Broadway Takes the Lead
November 5, 2015 6:23 AM   Subscribe

At the A.V. Club, Caroline Siede examines how Hamilton and Allegiance might represent a new approach to historical drama.
posted by Ipsifendus (58 comments total) 14 users marked this as a favorite
 
May ? From the day Hamilton opened it was noted as opening new territory for musicals. If culture evolves, why should not theater? Our understanding and writing history too has evolved.
posted by Postroad at 6:32 AM on November 5, 2015


Hamilton, meanwhile, is blowing up the rulebook altogether.

This is 100% not true. I love Hamilton, but people have been doing work for decades in this realm. There is no rulebook.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:45 AM on November 5, 2015


This "Hamilton" play sounds intriguing. I should learn more about it.
posted by ColdChef at 6:55 AM on November 5, 2015 [9 favorites]


This "Hamilton" play sounds intriguing. I should learn more about it.

I can't tell if this is serious or a jab at the general ubiquity of Hamilton on some corners of the Internet these days (curse you text and your lack of tone!), but assuming the former listening to the soundtrack is a great place to start. It's available for free streaming on Spotify, Google Play, and probably whatever Apple thing, and it is an all-around fabulous album in its own right.
posted by Itaxpica at 7:02 AM on November 5, 2015 [1 favorite]


My love of "Hamilton" is bordering on "boil a bunnyrabbit insanity". Thank you for your concern.
posted by ColdChef at 7:07 AM on November 5, 2015 [26 favorites]


We're going back to Hamilton (second row, orchestra, I'm a general, WHEE) next week and this thread is not helping my patience.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 7:09 AM on November 5, 2015 [7 favorites]


Allegiance is kind of unique, though, since it was loosely based on George Takei's experiences and so had the support and publicity power of a fairly well-known person, plus an Indygogo campaign, not to mention $1,000,000 from Takei himself, according to his interview on Stern this morning.

It's great that it got made, but it was kind of in spite of the status quo, it doesn't represent some shift in Broadway's/Big Entertainment's attitude toward non-white perspectives. Good on Takei, though, for pushing through an American story that's not about white men for once.
posted by Huck500 at 7:09 AM on November 5, 2015 [1 favorite]


As an interesting aside, the production of 1776 at City Center Encores! next spring will be cast similarly to Hamilton. Should be a good time.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 7:11 AM on November 5, 2015 [1 favorite]


HERCULES MULLIGAN
posted by flatluigi at 7:18 AM on November 5, 2015 [13 favorites]


A TAILOR SPYING ON THE BRITISH GOVERNMENT
posted by prefpara at 7:31 AM on November 5, 2015 [2 favorites]


Hamilton sounds good but the seven years I spent at Alexander Hamilton Elementary School makes me twitch when I even hear the name.
posted by octothorpe at 7:34 AM on November 5, 2015


I TAKE THEIR MEASUREMENTS, INFORMATION AND THEN I SMUGGLE IT
posted by nonasuch at 7:52 AM on November 5, 2015 [8 favorites]


Really though, Hamilton is SO compelling for SO many reasons: the frankly brilliant casting, the way the choice of music animates what should by now be a tired story, the warts-and-all honesty about the flaws and strengths of men we've been deifying for 250 years. It's incredibly meta without being ironic; being so passionately sincere while also cramming in that many pop-culture references is not easy. AND it has some really, really thought-provoking things to say about historiography, legacy, the way we tell stories, who and what we choose to emphasize when we are trying to tell 'the truth' about history.

(but also HERCULES MULLIGAN, I NEED NO INTRODUCTION, WHEN YOU KNOCK ME DOWN I GET THE FUCK BACK UP AGAIN)
posted by nonasuch at 7:57 AM on November 5, 2015 [10 favorites]


SEE THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU UP AGAINST THE RUFFIANS
posted by TwoStride at 7:58 AM on November 5, 2015 [4 favorites]


Spelled "ruffians" but pronounced "ruffiyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeenz"
posted by prefpara at 8:05 AM on November 5, 2015 [4 favorites]


Ok, the AV comments thread is pretty funny with the discussion about how the inevitable high school versions will clean up HERCULES MULLIGAN's lines... (When you knock me down I consult the counseling department and RESPECTFULLY GET BACK UP AGAIN!)
posted by TwoStride at 8:08 AM on November 5, 2015 [4 favorites]


Ok, the AV comments thread is pretty funny with the discussion about how the inevitable high school versions will clean up HERCULES MULLIGAN's lines... (When you knock me down I consult the counseling department and RESPECTFULLY GET BACK UP AGAIN!)

Ha, I left that comment! It's weird to see my words quoted across platforms and internet pseudonyms.
posted by Turkey Glue at 8:22 AM on November 5, 2015 [9 favorites]


Ha, I left that comment!

We had a spy on the inside.
posted by ColdChef at 8:33 AM on November 5, 2015 [23 favorites]


HERCULES MULLIGAN! Main reason I picked up the Chernow biography, he's a great source of quotes. But when I meet Lin-Manuel, I'ma compel to include Cato in the sequel. WERK.
posted by Freyja at 8:49 AM on November 5, 2015 [13 favorites]


For all you Hamilton fans who haven't discovered this yet, Lin-Manuel Miranda has some annotated lyrics on Genius.com.
posted by still_wears_a_hat at 10:29 AM on November 5, 2015 [3 favorites]


Metafilter: that’s the most hip-hop shit ever.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 10:44 AM on November 5, 2015


I want to take this opportunity to point out to all of you that Aaron Burr's private journals are a source of DELIGHT and HILARITY (also tragedy because I guess Burr just failed at everything and everyone he loved died):

that time he set himself on fire
that time he agonized over what book to buy his daughter
that time he blew some money on a coconut "like an ass"
also he ate a lot of grapes (and slept with a bunch of prostitutes)
that time he declared that having two halfpence was better than having one penny, because "they jingle, and thus one may refresh one's self with the music."

Also let it be noted that he was, theoretically, keeping this journal for his daughter? So why are you painstakingly noting how many prostitutes you're engaging, Aaron. Anyway, my early US history education FAILED ME in not directing me towards such glorious primary sources as this and Hamilton's sexytimes correspondence corner.
posted by yasaman at 11:09 AM on November 5, 2015 [32 favorites]


What makes Hamilton revolutionary to me is not how it blows up the rulebook for musicals, but how it blows up the rulebook for the telling of history. I can't quite put my finger on it. It reminds me of the passage in Coates's Between the World and Me when he stresses that culture doesn't belong only to the race or ethnicity of its originator, that Tolstoy is the Tolstoy of the Zulus. Drawing on our own current cultural baggage and changing the lens through which we interpret the Revolution exposes its power, relevance, and urgency and I finally feel like part of the story - not someone who got shoehorned in by different, later historical figures (female ones). Until Hamilton, I had unconsciously accepted the narrative that the Founders "belong" to a certain group of Americans that doesn't include me (for example, the people espousing originalism in legal theory).

I'm still not putting it right, but anyways, I have to be careful listening to Hamilton in public because about 75% of the time I start feeling those tears RISE UP! RISE UP!
posted by sallybrown at 11:50 AM on November 5, 2015 [16 favorites]




They're televising foosball now? I am more out of things than I thought.
posted by still_wears_a_hat at 1:13 PM on November 5, 2015 [2 favorites]


This morning bought pair gloves for a pretty laundress, 3 francs, and a ring, 6 francs, for, I don't know whom. Behold, there go 18 francs for nothing. Indeed, I won’t do so again.

Let it be never said that Aaron Burr didn't learn from his mista-

Have spent 14 schillings and 6 pence magnificently, i.e like an ass [...] J had never seen a cocoanut or dates; bought of both.

WELP
posted by Itaxpica at 4:14 PM on November 5, 2015 [10 favorites]


In exactly one week I'll have seen Act One of Hamilton and probably started on Act Two and OMG it's finally actually happening, eeeeeeeeeee
posted by kmz at 6:12 PM on November 5, 2015 [4 favorites]


My housemate and I have, among other Hamilton-related conversations, been discussing the parallel universe where everyone was juuuuuust a little less hot-headed. We've decided that, in that universe, having not tried quite so hard to die gloriously in battle, John Laurens was around to talk Hamilton out of the Reynolds pamphlet (assuming there was even a need to write one; my contention is that he'd have been banging Laurens instead, and 'Oh yeah? Well I hear you're in a consenting polyamorous relationship based on mutual respect and understanding' is not the sort of thing Hamilton could write angry pamphlets about).

Laurens would probably have also insisted on standing in for Hamilton in the duel if Burr had still challenged him ('dude, you have a billion kids and Eliza would literally kill me if I let you. no.'); and Burr would be known, if anything, as the founder of one of our slightly more eccentric women's colleges.
posted by nonasuch at 8:18 PM on November 5, 2015 [2 favorites]


kmz, we are going Wednesday night!
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 8:34 PM on November 5, 2015


Oh thank god, another Hamilton thread so we can all keep going! Btw, he's gonna be on Jimmy Kimmel tomorrow!

Hey, I just went to see Sarah Vowell tonight to discuss EVERYONE'S FAVORITE FIGHTING FRENCHMAN LAFAYETTE! and the book she wrote about it. The very first question in the Q&A was essentially "What other characters in the American Revolution would make a good musical?" and she was all, "ANYTHING's game." Especially if you write a musical about the dang treasury secretary.

Seriously, y'all, go pick up Lafayette in the Somewhat United States--literally, it's about how he was EVERYONE's favorite, and in a country where hardly anyone gets along, they agreed with that. Oh yeah, and SO MUCH MORE DISH about how Charles Lee shat the bed at Monmouth. Washington offered him the command out of seniority, Lee declined it and said it should go to a younger general, so Washington offered it to Lafayette. Then Lee decided he wanted it back and proceeded to wish and wash and whine and get all "insulted" if someone younger got it, until Lafayette politely relinquished the command. And apparently George Washington did an amazing amount of cussing him out--I only wish the language had been recorded for posterity by those who heard it.

Regarding Burr: I think something that should be added to any Hamilton outtake mixtapes should be a song about Theodosia II saying to her dad, "I DO NOT NEED TO HEAR ABOUT EVERY PROSTITUTE YOU BANG, GOD."
posted by jenfullmoon at 10:58 PM on November 5, 2015 [4 favorites]


Oh, and another fun character I found out about in that book: the Chevalier d'Eon de Beaumont, who served as a male soldier and a female secret agent during the Seven Years' War. "No one was entirely sureof his/her gender, and he/she kept them guessing." The government wanted d'Eon back in the country. France's greatest playwright Pierre-Augustin Caron de Beaumarchais was put on the job. He got an invite to a dinner party to meet him and tried to convince him. d'Eon said he was a woman and was afraid of being locked in the Bastille. "Whether or not that was true--and technically it wasn't, based on a postmortem examination of d'Eon's anatomically male corpse years later--the professionally imaginative Beaumarchais concocted a theatrical solution. After handing over the invasion plans, d'Eon would be welcomed back to France and receive his military pension as long as he agreed to live out the rest of his life as a woman. Which happened!"

YEAH, WHERE'S MY MOVIE OF THIS.
posted by jenfullmoon at 11:03 PM on November 5, 2015 [5 favorites]


Oh Burr (from the grapes and prostitutes link):
"Have eaten about a pound of grapes and drank a glass of Roussillon. This morning bought pair gloves for a pretty laundress, 3 francs, and a ring, 6 francs, for, I don't know whom. Behold, there go 18 francs for nothing. Indeed, I won’t do so again. "

Suuuuure, you won't.

I also looked at aaronburrssexdungeon tumblr and feel ashamed of myself. Also not all that great.
posted by jenfullmoon at 11:15 PM on November 5, 2015


The sad thing is that I am making all of these posts while totally sober and yet giggling like a damn "woo" girl.
posted by jenfullmoon at 11:17 PM on November 5, 2015


Cards Against Hamilton.

EVERYONE ATTACK
RETREAT
ATTACK
RETREAT
WHAT ARE YOU DOING LEE GET BACK ON YOUR FEET
BUT THERE'S SO MANY OF THEM!
IS THIS NOT YOUR SPEED? HAMILTON--
YES SIR!
HAVE LAFAYETTE TAKE THE LEAD!

I need to go to bed and stop bouncing off the walls while searching for more Hamilton things I haven't seen yet.
posted by jenfullmoon at 11:37 PM on November 5, 2015 [1 favorite]


It doesn't work quite as well as Yorktown Rim but It's Quiet Uptown Funk is... something.
posted by kmz at 6:30 AM on November 6, 2015


So out of the loop on this Hamilton thing. All I know is that it's a big deal for some reason.

Decided to listen to the soundtrack when I read up thread it was on Spotify.

I'm halfway through it and it's making my work day SO much better. Liking it so far!
posted by Jalliah at 7:29 AM on November 6, 2015 [3 favorites]


OK, I just started reading the Chernow. I got to page 3 before finding a lyric. Well done, Miranda.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 7:38 AM on November 6, 2015 [4 favorites]


Btw, he's gonna be on Jimmy Kimmel tomorrow!

He's on Jimmy Fallon's show tonight, actually. Too many Jimmys in late night! There's Jimmy Kimmel, and Jimmy Fallon, and also James Corden, and they're all white dudes. Late night, so diverse.
posted by yasaman at 8:20 AM on November 6, 2015


We're all still watching kathleengcameron's dubsmashes, yes? She's still bringing the funny!
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 8:33 AM on November 6, 2015


New block of @HamiltonMusical tickets on sale Monday, 11/9 at 10AM for performances through October 30, 2016! http://HamiltonBroadway.com
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 1:12 PM on November 6, 2015 [1 favorite]


My best friend (who lives in a different city) and I are both flying out and meeting each other in NYC for Hamilton in May! ahhhhh!

Said best friend recently pointed out that my first initial and surname rhyme perfectly with "A. Ham", so naturally I've been signing all of my personal emails with "yr obt svt" ever since...
posted by btfreek at 8:13 PM on November 6, 2015


I am seriously considering signing my work e-mails with "your obedient servant" because that's pretty much how my job goes. Except I'm sure I'll get a whopping complaint after 2 seconds *sigh*.
posted by jenfullmoon at 8:46 PM on November 6, 2015


So, 60 minutes:
(a) The delivery at the start was so amusingly stiff and then watching the guy loosen up throughout the filming...
(b) LMM was adorable.
(c) Especially in between his parents looking down at the floor!
posted by jenfullmoon at 7:09 PM on November 8, 2015


More behind the scenes from 60 Minutes and omg I'm tearing up just watching this and I don't know how I'm going to survive next week.

Also his two bits on Fallon, being absolutely adorable and genius.
posted by kmz at 7:50 PM on November 8, 2015


I'm halfway through it and it's making my work day SO much better. Liking it so far!

How'd that second half work out for you?
posted by Lyn Never at 9:34 PM on November 8, 2015 [4 favorites]


60 minutes transcript.
posted by jenfullmoon at 8:08 AM on November 9, 2015


You know, I guess I am naive, because I didn't realize there would be that kind of culture-war racist pushback. And yet there's comments on the 60 Minutes article about how the show is "blasphemous". Just because you can't follow the lyrics, dude, that's on you, not the show.
posted by suelac at 9:21 AM on November 9, 2015


Where's Burr: The Musical?
posted by jenfullmoon at 2:53 PM on November 10, 2015




16 Stages of Becoming Painfully, Irrevocably Obsessed With Hamilton. Like, I dunno, keeping on posting to this thread.
posted by jenfullmoon at 9:50 AM on November 11, 2015


Interview with Javier Munoz: "I think the first thing I might ask him is, “Dude, WHY the Reynolds Pamphlet? What were you thinking? What were you thinking?”


How to love something you cannot see.
posted by jenfullmoon at 4:51 PM on November 12, 2015


Lea Salonga at #Ham4Ham is delightful.
posted by btfreek at 8:47 PM on November 12, 2015 [1 favorite]


Aaron Burr, Human Disaster.

Hey, can someone do some kind of thing involving Aaron Burr and quotes about making a horrible mistake or a little light treason on Arrested Development? Because I don't have the time but the Internet is clearly missing a golden opportunity with that.

Drunk History on the duel.

"I Made America follows six Founding Fathers, Washington, Jefferson, Adams, Franklin, Hamilton, and Madison who are kidnapped from their time and brought to 2012 to be used as props in the election. But the Founding Fathers soon find themselves cut off, alone, penniless, and unemployed in 2012 Chicago." Also comes with Sexy Founding Fathers Calendar, apparently.
posted by jenfullmoon at 11:29 PM on November 12, 2015


kmz, I can't believe you haven't reported in on your first Hamilton yet.
posted by Mavri at 9:02 AM on November 13, 2015


It was amazing! The only problem with seats in the mezzanine is that after I started crying (about half way through My Shot), it was hard to see expressions through blurry eyes. Already want to see it again but don't know how feasible that will be before a US tour. Maybe the Richard Rodgers needs an IT guy or something...

Also got to be there for the Fun Home / Hamilton kids Ham4Ham which was amazing.
posted by kmz at 10:54 AM on November 15, 2015 [2 favorites]


Abigail Nussbaum weighs in.
posted by prefpara at 1:49 PM on November 16, 2015


HOLY SHIT ABIGAIL NUSSBAUM ACTUALLY LIKED SOMETHING!!11!!!!
said completely unironically, the lady writes well but I can't remember ever seeing her actually like something before.
posted by jenfullmoon at 10:07 PM on November 16, 2015




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