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"The idea is that Hannibal is always eating people, regardless of what he’s feeding you. So I wanted it to look like something that could be lamb’s tongue but probably was a people tongue. Lambs’ tongues are so homely, and once you cook them they just look creepy and unappetizing, and what I want more than anything is for the food to look so delicious that you want to reach into the screen and try it, even though you know it’s people. It’s the personification of Hannibal. He’s the Devil. Why do you like him? Why do you want to get to know him? Why do you want to eat these tongues? They’re people!"
How Hannibal's food stylist, Janice Poon, creates hypothetical human meat
posted by Room 641-A (92 comments total) 48 users marked this as a favorite
 
SIX SEASONS AND A SEX SCENE MOVIE!
posted by The Whelk at 6:43 PM on June 30, 2015 [8 favorites]


As I favorited this FPP, I noticed that one other person have favorited it before I had, and I knew immediately who it would be.
posted by Parasite Unseen at 6:44 PM on June 30, 2015 [5 favorites]


It's been linked before plenty on the Blue, but Janice blogs every episode's food. She had been including concept art and such until this season because.... They want to save that for the cookbook.
posted by sparkletone at 6:54 PM on June 30, 2015 [5 favorites]


H&F: It seems like you have a symbiotic relationship with the departments.

Janice Poon: We work together and feed off each other like crazy.


uh
posted by kagredon at 7:10 PM on June 30, 2015 [16 favorites]


SIX SEASONS AND A MOVIE!

NINE CIRCLES OF HELL AND A LUAU!
posted by infinitewindow at 7:12 PM on June 30, 2015 [13 favorites]


WILD CANNIBAL CACKLING
posted by poffin boffin at 7:13 PM on June 30, 2015 [1 favorite]


ok more like reserved cannibal chuckling but whatevs
posted by poffin boffin at 7:13 PM on June 30, 2015 [2 favorites]


...hypothetical human meat...

Hypothetical...suuuure...that's what they want you to think.
posted by Thorzdad at 7:24 PM on June 30, 2015


Man that last answer is such a fucking tease
posted by showbiz_liz at 7:24 PM on June 30, 2015


She's spent too much time around Bryan.
posted by sparkletone at 7:25 PM on June 30, 2015 [1 favorite]


Here is "that photo of the side-by-side of [Poon's] leg with the piece of meat."
posted by ODiV at 7:33 PM on June 30, 2015 [5 favorites]


I really don't care for the writing in hannibal... But the food, costume and soundtrack to that show are all amazing.

I think the whole aspect of making the food so appealing is brilliant really.

I'd buy the cookbook
posted by das_2099 at 7:49 PM on June 30, 2015


sanguinaccio, which is a pudding made from chocolate and blood

where can i have this right now, tell me at once
posted by poffin boffin at 7:53 PM on June 30, 2015 [4 favorites]


where can i have this right now, tell me at once

Ornella Trattoria, if you don't mind the trip to Queens.
posted by jedicus at 7:57 PM on June 30, 2015 [1 favorite]


Although I once made a chocolate & blood ice cream based on the Nordic Food Lab's work and the results were underwhelming. It mostly tasted like salted chocolate ice cream that was just a bit too salty, which also prevented the ice cream from hardening properly, staying at a soft-serve consistency.
posted by jedicus at 8:02 PM on June 30, 2015


I like her anecdotes about the vegan/vegetarian raw meat substitutes. There's that creepiness in knowing it's not what it looks like, but still sort of expecting it to be that thing you don't really want to eat. I'm not even vegan, and I'm not sure I could bring myself to eat something that looks exactly like raw meat. Er, unless it's tartare, I guess.

I always thought the concept of Hufu was funny, in an incredibly dark and unsettling way. The Daily Show said their slogan should be "It's Who's For Dinner."
posted by teponaztli at 8:09 PM on June 30, 2015 [1 favorite]


Guys remember when I told The Whelk he should watch Hannibal

I'm sorry
posted by shakespeherian at 8:40 PM on June 30, 2015 [20 favorites]


They want to save that for the cookbook.

I barely even watch the show and I want this book so bad I can taste it
posted by feckless fecal fear mongering at 8:43 PM on June 30, 2015 [1 favorite]


I am for the cookbook so excited!

Thanks to Janice and that show the posts on my Facebook feed from her blog and my kitchen durning season 2... well, some of my friends and family remain unconvinced when I swear up and down I'm not an actual cannibal.

She's done some many brilliant things.
Dr. Giddeon's thight to me was probably the most upsetting.
posted by The Legit Republic of Blanketsburg at 8:44 PM on June 30, 2015


Guys remember when I told The Whelk he should watch Hannibal

I'm sorry


But my wardrobe and plating skills have never been better! Plus you suggested all that great home decor- wait

is this your design
posted by The Whelk at 8:47 PM on June 30, 2015 [18 favorites]


It is straight up hilarious that 72,000 people (and counting) have signed a petition on Change.org to petition NBC to save hannibal.
posted by likeatoaster at 9:14 PM on June 30, 2015


Is cannibalism problematic?
posted by Sebmojo at 9:16 PM on June 30, 2015


Or ...delicious?
posted by The Whelk at 9:18 PM on June 30, 2015


why_not_both_taco_girl.gif
posted by poffin boffin at 11:37 PM on June 30, 2015


Real cannibalism: bad.
Operatic, physically impossible cannibalism: G... Well. Fun to watch.
posted by sparkletone at 11:42 PM on June 30, 2015 [1 favorite]


Real cannibalism: efficient, tasty and environmentally friendly. Free-range rude.
posted by The Zeroth Law at 11:46 PM on June 30, 2015


No it would be like the old school vampires in True Blood who missed humans before the industrial revolution, you'd have to find like isolated people who somehow where utterly uncontainminated hunter gatherers (eating apex predators is a ...bad idea, toxic build up and all ) also well marbled with fat despite living a largely vegetarian lifestyle with no heavy metals or prion diseases. And even then don't even think about eating the organs, I don't care if Great Apes are cannibals, it's not good for you.

Not that ... I've ..thought about this .. At all.
posted by The Whelk at 11:51 PM on June 30, 2015 [3 favorites]


So what do I need to do to make myself unappetizing to cannibals? This is really important.
posted by The World Famous at 12:00 AM on July 1, 2015 [2 favorites]


Just do you
posted by The Whelk at 12:05 AM on July 1, 2015 [5 favorites]


"In 2012, Japanese artist Mao Sugiyama cut off his own genitals and cooked it for 5 people – the 6th was a no-show – as a performance piece."


Wait, what?
posted by MexicanYenta at 12:12 AM on July 1, 2015 [2 favorites]


Wait, what?

come on, don't tell us you haven't thought of doing that yourself
posted by Sebmojo at 12:22 AM on July 1, 2015 [3 favorites]


Just do you

That's what has worked so far, so I can only assume I'm pretty unappetizing.
posted by The World Famous at 12:35 AM on July 1, 2015 [1 favorite]


MexicanYenta: ""In 2012, Japanese artist Mao Sugiyama cut off his own genitals and cooked it for 5 people – the 6th was a no-show – as a performance piece."


Wait, what
"

He's very googleable, if you're interested. Suffice to say, this is real.
posted by Joakim Ziegler at 12:56 AM on July 1, 2015


But he didn't cut off his own genitals, they were surgically removed at a hospital.
posted by Pendragon at 1:17 AM on July 1, 2015


Piker!
posted by Wolof at 2:01 AM on July 1, 2015


It is straight up hilarious that 72,000 people (and counting) have signed a petition on Change.org to petition NBC to save hannibal.

I almost did an fpp about this, because I think it's interesting even if you don't watch Hannibal but are a fan of TV industry crap in general, but I decided to restrain myself so here:

Hannibal is actually in a fairly unique situation, in that it is an international coproduction of which NBC was a partner, along with a French production company and several broadcasters worldwide. NBC chipped in a relatively small amount of money to secure the US broadcast rights and were able to exercise a limited amount of control over content (mostly related to censoring nudity), but it is not and never was just 'an NBC show'; it airs internationally as both a Gaumont original production and as an AXN original production, because they both paid for it to be produced as well as NBC.

What that means is that NBC actually CAN'T cancel Hannibal. They have pulled their cofunding and will no longer air the show, and if no one else picks it up then it won't continue because the other international cofunders can't financially support it alone, but that's not quite the same as when a 'normal' network show is cancelled.

So while NBC will never pick it back up, there is actually a very good chance that someone else could save it by becoming the new American cofunder. It's a huge bargain because of the coproduction model, and - and this is the reason that petition has so many signatures - it has a lot of very devoted fans who would follow it to a new home. The petition is less for NBC itself, and more a way of demonstrating that while it will never pull down broadcast TV numbers, it is still a desirable property for a more niche channel or streaming service to pick up.
posted by showbiz_liz at 2:03 AM on July 1, 2015 [7 favorites]


I signed. I really, really want to see this all the way through. Let Bryan do his work!
posted by h00py at 2:29 AM on July 1, 2015


French people would taste different, with all that wine, crusty bread, and Camembert. They’re going to be yummier.

Someone's making plans.
posted by Halloween Jack at 5:02 AM on July 1, 2015 [2 favorites]


is this your design

I gave you a rare gift, and you didn't want it.
posted by shakespeherian at 5:48 AM on July 1, 2015 [7 favorites]


What that means is that NBC actually CAN'T cancel Hannibal. They have pulled their cofunding and will no longer air the show, and if no one else picks it up then it won't continue because the other international cofunders can't financially support it alone, but that's not quite the same as when a 'normal' network show is cancelled.

So while NBC will never pick it back up, there is actually a very good chance that someone else could save it by becoming the new American cofunder. It's a huge bargain because of the coproduction mode


OK, so what will it take to Kickstart this?
posted by Gordafarin at 6:53 AM on July 1, 2015


OK, so what will it take to Kickstart this?

Right now it's all Twitter campaigns and organized email campaigns to various streaming services. Hopefully someone else will pick it up without any kickstarter tomfoolery required...
posted by showbiz_liz at 8:02 AM on July 1, 2015


I'm not sure I can handle a non-network, uncensored version of this show.

Also, how long before I start craving prosciutto again?
posted by Room 641-A at 8:22 AM on July 1, 2015 [2 favorites]




I gave you a rare gift, and you didn't want it.

I have peacock feathers in an antique vase now that's pretty much the definition of wanting it.

Todd VanDerWerff - What Hannibal's "Cancellation" and possible renewal means for the future of TV
posted by The Whelk at 8:24 AM on July 1, 2015 [2 favorites]


There was a very contentious mefi thread about the peen cooker guy if anyone cares enough to track it down.
posted by poffin boffin at 9:38 AM on July 1, 2015


I like how Hannibal manages to encompass my arty, literary friends who are put off by the gore but love the emotional arcs and acting, my Fangoria friends who think the story is mush but love the mural made of flesh and my other friends who are just grabbing at the screen screaming OMG THAT DRESS, THE TIES, GILLIANNNNNNNNN!
posted by The Whelk at 10:17 AM on July 1, 2015 [3 favorites]


There was a very contentious mefi thread about the peen cooker guy if anyone cares enough to track it down.

This is the thread.
posted by Pendragon at 10:32 AM on July 1, 2015


Then there are some of us at the intersection of the artfilm/Fangoria/SCULLLYYYYYYY Venn diagram who just become sobbing messes on the floor every week because Bryan Fuller speaks right to our hearts. While nibbling gently on our livers.
posted by Stacey at 10:35 AM on July 1, 2015 [2 favorites]


And don't let's forget the intense homoerotic not-even-subtext
posted by showbiz_liz at 10:39 AM on July 1, 2015


When Will was on the YACHT in the last episode I started to humm "Come sail away! Come sail away! Come sail away with meeeee.." and then noticed Fuller had made the exact same joke on Twitter a second eariler and that's when I was convinced the show was being made on my exact specific wavelength
posted by The Whelk at 10:44 AM on July 1, 2015 [4 favorites]


I wish to be The Whelk's protege. I will forward a resume and a list of relevant allergies.
posted by The World Famous at 11:33 AM on July 1, 2015




Needs more antlers
posted by showbiz_liz at 11:50 AM on July 1, 2015


*Faint atonal bull roarer playing in the background*
posted by The Whelk at 11:52 AM on July 1, 2015 [1 favorite]


What do you mean "faint"
posted by showbiz_liz at 11:53 AM on July 1, 2015 [3 favorites]


"Grim-but-somehow-whimsical fantasy cannibal cookbook" is the next outre Kindle fic genre.
posted by boo_radley at 1:18 PM on July 1, 2015 [1 favorite]


showbiz_liz: "What do you mean "faint""

yeah, it's not called a bullwhisperer.
posted by boo_radley at 1:19 PM on July 1, 2015


"Grim-but-somehow-whimsical fantasy cannibal cookbook" is the next outre Kindle fic genre.

Pounded in the Butt by my Own Butt (as it is Removed Piecewise)
posted by kagredon at 1:50 PM on July 1, 2015 [1 favorite]


Grimsical.
posted by boo_radley at 2:41 PM on July 1, 2015 [3 favorites]


Do you want to know a secret? Do you promise not to tell?
posted by The Whelk at 7:55 PM on July 1, 2015


🎶 Closer
Let me chop off your left ear 🎶
posted by kagredon at 8:21 PM on July 1, 2015 [1 favorite]


(Okay my thing has been delayed to next week but I assure you it is worth it )
posted by The Whelk at 7:57 AM on July 2, 2015


The Whelk: "(Okay my thing has been delayed to next week but I assure you it is worth it )"

In the meantime, I recommend that people check out Lil Friendy's HAMIBAL recaps
posted by boo_radley at 11:17 AM on July 2, 2015 [2 favorites]


Real cannibalism: bad.

Cannibalism strikes me as a highly efficient way to save a whole bunch of hassle. I mean obviously you shouldn't be killing people just to eat them (though, given we do exactly that to cows and sheeps and chickenses and fish, you kind of wonder why not), but the amount of fucking-around that happens when somebody dies is to my mind extremely wasteful. I guess there is the risk of brain parasites or human disease X when you don't cook a person properly, but just hollowing out a body and filling it with formaldehyde and throwing it in the ground in a lacquered box and throwing a bunch of dirt on it and then digging it up and moving it so that a new apartment block can be installed on prime real estate seems like a gross squandering of 60-90 years of shoulder massages, Pop Tarts and denim.
posted by turbid dahlia at 6:17 PM on July 5, 2015 [1 favorite]


technically YUO'RE a gross squandering of shoulder massages
posted by kagredon at 10:45 PM on July 5, 2015


kagredon, you're the greatest monster of them all... Frankenstein
posted by infinitewindow at 10:19 PM on July 6, 2015 [1 favorite]


WHELK. WHELK YOU DID A THING.
posted by Stacey at 10:13 AM on July 9, 2015 [4 favorites]


which CBT are we talking about here

omg
posted by kagredon at 10:22 AM on July 9, 2015 [2 favorites]


You know, which ever one makes you happier
posted by The Whelk at 12:50 PM on July 9, 2015


The Hannibal panel at SDCC is in a few hours. No livestream, but there will be livetwet presumably (and maybe some sites will decide to liveblog), and video will get uploaded eventually.

No Mads as usual as far as I know, but Hugh Dancy and Richard Armitage are there. Bryan is wearing a fucking incredible Star Wars jacket that is presumably made from his childhood bedsheets or something.
posted by sparkletone at 11:50 AM on July 11, 2015


Hugh has short hair and I'm upset but that damn jacket.

im so jealous of that tall man's ability to wear anything.

Apparently Thomas Harris has seen the show! And loves what they've done with his characters! fuller also said Season Four might work better at film length....
posted by The Whelk at 12:12 PM on July 11, 2015


That Harris bit is the standard answer when they get asked if Harris has seen/likes the show. I hope it's true. I really wonder what he makes of S3, given what chunks of the books it's pulling from and the, uh, somewhat fraught circumstances of the writing of the third and fourth books. Pity about the whole media-recluse thing, but whatever makes him happy!
posted by sparkletone at 12:30 PM on July 11, 2015


IT GOT DORKIER.
posted by sparkletone at 2:46 PM on July 11, 2015 [1 favorite]


OMG look how huge a jacket made for Fuller looks on Hugh.
posted by The Whelk at 2:55 PM on July 11, 2015


DeLaurentiis gets out in front of the panel and says no news about future seasons or anything. Bryan teased earlier in a press interview that his ~crazy plan~ for S4 would work as a feature too, so makes sense that they wanted to say something.
posted by sparkletone at 4:46 PM on July 11, 2015


Cleolinda then pointed out that no news is better than bad news, and I am way inclined to agree. I mostly just want some dorky puns and tidbits about the Red Dragon stuff that's coming.
posted by sparkletone at 4:49 PM on July 11, 2015


"@TheFakeGeekGal: Hannibal and Will will almost fight over Francis in that they'll try to save or corrupt him respectively."
posted by The Whelk at 5:15 PM on July 11, 2015


You know the divorced couple that're always fighting for the kid's favor?
posted by The Whelk at 5:16 PM on July 11, 2015


Time jump of three years for the start of the Red Dragon storyline, butts will not be blurred on Blu-Ray,
posted by The Whelk at 5:22 PM on July 11, 2015


"Richard: why are we wearing flowers on or heads?
Hugh: I don't actually know.
Bryan: it's a manifestation of the floral beauty of the fandom"

I lolled.
posted by sparkletone at 5:29 PM on July 11, 2015


Either DeLaurentiis or the official account teased Entertainment Weekly having something later. Gonna go ahead and call that as the ~rest of the season~ teaser they're apparently showing at the panel. MY BODY IS READY (my feelings maybe not).
posted by sparkletone at 5:35 PM on July 11, 2015


Holy crap the red dragon arc will have new Souixe Sioux music
posted by The Whelk at 5:35 PM on July 11, 2015 [1 favorite]


I'm trying to figure out how that fits tonally and I have no idea and I cannot wait to find out.
posted by sparkletone at 5:44 PM on July 11, 2015




I have no cite on this beyond the EW recap of the panel but: "Fuller says that Netflix passed and Amazon wanted to go back into production too early"

GODDAMMIT, AMAZON. YOU DON'T RUSH THE COOK.

The more heartening rest of the quote: "Hugh and Mads are very committed to the show and would love to continue with the show, so the way this season ends, there may be an opportunity for a little break and hopefully we’ll find a way to bring Mads and Hugh back to you."

Stuff Hugh said backs that up and there's literally no reason to believe they're lying. If Fuller's happy with what they're able to do, I'm completely up for it, whatever form it takes.
posted by sparkletone at 6:25 PM on July 11, 2015


Not gonna quote too much of the rest though I'll probably try to remember to post a video link once I have a decent one. Just stuff we knew about the general shape of the rest of the season... And that Richard Armitage is, like, naked. A lot. Good news for fans of the male form, as it were.
posted by sparkletone at 6:27 PM on July 11, 2015


I lied. I really, really, really want to quote this bit here now (since it'll be a while before I can quote it on Fanfare):
Fuller says he wanted to keep the promise of not telling rape stories in Dolarhyde’s tale: “It became more about the assault on the family unit than the woman in the family unit … It just felt like we listened very carefully to our audience and we know who our audience is. And I think you should only do a rape story when you can dedicate a lot of real estate to exploring exactly what sort of violation that means for everybody involved in the situation. So often on television, they don’t, and it makes it thin and shallow and lazy,” he said to huge cheers from the crowd. “We minimized a bit and we didn’t really pronounce that too much. It’s there if you want to see if, but I didn’t want to see it myself.”
The show has quite fairly (even if I disagree) at times received criticism about representation and various other issues. But they've stuck so well to this one and hearing that going into this last part is such a stand-on-my-desk-and-OH-CAPTAIN-MY-CAPTAIN[1] thing. They've done so well at taking so many things out of highly-problematic Hannibal (the novel) and making it work, but I still kinda felt unsure about Mr. Dolarhyde. They've indicated elsewhere that they don't cross the i's and dot the t's[2] on Francis' first murder being the one in the pilot because there wasn't screen time to do it... They just don't discount it either.

WAY READY FOR THIS... Just... Way no ready for this coming episode. Mason pls. Why. If I wanted kinky bondage GIFs, I'd look at my cough other tumblr account.

[1] - I fucking hate that movie on so many levels but it is useful as shorthand for a certain kind of unwieldy devotion.

[2] - LOOK. IF WILL CAN'T FUCKING DRAW A CLOCK, OR GO TO EUROPE WITHOUT GETTING HIS HEAD SAWED OPEN, I GET SOME LEEWAY.
posted by sparkletone at 6:37 PM on July 11, 2015




I don't even know where to start. Manhunter is a fantastic movie, but it's a Michael Mann movie, not a Thomas Harris movie. The Ratner Red Dragon is... boringly competent. WE ARE GOING FULL TILT ON WHAT THIS CRAZY SHIT SHOULD BE AND I AM SO UP FOR IT (oh god I am going to yell and sob the whole time).
posted by sparkletone at 7:16 PM on July 11, 2015


Hannibal! The show that dares to give you all the sweaty muscular man back you need.
posted by The Whelk at 8:44 PM on July 11, 2015


I'm up for full tilt shit too. Bring it awwn.
posted by h00py at 3:36 AM on July 12, 2015


There are some other SDCC interview type things I can't find links for at the moment, but the panel is up.
posted by sparkletone at 8:23 PM on July 12, 2015 [2 favorites]


When Hannibal gets caught, they don't only stick him Chilton's asylum, they move him to Saturdays.
posted by sparkletone at 2:51 PM on July 13, 2015


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