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May 5, 2000 9:28 PM Subscribe
oh no, who will define what is "cool" now?
posted by corpse at 9:47 PM on May 5, 2000 [1 favorite]
posted by corpse at 9:47 PM on May 5, 2000 [1 favorite]
Fawning Davis fans might want to stop reading here......
I've been following this site for a long time. And I gotta say.......
Jesus! The freakin' ego on this guy!
But I can say with some authority that I helped shape the web into what it is today.
No! You looked at other peoples sites and graded them on whether they fit into your pigeonhole. And lots of times your pigeon hole sucks! AAAAHHHH!!!!!
Witty???!!! Are you kidding me. This guy is dry. DRY! DRY! DRY!
Look...... I love projectcool.com. They helped me a lot. But over the last few years I have watched this guy try to convince people that his way was the "right" way. Please!!! The whole "ice" thing made me literally pull my hair out.
And the last few months the picks have been mostly poop. Check back a year ago. At least most of the picks were decent. Last month was a groaner.
I have my own daily picks (most of us do) so don't start with me about how hard it is. It's not. And you'll notice I don't go around congratulating myself on how I made the world wide web what it is.
posted by y6y6y6 at 9:50 PM on May 5, 2000
I've been following this site for a long time. And I gotta say.......
Jesus! The freakin' ego on this guy!
But I can say with some authority that I helped shape the web into what it is today.
No! You looked at other peoples sites and graded them on whether they fit into your pigeonhole. And lots of times your pigeon hole sucks! AAAAHHHH!!!!!
Witty???!!! Are you kidding me. This guy is dry. DRY! DRY! DRY!
Look...... I love projectcool.com. They helped me a lot. But over the last few years I have watched this guy try to convince people that his way was the "right" way. Please!!! The whole "ice" thing made me literally pull my hair out.
And the last few months the picks have been mostly poop. Check back a year ago. At least most of the picks were decent. Last month was a groaner.
I have my own daily picks (most of us do) so don't start with me about how hard it is. It's not. And you'll notice I don't go around congratulating myself on how I made the world wide web what it is.
posted by y6y6y6 at 9:50 PM on May 5, 2000
uh, the man just left the company he started. this might not be the best time to cut loose with a long-winded rendition of his supposed failings. and even if you're uncomfortable hearing it from his own mouth, what he says is true.
glenn was a voice for creativity on the web before some of us had even seen the web. he brought a lot of non-commercial sites (and their creators) into the limelight. he co-founded the web standards project to try to bring some sanity to the medium. and he's been a mentor to a lot of people whose work you probably know and respect.
while many of his peers were simply selling out and getting rich, glenn put in years of work to try to help the web live up to its potential. for that he deserves our respect and gratitude.
not criticism. on this of all days.
just my opinion, of course.
posted by Zeldman at 10:14 PM on May 5, 2000
glenn was a voice for creativity on the web before some of us had even seen the web. he brought a lot of non-commercial sites (and their creators) into the limelight. he co-founded the web standards project to try to bring some sanity to the medium. and he's been a mentor to a lot of people whose work you probably know and respect.
while many of his peers were simply selling out and getting rich, glenn put in years of work to try to help the web live up to its potential. for that he deserves our respect and gratitude.
not criticism. on this of all days.
just my opinion, of course.
posted by Zeldman at 10:14 PM on May 5, 2000
Yeah, what Luke said!
PS: Does this mean standards will drop, and maybe I stand a shot at being a "Cool Site of the Day?"
Don't answer that y6y6y6! :0)
posted by EricBrooksDotCom at 11:05 PM on May 5, 2000
PS: Does this mean standards will drop, and maybe I stand a shot at being a "Cool Site of the Day?"
Don't answer that y6y6y6! :0)
posted by EricBrooksDotCom at 11:05 PM on May 5, 2000
God I hope not, Eric. I hope that standards don't drop, I mean. *wink*
posted by the webmistress at 11:53 PM on May 5, 2000
posted by the webmistress at 11:53 PM on May 5, 2000
Glenn sold his company to another company in hopes that the meme he started oh so long ago (in particular, highlighting "cool" sites that don't necessarily fit any other category) could find a larger audience and he could continue doing what he's always done, that being bringing attention to sites that might not otherwise realize that attention.
I include glassdog in that list. I would say that Glenn has done a lot all on his own and for much less compensation than others to illustrate a need to stretch boundaries and pay attention to what was happening with the media, not simply the commerce.
Cool Site of the Day was an important milestone in the Web's timeline. Just because today it's a rather worthless piece of drivel highlighting sites that sponsor it has nothing to do with its origin. And one of the mainstays of the Web is ego. What is a personal site - or in fact a posting here - than another method of fanning that flame inside you. Staking your claim by posting something first and signing your name to it is pure and simple ego.
As is sometimes the case, the large view and the small view couldn't merge, apparently, and Glenn is off on his own to figure out "what comes next." Rather than begrudge him his place, why not recognize that everything changes and everyone moves on.
And, really, who'd want to pick a new site every day anyway?
posted by honkzilla at 12:51 AM on May 6, 2000
I include glassdog in that list. I would say that Glenn has done a lot all on his own and for much less compensation than others to illustrate a need to stretch boundaries and pay attention to what was happening with the media, not simply the commerce.
Cool Site of the Day was an important milestone in the Web's timeline. Just because today it's a rather worthless piece of drivel highlighting sites that sponsor it has nothing to do with its origin. And one of the mainstays of the Web is ego. What is a personal site - or in fact a posting here - than another method of fanning that flame inside you. Staking your claim by posting something first and signing your name to it is pure and simple ego.
As is sometimes the case, the large view and the small view couldn't merge, apparently, and Glenn is off on his own to figure out "what comes next." Rather than begrudge him his place, why not recognize that everything changes and everyone moves on.
And, really, who'd want to pick a new site every day anyway?
posted by honkzilla at 12:51 AM on May 6, 2000
It's the end of an era.
Hope Glenn finds what he wants to do in life...
posted by tomcosgrave at 6:29 AM on May 6, 2000
Hope Glenn finds what he wants to do in life...
posted by tomcosgrave at 6:29 AM on May 6, 2000
No posting after four beers, the man said, and here I am posting before my first Coca-cola. Well, consider that a caveat of sorts.
I wish Glenn all the best; he's right when he says that he helped shape the Web, and we should take that to heart. Think of it: Glenn had little to do with the creation of the infrastructure, the definition of the protocols, the building of the browsers, etc., he simply pointed us to a new site every day for six years and in the process got us to think about the Web's potential, its shortcomings, and finally the shortcomings of its browsers. He got us to rethink the fundamentals of our approach, asking not whether the Web was right for us, but rather whether we were trying to stunt the Web by forcing it into our own little pigeonholes.
Before you heap derision on the man, compare what he's done with his life to what those who came after him did. He used CSotD to highlight the "other" stuff, the sites that the Mosaic What's New page didn't seem to care about. The people who took over used it to court sponsors and highlight the e-commerce revolution. Whee. Bletch. Now, with Project Cool, he's tried to help the up-and-coming newbie and hardened designer or technologist alike, when he could have just gone off and been a K-a-day consultant. And he's worked harder than anyone I know to try to get the Collective to actually support the Web standards they wrote. Give the man some props.
Personally, I hope he takes some time off. :) But that's just because I love it when he has some time on his hands and works himself into a good invective-streaming rage about some injustice or other, and has rested a bit so he can keep up the stream without burning out.
Glenn's one of the closest things we have to a good Old Testament prophet.
posted by schampeo at 6:44 AM on May 6, 2000
I wish Glenn all the best; he's right when he says that he helped shape the Web, and we should take that to heart. Think of it: Glenn had little to do with the creation of the infrastructure, the definition of the protocols, the building of the browsers, etc., he simply pointed us to a new site every day for six years and in the process got us to think about the Web's potential, its shortcomings, and finally the shortcomings of its browsers. He got us to rethink the fundamentals of our approach, asking not whether the Web was right for us, but rather whether we were trying to stunt the Web by forcing it into our own little pigeonholes.
Before you heap derision on the man, compare what he's done with his life to what those who came after him did. He used CSotD to highlight the "other" stuff, the sites that the Mosaic What's New page didn't seem to care about. The people who took over used it to court sponsors and highlight the e-commerce revolution. Whee. Bletch. Now, with Project Cool, he's tried to help the up-and-coming newbie and hardened designer or technologist alike, when he could have just gone off and been a K-a-day consultant. And he's worked harder than anyone I know to try to get the Collective to actually support the Web standards they wrote. Give the man some props.
Personally, I hope he takes some time off. :) But that's just because I love it when he has some time on his hands and works himself into a good invective-streaming rage about some injustice or other, and has rested a bit so he can keep up the stream without burning out.
Glenn's one of the closest things we have to a good Old Testament prophet.
posted by schampeo at 6:44 AM on May 6, 2000
Oh boy, I'll miss that. Even I did not agree with some of the picks, but I could see why he picked many of them. So, let's hold our breath and see where he pops up next. You know he'll be good...
posted by Dean_Paxton at 8:25 AM on May 6, 2000
posted by Dean_Paxton at 8:25 AM on May 6, 2000
No - it's not so easy finding a worthy cool site everday. Of course, many so-called "award sites" suck because they're not into meaningful recognition at all - they're more about self-promotion - but ProjectCool Sightings has never fallen into that category. Thanks for everything you've given to the web, Glenn!
posted by jenett at 3:33 PM on May 6, 2000
posted by jenett at 3:33 PM on May 6, 2000
Well, Mr. Davis was always one of my heroes, not because of judging what's cool or not, but because of the outrageous stuff he did with DHTML on the Project Cool page...
I still contend that there's no such thing as a "Bad" webpage, they're all digital extensions of who we are (that includes the grandmother who showcases her grandkids or cat, or tells her life story on Geocities)
But that's okay we still have Jenett to remind us we suck, not a part of the clique, and make us feel bad about ourselves.
(Not flamebait, just an opinion)
posted by EricBrooksDotCom at 5:53 PM on May 6, 2000
I still contend that there's no such thing as a "Bad" webpage, they're all digital extensions of who we are (that includes the grandmother who showcases her grandkids or cat, or tells her life story on Geocities)
But that's okay we still have Jenett to remind us we suck, not a part of the clique, and make us feel bad about ourselves.
(Not flamebait, just an opinion)
posted by EricBrooksDotCom at 5:53 PM on May 6, 2000
Wow, who'd have thought things would deteriorate this quickly? (Screenshot, in case it -- hopefully -- gets fixed.)
posted by evhead at 6:13 PM on May 6, 2000
posted by evhead at 6:13 PM on May 6, 2000
(Note to self: no posting after four cokes)
Ya... how about this? Lets not let everything we know about Glenn (and even Teresa) just dissapear... I know that the Web Standards Project will be here on monday.... we are just about to dive into even bigger wars on the standards front... and even bigger ideas in the world of innovation (that's innovation as in new ideas, not as in a Microsoft marketing buzz-word). My little paise for Glenn and all he has done for me and the web can be found here
posted by nick at 7:17 PM on May 6, 2000
Ya... how about this? Lets not let everything we know about Glenn (and even Teresa) just dissapear... I know that the Web Standards Project will be here on monday.... we are just about to dive into even bigger wars on the standards front... and even bigger ideas in the world of innovation (that's innovation as in new ideas, not as in a Microsoft marketing buzz-word). My little paise for Glenn and all he has done for me and the web can be found here
posted by nick at 7:17 PM on May 6, 2000
>>I still contend that there's no such thing as a "Bad" webpage<<
erm...does that include blogs???? I think I shall change my screen name to "yankin_erics_chain_again" hehe
posted by the webmistress at 7:30 PM on May 6, 2000
erm...does that include blogs???? I think I shall change my screen name to "yankin_erics_chain_again" hehe
posted by the webmistress at 7:30 PM on May 6, 2000
You slay me, Webmistress!
Just because a page doesn't appeal to me, alright BORES me... doesn't make it "bad". It still means a lot to the person who poured a little of themselves into it, and I'm sure to their readers.
Hopefully, some of the bigger fish will realize that.
Keep supplying Zeldman with his ideas... you ROCK!
-e-
posted by EricBrooksDotCom at 8:12 PM on May 6, 2000
Just because a page doesn't appeal to me, alright BORES me... doesn't make it "bad". It still means a lot to the person who poured a little of themselves into it, and I'm sure to their readers.
Hopefully, some of the bigger fish will realize that.
Keep supplying Zeldman with his ideas... you ROCK!
-e-
posted by EricBrooksDotCom at 8:12 PM on May 6, 2000
Glenn Davis brought a lot of attention to worthwhile projects, and inspired many ambitious, independent web developers. I, for one, can vouch that his (and Teresa's) support bolstered my faith in the web during difficult times. I also can empathize with the pain and powerlessness of watching the clueless mutilate an intimate creation.
Keep the faith, Glenn. That which does not kill us makes us stronger :-)
posted by webchick at 1:44 PM on May 7, 2000
Keep the faith, Glenn. That which does not kill us makes us stronger :-)
posted by webchick at 1:44 PM on May 7, 2000
Gee Eric...I thought this was a discussion about Glenn Davis - now it's about you and some evil "clique" that's out to get you...what a ho!
posted by jenett at 2:35 PM on May 7, 2000
posted by jenett at 2:35 PM on May 7, 2000
I was answering corpse's post about who will don the mantle of telling us what was "cool" now, with the departure of Mr. Davis.
I nominated you, because your just so darned good at it. I personally don't have the heart to judge an individual person's work. (You'll not that I will ridicule a trend, but I'll never single a person out).
No I don't think there's an "evil clique" out to get me. That's as bad as the theory of the "A-List". I do believe that in the web, like in every aspect of real life, politics are involved. We ALL have our circle of friends, and if I'm wrong about you being a little more jaded towards your friends and anyone popular enough to boost traffic, then I'm more than willing to apologize.
But don't worry, I'm just doing my own thing now...just as it should have been all along.
posted by EricBrooksDotCom at 7:33 PM on May 7, 2000
I nominated you, because your just so darned good at it. I personally don't have the heart to judge an individual person's work. (You'll not that I will ridicule a trend, but I'll never single a person out).
No I don't think there's an "evil clique" out to get me. That's as bad as the theory of the "A-List". I do believe that in the web, like in every aspect of real life, politics are involved. We ALL have our circle of friends, and if I'm wrong about you being a little more jaded towards your friends and anyone popular enough to boost traffic, then I'm more than willing to apologize.
But don't worry, I'm just doing my own thing now...just as it should have been all along.
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