What Ever Happened To Richard Simmons?
March 12, 2016 10:11 AM   Subscribe

 
He's being held by a witch of course and an evil one at that.
posted by adamvasco at 10:24 AM on March 12, 2016 [3 favorites]


pssst... read the article. it's in there.
posted by nebulawindphone at 10:27 AM on March 12, 2016 [6 favorites]


A sad story, and leaves one feeling helpless. I know I can slip away from friends when the going gets rough. I'm going to make an effort not to do that anymore.
posted by stoneweaver at 10:30 AM on March 12, 2016 [11 favorites]


I thought adamvasco's link was the same page, but it's just the same picture at the top. More or less the same story, though, which is pretty weird. Kind of makes me think of Michael Jackson, too: weird, talented, rich guy isolated by inner-circle people and goes off the rails. Not sure what you can do about it, though. Anti-witchcraft? Call DHS for a wellness check?
posted by spacewrench at 10:31 AM on March 12, 2016 [1 favorite]


That was definitely a wild article. I feel like this is none of my damn business, but it's hard to look away.
Call DHS for a wellness check?
It sounds like someone already did this, and there was nothing obviously wrong. And it is entirely possible that he isn't being held captive, and he's voluntarily cutting off his friends.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 10:33 AM on March 12, 2016 [3 favorites]


I met him once at a Starbucks in the Valley when I was maybe 7 or 8 and I remember being totally floored by how much energy was radiating from this tiny little man in red shorts. In retrospect I wonder if he maybe has manic depression and now whoever is handling him is manipulating his medication to serve their own means and keep him down rather than stable and happy.
posted by Hermione Granger at 10:34 AM on March 12, 2016 [12 favorites]


I gotta say, though, the framing of this article is so telenovela status that I can't help but side-eye the person who wrote it.
posted by Hermione Granger at 10:35 AM on March 12, 2016 [24 favorites]


That's sad. I want Richard Simmons to be happy and spastic and making all sorts of cameos and enchanting people with his effervescent persona. id like him to be getting ridiculous guest spots on Law & Order and guest hosting Family Feud and calling in to radio shows and making people smile.
posted by ian1977 at 10:36 AM on March 12, 2016 [63 favorites]


It's hard to tell what's up versus down here with so many characters surrounding him and accusing each other of dastardly deeds. The lady from the wig shop seems nice, though.
posted by sallybrown at 10:38 AM on March 12, 2016 [2 favorites]


It sounds like someone already did this...
Oops, you're right -- my patience and voyeurism gave out around the King Rich and the Evil Witch screenplay. I guess if LAPD says you're responsive & alert, there's not a lot anybody can do.
posted by spacewrench at 10:41 AM on March 12, 2016 [1 favorite]


i feel for his former friends, but i also wonder if they know he doesn't want much attention paid to him, what sort of friends they are to make him tabloid fodder. the whole story makes me uncomfortable.
posted by nadawi at 10:44 AM on March 12, 2016 [15 favorites]


Welcome to the world's saddest club, with such diverse members as Harper Lee and L. Ron Hubbard.
posted by Behemoth at 10:46 AM on March 12, 2016 [3 favorites]


i also wonder if they know he doesn't want much attention paid to him, what sort of friends they are to make him tabloid fodder.

Isn't the point of the entire article that his friends think he is being isolated against his will, and not making his own choices in regard to this? That's what I got out of it...
posted by hippybear at 10:47 AM on March 12, 2016 [9 favorites]


I met him in the 80s when I was working at an LA ad agency and he was a client. I felt then and still do that he was a kind and genuine person.
posted by Sassenach at 10:49 AM on March 12, 2016 [14 favorites]


... Is his Facebook page not actually his Facebook page?
posted by asperity at 10:49 AM on March 12, 2016 [6 favorites]


Depression can make being sociable unpleasant and confusing. Maybe Simmons just really needs some time and space to work things out for himself? Sometimes being a good friend means backing off and not insisting and making demands of a friend's time. Especially when they're the kind of friends who might hit your accountant up for money now and then. I don't know. Hard to tell what's really going on here. If authorities have checked in and found no reason to think Simmons is being held captive, maybe he just doesn't want to hang out with people. It does happen. It's not necessarily a crime or evidence of chicanery to want the freedom to be left alone now and then. And you know, when the big bad guy in the story is black magic... I don't know. Not really one of my many problems I guess, but I hope Simmons is okay.
posted by saulgoodman at 10:53 AM on March 12, 2016 [11 favorites]


Such a shame, he's a bit like if you crossed Mr. Rogers and Robin Williams with, I dunno, Tony Little.
posted by symbioid at 11:00 AM on March 12, 2016 [5 favorites]


I hope he's okay. He seems like a real gregarious and kindhearted and loving person, like he gets so much out of that. I'll never forget how he was so moved to tears by getting letters from people who genuinely overcame their loneliness and misery by using his workout videos and basking in his encouragement and gaining confidence.

So I hope he's okay.
posted by discopolo at 11:04 AM on March 12, 2016 [22 favorites]


Isn't the point of the entire article that his friends think he is being isolated against his will, and not making his own choices in regard to this? That's what I got out of it...

i've been following this since the first time they went public with it and i know that's what they're saying now, but at some point i think they have to accept that making this a big public deal is not likely to resolve what they feel is wrong.
posted by nadawi at 11:13 AM on March 12, 2016 [2 favorites]


saulgoodman: "If authorities have checked in and found no reason to think Simmons is being held captive, maybe he just doesn't want to hang out with people. It does happen. It's not necessarily a crime or evidence of chicanery to want the freedom to be left alone now and then."

Yeah, the frustrating thing here is that I'm prepared to believe he's in an emotionally abusive relationship with his housekeeper and manager, but it's quite possible that the abuse doesn't rise to a level that would warrant intervention by law enforcement or Adult Protective Services. Even if he's clearly depressed, it's not anyone's prerogative to take away his decision-making powers unless he gets suicidal or makes highly irrational decisions about his wealth.
posted by savetheclocktower at 11:16 AM on March 12, 2016 [5 favorites]


Many years ago I was waiting with my gf for a table at what was then the Coppola Cafe in North Beach, SF (now Cafe Zoetrope.) The maitre'd, Salvatore, was doing a little jig to the music that a trio was playing, and I joined in, because I have the dancing bug. The trio started playing another song and all of a sudden I hear this big, familiar voice say "Everybody, one, two, three, four: VOLARE, WHOOAH!!" It was none other than Richard himself, standing atop his bench and waving a napkin back and forth to the beat. My gf told me that he had been looking my way while I was dancing. I told her she was full of it.

Not five minutes later, on his way out of the restaurant, Richard made a bee line for us, putting his arm around my gf and leaning in close.

"This one," he said to her, pinching my cheek and grinning a wild grin, "is a little rebel."

I hope he's OK. He was a bright light.
posted by grumpybear69 at 11:16 AM on March 12, 2016 [151 favorites]


What a sad story. It's a shame Oliveira isn't a more reliable source, but what he's saying is well backed up by the reporter.

As a gay man myself, I worry about gay men when they get older. Particularly his generation. No kids, often no partner, getting old alone. Particularly hard for people who were full-into gay culture (ie, not Richard Simmons). Many of your cohort died prematurely in the 80s and 90s. And young gay culture has no time for old men.
posted by Nelson at 11:17 AM on March 12, 2016 [73 favorites]


i don't think we can trust the story of someone who was receiving financial help from simmons and where by his own account, simmons directly cut off their friendship, and he still tried to get money from his accountant long after that - it doesn't paint him in the best light. everything his so called former close friends are saying might be true, but it could also be that he cut off those who were using him.
posted by nadawi at 11:22 AM on March 12, 2016 [10 favorites]


This is a terrible story, and I really hope he gets the help he wants and needs, but I just want to share the insensitive thought that popped into my head about halfway through:
This is a job for The A-Team.
posted by Stonestock Relentless at 11:24 AM on March 12, 2016 [10 favorites]


I didn't realize he was close to 70. I mean, honestly, he's been a fixture in pop culture for so many years now that he feels... timeless, in a way.
posted by qcubed at 11:43 AM on March 12, 2016 [2 favorites]


It's hard to tell what's up versus down here with so many characters surrounding him and accusing each other of dastardly deeds.

it's the Hollywood Hills.
posted by philip-random at 11:49 AM on March 12, 2016 [1 favorite]


... by which I mean, we can't really judge this situation from what one might call a normal perspective. Because it's genuinely a different planet, or more to the point, a sort of hyper-realized planet earth, where folks from all over the planet have chased their big weird dreams of ego-wealth-fame and found each other up in the hills above the city of angels. It's like Chinatown, only different in every way.
posted by philip-random at 11:56 AM on March 12, 2016 [2 favorites]


The last time I heard anything with Richard Simmons was a somewhat bizarre interview on Dirty Pop with Lance Bass on the (now-cancelled) Sirius XM OutQ network.

I didn't realize it was so long ago - apparently 2013 according to the SoundCloud page with the clip. I remember he got flustered about not wanting to play their quiz game or something like that and hung up.
posted by area.man at 12:02 PM on March 12, 2016


My guess, reading the article, is that he has dementia. There doesn't have to be a conspiracy to explain why someone has faded out of life.
posted by jokeefe at 12:03 PM on March 12, 2016 [20 favorites]


Whoever's in charge of his FB page is keeping it bright and chirpy and frequent. Lots of positive links. I don't know what to believe. I've been following him for a couple of years now because he has had a fondness for outrageous drag outfits and poses, and it was good to see him feeling free to be flamboyant. But who knows what that relentlessly positive attitude hid?

Nonetheless, I always felt he was a genuine man, a kind of Mr. Rogers of weight loss. Even when I was a kid, struggling with all the complexes being instilled into me and sometimes with genuine weight issues, I never could hate Richard Simmons. He was ridiculous, but always lovable. (Except when I used to think he was the same person as Slim Goodbody, and I did not like that.)

Whatever the matter is, I hope he is safe and free.
posted by Countess Elena at 12:04 PM on March 12, 2016 [6 favorites]


nadawi: "i don't think we can trust the story of someone who was receiving financial help from simmons and where by his own account, simmons directly cut off their friendship, and he still tried to get money from his accountant long after that - it doesn't paint him in the best light. everything his so called former close friends are saying might be true, but it could also be that he cut off those who were using him."

In that light it could very well be that his manager and housekeeper are trying to save him from the leeches. He may very well want to continue to give them cash like a sucker. Buying attention. The manager may have his best interests at heart. That might explain the little scene with Oliviera. He wants to keep the status quo, but he ultimately knows they're right. He just doesn't have to like it.
posted by Splunge at 12:09 PM on March 12, 2016 [4 favorites]


Yeah. Honestly, this all just sounds like it's probably just a guy who previously couldn't say no to anyone finally found someone who'd do it for him, and now someone is having a hissy fit over the money spigot suddenly turning off.

Like, that first story looks to me like Simmons called Oliveira over to tell him in person that he didn't want to see him anymore. Note that in that story, Simmons says that himself, and leaves the gate open for Oliveira to come in; he has agency and he's not bedridden. Then Oliveira, not able to take Fuck Off for an answer, is all, Let's Talk It Over, essentially forcing Simmons to call for backup to get this crazy asshole out of his house.

But then again, it might be witches.
posted by Sys Rq at 12:21 PM on March 12, 2016 [11 favorites]


(Except when I used to think he was the same person as Slim Goodbody, and I did not like that.)

Wow, it makes me so happy to know I'm not the only person who suffered from this confusion!
posted by saulgoodman at 12:22 PM on March 12, 2016 [11 favorites]


Decades before “Will and Grace” helped make middle America more comfortable with gay culture, Simmons — while never technically out to the public — pushed traditional boundaries of manliness and gender, all while helping others. Rhonda Garelick, a professor of fine- and performing arts at the University of Nebraska-Lincoln, has studied and written about Simmons’ impact. “By inserting himself so dramatically into popular culture, and befriending and working to help overweight women — another group often ostracized or shamed — Simmons did make progress I think for the general acceptance of gay people,” Garelick told me in an email.

I unabashedly love Richard Simmons. He has spent decades of his life (and most, if not all, of mine) being an unceasing supporter, cheerleader and all-around bright spot for people who are struggling through dark times. Years ago, when I was going through a prolonged period of depression, I followed him on facebook and twitter because his energetic, uplifting and encouraging posts were a huge comfort to me, at a time when my own mind and perception were clouded and distorted by darkness. I needed - craved - things and people that were positive and good without a hint of cynicism or sarcasm and that's exactly how he was. Once or twice I commented on a post he had made, just something dumb like "I love this!" or whatever, and he always took time to write a quick reply, which pretty much cemented my love for him. Whether or not it was actually him replying, everything I read about him noted how he always made time to offer encouragement (he would even randomly call people on the phone sometimes, iirc) to his fans and people who were struggling with serious weight issues in a way that was sincere and non-judgemental, when most of the rest of society is unable to do the same. People like Richard Simmons made my life more bearable and he's done the same for millions of other people, in so many different ways. I hope that there are people around him now that are able to help him. I hope that he's okay and safe.
posted by triggerfinger at 12:25 PM on March 12, 2016 [53 favorites]


The comedians Jason and Randy Sklar tell a story about meeting Richard Simmons on an airplane a couple of years ago and what a magical experience it was. I do hope he's OK, that there are no unforeseen long-term effects to sweating to the oldies.
posted by fifteen schnitzengruben is my limit at 12:25 PM on March 12, 2016 [3 favorites]


I mean this as the highest compliment: Richard Simmons has always seemed to me to be the human being you'd get if you turned a dog into a person. We can use as many people like that as we can possibly get. I hope he's OK.
posted by maxwelton at 12:37 PM on March 12, 2016 [64 favorites]


Are we sure that it isn't Olivera that is lighting the red and black candles and summoning spirits? Because surely that's going to be the case when the X-Files turns this story into an episode. Because Hollywood.
posted by happyroach at 12:39 PM on March 12, 2016 [1 favorite]




In the past, I would have discounted this entire story, but after the sad and weird end of Casey Kasem's life, I am much more willing to believe something is up.
posted by briank at 12:53 PM on March 12, 2016 [6 favorites]


I've said it here before but it's a shame he never received a MacArthur Genius grant. He is one of a kind, and a joyful light.
posted by (Arsenio) Hall and (Warren) Oates at 1:16 PM on March 12, 2016 [10 favorites]


Even if he's clearly depressed, it's not anyone's prerogative to take away his decision-making powers unless he gets suicidal or makes highly irrational decisions about his wealth.

This seemed to be the takeaway for me. People want it to be something other than depression, whether you're a celebrity or not, because you can do something about those things. You can say, we could get rid of this bad person in the life of my friend, and then they'd be themselves again. So then you end up with parties conflicting over who exactly the Bad Person is. Is the Bad Person the one who wants them to stay inside, dimming the bright and sociable person we remember? Is the Bad Person the one who wants them to leave the safe places and expose themselves to the cruelty of the world that only ever seems to make it worse?

Everybody might be misguided in some way or another, a lot of people might think they have some great thing he could be doing with his money that might or might not be self-serving, but it seems really, really likely that the real villain here is his own mental health and other people around him aren't dealing with that very well.
posted by Sequence at 1:46 PM on March 12, 2016 [3 favorites]


Richard Simmons shares some DNA with Emperor Norton. He's kinda wonderful.

This situation sounds highly disturbing. Yeah, we're not in a position to know what's really going on, but on the other hand, it just doesn't feel like something whipped up by nogoodniks.
posted by Sticherbeast at 1:59 PM on March 12, 2016 [1 favorite]


At least, it doesn't feel made up out of whole cloth.

I had a relative who was in somewhat similar circumstances. It was one of those things where it was more complicated than just an Evil Witch being Evil, but it wasn't good, either.
posted by Sticherbeast at 2:00 PM on March 12, 2016


Has anybody called Letterman yet?
posted by buzzman at 2:02 PM on March 12, 2016


I simply hope he's OK and not being taken advantage of. After some of the things I've seen, seeing someone elderly being kept away from their friends raises alarm bells in my head.
posted by azpenguin at 2:05 PM on March 12, 2016 [8 favorites]


FREE RICHARD SIMMONS!

if he wants freeing, otherwise... LEAVE RICHARD SIMMONS ALONE! RICHARD SIMMONS ALWAYS DID HIS BEST!
posted by Divine_Wino at 2:45 PM on March 12, 2016 [1 favorite]


One thing I think says a lot about Simmons' character is that up until three years ago he still taught his aerobics class in Beverly Hills at a price that was not prohibitively expensive. Even with his Hollywood Hills house/live-in housekeeper money, Simmons was still getting in the trenches and helping people stay heathy and lose weight, just because that's what he wanted to do.
posted by joechip at 3:14 PM on March 12, 2016 [12 favorites]


Maybe he's gained a lot of weight and would prefer the public not know?
posted by Beholder at 3:18 PM on March 12, 2016 [1 favorite]


Maybe its the start of a whole new health series as his audience grows older:
Watch Witch Summon Simmons and Preventia Dementia!
posted by hal9k at 3:21 PM on March 12, 2016 [1 favorite]


now someone is having a hissy fit over the money spigot suddenly turning off

Perhaps you didn't read the whole article? The troubling thing isn't that Oliveira alone is unhappy; his personal conflict and unhealthy obsession with the story is apparent enough. The troubling thing is how none of Simmons friends have seen him, and how Simmons hasn't done any TV appearances, and how the 3 people who we know are talking to Simmons refuse to talk to anyone. Maybe Simmons has just become a private recluse. Or maybe he has dementia and his loving housekeeper is caring for him. Or maybe a few self-interested people have closed ranks around him and are holding him in virtual captivity with medication and/or social isolation. It's really hard to know, but the story raises troubling questions that would be pretty easy to answer if the situation is legitimately in Simmons' best interest.
posted by Nelson at 3:51 PM on March 12, 2016 [9 favorites]


Oh, this is distressing. Dammit. This man is a real, glittering jewel in our popular culture and has brought so much love and acceptance and fun to people who've really needed it. I can remember thinking, when I was a young-not-wanting-to-be-gay-but-suspecting-I-was kid thinking "I don't want to be like him, if that's what it means to be gay. But, if I am gay, well . . . I want to be just like him -- being as audacious as fuck and helping people help themselves through that audaciousness." I can say that I haven't lived up to the example he set but I'm still hoping to do so, starting with being physically active.

I hope he gets better soon.

I'm also thinking of several of my more "femmy" gay friends who've fallen into pretty deep depression and/or anger in the last year. I know I'm probably conflating things, but it feels so resonant reading this article that I can't help mentioning it. Maybe gay marriage has had something to do with it, in a way that I don't understand . . . ? Maybe it's that you've been fighting your life for your own existence and visibility and once the adversary has been removed, there's nowhere for that fight -- so profoundly well-honed and effective because, otherwise, you wouldn't have survived -- to go but inside and toward one's closest confidants.
posted by treepour at 4:15 PM on March 12, 2016 [11 favorites]


“Richard Simmons Is Not Missing, He's 'Simply Taking a Break from the Public Eye,' Says Rep,” Andrea Park and Melody Chiu, People, 12 March 2016
posted by ob1quixote at 4:17 PM on March 12, 2016 [2 favorites]




Dang, I always meant to go to one of his fitness classes in Beverly Hills. They looked like they were a blast.
posted by mandymanwasregistered at 4:35 PM on March 12, 2016 [1 favorite]


This is very sad. Losing a beloved pet could create deep depression if he already felt somewhat isolated. I hope Richard can get some comfort one day and I wish him well.
posted by Muncle at 5:01 PM on March 12, 2016 [2 favorites]


Dang, I always meant to go to one of his fitness classes in Beverly Hills. They looked like they were a blast.

They were, I kid you not, a transcendent experience and a HELL of a workout.
posted by listen, lady at 5:52 PM on March 12, 2016 [3 favorites]


has anyone contacted David Letterman?
posted by jonmc at 6:17 PM on March 12, 2016 [1 favorite]


I was not allowed to watch much TV as a kid, mostly PBS, but my mom always watched Simmons with me, and I always figured that was part of why I turned out weird (in a good way). Probably also why I gravitate towards gender-flexible people, come to think of it. This reminder of what a sweetheart he is makes it clearer to me why my mom made exceptions for his show. I hope he's ok. I want to give him a hug.
posted by gusandrews at 6:55 PM on March 12, 2016


With his history, would it be possible for him just to be taken care of in old age by people invested in his safety?*


*it's what I want the story to end up being
posted by AlexiaSky at 7:42 PM on March 12, 2016 [3 favorites]


The case as it stands to exemplify a new sort of adult abuse; should the public perspective show drawbacks of social media. There is certain and specific danger in the digitalization of human identities; and that risk is not adequately shouldered by the incorporated entities which provide social media services. Court records demonstrate a pattern of user account hijacking; and this leaves victims traumatized and agoraphobic. Image theft is the wrongdoing which enables: blackmail; extortion; and slander; against those citizens who have done nothing more than participate in social media online, there is no greater threat. The problem is most severe towards celebrities and public figures; such that there is an inordinate conditional probability of damage done, given the probability of payment provided for image protection. The necessary cost of image protection services qualify as a racket; thusly the value of a federal copyright is imperiled by effective forgery. There is a set of situations where adults are thus confined to a residence and IP address; lest they become unidentified and then dehumanized. The case in abstract therefore constitutes a new type of crime; should the legislature view aforementioned misconduct as Identity Kidnapping.

For the case of Richard Simmons vs. Oliveira et al; the pattern of abuse is observable. The victimizers are generally business associates, in-home workers, or adoptive family. The wrongdoers have only the weakest legal justification for their acts; and they almost invariably cite pseudoscience to describe the mental state of the aggrieved such that he or she might be deprived of property or human rights. Herein we have a witness asserting that witchcraft has incapacitated Richard Simmons; but in general thereby do perpetrators invoke parapsychological explanations for their misdeeds. The citation of discredited source material is thusly a scam to gain immunity from perjury by invocation of cultural bias. The criminal enterprise is to commit fraud and/or theft of: mail; personal documents; and financial assets. The crime is aggravated by social media companies and talent agencies. Richard Simmons is therefore confined to his residence as a victim of Identity Kidnapping.
posted by MisplaceDisgrace at 9:56 AM on March 13, 2016 [1 favorite]


For the record, when a suspect refers to a description of Identity Kidnapping as "hostility"; that defensive mischaracterization should be recognized as a sure sign of guilt.
posted by MisplaceDisgrace at 1:15 PM on March 13, 2016


... Is his Facebook page not actually his Facebook page?

I've been told that his publicist hired someone to run it.
posted by Jacqueline at 5:53 PM on March 13, 2016


I really wish there were something between just worrying and calling APS or filling out an intimidating form. Especially since the police were already out there in January to check on him.

On the other hand…
Tomorrow on TODAY... Richard Simmons speaks out to @SavannahGuthrie in an exclusive interview.— TODAY (@TODAYshow) March 13, 2016
posted by ob1quixote at 6:36 PM on March 13, 2016 [2 favorites]


from the (call-in) interview it really sounds like he's made the choice to recluse himself. hearing that he had problems in his other knee really makes me think this is about not wanting people to see him physically deteriorate and/or depression about how fitness isn't enough to keep him fit any longer.
posted by nadawi at 7:16 AM on March 14, 2016 [3 favorites]


Man, I hope he's okay. That article paints a very dark and all-too believable picture :(
posted by zarq at 10:17 AM on March 14, 2016


Simmons' appearance on Whose Line is one of the funniest things I've ever seen.
posted by zarq at 10:20 AM on March 14, 2016 [2 favorites]


Here's the Today Show link. It won't come up for me at work, but from all descriptions of it, it's him and he seems fine. (Yes, he's thinner, but he's a 67-year-old man.) And, Nelson, besides Black Magic Man, the two "friends" who went on the record were the head of a charity he was working with and the owner of his favorite wig shop. And it's hardly unknown for celebrities to simply give up working. Rick Moranis hasn't done a live-action role for nineteen years.
posted by Halloween Jack at 10:46 AM on March 14, 2016 [1 favorite]


I hope he's okay.

Also, someone should tap Pauly Shore for the biopic, because the resemblance is uncanny.
posted by entropicamericana at 2:27 PM on March 14, 2016 [1 favorite]


So maybe Black Magic hipster man is running a hustle and his claims about not wanting publicity were BS, because he's trying to gaslight Simmons into a Satanic panic to make him mistrust himself and his house staff so that the spiggots of money and celebrity attention open up again? That seems like a pretty likely scenario to me now. In which case the original FPP article is an artifact of some sleazy or self-deluded grifter's attempts to psychologically manipulate Simmons, and it's kind of sad to think of news articles being used that way.
posted by saulgoodman at 9:57 AM on March 15, 2016


Rick Moranis hasn't done a live-action role for nineteen years.
But Rick Moranis didn't also ghost on all his friends, either.
posted by uberchet at 2:25 PM on March 15, 2016 [1 favorite]


we don't actually know if he ghosted all his friends or if these friends are selling that story. one of the things that keeps changing about this story every new time it gets reported is the dates when he supposedly cut off contact because there keeps being friends (who seem to have a financial interest in the friendship) who were hanging out with him after whatever the last date mentioned was.
posted by nadawi at 3:38 PM on March 15, 2016


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