Stand On Guard
February 21, 2016 9:13 AM   Subscribe

This post was deleted for the following reason: Poster's Request -- frimble



 
There's also an article in The Star today about Americans who have made the move and a blog about it as well.
posted by juiceCake at 9:17 AM on February 21, 2016


President Trump declares war on Cape Breton Island. Northern third of Nova Scotia vaporized in early-morning hydrogen-bomb attack. Parliament mulls options.
posted by Thorzdad at 9:20 AM on February 21, 2016 [5 favorites]


Shouldn't we give it back to the Mi’kmaq first?
posted by furtive at 9:21 AM on February 21, 2016 [43 favorites]


GOOGLE ROB FORD.
posted by Artw at 9:22 AM on February 21, 2016 [11 favorites]


Hope you like tar ponds and boredom!
posted by Sys Rq at 9:24 AM on February 21, 2016 [7 favorites]


We're gonna need a wall of some sort...
posted by Trochanter at 9:26 AM on February 21, 2016


If Canada is feeling really generous, it could take back its native son Ted Cruz and repatriate him to a tar pit in northern Alberta. By force, if necessary.
posted by a lungful of dragon at 9:31 AM on February 21, 2016 [16 favorites]


If this means I get to be BFFs with Kate Beaton, I'm in!
posted by palindromic at 9:31 AM on February 21, 2016 [26 favorites]


Trump is a bully. That's what his foreign policy is based on. America the bully. Who'd want to live somewhere where the popular kid is always beating up the little guys?

The other day Obama said (I paraphrase from memory) 'Trump will never be president, because I trust the American people to make the right choice.' In other words, Trump will be president.
posted by adept256 at 9:32 AM on February 21, 2016 [5 favorites]


This kind of thing just exacerbates the left-leaning American penchant for offhandedly saying "If [something happens], I'm moving to Canada!"
FYI, you can't just "move to Canada." The government of Canada does have some say in the matter.
It's both annoying and ironic that Americans who view themselves as somewhat dissident display a classically American attitude when they seem to assume that they can just move anywhere they want.
Also, the Cape Breton website is more chamber of commerce boosterism than it is political or anti-Trump.
posted by crazylegs at 9:34 AM on February 21, 2016 [9 favorites]


If you do intend to move to Cape Breton, please bring jobs with you.

crazylegs, the local chamber had nothing to do with this. It was a joke by a local radio DJ, who added links to the local tourism website to his site. They were a little confused when they started to get a whole lot of extra attention, and decided to just go along with it.
posted by GhostintheMachine at 9:38 AM on February 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


The other day Obama said (I paraphrase from memory) 'Trump will never be president, because I trust the American people to make the right choice.' In other words, Trump will be president.

Thanks, Obama!
posted by Reyturner at 9:38 AM on February 21, 2016 [6 favorites]


My bug-out bag will have a ticket to Haneda in it, actually.

When I was studying Japanese in the late 80s my goal was to get a job at Namco or Sega.

While I did not expect the arcade industry to evaporate as it has, I only recently came to understand how "parlous" Japan's demographics were.

Horace Greeley, 1871:
So many people ask me what they shall do; so few tell me what they can do. Yet this is the pivot wherein all must turn. I believe that each of us who has his place to make should go where men are wanted, and where employment is not bestowed as alms. Of course, I say to all who are in want of work, Go West!
I was living in West LA in 1992 so the only west I could go was Santa Monica, Hawaii, or Japan!

I missed the 1990s boom here at home, but had a good time there even as their 1980s boom/bubble economy pancaked over the years.

Not sure how much Japan Inc wants or needs to hire Americans this decade and next, but overall I think we can be a good fit, if we as immigrants come over with respect and sensitivity to Japanese norms.
posted by Heywood Mogroot III at 9:39 AM on February 21, 2016


Cape Breton is beautiful and in the event that I wanted to leave the US and didn't need a job, it'd be on my short list.
posted by Bulgaroktonos at 9:46 AM on February 21, 2016


Further on the Obama quote, I think Trump would get trounced by Bernie but he might stand a chance if Hillary gets the Dem nomination. However, Hillary would almost certainly make a better President than either Trump or Bernie.

I issue is that there is a significant percentage of swing voters who just want to vote for crazy.
posted by Reyturner at 9:47 AM on February 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


They should offer it up for Syrian refugees.
posted by themanwho at 9:48 AM on February 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Sold. Lemme in lemme in lemme in
posted by BitterOldPunk at 9:49 AM on February 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


Hmmm, I. DO own a lot of tartan and wool
posted by The Whelk at 9:50 AM on February 21, 2016 [4 favorites]


> ...the left-leaning American penchant for offhandedly saying "If [something happens], I'm moving to Canada!"

Numerous right-wingers have also threatened to expatriate if Obama was elected, or reelected, or Obamacare passed. The problem is there aren't any places they can emigrate to with all their guns while avoiding public health care services but without straying too far from conventional western amenities like retail shopping and access to the Internet.

At least people on the left have options for places they can live with some measure of accordance to their ideologies.
posted by ardgedee at 9:53 AM on February 21, 2016 [8 favorites]


Dear Metafilter: what are you doing today to prevent the rise of the Combover Fascist?

Note: Googling "Cape Breton gastropub with internet" does not count.
posted by RakDaddy at 10:02 AM on February 21, 2016 [11 favorites]


FYI, you can't just "move to Canada." The government of Canada does have some say in the matter.

In a roundabout way, this is why Trump wants to build that wall.
posted by themanwho at 10:03 AM on February 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


Rush Limbaugh made that claim. He didn't follow through, of course, he's just a blowhard.

Our Australian blowhards aren't too great about accepting refugees, and any right-wingers that don't like universal healthcare and gun control, well, there isn't a home for you here anyhow.
posted by adept256 at 10:04 AM on February 21, 2016


FYI, you can't just "move to Canada." The government of Canada does have some say in the matter.

What more appropriate way to flee Trump than via illegal immigration?
posted by Drinky Die at 10:07 AM on February 21, 2016 [16 favorites]


Go a little bit farther and you can flee to France.
posted by XMLicious at 10:07 AM on February 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


This is interesting but I already get enough questions asking if I'm from Nova Scotia so
posted by halifix at 10:12 AM on February 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


In Cape Breton, we value diversity!

We have Protestants AND Catholics! Only 95% of people claim English as a first language!
posted by jeather at 10:13 AM on February 21, 2016 [18 favorites]


Orwell would love this whole piggin' scenario.
posted by effluvia at 10:23 AM on February 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


issue is that there is a significant percentage of swing voters who just want to vote for crazy.

Well, in South Carolina, Trump's biggest victory thus far, he received support from just under a third of the people who voted in the Republican primary.

That's not nothing, but his 240K (ish) votes represents less than a tenth of South Carolina's registered voters.

So, you know, that's a thing for us to keep in mind before we go all Chicken Little.
posted by dersins at 10:36 AM on February 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


So, you know, that's a thing for us to keep in mind before we go all Chicken Little.

I heard this said, in 2000
posted by infini at 10:47 AM on February 21, 2016 [5 favorites]


"well, john alex, if trump wins the boston states, lots of americans will be movin on up to cb"

"it won't take them long, clay william, until they're fash enough to take the train to t o like we have to do to find a job, eh?"
posted by pyramid termite at 10:58 AM on February 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


I heard this said, in 2000

Bush and Trump are not at all analogous, though. Bush might have been an idiot, but for all of his myriad failings--and lack of any real qualifications--he was (is?) a relatively credible idiot who was (is?) part of the mainstream of the Republican party and the son of a former President.

Trump has exactly zero of this credibility-by-association, and his campaign strategy is predicated on such cartoonish buffoonery that--and, admittedly this is just my opinion--I don't believe his appeal is likely to spread far enough into the mainstream to make him a real threat to the presidency.

I mean, perhaps I am wrong to put that kind of faith in the electorate, but I have to agree with President Obama here. The American people, as a whole, are just not that stupid. (Many of them undoubtedly are, but not, I think, enough of them to elect a Trump.)
posted by dersins at 11:06 AM on February 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


If Trump makes good on his threat to run as an independent candidate if the Republicans don't nominate him (something he has recently restated even after signing the Loyalty Pledge™), I think the Democrats would start popping champagne corks. They could nominate Walter Mondale and come away with pretty close to a landslide.
posted by fireoyster at 11:22 AM on February 21, 2016


Oh, and moving to Canada is easier than one might suspect: the list of professions in NAFTA that qualify someone to move freely between Canada, the U.S., and Mexico is pretty long. Of course, most of them do require a college degree and paying off those student loans when getting paid in Canadian dollars might be difficult these days...
posted by fireoyster at 11:24 AM on February 21, 2016


In Cape Breton, we value diversity!

We have Protestants AND Catholics! Only 95% of people claim English as a first language!


I was gonna join in the snark here -- the idea of Cape Breton being diverse is hilarious; the percentage of Capers who are first cousins or closer (or both...) is probably pretty high -- but, in regard to those two specific points, it's worth mentioning that: 1. Nova Scotia is unique among the provinces in that it doesn't have a separate Catholic school board, and: 2. a good chunk of that remaining 5% of languages are Acadian French and Canadian Gaelic, which, while not exactly reflecting a ton of racial diversity, are neat, and I wouldn't want to see them smothered by American.
posted by Sys Rq at 11:28 AM on February 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


If Trump makes good on his threat to run as an independent candidate....

Conspiracy types suggest that he's been in cahoots with Hillary from the start for this very reason.

In any event, in a country where only slightly more than half of eligible voters actually vote, there's little enough to say about the wisdom of the population. The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity.

It would be interesting to know how many Canadians left Canada on the election of Trudeau.

the idea of Cape Breton being diverse is hilarious

What he said was, they value diversity. As does Hillary. And Bernie.
posted by IndigoJones at 11:34 AM on February 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


So you're saying that Bush jr never hurt America's credibility as much as Trump has the potential to do so? Or should we look at whose policies will harm non mainstream Americans more? I abandoned my greencard and imminent naturalization in 2007 to run away to the frozen north.
posted by infini at 11:39 AM on February 21, 2016


No. No one is defending bush. What we are telling you is that in no way was bush the candidate remotely similar to trump the candidate. His whole campaign was "compassionate conservatism" and an incremental a slight move right from the Clinton years. Very old school establishment republican who could speak to the groups that later coalesced in a more extreme form as the tea party
Trump is a populist. Bush was an anti populist.

I mean the story ended up being bullshit no doubt, but that's what America bought.
posted by JPD at 12:01 PM on February 21, 2016 [2 favorites]




So you're saying that Bush jr never hurt America's credibility as much as Trump has the potential to do so?

Assuming that you're responding to me, that does not even begin to come close to approaching what I said. You have used some of the same words and names, to be sure, but have managed to use them in such a way as to begin discussing an entirely different topic.

Which, if intentional, is sort of a weird approach to having a constructive discussion.
posted by dersins at 12:17 PM on February 21, 2016


Quebec no longer has religious school boards either, though it used to. (And Nova Scotia used to have racially segregated schools, up until the 80s, so it's not like it was this maritime heaven.)

That said there's a not insignificant number of Mi'kmaq and they have (for Canada) unusually good First Nations education.

Honestly Cape Breton is lovely, but it's not really full of jobs; there's a reason the population is declining.
posted by jeather at 12:21 PM on February 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


No, JPD's comment clarified things for me. We all have our own interpretations on things, and mine might just be a very different drummer. The years since have also blurred my understanding of the local politics.

(It could be the blizzards freezing the grey cells)
posted by infini at 12:22 PM on February 21, 2016


Horace Greeley, 1871: Go West!
After spending most of my life in parts of Los Angeles 20 miles or more East of the coast, I looked at a map of the Southern California Coastline, saw how much of it was 'south-facing' and that San Luis Obispo was FARTHER West of L.A. than North of L.A., and decided to relocate accordingly. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
posted by oneswellfoop at 12:31 PM on February 21, 2016


I was part of a group assigned to create a society on CBI for my high school government class. We were communists based on the kibbutz system who grew beans and used spiked eye extractors attracted to vitreous humour as weapons.

I went there a few years ago and loved it.
posted by brujita at 12:55 PM on February 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


I looked into it when this story crossed my desk the other day. Long story short if you're like me and essentially able to do your job from any location with high-speed Internet, you're going to need a pretty sizable stack of cash and a letter from one of the approved "tech incubators" to move to Canada as an "entrepreneur." Some of the requirements may be lessened or waived entirely if the province is willing to sponsor you, but good luck with that.

Also, you'll want a good coat.
posted by ob1quixote at 1:09 PM on February 21, 2016


Newfoundland hasn't had a religion based school board since 2000, either.
posted by peppermind at 1:26 PM on February 21, 2016


(And Nova Scotia used to have racially segregated schools, up until the 80s, so it's not like it was this maritime heaven.)

Taken out of context, this gives a very wrong impression. There were isolated schools in small communities that were de facto segregated (often Black Loyalist communities), but the law was changed in 1954. I grew up in a racially diverse school system in the 1970s and it was not new then. Racism is a significant part of our history here (and remains an issue), but suggesting Nova Scotia was some Mississippi of the North is pretty ridiculous.
posted by GhostintheMachine at 1:45 PM on February 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


Hillary would almost certainly make a better President than either Trump or Bernie.

How is that possible? Please explain for this Calgarian.
posted by sneebler at 1:46 PM on February 21, 2016


Mississippi of the North

previously
posted by XMLicious at 1:55 PM on February 21, 2016


TRUMP BEATS CLINTON
CREDITS 'CARTOON BUFFOONERY' FOR WIN
posted by um at 2:00 PM on February 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Numerous right-wingers have also threatened to expatriate if Obama was elected, or reelected, or Obamacare passed. The problem is there aren't any places they can emigrate to with all their guns while avoiding public health care services but without straying too far from conventional western amenities like retail shopping and access to the Internet.

From what I remember, a lot of Libertarians/gun nuts seemed to talk up Costa Rica as a haven a while ago.
posted by acb at 2:05 PM on February 21, 2016


I have been to Cape Breton, and it is lovely. Also, there is good music there, and it's not really that much colder than here in the winter. But yeah, I don't think that my job skills would be very highly in demand. So if Trump wins, I guess I'm stuck staying here and trying to minimize the damage. God, that's a depressing thought.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 2:08 PM on February 21, 2016


What are you trying to say, XM? Are you somehow suggesting the residential school system is proof that Nova Scotia is the most racist part of Canada?
posted by GhostintheMachine at 2:12 PM on February 21, 2016


Nope, just linking to a recent post that seemed apropos to the phrase "Mississippi of the North" you used. (It's entirely due to my ignorance that I was shocked to find out that there was an Apartheid-like system in Canada too, early on, though I suppose in retrospect knowing about the residential schools should have been a big hint to me.)
posted by XMLicious at 2:25 PM on February 21, 2016


Nova Scotia is not unique in not having a Catholic school board. According to wikipedia, BC, NB, and PEI have never had an education system that included "separate schools".
posted by ghost dance beat at 2:55 PM on February 21, 2016


So, you know, that's a thing for us to keep in mind before we go all Chicken Little.

I heard this said, in 2000


Well, to be fair, the Republicans didn't win the 2000 election.
posted by IAmUnaware at 3:14 PM on February 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


That election was stolen fair and square.
posted by clavdivs at 4:35 PM on February 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


As others echoed, by all means come as it is a beautiful place but bring a job. My Acadian grandfather left P'tite Bras d'Or in the early 40s looking for work and he never looked back.
posted by Ashwagandha at 4:56 PM on February 21, 2016


I'm in. I love cold weather, I can speak decent French, and my username is a large Canadian credit union. Maybe I can slip through unnoticed.
posted by desjardins at 6:57 PM on February 21, 2016 [5 favorites]


My great-grandparents are from St. John, New Brunswick. That doesn't actually give me any legal immigration status in Canada, but I figure it gives me some moral or genetic standing at least if I need to flee northward.
posted by gingerbeer at 7:45 PM on February 21, 2016


I actually showed that site to my husband tonight as a joke and the joke's on me because now he seriously wants to move there. He thinks it sounds like paradise. I work from home so location doesn't matter, and my salary could easily support our family of 4 there. He really wants to play house husband. I think I'd miss the joys of city life too much, Montreal to Cape Breton may be a bit too much adventure for me right now!
posted by Hazelsmrf at 11:52 PM on February 21, 2016


It looks like houses there are pretty affordable right now, especially with the exchange rate. Maybe I should avoid the rush. Weirdly, my condo building fills up with folks from that part of Canada this time of year. I can ask around. Trump or no Trump, a change of scenery might do me some good.
posted by lordrunningclam at 3:16 AM on February 22, 2016 [1 favorite]


I'm just going to leave this here, Metafilter:

I started a new book today (Universe 1 by Robert Silverberg and Karen Haber) and it contains the following quote:
"Before us reared the tallest building in all of old Nuevo York, what used to be old man Tru7mp's very HQ, before we was elected president and got sliced and diced" (p79, from One Night In Television City, by Paul Di Filipo).

So, if Di Filipo was a prophet.... a dystopia must surely follow.
posted by Mezentian at 4:16 AM on February 22, 2016 [2 favorites]


You mean there's an island where I can be comfortable at the beach during summer and get snow in the winter? I'm in!
posted by numaner at 11:32 AM on February 22, 2016 [1 favorite]


So... in the event of a Trump victory, when are we having the first meetup?

Side note, think of this as a refugee camp / Greatfull Dead concert. Bringing beer with you is reccommended, and the savvy ones among you will bring beer to sell.
posted by Nanukthedog at 5:01 PM on February 23, 2016




« Older Every society has to answer for its morgue   |   by Joseph E. Stiglitz Newer »


This thread has been archived and is closed to new comments