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February 25, 2016 9:39 AM   Subscribe

Season 2 of Marvel's "Daredevil" is nearly upon us. Here's are two glimpses of what's in store, one featuring the Punisher, and the other spotlighting Elektra.
posted by Ipsifendus (77 comments total) 8 users marked this as a favorite
 
I'm excited, but a bit concerned that the Elektra stuff might be shoehorned in and doesn't really fit the show. There aren't really ninjas in this Daredevil story yet, are there?

Also, boo Matt and Karen. #TEAMFOGGY.
posted by joelhunt at 9:52 AM on February 25, 2016 [7 favorites]


NIGHT OF A MILLION ZILLION NINJAS IS GOOOOOOOO
posted by robocop is bleeding at 9:54 AM on February 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


Y'know, given how much Thomas Jane liked being the Punisher, I always wonder if he sees this stuff and heaves a heavy sigh, the piano theme from The Incredible Hulk inexplicably playing in the background for some reason.
posted by Kitteh at 9:56 AM on February 25, 2016 [7 favorites]


There aren't really ninjas in this Daredevil story yet, are there?

Stick and the Japanese syndicate seem to think so.
posted by the man of twists and turns at 9:56 AM on February 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


There aren't really ninjas in this Daredevil story yet, are there?

Wasn't the mob boss guy that almost killed him in the warehouse part of some kinda Ninja club? I got the feeling that's where they were going with the Black Sky kid.
posted by Greg Nog at 9:56 AM on February 25, 2016


A Daredevil story without ninjas is barely a Daredevil story at all. We've seen Stick, Nobu, and Stick's organization and boss (who people have guessed is Stone from the comics). Nobu was dressed like the Hand ninjas. My guess is that the Black Sky group will end up being the Hand, since that's who Stick and Stone are always going up against.

So yeah, ninjas, ninjas, everywhere. Elektra will fit in fine.
posted by The Man from Lardfork at 10:07 AM on February 25, 2016


The ninjas have been there, if a little difficult to spot. Which is how they should be.
posted by dinty_moore at 10:12 AM on February 25, 2016 [10 favorites]


robocop is bleeding: "NIGHT OF A MILLION ZILLION NINJAS IS GOOOOOOOO"

Send...

More...

Ninjas...

Return of the Living Dead Daredevil.
posted by Samizdata at 10:13 AM on February 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


I think Elektra will fit and and I like the Punisher as a character who pushes on the tension of Matt's vigilante/lawyer dynamic, but it does seem like a lot for one season. My guess is that Elektra's role is limited to an episode or two arc, but I could be wrong.

Sidenote: Are there good Elektra stories? I mostly know her from the Daredevil: The Man Without Fear miniseries, where I found her presentation not great for sexism reasons.
posted by Bulgaroktonos at 10:13 AM on February 25, 2016


Well, the trailer(s) worked on me. I was pretty indifferent to Daredevil season 1, and I say this as a Marvel aficionado and Jessica Jones fan, but now I'm seeing a binge watch in my future so I can catch up before Season 2 starts. Because Elektra and Punisher. And The Hand.
posted by the painkiller at 10:44 AM on February 25, 2016


Oh Jennifer Garner is in this?
posted by shakespeherian at 10:45 AM on February 25, 2016


GET OUT.
posted by skycrashesdown at 10:47 AM on February 25, 2016 [7 favorites]


Elektra hasn't typically been Greek-Australian has she?
posted by biffa at 10:48 AM on February 25, 2016


It does seem like a lot (I'd imagine having either an Elektra+Ninja or a Punisher storyline), but season one was so good that I'm willing to give the creative team the benefit of the doubt.
posted by oddman at 10:48 AM on February 25, 2016


I think that season 1 was great, and the showrunners really seemed to get what made/makes Daredevil so powerful as a story. I'm a little nervous about this Punisher, just because I don't think anything can beat this Thomas Jane fan made short film.

But I like the DD/Pun setup I've seen here.
posted by DGStieber at 10:54 AM on February 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


My like of the first Daredevil season is only tempered a bit by how much more I liked Jessica Jones. The first DD season seemed a little tentative and had too much origin story while JJ just dumped you right into the middle of the story and didn't really slow down to wait for you to catch up.
posted by octothorpe at 10:56 AM on February 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


Sidenote: Are there good Elektra stories?

This is just one guy's opinion, but: no, not really. I don't think I've ever seen the character used in a way where I thought the story wouldn't be better off without her, and I'm pretty unhappy that the creators of the show felt the need to include her. Maybe the showrunners here have figured out how to make her compelling, but I'm not optimistic. Mostly I'm hoping she's not present for many episodes.
posted by IAmUnaware at 10:58 AM on February 25, 2016


I said elsewhere that the true test of this season of Daredevil will be if it can make me interested in ninjas after becoming thoroughly exhausted with them on Arrow.
posted by Strange Interlude at 11:14 AM on February 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Sidenote: Are there good Elektra stories?

Elektra:Assassin is the best of the bunch, I'd say. Bill Sienkiewicz's art lifts Miller's script to a much higher level than the book would have achieved otherwise. Some fairly barbed satire ensues.
posted by Paul Slade at 11:26 AM on February 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


I said elsewhere that the true test of this season of Daredevil will be if it can make me interested in ninjas after becoming thoroughly exhausted with them on Arrow.

Careful what you say. There could be 12 ninjas standing just off camera ready to exposition you to death.
posted by robocop is bleeding at 11:31 AM on February 25, 2016 [8 favorites]


THIS CITY. THIS CITY. THIS CITY. YOUR CITY. THE CITY. THIS CITY.

All kidding aside, it looks great. I was a big fan of the first one and JJ.
posted by codacorolla at 11:45 AM on February 25, 2016


Are there good Elektra stories?

Greg Rucka, who is generally one of the better action/thriller writers in comics. Don't be put off by the cover, or the fact that Chuck Austen is involved.
posted by Halloween Jack at 11:45 AM on February 25, 2016


It seemed from the trailer that Elektra and DD hadn't met before, which would remove pretty much the entire reason for including Elektra in a Daredevil show. Maybe I read too much into this?
posted by kittens for breakfast at 12:08 PM on February 25, 2016


The issues in that collection are all also in Marvel Unlimited. The description for that collection doesn't mention Bendis who wrote at least the first issue so I dunno if that's bad Amazon data or if it's not the full run.
posted by phearlez at 12:10 PM on February 25, 2016


In related news, Ser Loras has been cast as Danny Rand for the Iron Fist series.

It is super disappointing that they didn't decide to cast an Asian actor.
posted by painquale at 12:14 PM on February 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


that Elektra and DD hadn't met before

Nah, there's a moment in the first season where Foggy mention's Matt's ex, "the greek girl".
posted by Ipsifendus at 12:19 PM on February 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


Also, in the trailer, she's sitting there in a chair, addresses him by hist first name, and he says something about respecting his privacy. That definitely seemed familiar.
posted by codacorolla at 12:23 PM on February 25, 2016


It is super disappointing that they didn't decide to cast an Asian actor.

Yeah, I would have liked that. As Nerds of Color pointed out, it really only makes the story better by getting rid of the White Savior issue. I like Iron Fist, FInn Jones is a fine casting choice if they had to go with a white guy, and I'm looking forward to it, but it's a shame
posted by Bulgaroktonos at 12:28 PM on February 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


robocop is bleeding: "NIGHT OF A MILLION ZILLION NINJAS IS GOOOOOOOO"

"I think he wants a quarter."
posted by boo_radley at 12:38 PM on February 25, 2016




There aren't really ninjas in this Daredevil story yet, are there?

It's pretty much a Miller comic brought to screen and therefore has Ninjas all over the damn place. Characters are basically more likely to be some kind of ninja than not, probably they need to find a deal with FOX to license Wolverine so he can clear out all the damn ninjas.
posted by Artw at 1:48 PM on February 25, 2016


after becoming thoroughly exhausted with them on Arrow.

Careful what you say. There could be 12 ninjas standing just off camera ready to exposition you to death.


Exposition ninjas became a favorite of mine in that show, I mean until recent events.
posted by numaner at 1:54 PM on February 25, 2016


It is super disappointing that they didn't decide to cast an Asian actor.

Y'know, after that recent John Oliver segment about Hollywood whitewashing, my pool of rage is basically empty and I can't even emote about this. I'm just going to walk away.
posted by numaner at 1:57 PM on February 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Excited.
That is all.
posted by eclectist at 2:56 PM on February 25, 2016


1974, still relevant
posted by nicebookrack at 3:26 PM on February 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


Sending more ninjas is pointless. According to the principle of Conservation of Ninjutsu, the more ninjas you send, the weaker they get.
posted by Thoughtcrime at 3:46 PM on February 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


I'm crossing all my appendages for the outcome in which Netflix Danny Rand is the surprise Really Real Mandarin and is soundly defeated by American-born Chinese Shang-Chi.

Power Man & Iron Fist: Heroes of Color for Hire! Free gift of Blind Hero with purchase.
posted by nicebookrack at 3:48 PM on February 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


I'm crossing all my appendages for the outcome in which Netflix Danny Rand is the surprise Really Real Mandarin and is soundly defeated by American-born Chinese Shang-Chi.

As happy as I would be to see a Luke Cage show, I was really hoping for a Shang-Chi/Werewolf By Night show.
posted by lumpenprole at 5:08 PM on February 25, 2016


Oh, FFS:
Some fans have urged Marvel to cast an Asian actor in the lead role, even though the character is white in the comics. Others countered that picking an Asian actor simply because the hero’s ability is martial arts would be a stereotypical move
Where do I even go with that?
posted by Halloween Jack at 7:29 PM on February 25, 2016


My guess is that the Black Sky group will end up being the Hand, since that's who Stick and Stone are always going up against.

Stick saying "They're called the Hand" in the second trailer is another subtle clue.
posted by Pater Aletheias at 9:44 PM on February 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Others countered that picking an Asian actor simply because the hero’s ability is martial arts would be a stereotypical move

Well, there is that, so Marvel is in a bit of a can't win scenario there.

Others have mentioned that part of what makes Heroes For Hire work is that is has the poor black/rich white dynamic.

I can't say I've read enough HFH to say.

I was really hoping for a Shang-Chi/Werewolf By Night show.

I didn't know I wanted this, until you posted it. And now I am sad it won't happen.
If it does, can they set it in the 1970s?
posted by Mezentian at 12:43 AM on February 26, 2016


Others countered that picking an Asian actor simply because the hero’s ability is martial arts would be a stereotypical move

Well, there is that, so Marvel is in a bit of a can't win scenario there.


Yeah, but now they have a white guy acting out Asian stereotypes while beating up other Asian stereotypes. They might not be able to win, but they could stand to lose less.
posted by dinty_moore at 4:48 AM on February 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


It's okay, they can balance it out by casting Misty Knight and race-bend Colleen Wing. Or add in Jimmy Woo (because I REALLY want to see Agents of ATLAS).

But then make the villain Egg-Fu*.... or Fing Fang Foom.

It will all balance out into an all-mighty melting pot of racial fondue that leaves no one happy.

(*Voiced by the Last Samurai himself, Tom Cruise. Also, Egg-Fu might be DC. I can't keep up with the evil eggs).
posted by Mezentian at 5:12 AM on February 26, 2016


If we're bringing in DC characters at random I demand Ringo Chen.
posted by Artw at 5:23 AM on February 26, 2016


Stick saying "They're called the Hand" in the second trailer is another subtle clue.

Yeah. I may have posted that comment before watching the new trailer.
posted by The Man from Lardfork at 5:45 AM on February 26, 2016


This spoiler-free Daredevil season 2 review is based on the first seven episodes.

I'm down. I mean, I was anyway, but it has a hell of a lot to live up to.
It needs to be better than Jessica Jones.
posted by Mezentian at 6:20 AM on February 26, 2016


>they can balance it out by casting Misty Knight

Shouldn't be hard.
posted by sandswipe at 2:19 PM on February 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Marvel's obsession with plastering Asian martial arts skills/weaponry on white characters to make them cooler (Daredevil, Iron Fist, Wolverine, Kitty Pryde for a while, that whole clusterfuck that is Psylocke, Deadpool, even Spider-Man in one recent subplot) is one of my least favorite things about it. As much as I enjoyed Daredevil season 1, its treatment of Asian characters was poor and I am very skeptical about season 2 and Iron Fist.

The Iron Fist concept is steeped in colonialism/orientalism but if you're going to go there (tbh I saw no pressing need -- Luke's association with Jess is more important to the modern version of the character than Danny is), an Asian American Danny is ripe for exploring so many aspects of cultural identity -- the divergence between "home" culture and the one shaped by diaspora, the reclamation of parts of your heritage that got assimilated away, the reality that PoC Americans are not exempt from imperialism, the debunking of the Asian monolith. Lots of potential there for stuff that's almost never shown on TV at all let alone in genre shows, but instead they went with the dated, lazy option.

I don't see this as a can't-win scenario at all. 1) Marvel created this problem for themselves by deciding to make a show about Iron Fist versus any number of other candidates; 2) as dinty_moore pointed out, Asian American Danny may not be perfect but he's light years better than White Danny almost no matter what; 3) obviously someone would complain no matter how Asian American Danny was handled because, shockingly, Asian Americans are not a hive mind, but that's not an excuse to throw up one's hands and not even try to do better.

It's okay, they can balance it out by casting Misty Knight and race-bend Colleen Wing.

Colleen is already Japanese/white (and raised in Japan), so she definitely should not be racebent. I'm kind of bummed out Jimmy Woo never showed in Agent Carter, though, especially with season 2 set in LA.
posted by bettafish at 5:52 PM on February 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Colleen is already Japanese/white (and raised in Japan)

I had no idea (really, my comics from that era are B&W reprints), but given Claremont.... I am not surprised.

Which came first: American Ninja or Claremont/Miller?
posted by Mezentian at 2:22 AM on February 27, 2016


Miller got the writing gig on Daredevil and I think within his first issue had Kingpin sparring with ninjas in a dojo. Miller's big influence there was Lone Wolf and Cub, which he was a big fan of.
posted by Artw at 5:27 AM on February 27, 2016


I was really hoping for a Shang-Chi/Werewolf By Night show.

I didn't know I wanted this, until you posted it. And now I am sad it won't happen.
If it does, can they set it in the 1970s?


Did you ever see the the reel for the 70s Daredevil concept?

As much as I liked the show, I would have liked this a lot more.
posted by lumpenprole at 10:33 AM on February 29, 2016




Quality journalism from Bleeding Cool there.
posted by Artw at 3:36 PM on March 5, 2016


Hey, they have a 50% chance of being right!
posted by Mezentian at 3:42 PM on March 5, 2016 [1 favorite]


Final trailer. More ninjas! More katanas! Stick!

Punisher featurette. I'm pretty excited for this!
posted by Jansku at 8:44 AM on March 16, 2016


Dammit, I had things to do this weekend.
posted by octothorpe at 9:55 AM on March 16, 2016


Inferior things
posted by phearlez at 1:29 PM on March 16, 2016 [1 favorite]


No joke, I shivered: Daredevil Teases a 'Sequel' to Its Incredible Hallway Fight Scene -
. Obviously we’re going to try to ‘pay homage’ to the scene from Episode 2, Season 1 — is that something we should even attempt? But I had complete trust in Phil Silvera, the stunt coordinator, and [stunt double] Chris Brewster, who are really the best in the trade at what they do.
posted by Mezentian at 6:18 AM on March 17, 2016


No joke, I shivered: Daredevil Teases a 'Sequel' to Its Incredible Hallway Fight Scene -

One assumes that somebody has told you to watch The Raid.
posted by lumpenprole at 10:15 AM on March 17, 2016


Lots of people have told me to watch The Raid.
I just haven't done so yet.

I have 24 hours or so before Daredevil, maybe I should give that Dredd knock-off a fair shake.
posted by Mezentian at 4:26 AM on March 18, 2016


The Raid came out a year before Dredd.
posted by octothorpe at 4:48 AM on March 18, 2016


My tiny joke:
The Raid came out before, but Dredd was in pre-production first, and fans of each other are always claiming the other is a rip-off.
posted by Mezentian at 4:49 AM on March 18, 2016


Ahh, OK. I did like The Raid for what it was but found Dredd pretty dull and barely got through it.
posted by octothorpe at 6:15 AM on March 18, 2016


I demand satisfaction!
Lawmasters at dawn!

I admit, I am baffled at the whole Dredd "pretty dull and barely got through it" (I am a Dredd fan from yore, my friend was not, and we both loved it), but everything I have heard about The Raid sounds like it is the same vague idea but with very difference executions.
posted by Mezentian at 6:45 AM on March 18, 2016


Last promo: The Punisher brings a minigun to a ninja fight.

I am so ready for this (you can hear the 2Unlimited, if you are old enough) I am seriously considering watching the Dolph Punisher film.
posted by Mezentian at 7:10 AM on March 18, 2016


Guys, Die Hard exists, no need to fight.
posted by Artw at 7:12 AM on March 18, 2016


Yes. But Die Harder exists.
And Die Hardest.
And Die Hard and Live Free.
And Die Hard 5.0.

Um....

I may have lost track of the Die Hard films.

So, Bruce Willis: who is he in the MCU?
Because: COME ON.
posted by Mezentian at 7:16 AM on March 18, 2016


Guys, Die Hard exists, no need to fight.

Die Hard did not age well. Or rather did not age in the manner I expected. At the time it was The Greatest Action Movie of All Time to me, and now its value is as the Platonic Ideal of '80s action camp.

Granted I was a kid at the time, but hoo boy did I not see how goddamn goofy that film is.
posted by middleclasstool at 8:16 AM on March 18, 2016


Granted I was a kid at the time, but hoo boy did I not see how goddamn goofy that film is.

Die Hard is a goddamned American classic and I'll fight anyone who says otherwise.
posted by The Man from Lardfork at 12:17 PM on March 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


High Rise has a building in it, and is therefore just a ripoff of The Raid.
posted by Artw at 12:44 PM on March 18, 2016


Luke Cage teaser
posted by Artw at 12:53 PM on March 18, 2016 [1 favorite]




As... a good thing? I haven't had a chance to start the season yet, but the Punisher is considered an anti-hero for a good reason.
posted by dinty_moore at 2:11 PM on March 18, 2016


People who miss that are always kind of worrying to me.
posted by Artw at 2:27 PM on March 18, 2016


It sounds to me like he's saying not a good thing, but he's being vague so who knows.
posted by middleclasstool at 5:38 PM on March 18, 2016


The Raid III: Dredd Vs High Rise.
posted by Mezentian at 6:48 PM on March 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


I've seen the first two and I'm pretty sure he meant guns == bad. NOT REALLY SPOILERS BUT THEMATIC STUFF, SO KINDA: The Punisher is portrayed as having a somewhat sympathetic moral code but is otherwise regarded unequivocally as a threat and a possible indictment of what must follow naturally from someone like Daredevil being embraced by the public.
posted by middleclasstool at 6:32 AM on March 19, 2016


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