A fabulously gay Nyan Cat meteor
September 11, 2015 9:10 AM Subscribe
Chuck Wendig, author of the new Star Wars novel Aftermath, has told fans who have objected to his inclusion of a gay character that “You’re not the good guys ... You’re the shitty, oppressive, totalitarian Empire.”
[Chuck Wendig previously]
[Chuck Wendig previously]
Good on him.
posted by Artw at 9:18 AM on September 11, 2015 [2 favorites]
posted by Artw at 9:18 AM on September 11, 2015 [2 favorites]
A franchise in which planetcide is committed, torture is a fact of life, children are executed by a serial killer and Jar Jar Binks exists is suddenly no longer child friendly because "teh gay."
I fear it will take another 12 episodes to really root out the Empire.
posted by salishsea at 9:23 AM on September 11, 2015 [26 favorites]
I fear it will take another 12 episodes to really root out the Empire.
posted by salishsea at 9:23 AM on September 11, 2015 [26 favorites]
I agree with the critics, to be honest. The inclusion of a gay character has made this series no longer kid-friendly and I am appalled. I demand that the Star Wars universe be returned to the kid-friendliness it was always intended to have: constant maiming, cutting open pack animals to sleep in them and brief moments of sibling incest.
posted by griphus at 9:25 AM on September 11, 2015 [78 favorites]
posted by griphus at 9:25 AM on September 11, 2015 [78 favorites]
I read that as Chuck Tingle, author of the new Star Wars novel Aftermath.
Thanks, internet!
Has anyone read Aftermath? I've heard very mixed reviews. I have zero desire to read it, but I'd like to calibrate reality.
posted by Mezentian at 9:26 AM on September 11, 2015 [2 favorites]
Thanks, internet!
Has anyone read Aftermath? I've heard very mixed reviews. I have zero desire to read it, but I'd like to calibrate reality.
posted by Mezentian at 9:26 AM on September 11, 2015 [2 favorites]
I demand that the Star Wars universe be returned to the kid-friendliness it was always intended to have: constant maming, cutting open pack animals to sleep in them and brief moments of sibling incest.
Don't forget Vader force-choking Padme while she was pregnant. Family values all around!
posted by bile and syntax at 9:28 AM on September 11, 2015 [3 favorites]
Don't forget Vader force-choking Padme while she was pregnant. Family values all around!
posted by bile and syntax at 9:28 AM on September 11, 2015 [3 favorites]
Don't forget Vader force-choking Padme while she was pregnant.
He didn't know she was pregnant!
And he was stressed!
posted by Mezentian at 9:29 AM on September 11, 2015 [11 favorites]
He didn't know she was pregnant!
And he was stressed!
posted by Mezentian at 9:29 AM on September 11, 2015 [11 favorites]
I read that as Chuck Tingle, author of the new Star Wars novel Aftermath.
I'm not gonna lie, I'd read such potential classics as POUNDED IN THE BUTT BY MY OWN FULLY ARMED AND OPERATIONAL BATTLE STATION and HAUNTED, MY ASS IS BY YODA'S FORCE GHOST.
posted by sparkletone at 9:32 AM on September 11, 2015 [51 favorites]
I'm not gonna lie, I'd read such potential classics as POUNDED IN THE BUTT BY MY OWN FULLY ARMED AND OPERATIONAL BATTLE STATION and HAUNTED, MY ASS IS BY YODA'S FORCE GHOST.
posted by sparkletone at 9:32 AM on September 11, 2015 [51 favorites]
Has anyone read Aftermath? I've heard very mixed reviews. I have zero desire to read it, but I'd like to calibrate reality.
I've not read Aftermath, but I've read and enjoyed some of Wendig's other work. Knowing that he's the author makes it more likely that I'll read Aftermath, even before taking the, "suck it, homophobes," factor into account.
posted by Myca at 9:34 AM on September 11, 2015
I've not read Aftermath, but I've read and enjoyed some of Wendig's other work. Knowing that he's the author makes it more likely that I'll read Aftermath, even before taking the, "suck it, homophobes," factor into account.
posted by Myca at 9:34 AM on September 11, 2015
Well, I guess now you can.
Chuck can sense a tingle in the Force. Or vanity grep. And you know at least one of those titles is a thing that can happen without copyright issues.
posted by Mezentian at 9:34 AM on September 11, 2015
Chuck can sense a tingle in the Force. Or vanity grep. And you know at least one of those titles is a thing that can happen without copyright issues.
posted by Mezentian at 9:34 AM on September 11, 2015
Hey wait isn't the Empire the one with the good guys in those movies that prequeled the real Star Wars movies?
posted by chavenet at 9:40 AM on September 11, 2015
posted by chavenet at 9:40 AM on September 11, 2015
I work at a book store, and was recently asked to recommend a book for a "Star Wars fan". The person buying was already holding a book, but I suggested Aftermath because it was new (less chance the recipient already has it) and heavily discounted. I also tried to give a simple explanation about why this book counts in continuity terms (as opposed to the other book which fell under the Legends banner), figuring that is something a Star Wars fan might care about.
Only later did I learn that the buyer was looking for something to read to her seven-year old. And that she bought Aftermath on my recommendation.
posted by Gin and Comics at 9:41 AM on September 11, 2015 [11 favorites]
Only later did I learn that the buyer was looking for something to read to her seven-year old. And that she bought Aftermath on my recommendation.
posted by Gin and Comics at 9:41 AM on September 11, 2015 [11 favorites]
I'm not likely to read this book but holy hell do I love Chuck Wendig. If you're not super into Star Wars or you balk at novelizations (two sentiments I can sympathize with), give his blog a whirl, or read the Blackbirds series, which is being turned into a TV show on Starz I believe. Good, good stuff.
posted by palomar at 9:41 AM on September 11, 2015 [5 favorites]
posted by palomar at 9:41 AM on September 11, 2015 [5 favorites]
I won't show my ten year old SW III because I don't think he's ready for the violence in it - Anakin killing the kids; force choking Padme; the burning of Ani. And then there's just the general poor story on top of that; I do want him to grow up with some taste.
A gay character? That would be an improvement!
posted by nubs at 9:46 AM on September 11, 2015 [5 favorites]
A gay character? That would be an improvement!
posted by nubs at 9:46 AM on September 11, 2015 [5 favorites]
This is weird for me for other reasons. I mean, you have people from different species marrying and banging each other. I don't really understand why having somebody gay would be so shocking or even surprising. I just can't get my mind around it. Don't some of the species not even have genders or whatevers? People's objections are weird sometimes.
posted by I-baLL at 9:47 AM on September 11, 2015 [1 favorite]
posted by I-baLL at 9:47 AM on September 11, 2015 [1 favorite]
It's Yoda and Yaddle, not Yoda and Waddle!
posted by Atom Eyes at 9:47 AM on September 11, 2015 [16 favorites]
posted by Atom Eyes at 9:47 AM on September 11, 2015 [16 favorites]
I've read a lot of negative reviews of "Aftermath" and none of them mentioned a gay character. One they thing they all mentioned is that it's a shitty novel and Wendig should never have allowed to write in the Star Wars universe. Some of the choice review titles were: "Sad", Journey To Nowhere", "All hat no cattle" and "It's a trap!". So I'll definitely avoid this one but not because of a gay character.
posted by MikeMc at 9:48 AM on September 11, 2015 [1 favorite]
posted by MikeMc at 9:48 AM on September 11, 2015 [1 favorite]
Only later did I learn that the buyer was looking for something to read to her seven-year old. And that she bought Aftermath on my recommendation.
Have you heard the Gospel of the Hoojibs?
posted by Mezentian at 9:49 AM on September 11, 2015 [1 favorite]
Have you heard the Gospel of the Hoojibs?
posted by Mezentian at 9:49 AM on September 11, 2015 [1 favorite]
I'm not an expert but I now they've had gay characters before in the extended universe although not exactly a major one...
And then there was Ziro the Hutt
They should just put some paper in an spin-off novel and watch the hardcore fandom loose their collective minds.
posted by fearfulsymmetry at 10:00 AM on September 11, 2015 [2 favorites]
And then there was Ziro the Hutt
They should just put some paper in an spin-off novel and watch the hardcore fandom loose their collective minds.
posted by fearfulsymmetry at 10:00 AM on September 11, 2015 [2 favorites]
And then there was Ziro the Hutt
Some Hutts just embrace the stereotype.
Or, collectively, we pretend that didn't happen.
posted by Mezentian at 10:04 AM on September 11, 2015 [1 favorite]
Some Hutts just embrace the stereotype.
Or, collectively, we pretend that didn't happen.
posted by Mezentian at 10:04 AM on September 11, 2015 [1 favorite]
Has anyone read Aftermath? I've heard very mixed reviews. I have zero desire to read it, but I'd like to calibrate reality.
I tried reading it. I found the present-tense, casual writing style annoying. At times, I would have to stop and re-read sentences to make sure I understood them.
Combine the annoying writing style with the fact that the book focuses on a bunch of new characters that I care nothing about, and who supposedly aren't in the new movie, and I stopped about 1/3 of the way in. I returned the book.
Of course YMMV. I haven't read any of Wendig's other work, so I'm not sure if this is his general style or it was just this book.
posted by Fleebnork at 10:08 AM on September 11, 2015 [1 favorite]
I tried reading it. I found the present-tense, casual writing style annoying. At times, I would have to stop and re-read sentences to make sure I understood them.
Combine the annoying writing style with the fact that the book focuses on a bunch of new characters that I care nothing about, and who supposedly aren't in the new movie, and I stopped about 1/3 of the way in. I returned the book.
Of course YMMV. I haven't read any of Wendig's other work, so I'm not sure if this is his general style or it was just this book.
posted by Fleebnork at 10:08 AM on September 11, 2015 [1 favorite]
Has anyone read Aftermath? I've heard very mixed reviews. I have zero desire to read it, but I'd like to calibrate reality.
I'm about 1/3 of the way through and have no complaints so far. I needed a light read after plowing through the latest Kim Stanley Robinson doorstop and it feels Star Warsy. The new characters are unique enough. I haven't read any of the previous Star Wars novels since the very first ones, but this one is definitely less dry than what I can remember.
I have to say my favourite Star Wars-related publication this year is Kieron Gillen's Darth Vader comic. Both Gillen and Jason Aaron on the main Star Wars comic have the dialog and tone down.
posted by thecjm at 10:08 AM on September 11, 2015 [3 favorites]
I'm about 1/3 of the way through and have no complaints so far. I needed a light read after plowing through the latest Kim Stanley Robinson doorstop and it feels Star Warsy. The new characters are unique enough. I haven't read any of the previous Star Wars novels since the very first ones, but this one is definitely less dry than what I can remember.
I have to say my favourite Star Wars-related publication this year is Kieron Gillen's Darth Vader comic. Both Gillen and Jason Aaron on the main Star Wars comic have the dialog and tone down.
posted by thecjm at 10:08 AM on September 11, 2015 [3 favorites]
I actually think the linked article might be stretching the premise out of proportion. I just spent some time poking through the amazon reviews (starting with 1 star, and most helpful). Now there are 500 some reviews and I didn't go through all of them, but I did go through several.
To be honest, most people don't seem to like his writing (and there are consistent reviews like this on some of his other books from a few years ago). The few reviews that did mention a gay character actually stated that opposite. So here is one from the top current review (note that this reviewer did give 1 star review, hated the writing, but liked the inclusion of a gay character):
Before I dig into the bad, first a few nice words about the book and its author. Aftermath does add elements of diversity that Star Wars has been (for the most part) lacking. And it doesn't do so in an overtly political way. Some of the characters are simply gay, and that's that. They aren't romanticized or villainized for that fact. They simply are, and it adds a nice touch to a story that doesn't have nearly enough nice touches.
Other reviews were similar, but not going to link to them all, but I didn't find anything negative about the book because of the inclusion of a gay character - although they could be in the 500 reviews, and might be buried as unhelpful.
I actually wonder if the author just might have had a hard time with this book because there was attachment to the previous author and a book on a movie universe can't be all things to everyone (vs. writing for your own fans who love you on your blog and your subsequent books in your own writing universe).
posted by Wolfster at 10:12 AM on September 11, 2015 [1 favorite]
To be honest, most people don't seem to like his writing (and there are consistent reviews like this on some of his other books from a few years ago). The few reviews that did mention a gay character actually stated that opposite. So here is one from the top current review (note that this reviewer did give 1 star review, hated the writing, but liked the inclusion of a gay character):
Before I dig into the bad, first a few nice words about the book and its author. Aftermath does add elements of diversity that Star Wars has been (for the most part) lacking. And it doesn't do so in an overtly political way. Some of the characters are simply gay, and that's that. They aren't romanticized or villainized for that fact. They simply are, and it adds a nice touch to a story that doesn't have nearly enough nice touches.
Other reviews were similar, but not going to link to them all, but I didn't find anything negative about the book because of the inclusion of a gay character - although they could be in the 500 reviews, and might be buried as unhelpful.
I actually wonder if the author just might have had a hard time with this book because there was attachment to the previous author and a book on a movie universe can't be all things to everyone (vs. writing for your own fans who love you on your blog and your subsequent books in your own writing universe).
posted by Wolfster at 10:12 AM on September 11, 2015 [1 favorite]
HAUNTED, MY ASS IS BY YODA'S FORCE GHOST.
Hmmm. Have hand stuck up here, talk like this you will!
posted by eriko at 10:14 AM on September 11, 2015 [4 favorites]
Hmmm. Have hand stuck up here, talk like this you will!
posted by eriko at 10:14 AM on September 11, 2015 [4 favorites]
I'm not gonna lie, I'd read such potential classics as POUNDED IN THE BUTT BY MY OWN FULLY ARMED AND OPERATIONAL BATTLE STATION and HAUNTED, MY ASS IS BY YODA'S FORCE GHOST.
What about I'm Gay For The Living Energy Field That Surrounds Us Penetrates Us And Binds The Galaxy Together That Is Also Somehow Bigfoot With A Unicorn Horn or Shared By The Mandalorian Clones
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 10:14 AM on September 11, 2015 [4 favorites]
What about I'm Gay For The Living Energy Field That Surrounds Us Penetrates Us And Binds The Galaxy Together That Is Also Somehow Bigfoot With A Unicorn Horn or Shared By The Mandalorian Clones
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 10:14 AM on September 11, 2015 [4 favorites]
So Hutts are hermaphroditic and as far as I can tell, they choose their gender expression and can and do change it over the course of their lives (e.g. upon becoming pregnant some but not all Hutts identify/present as 'female.')
So let's say a non-Hutt from a race where gender and sexuality work like they do with humans is only attracted to Hutts and only has relationships with Hutts. How is their sexual orientation determined?
posted by griphus at 10:15 AM on September 11, 2015 [1 favorite]
So let's say a non-Hutt from a race where gender and sexuality work like they do with humans is only attracted to Hutts and only has relationships with Hutts. How is their sexual orientation determined?
posted by griphus at 10:15 AM on September 11, 2015 [1 favorite]
At the storm trooper dorm orgies, do sex acts count as the representation of the joyous act of love between one clone and another or is it all effectively masturbation?
posted by biffa at 10:22 AM on September 11, 2015
posted by biffa at 10:22 AM on September 11, 2015
We used't call 'em huttfuckers, griphus, but now that's "politically-incorrect"
posted by prize bull octorok at 10:32 AM on September 11, 2015 [13 favorites]
posted by prize bull octorok at 10:32 AM on September 11, 2015 [13 favorites]
Are Liberal Jedi Politics Coddling The Next Generation of Starfighters? by Friddedy d'Bohr
posted by griphus at 10:36 AM on September 11, 2015 [9 favorites]
posted by griphus at 10:36 AM on September 11, 2015 [9 favorites]
Storm Troopers are not clones, the original clone army would have died out from accelerated aging before they were called that. /nerd
posted by Artw at 10:40 AM on September 11, 2015 [1 favorite]
posted by Artw at 10:40 AM on September 11, 2015 [1 favorite]
Is that canon because I was trying to figure out if stormtroopers were clones and ctrl+F'd "clone" on the incredibly long Stormtrooper page on one of the fifty Star Wars wikias that exist and it got like two hundred hits going all the way down the page and I'm not reading all of that
posted by griphus at 10:46 AM on September 11, 2015 [1 favorite]
posted by griphus at 10:46 AM on September 11, 2015 [1 favorite]
Griphus, I literally had to bite my hand to stop from cracking up at work at "Friddedy d'Bohr". Good job. +1 internet for you today.
posted by protocoach at 10:51 AM on September 11, 2015 [2 favorites]
posted by protocoach at 10:51 AM on September 11, 2015 [2 favorites]
Wait, a strange cult of Jedi in some sort of what appeared like a Roman Senator boy-man mentorship existed for the first 3 movies (before the possibility that female Jedi were ever even mentioned) and nobody thought that it was odd that Obi-Wan never seemed to have a love interest but instead spent his time parading around in search of
a young boy, boozing it up at as many cantinas as possible and using mind control to get away with whatever he wanted people to forget? Ya, you think it was his first rodeo when he said, "These aren't the droids you are looking for."
You mean to tell me that no one thought there was any subtext to that?
posted by Nanukthedog at 10:51 AM on September 11, 2015 [3 favorites]
a young boy, boozing it up at as many cantinas as possible and using mind control to get away with whatever he wanted people to forget? Ya, you think it was his first rodeo when he said, "These aren't the droids you are looking for."
You mean to tell me that no one thought there was any subtext to that?
posted by Nanukthedog at 10:51 AM on September 11, 2015 [3 favorites]
I have to say my favourite Star Wars-related publication this year is Kieron Gillen's Darth Vader comic. Both Gillen and Jason Aaron on the main Star Wars comic have the dialog and tone down.
I've only read the first couple issues of these, but I agree. There'll probably be trades out in time for Christmas.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 10:55 AM on September 11, 2015 [1 favorite]
I've only read the first couple issues of these, but I agree. There'll probably be trades out in time for Christmas.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 10:55 AM on September 11, 2015 [1 favorite]
Literally the only problem I have with Chuck Wendig getting bigger and bigger is that he used to be one of the best White Wolf writers, and now Onyx Path can't afford him.
It's a small price to pay. :D
posted by Pope Guilty at 10:58 AM on September 11, 2015 [2 favorites]
It's a small price to pay. :D
posted by Pope Guilty at 10:58 AM on September 11, 2015 [2 favorites]
Wookiepedia notes that the original clones were supplanted by clones from other sources and eventually regular humans during the Galactic Civil War, with Star Wars: The Force Unleashed II cited as a source.
posted by Artw at 11:02 AM on September 11, 2015 [1 favorite]
posted by Artw at 11:02 AM on September 11, 2015 [1 favorite]
Has anyone read Aftermath? I've heard very mixed reviews. I have zero desire to read it, but I'd like to calibrate reality.
I'm about 100 pages in and so far it's pretty good. The writing is somewhat YA in feel, but at the same time it doesn't reek of the generic military-SF and/or misplaced Star Trek-y tone that popped up in most of the '90s SW Expanded Universe stuff I've read. So far, it focuses almost entirely on either wholly original characters or tertiary characters from the OT (think Ackbar or Mon Mothma), so don't go in expecting the further adventures of Han, Luke, and Leia, but the newbies are interesting enough and the details about the post-ROTJ universe seem well-thought-out. It reminds me a lot of the kinds of characters and scenarios that my friends and I would come up with for the old West End SW pen-and-paper RPG, which I think is also why I like what I've seen of both SW: Rebels and the upcoming Rogue One film.
posted by Strange Interlude at 11:21 AM on September 11, 2015
I'm about 100 pages in and so far it's pretty good. The writing is somewhat YA in feel, but at the same time it doesn't reek of the generic military-SF and/or misplaced Star Trek-y tone that popped up in most of the '90s SW Expanded Universe stuff I've read. So far, it focuses almost entirely on either wholly original characters or tertiary characters from the OT (think Ackbar or Mon Mothma), so don't go in expecting the further adventures of Han, Luke, and Leia, but the newbies are interesting enough and the details about the post-ROTJ universe seem well-thought-out. It reminds me a lot of the kinds of characters and scenarios that my friends and I would come up with for the old West End SW pen-and-paper RPG, which I think is also why I like what I've seen of both SW: Rebels and the upcoming Rogue One film.
posted by Strange Interlude at 11:21 AM on September 11, 2015
And then there was Ziro the Hutt
Curiously enough, I just watched an episode of Clone Wars (which is actually rather good, even if you hate the prequels) where they retconned in a semi-ambiguous romantic relationship between Ziro and Sy Snootles. I still have no idea what this means with regards to Ziro's sexuality one way or another.
posted by Strange Interlude at 11:31 AM on September 11, 2015 [1 favorite]
Curiously enough, I just watched an episode of Clone Wars (which is actually rather good, even if you hate the prequels) where they retconned in a semi-ambiguous romantic relationship between Ziro and Sy Snootles. I still have no idea what this means with regards to Ziro's sexuality one way or another.
posted by Strange Interlude at 11:31 AM on September 11, 2015 [1 favorite]
Wookiepedia notes that the original clones were supplanted by clones from other sources and eventually regular humans during the Galactic Civil War, with Star Wars: The Force Unleashed II cited as a source.
Yeah, but how much of that is still canon, at this point? I was under the impression about 95% of the non-film material is considered, at this point, "Legends" (a.k.a. "a different timeline/what-if scenario that we no longer recognize as ever having happened").
posted by tocts at 11:33 AM on September 11, 2015
Yeah, but how much of that is still canon, at this point? I was under the impression about 95% of the non-film material is considered, at this point, "Legends" (a.k.a. "a different timeline/what-if scenario that we no longer recognize as ever having happened").
posted by tocts at 11:33 AM on September 11, 2015
Aftermath is terrible.
It features lazy, predictable plotting; characters with identical voices; and a case-study-worthy terrible choice of present-tense narration. It's also a perfect example of how sentence fragments should be used in moderation.
Oh, and Chuck tells you the name and species of every goddamn character. Even background extras.
Ugh.
< /rant>
posted by sixswitch at 11:37 AM on September 11, 2015 [3 favorites]
It features lazy, predictable plotting; characters with identical voices; and a case-study-worthy terrible choice of present-tense narration. It's also a perfect example of how sentence fragments should be used in moderation.
Oh, and Chuck tells you the name and species of every goddamn character. Even background extras.
Ugh.
< /rant>
posted by sixswitch at 11:37 AM on September 11, 2015 [3 favorites]
If you might pick up Aftermath: do yourself a favour and go for Timothy Zahn's Blackcollar trilogy (SPACE NINJAS) or Karen Traviss' Wess'har Wars (SPACE INSPECTOR REBUS) books instead.
posted by sixswitch at 11:40 AM on September 11, 2015
posted by sixswitch at 11:40 AM on September 11, 2015
My sons are 6 and 13. My older son liked the movies (all 6 of them) but never ever really got into Star Wars like I did when I was a kid. He did ask for and get some of the Lego sets.
Our younger son is just at the age when Star Wars might capture his interest, but we shall see.
There's just so much out there now competing with Star Wars these days. My younger son, for example, is totally into Marvel Super Heroes.
Probably part of it is that I'm at best ambivalent towards Star Wars. The prequels were complete garbage and didn't really resonate with me, and I'm pretty sick of Star Wars, even though it was the first movie I ever saw in the theater (this was pre-VHS, even) back in 1977.
So we're not really a "Star Wars family."
The new movie looks cool, although I was kinda hoping for new ships. The X-Wings are all recycled...
posted by Nevin at 11:41 AM on September 11, 2015
Our younger son is just at the age when Star Wars might capture his interest, but we shall see.
There's just so much out there now competing with Star Wars these days. My younger son, for example, is totally into Marvel Super Heroes.
Probably part of it is that I'm at best ambivalent towards Star Wars. The prequels were complete garbage and didn't really resonate with me, and I'm pretty sick of Star Wars, even though it was the first movie I ever saw in the theater (this was pre-VHS, even) back in 1977.
So we're not really a "Star Wars family."
The new movie looks cool, although I was kinda hoping for new ships. The X-Wings are all recycled...
posted by Nevin at 11:41 AM on September 11, 2015
“If your problem with the book is only the inclusion of gay characters, then no conversation is possible. Because that’s homophobia, that’s bigotry, and there’s nothing to be done or said. Someone wants to talk to me about the writing style or whatever, sure, I can have that discussion. On this, no.”
I would like to just copy and paste this into every discussion with family members or random assholes that feel the need to bitch about some character being anything other than a white dude. Cause seriously, how is it the 21st fucking century and we are still hung up on these kids of things? Rue was black, Thor can be a girl, and Dumbledore was gay.
Shut up and enjoy the story or go the hell away.
posted by teleri025 at 12:14 PM on September 11, 2015 [4 favorites]
I would like to just copy and paste this into every discussion with family members or random assholes that feel the need to bitch about some character being anything other than a white dude. Cause seriously, how is it the 21st fucking century and we are still hung up on these kids of things? Rue was black, Thor can be a girl, and Dumbledore was gay.
Shut up and enjoy the story or go the hell away.
posted by teleri025 at 12:14 PM on September 11, 2015 [4 favorites]
I'm really, really not a Chuck Wendig fan, but I like this response a lot.
posted by yellowcandy at 12:45 PM on September 11, 2015 [1 favorite]
posted by yellowcandy at 12:45 PM on September 11, 2015 [1 favorite]
And anyway, hasn't the franchise had gay characters since the first time C3P0 stepped into frame?
posted by radwolf76 at 1:02 PM on September 11, 2015 [1 favorite]
posted by radwolf76 at 1:02 PM on September 11, 2015 [1 favorite]
The new movie looks cool, although I was kinda hoping for new ships. The X-Wings are all recycled...
Actually they're new. A little sleeker (comparison) and based on the original McQuarrie art.
posted by Fleebnork at 1:10 PM on September 11, 2015 [1 favorite]
Actually they're new. A little sleeker (comparison) and based on the original McQuarrie art.
posted by Fleebnork at 1:10 PM on September 11, 2015 [1 favorite]
Because it looks like one circular duct but it still splits into two when they go into attack formation?
posted by biffa at 1:24 PM on September 11, 2015
posted by biffa at 1:24 PM on September 11, 2015
Isn't that a Z-95?
posted by MartinWisse at 2:29 PM on September 11, 2015 [1 favorite]
posted by MartinWisse at 2:29 PM on September 11, 2015 [1 favorite]
What about I'm Gay For The Living Energy Field That Surrounds Us Penetrates Us And Binds The Galaxy Together That Is Also Somehow Bigfoot With A Unicorn Horn or Shared By The Mandalorian Clones
If we're going to do Star Wars erotica, allow me to pitch my 3part series:
The Force...Awakens
The Force...Aroused
The Force...Released
posted by nubs at 3:29 PM on September 11, 2015 [4 favorites]
If we're going to do Star Wars erotica, allow me to pitch my 3part series:
The Force...Awakens
The Force...Aroused
The Force...Released
posted by nubs at 3:29 PM on September 11, 2015 [4 favorites]
The Force...Underground
posted by Catblack at 4:29 PM on September 11, 2015 [1 favorite]
posted by Catblack at 4:29 PM on September 11, 2015 [1 favorite]
Too Force Too Furious
posted by Artw at 4:42 PM on September 11, 2015 [2 favorites]
posted by Artw at 4:42 PM on September 11, 2015 [2 favorites]
I have an idea: "Pimped by the Billionaire Gay Astromech Droid". Get Tingle on this...NOW!
posted by MikeMc at 4:49 PM on September 11, 2015 [1 favorite]
posted by MikeMc at 4:49 PM on September 11, 2015 [1 favorite]
Fit those asking what the book is like, wendig is quite polarising as a writer, so I definitely recommend a read of some of his stuff before purchasing, his style seems to really work for people, or really not work.
posted by smoke at 7:44 PM on September 11, 2015 [1 favorite]
posted by smoke at 7:44 PM on September 11, 2015 [1 favorite]
the ghey is not for kids but incest is (was?)
posted by Fupped Duck at 12:37 AM on September 12, 2015
posted by Fupped Duck at 12:37 AM on September 12, 2015
After I finished reading the article, I wanted to stand up and cheer!
posted by james33 at 2:56 AM on September 12, 2015
posted by james33 at 2:56 AM on September 12, 2015
Surely you must have all considered the subtext about Luke's training on Dagobah? Yoda rides around on his back at one point, and Luke frequently has his giant chopper on display. It makes perfect sense for Yoda to want to find a way to pass on some of his midichlorians.
Luke: All right, I'll give it a try.
Yoda: No! Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try.
Luke: I can't. It's too big.
posted by biffa at 3:56 AM on September 12, 2015 [2 favorites]
Luke: All right, I'll give it a try.
Yoda: No! Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try.
Luke: I can't. It's too big.
posted by biffa at 3:56 AM on September 12, 2015 [2 favorites]
As opposed to?
Hands clap, obviously.
posted by Mezentian at 7:11 AM on September 12, 2015 [1 favorite]
Hands clap, obviously.
posted by Mezentian at 7:11 AM on September 12, 2015 [1 favorite]
I love me some Wendig. In fact, I have little interest in the Star Wars universe right now. Was going to to read it because it was Wendig, but: Couldn't get through. Kindle sample. Staccato sentence fragments. Difficult. Distracting. To read. Like Ellroy's White Jazz: Didn't like that either. Clipped- confusing. Disappointing. Thought It would get me. Maybe make me care about SW again. No dice.
Loved Zeroes though (and Miriam Black and I'm waiting very very patiently for the next Mookie Pearl book.)
posted by eyeballkid at 12:19 PM on September 12, 2015 [1 favorite]
Loved Zeroes though (and Miriam Black and I'm waiting very very patiently for the next Mookie Pearl book.)
posted by eyeballkid at 12:19 PM on September 12, 2015 [1 favorite]
'Like Ellroy's White Jazz' is not a sentence fragment you'd expect to read about a Star Wars novel.
posted by box at 4:19 AM on September 13, 2015
posted by box at 4:19 AM on September 13, 2015
« Older How does bullying work? | Does Thomas Pynchon have a new book out? Newer »
This thread has been archived and is closed to new comments
posted by SansPoint at 9:18 AM on September 11, 2015 [1 favorite]