I killed a taco out
November 20, 2015 2:33 PM Subscribe
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I loved it. Those women have great timing. Why aren't there more? Poking around that YouTube channel I'm finding mostly kinda boring stuff (plus Cholos try Kombucha, which is equally funny).
posted by The corpse in the library at 2:59 PM on November 20, 2015 [17 favorites]
posted by The corpse in the library at 2:59 PM on November 20, 2015 [17 favorites]
Those gals has plaid shirts on. I can't get my chromoji to work but if I could it would be 'thumbs up'.
posted by joseph conrad is fully awesome at 3:01 PM on November 20, 2015
posted by joseph conrad is fully awesome at 3:01 PM on November 20, 2015
Seriously hilarious. "What she know bout 818?" (Hell yeh 818 represent!)
A+++
Thanks for posting.
posted by ApathyGirl at 3:15 PM on November 20, 2015 [3 favorites]
A+++
Thanks for posting.
posted by ApathyGirl at 3:15 PM on November 20, 2015 [3 favorites]
"She's got a teardrop too. Then that's like the style nowadays, huh."
I'm cracking up. This is brilliant and I wish there were hours and hours of this.
posted by Dip Flash at 5:45 PM on November 20, 2015 [3 favorites]
I'm cracking up. This is brilliant and I wish there were hours and hours of this.
posted by Dip Flash at 5:45 PM on November 20, 2015 [3 favorites]
For anyone else missing the context, this seems like a pretty good background:
Barbara Calderón-Douglass, The Folk Feminist Struggle Behind the Chola Fashion Trend
posted by jhc at 6:33 PM on November 20, 2015 [12 favorites]
Barbara Calderón-Douglass, The Folk Feminist Struggle Behind the Chola Fashion Trend
posted by jhc at 6:33 PM on November 20, 2015 [12 favorites]
Jhc, I was just coming in to post that. It's an awesome read.
posted by SecretAgentSockpuppet at 6:38 PM on November 20, 2015
posted by SecretAgentSockpuppet at 6:38 PM on November 20, 2015
Yes California. Represent. This makes me feel like i'm ditching grade school to smoke weed at somebody's house.
posted by Conrad-Casserole at 7:43 PM on November 20, 2015 [4 favorites]
posted by Conrad-Casserole at 7:43 PM on November 20, 2015 [4 favorites]
Does the word 'out' have a special connotation in the sentence "I killed a taco out."?
posted by Rat Spatula at 10:24 PM on November 20, 2015
posted by Rat Spatula at 10:24 PM on November 20, 2015
My major response was 'why can't I watch this for hours?' and also if they ever wanted to break down, bit by bit, fake vs real chola fashion, I would be there. For a very long time. Because this is brilliant.
posted by kalimac at 4:00 AM on November 21, 2015 [2 favorites]
posted by kalimac at 4:00 AM on November 21, 2015 [2 favorites]
I like the article and think it's always good to learn a bit more about non-dominant cultures, but it's disingenuous to act surprised that people are referencing somebody else's culture without fully understanding and/or living it.
This happens all the time, it's how pop and mainstream culture works. And the new 'authentic' cultures reference the old 'authentic' cultures without fully getting or participating in them, either (case in point: the Chola culture seems to reference a lot of older American lower class fashion trends).
I get that it's jarring when it's your culture that's being referenced and being made money off of, but expecting the rest of the world to go out of its way to preserve your cultural purity is, at best, naive.
posted by signal at 5:49 AM on November 21, 2015
This happens all the time, it's how pop and mainstream culture works. And the new 'authentic' cultures reference the old 'authentic' cultures without fully getting or participating in them, either (case in point: the Chola culture seems to reference a lot of older American lower class fashion trends).
I get that it's jarring when it's your culture that's being referenced and being made money off of, but expecting the rest of the world to go out of its way to preserve your cultural purity is, at best, naive.
posted by signal at 5:49 AM on November 21, 2015
I get that it's jarring when it's your culture that's being referenced and being made money off of, but expecting the rest of the world to go out of its way to preserve your cultural purity is, at best, naive.
Seriously, are we going to have the cultural appropriation fight ALL OVER AGAIN?
Notably, the linked article talks about the very specific, very historical, very culturally specific roots of the fashion that are not just general "older American lower class fashion trends". You'll also note that that it's not about cultural purity for this author. The article closes with:
posted by joyceanmachine at 8:56 AM on November 21, 2015 [6 favorites]
Seriously, are we going to have the cultural appropriation fight ALL OVER AGAIN?
Notably, the linked article talks about the very specific, very historical, very culturally specific roots of the fashion that are not just general "older American lower class fashion trends". You'll also note that that it's not about cultural purity for this author. The article closes with:
I don't want to fight over who gets to use gelled baby hairs because nothing will stop high fashion from harvesting trends from hood kids—everyone knows they are the true creative class. But that doesn't mean I won't stop rolling my eyes whenever I see white Forever 21 models wearing "Compton" sweatshirts and beanies.On the actual video: this was amazing, and like everyone else, I'd watch hours of it, including, without limitation, listening to those ladies give live commentary on runway shows.
"Back in the day, we were mocked for looking different. Now, so many young girls want to emulate the look and have no idea of the cultural background or street politics associated with it," says Hellabreezy. "It's easy for young privileged girls to want to have the look, but when they are done dressing up in their 'chola costume,' they don't have to go back home to the hood and deal with discrimination, violence, and poverty... We can't just brush the Aquanet off our hair, take our hoops off, and go back to normal suburban life like they can because this is our reality. We live this every day."
posted by joyceanmachine at 8:56 AM on November 21, 2015 [6 favorites]
"This kombucha says it's organic and raw"
"I'm organic and raw"
posted by oceanjesse at 10:17 AM on November 21, 2015 [3 favorites]
"I'm organic and raw"
posted by oceanjesse at 10:17 AM on November 21, 2015 [3 favorites]
My only complaint - too short. I need more of this.
posted by _paegan_ at 12:48 PM on November 21, 2015 [1 favorite]
posted by _paegan_ at 12:48 PM on November 21, 2015 [1 favorite]
wow. i am so unconnected with american / mexican culture. i am thinking "wtf has this to do with cholitas?"
for anyone else as clueless: some context from the grauniad and vice (oh, sorry, jhc, duping the vice link).
posted by andrewcooke at 1:00 PM on November 21, 2015 [1 favorite]
for anyone else as clueless: some context from the grauniad and vice (oh, sorry, jhc, duping the vice link).
posted by andrewcooke at 1:00 PM on November 21, 2015 [1 favorite]
Wow, joyceanmachine has got it: now I want to watch them do live runway commentary too.
posted by vignettist at 1:18 PM on November 21, 2015
posted by vignettist at 1:18 PM on November 21, 2015
I understand cultural appropriation. And like many instances when the charge is made, it's pretty bullshitty here. Of course, I can't possibly understand. The pachuco and cholo culture I was raised with were so thoroughly steeped in feminism and cultural pride. Yeah, that's it.
By that time (in the 70s) those were clearly sub cultures of despair. Corrosive and self destructive as ever, defiantly clinging to a dead end version of cultural distinction. The younger and the smarter, were no longer willing to settle for a separate, isolated culture. And haven't. Walk around a place like Los Angeles today and you'll see the result of Latinos being unwilling to settle for a separate sub culture. In the time since, wearing Dickies and winos, wifebeaters and Pendletons, are, if anything, retro symbolism.
Hellabreezy strikes me as miles more privileged than any cholas I knew, or the aging pachucas before them. To me it looks like she's appropriated and markets something she claims because of her surname and skin color. That's fine. She can get snooty about who else gets in on the action. But I can't get on board with that. If you're going to sell culturally based fashion, don't get on a high horse about what you're doing: selling culturally based fashion. Especially when so much of that fashion is made up of elements that have no particular link with Latino culture.
The videos are kinda cool, though.
posted by 2N2222 at 2:45 PM on November 21, 2015 [1 favorite]
By that time (in the 70s) those were clearly sub cultures of despair. Corrosive and self destructive as ever, defiantly clinging to a dead end version of cultural distinction. The younger and the smarter, were no longer willing to settle for a separate, isolated culture. And haven't. Walk around a place like Los Angeles today and you'll see the result of Latinos being unwilling to settle for a separate sub culture. In the time since, wearing Dickies and winos, wifebeaters and Pendletons, are, if anything, retro symbolism.
Hellabreezy strikes me as miles more privileged than any cholas I knew, or the aging pachucas before them. To me it looks like she's appropriated and markets something she claims because of her surname and skin color. That's fine. She can get snooty about who else gets in on the action. But I can't get on board with that. If you're going to sell culturally based fashion, don't get on a high horse about what you're doing: selling culturally based fashion. Especially when so much of that fashion is made up of elements that have no particular link with Latino culture.
The videos are kinda cool, though.
posted by 2N2222 at 2:45 PM on November 21, 2015 [1 favorite]
Mod note: One comment deleted. This will go a lot better if we can stick to the specific chola stuff rather than arguing from first principles over cultural appropriation in general, or meta-argument over whether we should argue about that.
posted by LobsterMitten (staff) at 3:26 PM on November 21, 2015
posted by LobsterMitten (staff) at 3:26 PM on November 21, 2015
wow. i am so unconnected with american / mexican culture. i am thinking "wtf has this to do with cholitas?"
I had exactly the same reaction (not that I'm terribly knowledgeable about Bolivian cholitas either, but that was the only association I had with the idea of chola fashion). I'm delighted to be slightly less ignorant now.
posted by McCoy Pauley at 3:58 PM on November 21, 2015
I had exactly the same reaction (not that I'm terribly knowledgeable about Bolivian cholitas either, but that was the only association I had with the idea of chola fashion). I'm delighted to be slightly less ignorant now.
posted by McCoy Pauley at 3:58 PM on November 21, 2015
andrewcooke: "wow. i am so unconnected with american / mexican culture. i am thinking "wtf has this to do with cholitas?"
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Yeah, me too :). I was frankly dissapointed that this wasn't about Nicki Minaj dressing up in polleras.
posted by signal at 4:32 AM on November 22, 2015
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Yeah, me too :). I was frankly dissapointed that this wasn't about Nicki Minaj dressing up in polleras.
posted by signal at 4:32 AM on November 22, 2015
My favorite on all of those "Cholos eat" videos is the one guy who likes everything he tries.
posted by SassHat at 11:11 AM on November 23, 2015 [2 favorites]
posted by SassHat at 11:11 AM on November 23, 2015 [2 favorites]
My favorite moment in the mokes video, while trying some kind of pseudo-sausage: "Tastes like wet cardboard rolled up in a condom."
posted by Dip Flash at 5:52 PM on November 29, 2015
posted by Dip Flash at 5:52 PM on November 29, 2015
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