“Whatever happened to predictability?”
February 29, 2016 9:05 AM Subscribe
On Friday, Netflix released Season One of Fuller House, and the reviews are in.
Leaving ‘Full House’ Was His Biggest Regret. So He Rebuilt It.
Rolling Stone's 10 Most WTF Moments From Netflix's 'Fuller House'
MTV: So, without further ado, here are 13 things you need to know before binging Fuller House on February 26.
Vanity Fair: Fuller House Is the TV Nostalgia We Deserve
Vox: Fuller House review: Netflix's Full House sequel isn't just a bad show. It's an inescapable nightmare.
Rob Has a Podcast (2 hours): Rob Cesternino welcomes RHAP legend, Eric Stein, back to the podcast after he watched all 13 episodes of season 1 of FULLER HOUSE in a row. Find out Eric’s take on the Netflix series and other takeaways from the new show.
Leaving ‘Full House’ Was His Biggest Regret. So He Rebuilt It.
Rolling Stone's 10 Most WTF Moments From Netflix's 'Fuller House'
MTV: So, without further ado, here are 13 things you need to know before binging Fuller House on February 26.
Vanity Fair: Fuller House Is the TV Nostalgia We Deserve
Vox: Fuller House review: Netflix's Full House sequel isn't just a bad show. It's an inescapable nightmare.
Rob Has a Podcast (2 hours): Rob Cesternino welcomes RHAP legend, Eric Stein, back to the podcast after he watched all 13 episodes of season 1 of FULLER HOUSE in a row. Find out Eric’s take on the Netflix series and other takeaways from the new show.
I believe that's a "thumbs up" icon, but on first glance, I thought it was 💩 (pile of poop), which also seemed appropriate.
posted by filthy light thief at 9:09 AM on February 29, 2016 [3 favorites]
posted by filthy light thief at 9:09 AM on February 29, 2016 [3 favorites]
It's okay, but it's no "Too Many Cooks."
posted by Faint of Butt at 9:10 AM on February 29, 2016 [77 favorites]
posted by Faint of Butt at 9:10 AM on February 29, 2016 [77 favorites]
Never having watched the original, it was .... okay.
posted by the man of twists and turns at 9:11 AM on February 29, 2016 [3 favorites]
posted by the man of twists and turns at 9:11 AM on February 29, 2016 [3 favorites]
for me, the Onion A.V. Club had the best description: Netflix’s Fuller House is like a porn parody without the porn
I watched the first two episodes; "inescapable nightmare" is definitely also apt
posted by Kybard at 9:11 AM on February 29, 2016 [12 favorites]
I watched the first two episodes; "inescapable nightmare" is definitely also apt
posted by Kybard at 9:11 AM on February 29, 2016 [12 favorites]
You have absolutely no idea how much I've been waiting for Full House Reviewed to get on this. I'm sure he's writing it right now. The man is an artist.
posted by Melismata at 9:12 AM on February 29, 2016 [12 favorites]
posted by Melismata at 9:12 AM on February 29, 2016 [12 favorites]
I went in willing to cut it a lot of slack, to simply experience the nostalgia and consider it for my kids, who are not quality freaks when it comes to TV and didn't grow up on the original. The nostalgia burned out in about five minutes, and I felt like I couldn't recommend it to them in good conscience. So, we're watching DVDs of the original instead.
posted by SpacemanStix at 9:13 AM on February 29, 2016 [3 favorites]
posted by SpacemanStix at 9:13 AM on February 29, 2016 [3 favorites]
I should say that I binged the whole season, because I am a masochist. It was truly terrible, with the exception of the little boy playing Max, who is great.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 9:16 AM on February 29, 2016 [2 favorites]
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 9:16 AM on February 29, 2016 [2 favorites]
Oh, they're singing "predictability?"
I could never figure out what it was the theme song was lamenting there. Lyrics could really confound you back in the pre-internet days. I remember getting into a bitter, heated argument over what they were saying in the Duck Tales theme with a friend of mine. He later went on to appear in a single episode of Full House as Stephanie's boyfriend.
Seriously though, Full House was terrible, so it seems proper that Fuller House should carry on its legacy by being likewise awful. I am frequently bemused by the nostalgia (?) expressed for it by people who were too damn young to have seen it when it originally aired, but then I remember that my generational cohort got really into The Brady Bunch for awhile. Syndication is a powerful drug, I guess is the lesson there.
posted by prize bull octorok at 9:17 AM on February 29, 2016 [23 favorites]
I could never figure out what it was the theme song was lamenting there. Lyrics could really confound you back in the pre-internet days. I remember getting into a bitter, heated argument over what they were saying in the Duck Tales theme with a friend of mine. He later went on to appear in a single episode of Full House as Stephanie's boyfriend.
Seriously though, Full House was terrible, so it seems proper that Fuller House should carry on its legacy by being likewise awful. I am frequently bemused by the nostalgia (?) expressed for it by people who were too damn young to have seen it when it originally aired, but then I remember that my generational cohort got really into The Brady Bunch for awhile. Syndication is a powerful drug, I guess is the lesson there.
posted by prize bull octorok at 9:17 AM on February 29, 2016 [23 favorites]
So much snark. So much nastiness in these reviews. "If you can't say anything nice, come sit by me."
posted by ocschwar at 9:18 AM on February 29, 2016 [7 favorites]
posted by ocschwar at 9:18 AM on February 29, 2016 [7 favorites]
I remember getting into a bitter, heated argument over what they were saying in the Duck Tales theme with a friend of mine.
I was trying to figure out why you didn't just look it up on the internet by pulling out your smartphone, and then I remembered that we all just liked to debate for the fun of it in those days.
posted by SpacemanStix at 9:19 AM on February 29, 2016 [5 favorites]
I was trying to figure out why you didn't just look it up on the internet by pulling out your smartphone, and then I remembered that we all just liked to debate for the fun of it in those days.
posted by SpacemanStix at 9:19 AM on February 29, 2016 [5 favorites]
prize bull octorok, predictability is difficult to hear because it's misaccented in the rhythm of the song.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 9:20 AM on February 29, 2016 [3 favorites]
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 9:20 AM on February 29, 2016 [3 favorites]
I watched it, even though I wasn't a fan of the original, because I was curious and once I started watching it, I could not stop. I just needed to see the next moment of cringe-inducing awfulness.
I was surprised to find that of all the cast (including the grown-ups of old), noted meth-head Jodie Sweetin seems to be the only one with any comic timing. Not that she's given much to work with in terms of actual comedy, but she at least seems to know how to move through a moment.
posted by jacquilynne at 9:21 AM on February 29, 2016 [6 favorites]
I was surprised to find that of all the cast (including the grown-ups of old), noted meth-head Jodie Sweetin seems to be the only one with any comic timing. Not that she's given much to work with in terms of actual comedy, but she at least seems to know how to move through a moment.
posted by jacquilynne at 9:21 AM on February 29, 2016 [6 favorites]
My absolutely favorite part of the AV Club review (and I think all reviews I've read) was this:
Who wouldn't watch that prequel?
posted by tittergrrl at 9:21 AM on February 29, 2016 [111 favorites]
The idea of D.J. moving back into her childhood home and asking Stephanie and Kimmy to help raise her three boys following her husband’s death probably sounded great in the pitch meeting. But on screen it’s downright depressing, and creator Jeff Franklin should consider doing an episode that flashes back to colonial times to show the origin of the generational curse that strikes down the spouses of Tanner heirs after a third child is born.
Who wouldn't watch that prequel?
posted by tittergrrl at 9:21 AM on February 29, 2016 [111 favorites]
I was all like WTF Fuller House!? That is clearly not a geodesic dome. Or even a dymaxion...
posted by rodlymight at 9:22 AM on February 29, 2016 [68 favorites]
posted by rodlymight at 9:22 AM on February 29, 2016 [68 favorites]
What's that German word where you feel embarrassed for everyone involved?
posted by entropicamericana at 9:24 AM on February 29, 2016 [4 favorites]
posted by entropicamericana at 9:24 AM on February 29, 2016 [4 favorites]
What's that German word where you feel embarrassed for everyone involved?
I don't know about German, but I think the French word for it is "coulier".
posted by Etrigan at 9:26 AM on February 29, 2016 [101 favorites]
I don't know about German, but I think the French word for it is "coulier".
posted by Etrigan at 9:26 AM on February 29, 2016 [101 favorites]
entropicamericana: "What's that German word where you feel embarrassed for everyone involved?"
fremdschämen
posted by bigendian at 9:27 AM on February 29, 2016 [19 favorites]
fremdschämen
posted by bigendian at 9:27 AM on February 29, 2016 [19 favorites]
PSA: Daily Beast article on the show's awfulness: "It is a mess of a TV show that lasted forever. And now, because a bunch of people at Netflix stared at an Excel document called BelovedButCanceled.XLS [link] in a board room once but never bothered to actually go back and watch a single episode, Full House is coming back."
posted by Melismata at 9:27 AM on February 29, 2016 [8 favorites]
posted by Melismata at 9:27 AM on February 29, 2016 [8 favorites]
Sorry, but there can be only one Uncle Jesse.
posted by Atom Eyes at 9:28 AM on February 29, 2016 [12 favorites]
posted by Atom Eyes at 9:28 AM on February 29, 2016 [12 favorites]
It's a kids show, and it's not as bad as people are making it out to be.
Except it's clearly not, for two reasons:
1. Kids are not going to understand a great deal of the "humour" in the show, because it rests on callbacks to the original which they have probably not seen.
2. Kids are not going to understand a great deal of the rest of the "humour" on the show, because there are an awful lot of very in-your-face sex jokes for a family show.
posted by jacquilynne at 9:35 AM on February 29, 2016 [7 favorites]
Except it's clearly not, for two reasons:
1. Kids are not going to understand a great deal of the "humour" in the show, because it rests on callbacks to the original which they have probably not seen.
2. Kids are not going to understand a great deal of the rest of the "humour" on the show, because there are an awful lot of very in-your-face sex jokes for a family show.
posted by jacquilynne at 9:35 AM on February 29, 2016 [7 favorites]
I watched the first few episodes. It's really not that different from the original. Corny jokes and all. I don't know if people expected something else, but what I saw seemed like Full House.
posted by downtohisturtles at 9:37 AM on February 29, 2016
posted by downtohisturtles at 9:37 AM on February 29, 2016
I watched the first five, and I actually was impressed that it felt about the same as a mid-90s Full House episode. They did a good job capturing the tone and rhythm of a classic TGIF sitcom.
This was perhaps one of my bigger complaints. It was obvious that they were trying to do this, but it came across as trying to rediscover forgotten technology, or learning a lost motor skill again. Sort of clumsy and a little bit off, although it might have gotten better given enough time.
posted by SpacemanStix at 9:37 AM on February 29, 2016 [2 favorites]
This was perhaps one of my bigger complaints. It was obvious that they were trying to do this, but it came across as trying to rediscover forgotten technology, or learning a lost motor skill again. Sort of clumsy and a little bit off, although it might have gotten better given enough time.
posted by SpacemanStix at 9:37 AM on February 29, 2016 [2 favorites]
I always thought the line was "whatever happened to dependability?" It's not. I'm having a serious Berenstain Bears moment.
posted by Metroid Baby at 9:41 AM on February 29, 2016 [7 favorites]
posted by Metroid Baby at 9:41 AM on February 29, 2016 [7 favorites]
This popped up at the top of the UK Netflix home page. No clue it was the follow up to something else. I lasted 45 seconds. They seemed keen on having people mugging a lot.
posted by biffa at 9:42 AM on February 29, 2016
posted by biffa at 9:42 AM on February 29, 2016
it came across as trying to rediscover forgotten technology, or learning a lost motor skill again. Sort of clumsy and a little bit off,
I feel like this is the problem with all of these revisited old shows; you can't capture exactly what made it work twice, and the ceiling is like 75% of the quality of the original. I don't know why people clamor for them. The Gilmore Girls revisit will be, at best, like an episode of the original series that you sort of liked, but somehow people are still excited. I don't get it. It feels like people keep touching the stove expecting that this time, instead of getting burned, they'll get their dream second season of Firefly.
posted by Bulgaroktonos at 9:43 AM on February 29, 2016 [12 favorites]
I feel like this is the problem with all of these revisited old shows; you can't capture exactly what made it work twice, and the ceiling is like 75% of the quality of the original. I don't know why people clamor for them. The Gilmore Girls revisit will be, at best, like an episode of the original series that you sort of liked, but somehow people are still excited. I don't get it. It feels like people keep touching the stove expecting that this time, instead of getting burned, they'll get their dream second season of Firefly.
posted by Bulgaroktonos at 9:43 AM on February 29, 2016 [12 favorites]
I have to say I did enjoy the gag that Stephanie is a professional DJ whose stage name is "DJ Tanner" and she doesn't get why her sister DJ is a perturbed at that. I didn't enjoy it enough to watch more than 10 minutes, but still.
posted by Rock Steady at 9:46 AM on February 29, 2016 [26 favorites]
posted by Rock Steady at 9:46 AM on February 29, 2016 [26 favorites]
I feel like this is the problem with all of these revisited old shows; you can't capture exactly what made it work twice, and the ceiling is like 75% of the quality of the original.
Battlestar Galactica.
posted by Etrigan at 9:46 AM on February 29, 2016 [18 favorites]
Battlestar Galactica.
posted by Etrigan at 9:46 AM on February 29, 2016 [18 favorites]
Also, just want to note that online television criticism (particularly episode capsules) is the real inescapable nightmare, and we should be fighting the real enemy.
FTFY
posted by Celsius1414 at 9:47 AM on February 29, 2016 [2 favorites]
FTFY
posted by Celsius1414 at 9:47 AM on February 29, 2016 [2 favorites]
The BSG reboot is different than what is currently happening with Arrested Development, Full House, the X-Files, Gilmore Girls, etc.
posted by Rock Steady at 9:48 AM on February 29, 2016 [6 favorites]
posted by Rock Steady at 9:48 AM on February 29, 2016 [6 favorites]
I feel like BSG is a special case though, because it was such a different show. It more felt like "I have a story I want to tell and this old show gives me a framework to sell it" and less like "hey people loved this, let's do more."
posted by Bulgaroktonos at 9:49 AM on February 29, 2016 [12 favorites]
posted by Bulgaroktonos at 9:49 AM on February 29, 2016 [12 favorites]
I believe that's a "thumbs up" icon, but on first glance, I thought it was 💩 (pile of poop), which also seemed appropriate.
It was a sarcastic jab at the whole "You got it dude!" thing that Michelle you used to say. And the thumbs up is me agreeing that it's a nightmare come to life.
As an aside, I think it's hilarious that you can italicize poo emoji.
posted by Fizz at 9:49 AM on February 29, 2016 [25 favorites]
It was a sarcastic jab at the whole "You got it dude!" thing that Michelle you used to say. And the thumbs up is me agreeing that it's a nightmare come to life.
As an aside, I think it's hilarious that you can italicize poo emoji.
posted by Fizz at 9:49 AM on February 29, 2016 [25 favorites]
If the Gilmore Girls reboot is bad, I'm going to cry.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 9:50 AM on February 29, 2016 [5 favorites]
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 9:50 AM on February 29, 2016 [5 favorites]
The BSG reboot is different than what is currently happening with Arrested Development, Full House, the X-Files, Gilmore Girls, etc.
Yes, but people were saying pretty much the same things about BSG before it happened. Reboots never worked, until one spectacularly did (I didn't mention Star Trek, because there will always be people who prefer TOS to TNG et al; no one says "Eh, Galactica 1980 was the real ending..."). Similarly, revisitings will never work, until one does.
posted by Etrigan at 9:51 AM on February 29, 2016
Yes, but people were saying pretty much the same things about BSG before it happened. Reboots never worked, until one spectacularly did (I didn't mention Star Trek, because there will always be people who prefer TOS to TNG et al; no one says "Eh, Galactica 1980 was the real ending..."). Similarly, revisitings will never work, until one does.
posted by Etrigan at 9:51 AM on February 29, 2016
I don't have Netflix so I haven't seen the show- but I like connecting with the past and I like historical recreation and keeping connection with our ancestors and earlier selves and even think it build health and stability to maintain those connections. I can't say if this show is really terrible or not, but I will say I enjoy the resurgence of 80's culture, many of those things become more than what they once were and I'm a fan of symbolism and cultural traditions to create stability and meaning in our lives. I think it's cool.
Personally I care about the actors (well in fact everyone in my life, people who work at stores and restaurants I go to etc) and I feel like we tend to use up and discard people in industries based on what they can do for us and I don't like that. I want to know, what happened to you after you got fired, what happened to you when you disappeared?
I think some of I is nostalgia and some of it is empathy. Which is really a good thing. It shouldn't be so easy to discard people from our hearts.
posted by xarnop at 9:51 AM on February 29, 2016 [3 favorites]
Personally I care about the actors (well in fact everyone in my life, people who work at stores and restaurants I go to etc) and I feel like we tend to use up and discard people in industries based on what they can do for us and I don't like that. I want to know, what happened to you after you got fired, what happened to you when you disappeared?
I think some of I is nostalgia and some of it is empathy. Which is really a good thing. It shouldn't be so easy to discard people from our hearts.
posted by xarnop at 9:51 AM on February 29, 2016 [3 favorites]
I thought it was fine - the middle kid is a scenery chewer but pretty fun. I thought the original was fine too, but I was a kid and it has nostalgic value.
I think they could have cut down a LOT on all the "We have smartphones now" humor, as that seemed pretty dated. Even Modern Family doesn't use phones as a plot point all that much, because they're just part of life now. Fuller House made them conspicuous. Half the jokes are about selfies and texts, and the other half are about how weird it is that the Tanner/Gibbler girls have sex and stuff.
posted by zutalors! at 9:52 AM on February 29, 2016 [1 favorite]
I think they could have cut down a LOT on all the "We have smartphones now" humor, as that seemed pretty dated. Even Modern Family doesn't use phones as a plot point all that much, because they're just part of life now. Fuller House made them conspicuous. Half the jokes are about selfies and texts, and the other half are about how weird it is that the Tanner/Gibbler girls have sex and stuff.
posted by zutalors! at 9:52 AM on February 29, 2016 [1 favorite]
I'm pretty sure I'm the intended audience for this show. And yet, when I think of its namesake, mostly what I recall is the role the original Full House filled in my early-90's life: it was the half hour of dreck you had to sit through between Ninja Turtles and The Simpsons in syndication on the local Fox affiliate.
posted by Mayor West at 9:52 AM on February 29, 2016 [9 favorites]
posted by Mayor West at 9:52 AM on February 29, 2016 [9 favorites]
Battlestar Galactica.
This was the first thing I thought of. It didn't work for some, but it worked well for most because BSG didn't simply copy its earlier life blindly, but rebooted and reinvented itself -- most notably by becoming a Drama series set in a Sci-Fi universe rather than just being a Sci-Fi series.
You can see this, too, in Star Trek. It's been rebooted enough times, that you can tell when the shows tried to bootstrap off the world but tell something novel and interesting (even if not everyone's cup of Tea, Earl Grey, Hot) [TNG, some of VOY, and pretty much everything about DS9], and when they just tried to copy whatever they though people liked about earlier iterations without thinking about what would work for the situation they're developing [every second of ENT, and about half of VOY].
posted by mystyk at 9:53 AM on February 29, 2016
This was the first thing I thought of. It didn't work for some, but it worked well for most because BSG didn't simply copy its earlier life blindly, but rebooted and reinvented itself -- most notably by becoming a Drama series set in a Sci-Fi universe rather than just being a Sci-Fi series.
You can see this, too, in Star Trek. It's been rebooted enough times, that you can tell when the shows tried to bootstrap off the world but tell something novel and interesting (even if not everyone's cup of Tea, Earl Grey, Hot) [TNG, some of VOY, and pretty much everything about DS9], and when they just tried to copy whatever they though people liked about earlier iterations without thinking about what would work for the situation they're developing [every second of ENT, and about half of VOY].
posted by mystyk at 9:53 AM on February 29, 2016
It's as if none of you know how to ratchet down your expectations so you can enjoy something cheesy. I gnawed on this block of Kraft American with aplomb- the dumbest thing I've enjoyed in recent history, it's so bad and not apologetic about it in the slightest. But oh man the nostalgia for my TGIF days is strong.
posted by BuddhaInABucket at 9:59 AM on February 29, 2016 [9 favorites]
posted by BuddhaInABucket at 9:59 AM on February 29, 2016 [9 favorites]
We watched the first half of the first episode this weekend, which was about as long as I could take horrible forced nostalgia before cracking.
Also, this from the Vox review: One of the more horrifying things about living in the Full House universe seems to be that once you find your first childhood crush, you are destined to be with that person forever.
There is an entire series of romance novels where this is the organizing plotline -- there is a town in Texas, and if you fall in love for the first time in that town, then that's it, that's the only person you'll ever be able to be happy with. They're intended as heartwarming romances. I've never been able to figure out why this trope isn't played for horror.
posted by pie ninja at 9:59 AM on February 29, 2016 [24 favorites]
Also, this from the Vox review: One of the more horrifying things about living in the Full House universe seems to be that once you find your first childhood crush, you are destined to be with that person forever.
There is an entire series of romance novels where this is the organizing plotline -- there is a town in Texas, and if you fall in love for the first time in that town, then that's it, that's the only person you'll ever be able to be happy with. They're intended as heartwarming romances. I've never been able to figure out why this trope isn't played for horror.
posted by pie ninja at 9:59 AM on February 29, 2016 [24 favorites]
It was always a mystery to me by people ever watched that awful mawkish show back when it originally aired. I was even more surprised that there was appetite for a new version of it. De gustibus non est disputandum and all that I guess.
posted by fimbulvetr at 9:59 AM on February 29, 2016
posted by fimbulvetr at 9:59 AM on February 29, 2016
Melismata: "Reviewed"
Melismata: "You have absolutely no idea how much I've been waiting for Full House Reviewed to get on this. I'm sure he's writing it right now. The man is an artist."
He's on it.
posted by Chrysostom at 9:59 AM on February 29, 2016 [2 favorites]
Melismata: "You have absolutely no idea how much I've been waiting for Full House Reviewed to get on this. I'm sure he's writing it right now. The man is an artist."
He's on it.
posted by Chrysostom at 9:59 AM on February 29, 2016 [2 favorites]
From the Redemption of Jodie Sweetin article:
From the original series, with the exception of some horrid semi-racist ethnic caricatures/stereotypes, most of the show was white. I can recall Stephanie battling some smart Asian at the spelling bee. And there was that time Uncle Jesse went to Japan and the Full House idea of what living in Japan is, basically what I expected it to be, not good. Steve Urkel from Family Matters showed up in one episode. Hmm, what else? I cannot recall any of the main characters having an interracial relationship or date with anyone.
I hope that this series at least improves upon that one aspect of the show.
posted by Fizz at 10:02 AM on February 29, 2016
And while the Tanners remain as white as ever, there is a stroke of modernity to the current set-up. Women now run the house like a coven. “It’s a girl-power vibe,” says Sweetin, who has swapped her bustier for a cozy cardigan post-shoot. “My daughters all have aunties who help out. It takes a village.”That was one of the first questions that popped into my head when I was about 15 minutes into the first episode of Fuller House, "Is this going to be just as white as the original series?" While I applaud that the focus has shifted to a female household, there are still a lot of white faces on screen. I haven't watched the entire reboot/season. So, maybe someone else can answer if there are more visible minorities.
From the original series, with the exception of some horrid semi-racist ethnic caricatures/stereotypes, most of the show was white. I can recall Stephanie battling some smart Asian at the spelling bee. And there was that time Uncle Jesse went to Japan and the Full House idea of what living in Japan is, basically what I expected it to be, not good. Steve Urkel from Family Matters showed up in one episode. Hmm, what else? I cannot recall any of the main characters having an interracial relationship or date with anyone.
I hope that this series at least improves upon that one aspect of the show.
posted by Fizz at 10:02 AM on February 29, 2016
and if you fall in love for the first time in that town, then that's it, that's the only person you'll ever be able to be happy with
when i was 4 i fell in love with a fire truck
what the hell goes on in texas
posted by poffin boffin at 10:03 AM on February 29, 2016 [32 favorites]
when i was 4 i fell in love with a fire truck
what the hell goes on in texas
posted by poffin boffin at 10:03 AM on February 29, 2016 [32 favorites]
"If you can't say anything nice, come sit by me."
Is that from the sermon on the mount
posted by grobstein at 10:05 AM on February 29, 2016 [10 favorites]
Is that from the sermon on the mount
posted by grobstein at 10:05 AM on February 29, 2016 [10 favorites]
I haven't watched the entire reboot/season. So, maybe someone else can answer if there are more visible minorities.
Kimmy's husband Fernando is played by an actor named Juan Pablo Di Pace, from Argentina, and I believe the girl playing their daughter is from Spain.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 10:05 AM on February 29, 2016 [2 favorites]
Kimmy's husband Fernando is played by an actor named Juan Pablo Di Pace, from Argentina, and I believe the girl playing their daughter is from Spain.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 10:05 AM on February 29, 2016 [2 favorites]
I hope that this series improves upon that one aspect of the show.
DJ's oldest son has a big crush on an Asian girl at his school. Kimmy's ex husband is Argentine - though sort of a broad stereotype of a "hot blooded Latin." They do make some jokes about how white the Tanners are.
posted by zutalors! at 10:05 AM on February 29, 2016
It shouldn't be so easy to discard people from our hearts.
Is this where I jump in with my Alanis Morissette joke
posted by prize bull octorok at 10:06 AM on February 29, 2016 [14 favorites]
Is this where I jump in with my Alanis Morissette joke
posted by prize bull octorok at 10:06 AM on February 29, 2016 [14 favorites]
Man, these Full House retreads worked better when they had a horse playing Danny Tanner.
posted by koeselitz at 10:06 AM on February 29, 2016 [20 favorites]
posted by koeselitz at 10:06 AM on February 29, 2016 [20 favorites]
From the Full House Reviewed guy: Think about this, you guys: the blackest person to ever set foot in the Full House was Urkel. That’s right, Urkel.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 10:06 AM on February 29, 2016 [12 favorites]
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 10:06 AM on February 29, 2016 [12 favorites]
xarnop: “It shouldn't be so easy to discard people from our hearts.”
prize bull octorok: “Is this where I jump in with my Alanis Morissette joke”
I was totally waiting for an excuse to post this
posted by koeselitz at 10:09 AM on February 29, 2016 [3 favorites]
prize bull octorok: “Is this where I jump in with my Alanis Morissette joke”
I was totally waiting for an excuse to post this
posted by koeselitz at 10:09 AM on February 29, 2016 [3 favorites]
Holy chalupas!
posted by stevil at 10:10 AM on February 29, 2016 [2 favorites]
posted by stevil at 10:10 AM on February 29, 2016 [2 favorites]
Kimmy Gibbler Kama Sutra is the title of my band's next album.
posted by stevil at 10:11 AM on February 29, 2016 [6 favorites]
posted by stevil at 10:11 AM on February 29, 2016 [6 favorites]
It's one thing for me to go back and watch old TOS Star Trek episodes. I sort of cringe at how they're chewing the scenery, but it's fascinating to see how the show grew and what they were dealing with in the context of the time period. I wouldn't want them to make the new Trek show so that it was virtually identical, foam rubber scenery and all. If I want more of what Full House was, from time to time, what I didn't want was this many episodes of exactly the same show it was before, even if I loved it as a kid. I already watched that show and grew up and moved on. The fact that I sometimes want to revisit my childhood doesn't mean I want to live there for an extended period. I guess the thing that bugs me more than using the same jokes and set and the same lack of diversity is that nobody seems to have grown up into someone you wouldn't expect. Nobody's changed.
And I think of that TOS episode where McCoy runs into this woman he loved, looking exactly the way she did years before, and it's not all happy nostalgia. She's a monster.
posted by Sequence at 10:11 AM on February 29, 2016 [2 favorites]
And I think of that TOS episode where McCoy runs into this woman he loved, looking exactly the way she did years before, and it's not all happy nostalgia. She's a monster.
posted by Sequence at 10:11 AM on February 29, 2016 [2 favorites]
Is this something I'd have to have a TV and inexplicably choose to watch terrible shows to understand?
posted by The Tensor at 10:11 AM on February 29, 2016 [4 favorites]
posted by The Tensor at 10:11 AM on February 29, 2016 [4 favorites]
NYT Review: ‘Full House’ Sequel Is a Forced March Down Memory Lane
posted by stevil at 10:11 AM on February 29, 2016 [1 favorite]
posted by stevil at 10:11 AM on February 29, 2016 [1 favorite]
Is this something I'd have to have a TV and inexplicably choose to watch terrible shows to understand?
Nah, you can get it on Netflix.
posted by TheWhiteSkull at 10:13 AM on February 29, 2016 [6 favorites]
Nah, you can get it on Netflix.
posted by TheWhiteSkull at 10:13 AM on February 29, 2016 [6 favorites]
I figured out what this reboot feels like to me. It's the part in Ground Hogs Day when Bill Murray figures out the pattern to make a a perfect day, but when he tries to hard, it all goes to hell.
Netflix has said that they've figured out some of the secret sauce for why people like certain shows, and they'll try to build around those variables. I feel like they found a few of the variables that we want in nostalgic reboots, and then tried too hard.
posted by SpacemanStix at 10:15 AM on February 29, 2016 [1 favorite]
Netflix has said that they've figured out some of the secret sauce for why people like certain shows, and they'll try to build around those variables. I feel like they found a few of the variables that we want in nostalgic reboots, and then tried too hard.
posted by SpacemanStix at 10:15 AM on February 29, 2016 [1 favorite]
noted meth-head Jodie Sweetin
Jesus, what'd she do to you?
If the Gilmore Girls reboot is bad, I'm going to cry.
Honestly, if it's good you're going to cry too.
posted by ODiV at 10:15 AM on February 29, 2016 [7 favorites]
Jesus, what'd she do to you?
If the Gilmore Girls reboot is bad, I'm going to cry.
Honestly, if it's good you're going to cry too.
posted by ODiV at 10:15 AM on February 29, 2016 [7 favorites]
Ok, now that I've read that Jodie Sweetin article, I'm kind of pulling for the show to make it.
and her pumpkin-headed infant is played by twin actors who don’t totally know what they are in for yet.
OMG I love this whole mess so, so much.
posted by Melismata at 10:17 AM on February 29, 2016 [9 favorites]
and her pumpkin-headed infant is played by twin actors who don’t totally know what they are in for yet.
OMG I love this whole mess so, so much.
posted by Melismata at 10:17 AM on February 29, 2016 [9 favorites]
I watch this because I delight in imagining that everything goes full Bojack Horseman as soon as the camera stops rolling.
posted by Sauce Trough at 10:17 AM on February 29, 2016 [18 favorites]
posted by Sauce Trough at 10:17 AM on February 29, 2016 [18 favorites]
From the Full House Reviewed guy: Think about this, you guys: the blackest person to ever set foot in the Full House was Urkel. That’s right, Urkel.
What. Denise and Teddy were the only redeeming factors of the "school-age Michelle" period.
posted by Ufez Jones at 10:19 AM on February 29, 2016 [13 favorites]
What. Denise and Teddy were the only redeeming factors of the "school-age Michelle" period.
posted by Ufez Jones at 10:19 AM on February 29, 2016 [13 favorites]
posted by slogger at 10:19 AM on February 29, 2016 [6 favorites]
Oh, yeah, how did he miss Denise and Teddy?
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 10:20 AM on February 29, 2016
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 10:20 AM on February 29, 2016
Gilmore Girls cannot possibly live up to my Rory + Paris Forever wishes, so I probably won't be watching it.
when i was 4 i fell in love with a fire truck
Hey, there's a lot worse out there.
On topic: I did not know why anyone would love the first series, so I do not know why anyone would watch this one, unless/except they did have some sort of Black Mirror-ish reveal that they were all living in a simulation all along. But it would hardly count as a "twist" so you'd need more than that.
posted by emjaybee at 10:22 AM on February 29, 2016 [1 favorite]
when i was 4 i fell in love with a fire truck
Hey, there's a lot worse out there.
On topic: I did not know why anyone would love the first series, so I do not know why anyone would watch this one, unless/except they did have some sort of Black Mirror-ish reveal that they were all living in a simulation all along. But it would hardly count as a "twist" so you'd need more than that.
posted by emjaybee at 10:22 AM on February 29, 2016 [1 favorite]
probably should also mention the great and powerful Michete, the self-proclaimed "rap game Kimmy Gibbler"
posted by koeselitz at 10:24 AM on February 29, 2016
posted by koeselitz at 10:24 AM on February 29, 2016
My comments earlier on the whiteness of the original Full House is not just a criticism that I'd reserve for this particular show. There was a lot of cringe-worthy moments from the 90s T.G.I.F block of television. Sadly, just a part of the fabric of television back then.
posted by Fizz at 10:24 AM on February 29, 2016
posted by Fizz at 10:24 AM on February 29, 2016
Yes, as I've said before, we've already seen a remake of Full House, and it's called Bojack Horseman.
(How I adore Bojack Horseman.)
posted by fiercecupcake at 10:26 AM on February 29, 2016 [15 favorites]
(How I adore Bojack Horseman.)
posted by fiercecupcake at 10:26 AM on February 29, 2016 [15 favorites]
Lots of Fuller House talk on the latest MBMBAM and to me it's like The Bachelor: something I never really want to watch, but I'll listen to the McElroys talk about it any time.
posted by kmz at 10:27 AM on February 29, 2016 [1 favorite]
posted by kmz at 10:27 AM on February 29, 2016 [1 favorite]
roomthreeseventeen: "Oh, yeah, how did he miss Denise and Teddy?"
I think the PTSD gave him a lot of memory gaps.
posted by Chrysostom at 10:27 AM on February 29, 2016 [2 favorites]
I think the PTSD gave him a lot of memory gaps.
posted by Chrysostom at 10:27 AM on February 29, 2016 [2 favorites]
Hmm… I'll admit I've been pretty skeptical of Fuller House, but these reviews make it seem rather enjoyable. I think I'll give it a try.
posted by yeolcoatl at 10:29 AM on February 29, 2016 [2 favorites]
posted by yeolcoatl at 10:29 AM on February 29, 2016 [2 favorites]
That was one of the first questions that popped into my head when I was about 15 minutes into the first episode of Fuller House, "Is this going to be just as white as the original series?" While I applaud that the focus has shifted to a female household, there are still a lot of white faces on screen. I haven't watched the entire reboot/season. So, maybe someone else can answer if there are more visible minorities.
So the only reason I am aware of Fuller House is because I was just on a weekend cabin trip with my Japanese American young professionals group and for some reason everyone decided to start watching this on Sunday morning. (The fact that everyone there was super nostalgic for Full House just goes to show that we are seriously stretching the definition of "young" as well as "Japanese American" and "professional," but that's beside the point.) I didn't have TV growing up, never watched Full House, and don't have an opinion on it either way, but it was really funny and interesting to me how much all these Asian Americans in their thirties were LOVING this show, set in our own beautiful diverse city, that's soooo white, white, white. In fact it was one of the two white people on the trip who was like "Guys, this show seriously sucks" and made things super awkward.
I didn't actually watch the entire thing but it had a kind of "this is the background noise of your childhood" quality to it that was oddly soothing.
Later I googled it and found out that Carly Rae Jepsen sings the theme song for the reboot. I approve of this.
posted by sunset in snow country at 10:30 AM on February 29, 2016 [5 favorites]
So the only reason I am aware of Fuller House is because I was just on a weekend cabin trip with my Japanese American young professionals group and for some reason everyone decided to start watching this on Sunday morning. (The fact that everyone there was super nostalgic for Full House just goes to show that we are seriously stretching the definition of "young" as well as "Japanese American" and "professional," but that's beside the point.) I didn't have TV growing up, never watched Full House, and don't have an opinion on it either way, but it was really funny and interesting to me how much all these Asian Americans in their thirties were LOVING this show, set in our own beautiful diverse city, that's soooo white, white, white. In fact it was one of the two white people on the trip who was like "Guys, this show seriously sucks" and made things super awkward.
I didn't actually watch the entire thing but it had a kind of "this is the background noise of your childhood" quality to it that was oddly soothing.
Later I googled it and found out that Carly Rae Jepsen sings the theme song for the reboot. I approve of this.
posted by sunset in snow country at 10:30 AM on February 29, 2016 [5 favorites]
My own experience with watching the original series was based primarily on a few factors:
1) The show was family friendly and thus sanctioned by my parents as an acceptable form of television. My sister and I found ways around this but when we were in their presence, there was a certain type of programming that we were NOT allowed to watch, so television shows like this, ended up on the screen. It was a safe choice. Easy to watch.
2) It was on television. So much of my viewing habits from the early to late 90s was centered around the fact that it was just on television, it was something to watch, to pass the time. You watched a tv series simply because it was something that was on your television set.
posted by Fizz at 10:36 AM on February 29, 2016 [11 favorites]
1) The show was family friendly and thus sanctioned by my parents as an acceptable form of television. My sister and I found ways around this but when we were in their presence, there was a certain type of programming that we were NOT allowed to watch, so television shows like this, ended up on the screen. It was a safe choice. Easy to watch.
2) It was on television. So much of my viewing habits from the early to late 90s was centered around the fact that it was just on television, it was something to watch, to pass the time. You watched a tv series simply because it was something that was on your television set.
posted by Fizz at 10:36 AM on February 29, 2016 [11 favorites]
I was surprised to find that of all the cast (including the grown-ups of old), noted meth-head Jodie Sweetin seems to be the only one with any comic timing. Not that she's given much to work with in terms of actual comedy, but she at least seems to know how to move through a moment.
Have not watched the new series, but Sweetin had really strong comedy chops in the original show, even as a little kid. The episodes I liked the most had her bouncing off John Stamos. The thing was, when the Olsen Twins got old enough to talk, the writers gave all the snappy little girl lines to Michelle, and pushed Stephanie aside like the middle child she was. But the Olsen Twins did not have any comic timing, which made the later seasons less enjoyable.
I've met two other people who felt the same way, so I have to believe this is a common grievance with Full House.
posted by riruro at 10:37 AM on February 29, 2016 [17 favorites]
Have not watched the new series, but Sweetin had really strong comedy chops in the original show, even as a little kid. The episodes I liked the most had her bouncing off John Stamos. The thing was, when the Olsen Twins got old enough to talk, the writers gave all the snappy little girl lines to Michelle, and pushed Stephanie aside like the middle child she was. But the Olsen Twins did not have any comic timing, which made the later seasons less enjoyable.
I've met two other people who felt the same way, so I have to believe this is a common grievance with Full House.
posted by riruro at 10:37 AM on February 29, 2016 [17 favorites]
On topic: I did not know why anyone would love the first series, so I do not know why anyone would watch this one, unless/except they did have some sort of Black Mirror-ish reveal that they were all living in a simulation all along.
Well, I did love the first one, but in my defense, I was... six or seven when it started airing? It's literally one of the first non-cartoon shows I can even remember watching. Along with Star Trek TNG, as it happens. But TNG was full of stuff I didn't properly appreciate until re-watching when I was a bit older. I think as a kid, it was... a nontraditional enough family structure that it didn't feel too completely idealized, and yet Stephanie and DJ got to do all these things I didn't get to do, and had a family that seemed to care so much more than mine did. It was definitely a comfort food show, but the new one isn't so much comforting as creepy.
posted by Sequence at 10:39 AM on February 29, 2016 [1 favorite]
Well, I did love the first one, but in my defense, I was... six or seven when it started airing? It's literally one of the first non-cartoon shows I can even remember watching. Along with Star Trek TNG, as it happens. But TNG was full of stuff I didn't properly appreciate until re-watching when I was a bit older. I think as a kid, it was... a nontraditional enough family structure that it didn't feel too completely idealized, and yet Stephanie and DJ got to do all these things I didn't get to do, and had a family that seemed to care so much more than mine did. It was definitely a comfort food show, but the new one isn't so much comforting as creepy.
posted by Sequence at 10:39 AM on February 29, 2016 [1 favorite]
The thing was, when the Olsen Twins got old enough to talk, the writers gave all the snappy little girl lines to Michelle, and pushed Stephanie aside like the middle child she was.
How rude!
posted by downtohisturtles at 10:39 AM on February 29, 2016 [24 favorites]
How rude!
posted by downtohisturtles at 10:39 AM on February 29, 2016 [24 favorites]
prize bull octorok, predictability is difficult to hear because it's misaccented in the rhythm of the song.
Oftentimes these shows have rhymes that are quite unsing-able.
posted by dephlogisticated at 10:41 AM on February 29, 2016
Oftentimes these shows have rhymes that are quite unsing-able.
posted by dephlogisticated at 10:41 AM on February 29, 2016
I have to say I did enjoy the gag that Stephanie is a professional DJ whose stage name is "DJ Tanner" and she doesn't get why her sister DJ is a perturbed at that. I didn't enjoy it enough to watch more than 10 minutes, but still.
A very good joke indeed, albeit one Homestarrunner made years and years ago.
posted by wyndham at 10:50 AM on February 29, 2016 [4 favorites]
A very good joke indeed, albeit one Homestarrunner made years and years ago.
posted by wyndham at 10:50 AM on February 29, 2016 [4 favorites]
Here's what the show would look like if they got San Francisco living right.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 10:51 AM on February 29, 2016 [8 favorites]
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 10:51 AM on February 29, 2016 [8 favorites]
Whatever else comes out of this trainwreck, I look forward to seeing how Bojack Horseman spins it into (extremely bleak) comedy gold.
posted by Parasite Unseen at 10:55 AM on February 29, 2016 [6 favorites]
posted by Parasite Unseen at 10:55 AM on February 29, 2016 [6 favorites]
nevermind
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 11:00 AM on February 29, 2016
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 11:00 AM on February 29, 2016
Parasite Unseen: Whatever else comes out of this trainwreck, I look forward to seeing how Bojack Horseman spins it into (extremely bleak) comedy gold.
Bojack's review of Fuller House: "I think the show's actually pretty solid for what it is. It's not Ibsen, sure—but look, for a lot of people, life is just one long, hard kick in the urethra. And sometimes, when you get home from a long day of getting kicked in the urethra, you just want to watch a show about good, likeable people who love each other. Where, y'know, no matter what happens, at the end of 30 minutes... everything's gonna turn out okay. Y'know, because in real life... Did I already say the thing about the urethra?"
posted by sapagan at 11:07 AM on February 29, 2016 [26 favorites]
Bojack's review of Fuller House: "I think the show's actually pretty solid for what it is. It's not Ibsen, sure—but look, for a lot of people, life is just one long, hard kick in the urethra. And sometimes, when you get home from a long day of getting kicked in the urethra, you just want to watch a show about good, likeable people who love each other. Where, y'know, no matter what happens, at the end of 30 minutes... everything's gonna turn out okay. Y'know, because in real life... Did I already say the thing about the urethra?"
posted by sapagan at 11:07 AM on February 29, 2016 [26 favorites]
Actually, this show makes much more sense if you just assume that it exists in the same universe as Orange Is The New Black, Kimmy Schmidt, Love, and House of Cards.
posted by TheWhiteSkull at 11:24 AM on February 29, 2016 [2 favorites]
posted by TheWhiteSkull at 11:24 AM on February 29, 2016 [2 favorites]
“Fuller House” begins as a sitcom family reunion. It becomes a self-conscious, dated and maudlin reminder of the ceaseless march of time and your inevitable demise.
That escalated quickly.
posted by Splunge at 11:45 AM on February 29, 2016 [7 favorites]
That escalated quickly.
posted by Splunge at 11:45 AM on February 29, 2016 [7 favorites]
I'm about halfway through and Special Guest Star Macy Gray has the quote of the series so far: "I have a Grammy! What am I doing here?!"
posted by dr_dank at 11:50 AM on February 29, 2016 [6 favorites]
posted by dr_dank at 11:50 AM on February 29, 2016 [6 favorites]
Actually, this show makes much more sense if you just assume that it exists in the same universe as Orange Is The New Black, Kimmy Schmidt, Love, and House of Cards.
Next week on a very special crossover episode of Fuller House, Ramona is excited to be canvassing for her political hero Frank Underwood (special guest star Kevin Spacey), but becomes disillusioned when she witnesses him pushing a reporter in front of a cable car.
posted by prize bull octorok at 11:53 AM on February 29, 2016 [2 favorites]
Next week on a very special crossover episode of Fuller House, Ramona is excited to be canvassing for her political hero Frank Underwood (special guest star Kevin Spacey), but becomes disillusioned when she witnesses him pushing a reporter in front of a cable car.
posted by prize bull octorok at 11:53 AM on February 29, 2016 [2 favorites]
if you just assume that it exists in the same universe as Orange Is The New Black, Kimmy Schmidt, Love, and House of Cards.
It also exists in a universe where the Olsen twins are famous fashion designers who used to act as children - now I want to watch Michelle watching the Olsen Twins in Jam Packed Domicile.
posted by zutalors! at 11:54 AM on February 29, 2016 [6 favorites]
It also exists in a universe where the Olsen twins are famous fashion designers who used to act as children - now I want to watch Michelle watching the Olsen Twins in Jam Packed Domicile.
posted by zutalors! at 11:54 AM on February 29, 2016 [6 favorites]
I was really hoping that in the final episode, Michelle returns and it's Judah Friedlander in drag.
posted by Spatch at 12:11 PM on February 29, 2016 [8 favorites]
posted by Spatch at 12:11 PM on February 29, 2016 [8 favorites]
Elizabeth Olsen looks enough like her sisters to plausibly play an adult Michelle but her acting is far too good for it to be believable.
posted by poffin boffin at 12:13 PM on February 29, 2016 [11 favorites]
posted by poffin boffin at 12:13 PM on February 29, 2016 [11 favorites]
In the discussion of various types of series deriving from an original, it may be useful to draw some distinctions, with the caveat that these are not bright-line distinctions and there is some gray area/overlap between these categories:
Spinoff: Taking one or a few characters, often recurring or even one-shot characters, from the original series to be the central character(s) of a new series, but existing in the same world as the original. Usually the characters are played by the same actors as in the original. Possibly the earliest of the categories here, or at least much more common in older TV than any of the other types here. Examples: The Jeffersons, Laverne and Shirley, Frasier, Better Call Saul
Sequel Series: Set in the same universe as the original, but with no regular characters who were regulars in the original. (Characters from the original may appear in rare guest appearances, generally played by the same actors.) Examples: Star Trek: The Next Generation (and all later ST series, although ST:DS9 bleeds into the Spinoff category a little bit with the presence of O'Brien and later Worf), Stargate Universe (Stargate Atlantis is another borderline Spinoff case, with Samantha Carter being a regular character in both).
Uncancelled: Same world as the original series, with all or nearly all the main cast returning and generally played by the same actors. Examples: Arrested Development, Futurama, The X-Files
Reboot: Taking inspiration and possibly characters from the original, but not explicitly set in the same universe. If characters reappear from the original they are almost always played by different actors. (Actors from the original may reappear in new roles, but this is not typically acknowledged in-universe). Examples: Battlestar Galactica, V.
Of the above categories, Fuller House and Girl Meets World seem closest to of Uncancelled, despite the name changes, and even though they add more new characters than is usual for uncancelled series. Or perhaps they call for a new category not entirely encompassed by the above. Most uncancelled series don't go as long as these two before uncancellation. The only other one with that sort of length before uncancellation seems to be The X-Files, but TXF didn't have children as regular characters, so FH and GMW are perhaps different in that children in the original + time = grown-ups in the new series.
That said, even with this categorization, I think it's overly simplistic to say that all [spinoffs|sequel series|uncancelled series|reboots] are [good|bad]. Each has to be judged on its own merits. Or to paraphrase Sturgeon, yes, 90% of spinoffs, sequel series, uncancelled series, and reboots are crap, but then, 90% of everything is crap.
posted by DevilsAdvocate at 12:16 PM on February 29, 2016 [11 favorites]
Spinoff: Taking one or a few characters, often recurring or even one-shot characters, from the original series to be the central character(s) of a new series, but existing in the same world as the original. Usually the characters are played by the same actors as in the original. Possibly the earliest of the categories here, or at least much more common in older TV than any of the other types here. Examples: The Jeffersons, Laverne and Shirley, Frasier, Better Call Saul
Sequel Series: Set in the same universe as the original, but with no regular characters who were regulars in the original. (Characters from the original may appear in rare guest appearances, generally played by the same actors.) Examples: Star Trek: The Next Generation (and all later ST series, although ST:DS9 bleeds into the Spinoff category a little bit with the presence of O'Brien and later Worf), Stargate Universe (Stargate Atlantis is another borderline Spinoff case, with Samantha Carter being a regular character in both).
Uncancelled: Same world as the original series, with all or nearly all the main cast returning and generally played by the same actors. Examples: Arrested Development, Futurama, The X-Files
Reboot: Taking inspiration and possibly characters from the original, but not explicitly set in the same universe. If characters reappear from the original they are almost always played by different actors. (Actors from the original may reappear in new roles, but this is not typically acknowledged in-universe). Examples: Battlestar Galactica, V.
Of the above categories, Fuller House and Girl Meets World seem closest to of Uncancelled, despite the name changes, and even though they add more new characters than is usual for uncancelled series. Or perhaps they call for a new category not entirely encompassed by the above. Most uncancelled series don't go as long as these two before uncancellation. The only other one with that sort of length before uncancellation seems to be The X-Files, but TXF didn't have children as regular characters, so FH and GMW are perhaps different in that children in the original + time = grown-ups in the new series.
That said, even with this categorization, I think it's overly simplistic to say that all [spinoffs|sequel series|uncancelled series|reboots] are [good|bad]. Each has to be judged on its own merits. Or to paraphrase Sturgeon, yes, 90% of spinoffs, sequel series, uncancelled series, and reboots are crap, but then, 90% of everything is crap.
posted by DevilsAdvocate at 12:16 PM on February 29, 2016 [11 favorites]
I'm kind of sad that they went with the exact same format, because my generation had "The Brady Brides" and then...."The Bradys." That was some interesting television. When Mike and Carol Brady tried to be the Ewings (only nicer).
posted by xingcat at 12:19 PM on February 29, 2016 [3 favorites]
posted by xingcat at 12:19 PM on February 29, 2016 [3 favorites]
My kids are marching through Season 1 of the original and I make every effort to leave the room when they put it on. Watched in hindsight the show is insufferably white.
One thing could maybe pull me in to watching the new one: some sort of riff on Bob Saget's Aristocrats routine. Oh, and an epic takedown of guest star Kirk Cameron, just for kicks.
posted by simra at 12:20 PM on February 29, 2016
One thing could maybe pull me in to watching the new one: some sort of riff on Bob Saget's Aristocrats routine. Oh, and an epic takedown of guest star Kirk Cameron, just for kicks.
posted by simra at 12:20 PM on February 29, 2016
I went in assuming it would be terrible and I'm pleasantly surprised. It's just as good as FULL HOUSE was, which is not very good but still enjoyable. Haven't gotten all the way to the end- please tell me Michelle's friend Derek makes a cameo?
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 12:21 PM on February 29, 2016 [3 favorites]
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 12:21 PM on February 29, 2016 [3 favorites]
Everything and everyone Michelle-related has been deleted, with the exception of the moments making fun of the twins.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 12:24 PM on February 29, 2016 [2 favorites]
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 12:24 PM on February 29, 2016 [2 favorites]
1. Kids are not going to understand a great deal of the "humour" in the show, because it rests on callbacks to the original which they have probably not seen.
My 11 year old daughter has seen them all. More than once. She's loving it. Look, this shit is critic-proof. If you loved, liked, or even just somewhat fondly remember the original, this is for you. If you're a 32 year old TV writer for AV Club, you can pretty much just take the day off.
posted by schoolgirl report at 12:32 PM on February 29, 2016 [7 favorites]
My 11 year old daughter has seen them all. More than once. She's loving it. Look, this shit is critic-proof. If you loved, liked, or even just somewhat fondly remember the original, this is for you. If you're a 32 year old TV writer for AV Club, you can pretty much just take the day off.
posted by schoolgirl report at 12:32 PM on February 29, 2016 [7 favorites]
I liked that Trump was one of the three bad words the kids weren't allowed to say. Good parenting Deej.
posted by zutalors! at 12:34 PM on February 29, 2016 [4 favorites]
posted by zutalors! at 12:34 PM on February 29, 2016 [4 favorites]
That Rolling Stone article is on point. There are just too many things that are happening nowadays that just never happened in the 90's. Full house was full of great relevant topic to it's time, but now since we understand the spectacle much better we are able to be removed even from our time. C'mon fuller house. We need a little bit more umph!
posted by kandyclimer72 at 12:35 PM on February 29, 2016 [1 favorite]
posted by kandyclimer72 at 12:35 PM on February 29, 2016 [1 favorite]
The RHAP podcast points out how badly Fuller House deals with "special prime time episode" issues that were like the bellwether of the original show. Like, spending 30 seconds talking about the boys' father, or 30 seconds talk about the fact that Stephanie is infertile. Full House used to dig deep on that stuff.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 12:37 PM on February 29, 2016
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 12:37 PM on February 29, 2016
I am exasperated by all the television critics holding up the existence of Fuller House as some sort of example of a new age of nostalgia. Did I dream all the Gilligan's Island TV movies, I Dream of Jeannie TV movies, The Bradys?
posted by Automocar at 12:38 PM on February 29, 2016 [11 favorites]
posted by Automocar at 12:38 PM on February 29, 2016 [11 favorites]
From the Full House Reviewed guy: Think about this, you guys: the blackest person to ever set foot in the Full House was Urkel. That’s right, Urkel.
Oh, I get it, Urkel isn't black because he's a nerd.
Come on.
That line made me uncomfortable (in the identity-policing-is-not-okay way) but I think it's fair to say that if your only black representation is the Urkel character[1] you haven't remotely represented the lives of 99.99% of black america (or even the lives of those of us who lived in non-monochrome communities.) Similar to how the success of the Cosby show was a good thing but nowhere near enough.
[1] yes I saw the "but he's wrong" - I'm engaging in mathematician "first assume a perfect sphere"
posted by phearlez at 12:39 PM on February 29, 2016 [1 favorite]
Oh, I get it, Urkel isn't black because he's a nerd.
Come on.
That line made me uncomfortable (in the identity-policing-is-not-okay way) but I think it's fair to say that if your only black representation is the Urkel character[1] you haven't remotely represented the lives of 99.99% of black america (or even the lives of those of us who lived in non-monochrome communities.) Similar to how the success of the Cosby show was a good thing but nowhere near enough.
[1] yes I saw the "but he's wrong" - I'm engaging in mathematician "first assume a perfect sphere"
posted by phearlez at 12:39 PM on February 29, 2016 [1 favorite]
creator Jeff Franklin should consider doing an episode that flashes back to colonial times to show the origin of the generational curse that strikes down the spouses of Tanner heirs after a third child is born.
2034 will bring Fullest House to our screens/homes/brainholes but it will be a remake movie in the vein of Rebecca or Suspicion and we'll join the action in the Tanner house a bit earlier this time.
The wife of DJ's oldest son from Fuller House discovers that he's taken our a secret life insurance policy on her, shortly after she becomes pregnant with their third child. Is this an innocent act? Or is he reacting with the scars of a cursed family? Or is it an attempt to cash in on the curse and also pay the mortgage on that huge house in San Francisco?
Jodie Sweetin also guest stars.
posted by MCMikeNamara at 12:41 PM on February 29, 2016 [10 favorites]
2034 will bring Fullest House to our screens/homes/brainholes but it will be a remake movie in the vein of Rebecca or Suspicion and we'll join the action in the Tanner house a bit earlier this time.
The wife of DJ's oldest son from Fuller House discovers that he's taken our a secret life insurance policy on her, shortly after she becomes pregnant with their third child. Is this an innocent act? Or is he reacting with the scars of a cursed family? Or is it an attempt to cash in on the curse and also pay the mortgage on that huge house in San Francisco?
Jodie Sweetin also guest stars.
posted by MCMikeNamara at 12:41 PM on February 29, 2016 [10 favorites]
Jesus, what'd she do to you?
Sorry, that obviously came across as bitchier than intended. The only thing you ever heard about Jodie Sweetin between the original show and the reboot was that she had a major meth problem, so it's astounding -- in a good way -- to realize that she's the one member of this cast who actually seems to be pretty good at what she's doing, even though what she's doing is often terrible. Everyone else has the volume turned up to 11 and is obviously hitting marks and leaving precisely prescribed amounts of time for audience laughter regardless of how much the audience laughs, and she seems not to be falling into those traps. The material she's getting is no better than anyone else's, but she's doing what she can.
posted by jacquilynne at 12:42 PM on February 29, 2016 [3 favorites]
Sorry, that obviously came across as bitchier than intended. The only thing you ever heard about Jodie Sweetin between the original show and the reboot was that she had a major meth problem, so it's astounding -- in a good way -- to realize that she's the one member of this cast who actually seems to be pretty good at what she's doing, even though what she's doing is often terrible. Everyone else has the volume turned up to 11 and is obviously hitting marks and leaving precisely prescribed amounts of time for audience laughter regardless of how much the audience laughs, and she seems not to be falling into those traps. The material she's getting is no better than anyone else's, but she's doing what she can.
posted by jacquilynne at 12:42 PM on February 29, 2016 [3 favorites]
Hey now. She also hosted Pants Off Dance Off.
posted by prize bull octorok at 12:44 PM on February 29, 2016 [9 favorites]
posted by prize bull octorok at 12:44 PM on February 29, 2016 [9 favorites]
Netflix's Full House sequel isn't just a bad show. It's an inescapable nightmare.
So it's better than the original, then?
posted by MexicanYenta at 12:51 PM on February 29, 2016 [6 favorites]
I doubt I could sit through an episode of either the original or the sequel - I only dimly remember it from my childhood, and mostly in the context of, "This is retroactively hilarious after seeing Bob Saget in The Aristocrats." That said, Fuller House was unnecessary because there's a series of comedy sketches already awesome enough to justify the original show.
posted by mordax at 12:53 PM on February 29, 2016
posted by mordax at 12:53 PM on February 29, 2016
If they do not have a running gag where whenever Uncle Joey asks a question, someone responds with "You oughta know!", then all is wasted.
posted by monkeymike at 1:00 PM on February 29, 2016 [21 favorites]
posted by monkeymike at 1:00 PM on February 29, 2016 [21 favorites]
I was hoping they'd have a recurring gag where Uncle Joey sometimes randomly bleeds through the back of his shirt because he was cursed to always feel it when his ex scratches her nails down someone else's back, but maybe that's too dark
posted by prize bull octorok at 1:03 PM on February 29, 2016 [35 favorites]
posted by prize bull octorok at 1:03 PM on February 29, 2016 [35 favorites]
OBLIGATORY NEIL CICIEREGA MASHUP LINK
posted by Strange Interlude at 1:11 PM on February 29, 2016 [3 favorites]
posted by Strange Interlude at 1:11 PM on February 29, 2016 [3 favorites]
It would also explain why nobody wanted to go to the movies with Uncle Joey.
posted by dr_dank at 1:12 PM on February 29, 2016 [12 favorites]
posted by dr_dank at 1:12 PM on February 29, 2016 [12 favorites]
If you're a 32 year old TV writer for AV Club, you can pretty much just take the day off.
Perhaps use the time to consider where things went so wrong...
posted by Dark Messiah at 1:24 PM on February 29, 2016 [1 favorite]
Perhaps use the time to consider where things went so wrong...
posted by Dark Messiah at 1:24 PM on February 29, 2016 [1 favorite]
This is all a performance art piece. Midway through what is supposed to be a first season, the bear from The Revenant shows up on set and mauls everyone to death. Werner Herzog explains through a voice-over narrative that under no circumstances should anyone finish watching the episode, which is basically Dave Coulier's head and severed torso screeching "CUT IT OUT" over and over while Carly Rae Jepsen sings the theme song in a minor key.
posted by jimmythefish at 1:30 PM on February 29, 2016 [10 favorites]
posted by jimmythefish at 1:30 PM on February 29, 2016 [10 favorites]
If they do not have a running gag where whenever Uncle Joey asks a question, someone responds with "You oughta know!", then all is wasted.
There is a joke about You Oughta Know -- someone mentions the song, and then as they walk out the door, someone else is all like "Hey, did you ever hear who that song was about?"
posted by jacquilynne at 1:40 PM on February 29, 2016 [7 favorites]
There is a joke about You Oughta Know -- someone mentions the song, and then as they walk out the door, someone else is all like "Hey, did you ever hear who that song was about?"
posted by jacquilynne at 1:40 PM on February 29, 2016 [7 favorites]
If you're a 32 year old TV writer for AV Club, you can pretty much just take the day off.
Perhaps use the time to consider where things went so wrong...
They're getting paid to write critically about culture and art. I'm watching people snark about them doing so while I do my real job. I've got some serious opinions that might surprise you about which one of us is on the right path.
posted by MCMikeNamara at 1:46 PM on February 29, 2016 [10 favorites]
Perhaps use the time to consider where things went so wrong...
They're getting paid to write critically about culture and art. I'm watching people snark about them doing so while I do my real job. I've got some serious opinions that might surprise you about which one of us is on the right path.
posted by MCMikeNamara at 1:46 PM on February 29, 2016 [10 favorites]
I was a super fan of the show during it's original run, and now my 7-year-old niece is just as obsessed with the re-runs.
She locked herself in her room and binge-watched the whole series this weekend, only coming out to tell my sister that "Uncle Jessie's hair is still totally awesome".
I watched it and it was just as sappy and cheesy as the original. The self-referential jokes were a little eyeroll-inducing, but it was kind of nice they had a sense of humor about it.
posted by elvissa at 1:48 PM on February 29, 2016 [1 favorite]
She locked herself in her room and binge-watched the whole series this weekend, only coming out to tell my sister that "Uncle Jessie's hair is still totally awesome".
I watched it and it was just as sappy and cheesy as the original. The self-referential jokes were a little eyeroll-inducing, but it was kind of nice they had a sense of humor about it.
posted by elvissa at 1:48 PM on February 29, 2016 [1 favorite]
My kids like the new show and totally get all the references to the old show, which they watched on Netflix.
I am uncomfortable with all the sex references and the scantily clad women. If I'm watching a family sitcom, I don't need my young kids asking what a demon in the sack is, Googling "hooking up" and questioning what the Kama Sutra is. Someone got kicked between the crotch in the opener. This wasn't what I was expecting. I watch OitNB and The Fosters and all sorts of things later at night, but this wasn't what I was expecting from Fuller House.
However, I did like that they tried to involve at least SOME steps toward diversity, given that Kimmy's ex-husband is Hispanic (but totally stereotyped and made to look like an idiot, so that is negative), her daughter is thus Ango-Hispanic (and smart and popular), and the boy has a crush on a Asian girl who it seems might be a recurring character. And the MOA at DJ's veterinary practice is a black woman who seems to have immigrated from the Caribbean. And they noted it is the whitest family ever. These are baby steps and I'd like to see more.
But Coulier? Please dump the guy who was dating a teenager when he was 31. You oughtta know that is gross and wrong.
posted by Chaussette and the Pussy Cats at 2:01 PM on February 29, 2016
I am uncomfortable with all the sex references and the scantily clad women. If I'm watching a family sitcom, I don't need my young kids asking what a demon in the sack is, Googling "hooking up" and questioning what the Kama Sutra is. Someone got kicked between the crotch in the opener. This wasn't what I was expecting. I watch OitNB and The Fosters and all sorts of things later at night, but this wasn't what I was expecting from Fuller House.
However, I did like that they tried to involve at least SOME steps toward diversity, given that Kimmy's ex-husband is Hispanic (but totally stereotyped and made to look like an idiot, so that is negative), her daughter is thus Ango-Hispanic (and smart and popular), and the boy has a crush on a Asian girl who it seems might be a recurring character. And the MOA at DJ's veterinary practice is a black woman who seems to have immigrated from the Caribbean. And they noted it is the whitest family ever. These are baby steps and I'd like to see more.
But Coulier? Please dump the guy who was dating a teenager when he was 31. You oughtta know that is gross and wrong.
posted by Chaussette and the Pussy Cats at 2:01 PM on February 29, 2016
She locked herself in her room and binge-watched the whole series this weekend, only coming out to tell my sister that "Uncle Jessie's hair is still totally awesome".
My wife and I struggle to find television to watch together and when I proposed we try a new sitcom late last year I had to confess to her: Dear, even after 14 years there are still new things you can learn about me. The fact that I have a serious soft spot for John Stamos is one. Which is weird because I was never a Full House fan.
posted by phearlez at 2:13 PM on February 29, 2016 [1 favorite]
My wife and I struggle to find television to watch together and when I proposed we try a new sitcom late last year I had to confess to her: Dear, even after 14 years there are still new things you can learn about me. The fact that I have a serious soft spot for John Stamos is one. Which is weird because I was never a Full House fan.
posted by phearlez at 2:13 PM on February 29, 2016 [1 favorite]
Okay but none of this is addressing the real, actual problem with Full/Fuller House, which is HOW is that the inside of a Painted Lady that is NOT POSSIBLE.
I can't even watch the show without being annoyed by the profound wrongness of the layout. I mean I'm not exactly sure what it should look like exactly but -- not like that. (There is a WINDOW on the SIDE what on earth.)
posted by gerstle at 2:16 PM on February 29, 2016 [11 favorites]
I can't even watch the show without being annoyed by the profound wrongness of the layout. I mean I'm not exactly sure what it should look like exactly but -- not like that. (There is a WINDOW on the SIDE what on earth.)
posted by gerstle at 2:16 PM on February 29, 2016 [11 favorites]
I watched Full House a lot as a teenager, before we got cable. My brother and I got a kick out of it, but we never thought of it as a 'good show.' I can tell that the remake/sequel will be terrible, so I am not going to watch it. There are many great TV shows and films I have not yet seen; also I enjoy reading books, and own several. I will not, therefore, lack for media entertainment during the five minutes anyone gives a shit about this unimaginative cash-in.
This option remains available to all of us, should we wish to take it.
Yours in hope,
wa.
posted by waxbanks at 2:19 PM on February 29, 2016 [3 favorites]
This option remains available to all of us, should we wish to take it.
Yours in hope,
wa.
posted by waxbanks at 2:19 PM on February 29, 2016 [3 favorites]
I hope they do this with more shows of the era
Normal Brewster
Large Wonder
Facts of Aging and Death
posted by generalist at 2:24 PM on February 29, 2016 [16 favorites]
Normal Brewster
Large Wonder
Facts of Aging and Death
posted by generalist at 2:24 PM on February 29, 2016 [16 favorites]
Large Wonder
She was a robot. She's not getting any bigger!
posted by praemunire at 2:29 PM on February 29, 2016 [8 favorites]
She was a robot. She's not getting any bigger!
posted by praemunire at 2:29 PM on February 29, 2016 [8 favorites]
so what you guys are all saying is that this show is like if someone opened up a restaurant that served boxed macaroni and cheese with hot dogs cut up and mixed in
posted by DoctorFedora at 2:36 PM on February 29, 2016 [14 favorites]
posted by DoctorFedora at 2:36 PM on February 29, 2016 [14 favorites]
Given the number of deadly wobbles Netflix has been taking lately (that Sandler vessel, now this), I am picturing their boardroom populated by a herd of braying geese.
posted by turbid dahlia at 3:03 PM on February 29, 2016 [3 favorites]
posted by turbid dahlia at 3:03 PM on February 29, 2016 [3 favorites]
I hate Full House, and pretty much everything that ever aired on network Friday night family programming. Through a combination of circumstances, I actually watched most of Fuller House. First out of protest, and increasingly willingly (I was helping someone prepare for a party, and she had it on in the background). I didn't hate it by the end. I kept waiting for something to go terribly, cosmically wrong, like Too Many Cooks Style, but by the end I was sort of invested in the weird idiots who are the modern day Tanners. The jokes kept falling flat, but it was a mark of style rather than a deficiency in humor. The youngest kid was terrible throughout, though, no doubt about that.
Anyway, my review is looking straightforward with no emotion and saying, "huh, alright."
posted by codacorolla at 3:10 PM on February 29, 2016 [3 favorites]
Anyway, my review is looking straightforward with no emotion and saying, "huh, alright."
posted by codacorolla at 3:10 PM on February 29, 2016 [3 favorites]
Large Wonder
She was a robot. She's not getting any bigger!
Well this is what computers looked like in 1989, so on the one hand it'd be fun to see them revisit this after 16 years of Moore's Law. (Smaller Wonder? Maybe iWonder Nano?)
On the other hand, fast-forwarding that creepily-affectless tween by 16 years would probably put us somewhere around this or this or this, which might make it harder to hit that wholesome family-friendly nostalgia note.
posted by Two unicycles and some duct tape at 3:16 PM on February 29, 2016 [2 favorites]
She was a robot. She's not getting any bigger!
Well this is what computers looked like in 1989, so on the one hand it'd be fun to see them revisit this after 16 years of Moore's Law. (Smaller Wonder? Maybe iWonder Nano?)
On the other hand, fast-forwarding that creepily-affectless tween by 16 years would probably put us somewhere around this or this or this, which might make it harder to hit that wholesome family-friendly nostalgia note.
posted by Two unicycles and some duct tape at 3:16 PM on February 29, 2016 [2 favorites]
Actually, this show makes much more sense if you just assume that it exists in the same universe as Orange Is The New Black, Kimmy Schmidt, Love, and House of Cards.
The current election has me worried that we are living in the same universe as House of Cards.
posted by It's Never Lurgi at 3:33 PM on February 29, 2016 [1 favorite]
The current election has me worried that we are living in the same universe as House of Cards.
posted by It's Never Lurgi at 3:33 PM on February 29, 2016 [1 favorite]
She was a robot. She's not getting any bigger!
I distinctly recall an episode where for laughs they showed how Vicky could grow and they had this terribly frightening special effect where just her legs telescoped.
posted by linux at 3:37 PM on February 29, 2016 [3 favorites]
I distinctly recall an episode where for laughs they showed how Vicky could grow and they had this terribly frightening special effect where just her legs telescoped.
posted by linux at 3:37 PM on February 29, 2016 [3 favorites]
Nostalgia's taint has deluded viewers of a certain generation into believing that, with its hammy child performances, overplayed catchphrases and perfunctory hugs, Full House was a good TV show.
That opening paragraph of the Hollywood Reporter review perfectly captures my feelings about the whole idea: "who thought this would be a good idea in the first place? Because they were wrong."
As a lifelong Full House hater, I loved that review. Here's another great part:
Kimmy Gibbler was always an acquired taste that I never acquired, so let's just say that Kimmy's character and Barber's performance have not been adjusted or modulated in their new capacity as series lead...
posted by salvia at 4:03 PM on February 29, 2016
That opening paragraph of the Hollywood Reporter review perfectly captures my feelings about the whole idea: "who thought this would be a good idea in the first place? Because they were wrong."
As a lifelong Full House hater, I loved that review. Here's another great part:
Kimmy Gibbler was always an acquired taste that I never acquired, so let's just say that Kimmy's character and Barber's performance have not been adjusted or modulated in their new capacity as series lead...
posted by salvia at 4:03 PM on February 29, 2016
I have no interest in Fuller House and expected it to be panned by American critics, but I'm wondering if this might be an attempt to appeal to some of Netflix's recently expanded international audience. I was surprised when moving to Japan to find the original Full House still in syndication, and mentioned a lot whenever you talk about American TV with Japanese people.
posted by p3t3 at 4:11 PM on February 29, 2016 [1 favorite]
posted by p3t3 at 4:11 PM on February 29, 2016 [1 favorite]
Actually, this show makes much more sense if you just assume that it exists in the same universe as Orange Is The New Black, Kimmy Schmidt, Love, and House of Cards.
Here's hoping for a guest spot from Auntie Boo, out on parole.
posted by nubs at 4:13 PM on February 29, 2016 [2 favorites]
Here's hoping for a guest spot from Auntie Boo, out on parole.
posted by nubs at 4:13 PM on February 29, 2016 [2 favorites]
why did they release a whole season at once? i guess i get the idea that netflix is on-demand, not scheduled, but that doesn't mean they "have" to release the entire season. you'd think there would be advantages to releasing show by show - building up a following, allowing people to talk about the "current" show, etc. on the other hand, if they suspected it would be a flop, then maybe it makes more sense?
posted by andrewcooke at 4:13 PM on February 29, 2016 [1 favorite]
posted by andrewcooke at 4:13 PM on February 29, 2016 [1 favorite]
Is that from the sermon on the mount
Jesus could dish, man
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 4:15 PM on February 29, 2016 [1 favorite]
Jesus could dish, man
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 4:15 PM on February 29, 2016 [1 favorite]
building up a following, allowing people to talk about the "current" show, etc. on the other hand, if they suspected it would be a flop, then maybe it makes more sense?
Netflix has never released its shows any other way -- you can't read anything into it about how they felt about the show.
posted by jacquilynne at 4:23 PM on February 29, 2016 [3 favorites]
Netflix has never released its shows any other way -- you can't read anything into it about how they felt about the show.
posted by jacquilynne at 4:23 PM on February 29, 2016 [3 favorites]
ctrl + f "buckm"
uh...
ctrl + f "dym"
oh thank god
posted by Freelance Demiurge at 5:25 PM on February 29, 2016 [11 favorites]
uh...
ctrl + f "dym"
oh thank god
posted by Freelance Demiurge at 5:25 PM on February 29, 2016 [11 favorites]
Absolute shit. A vomitacious peristaltic wormhole of time, puking up a vile case of sitcom-based acid reflux on the television tongue. Look at us, rabied eyed dogs lapping, blindly in madness - unable to stop. Frozen by memories of the pleated stonewashed jeans that were once our souls.
posted by thebestusernameever at 6:24 PM on February 29, 2016 [1 favorite]
posted by thebestusernameever at 6:24 PM on February 29, 2016 [1 favorite]
This is gonna be like getting Velveeta and finding out that the flavor just isn't right, isn't it?
Only. With Velveeta, they actually changed it, and this... they apparently didn't, so the flavor was ALWAYS wrong, and I never knew it, as a kid (as an adult, sure).
Honestly I'm pretty damn curious. Unlike Arrested Development I didn't have much hope for it to aspire to much, so I don't think it could really disappoint.
posted by symbioid at 7:42 PM on February 29, 2016
Only. With Velveeta, they actually changed it, and this... they apparently didn't, so the flavor was ALWAYS wrong, and I never knew it, as a kid (as an adult, sure).
Honestly I'm pretty damn curious. Unlike Arrested Development I didn't have much hope for it to aspire to much, so I don't think it could really disappoint.
posted by symbioid at 7:42 PM on February 29, 2016
I'm going to firmly stand by and say that Arrested Development's Netflix episodes are perhaps on par in enjoyability to the original 3 seasons if for different reasons. And yes, season 4 does require multiple viewings to see the genius.
posted by Twain Device at 7:56 PM on February 29, 2016
posted by Twain Device at 7:56 PM on February 29, 2016
This was the first thing I thought of. It didn't work for some, but it worked well for most because BSG didn't simply copy its earlier life blindly, but rebooted and reinvented itself -- most notably by becoming a Drama series set in a Sci-Fi universe
Full House should reboot as a Drama set in a Sci-Fi universe.
posted by mazola at 8:05 PM on February 29, 2016 [3 favorites]
Full House should reboot as a Drama set in a Sci-Fi universe.
posted by mazola at 8:05 PM on February 29, 2016 [3 favorites]
It's worth noting that part of why Full House was and is such a Thing in Japan is because Japan's own live-action TV shows tend to have approximately equivalent Painfully Earnest Sentimentality combined with all-out attempts to win the Acting Competition, making it, presumably, comfortingly familiar to Japanese audiences.
Like, today, in the year 2016.
Modern Japanese TV shows are uncomfortably comparable to Full House, is the main point. I have to imagine that Fuller House may well actually be a major selling point for Netflix, who has just entered the Japan market, to be honest.
posted by DoctorFedora at 8:31 PM on February 29, 2016 [4 favorites]
Like, today, in the year 2016.
Modern Japanese TV shows are uncomfortably comparable to Full House, is the main point. I have to imagine that Fuller House may well actually be a major selling point for Netflix, who has just entered the Japan market, to be honest.
posted by DoctorFedora at 8:31 PM on February 29, 2016 [4 favorites]
I second Fizz in that pretty much the reason why I watched the show in the 80's/90's/whatever is because I was a nerd doing nothing on Friday nights and that was what was on, along with Step By Step and Boy Meets World, etc.
However, these days we've got shit tons of better television to watch now that I'm an old nerd home alone on Friday nights. Which makes me wonder why the hell all of you are still watching this stuff when you could find a whole lot better to watch in about two seconds.
posted by jenfullmoon at 9:37 PM on February 29, 2016
However, these days we've got shit tons of better television to watch now that I'm an old nerd home alone on Friday nights. Which makes me wonder why the hell all of you are still watching this stuff when you could find a whole lot better to watch in about two seconds.
posted by jenfullmoon at 9:37 PM on February 29, 2016
bigendian: "entropicamericana: "What's that German word where you feel embarrassed for everyone involved?"
fremdschämen"
I ham detekting more of ze schadenfreude!
posted by Samizdata at 10:59 PM on February 29, 2016 [1 favorite]
fremdschämen"
I ham detekting more of ze schadenfreude!
posted by Samizdata at 10:59 PM on February 29, 2016 [1 favorite]
TheWhiteSkull: "Is this something I'd have to have a TV and inexplicably choose to watch terrible shows to understand?
Nah, you can get it on Netflix."
Same as in town!
(Seriously, I made it to 7:04, and that's all I could do.)
(Yeah, that's episode 1.)
posted by Samizdata at 11:28 PM on February 29, 2016
Nah, you can get it on Netflix."
Same as in town!
(Seriously, I made it to 7:04, and that's all I could do.)
(Yeah, that's episode 1.)
posted by Samizdata at 11:28 PM on February 29, 2016
andrewcooke: "why did they release a whole season at once? i guess i get the idea that netflix is on-demand, not scheduled, but that doesn't mean they "have" to release the entire season. you'd think there would be advantages to releasing show by show - building up a following, allowing people to talk about the "current" show, etc. on the other hand, if they suspected it would be a flop, then maybe it makes more sense?"
Actually, I read a quote somewhere that Netflix specifically asks showrunners to make their shows binge-friendly/compatible.
Yeah, pisses me off too. I don't Netflix because of my sterling, rock like self control...
posted by Samizdata at 11:50 PM on February 29, 2016 [1 favorite]
Actually, I read a quote somewhere that Netflix specifically asks showrunners to make their shows binge-friendly/compatible.
Yeah, pisses me off too. I don't Netflix because of my sterling, rock like self control...
posted by Samizdata at 11:50 PM on February 29, 2016 [1 favorite]
But it does make all kinds of sense, I guess, as between the rating stars (1 for me) and the streaming numbers (7:04 as mentioned previously), they get the feedback the studios don't. And we won't mention the fact of people saying "Might as well watch it. We paid for this month."
posted by Samizdata at 11:52 PM on February 29, 2016
posted by Samizdata at 11:52 PM on February 29, 2016
All of these revivals of the past few years (TV shows we cried over losing, big-name bands who swore they'd never get back together) feel like culture on life-support. Like, collective appetite has moved from pushing boundaries to breathing new life into old ghosts over and over again. It feels comfortable and all (the way binging on a bag of potato chips does), but art is supposed to be challenging, dammit! The artist is supposed to resist being commodified. When it's a tribute band or an SNL sketch it's fun nostalgia, but seeing the original artists themselves indulge the fantasy kind of bursts the bubble. Maybe I just feel this way because I've never been to Vegas?
posted by mantecol at 1:18 AM on March 1, 2016 [1 favorite]
posted by mantecol at 1:18 AM on March 1, 2016 [1 favorite]
All of these revivals of the past few years (TV shows we cried over losing, big-name bands who swore they'd never get back together) feel like culture on life-support. Like, collective appetite has moved from pushing boundaries to breathing new life into old ghosts over and over again. It feels comfortable and all (the way binging on a bag of potato chips does), but art is supposed to be challenging, dammit! The artist is supposed to resist being commodified. When it's a tribute band or an SNL sketch it's fun nostalgia, but seeing the original artists themselves indulge the fantasy kind of bursts the bubble. Maybe I just feel this way because I've never been to Vegas?
Here's a hint: 30 year olds have money.
posted by codacorolla at 6:09 AM on March 1, 2016 [1 favorite]
Here's a hint: 30 year olds have money.
posted by codacorolla at 6:09 AM on March 1, 2016 [1 favorite]
All of these revivals of the past few years (TV shows we cried over losing, big-name bands who swore they'd never get back together) feel like culture on life-support. Like, collective appetite has moved from pushing boundaries to breathing new life into old ghosts over and over again. It feels comfortable and all (the way binging on a bag of potato chips does), but art is supposed to be challenging, dammit! The artist is supposed to resist being commodified.
oh yes this is definitely a new phenomenon that has never happened before in history
(also, LOL at a comment about "art" in a thread about "full house.")
posted by entropicamericana at 6:17 AM on March 1, 2016
oh yes this is definitely a new phenomenon that has never happened before in history
(also, LOL at a comment about "art" in a thread about "full house.")
posted by entropicamericana at 6:17 AM on March 1, 2016
Here's a hint: 30 year olds have money.
That's correct, it's been about a decade since I bought my Battle of the Planets DVDs.
posted by Rat Spatula at 7:23 AM on March 1, 2016 [1 favorite]
That's correct, it's been about a decade since I bought my Battle of the Planets DVDs.
posted by Rat Spatula at 7:23 AM on March 1, 2016 [1 favorite]
The first episode was a complete and total cheese-fest. I got a bit tired of the hamming by the end, as it was played in a very third-wall breaking way the whole freaking time. (I have no problem.with third-wall breaking.I do have a problem with an entire half hour of it at a time)
The second episode was much better. Being the Full House formula, I don't think better = good, but it seems perfectly watchable to me. So far. We'll see what episode 3 brings. (I'll see..I'm sure many people have already seen the whole season)
posted by wierdo at 9:17 AM on March 1, 2016 [1 favorite]
The second episode was much better. Being the Full House formula, I don't think better = good, but it seems perfectly watchable to me. So far. We'll see what episode 3 brings. (I'll see..I'm sure many people have already seen the whole season)
posted by wierdo at 9:17 AM on March 1, 2016 [1 favorite]
I never actually watched Full House as a kid (I was 4 when it started airing) for more than 5 minutes. My parents and siblings thought it was just hilarious to say that I had a crush on the Olsen twins. It really killed any desire I might have had to watch it. I just remember being so angry that they thought I had a crush on them and didn't believe me when I said I didn't. Considering I was and always have been an honest persons that really hurt me and I'm kind of getting angry again 25+ years later.
Anyway, I was not planning on watching this, but the Netflix rating estimate is surprisingly high (FOUR stars! I would have thought 2, maybe 3. Of course, it usually adjusts as people watch and rate it so I'm holding off in case there's a big drop in the estimate. I'm looking at you Glitter Force which dropped from 5 stars to 1 in 24 hours.
posted by Green With You at 9:49 AM on March 1, 2016 [2 favorites]
Anyway, I was not planning on watching this, but the Netflix rating estimate is surprisingly high (FOUR stars! I would have thought 2, maybe 3. Of course, it usually adjusts as people watch and rate it so I'm holding off in case there's a big drop in the estimate. I'm looking at you Glitter Force which dropped from 5 stars to 1 in 24 hours.
posted by Green With You at 9:49 AM on March 1, 2016 [2 favorites]
If for some reason Fuller House isn't corny enough for you, can I recommend the Netflix reboot of Degrassi?
posted by zeusianfog at 10:06 AM on March 1, 2016 [1 favorite]
posted by zeusianfog at 10:06 AM on March 1, 2016 [1 favorite]
DevilsAdvocate, thanks for that taxonomy. My current hypothesis is that a TV or movie reboot is best if the original was not very good and if the rebooters are willing to take a different dramatic approach to the underlying premise, much as a mediocre short story or novel is going to translate better to the screen than an excellent one will.
Speaking of Family Matters, I only found out recently that its last episode had basically the same plot as the Sandra Bullock movie Gravity.
posted by brainwane at 10:48 AM on March 1, 2016 [2 favorites]
Speaking of Family Matters, I only found out recently that its last episode had basically the same plot as the Sandra Bullock movie Gravity.
posted by brainwane at 10:48 AM on March 1, 2016 [2 favorites]
Just wait till Two and A Half Men gets the Fuller House treatment... Five Men and An Android? Six Men, Two Martians, and a Zygg? Charlie's Sons? All In The Family?
posted by Jacen at 11:21 AM on March 1, 2016
posted by Jacen at 11:21 AM on March 1, 2016
All of these revivals of the past few years (TV shows we cried over losing, big-name bands who swore they'd never get back together) feel like culture on life-support. Like, collective appetite has moved from pushing boundaries to breathing new life into old ghosts over and over again
Enh, yes and no, I think. I think we've always tended to regurgitate and recycle our cultural items; part of it is nostalgia, part of it is money to be made from nostalgia, and part of it is (I think) the process of moving on. For example, getting to see the X-Files in the modern day proved a meh experience; it didn't make the transition well (it likely could have, with a fresh take on the idea, instead of just "Fox and Scully in 2015!" but didn't). Sometimes we need to see that the past cultural touchstones are touchstones no longer.
posted by nubs at 11:28 AM on March 1, 2016
Enh, yes and no, I think. I think we've always tended to regurgitate and recycle our cultural items; part of it is nostalgia, part of it is money to be made from nostalgia, and part of it is (I think) the process of moving on. For example, getting to see the X-Files in the modern day proved a meh experience; it didn't make the transition well (it likely could have, with a fresh take on the idea, instead of just "Fox and Scully in 2015!" but didn't). Sometimes we need to see that the past cultural touchstones are touchstones no longer.
posted by nubs at 11:28 AM on March 1, 2016
The nostalgia is yours and yours alone.
You know the antagonist is going to be the damn Silver Monkey.
posted by Rock Steady at 2:34 PM on March 1, 2016
You know the antagonist is going to be the damn Silver Monkey.
posted by Rock Steady at 2:34 PM on March 1, 2016
Am I the only person who remembers Still the Beaver? Because that feels like this, an Uncancelling that reaches back to the previous generation. Thank you for the taxonomy, DevilsAdvocate!
Also, my baby sister loooooooved her some Full House; I haven't yet asked her if she's watching Fuller House. (She's 35.)
posted by epersonae at 4:01 PM on March 1, 2016 [2 favorites]
Also, my baby sister loooooooved her some Full House; I haven't yet asked her if she's watching Fuller House. (She's 35.)
posted by epersonae at 4:01 PM on March 1, 2016 [2 favorites]
If they ever did that "Fullest House" series with the third generation cast, they'd need a new theme song pronto, lest the audience wear out their neural implants looking up what a milkman, paperboy, or TV are.
posted by dr_dank at 5:00 PM on March 1, 2016 [2 favorites]
posted by dr_dank at 5:00 PM on March 1, 2016 [2 favorites]
So, my two cents...
I feel as though I am basically the demographic for Fuller House, except I don't have kids. (I think my peers with children would probably enjoy the show more than me, because there's a fair bit about raising kids.)
I watched all the episodes of the original when I was a kid, both in first-run and then subsequently in reruns. I have probably seen all of the episodes a minimum of five to seven times each. Granted, I haven't seen a Full House episode in at least 15 years, but I still know enough to have caught the vast majority of references in Fuller House... So I am pretty familiar with the original.
I saw a lot of references that felt like they were meant for me.
- New Kids on the Block dance routine
- Dirty Dancing references aplenty
- shout-outs to the past show
- all the silly catchphrases
- lots of meta references: the Alanis one about who that song's about, the nod to Michelle and her fashion empire (then another about how Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen don't have to act anymore due to the price of their clothing), referring to Candace Cameron Bure being on Dancing with the Stars and the View...
All of these felt like they were placed there specifically so that I could get the joke.
That, combined with the absolute familiarity with the characters meant that I actually enjoyed it. Don't get me wrong, this is not a show that is amazing. There are some boring as crap episodes. But it was fun. I felt pandered to (which is always nice) and spent some time remembering moments from my youth.
It's not a good show, but I certainly laughed out loud enough to make it worth my while. I also would not necessarily call this a kid's show, but most of the more adult humour will likely be over the head of kids. I would say this is an adequate show for fans of the original show.
I grew up on the Tanner family. (And Balki and Larry. And the Winslows -- and Urkel. And the Foster/Lambert clan.) I grew up with the Tanner kids. Seeing them on my TV again was just fun. I don't know that I'm going to watch all 13 episodes again (or any of the original show's episodes again) but if there's another season, I'll watch it. The predictability, the characters, the catch phrases, the jokes... they're familiar, they're fun and they remind me of a simpler time.
Oh, and my favourite line in the whole 13 episodes:
“It's not a cult; it's a family. You know, where you wind up like five times a day in a group hug. (pause) Oh my God, I'm in a cult." (Jodie Sweetin still has great comedic timing and delivery.)
posted by juliebug at 9:10 PM on March 1, 2016 [7 favorites]
I feel as though I am basically the demographic for Fuller House, except I don't have kids. (I think my peers with children would probably enjoy the show more than me, because there's a fair bit about raising kids.)
I watched all the episodes of the original when I was a kid, both in first-run and then subsequently in reruns. I have probably seen all of the episodes a minimum of five to seven times each. Granted, I haven't seen a Full House episode in at least 15 years, but I still know enough to have caught the vast majority of references in Fuller House... So I am pretty familiar with the original.
I saw a lot of references that felt like they were meant for me.
- New Kids on the Block dance routine
- Dirty Dancing references aplenty
- shout-outs to the past show
- all the silly catchphrases
- lots of meta references: the Alanis one about who that song's about, the nod to Michelle and her fashion empire (then another about how Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen don't have to act anymore due to the price of their clothing), referring to Candace Cameron Bure being on Dancing with the Stars and the View...
All of these felt like they were placed there specifically so that I could get the joke.
That, combined with the absolute familiarity with the characters meant that I actually enjoyed it. Don't get me wrong, this is not a show that is amazing. There are some boring as crap episodes. But it was fun. I felt pandered to (which is always nice) and spent some time remembering moments from my youth.
It's not a good show, but I certainly laughed out loud enough to make it worth my while. I also would not necessarily call this a kid's show, but most of the more adult humour will likely be over the head of kids. I would say this is an adequate show for fans of the original show.
I grew up on the Tanner family. (And Balki and Larry. And the Winslows -- and Urkel. And the Foster/Lambert clan.) I grew up with the Tanner kids. Seeing them on my TV again was just fun. I don't know that I'm going to watch all 13 episodes again (or any of the original show's episodes again) but if there's another season, I'll watch it. The predictability, the characters, the catch phrases, the jokes... they're familiar, they're fun and they remind me of a simpler time.
Oh, and my favourite line in the whole 13 episodes:
“It's not a cult; it's a family. You know, where you wind up like five times a day in a group hug. (pause) Oh my God, I'm in a cult." (Jodie Sweetin still has great comedic timing and delivery.)
posted by juliebug at 9:10 PM on March 1, 2016 [7 favorites]
If it helps Netflix make the money they need to give me more Bojack Horseman, they can order as many seasons of this nonsense as they want
posted by DoctorFedora at 3:12 PM on March 2, 2016 [4 favorites]
posted by DoctorFedora at 3:12 PM on March 2, 2016 [4 favorites]
Only if it's a very special episode where he can talk for 45 minutes about how everyone in the house is going to Hell.
posted by Chrysostom at 8:49 AM on March 4, 2016 [1 favorite]
posted by Chrysostom at 8:49 AM on March 4, 2016 [1 favorite]
I wonder if brother Kirk will make an appearance.
He did make an appearance back in the day. Season 1, Episode 18. Cousin Steve.
That said, I don't imagine he'll be back. They've managed to get around Candace Cameron Bure saying "oh my god" by using her old catchphrase of "Oh Mylanta!" but the implications are that Stephanie doesn't exactly live life in the Christian mold and a few of the jokes can be a little risqué. He probably wouldn't want to come back even if the offer was extended.
Plus the fact that Cousin Steve has the same name as Old Boyfriend Steve would make things more confusing than need be. ;)
posted by juliebug at 9:00 AM on March 4, 2016
He did make an appearance back in the day. Season 1, Episode 18. Cousin Steve.
That said, I don't imagine he'll be back. They've managed to get around Candace Cameron Bure saying "oh my god" by using her old catchphrase of "Oh Mylanta!" but the implications are that Stephanie doesn't exactly live life in the Christian mold and a few of the jokes can be a little risqué. He probably wouldn't want to come back even if the offer was extended.
Plus the fact that Cousin Steve has the same name as Old Boyfriend Steve would make things more confusing than need be. ;)
posted by juliebug at 9:00 AM on March 4, 2016
Update: Netflix last night estimated it at 2/5 stars. The system works, people!
posted by Green With You at 1:01 PM on March 4, 2016
posted by Green With You at 1:01 PM on March 4, 2016
One thing I'll credit this show for is that I finally checked out My Brother, My Brother, and Me, and the episode I started with was the recent one about Fuller House, and I discovered that I had been wasting my life by not hunting down everything the McElroy brothers have ever made
posted by DoctorFedora at 9:07 PM on March 4, 2016 [1 favorite]
posted by DoctorFedora at 9:07 PM on March 4, 2016 [1 favorite]
Only if it's a very special episode where he can talk for 45 minutes about how everyone in the house is going to Hell.
Fuller Hell
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 9:14 PM on March 4, 2016 [2 favorites]
Fuller Hell
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 9:14 PM on March 4, 2016 [2 favorites]
Up to episode 8 now. Looks like they studied FHR carefully and now are determined to torture its author (and readers) to death.
posted by Melismata at 3:30 PM on March 5, 2016 [2 favorites]
posted by Melismata at 3:30 PM on March 5, 2016 [2 favorites]
"The fact that [Netflix is] willing to make a show that does nothing for you personally indicates that they’ll continue putting out shows with no regard for pleasing everybody."
posted by brainwane at 9:31 AM on March 9, 2016 [3 favorites]
posted by brainwane at 9:31 AM on March 9, 2016 [3 favorites]
Remember they also financed W/ Bob & David, a Mr. Show reunion series of extreme interest to comedy fans but is probably unpalatable to Full House viewers (what? It's a comedy? oh). Their plan seems to be to make at least one thing for every human being on Earth.
posted by JHarris at 9:55 AM on March 9, 2016
posted by JHarris at 9:55 AM on March 9, 2016
It's not anywhere near Modern Family's level or anything, but so far this show has been funnier than I remember the original series. I still laugh thinking back to when Jackson's friend said, "That drought thing is such a scam. I just took a 90-minute shower."
posted by riruro at 8:12 AM on March 10, 2016
posted by riruro at 8:12 AM on March 10, 2016
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