american death squads, among many many other crimes.

Yeah, that stuff too.
posted by Cookiebastard at 6:29 AM on June 15, 2015


He coincidentally picked up a fake folksy name in roughly the same way George coincidentally picked up a fake Texas accent.
posted by Artw at 6:31 AM on June 15, 2015 [2 favorites]


His nickname might come from an acronym, but he doesn't print it as J.E.B. It's a distinction without a difference- it can be both, where someone's nickname comes from an acronym of their initials.

See also Confederate general/beard exemplar James Ewell Brown "Jeb" Stuart .
posted by kirkaracha at 6:55 AM on June 15, 2015


Oh, I always thought the GOB/JEB thing was very much the point of that joke.

Also, I just want to say that it's been six months since I first saw it and I haven't stopped laughing about this photo, which I truly believe deserves to be turned into a "sulky Jeb" meme.
posted by yarrow at 7:14 AM on June 15, 2015 [4 favorites]


"Quiche. Making note of that. #debates"
posted by box at 7:20 AM on June 15, 2015


"Jeb Bush is a weak front-runner" (538)
posted by box at 7:24 AM on June 15, 2015


He coincidentally picked up a fake folksy name in roughly the same way George coincidentally picked up a fake Texas accent.

Ugh, this again. While it's true Bush Junior was born in Connecticut, his family moved to Texas when he was two years old, where he would be reared and educated all the way up through his first years of high school, after which he attended Phillips Academy in Andover, Mass.

So, while just about everything about the guy is fake and phony and shallow as a mud puddle, take it from a Texan—the stupid way he talks is 100% authentic.
posted by Atom Eyes at 10:29 AM on June 15, 2015 [1 favorite]


Also, I just want to say that it's been six months since I first saw it and I haven't stopped laughing about this photo, which I truly believe deserves to be turned into a "sulky Jeb" meme.

Oh my god that little mustache on W
posted by rifflesby at 12:00 PM on June 15, 2015


where are the younger bright lights in the Democratic Party's future?

Elizabeth Warren, in either 2020 or 2024, depending?
posted by feckless fecal fear mongering at 1:02 PM on June 15, 2015


I love Warren but she's only two years younger than Hillary. There must be some prospects younger than 65 out there somewhere.
posted by octothorpe at 1:11 PM on June 15, 2015 [1 favorite]


Arrested Development was loaded with Bush/Bluth parallels, and Jeb/GOB makes perfect sense as he's the older son who was passed over in favor of the younger (W/Michael) to run the country/company.

Dubya was born in 1946, Jeb in 1953.

However, despite taking Spanish for four years, Jeb still hasn't figured out who that Hermano guy that his wife talks to on the phone is.
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 1:12 PM on June 15, 2015


There must be some prospects younger than 65 out there somewhere.

The Castro brothers, Tammy Duckworth, Gavin Newsom, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, maybe Cory Booker, maybe Keith Ellison... these are off the top of my head and I'm not really an expert, so please forgive me if one of them's a crook or unelectable or whatever.
posted by box at 1:49 PM on June 15, 2015


Oh and whats her name, the DA from Baltimore? Give her ten years.
posted by feckless fecal fear mongering at 1:54 PM on June 15, 2015


Jimmy Carter has only served one term, so technically/legally he could do a second term as POTUS if elected?
posted by Wordshore at 2:18 PM on June 15, 2015 [1 favorite]


Jeb!=
posted by MrVisible at 3:55 PM on June 15, 2015 [3 favorites]


I think he'll win. Of course I also thought he'd run in previous elections. I absolutely hate that "I know you are but what am I" slogan his team had him lead off with, a tactic politicians and specifically republicans, love to use. But that bastard is probably going to win. And despite having "gone over this before", you know we're going to see that same "well let him win, so everybody can see how messed up the country is with yet another Bush as president".

And a bunch of horrible laws will get passed, and the country will get that social regression a lot of on-the-wrong-side-of-history people have been craving, in between coming dangerously close to using racial, ethnic and gendered slurs that they "would be able to use if the country wasn't so p.c." and hoping secretly that they get to cause the death of someone not like them and get away with it, to release their pent up anger at the steady losses of privilege they decry.

But yeah, unless somebody comes out of nowhere, he'll win.
posted by cashman at 4:18 PM on June 15, 2015


> Unless somebody comes out of nowhere, he'll win

No, he won't.

See you in the election thread in 511 days (if Jeb! makes it through the primaries, of course) - and I promise to buy you a drink if I'm wrong and you're right. (If you're right, we'll both need it I guess.)
posted by RedOrGreen at 5:02 PM on June 15, 2015 [1 favorite]


Dubya was born in 1946, Jeb in 1953.

I've made a huge mistake...
posted by oakroom at 5:07 PM on June 15, 2015 [1 favorite]


Good timing, Donald Trump.
posted by peeedro at 6:14 PM on June 15, 2015


And I guess if we're going to keep up the Arrested Development comparison, there's a bit of Stan Sitwell in The Donald.
posted by peeedro at 6:15 PM on June 15, 2015


No, he won't. See you in the election thread in 511 days (if Jeb! makes it through the primaries, of course) - and I promise to buy you a drink if I'm wrong and you're right. (If you're right, we'll both need it I guess.)

You're on. Except that you don't have to buy me a drink or anything.

I'm sure it's already been said, but Jeb's win will probably be cemented by the choice of a female VP. I'd go so far as to say a nonwhite person, but that might freak out too many republicans.
posted by cashman at 6:59 PM on June 15, 2015


I'm sure it's already been said, but Jeb's win will probably be cemented by the choice of a female VP. I'd go so far as to say a nonwhite person, but that might freak out too many republicans.

My thinking exactly, and my money for the Republican ticket is on Bush/Martinez for a number of reasons.
posted by Wordshore at 7:05 PM on June 15, 2015


Jeb's win will probably be cemented by the choice of a female VP.

You remember the last time they tried that, right?
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 9:48 PM on June 15, 2015 [1 favorite]


I guess that was proof you CAN have too folksy.
posted by Artw at 10:14 PM on June 15, 2015


The weird thing about the Republican nomination is that I can't see a single viable candidate in all of them. Jeb and Walker probably come closest but neither of their campaigns is doing very well. Usually with the Republicans you can see the obvious nominee from a mile away but this year the race is just baffling.
posted by octothorpe at 4:48 AM on June 16, 2015 [2 favorites]


In other news, The Donald....

Personally I don't like any of them much at all, but I really really really want to see a full on national primetime five network simulcast debate between Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump.
posted by sammyo at 5:24 AM on June 16, 2015 [1 favorite]


> The weird thing about the Republican nomination is that I can't see a single viable candidate in all of them. ... Usually with the Republicans you can see the obvious nominee from a mile away but this year the race is just baffling.

In the last few cycles, it's always been the nomination runner up who gets their turn in the next cycle. Bush defeated McCain, so next time it was McCain's turn. He crushed Romney with his VP pick (the day I lost my respect for him) so the next time round it was Romney. And Romney's closest competitor was ... Santorum? That's the root of the problem, I think.
posted by RedOrGreen at 6:55 AM on June 16, 2015 [1 favorite]


(But yeah, it's Walker, or maybe Jeb! if they can hold their noses through the primary - but surely the optics of a Bush-Clinton race are too awful for the Republican money machine to stomach? Even if both candidates run away as fast as they can from their last names, the subtext of the Clinton boom / Bush bust will be pretty clear.)
posted by RedOrGreen at 6:58 AM on June 16, 2015


Personally I don't like any of them much at all, but I really really really want to see a full on national primetime five network simulcast debate between Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump.

My brain is melting from how awesome that would be and how oh god no the Fox response would be.

And Romney's closest competitor was ... Santorum? That's the root of the problem, I think.

No, Santorum is a problem you get after rooting.
posted by feckless fecal fear mongering at 9:40 AM on June 16, 2015 [1 favorite]


I'd just like to see Trump in the Republican primary debates. He's a clown who will make every other Republican candidate look like a clown by association. He says what ever it takes to get attention and deflects any criticism with "Trump is great, you are a moron." Sadly, we all know his campaign is not serious and he and will not participate in the debates.
posted by peeedro at 10:28 AM on June 16, 2015


So who is this Fuckface von Clownstick guy everyone is talking about?
posted by Artw at 12:38 PM on June 16, 2015


So who is this Fuckface von Clownstick guy everyone is talking about?

I missed that first time round. He ... actually tweeted it.
posted by Wordshore at 12:57 PM on June 16, 2015 [3 favorites]


The very talented Clay Bennett has the best Jeb! parody.
posted by riruro at 4:17 PM on June 16, 2015


Jeb Bush Makes a Major Fashion Statement
Jeb Bush is his own man. How do we know this? Well, he says it a lot. But more important, he showed it on Monday in Miami — becoming the first candidate in his family, and possibly the first candidate ever, to announce his bid for the United States’ highest office in … shirtsleeves.
posted by the man of twists and turns at 10:46 PM on June 17, 2015


Well, to be fair, who wants to wear a jacket in Florida in the summer?
posted by jamaro at 11:37 PM on June 17, 2015


WHAT IF HE WEARS A BEIGE SUIT IN OFFICE????
posted by Artw at 9:33 AM on June 18, 2015 [1 favorite]


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