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September 1, 2015 9:09 AM Subscribe
The beaver illustration is delightfully weird.
posted by jordemort at 9:20 AM on September 1, 2015 [8 favorites]
posted by jordemort at 9:20 AM on September 1, 2015 [8 favorites]
Surely there's an easier way to pack the Senate.
posted by infinitewindow at 9:22 AM on September 1, 2015
posted by infinitewindow at 9:22 AM on September 1, 2015
Especially since it looks as if the tree could tip right over and squash the beaver.
posted by Countess Elena at 9:22 AM on September 1, 2015 [2 favorites]
posted by Countess Elena at 9:22 AM on September 1, 2015 [2 favorites]
The photo accompanying the article is just perfect.
posted by The Card Cheat at 9:24 AM on September 1, 2015 [4 favorites]
posted by The Card Cheat at 9:24 AM on September 1, 2015 [4 favorites]
My parents and many members of my extended family live in waaay upstate NY along the Canadian border, and I know for a fact some of my aunts, uncles, and cousins would be all about this, despite the fact that separating upstate NY from the economic engine of NYC would likely bring about a Mad Max scenario within a few years. If you look around the table and can't find the leeches sucking off the government teat, you're them.
posted by tonycpsu at 9:25 AM on September 1, 2015 [19 favorites]
posted by tonycpsu at 9:25 AM on September 1, 2015 [19 favorites]
Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out!
posted by SansPoint at 9:25 AM on September 1, 2015 [2 favorites]
posted by SansPoint at 9:25 AM on September 1, 2015 [2 favorites]
Good riddance, upstate parasites. It would be nice having NYC free of your meddling bullshit and siphoning of our money.
posted by Sangermaine at 9:28 AM on September 1, 2015 [3 favorites]
posted by Sangermaine at 9:28 AM on September 1, 2015 [3 favorites]
Interesting that they're willing to accept a two-regions-within-one-state solution. One of the drivers of Eastern Washington succession is not wanting to suffer the indignity of having two liberal Democratic senators. The main complaint is the same in both states — the misguided belief that the urban areas are freeloaders — but Senate representation is a sore point for some Washingtonians I know.
posted by Banknote of the year at 9:30 AM on September 1, 2015 [2 favorites]
posted by Banknote of the year at 9:30 AM on September 1, 2015 [2 favorites]
Oh surely they should instead rename themselves to "Old New York"
posted by rhizome at 9:31 AM on September 1, 2015 [9 favorites]
posted by rhizome at 9:31 AM on September 1, 2015 [9 favorites]
You know, there's probably a good FPP in the topic of American secession movements - I mean those apart from the really famous one. There have been many such efforts; I first became aware of the trend by hearing histories of two somewhat gonzo movements, the 1970s movement for Martha's Vineyard to become a separate nation, and similarly, for Key West to become the Conch Republic. Here's a list by state, and a Mental Floss article.
posted by Miko at 9:31 AM on September 1, 2015 [13 favorites]
posted by Miko at 9:31 AM on September 1, 2015 [13 favorites]
I've lived in both of the would-be regions, and I can't imagine that anyone on either side of the line would be sad to see the other go. Especially if Albany is somehow forgotten in the move and ends up getting annexed by Massachusetts.
posted by Etrigan at 9:33 AM on September 1, 2015 [2 favorites]
posted by Etrigan at 9:33 AM on September 1, 2015 [2 favorites]
That pic Greg Nog linked to is full of WTFery.
posted by Kitteh at 9:34 AM on September 1, 2015 [7 favorites]
posted by Kitteh at 9:34 AM on September 1, 2015 [7 favorites]
> I wonder if this has anything to do with people of color getting priced out of the NYC metro area and subsequently relocating upstate.
It's unclear why this would change, or change anyone's mind. The State formerly know as upstate New York would still be just as close to NYC and have all the same train lines.
posted by Sunburnt at 9:34 AM on September 1, 2015 [1 favorite]
It's unclear why this would change, or change anyone's mind. The State formerly know as upstate New York would still be just as close to NYC and have all the same train lines.
posted by Sunburnt at 9:34 AM on September 1, 2015 [1 favorite]
lol what is it with old racist white people who are bad at math and secessionism?
posted by entropicamericana at 9:34 AM on September 1, 2015 [7 favorites]
posted by entropicamericana at 9:34 AM on September 1, 2015 [7 favorites]
"Upstate Secession" is by far Bruno Mars' worst song.
posted by GuyZero at 9:35 AM on September 1, 2015 [7 favorites]
posted by GuyZero at 9:35 AM on September 1, 2015 [7 favorites]
Yeah, I came in here after reading the articles and watching the videos to make a joke about how I was SHOCKED to find that the group wasn't very diverse, but after that #upstatelivesmatter thing, I'm gonna withhold my lame joke and just offer a sincere 'fuck them'.
posted by MCMikeNamara at 9:35 AM on September 1, 2015 [14 favorites]
posted by MCMikeNamara at 9:35 AM on September 1, 2015 [14 favorites]
I could *totally* see a #jeffersonlivesmatter hashtag being a thing, if any of the hillfolk involved in the SoJ movement knew what the fuck a hashtag was.
posted by entropicamericana at 9:39 AM on September 1, 2015 [2 favorites]
posted by entropicamericana at 9:39 AM on September 1, 2015 [2 favorites]
Meh, my dad used to go on about this when I was a little kid. Nothing ever came of it then, and nothing ever will. Buncha kooks.
posted by The Underpants Monster at 9:42 AM on September 1, 2015 [1 favorite]
posted by The Underpants Monster at 9:42 AM on September 1, 2015 [1 favorite]
A hashtag is remarkably close to the "double-cross" in the State of Jefferson seal and flag. I think there's a design project in here somewhere.
posted by rhizome at 9:43 AM on September 1, 2015 [1 favorite]
posted by rhizome at 9:43 AM on September 1, 2015 [1 favorite]
The funniest part, to me, is that they're proposing to rename upstate NY "New Amsterdam," despite that being the former name of the City.
posted by Sys Rq at 9:43 AM on September 1, 2015 [2 favorites]
posted by Sys Rq at 9:43 AM on September 1, 2015 [2 favorites]
rhizome: Nobody who supports SoJ is that clever.
posted by entropicamericana at 9:45 AM on September 1, 2015
posted by entropicamericana at 9:45 AM on September 1, 2015
I'm dying to get a State of Jefferson shirt, but there appear to be none! How can this be?
posted by rhizome at 9:46 AM on September 1, 2015
posted by rhizome at 9:46 AM on September 1, 2015
"secede every Thursday until further notice" is pretty good though.
posted by vibratory manner of working at 9:48 AM on September 1, 2015 [3 favorites]
posted by vibratory manner of working at 9:48 AM on September 1, 2015 [3 favorites]
That pic Greg Nog linked to is full of WTFery.
The link goes to a hand-made sign which reads #upstatelivesmatter. Which is ironic (or just stupid, I guess) because upstate-dwelling Black New Yorkers are also getting murdered and abused by cops and the justice system as a whole, even while being economically exploited and having their lives arbitrarily immiserated by mass incarceration.
Everyone's life does matter. It's just a shame that so many White people only seem to care enough to say so when they're doing it to try to drown out Black voices.
posted by clockzero at 9:49 AM on September 1, 2015 [7 favorites]
The link goes to a hand-made sign which reads #upstatelivesmatter. Which is ironic (or just stupid, I guess) because upstate-dwelling Black New Yorkers are also getting murdered and abused by cops and the justice system as a whole, even while being economically exploited and having their lives arbitrarily immiserated by mass incarceration.
Everyone's life does matter. It's just a shame that so many White people only seem to care enough to say so when they're doing it to try to drown out Black voices.
posted by clockzero at 9:49 AM on September 1, 2015 [7 favorites]
Rhizome: Google harder; you can see the chemtrails crowd wearing them all the time at county/city meetings. (I ain't linking that shit.)
posted by entropicamericana at 9:53 AM on September 1, 2015 [1 favorite]
posted by entropicamericana at 9:53 AM on September 1, 2015 [1 favorite]
No.
Not going to make a joke here. You are not splitting a democratic state and making more GOP senators.
If you wonder why you never see these plans for Florida or Texas? There's a reason. This is all Yet Another Effort to make sure that the minority can continue to control enough of the government to make sure that the majority can't take the power away from them. Not one of these plans -- not one -- will ever do anything but make sure that the dominate White Christian party in this nation gets more Senators and Representatives than before.
That's why they're all for splitting New York, and California, and Washington, and Oregon, and even Illinois, but never Texas, or Florida, or the Carolinas, or Virginia, or any state where anybody but the GOP will make a gain.
You want to secede? Then try. But you don't get to leave andstay.
Thankfully, this will also never happen, thanks to the decades long effort by the GOP to make sure DC never gets a vote in the House, because it wouldn't be a Democratic vote. That means that *no state will ever pass*, and this threat is all a bunch of noise.
But really, the correct answer anybody propose this is to mace them. Not with the chemical, but with a medieval mace.
posted by eriko at 9:53 AM on September 1, 2015 [13 favorites]
Not going to make a joke here. You are not splitting a democratic state and making more GOP senators.
If you wonder why you never see these plans for Florida or Texas? There's a reason. This is all Yet Another Effort to make sure that the minority can continue to control enough of the government to make sure that the majority can't take the power away from them. Not one of these plans -- not one -- will ever do anything but make sure that the dominate White Christian party in this nation gets more Senators and Representatives than before.
That's why they're all for splitting New York, and California, and Washington, and Oregon, and even Illinois, but never Texas, or Florida, or the Carolinas, or Virginia, or any state where anybody but the GOP will make a gain.
You want to secede? Then try. But you don't get to leave andstay.
Thankfully, this will also never happen, thanks to the decades long effort by the GOP to make sure DC never gets a vote in the House, because it wouldn't be a Democratic vote. That means that *no state will ever pass*, and this threat is all a bunch of noise.
But really, the correct answer anybody propose this is to mace them. Not with the chemical, but with a medieval mace.
posted by eriko at 9:53 AM on September 1, 2015 [13 favorites]
As much as this looks like a bunch of teabaggers who can't do basic math (hint: NYC pays a chunk of "New Amsterdam's" bills.... without NYC, to get the same services their taxes will rise), I'm all in favor of it, if only because it might make it possible for us here in Northern Virginia to dump the rest of the state --- last time I looked, for every $1 NoVa pays in state taxes, we get back just 18.5 cents in state services: the other 81.5 cents goes to Richmond and the Southwest areas.
(A couple years ago, our lovely Republican-controlled state government, under the leadership of the charming Bob "I Am Not A Criminal" McDonnell, gave this entire region [Loudoun, Fairfax and Prince William counties, plus the cities of Alexandria and Arlington] a whopping six thousand dollars in the VDOT Transportation road repair budget for the following three years..... while spending $64 million on planning and design for a 'road to nowhere' down by Richmond that was never built. Why yes, NoVa does tend to vote Democratic. Not that that had anything to do with it, oh no.)
posted by easily confused at 10:03 AM on September 1, 2015 [4 favorites]
(A couple years ago, our lovely Republican-controlled state government, under the leadership of the charming Bob "I Am Not A Criminal" McDonnell, gave this entire region [Loudoun, Fairfax and Prince William counties, plus the cities of Alexandria and Arlington] a whopping six thousand dollars in the VDOT Transportation road repair budget for the following three years..... while spending $64 million on planning and design for a 'road to nowhere' down by Richmond that was never built. Why yes, NoVa does tend to vote Democratic. Not that that had anything to do with it, oh no.)
posted by easily confused at 10:03 AM on September 1, 2015 [4 favorites]
Just curious - of everyone who has posted in this thread so far, how many of you live in non-NYC New York state?
posted by Lucinda at 10:09 AM on September 1, 2015 [1 favorite]
posted by Lucinda at 10:09 AM on September 1, 2015 [1 favorite]
Just curious - of everyone who has posted in this thread so far, how many of you live in non-NYC New York state?
Two years in Syracuse, two years in Newburgh (commuting to New Jersey for most of that). No actual time living in The City.
posted by Etrigan at 10:16 AM on September 1, 2015 [2 favorites]
Two years in Syracuse, two years in Newburgh (commuting to New Jersey for most of that). No actual time living in The City.
posted by Etrigan at 10:16 AM on September 1, 2015 [2 favorites]
I live in the proposed SoJ, so I feel qualified to speak about the self-defeating lunacy of secessionists.
posted by entropicamericana at 10:16 AM on September 1, 2015 [1 favorite]
posted by entropicamericana at 10:16 AM on September 1, 2015 [1 favorite]
I live in upstate NY, but in the gorgeous liberal hippy paradise college town of Ithaca. I fully endorse Eriko's suggestion above of macing these doofuses with a medieval mace.
We have many problems, but secession is going to make all of the worst ones much worse.
And really, #upstatelivesmatter? Shame on you.
posted by RedOrGreen at 10:17 AM on September 1, 2015 [6 favorites]
We have many problems, but secession is going to make all of the worst ones much worse.
And really, #upstatelivesmatter? Shame on you.
posted by RedOrGreen at 10:17 AM on September 1, 2015 [6 favorites]
I've lived upstate and in the city, and my take is that a lot of the supposed animosity is ginned-up bullshit. "A few hundred people" in the state of New York is a rounding error.
last time I looked, for every $1 NoVa pays in state taxes, we get back just 18.5 cents in state services
I'd take a look at how much NoVa pays in Federal taxes vs. how much goes back into its economy before you start pulling that thread
posted by phooky at 10:20 AM on September 1, 2015 [3 favorites]
last time I looked, for every $1 NoVa pays in state taxes, we get back just 18.5 cents in state services
I'd take a look at how much NoVa pays in Federal taxes vs. how much goes back into its economy before you start pulling that thread
posted by phooky at 10:20 AM on September 1, 2015 [3 favorites]
It strikes me as a win-win for majorities in both places.
The suburbs and upstate no longer have to deal with budgetary mandates and programs imposed upon them by NYC legislators (which could solve a lot of the tax shortfall right there), or with regulations that are suited to life in NYC but don't make as much sense upstate.
NYC no longer has to ask the permission of Republican State Senators (only one of whom, IIRC, represents an NYC district) for state policies that affect NYC or run the risk of an upstate-type Republican, or even an upstate-friendly Governor like Cuomo, having influence, either. They get to keep their taxes. Running a unified state-city government would be highly cost-efficient (NYC already has only courts and prosecutors operating at the county/borough level).
The big losers of this, ironically, are not the majorities, but the minorities. Poor cities and bleeding-heart liberal rich suburbs and college towns wouldn't be happy with an Albany with the political demographics of North Carolina. NYC businesses, property owners and well-off people would fear being strangled by the taxes and regulations that NYC with no leavening by upstate political realities.
posted by MattD at 10:21 AM on September 1, 2015 [1 favorite]
The suburbs and upstate no longer have to deal with budgetary mandates and programs imposed upon them by NYC legislators (which could solve a lot of the tax shortfall right there), or with regulations that are suited to life in NYC but don't make as much sense upstate.
NYC no longer has to ask the permission of Republican State Senators (only one of whom, IIRC, represents an NYC district) for state policies that affect NYC or run the risk of an upstate-type Republican, or even an upstate-friendly Governor like Cuomo, having influence, either. They get to keep their taxes. Running a unified state-city government would be highly cost-efficient (NYC already has only courts and prosecutors operating at the county/borough level).
The big losers of this, ironically, are not the majorities, but the minorities. Poor cities and bleeding-heart liberal rich suburbs and college towns wouldn't be happy with an Albany with the political demographics of North Carolina. NYC businesses, property owners and well-off people would fear being strangled by the taxes and regulations that NYC with no leavening by upstate political realities.
posted by MattD at 10:21 AM on September 1, 2015 [1 favorite]
"A few hundred people" in the state of New York is a rounding error.
The change.org petition has 3,415 supporters. The comments are pretty entertaining.
posted by effbot at 10:25 AM on September 1, 2015
The change.org petition has 3,415 supporters. The comments are pretty entertaining.
posted by effbot at 10:25 AM on September 1, 2015
It is an ongoing urban legend among conservative up staters that upstate subsidizes NYC, when in fact it is the other way around. And yet those who believe that NYC is a money sink rather than the source of NY State's wealth can't possibly be convinced that it is otherwise.
The problem though is that while downstate is thriving and growing, upstate is declining in population (NY's population has been static overall, and we have just been beaten out by Florida. Oh, the indignity). The other issue is that NYC has to ask permission from Albany to do anything, and the most effective way to get change in NYC is to lobby for laws that affect NY statewide, which isn't always useful.
(Disclosure: born in Buffalo, but family was from the NY metro area, and I live in NYC)
posted by deanc at 10:27 AM on September 1, 2015 [3 favorites]
The problem though is that while downstate is thriving and growing, upstate is declining in population (NY's population has been static overall, and we have just been beaten out by Florida. Oh, the indignity). The other issue is that NYC has to ask permission from Albany to do anything, and the most effective way to get change in NYC is to lobby for laws that affect NY statewide, which isn't always useful.
(Disclosure: born in Buffalo, but family was from the NY metro area, and I live in NYC)
posted by deanc at 10:27 AM on September 1, 2015 [3 favorites]
We recently drove from Colorado to upstate New York. We saw more Confederate flags around the Finger Lakes than at any other point on the trip, including one on a bumper sticker bearing the slogan Fighting Marxism Since 1861.
posted by Rat Spatula at 10:27 AM on September 1, 2015 [2 favorites]
posted by Rat Spatula at 10:27 AM on September 1, 2015 [2 favorites]
No.
Not going to make a joke here. You are not splitting a democratic state and making more GOP senators.
eriko
Maybe we could allow it on the condition of the simultaneous creation of a Democrat-leaning new state somewhere else.
posted by Sangermaine at 10:27 AM on September 1, 2015 [1 favorite]
Not going to make a joke here. You are not splitting a democratic state and making more GOP senators.
eriko
Maybe we could allow it on the condition of the simultaneous creation of a Democrat-leaning new state somewhere else.
posted by Sangermaine at 10:27 AM on September 1, 2015 [1 favorite]
I grew up in Western New York* and yeah it sucks having all the attention and power directed to NYC, and it sucks having NYC-ers mention their tax dollars as a reason why your opinions do not matter, but ugggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhh, secession would be a million times worse than having a few relatively minor things suck. These people should be ashamed.
* for reference: as a whole, WNY is not as liberal as NYC and not nearly as conservative as what's in between
posted by everybody had matching towels at 10:35 AM on September 1, 2015 [1 favorite]
* for reference: as a whole, WNY is not as liberal as NYC and not nearly as conservative as what's in between
posted by everybody had matching towels at 10:35 AM on September 1, 2015 [1 favorite]
easily confused, I'm from Southwest Virginia, where twenty-five or so years ago one of my middle school teachers spearheaded a lawsuit that ensured public school per-student funding would be equal throughout the state. Not that it mattered, because globalization meant massive layoffs for the hometown industries, so ten years later there was no population for the local schools, let alone a tax base. Is that a win for Fairfax County?
NoVa may not get back its share of state money, but it sure as hell gets a lot of out-of-state, federal and lobbyist money. If you're arguing that the political majority in NoVa should gerrymander the region into independence so as to abandon the poverty-stricken, undereducated, working-class Southwest... maybe my Democratic party is not for you.
posted by infinitewindow at 10:37 AM on September 1, 2015 [5 favorites]
NoVa may not get back its share of state money, but it sure as hell gets a lot of out-of-state, federal and lobbyist money. If you're arguing that the political majority in NoVa should gerrymander the region into independence so as to abandon the poverty-stricken, undereducated, working-class Southwest... maybe my Democratic party is not for you.
posted by infinitewindow at 10:37 AM on September 1, 2015 [5 favorites]
"Upstate Secession" is by far Bruno Mars' worst song.
It's also a pretty weird Shane Carruth movie.
posted by George_Spiggott at 10:37 AM on September 1, 2015 [1 favorite]
It's also a pretty weird Shane Carruth movie.
posted by George_Spiggott at 10:37 AM on September 1, 2015 [1 favorite]
Hey so let's get started on that wall then.
Please start at the NY/Ontario border.
posted by chococat at 10:40 AM on September 1, 2015
Please start at the NY/Ontario border.
posted by chococat at 10:40 AM on September 1, 2015
The beaver illustration is delightfully weird.
"Ward? Is something wrong with the Beaver?"
posted by octobersurprise at 10:42 AM on September 1, 2015
"Ward? Is something wrong with the Beaver?"
posted by octobersurprise at 10:42 AM on September 1, 2015
Lucinda: "Just curious - of everyone who has posted in this thread so far, how many of you live in non-NYC New York state?"
I have lived in NYC, in Westchester County (currently) and have a camp in the ADK about 5 hours north and a little west of NYC. I have in-laws in Buffalo.
This "movement" is mental masturbation and a way to get Mario Jr to allocate some more taxe monies to their depressed counties.
posted by AugustWest at 10:42 AM on September 1, 2015
I have lived in NYC, in Westchester County (currently) and have a camp in the ADK about 5 hours north and a little west of NYC. I have in-laws in Buffalo.
This "movement" is mental masturbation and a way to get Mario Jr to allocate some more taxe monies to their depressed counties.
posted by AugustWest at 10:42 AM on September 1, 2015
Maybe we could allow it on the condition of the simultaneous creation of a Democrat-leaning new state somewhere else.
Carve out a chunk of Texas, just west of I-35 from Laredo, including San Antonio, on up to just past Austin, skirt around the north of the city proper, being sure to leave out Round Rock & Georgetown, then back down to the coast, just east of Brownsville. Call it Tejas.
posted by Devils Rancher at 10:42 AM on September 1, 2015 [3 favorites]
Carve out a chunk of Texas, just west of I-35 from Laredo, including San Antonio, on up to just past Austin, skirt around the north of the city proper, being sure to leave out Round Rock & Georgetown, then back down to the coast, just east of Brownsville. Call it Tejas.
posted by Devils Rancher at 10:42 AM on September 1, 2015 [3 favorites]
Lucinda: Just curious - of everyone who has posted in this thread so far, how many of you live in non-NYC New York state?
I don't, but like I said earlier, my parents do, and as an only child, I'll own property there some day. I also have 40-some family members who live there, and I'd like to be able to continue visiting them, which gives me a strong interest in not having it devolve into Somalia.
posted by tonycpsu at 10:46 AM on September 1, 2015 [1 favorite]
I don't, but like I said earlier, my parents do, and as an only child, I'll own property there some day. I also have 40-some family members who live there, and I'd like to be able to continue visiting them, which gives me a strong interest in not having it devolve into Somalia.
posted by tonycpsu at 10:46 AM on September 1, 2015 [1 favorite]
how many of you live in non-NYC New York state?
I've lived in either Western or Central New York State all my life. When I was a kid listening to my father's line of codswallop about secession, the only other times he ever mentioned New York City was to warn me that it was a big horrible dirty place I should never ever go if I could help it or if I valued my life. I figured out pretty early what a load of kookery it was, and enjoy going downstate whenever I can.
(I think the only time he ever spent in NYC himself was a stopover on the way to Parris Island back in the 60's.)
posted by The Underpants Monster at 10:46 AM on September 1, 2015 [2 favorites]
I've lived in either Western or Central New York State all my life. When I was a kid listening to my father's line of codswallop about secession, the only other times he ever mentioned New York City was to warn me that it was a big horrible dirty place I should never ever go if I could help it or if I valued my life. I figured out pretty early what a load of kookery it was, and enjoy going downstate whenever I can.
(I think the only time he ever spent in NYC himself was a stopover on the way to Parris Island back in the 60's.)
posted by The Underpants Monster at 10:46 AM on September 1, 2015 [2 favorites]
Maybe we could allow it on the condition of the simultaneous creation of a Democrat-leaning new state somewhere else.
Sure - you could name the compromise after one of the new states! It worked great last time - right, Missouri?
posted by nickmark at 10:47 AM on September 1, 2015 [1 favorite]
Sure - you could name the compromise after one of the new states! It worked great last time - right, Missouri?
posted by nickmark at 10:47 AM on September 1, 2015 [1 favorite]
Ok but what happens when the oceans rise enough that NYC has to move inland?
posted by emjaybee at 11:01 AM on September 1, 2015 [1 favorite]
posted by emjaybee at 11:01 AM on September 1, 2015 [1 favorite]
Hey so let's get started on that wall then.
Please start at the NY/Ontario border.
I must confess I often feel this way when the upstate NY tourists throng the pretty little downtown we got going where I live. (It wouldn't be so bad if they were more polite.)
posted by Kitteh at 11:03 AM on September 1, 2015 [3 favorites]
Please start at the NY/Ontario border.
I must confess I often feel this way when the upstate NY tourists throng the pretty little downtown we got going where I live. (It wouldn't be so bad if they were more polite.)
posted by Kitteh at 11:03 AM on September 1, 2015 [3 favorites]
Ok but what happens when the oceans rise enough that NYC has to move inland?
Considering how my friends nod along in agreement when I say that I'd rather be exiled to Elba than move to Queens I'm relatively sure we're all just going to drown here.
posted by griphus at 11:03 AM on September 1, 2015 [8 favorites]
Considering how my friends nod along in agreement when I say that I'd rather be exiled to Elba than move to Queens I'm relatively sure we're all just going to drown here.
posted by griphus at 11:03 AM on September 1, 2015 [8 favorites]
we re-christian it New Venice and work on our masquerade balls
posted by The Whelk at 11:04 AM on September 1, 2015 [8 favorites]
posted by The Whelk at 11:04 AM on September 1, 2015 [8 favorites]
You have to grow gills and eat raw seafood for every meal, but it still beats owning a car.
posted by griphus at 11:06 AM on September 1, 2015 [15 favorites]
posted by griphus at 11:06 AM on September 1, 2015 [15 favorites]
Stop tax subsidies to sinister city of mermen
posted by The Whelk at 11:08 AM on September 1, 2015 [12 favorites]
posted by The Whelk at 11:08 AM on September 1, 2015 [12 favorites]
I'm staying on W95th street right now which is basically upstate
Why are the sidewalks so wide why must you encourage people to walk 15 abreast
posted by poffin boffin at 11:09 AM on September 1, 2015 [2 favorites]
Why are the sidewalks so wide why must you encourage people to walk 15 abreast
posted by poffin boffin at 11:09 AM on September 1, 2015 [2 favorites]
Queens might as well be the channel islands
posted by poffin boffin at 11:10 AM on September 1, 2015
posted by poffin boffin at 11:10 AM on September 1, 2015
Came for a pic of fat, middle-age white guys with graying facial hair, looking angry. Was not disappointed. Bonus: Dude was wearing an American flag polo shirt.
posted by Thorzdad at 11:10 AM on September 1, 2015 [3 favorites]
posted by Thorzdad at 11:10 AM on September 1, 2015 [3 favorites]
Wait - downstate wants to secede, too. If I was the type to make such a joke, I'd make a joke about what's left in the middle renaming itself Lucky Pierre.
posted by lagomorphius at 11:13 AM on September 1, 2015 [1 favorite]
posted by lagomorphius at 11:13 AM on September 1, 2015 [1 favorite]
Why are the sidewalks so wide why must you encourage people to walk 15 abreast
why are there so many children allowed to run free and no decent delivery options this is like living in the woods
posted by The Whelk at 11:14 AM on September 1, 2015 [2 favorites]
I had to go to a dagostinos, why not just hunt my own food in the woods somewhere
posted by poffin boffin at 11:16 AM on September 1, 2015 [6 favorites]
posted by poffin boffin at 11:16 AM on September 1, 2015 [6 favorites]
The funniest part, to me, is that they're proposing to rename upstate NY "New Amsterdam," despite that being the former name of the City.
Why they changed it, I can't say...(come on, I can't have been the first to have thought of that song.)
Always lived in NYC here, but I make frequent trips upstate, and I have friends who split time between here and the Catskills. I do understand how people upstate can feel shafted by the attention and focus given to NYC. On the other hand, though, this kinda strikes me as an "enough rope" situation, where the schadenfreude of watching things all go to pot if they do secede would be really entertaining.
Also, I vaguely remember that Staten Island voted to secede from New York City itself about 10-15 years ago, and then absolutely nothing came of that since.
Funny tangent - my friends who live part-time upstate are two enormous liberals living in a Republican small town. During the 2008 election, I amused myself once while walking down the street to their house when I suddenly noticed the parade of campaign signs on everyone's lawns -
McCain/Palin
McCain/Palin
McCain/Palin
VOTE GREEN!
McCain/Palin
McCain/Palin...
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 11:37 AM on September 1, 2015 [4 favorites]
Why they changed it, I can't say...(come on, I can't have been the first to have thought of that song.)
Always lived in NYC here, but I make frequent trips upstate, and I have friends who split time between here and the Catskills. I do understand how people upstate can feel shafted by the attention and focus given to NYC. On the other hand, though, this kinda strikes me as an "enough rope" situation, where the schadenfreude of watching things all go to pot if they do secede would be really entertaining.
Also, I vaguely remember that Staten Island voted to secede from New York City itself about 10-15 years ago, and then absolutely nothing came of that since.
Funny tangent - my friends who live part-time upstate are two enormous liberals living in a Republican small town. During the 2008 election, I amused myself once while walking down the street to their house when I suddenly noticed the parade of campaign signs on everyone's lawns -
McCain/Palin
McCain/Palin
McCain/Palin
VOTE GREEN!
McCain/Palin
McCain/Palin...
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 11:37 AM on September 1, 2015 [4 favorites]
Sure - you could name the compromise after one of the new states! It worked great last time - right, Missouri?
The Missouri Compromise worked out quite well, and helped postpone the Civil War for decades. It was actually the repeal of the provisions of the Compromise forbidding slavery in the northern part of the former Louisiana Territory that led Lincoln to get back into politics in 1854, having left to again practice law in 1849.
And if the racists and theocrats want another try at rebellion sometime in the future, well, we've learned from last time that you have to burn out all of the disease, not let it fester.
posted by Sangermaine at 11:42 AM on September 1, 2015 [2 favorites]
The Missouri Compromise worked out quite well, and helped postpone the Civil War for decades. It was actually the repeal of the provisions of the Compromise forbidding slavery in the northern part of the former Louisiana Territory that led Lincoln to get back into politics in 1854, having left to again practice law in 1849.
And if the racists and theocrats want another try at rebellion sometime in the future, well, we've learned from last time that you have to burn out all of the disease, not let it fester.
posted by Sangermaine at 11:42 AM on September 1, 2015 [2 favorites]
The funniest part, to me, is that they're proposing to rename upstate NY "New Amsterdam," despite that being the former name of the City.
It also makes you wonder how much they know about actual Amsterdam.
Maybe they should call it Nieuw Drenthe, after a relatively unpopulous northern landlocked province of the Netherlands. Also I've met people from relatively rural Netherlands and they can be astonishingly teabaggy in their politics.
posted by George_Spiggott at 11:48 AM on September 1, 2015 [4 favorites]
It also makes you wonder how much they know about actual Amsterdam.
Maybe they should call it Nieuw Drenthe, after a relatively unpopulous northern landlocked province of the Netherlands. Also I've met people from relatively rural Netherlands and they can be astonishingly teabaggy in their politics.
posted by George_Spiggott at 11:48 AM on September 1, 2015 [4 favorites]
New Amsterdam has become much too much.
posted by Joey Michaels at 12:18 PM on September 1, 2015 [2 favorites]
posted by Joey Michaels at 12:18 PM on September 1, 2015 [2 favorites]
Maybe they should call it Nieuw Drenthe, after a relatively unpopulous northern landlocked province of the Netherlands.
I think a lot of upstate New York, being between New France and New Netherland, was once known as New Belgium? It is sort of Belgiummy, what with the there's-canals-but-not-like-an-Amsterdammy-amount-of-canals thing they've got going, plus a similar amount of shits are given.
posted by Sys Rq at 12:21 PM on September 1, 2015
I think a lot of upstate New York, being between New France and New Netherland, was once known as New Belgium? It is sort of Belgiummy, what with the there's-canals-but-not-like-an-Amsterdammy-amount-of-canals thing they've got going, plus a similar amount of shits are given.
posted by Sys Rq at 12:21 PM on September 1, 2015
If you wonder why you never see these plans for Florida or Texas?
Oh ye of little imagination! Seek and find.
I'm all in favor of it, if only because it might make it possible for us here in Northern Virginia to dump the rest of the state.
Right on! And then gentrify the remaining poor out of NoVa and DC!
which gives me a strong interest in not having it devolve into Somalia.
Ummmm.
I know working class families in this part of the world, they really do care about state gun laws, both because the three part time jobs don't cover the costs so they need to pot that deer for winter food and to discourage critters. The complaints I hear are on the difficulty in buying ammunition at Walmart. Same people who on principle would rather not be recipients of government aid, state or federal, thank you very much. As a matter of fair play, you can get a better idea of what they are on about if you go directly to the sources for themselves rather than relying on unflattering pictures and a few journo quotes.
the racists and theocrats
Not that it comes up in the articles or in their writings, but Bainbridge is pretty much non-religious. And the only race talk has come in these comments.
For the record, I don't live there, it's none of my business, I take no stand. But if they can pull it off, hey, that's politics. We have, I hope, long since progressed past the point of getting our way by use of the mace.
posted by IndigoJones at 12:21 PM on September 1, 2015 [2 favorites]
Oh ye of little imagination! Seek and find.
I'm all in favor of it, if only because it might make it possible for us here in Northern Virginia to dump the rest of the state.
Right on! And then gentrify the remaining poor out of NoVa and DC!
which gives me a strong interest in not having it devolve into Somalia.
Ummmm.
I know working class families in this part of the world, they really do care about state gun laws, both because the three part time jobs don't cover the costs so they need to pot that deer for winter food and to discourage critters. The complaints I hear are on the difficulty in buying ammunition at Walmart. Same people who on principle would rather not be recipients of government aid, state or federal, thank you very much. As a matter of fair play, you can get a better idea of what they are on about if you go directly to the sources for themselves rather than relying on unflattering pictures and a few journo quotes.
the racists and theocrats
Not that it comes up in the articles or in their writings, but Bainbridge is pretty much non-religious. And the only race talk has come in these comments.
For the record, I don't live there, it's none of my business, I take no stand. But if they can pull it off, hey, that's politics. We have, I hope, long since progressed past the point of getting our way by use of the mace.
posted by IndigoJones at 12:21 PM on September 1, 2015 [2 favorites]
I live most of the year in the Southern Tier of New York, the part of Upstate that includes Binghamton.
It is poor, and thinly settled in many areas. When I drive to Albany or NYC, there are portions of interstate where you don't see anything to speak of for many miles; trees and such, of course. We have some hard winters.
There are race and class (anti-NYC) resentments that are symptomatic of an ongoing collapse of security among the long-established populations. They are replaying some very negative programming in their heads, and I suppose they mostly talk to one another. It is not an analytical, but rather reactionary, situation.
Specific topic that keep them agitated:
Black folks and immigrants.
I talk to people all the time who act like black people are all criminals. Good Lord don't read the comments in the online section of the paper. White panic, in short.
Pro-gun / anti gun control.
The NYSAFE act (mild handgun regulation) is opposed. Local authorities are on record saying they don't plan to lift a finger to enforce it. Bad Cuomo!
Pro-fracking
This one really pisses people off, and it is sad and fascinating. I live a few minutes from the PA border, where fracking had a little boom that has largely drained away. Let me tell you, it looks like hell over there. But folks over here wanted a payoff, a piece of the pie, a shot at selling out, some glimmer of hope. They talked themselves into visions of splendor, and it was all snatched way, again by that devil Cuomo.
Honestly, I pin a lot of my hope for the area on the immigrants and migrants. They bring hope and young families, and a lot of will to get things done.
posted by Glomar response at 12:45 PM on September 1, 2015 [11 favorites]
It is poor, and thinly settled in many areas. When I drive to Albany or NYC, there are portions of interstate where you don't see anything to speak of for many miles; trees and such, of course. We have some hard winters.
There are race and class (anti-NYC) resentments that are symptomatic of an ongoing collapse of security among the long-established populations. They are replaying some very negative programming in their heads, and I suppose they mostly talk to one another. It is not an analytical, but rather reactionary, situation.
Specific topic that keep them agitated:
Black folks and immigrants.
I talk to people all the time who act like black people are all criminals. Good Lord don't read the comments in the online section of the paper. White panic, in short.
Pro-gun / anti gun control.
The NYSAFE act (mild handgun regulation) is opposed. Local authorities are on record saying they don't plan to lift a finger to enforce it. Bad Cuomo!
Pro-fracking
This one really pisses people off, and it is sad and fascinating. I live a few minutes from the PA border, where fracking had a little boom that has largely drained away. Let me tell you, it looks like hell over there. But folks over here wanted a payoff, a piece of the pie, a shot at selling out, some glimmer of hope. They talked themselves into visions of splendor, and it was all snatched way, again by that devil Cuomo.
Honestly, I pin a lot of my hope for the area on the immigrants and migrants. They bring hope and young families, and a lot of will to get things done.
posted by Glomar response at 12:45 PM on September 1, 2015 [11 favorites]
I went to school in Plattsburgh and heard this talk nearly twenty years ago too. I echo tonycpsu's comment amount cutting off the life support of a vast swath of NY State.
Most people think of upstate NY as Westchester, but there is huge economic desolation in the north country and parts west. I'd have to think that the Governors ban on fracking would have something to do with this revival. If you have practically no jobs or industry to speak of anymore, oil and gas sounds like a magic salve that the nanny-pamby downstate liberals are starving you from.
posted by dr_dank at 12:50 PM on September 1, 2015 [1 favorite]
Most people think of upstate NY as Westchester, but there is huge economic desolation in the north country and parts west. I'd have to think that the Governors ban on fracking would have something to do with this revival. If you have practically no jobs or industry to speak of anymore, oil and gas sounds like a magic salve that the nanny-pamby downstate liberals are starving you from.
posted by dr_dank at 12:50 PM on September 1, 2015 [1 favorite]
Sure, one may get a teeny bit eye-rolly when you leave the state, somebody asks where you're from, you reply, "New York," and they assume you mean New York City. But hey, if that's the most awkward thing you have to deal with on your out of state trip, then you're doing okay, man.
posted by The Underpants Monster at 1:16 PM on September 1, 2015 [2 favorites]
posted by The Underpants Monster at 1:16 PM on September 1, 2015 [2 favorites]
I am a little surprised they didn't hold this rally in the town of Whitesboro, which, aside from having such a sonorous and awful name, also has what is perhaps the most poignantly offensive town seal in the United States.
posted by koeselitz at 1:52 PM on September 1, 2015 [2 favorites]
posted by koeselitz at 1:52 PM on September 1, 2015 [2 favorites]
maybe they can be sister cities with Matajudios in span
posted by poffin boffin at 2:00 PM on September 1, 2015 [1 favorite]
posted by poffin boffin at 2:00 PM on September 1, 2015 [1 favorite]
The Missouri Compromise worked out quite well, and helped postpone the Civil War for decades.
Might want to recalibrate your "quite well" meter to include the slaves.
posted by Etrigan at 2:03 PM on September 1, 2015 [3 favorites]
Might want to recalibrate your "quite well" meter to include the slaves.
posted by Etrigan at 2:03 PM on September 1, 2015 [3 favorites]
You can't fool me, that's the Pawnee seal! Right? RIGHT?!
posted by entropicamericana at 2:17 PM on September 1, 2015 [2 favorites]
posted by entropicamericana at 2:17 PM on September 1, 2015 [2 favorites]
We recently drove from Colorado to upstate New York. We saw more Confederate flags around the Finger Lakes than at any other point on the trip, including one on a bumper sticker bearing the slogan Fighting Marxism Since 1861.
Must commend the author of the bumper sticker for knowing that Karl Marx was an admirer of Abraham Lincoln.
posted by ocschwar at 2:27 PM on September 1, 2015 [5 favorites]
Must commend the author of the bumper sticker for knowing that Karl Marx was an admirer of Abraham Lincoln.
posted by ocschwar at 2:27 PM on September 1, 2015 [5 favorites]
IndigoJones: which gives me a strong interest in not having it devolve into Somalia.
Ummmm.
If this is a "gotcha" attempt, try harder. I cited Somalia as a hyperbolic example of lawlessness, not anything to do with refugees.
I know working class families in this part of the world
So do I. They're my family.
Same people who on principle would rather not be recipients of government aid, state or federal, thank you very much
Yeah, they'll speak out against them until they need them, and maybe even while they draw the benefits. Of course we know that a higher percentage of people in rural areas who are eligible for food stamps take them than in urban areas. Maybe the folks you talk to are the real principled ones, but as a rule, political attitudes toward aid correlate with a willingness to accept that aid in the opposite way one might expect given their rhetoric.
posted by tonycpsu at 3:12 PM on September 1, 2015 [7 favorites]
Ummmm.
If this is a "gotcha" attempt, try harder. I cited Somalia as a hyperbolic example of lawlessness, not anything to do with refugees.
I know working class families in this part of the world
So do I. They're my family.
Same people who on principle would rather not be recipients of government aid, state or federal, thank you very much
Yeah, they'll speak out against them until they need them, and maybe even while they draw the benefits. Of course we know that a higher percentage of people in rural areas who are eligible for food stamps take them than in urban areas. Maybe the folks you talk to are the real principled ones, but as a rule, political attitudes toward aid correlate with a willingness to accept that aid in the opposite way one might expect given their rhetoric.
posted by tonycpsu at 3:12 PM on September 1, 2015 [7 favorites]
The NYSAFE act (mild handgun regulation) is opposed.
Characterizing the NY SAFE Act as "mild" or limited to handguns does not seem accurate.
The now-struck down part where 10-round capacity magazines were legal but it was illegal to load more than 7 rounds into them seemed like a real "Screw you" to gun owners in particular.
posted by dragoon at 3:16 PM on September 1, 2015 [1 favorite]
Characterizing the NY SAFE Act as "mild" or limited to handguns does not seem accurate.
The now-struck down part where 10-round capacity magazines were legal but it was illegal to load more than 7 rounds into them seemed like a real "Screw you" to gun owners in particular.
posted by dragoon at 3:16 PM on September 1, 2015 [1 favorite]
I know working class families in this part of the world, they really do care about state gun laws, both because the three part time jobs don't cover the costs so they need to pot that deer for winter food and to discourage critters. The complaints I hear are on the difficulty in buying ammunition at Walmart.
These families sound just like my grandparents and great-grandparents who managed to put deer on the table every year with a shotgun or hunting rifle and discourage critters with a .22. No one starves if they can't buy a handgun right now and with a foot long magazine, didn't have a AK or AR knockoff or buy ammo by the metric ton. Worst rationalization to oppose gun control I've heard in a long time.
posted by kjs3 at 3:19 PM on September 1, 2015 [7 favorites]
These families sound just like my grandparents and great-grandparents who managed to put deer on the table every year with a shotgun or hunting rifle and discourage critters with a .22. No one starves if they can't buy a handgun right now and with a foot long magazine, didn't have a AK or AR knockoff or buy ammo by the metric ton. Worst rationalization to oppose gun control I've heard in a long time.
posted by kjs3 at 3:19 PM on September 1, 2015 [7 favorites]
I'm originally from near that town. There's a fair deal of anti-NYC sentiment due to watershed laws. The county due east of Chenango is basically NYC's watering hole and there are extremely restrictive building laws in the area to protect the water supply.
That said I'm all for them, it's kept the area pristine and far more rural than it has the right to be.
posted by Ferreous at 3:51 PM on September 1, 2015 [1 favorite]
That said I'm all for them, it's kept the area pristine and far more rural than it has the right to be.
posted by Ferreous at 3:51 PM on September 1, 2015 [1 favorite]
"And the only race talk has come in these comments."
I guess you missed the disturbing #upstatelivesmatter thing. There were racial undertones prior to this thread.
posted by Tehhund at 4:32 PM on September 1, 2015 [4 favorites]
I guess you missed the disturbing #upstatelivesmatter thing. There were racial undertones prior to this thread.
posted by Tehhund at 4:32 PM on September 1, 2015 [4 favorites]
Yeah, they'll speak out against them until they need them, and maybe even while they draw the benefits. Of course we know that a higher percentage of people in rural areas who are eligible for food stamps take them than in urban areas. Maybe the folks you talk to are the real principled ones, but as a rule, political attitudes toward aid correlate with a willingness to accept that aid in the opposite way one might expect given their rhetoric.
I feel like this is an attitude I should speak out against. It's wrong to stigmatize aid. If you need it, take it, just like you'd offer your neighbor help if they truly needed it. These kinds of arguments end up making people disavow the very things they believe in. It's right for people, collectively, to help those who are unemployed or in need. Government is one way we choose to organize collective actions we believe are worthwhile and beneficial to society as a whole.
posted by newdaddy at 5:40 PM on September 1, 2015 [1 favorite]
I feel like this is an attitude I should speak out against. It's wrong to stigmatize aid. If you need it, take it, just like you'd offer your neighbor help if they truly needed it. These kinds of arguments end up making people disavow the very things they believe in. It's right for people, collectively, to help those who are unemployed or in need. Government is one way we choose to organize collective actions we believe are worthwhile and beneficial to society as a whole.
posted by newdaddy at 5:40 PM on September 1, 2015 [1 favorite]
>> ... As a rule, political attitudes toward aid correlate with a willingness to accept that aid in the opposite way one might expect given their rhetoric.
> I feel like this is an attitude I should speak out against. It's wrong to stigmatize aid.
Maybe something got lost in translation here, but the comment you're responding to is only calling out the hypocrisy of people who feel entitled to food stamps and unemployment benefits for themselves (as they should!) while opposing "government handouts" for those other freeloaders. That's the kind of thinking that produces those "Keep your government hands off of my Medicare" signs.
posted by RedOrGreen at 5:50 PM on September 1, 2015 [5 favorites]
> I feel like this is an attitude I should speak out against. It's wrong to stigmatize aid.
Maybe something got lost in translation here, but the comment you're responding to is only calling out the hypocrisy of people who feel entitled to food stamps and unemployment benefits for themselves (as they should!) while opposing "government handouts" for those other freeloaders. That's the kind of thinking that produces those "Keep your government hands off of my Medicare" signs.
posted by RedOrGreen at 5:50 PM on September 1, 2015 [5 favorites]
Yeah, what RedOrGreen said. I want the percentages of eligible people receiving food stamps to be 100% everywhere, and I also want the denominator to be much higher than it is now. The same can't be said for the folks living in these areas, including many of my relations, who seem to want to end government handouts only to the undeserving, where they're of course deserving when they end up in a position where they need to avail themselves of the benefits.
posted by tonycpsu at 6:17 PM on September 1, 2015 [1 favorite]
posted by tonycpsu at 6:17 PM on September 1, 2015 [1 favorite]
As a city dweller who sometimes thinks we live in the last remaining sane place in the country, I would like to propose my alternate (dream) scenario. The four* boroughs secede from the United States, forming our own country. Like the Vatican.
*We'll give Staten Island to New Jersey as a parting gift.
posted by JaredSeth at 7:53 AM on September 2, 2015 [1 favorite]
*We'll give Staten Island to New Jersey as a parting gift.
posted by JaredSeth at 7:53 AM on September 2, 2015 [1 favorite]
I'd like to keep Staten Island, actually, if it were up to me; it's a place where you can do actual hiking and camping in the city. It also may soon be the only affordable borough for me to live in.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 7:55 AM on September 2, 2015 [1 favorite]
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 7:55 AM on September 2, 2015 [1 favorite]
it won't be any less affordable as part of new jersey though.
posted by poffin boffin at 9:35 AM on September 2, 2015
posted by poffin boffin at 9:35 AM on September 2, 2015
also i feel like you may not have heard of queens?
posted by poffin boffin at 9:35 AM on September 2, 2015
posted by poffin boffin at 9:35 AM on September 2, 2015
I'm big on annexation, absorb Hoboken into our ever growing form
posted by The Whelk at 9:35 AM on September 2, 2015
posted by The Whelk at 9:35 AM on September 2, 2015
I've found the most affordable part of New York is located in the midwest.
posted by shakespeherian at 9:38 AM on September 2, 2015
posted by shakespeherian at 9:38 AM on September 2, 2015
Nah even the East River is getting gentrified now.
posted by griphus at 10:04 AM on September 2, 2015
posted by griphus at 10:04 AM on September 2, 2015
Yeah I grew up near the bucolic corner of South Nine Thousand Nine Hundred Forty Seventh & Five Thousand Four Hundred Eightieth Ave.
posted by Monochrome at 10:08 AM on September 2, 2015 [2 favorites]
posted by Monochrome at 10:08 AM on September 2, 2015 [2 favorites]
I'm from Western New York, and while I know that secession isn't going to happen, I just wish that once before I die, one of those "What [fill in the blank] Represents Your State The Best?" lists would have a non-NYC-centric answer for the state.
posted by Lucinda at 8:44 PM on September 2, 2015 [1 favorite]
posted by Lucinda at 8:44 PM on September 2, 2015 [1 favorite]
Their ignorance is sort of funny insofar as they're basically saying "I'm tired of being dominated by NYC politics! We should be dominated and ignored by Buffalo, Rochester, and Albany instead!"
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 9:09 PM on September 2, 2015 [2 favorites]
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 9:09 PM on September 2, 2015 [2 favorites]
The funniest part, to me, is that they're proposing to rename upstate NY "New Amsterdam," despite that being the former name of the City.
why they changed it I can't say
posted by feckless fecal fear mongering at 12:13 AM on September 3, 2015 [1 favorite]
why they changed it I can't say
posted by feckless fecal fear mongering at 12:13 AM on September 3, 2015 [1 favorite]
People just liked it better that way.
posted by chococat at 12:19 AM on September 3, 2015 [1 favorite]
posted by chococat at 12:19 AM on September 3, 2015 [1 favorite]
I'm from Western New York, and ... I just wish that once before I die, one of those "What [fill in the blank] Represents Your State The Best?" lists would have a non-NYC-centric answer for the state.
Beef-on-Wick?
posted by octobersurprise at 8:21 AM on September 3, 2015 [1 favorite]
Beef-on-Wick?
posted by octobersurprise at 8:21 AM on September 3, 2015 [1 favorite]
also i feel like you may not have heard of queens?
Queens was just named the latest "it" destination for tourists. It won't be affordable by the time I need to move in a few years. I guarantee it.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 9:43 AM on September 3, 2015
Queens was just named the latest "it" destination for tourists. It won't be affordable by the time I need to move in a few years. I guarantee it.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 9:43 AM on September 3, 2015
oh god tourists in Queens
"hey you folks seem lost"
"yes we need to get to 240124-124250 256th Drive"
"Oh this here is 256th Circle. What you need to do is walk east past 256th Lane, 256th Terrace, 256th Street, His Holy Reverence The Grand Duke of Seville-on-Plymph Jr. Alley, 256th Blvd, Little 256th St, and then that'll be 256th Drive."
posted by griphus at 9:48 AM on September 3, 2015 [10 favorites]
"hey you folks seem lost"
"yes we need to get to 240124-124250 256th Drive"
"Oh this here is 256th Circle. What you need to do is walk east past 256th Lane, 256th Terrace, 256th Street, His Holy Reverence The Grand Duke of Seville-on-Plymph Jr. Alley, 256th Blvd, Little 256th St, and then that'll be 256th Drive."
posted by griphus at 9:48 AM on September 3, 2015 [10 favorites]
Hey, you can pry my beef on weck out of my cold dead hands, and I'm a f****** vegetarian.
posted by The Underpants Monster at 12:06 PM on September 3, 2015
posted by The Underpants Monster at 12:06 PM on September 3, 2015
Queens is a big borough. I can safely say that my neighborhood at the ass-end of the F Train, the one that I have to explain where it is to NATIVE New Yorkers, will remain cheap(-ish) and boring for another five years at least. Shit, we don't even have a Starbucks!
posted by SansPoint at 12:16 PM on September 3, 2015
posted by SansPoint at 12:16 PM on September 3, 2015
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