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July 29, 2015 12:23 PM   Subscribe

 
Nice find, good for Vulture! Though for a second I thought TVTropes started a video series.
posted by m@f at 12:47 PM on July 29, 2015 [4 favorites]


Great because if the regular TV tropes site wasn't a enough of a time killer....now I can waste time in video form...at least they are short and few in number so far....
posted by Captain_Science at 12:48 PM on July 29, 2015


An episode on the history of swearing on TV and no mention of "NYPD Blue"?
posted by NoMich at 12:49 PM on July 29, 2015 [4 favorites]


FWIW, while the DS9 episode "Rejoined" is featured in the Lesbian Kiss episode, I do think it actually had much more going for it than "ratings".

1. The taboo wasn't women kissing. Nobody cared about that in-universe.
2. The taboo was that Trill, as a species, do not allow symbionts to resume relationships after one host dies--and to do so meant essentially that they would never be allowed into "polite" society again, essentially meaning that the symbionts would die with the hosts.
3. The main character in the show, Dax, is quite willing to pay that price, whereas the visiting character is not, which leads to the heartbreak.

This is probably the first ST episode that managed to have a same-sex kiss; TNG tried to have one in The Outcast, where Jonathan Frakes fought (and lost) to have the guest character he smooches as Riker be played by a male actor.

While Trek has in the past sorta tried to dance around and say that they're not actually doing allegorical episodes, and while it has justifiably caught flak for not having much in the way of LGBT visibility, they do seem to come at the topics from the side when they can.
posted by qcubed at 12:55 PM on July 29, 2015 [4 favorites]


The first male-male kiss I think I ever saw was Deathtrap. It was Michael Caine and Cristopher Reeve. I saw it on HBO.
posted by Chocolate Pickle at 1:00 PM on July 29, 2015


The first male-male kiss I think I ever saw was Deathtrap. It was Michael Caine and Cristopher Reeve. I saw it on HBO.

I remember seeing that in the theater. I was about 12 years old and didn't quite know what to make of it. My normal reaction, back then, was to think such things were icky (I am no longer that way, thankfully) but it happened so quickly I remember just being sort of "huh. That just happened."
posted by bondcliff at 1:09 PM on July 29, 2015 [1 favorite]


qcubed: Thanks for that bit of Trivia. I still credit watching The Outcast when I was a preteen for completely changing my views on homosexuality. That was a great episode! - classic sci fi social critique.
posted by Popular Ethics at 1:45 PM on July 29, 2015


Are Crossover Episodes ever a good idea?
I NEED an "X-Files"-"Hannibal" crossover just to see Gillian Anderson do a Tatiana Maslany.
posted by oneswellfoop at 1:57 PM on July 29, 2015 [2 favorites]


My normal reaction, back then, was to think such things were icky (I am no longer that way, thankfully)

A while back I found a very old issue of Mad Magazine in my hoarder stash, and there was a thing in there about Deathtrap where they parodied the movie with a weird framing device of Christopher Reeve being interviewed about it on some show and showing clips. I was stunned by the homophobia of the thing. IIRC they had Reeve refer to his character as a "flaming faggot" and there was a joke about how he had gone from playing the Man of Steel to a "man of squeal". It was just vile stuff. And this was a mainstream magazine aimed at 12-year-old kids! Things have really changed, and thank goodness for that.

FWIW, while the DS9 episode "Rejoined" is featured in the Lesbian Kiss episode, I do think it actually had much more going for it than "ratings".

Yeah, there's a lot to admire about that episode. While the Trek shows never just had an episode with a normal gay couple, that episode did make it very clear that being gay was not at all shocking or controversial in Star Trek-land. The relationship between Dax and that lady was very romantic, and it was significant that our identification character was the one who was ready to make this huge sacrifice for the sake of a lesbian relationship. The Federation was fine with it, Dax's friends were fine with it, DAX was fine with it, and it was only the reluctance of Dax's lover that ended it.
posted by Ursula Hitler at 3:05 PM on July 29, 2015 [1 favorite]


Are Crossover Episodes ever a good idea?

The Bob's Burgers crossover on Archer was about the greatest TV thing ever.
posted by Cookiebastard at 3:30 PM on July 29, 2015 [8 favorites]


The most offensive "cousin Oliver" of all time was Scrappy Do.
posted by ctmf at 7:00 PM on July 29, 2015 [1 favorite]


How can you mention "bottle shows" and not give at least a passing nod to Archie and Meathead in the storage locker?
posted by mtVessel at 7:40 PM on July 29, 2015 [1 favorite]


Are Crossover Episodes ever a good idea?
Yes, the X-Files episode 'X-Cops'. After a brief opening shot of the X-Files logo, the rest was presented as an episode of COPS. Written by Vince Gilligan of Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul fame.
posted by Homer42 at 8:01 AM on July 30, 2015 [2 favorites]


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