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April 19, 2016 7:35 PM Subscribe
I don't understand this author at all. How unimaginative is the "sex" they're talking about?
Also, do cars not exist where they come from? Were they just so privileged (or alone) when they were young and broke that they never had to get creative?
posted by trackofalljades at 7:42 PM on April 19, 2016 [3 favorites]
Also, do cars not exist where they come from? Were they just so privileged (or alone) when they were young and broke that they never had to get creative?
posted by trackofalljades at 7:42 PM on April 19, 2016 [3 favorites]
It's like she never had sex in a rickety dorm bunkbed lofted to within six inches of the ceiling. Many of these tiny houses are paradisical by comparison!
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 7:43 PM on April 19, 2016 [34 favorites]
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 7:43 PM on April 19, 2016 [34 favorites]
I just want to make an omelette.
posted by downtohisturtles at 7:44 PM on April 19, 2016 [14 favorites]
posted by downtohisturtles at 7:44 PM on April 19, 2016 [14 favorites]
Eyebrows, that should have been my first thought as well...oh man the days when getting it on safely required knowing where your 9/16" wrench was because damn those lofts like to take themselves apart.
posted by trackofalljades at 7:47 PM on April 19, 2016 [4 favorites]
posted by trackofalljades at 7:47 PM on April 19, 2016 [4 favorites]
I'm trying to figure out if I've stayed in the fifth one down as a holiday home.
And no, no sex occurred. I did however spend the entire time worrying about the kids plunging to their doom on the ladder.
posted by Artw at 7:48 PM on April 19, 2016
And no, no sex occurred. I did however spend the entire time worrying about the kids plunging to their doom on the ladder.
posted by Artw at 7:48 PM on April 19, 2016
Or sex in a van, or sex outside under the stars, or sex in a graveyard...
And seriously she is not that imaginative - I looked at the first picture and saw at least three good prone/supine/sidelying combo moves for the creatively coitus minded. Where there's a will, someone will get laid - even in a box.
I'm all for sex positive humor but this missed the mark for me.
posted by thebotanyofsouls at 7:48 PM on April 19, 2016 [1 favorite]
And seriously she is not that imaginative - I looked at the first picture and saw at least three good prone/supine/sidelying combo moves for the creatively coitus minded. Where there's a will, someone will get laid - even in a box.
I'm all for sex positive humor but this missed the mark for me.
posted by thebotanyofsouls at 7:48 PM on April 19, 2016 [1 favorite]
Look, according to my infallible television all these houses are in a field full of amber waves of grain. Go outside, put down a blanket, FUUUUUUUUUCK
posted by selfnoise at 7:49 PM on April 19, 2016 [10 favorites]
posted by selfnoise at 7:49 PM on April 19, 2016 [10 favorites]
I didn't bat an eyelash at having sex in rickety lofted beds, low futons, floor mattresses, and other such bedding arrangements when I was in my 20s. But I gotta say that in my 40s, with joints that sometimes get creaky in the way that they do when one is in their 40s...I am a little more choosy about my sexytimes comfort.
posted by desuetude at 7:51 PM on April 19, 2016 [29 favorites]
posted by desuetude at 7:51 PM on April 19, 2016 [29 favorites]
Or sex in a van, or sex outside under the stars, or sex in a graveyard...
Sex in a desk, sex in a burrito, sex in a 2400-baud modem, sex in a hat, sex in a painting of a barn,
posted by beerperson at 7:51 PM on April 19, 2016 [102 favorites]
Sex in a desk, sex in a burrito, sex in a 2400-baud modem, sex in a hat, sex in a painting of a barn,
posted by beerperson at 7:51 PM on April 19, 2016 [102 favorites]
I'm extremely doing sex in all kinds of places and I condemn this author
posted by naju at 7:54 PM on April 19, 2016 [50 favorites]
posted by naju at 7:54 PM on April 19, 2016 [50 favorites]
Thank you, desuetude, I thought I was the only one. (Although for me, it's less about age than it is about listen, the diva just needs a lot of room in which to work her magic)
And all y'all talking about sex in a car - okay, I confess that was 20 years ago for me, but there wasn't much room there either, so I'm not seeing how it's an improvement. And outside is fun too, but - come back to me after you've tried that in winter, or when the mosquitos are out, or in the rain, or....I mean, once in a while, outside is awesome, but as a rule? Nah.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 7:55 PM on April 19, 2016 [12 favorites]
And all y'all talking about sex in a car - okay, I confess that was 20 years ago for me, but there wasn't much room there either, so I'm not seeing how it's an improvement. And outside is fun too, but - come back to me after you've tried that in winter, or when the mosquitos are out, or in the rain, or....I mean, once in a while, outside is awesome, but as a rule? Nah.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 7:55 PM on April 19, 2016 [12 favorites]
I would not like it in a hut, not with some smut, not in my butt,
I would not could not in a yurt, in the dirt, make it spurt,
I do not like small homes and sex,
I do not like it, Sam I am.
posted by Abehammerb Lincoln at 7:56 PM on April 19, 2016 [64 favorites]
I would not could not in a yurt, in the dirt, make it spurt,
I do not like small homes and sex,
I do not like it, Sam I am.
posted by Abehammerb Lincoln at 7:56 PM on April 19, 2016 [64 favorites]
We've gotten hooked on Tiny House Nation, and it's a fun show with a good heart. It's kind of awesome to see these burly dudes with power tools being so considerate and sweet! (They did an episode where this woman had a little boy who wanted a place for his collection of princess dolls, and the host and the carpenter guy didn't even blink and got to work figuring out how to accommodate that. They built him a little wooden castle. I grew up a sissy kid, and in that moment the show stole my heart away.)
But yeah, it's a real question how people can make the sex happen in a situation like that. I lived in an apartment that was probably like 200-something feet, and room was never much of an issue. But I was young and single. How do parents in a tiny space ever do anything with a couple of 8-year-old kids four feet away?
As Portlandia put it: "I can feel your hot breath on me at all times!"
posted by Ursula Hitler at 7:57 PM on April 19, 2016 [21 favorites]
But yeah, it's a real question how people can make the sex happen in a situation like that. I lived in an apartment that was probably like 200-something feet, and room was never much of an issue. But I was young and single. How do parents in a tiny space ever do anything with a couple of 8-year-old kids four feet away?
As Portlandia put it: "I can feel your hot breath on me at all times!"
posted by Ursula Hitler at 7:57 PM on April 19, 2016 [21 favorites]
I'm twenty three years old and I have a bed that I got cheap from Craigslist that will collapse if you put literally any pressure on the right side since the slats pop right out. I wrapped the metal slat holder bar in duct tape, and that helps the situation in that I can now can put one hand on it and apply moderate pressure before it does it, instead of spontaneously doing it whenever anyone breathes upon it.
Anyway, my Grindr hookups these days are a sordid story of inching slowly to the left while hoping the dude follows my lead.
posted by Conspire at 7:58 PM on April 19, 2016 [22 favorites]
Anyway, my Grindr hookups these days are a sordid story of inching slowly to the left while hoping the dude follows my lead.
posted by Conspire at 7:58 PM on April 19, 2016 [22 favorites]
I could not, would not, on a boat.
I cannot, cannot, with a goat.
I cannot do it in the rain.
I cannot do it on a train.
Not in the dark! Not in a tree!
Not in a car! You let me be!
I cannot do it in a box.
I cannot do it with a fox.
I cannot in a tiny house.
I cannot do it with a mouse.
I cannot do it here or there.
I cannot do it ANYWHERE!
[damn, beaten to the punch]
posted by Behemoth at 7:59 PM on April 19, 2016 [28 favorites]
I cannot, cannot, with a goat.
I cannot do it in the rain.
I cannot do it on a train.
Not in the dark! Not in a tree!
Not in a car! You let me be!
I cannot do it in a box.
I cannot do it with a fox.
I cannot in a tiny house.
I cannot do it with a mouse.
I cannot do it here or there.
I cannot do it ANYWHERE!
[damn, beaten to the punch]
posted by Behemoth at 7:59 PM on April 19, 2016 [28 favorites]
People are still having sex, and nothing seems to stop them.
posted by Chrysostom at 8:00 PM on April 19, 2016 [9 favorites]
posted by Chrysostom at 8:00 PM on April 19, 2016 [9 favorites]
boy i hope the next 20 comments are more people talking about how they, too, have had sex
posted by beerperson at 8:03 PM on April 19, 2016 [59 favorites]
posted by beerperson at 8:03 PM on April 19, 2016 [59 favorites]
I have had sex in a front seat of a chevette so I'm calling bullshit on people not having sex in tiny houses.
posted by fluffy battle kitten at 8:03 PM on April 19, 2016 [5 favorites]
posted by fluffy battle kitten at 8:03 PM on April 19, 2016 [5 favorites]
How do parents in a tiny space ever do anything with a couple of 8-year-old kids four feet away?
Most families in the world who have any beds have one bed for the whole family.
posted by straight at 8:08 PM on April 19, 2016 [4 favorites]
Most families in the world who have any beds have one bed for the whole family.
posted by straight at 8:08 PM on April 19, 2016 [4 favorites]
It's like what Kaufman said to Frank Lloyd Wright:
"By Jove Frank, I don't want to get stabbed by the chair, can we put some cushions down, maybe a dead cheetah for the stone floor."
posted by clavdivs at 8:08 PM on April 19, 2016 [9 favorites]
"By Jove Frank, I don't want to get stabbed by the chair, can we put some cushions down, maybe a dead cheetah for the stone floor."
posted by clavdivs at 8:08 PM on April 19, 2016 [9 favorites]
I've never figured out how anyone managed to have sex in a car but then I'm 6'2" and 250# and usually own subcompacts.
posted by octothorpe at 8:10 PM on April 19, 2016 [3 favorites]
posted by octothorpe at 8:10 PM on April 19, 2016 [3 favorites]
Ok, I get that it's *possible* to have sex in a tiny house. However, I would not be having as much sex in a tiny house as I do in my normal apartment, that's for damn sure.
posted by samthemander at 8:11 PM on April 19, 2016 [5 favorites]
posted by samthemander at 8:11 PM on April 19, 2016 [5 favorites]
If I lived in one of those tiny houses, I'd just be a mass of bruises from constantly bashing into things while I tried to navigate around. Eventually I'd manage to knock myself out cold by sitting up in bed too fast.
posted by octothorpe at 8:15 PM on April 19, 2016 [19 favorites]
posted by octothorpe at 8:15 PM on April 19, 2016 [19 favorites]
For some reason I keep imagining the scene with Bill Murray and General Barnake's house in Stripes.
posted by MikeWarot at 8:15 PM on April 19, 2016 [6 favorites]
posted by MikeWarot at 8:15 PM on April 19, 2016 [6 favorites]
Octothorpe: you're going to want to stay on the bottom.
posted by Abehammerb Lincoln at 8:19 PM on April 19, 2016
posted by Abehammerb Lincoln at 8:19 PM on April 19, 2016
boy i hope the next 20 comments are more people talking about how they, too, have had sex
That's sort of an odd comment, giving that the article in question is about the supposed infeasibility of having sex in a tiny house.
posted by Ursula Hitler at 8:20 PM on April 19, 2016 [1 favorite]
That's sort of an odd comment, giving that the article in question is about the supposed infeasibility of having sex in a tiny house.
posted by Ursula Hitler at 8:20 PM on April 19, 2016 [1 favorite]
The question is what tiny houses have sex in. Do they have to find a special motel for architecture. Do they have to put up with the nth wry motel clerk who wiggled an eyebrow and mumbled "archiSEXture". Do you have to get special chimney condoms. What's the zoning situation.
posted by cortex at 8:21 PM on April 19, 2016 [16 favorites]
posted by cortex at 8:21 PM on April 19, 2016 [16 favorites]
Following Roxane Gay on Twitter is worth it for the tiny house rants alone.
posted by kmz at 8:21 PM on April 19, 2016 [1 favorite]
posted by kmz at 8:21 PM on April 19, 2016 [1 favorite]
Next up: People in Cathedrals Can't Have Sex.
posted by Mr.Encyclopedia at 8:21 PM on April 19, 2016 [1 favorite]
posted by Mr.Encyclopedia at 8:21 PM on April 19, 2016 [1 favorite]
How do parents in a tiny space ever do anything with a couple of 8-year-old kids four feet away?
They will live in the tiny house for approximately 36 hours and then run screaming to get a place where they can shut the doors.
Even one kid in a space that big is a lotta nope.
posted by BlueHorse at 8:23 PM on April 19, 2016 [4 favorites]
They will live in the tiny house for approximately 36 hours and then run screaming to get a place where they can shut the doors.
Even one kid in a space that big is a lotta nope.
posted by BlueHorse at 8:23 PM on April 19, 2016 [4 favorites]
beerperson: "Andy?"
Edgar Kaufmann, owner of the (now sadly departed) Kaufmann's department store, and the guy Wright designed Fallingwater for.
posted by Chrysostom at 8:23 PM on April 19, 2016 [6 favorites]
Edgar Kaufmann, owner of the (now sadly departed) Kaufmann's department store, and the guy Wright designed Fallingwater for.
posted by Chrysostom at 8:23 PM on April 19, 2016 [6 favorites]
"I understand the comfort and security of a crib is very enticing" actually no not really not at all jesus christ
but anyway at least some of them had an entire torso worth of clearance which is really plenty.
posted by Rainbo Vagrant at 8:23 PM on April 19, 2016 [1 favorite]
but anyway at least some of them had an entire torso worth of clearance which is really plenty.
posted by Rainbo Vagrant at 8:23 PM on April 19, 2016 [1 favorite]
I just discovered that there is a thing: Tiny Houses. This thing has a thing written about it. Being introduced to a thing, by another thing referencing another thing about the thing, is why I love Metafilter.
That is all.
posted by Chuffy at 8:25 PM on April 19, 2016 [2 favorites]
That is all.
posted by Chuffy at 8:25 PM on April 19, 2016 [2 favorites]
Edgar Kaufmann, owner of the (now sadly departed) Kaufmann's department store, and the guy Wright designed Fallingwater for.
I heard a rumor he faked his death as a prank
posted by beerperson at 8:25 PM on April 19, 2016 [3 favorites]
I heard a rumor he faked his death as a prank
posted by beerperson at 8:25 PM on April 19, 2016 [3 favorites]
downtohisturtles: "I just want to make an omelette."
If you're not familiar with that reference...
posted by schmod at 8:26 PM on April 19, 2016
If you're not familiar with that reference...
posted by schmod at 8:26 PM on April 19, 2016
Most families in the world who have any beds have one bed for the whole family.
Quietly and with minimal movement racing to mutual orgasm without waking the kids has its charms.
posted by Meatbomb at 8:27 PM on April 19, 2016 [2 favorites]
Quietly and with minimal movement racing to mutual orgasm without waking the kids has its charms.
posted by Meatbomb at 8:27 PM on April 19, 2016 [2 favorites]
Maybe with all the money they save on mortgages they just get nice hotel rooms for the sexing.
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 8:28 PM on April 19, 2016 [5 favorites]
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 8:28 PM on April 19, 2016 [5 favorites]
Edgar Kaufmann, owner of the (now sadly departed) Kaufmann's department store, and the guy Wright designed Fallingwater for.
I've managed to hit my head multiple times visiting Fallingwater. Wright hated tall people and that place is a deathtrap.
posted by octothorpe at 8:28 PM on April 19, 2016 [12 favorites]
I've managed to hit my head multiple times visiting Fallingwater. Wright hated tall people and that place is a deathtrap.
posted by octothorpe at 8:28 PM on April 19, 2016 [12 favorites]
Fear of injury really makes relaxing enough for sexytimes difficult. We are both tall and clumsy and so no, this will not be our thing, but carry on tiny and/or graceful and/or contortionist types.
posted by emjaybee at 8:31 PM on April 19, 2016
posted by emjaybee at 8:31 PM on April 19, 2016
No. Do not just get an apartment. Because everywhere I have had an apartment the neighbors have had loud wall banging sex. For fu...well rather for god's sake, stop fucking fucking. Or at least just keep the porn star screaming down. At first it was like "oh wow, is that...oh". At the next place it was "Well okay then." Next place..."Jeez, here they go again". Next place "Oh COME on!" And at the next place it was like why are you fucking loudly fucking at 7am on a Saturday? JUST GET A TINY HOUSE.
please
posted by cashman at 8:35 PM on April 19, 2016 [7 favorites]
please
posted by cashman at 8:35 PM on April 19, 2016 [7 favorites]
And at the next place it was like why are you fucking loudly fucking at 7am on a Saturday?
orgasms prolly
posted by beerperson at 8:37 PM on April 19, 2016 [25 favorites]
orgasms prolly
posted by beerperson at 8:37 PM on April 19, 2016 [25 favorites]
Metafilter: more fun than having sex in a tiny house.
posted by datawrangler at 8:39 PM on April 19, 2016
posted by datawrangler at 8:39 PM on April 19, 2016
I can't believe people are talking about sex in this sex talk thread
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 8:46 PM on April 19, 2016 [1 favorite]
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 8:46 PM on April 19, 2016 [1 favorite]
Maybe they just have tiny sex.
tiny sex
posted by Kabanos at 8:47 PM on April 19, 2016 [43 favorites]
tiny sex
posted by Kabanos at 8:47 PM on April 19, 2016 [43 favorites]
Metafilter: Being introduced to a thing, by another thing referencing another thing about the thing
posted by Kabanos at 8:48 PM on April 19, 2016 [5 favorites]
posted by Kabanos at 8:48 PM on April 19, 2016 [5 favorites]
How do parents in a tiny space ever do anything with a couple of 8-year-old kids four feet away?
Japan has got this. "Love hotels" charge by the hour. The one in the town I was in had Santa Claus on it and was called Happy Christmas.
posted by Hoopo at 8:49 PM on April 19, 2016 [3 favorites]
Japan has got this. "Love hotels" charge by the hour. The one in the town I was in had Santa Claus on it and was called Happy Christmas.
posted by Hoopo at 8:49 PM on April 19, 2016 [3 favorites]
maybe it's like pandas in the zoo
maybe these people need pandas in people suits to come in and put some people porns on the teevee
posted by poffin boffin at 8:52 PM on April 19, 2016 [15 favorites]
maybe these people need pandas in people suits to come in and put some people porns on the teevee
posted by poffin boffin at 8:52 PM on April 19, 2016 [15 favorites]
I am not even going to comment.
posted by bonobothegreat at 8:55 PM on April 19, 2016 [8 favorites]
posted by bonobothegreat at 8:55 PM on April 19, 2016 [8 favorites]
Eyebrows, that should have been my first thought as well...oh man the days when getting it on safely required knowing where your 9/16" wrench was because damn those lofts like to take themselves apart.
One of our kids has a loft bed in his room, and the other two have bunkbeds. The loft and bunkbeds were made according to plans from a company called OPLoftbeds. The "OP" stands for "orgasm proof." Of course, we haven't told the children that. But damn they are some sturdy beds. I weigh 300 pounds and they don't so much as creak or wiggle if I climb them.
I do think the author is right on when she says, "...maybe it’s because they are living in glorified trailers but seem like they would judge people who live in trailers. Or maybe it’s because I grew up in what would be classified as a Tiny Apartment not because of cutesy eco-living, but because that’s what my dad could afford." There's such an interesting thing going on with the Tiny House movement, which I am totally into by the way because I have always loved tiny houses. There's one across the street from some friends of ours that I dream of swooping in to buy should it ever come on the market. It's just a tiny house, though, not a Tiny House.
My grandma lived in a very decent trailer park, and I often think, when looking at these little architectural wonders, about how much more economical it would be for people to just get a manufactured home. Our family lives in a small house—1100 square feet, three bedrooms [plus a semi-finished, useable basement space] and one bathroom for six people. It's a combination of economics and preference that has led us to live here. It's not anything fancy, just a mid-century ranch. But we're not part of this "movement" because that would require us to be more interested in having a home with a unique style and stylish aesthetics. Conspicuous non-consumption, you might almost call it.
posted by not that girl at 8:57 PM on April 19, 2016 [8 favorites]
One of our kids has a loft bed in his room, and the other two have bunkbeds. The loft and bunkbeds were made according to plans from a company called OPLoftbeds. The "OP" stands for "orgasm proof." Of course, we haven't told the children that. But damn they are some sturdy beds. I weigh 300 pounds and they don't so much as creak or wiggle if I climb them.
I do think the author is right on when she says, "...maybe it’s because they are living in glorified trailers but seem like they would judge people who live in trailers. Or maybe it’s because I grew up in what would be classified as a Tiny Apartment not because of cutesy eco-living, but because that’s what my dad could afford." There's such an interesting thing going on with the Tiny House movement, which I am totally into by the way because I have always loved tiny houses. There's one across the street from some friends of ours that I dream of swooping in to buy should it ever come on the market. It's just a tiny house, though, not a Tiny House.
My grandma lived in a very decent trailer park, and I often think, when looking at these little architectural wonders, about how much more economical it would be for people to just get a manufactured home. Our family lives in a small house—1100 square feet, three bedrooms [plus a semi-finished, useable basement space] and one bathroom for six people. It's a combination of economics and preference that has led us to live here. It's not anything fancy, just a mid-century ranch. But we're not part of this "movement" because that would require us to be more interested in having a home with a unique style and stylish aesthetics. Conspicuous non-consumption, you might almost call it.
posted by not that girl at 8:57 PM on April 19, 2016 [8 favorites]
Also, I have had sex in a number of situations that weren't private, but where there was a shared pretense of privacy. I've talked about the Michigan Womyn's Music Festival, where everyone pretends that tent walls block noise as well as sight, but in college, being in a loft, and therefore visually isolated from people below, was often treated as sufficient for sex purposes. I've also lived in shared houses where the vents allowed for sound to travel almost unrestricted.
posted by not that girl at 9:02 PM on April 19, 2016
posted by not that girl at 9:02 PM on April 19, 2016
required knowing where your 9/16" wrench was because damn those lofts like to take themselves apart
Loctite is a thing...
posted by Confess, Fletch at 9:04 PM on April 19, 2016 [2 favorites]
Loctite is a thing...
posted by Confess, Fletch at 9:04 PM on April 19, 2016 [2 favorites]
How much room do you need overhead for your hand to go up and down? I suspect for most, it is about 6 inches.
I think sex was the subject that the first person who said, "Where there is a will, there is a way."
Whenever I watch those shows, one I am amazed at the use of space, and two, I always question why they don't just buy an RV.
posted by AugustWest at 9:05 PM on April 19, 2016 [3 favorites]
I think sex was the subject that the first person who said, "Where there is a will, there is a way."
Whenever I watch those shows, one I am amazed at the use of space, and two, I always question why they don't just buy an RV.
posted by AugustWest at 9:05 PM on April 19, 2016 [3 favorites]
...a shared pretense of privacy...
Or the eccentrically expanded house where the bedrooms shared a window.
posted by Confess, Fletch at 9:08 PM on April 19, 2016 [2 favorites]
Or the eccentrically expanded house where the bedrooms shared a window.
posted by Confess, Fletch at 9:08 PM on April 19, 2016 [2 favorites]
A lot of tiny houses are built by their owners, often as a first serious building project, and a disproportionate number of those builders are women. I think it's less "conspicuous non-consumption" and more "this is a small enough project for one person to tackle."
There's definitely an "eco conscious and willing to pay for it" part of the movement too, but they're all pretty up front that it isn't cheap. It's cheapER than a $350,000 McMansion but it's not cheap in the grand scheme of inexpensive housing. (They're not significantly more expensive than a new RV of similar size, tho.)
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 9:09 PM on April 19, 2016 [2 favorites]
There's definitely an "eco conscious and willing to pay for it" part of the movement too, but they're all pretty up front that it isn't cheap. It's cheapER than a $350,000 McMansion but it's not cheap in the grand scheme of inexpensive housing. (They're not significantly more expensive than a new RV of similar size, tho.)
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 9:09 PM on April 19, 2016 [2 favorites]
The people who think they can build it super-cheap are almost all crazy naive, under researched, have no building skills, can't live without corian counters, and keep a self-righteous blog about the build process so you can watch it spiral rapidly out of control as they realize they don't know how to weld. Or hammer. Or what lumber costs. But that they must have hammered copper sinks even though they're already $20,000 over budget. I get sucked into these train wrecks all the time and cannot look away, it's like a whole distinct genre.
If someone sets a build price under $20k they either already have building skills AND access to cast-off materials, or they have no idea what they're talking about and it's about to be a glorious catastrophe. My favorites are the ones where they realize they find composting toilets horrifying but IT'S TOO LATE.
I don't know why I love the Tiny House Disaster genre so much but I do.
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 9:19 PM on April 19, 2016 [37 favorites]
If someone sets a build price under $20k they either already have building skills AND access to cast-off materials, or they have no idea what they're talking about and it's about to be a glorious catastrophe. My favorites are the ones where they realize they find composting toilets horrifying but IT'S TOO LATE.
I don't know why I love the Tiny House Disaster genre so much but I do.
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 9:19 PM on April 19, 2016 [37 favorites]
One of our kids has a loft bed in his room, and the other two have bunkbeds. The loft and bunkbeds were made according to plans from a company called OPLoftbeds. The "OP" stands for "orgasm proof." Of course, we haven't told the children that. But damn they are some sturdy beds. I weigh 300 pounds and they don't so much as creak or wiggle if I climb them.
It actually stands for Orgy Proof. I always meant to build one, but I never quite got around to it. And then I moved from a 300 sq ft studio to a 1200 sq ft warehouse, and suddenly space was much less of a problem.
posted by mollymayhem at 9:21 PM on April 19, 2016 [2 favorites]
It actually stands for Orgy Proof. I always meant to build one, but I never quite got around to it. And then I moved from a 300 sq ft studio to a 1200 sq ft warehouse, and suddenly space was much less of a problem.
posted by mollymayhem at 9:21 PM on April 19, 2016 [2 favorites]
Quietly and with minimal movement racing to mutual orgasm without waking the kids has its charms.
Not for the kids. My parents were never as quiet as they thought they were.
posted by Dip Flash at 9:32 PM on April 19, 2016 [7 favorites]
Not for the kids. My parents were never as quiet as they thought they were.
posted by Dip Flash at 9:32 PM on April 19, 2016 [7 favorites]
Please someone do a riff poem based on the hedgehog can't be buggered at all.
posted by susiswimmer at 9:34 PM on April 19, 2016 [3 favorites]
posted by susiswimmer at 9:34 PM on April 19, 2016 [3 favorites]
EmpressCallipygos: " And outside is fun too, but - come back to me after you've tried that in winter, or when the mosquitos are out, or in the rain, or....I mean, once in a while, outside is awesome, but as a rule? "
Ok, I'm back. Still beds are nice. But there is plenty you could do in any of those beds.
AugustWest: "Whenever I watch those shows, one I am amazed at the use of space, and two, I always question why they don't just buy an RV."
Because RVs are stapled together pieces of crap. Tiny houses can be that too but they can be as good (or often better because of the small square footage) as any regular size house.
posted by Mitheral at 9:48 PM on April 19, 2016 [1 favorite]
Ok, I'm back. Still beds are nice. But there is plenty you could do in any of those beds.
AugustWest: "Whenever I watch those shows, one I am amazed at the use of space, and two, I always question why they don't just buy an RV."
Because RVs are stapled together pieces of crap. Tiny houses can be that too but they can be as good (or often better because of the small square footage) as any regular size house.
posted by Mitheral at 9:48 PM on April 19, 2016 [1 favorite]
I'm obsessed with allll the tiny house shows, and I can't tell where my line is between love it as storage porn and hatewatching. But yeah, the utter long-term infeasibility of a lot of the design (before we even get to the sexytimes, I wanna know how that ladder-to-your-bed-crawlspace works when you get to an age where you sometimes wake up with completely inexplicable, yet searing joint pain) brings out my hatewatching side for sure.
So one of my favorite tiny house episodes so far was for some couple and their their 16 year-old daughter. With open loft bedrooms about 12 feet apart. And when they do the "two months later" tag at the end (it's always the best part of the show!) the, husband, wife, and daughter all cringed and were all, "yeahhhh, it turns out there's not a lot of privacy?" So they HUNG SHEER CURTAINS. Um, somehow I doubt that's really addressing the issue.
I want all of the episodes to have a one year follow-up as well.
posted by TwoStride at 9:48 PM on April 19, 2016 [11 favorites]
So one of my favorite tiny house episodes so far was for some couple and their their 16 year-old daughter. With open loft bedrooms about 12 feet apart. And when they do the "two months later" tag at the end (it's always the best part of the show!) the, husband, wife, and daughter all cringed and were all, "yeahhhh, it turns out there's not a lot of privacy?" So they HUNG SHEER CURTAINS. Um, somehow I doubt that's really addressing the issue.
I want all of the episodes to have a one year follow-up as well.
posted by TwoStride at 9:48 PM on April 19, 2016 [11 favorites]
I always question why they don't just buy an RV.
Because that would totally undercut the smug, hipster classism of 90% of the people featured. I love when they're all, "this is my tiny home on wheels! It's so new and fresh and free!" as if mobile homes are a brand new idea. But trailer parks are tacky, as opposed to parking on your parents' luxurious property or buying 5 acres outside of Portland, or whatever.
posted by TwoStride at 9:51 PM on April 19, 2016 [18 favorites]
Because that would totally undercut the smug, hipster classism of 90% of the people featured. I love when they're all, "this is my tiny home on wheels! It's so new and fresh and free!" as if mobile homes are a brand new idea. But trailer parks are tacky, as opposed to parking on your parents' luxurious property or buying 5 acres outside of Portland, or whatever.
posted by TwoStride at 9:51 PM on April 19, 2016 [18 favorites]
If someone sets a build price under $20k they either already have building skills AND access to cast-off materials, or they have no idea what they're talking about and it's about to be a glorious catastrophe. My favorites are the ones where they realize they find composting toilets horrifying but IT'S TOO LATE.
Eyebrows McGee, I would greatly appreciate any interesting links you have, because I can see myself wasting some time in an enjoyable fashion.
posted by Salieri at 9:56 PM on April 19, 2016 [11 favorites]
Eyebrows McGee, I would greatly appreciate any interesting links you have, because I can see myself wasting some time in an enjoyable fashion.
posted by Salieri at 9:56 PM on April 19, 2016 [11 favorites]
Most Tiny House owners don't intend it as a permanent choice (although they do sell ADA-compliant tiny houses, and there are retired couples who build their own senior friendly models, often with Murphy beds. In Minneapolis Medicare will pay part of the cost of having an ADA compliant unit rented in your backyard for your mom to live in while she recovers from her fall! Cheaper than a nursing home or than renovating your house.). Typically it's a vacation home (driven or parked), or something to live in for a few years while single/in grad school/moving frequently, with the intent they be sold at the end, or set put as a vacation cottage on their parents' land, or turned into an AB&B unit in their yard. The people who swear it's a permanent lifestyle choice are usually homeschoolers (Christian or otherwise) and they usually make it six months before giving in and selling. You also see older couples take it up permanently as an RV-alternative, and some middle-aged divorcees buy them for the long haul -- here's a space that's all mine, that can move with me, where I can clean the whole thing in 20 minutes ....
I'll look for some links in the a.m. to disaster blogs. I have a whole mental taxonomy of the movement in my head. :)
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 10:16 PM on April 19, 2016 [8 favorites]
I'll look for some links in the a.m. to disaster blogs. I have a whole mental taxonomy of the movement in my head. :)
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 10:16 PM on April 19, 2016 [8 favorites]
RVs mean emptying the black water tank. And they have to be flimsy because space and weight are at a huge premium.
posted by Monday, stony Monday at 10:18 PM on April 19, 2016
posted by Monday, stony Monday at 10:18 PM on April 19, 2016
And the more I think about it, the more I want a show dedicated to spiffed-up doublewide trailers (with the polyester curtains and the redwood deck...) and to trailer park living.
posted by TwoStride at 10:24 PM on April 19, 2016 [2 favorites]
posted by TwoStride at 10:24 PM on April 19, 2016 [2 favorites]
People are still having sex...
in fact...
Everyone else has had more sex than me...
...and that not because of a small... house.
(what was it somebody in an election thread said about "Glass Spouses"?)
posted by oneswellfoop at 10:41 PM on April 19, 2016 [2 favorites]
in fact...
Everyone else has had more sex than me...
...and that not because of a small... house.
(what was it somebody in an election thread said about "Glass Spouses"?)
posted by oneswellfoop at 10:41 PM on April 19, 2016 [2 favorites]
All I could think of is how fun it'd be to try and have sex in those tiny houses. I'd think it'd be an adventure. A very sexy adventure.
posted by stubbehtail at 11:17 PM on April 19, 2016 [1 favorite]
posted by stubbehtail at 11:17 PM on April 19, 2016 [1 favorite]
First of all, RV's have an engine in them. They are transportation vehicles. Mobile homes are mass-produced houses that are designed to be set permanently on a piece of land and CAN be moved if necessary but it's really actually very expensive and difficult. (Which is why they are called "manufactured homes" legally these days.) Travel trailers are hooked up to the back of a car, and actually are the closest thing to most Tiny Houses.
I live in a single-wide three-bedroom mobile home. It sits on an acre of wooded land and it's all paid off, but when I was paying on my mortgage it was less than I was paying for a 1 bedroom apartment in an urban area. Are there things that are less than ideal about my home? Yes, definitely. Did it cost me a hell of a lot less than other options for the same functionality, yes.
I hate the Tiny House thing because of the implicit class snobbery. If you'd like to live in a small, mobile space, you can do it really cheaply by getting a travel trailer for less than $10,000. But that would be living in a "trailer" which isn't nearly as hip. My husband lived several years of his life with 4 people in an 9 foot travel trailer and it was miserable, but he was just white trash.
ANYWAY, if you'd like to see some lovely mobile home remodels, I recommend the site Mobile Home Living.
posted by threeturtles at 12:29 AM on April 20, 2016 [21 favorites]
I live in a single-wide three-bedroom mobile home. It sits on an acre of wooded land and it's all paid off, but when I was paying on my mortgage it was less than I was paying for a 1 bedroom apartment in an urban area. Are there things that are less than ideal about my home? Yes, definitely. Did it cost me a hell of a lot less than other options for the same functionality, yes.
I hate the Tiny House thing because of the implicit class snobbery. If you'd like to live in a small, mobile space, you can do it really cheaply by getting a travel trailer for less than $10,000. But that would be living in a "trailer" which isn't nearly as hip. My husband lived several years of his life with 4 people in an 9 foot travel trailer and it was miserable, but he was just white trash.
ANYWAY, if you'd like to see some lovely mobile home remodels, I recommend the site Mobile Home Living.
posted by threeturtles at 12:29 AM on April 20, 2016 [21 favorites]
Tiny Houses aren't really a thing here in the Low Lands. We're probably just not that hip. But I suspect y'all may find our normal houses pretty tiny, as well as our cars. Which explains why we don't have a lot of sex in our cars.
Furthermore: I, too, have had sex. Not in a car, though. But I've had sex in a tent that was too small to have sex in.
posted by Too-Ticky at 12:33 AM on April 20, 2016
Furthermore: I, too, have had sex. Not in a car, though. But I've had sex in a tent that was too small to have sex in.
posted by Too-Ticky at 12:33 AM on April 20, 2016
If someone sets a build price under $20k they either already have building skills AND access to cast-off materials, or they have no idea what they're talking about and it's about to be a glorious catastrophe.
The equivalent here is Grand Designs, a TV series which "follows some of Britain's most ambitious self-building projects", which occasionally has really interesting plans made by thoughtful people (like this man), but about 90% of the time is people with crazy ideas, no relevant background, weirdly unspecified sources of money and/or careers (they're always professional sculptors or life-coaches or something), and their hearts set on turning a 16th-century goatshed into a 4-bedroom concrete modernist minimalist open-plan warehouse cottage beach-hut, made with reprocessed timber carefully polished by hand-held guinea-pigs in Sweden.
Anyway the relevant point of this is, other than that obviously the main appeal of it is obviously to shout "noooooooo what are you doing?" at the TV, that there is always a point where the couple have hit some disaster point in the plan: they've gone massively over budget, they're six months over deadline, they can't proceed further with the roof because they've fallen out with the builders, they can't knock down the goat-milking station because they've failed to get listed building consent, they have enraged all their neighbours, they have found out the hard way that they don't know what on earth they're doing when it comes to major building projects, and they have sold their old place so now they are living on an unheated building site in a tiny caravan two feet deep in mud with four toddlers and a dog, and it's winter. And the voiceover says "And they're hoping to get all this resolved by Tuesday, because Georgiana is now pregnant."
Just, how? Never mind the bed space you have access to - how are you even still speaking to each other at this point?
posted by Catseye at 1:02 AM on April 20, 2016 [25 favorites]
The equivalent here is Grand Designs, a TV series which "follows some of Britain's most ambitious self-building projects", which occasionally has really interesting plans made by thoughtful people (like this man), but about 90% of the time is people with crazy ideas, no relevant background, weirdly unspecified sources of money and/or careers (they're always professional sculptors or life-coaches or something), and their hearts set on turning a 16th-century goatshed into a 4-bedroom concrete modernist minimalist open-plan warehouse cottage beach-hut, made with reprocessed timber carefully polished by hand-held guinea-pigs in Sweden.
Anyway the relevant point of this is, other than that obviously the main appeal of it is obviously to shout "noooooooo what are you doing?" at the TV, that there is always a point where the couple have hit some disaster point in the plan: they've gone massively over budget, they're six months over deadline, they can't proceed further with the roof because they've fallen out with the builders, they can't knock down the goat-milking station because they've failed to get listed building consent, they have enraged all their neighbours, they have found out the hard way that they don't know what on earth they're doing when it comes to major building projects, and they have sold their old place so now they are living on an unheated building site in a tiny caravan two feet deep in mud with four toddlers and a dog, and it's winter. And the voiceover says "And they're hoping to get all this resolved by Tuesday, because Georgiana is now pregnant."
Just, how? Never mind the bed space you have access to - how are you even still speaking to each other at this point?
posted by Catseye at 1:02 AM on April 20, 2016 [25 favorites]
Hoopo: "Japan has got this. "Love hotels" charge by the hour. The one in the town I was in had Santa Claus on it and was called Happy Christmas."
That's weird marketing. Santa only comes once a year.
posted by chavenet at 1:36 AM on April 20, 2016 [10 favorites]
That's weird marketing. Santa only comes once a year.
posted by chavenet at 1:36 AM on April 20, 2016 [10 favorites]
As long as there's room to make a grilled cheese sandwich everything should be fine.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 2:19 AM on April 20, 2016 [1 favorite]
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 2:19 AM on April 20, 2016 [1 favorite]
boy i hope the next 20 comments are more people talking about how they, too, have had sex
not to brag but I have had at least eight sex
posted by Mr. Bad Example at 2:56 AM on April 20, 2016 [28 favorites]
not to brag but I have had at least eight sex
posted by Mr. Bad Example at 2:56 AM on April 20, 2016 [28 favorites]
Well, I've had at least two sexes.
posted by Ursula Hitler at 3:25 AM on April 20, 2016 [43 favorites]
posted by Ursula Hitler at 3:25 AM on April 20, 2016 [43 favorites]
more people talking about how they, too, have had sex
Like enthusiastic and fascinated virgins do.
posted by Segundus at 3:28 AM on April 20, 2016
Like enthusiastic and fascinated virgins do.
posted by Segundus at 3:28 AM on April 20, 2016
made with reprocessed timber carefully polished by hand-held guinea-pigs in Sweden.
Difficult to work the squeåk out no matter how hard you polish.
posted by Molesome at 4:19 AM on April 20, 2016 [6 favorites]
Difficult to work the squeåk out no matter how hard you polish.
posted by Molesome at 4:19 AM on April 20, 2016 [6 favorites]
I'll look for some links in the a.m. to disaster blogs. I have a whole mental taxonomy of the movement in my head. :)
I'm just saying, but that would make for a really interesting FPP.
posted by Dip Flash at 4:43 AM on April 20, 2016 [5 favorites]
I'm just saying, but that would make for a really interesting FPP.
posted by Dip Flash at 4:43 AM on April 20, 2016 [5 favorites]
Ok, I'm back. Still beds are nice. But there is plenty you could do in any of those beds.
You're missing my point. I'll try explaining again.
I had an apartment with a loft bed all through my mid-20s to my mid-30s, and...it was fine. I had sex in that loft bed, and so did my roommate, despite the fact that there was only about three feet of clearance between the mattress and the ceiling. But after ten years of having all my sex punctuated by either me or my partner bumping our heads, and not being able to take some positions spontaneously because we don't have room, that's when I thought "fuck this" and moved to an apartment where there is room for a decent bed and there is a 10-foot ceiling.
Loft bed sex is fun for a while. Outdoor sex is fun for a while. Anything is fun now and then. But you just may not get as many people signing on to that way being your permanent lifestyle, is all.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 4:48 AM on April 20, 2016 [2 favorites]
You're missing my point. I'll try explaining again.
I had an apartment with a loft bed all through my mid-20s to my mid-30s, and...it was fine. I had sex in that loft bed, and so did my roommate, despite the fact that there was only about three feet of clearance between the mattress and the ceiling. But after ten years of having all my sex punctuated by either me or my partner bumping our heads, and not being able to take some positions spontaneously because we don't have room, that's when I thought "fuck this" and moved to an apartment where there is room for a decent bed and there is a 10-foot ceiling.
Loft bed sex is fun for a while. Outdoor sex is fun for a while. Anything is fun now and then. But you just may not get as many people signing on to that way being your permanent lifestyle, is all.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 4:48 AM on April 20, 2016 [2 favorites]
Like I've asked anyone who is in earshot, who can't get away from me: Why are tiny houses and micro apartments considered new? It's an efficiency. They've been around forever. They should be called "Travis Bickle apartments with a nicer layout."
posted by quarterinmyshoe at 4:53 AM on April 20, 2016 [2 favorites]
posted by quarterinmyshoe at 4:53 AM on April 20, 2016 [2 favorites]
We've gotten hooked on Tiny House Nation, and it's a fun show with a good heart.
A good heart that makes a lot of questionable assumptions about how easy it is to get a unicorn pocket house that you can then trail along with you wherever you go just because the denizens would rather "spend our money on adventures" than a mortgage or rent in a country where actual-sized houses (or, hell, apartments, or even freaking non-boxes in someone's living room) are becoming more rainbow-brite unicorn-y than the tiny houses the show advertises.
posted by blucevalo at 4:58 AM on April 20, 2016 [1 favorite]
A good heart that makes a lot of questionable assumptions about how easy it is to get a unicorn pocket house that you can then trail along with you wherever you go just because the denizens would rather "spend our money on adventures" than a mortgage or rent in a country where actual-sized houses (or, hell, apartments, or even freaking non-boxes in someone's living room) are becoming more rainbow-brite unicorn-y than the tiny houses the show advertises.
posted by blucevalo at 4:58 AM on April 20, 2016 [1 favorite]
Even more fundamental: making the bed. Changing the sheets with a low overhead is a frickin' pain in the ass.
posted by TWinbrook8 at 5:01 AM on April 20, 2016 [3 favorites]
posted by TWinbrook8 at 5:01 AM on April 20, 2016 [3 favorites]
And that's before you consider what a mood-killer the 89th fight with your partner over their failure to properly Jenga your dining table-sofa-dog crate-closet-all-in-one so that you can access the ladder/climbing wall to your tiny bed loft.
posted by TwoStride at 5:13 AM on April 20, 2016 [3 favorites]
posted by TwoStride at 5:13 AM on April 20, 2016 [3 favorites]
And that's before you consider what a mood-killer the 89th fight with your partner over their failure to properly Jenga your dining table-sofa-dog crate-closet-all-in-one so that you can access the ladder/climbing wall to your tiny bed loft.
Ooooh, angry sex, then make up sex! Watch your head.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 5:18 AM on April 20, 2016 [4 favorites]
Ooooh, angry sex, then make up sex! Watch your head.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 5:18 AM on April 20, 2016 [4 favorites]
In college some of us would take our loftable beds, raise a few feet off the floor, and put the mattress on the floor. Then you could hang blankets or whatnot off the lofted part for some shenanigan-allowing privacy, as well as recover the bed space for storage or workspace or whatnot. 3 feet of room overhead is plenty when you're twenty.
Changing the sheets was kind of obnoxious though.
posted by nat at 5:19 AM on April 20, 2016
Changing the sheets was kind of obnoxious though.
posted by nat at 5:19 AM on April 20, 2016
Argh, listening to the sexy sighs of people who think they are having quiet sex is one of the grossest things.
posted by ChuraChura at 5:25 AM on April 20, 2016 [5 favorites]
posted by ChuraChura at 5:25 AM on April 20, 2016 [5 favorites]
Argh, listening to the sexy sighs of people who think they are having quiet sex is one of the grossest things.
I have enjoyed almost everything about staying in youth hostels, but not this. Having loud people through a wall is way better than quiet people in the same room.
posted by Dip Flash at 5:34 AM on April 20, 2016 [4 favorites]
I have enjoyed almost everything about staying in youth hostels, but not this. Having loud people through a wall is way better than quiet people in the same room.
posted by Dip Flash at 5:34 AM on April 20, 2016 [4 favorites]
how are you even still speaking to each other at this point?
It's the only reason they are still speaking to each other. The number of couples who decide to build a house when they really should have put the effort into counseling is not small. Architect as marriage counselor is definitely a thing.
posted by deadwax at 5:38 AM on April 20, 2016 [3 favorites]
It's the only reason they are still speaking to each other. The number of couples who decide to build a house when they really should have put the effort into counseling is not small. Architect as marriage counselor is definitely a thing.
posted by deadwax at 5:38 AM on April 20, 2016 [3 favorites]
So I lol'd a lot at this because I will admit that when looking at all my options on getting some sort of separate and private living space on my parents property I ruled out some sort of Tiny Home because most of what I found had less then ideal sexytime space in the bed department.
For many reasons it makes sense for me to stick around the old family farmhouse. It's crappy and run down but been there for 5 generations. Parents are getting older, would like to stay rural as long as possible but need more help and of course financial. It just makes sense that if I'm going to put money into property it might as well be this one because practically speaking it will be mine to deal with someday.
I get along with them fine and living in a house on a nice piece of property is awesome but yeah, no privacy whatsoever as well as the option of having someone over just isn't there. My parents are cool and all and I'm sure would be 'adult' about but I just can't do it. lol.
So a great option is basically bringing in a mobile apartment. Still get access to things like laundry and storage space etc etc. The pluses of a house and the pluses of a separate living area.
A Tiny House would be awesome for this type of situation. I've looked at a lot and there are several nearby companies that will custom make them.
All of them are some sort of loft type beds. And yes I know where there is a will there is a way but one of the main reasons to get one is so that sexytimes could happen!
I've settled on getting a 5th wheel. One with a nice pop-out living room and a nice big queen size bed with lots of overhead room.
posted by Jalliah at 5:41 AM on April 20, 2016 [4 favorites]
For many reasons it makes sense for me to stick around the old family farmhouse. It's crappy and run down but been there for 5 generations. Parents are getting older, would like to stay rural as long as possible but need more help and of course financial. It just makes sense that if I'm going to put money into property it might as well be this one because practically speaking it will be mine to deal with someday.
I get along with them fine and living in a house on a nice piece of property is awesome but yeah, no privacy whatsoever as well as the option of having someone over just isn't there. My parents are cool and all and I'm sure would be 'adult' about but I just can't do it. lol.
So a great option is basically bringing in a mobile apartment. Still get access to things like laundry and storage space etc etc. The pluses of a house and the pluses of a separate living area.
A Tiny House would be awesome for this type of situation. I've looked at a lot and there are several nearby companies that will custom make them.
All of them are some sort of loft type beds. And yes I know where there is a will there is a way but one of the main reasons to get one is so that sexytimes could happen!
I've settled on getting a 5th wheel. One with a nice pop-out living room and a nice big queen size bed with lots of overhead room.
posted by Jalliah at 5:41 AM on April 20, 2016 [4 favorites]
Our house is a very very very small house
With two cats in the bed
No room for sex or head
Also one of the cats just barfed and we don't have a second set of sheets because we have no closets oh my fucking god
La la la la la la la la la la
posted by Metroid Baby at 5:41 AM on April 20, 2016 [47 favorites]
With two cats in the bed
No room for sex or head
Also one of the cats just barfed and we don't have a second set of sheets because we have no closets oh my fucking god
La la la la la la la la la la
posted by Metroid Baby at 5:41 AM on April 20, 2016 [47 favorites]
Disaster blog:
Here's my recent favorite. You can see these people made not-great financial decisions when they owned a (big, McMansiony) regular house, so it's not surprising they carry over to the tiny house. They moved into it with a toddler before it was done, are still working on it piecemeal, and the wife has VERY EXPENSIVE taste but not a very good decorator's eye so they keep having to do things at least twice because she turns out to hate the way her first $250 wallpaper looks, and they constantly are having mold problems because she doesn't know how to build. They also "had to" buy a $70,000 truck brand new to tow it. There's a lot of complaining on the blog about late fees and mean creditors, and you can see in her accounting breakdown she scrupulously includes late fees, etc. There's an appealing fecklessness to this one.
Taxonomically, I've seen very few who intend to live in their tiny house as a permanent lifestyle (and most of those are people with environmentalism-related jobs). The big groups are:
1) college and grad students who build one either to a) live in grad school or b) take a year to drive around the country having adventures; then they sell it (around $30,000 they hold resale really well and are easy to sell).
2) single women (from college age on up to retirees) who want to build their own place with their own hands to know that they CAN. (With older women it's often after a divorce or a spousal death and is clearly emotionally therapeutic.) They are overplanners and seek expert help, they never end up with bad wiring or toilets that don't work. Many of them intend to live in their tiny houses "indefinitely" or "until it becomes a hassle." They're pretty clear it's probably not a permanent lifestyle. But there's a real strong movement of female builders and female mentoring that's developed around the tiny house community and I think someone should study it because it's interesting and very feminist.
3) Builders and hobbyist builders building to sell
4) Professional environmentalists of various stripes; I'd include in this outdoor tourism/adventure workers (ski coaches, trekking leaders) who actually do move around the country seasonally to follow their work. Also architects who want the challenge of designing and building one from scratch. (Usually they're LEED certified so they're greenie anyway.)
5) Granola homeschoolers (of Christian and non-Christian types both) who idealize it as a way for the family to all live really close and really simply, and often intend to do it forever. They generally do a pretty good job building but bail on living in it after about six months. I have set to see a homeschooling family who stuck it out more than a year. (I find reading their updates where they rationalize why it didn't work out hilarious.)
6) Married retirees who like the RVing lifestyle, and the husband was in the building trades, so they decide it'd be more fun to build their own.
7) The clueless who find tiny houses adorable and have NO CLUE what they're taking on. Usually women. Often leaning "granola homeschool" but may not have kids yet. Their timelines are always very unrealistic and they never have a backup plan for where they'll live while building it. (In contrast, #2s live somewhere regular while they build.)
MOST of the people in these groups understand it won't be a long-term lifestyle (some of the retirees intend to stay in them until they need old age help; the homeschoolers are typically out of touch with reality on this kind of thing, as are the clueless). Most build one because they really want to try building their own house and there's a great community supporting that and it's a small enough project that a dedicated amateur actually can manage it. People who buy them ready made would usually otherwise buy an RV and just like this style better, or they buy them half-made and do the finish work themselves as a compromise between time and efficiency. Most are in a situation where living in a very small house for a couple years is possible and desirable and may have semi-itinerant living conditions (grad school, residency, outdoor work, field work) where bringing your house along rather than renting different apartments is fun and convenient. When they are done with them, they either resell them (they hold value better than traditional RVs), or park them on a family rural property to use as a "vacation cabin" on that property (again, as people do with RVs), or turn them into Air B&Bs. Then they TEND to move into fairly small but traditional housing, whether it's an older cottage or cabin, or a small city apartment, or whatever. But some move back into big traditional housing. And some jump to farmsteading.
"But after ten years of having all my sex punctuated by either me or my partner bumping our heads, and not being able to take some positions spontaneously because we don't have room, that's when I thought "fuck this" and moved to an apartment where there is room for a decent bed and there is a 10-foot ceiling."
I mean, that's cool, I don't feel like anyone's coming to force you to live in a tiny house.
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 5:41 AM on April 20, 2016 [20 favorites]
Here's my recent favorite. You can see these people made not-great financial decisions when they owned a (big, McMansiony) regular house, so it's not surprising they carry over to the tiny house. They moved into it with a toddler before it was done, are still working on it piecemeal, and the wife has VERY EXPENSIVE taste but not a very good decorator's eye so they keep having to do things at least twice because she turns out to hate the way her first $250 wallpaper looks, and they constantly are having mold problems because she doesn't know how to build. They also "had to" buy a $70,000 truck brand new to tow it. There's a lot of complaining on the blog about late fees and mean creditors, and you can see in her accounting breakdown she scrupulously includes late fees, etc. There's an appealing fecklessness to this one.
Taxonomically, I've seen very few who intend to live in their tiny house as a permanent lifestyle (and most of those are people with environmentalism-related jobs). The big groups are:
1) college and grad students who build one either to a) live in grad school or b) take a year to drive around the country having adventures; then they sell it (around $30,000 they hold resale really well and are easy to sell).
2) single women (from college age on up to retirees) who want to build their own place with their own hands to know that they CAN. (With older women it's often after a divorce or a spousal death and is clearly emotionally therapeutic.) They are overplanners and seek expert help, they never end up with bad wiring or toilets that don't work. Many of them intend to live in their tiny houses "indefinitely" or "until it becomes a hassle." They're pretty clear it's probably not a permanent lifestyle. But there's a real strong movement of female builders and female mentoring that's developed around the tiny house community and I think someone should study it because it's interesting and very feminist.
3) Builders and hobbyist builders building to sell
4) Professional environmentalists of various stripes; I'd include in this outdoor tourism/adventure workers (ski coaches, trekking leaders) who actually do move around the country seasonally to follow their work. Also architects who want the challenge of designing and building one from scratch. (Usually they're LEED certified so they're greenie anyway.)
5) Granola homeschoolers (of Christian and non-Christian types both) who idealize it as a way for the family to all live really close and really simply, and often intend to do it forever. They generally do a pretty good job building but bail on living in it after about six months. I have set to see a homeschooling family who stuck it out more than a year. (I find reading their updates where they rationalize why it didn't work out hilarious.)
6) Married retirees who like the RVing lifestyle, and the husband was in the building trades, so they decide it'd be more fun to build their own.
7) The clueless who find tiny houses adorable and have NO CLUE what they're taking on. Usually women. Often leaning "granola homeschool" but may not have kids yet. Their timelines are always very unrealistic and they never have a backup plan for where they'll live while building it. (In contrast, #2s live somewhere regular while they build.)
MOST of the people in these groups understand it won't be a long-term lifestyle (some of the retirees intend to stay in them until they need old age help; the homeschoolers are typically out of touch with reality on this kind of thing, as are the clueless). Most build one because they really want to try building their own house and there's a great community supporting that and it's a small enough project that a dedicated amateur actually can manage it. People who buy them ready made would usually otherwise buy an RV and just like this style better, or they buy them half-made and do the finish work themselves as a compromise between time and efficiency. Most are in a situation where living in a very small house for a couple years is possible and desirable and may have semi-itinerant living conditions (grad school, residency, outdoor work, field work) where bringing your house along rather than renting different apartments is fun and convenient. When they are done with them, they either resell them (they hold value better than traditional RVs), or park them on a family rural property to use as a "vacation cabin" on that property (again, as people do with RVs), or turn them into Air B&Bs. Then they TEND to move into fairly small but traditional housing, whether it's an older cottage or cabin, or a small city apartment, or whatever. But some move back into big traditional housing. And some jump to farmsteading.
"But after ten years of having all my sex punctuated by either me or my partner bumping our heads, and not being able to take some positions spontaneously because we don't have room, that's when I thought "fuck this" and moved to an apartment where there is room for a decent bed and there is a 10-foot ceiling."
I mean, that's cool, I don't feel like anyone's coming to force you to live in a tiny house.
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 5:41 AM on April 20, 2016 [20 favorites]
"All of them are some sort of loft type beds."
Here's a Tumbleweed with a first-floor bedroom.
Here's an ADA accessible first-floor bedroom.
Cool first-floor bedroom with sitting loft overhead.
First-floor bed hides under step-up office.
First-floor bedroom with loft that can be a second bedroom.
That's just quickly off the top of my head, I'm sure I have more deep in my bookmarks. (I am moderately obsessed.)
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 5:53 AM on April 20, 2016 [7 favorites]
That's just quickly off the top of my head, I'm sure I have more deep in my bookmarks. (I am moderately obsessed.)
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 5:53 AM on April 20, 2016 [7 favorites]
I could never be clean enough to live in a tiny house; that is all I will say about that.
posted by likeatoaster at 6:09 AM on April 20, 2016 [5 favorites]
posted by likeatoaster at 6:09 AM on April 20, 2016 [5 favorites]
I mean, that's cool, I don't feel like anyone's coming to force you to live in a tiny house.
I...never said that I thought they were? I was only responding to the people who were scoffing at the premise of the OP because "pshaw, if you really want to have sex you'll do it anywhere", and I was responding to that with "yeah, but all the time?"
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 7:21 AM on April 20, 2016 [1 favorite]
I...never said that I thought they were? I was only responding to the people who were scoffing at the premise of the OP because "pshaw, if you really want to have sex you'll do it anywhere", and I was responding to that with "yeah, but all the time?"
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 7:21 AM on April 20, 2016 [1 favorite]
Most "well actually" thread of all time.
posted by Artw at 7:25 AM on April 20, 2016 [4 favorites]
posted by Artw at 7:25 AM on April 20, 2016 [4 favorites]
The trouble with tiny houses has always seemed to me to be noise (and pets - I could not in good conscience keep a cat in such a tiny space, and I think any self-respecting cat would be angling to make a break for it). I could have my own tiny house, sure, but it would drive me absolutely out of my tree to be able to hear every single move/cough/adjustment to headphones/burst-of-autoplay from a partner and/or a child. Even if everyone were very quiet. And you don't really have any privacy, because almost all the house is visible from any point.
I actually enjoyed dorm living, mostly, but that was because for fully 1/2 of my college experience, I was living with semi-strangers and we could totally ignore each other in a way that you can't with a partner or friend. Also, we had different schedules so we each had some privacy in the dorm, also we didn't eat there, also we had access to the study lounge, etc.
It also seems like a lot of tiny houses are really second homes, and I don't think that's actually moving toward solving a housing problem. Great, you have a regular house somewhere and a tiny home that you use as a guest house/air bnb/vacation place/short-term-housing while you pursue adventure, etc - but let's start with that understanding.
Small new-builds, now, small new-builds would be great, especially if they could be affordable and simple rather than super-delux-double-organic-internet-of-things-style.
posted by Frowner at 7:34 AM on April 20, 2016 [3 favorites]
I actually enjoyed dorm living, mostly, but that was because for fully 1/2 of my college experience, I was living with semi-strangers and we could totally ignore each other in a way that you can't with a partner or friend. Also, we had different schedules so we each had some privacy in the dorm, also we didn't eat there, also we had access to the study lounge, etc.
It also seems like a lot of tiny houses are really second homes, and I don't think that's actually moving toward solving a housing problem. Great, you have a regular house somewhere and a tiny home that you use as a guest house/air bnb/vacation place/short-term-housing while you pursue adventure, etc - but let's start with that understanding.
Small new-builds, now, small new-builds would be great, especially if they could be affordable and simple rather than super-delux-double-organic-internet-of-things-style.
posted by Frowner at 7:34 AM on April 20, 2016 [3 favorites]
Can we dial it back a bit on the sneering use of "homeschoolers"?
In a list of seven TH-building groups, the two homeschooling groups are the only ones also described as "clueless," "unrealistic", "never have a backup plan," are "out of touch with reality," "have NO CLUE what they're taking on," and when they "rationalize why it didn't work out" it's "hilarious." Contrasting those descriptions against the other five groups in that list makes my stomach clench and I'm not even a homeschooler.
I don't understand what bearing homeschooling has on whether or not you make good choices about how you acquire a living space for your family. At least half the people I know have made terrible choices while building, adding on to, or upgrading their home -- up to and including to the point of choosing or being forced to move. Not one of them are homeschoolers.
posted by _Mona_ at 7:36 AM on April 20, 2016 [2 favorites]
In a list of seven TH-building groups, the two homeschooling groups are the only ones also described as "clueless," "unrealistic", "never have a backup plan," are "out of touch with reality," "have NO CLUE what they're taking on," and when they "rationalize why it didn't work out" it's "hilarious." Contrasting those descriptions against the other five groups in that list makes my stomach clench and I'm not even a homeschooler.
I don't understand what bearing homeschooling has on whether or not you make good choices about how you acquire a living space for your family. At least half the people I know have made terrible choices while building, adding on to, or upgrading their home -- up to and including to the point of choosing or being forced to move. Not one of them are homeschoolers.
posted by _Mona_ at 7:36 AM on April 20, 2016 [2 favorites]
I have had sex in a front seat of a chevette so I'm calling bullshit on people not having sex in tiny houses.
posted by fluffy battle kitten at 8:03 PM on April 19 [2 favorites +] [!]
Does an outhouse count as a tiny house?
posted by Pablo MacWilliams at 7:42 AM on April 20, 2016
posted by fluffy battle kitten at 8:03 PM on April 19 [2 favorites +] [!]
Does an outhouse count as a tiny house?
posted by Pablo MacWilliams at 7:42 AM on April 20, 2016
Perhaps it's a (deliberate or serendipitous) strategy to prepare society for an age when a mass workforce is no longer needed: ensure that only property owners have the means to reproduce, and, within a generation or two, the population dies off to a level at which a universal basic income won't drain the profits of our weakly-godlike algorithmic-trading AI overlords.
In the not-too-distant future, the poors will get their doses of intimacy via VR goggles and tactile-feedback onesies in their one-person sleeping pods. At first it will be in online relationships with other poors (all watched over by the surveillance authorities, of course, just in case some of them end up radicalising and plotting insurrection), but only until Facebook and Google's machine-learning algorithms get good enough to create perfectly complementary virtual intimate partners for anybody based on their psychometric behaviour trail.
posted by acb at 7:46 AM on April 20, 2016 [4 favorites]
In the not-too-distant future, the poors will get their doses of intimacy via VR goggles and tactile-feedback onesies in their one-person sleeping pods. At first it will be in online relationships with other poors (all watched over by the surveillance authorities, of course, just in case some of them end up radicalising and plotting insurrection), but only until Facebook and Google's machine-learning algorithms get good enough to create perfectly complementary virtual intimate partners for anybody based on their psychometric behaviour trail.
posted by acb at 7:46 AM on April 20, 2016 [4 favorites]
Perhaps it's a (deliberate or serendipitous) strategy to prepare society for an age when a mass workforce is no longer needed: ensure that only property owners have the means to reproduce, and, within a generation or two, the population dies off to a level at which a universal basic income won't drain the profits of our weakly-godlike algorithmic-trading AI overlords.
You know, it just occurred to me - fully automated luxury communism is coming, and the way it's going to happen is by killing off most of us, intentionally or by neglect, until there's a small-enough group of rich people that they are capable of feeling enough solidarity with each other to create some kind of super-fancy high-tech sharing economy.
There is hope, but not for us, etc etc.
I mean seriously, lately I just feel like I'm living in a nineties Neal Stephenson novel, only I'm a bit player instead of one of the self-actualizing ubermenschen protagonists.
posted by Frowner at 7:50 AM on April 20, 2016 [6 favorites]
"In a list of seven TH-building groups, the two homeschooling groups are the only ones also described as "clueless," "unrealistic", "never have a backup plan," are "out of touch with reality," "have NO CLUE what they're taking on," and when they "rationalize why it didn't work out" it's "hilarious." Contrasting those descriptions against the other five groups in that list makes my stomach clench and I'm not even a homeschooler. "
I actually said the granola homeschoolers do a GOOD job building -- the houses are often really clever and well-thought-out! -- but that it generally turns out having a family of six live in 192 square feet doesn't work out in the long term. The clueless are the underresearched group, some of whom lean towards the same aesthetic and cultural ideals that spur the granola homeschoolers to build tiny homes, but they typically don't have children yet.
Since we're talking about tiny homes, the sort of people who live in them with a family (rather than solo or as a couple) are very limited and highly self-selecting. They're often homeschoolers who want to travel while homeschooling to show the kids the country. The homeschooling is really only relevant to the fact that being able to move your family around year-round is not a traditional school setting; I imagine we see few traditional families building tiny houses because a) living in such a confined space with children is very difficult and b) the school year anchors you to one location nine months out of the year. The other groups are typically singles, fresh graduates, retirees, people who travel for work a lot, etc. Among families, the only group that travels so much is really homeschoolers. (Or, traveling families who homeschool for convenience, if you prefer.)
I DO find the updates hilarious because, as a parent of small children, who lives in a smaller (though not tiny) house, watching someone talk about how they really love their children and still feel constant togetherness is the way to go but 192 square feet is TOO MUCH togetherness is amusing to me. Because it's real and recognizable, but also kinda over the top because most of us don't actually follow through on that impulse of "what if we all lived in an RV and had adventures as a family?" It's not so much point and laugh as, "Heh, I know these feels, I have had these feels, I laugh because these feels are very familiar; you just ramped it up to 11 which makes it way funnier ... for me who can live it vicariously and does not have to actually live in 192 square feet with my children."
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 7:54 AM on April 20, 2016 [1 favorite]
I actually said the granola homeschoolers do a GOOD job building -- the houses are often really clever and well-thought-out! -- but that it generally turns out having a family of six live in 192 square feet doesn't work out in the long term. The clueless are the underresearched group, some of whom lean towards the same aesthetic and cultural ideals that spur the granola homeschoolers to build tiny homes, but they typically don't have children yet.
Since we're talking about tiny homes, the sort of people who live in them with a family (rather than solo or as a couple) are very limited and highly self-selecting. They're often homeschoolers who want to travel while homeschooling to show the kids the country. The homeschooling is really only relevant to the fact that being able to move your family around year-round is not a traditional school setting; I imagine we see few traditional families building tiny houses because a) living in such a confined space with children is very difficult and b) the school year anchors you to one location nine months out of the year. The other groups are typically singles, fresh graduates, retirees, people who travel for work a lot, etc. Among families, the only group that travels so much is really homeschoolers. (Or, traveling families who homeschool for convenience, if you prefer.)
I DO find the updates hilarious because, as a parent of small children, who lives in a smaller (though not tiny) house, watching someone talk about how they really love their children and still feel constant togetherness is the way to go but 192 square feet is TOO MUCH togetherness is amusing to me. Because it's real and recognizable, but also kinda over the top because most of us don't actually follow through on that impulse of "what if we all lived in an RV and had adventures as a family?" It's not so much point and laugh as, "Heh, I know these feels, I have had these feels, I laugh because these feels are very familiar; you just ramped it up to 11 which makes it way funnier ... for me who can live it vicariously and does not have to actually live in 192 square feet with my children."
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 7:54 AM on April 20, 2016 [1 favorite]
it generally turns out having a family of six live in 192 square feet doesn't work out
One word: stilts
posted by beerperson at 8:19 AM on April 20, 2016
One word: stilts
posted by beerperson at 8:19 AM on April 20, 2016
Because it's real and recognizable, but also kinda over the top because most of us don't actually follow through on that impulse of "what if we all lived in an RV and had adventures as a family?"
I know—both personally and online—a few families that live on the road. They tend to be very high-energy people who don't spend a lot of time inside, so their updates are about rock-climbing here, skiing there, hiking in this other place. They set up in a campground and spread out to picnic tables and lawn chairs and their screen house. They don't actually spend a lot of time in the RVs, so far as I can tell.
I live in a family of mostly people who really like routine and dislike disruptions to their routines. We would not enjoy traveling around all the time. We also tend toward introversion. For instance: my 14-year-old has suddenly outgrown his only pair of shoes. We were discussing a possible expenditure, and I said, "Well, we do have the money this week...but the Lego Savant needs shoes." He replied, "It's OK. I can just stay inside until next payday." He could, too.
Most of us also have pretty high needs for "alone time." I sometimes have the life-on-the-road fantasy, but it would not suit us, and I enjoy reading about other people who are doing it and enjoying it.
I dream of a Tiny House because I've always liked little houses, since I was a kid. Also, many years ago I spent a month at a writing retreat where I had a "writing shed." It was a little building in the woods. A very little building. It had a built in wall-to-wall desk surface with a big window above it, a door opposite that, and room enough for a desk chair and a little glider-rocker. It had electricity, but no plumbing, or even modest appliances like an electric kettle or small fridge. I dream, dream, dream of having such a thing again, even though I've now reached an age and level of disability where having to hike back to the house to pee would be challenging. I love to look at tiny house plans and imagine having one of them as my studio.
posted by not that girl at 8:22 AM on April 20, 2016 [3 favorites]
I know—both personally and online—a few families that live on the road. They tend to be very high-energy people who don't spend a lot of time inside, so their updates are about rock-climbing here, skiing there, hiking in this other place. They set up in a campground and spread out to picnic tables and lawn chairs and their screen house. They don't actually spend a lot of time in the RVs, so far as I can tell.
I live in a family of mostly people who really like routine and dislike disruptions to their routines. We would not enjoy traveling around all the time. We also tend toward introversion. For instance: my 14-year-old has suddenly outgrown his only pair of shoes. We were discussing a possible expenditure, and I said, "Well, we do have the money this week...but the Lego Savant needs shoes." He replied, "It's OK. I can just stay inside until next payday." He could, too.
Most of us also have pretty high needs for "alone time." I sometimes have the life-on-the-road fantasy, but it would not suit us, and I enjoy reading about other people who are doing it and enjoying it.
I dream of a Tiny House because I've always liked little houses, since I was a kid. Also, many years ago I spent a month at a writing retreat where I had a "writing shed." It was a little building in the woods. A very little building. It had a built in wall-to-wall desk surface with a big window above it, a door opposite that, and room enough for a desk chair and a little glider-rocker. It had electricity, but no plumbing, or even modest appliances like an electric kettle or small fridge. I dream, dream, dream of having such a thing again, even though I've now reached an age and level of disability where having to hike back to the house to pee would be challenging. I love to look at tiny house plans and imagine having one of them as my studio.
posted by not that girl at 8:22 AM on April 20, 2016 [3 favorites]
(Favorite family tiny home, btw -- a school bus conversion where they did just a gorgeous job. They did it for one year but found that a) it got kinda unsafe once the toddler was mobile and b) with three older kids and a crafty mom, there wasn't space for people to do any activities because everything always had to be packed right back up and c) it was just impossible when they got sick -- four kids with the stomach flu all at once in a one-bathroom tiny house just doesn't work. They also found it was hard to have playdates or to hire babysitters. I was pretty sad when they sold it, although I would have lost my mind WAY before month 12.)
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 8:40 AM on April 20, 2016 [3 favorites]
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 8:40 AM on April 20, 2016 [3 favorites]
Next up: People in Cathedrals Can't Have Sex.
It's spelled "sects," Father.
posted by GenjiandProust at 10:14 AM on April 20, 2016 [5 favorites]
It's spelled "sects," Father.
posted by GenjiandProust at 10:14 AM on April 20, 2016 [5 favorites]
EmpressCallipygos: " But you just may not get as many people signing on to that way being your permanent lifestyle, is all."
Well sure, that's why the average house square footage is over a 1000 sq ft. However there are also people who are just fine with the smaller space.
posted by Mitheral at 11:03 AM on April 20, 2016
Well sure, that's why the average house square footage is over a 1000 sq ft. However there are also people who are just fine with the smaller space.
posted by Mitheral at 11:03 AM on April 20, 2016
In college some of us would take our loftable beds, raise a few feet off the floor, and put the mattress on the floor.
My freshman year dorm room was in an old historic building on campus and had a sizeable walk-in closet. My roommate moved her mattress onto the floor of the closet after a few months and lived in there. I don't THINK I forced her into it with all the sex I was having, but yanno.
posted by threeturtles at 11:19 AM on April 20, 2016 [1 favorite]
My freshman year dorm room was in an old historic building on campus and had a sizeable walk-in closet. My roommate moved her mattress onto the floor of the closet after a few months and lived in there. I don't THINK I forced her into it with all the sex I was having, but yanno.
posted by threeturtles at 11:19 AM on April 20, 2016 [1 favorite]
boy i hope the next 20 comments are more people talking about how they, too, have had sex
Let's do it like they do it on theDiscovery HGTV Channel!
fully automated luxury communism is coming, and the way it's going to happen is by killing off most of us, intentionally or by neglect, until there's a small-enough group of rich people that they are capable of feeling enough solidarity with each other to create some kind of super-fancy high-tech sharing economy.
AKA the premise of William Gibson's last novel.
posted by octobersurprise at 11:22 AM on April 20, 2016 [4 favorites]
Let's do it like they do it on the
fully automated luxury communism is coming, and the way it's going to happen is by killing off most of us, intentionally or by neglect, until there's a small-enough group of rich people that they are capable of feeling enough solidarity with each other to create some kind of super-fancy high-tech sharing economy.
AKA the premise of William Gibson's last novel.
posted by octobersurprise at 11:22 AM on April 20, 2016 [4 favorites]
I had sex in a tiny house in Canada with my Canadian boyfriend who's not from here. You wouldn't know him.
posted by MCMikeNamara at 11:35 AM on April 20, 2016 [6 favorites]
posted by MCMikeNamara at 11:35 AM on April 20, 2016 [6 favorites]
I have had sex in a front seat of a chevette so I'm calling bullshit on people not having sex in tiny houses.
Mazda RX-7. Oh to be young and slender again.
I would go snakey if I lived in a TinyHouse. I have a deep psychological need for physical space around me that is mine.
posted by feckless fecal fear mongering at 12:20 PM on April 20, 2016
Mazda RX-7. Oh to be young and slender again.
I would go snakey if I lived in a TinyHouse. I have a deep psychological need for physical space around me that is mine.
posted by feckless fecal fear mongering at 12:20 PM on April 20, 2016
fully automated luxury communism is coming, and the way it's going to happen is by killing off most of us, intentionally or by neglect, until there's a small-enough group of rich people that they are capable of feeling enough solidarity with each other to create some kind of super-fancy high-tech sharing economy.
AKA the premise of William Gibson's last novel.
posted by octobersurprise at 11:22 AM on April 20 [3 favorites −] Favorite added! [!]
And the series of catastrophic events that got rid of all the poors was called "the Jackpot." The name so beautifully sums up how people would regard the loss of thousands upon thousands of lives that have no direct bearing on their own. (AskMe thread on it here.)
posted by sobell at 12:45 PM on April 20, 2016 [1 favorite]
AKA the premise of William Gibson's last novel.
posted by octobersurprise at 11:22 AM on April 20 [3 favorites −] Favorite added! [!]
And the series of catastrophic events that got rid of all the poors was called "the Jackpot." The name so beautifully sums up how people would regard the loss of thousands upon thousands of lives that have no direct bearing on their own. (AskMe thread on it here.)
posted by sobell at 12:45 PM on April 20, 2016 [1 favorite]
So the orgy proof loft bed is "designed to withstand far more than just the everyday grind of college life". Ahem.
posted by AbnerRavenwood at 12:48 PM on April 20, 2016
posted by AbnerRavenwood at 12:48 PM on April 20, 2016
Also, do cars not exist where they come from?
Or airplanes?
posted by IndigoJones at 12:54 PM on April 20, 2016
Or airplanes?
posted by IndigoJones at 12:54 PM on April 20, 2016
First MetaFilter dashes of my dreams of living in a Geodesic dome because it's a giant ball of farts and noise and now I can't live in a Tiny Home either because I can't have sex in it?
I'm going to live in a yurt, MeFi. Can't hurt a yurt.
posted by the uncomplicated soups of my childhood at 2:25 PM on April 20, 2016 [2 favorites]
I'm going to live in a yurt, MeFi. Can't hurt a yurt.
posted by the uncomplicated soups of my childhood at 2:25 PM on April 20, 2016 [2 favorites]
I'm pretty impressed with the Chevette thing.
Not that you could fit, but how does one attract a partner when one is driving a Chevette?
(or, alternatively, how is one attracted...)
posted by MtDewd at 2:33 PM on April 20, 2016 [1 favorite]
Not that you could fit, but how does one attract a partner when one is driving a Chevette?
(or, alternatively, how is one attracted...)
posted by MtDewd at 2:33 PM on April 20, 2016 [1 favorite]
Hey! In Australia a chevette is basically a Holden Gemini and they are now moderately desirable. I had a two door wagon that had been painted electric blue and given a stupidly loud 2" exhaust, it managed to provide the setting for my partner and my first kiss. We never had sex in it though. Maybe if we had been ten years younger.
posted by deadwax at 2:43 PM on April 20, 2016
posted by deadwax at 2:43 PM on April 20, 2016
Mobile Home Sales!
I have a tiny house in reserve, that I drive every day. I have spent up to five weeks at a time living in my Westfalia. European families were known to spend an entire six week vacation in a Westy with a coupla kids. You know they had fun.
posted by Oyéah at 6:26 PM on April 20, 2016
I have a tiny house in reserve, that I drive every day. I have spent up to five weeks at a time living in my Westfalia. European families were known to spend an entire six week vacation in a Westy with a coupla kids. You know they had fun.
posted by Oyéah at 6:26 PM on April 20, 2016
I wouldn't be having a lot of sex in a tiny house
but not because of any reasons pertaining to the actual house itself!!!!
I'LL BE HERE ALL WEEK
posted by threeants at 12:00 AM on April 21, 2016 [1 favorite]
but not because of any reasons pertaining to the actual house itself!!!!
I'LL BE HERE ALL WEEK
posted by threeants at 12:00 AM on April 21, 2016 [1 favorite]
secret hint, for those who didn't "get it" I mean I don't have a lot of sex no matter where I live!!
posted by threeants at 12:01 AM on April 21, 2016 [4 favorites]
posted by threeants at 12:01 AM on April 21, 2016 [4 favorites]
There is a very strong age/experience based divide in this thread which amused me.
But now I feel old :-(
posted by bystander at 5:41 AM on April 22, 2016
But now I feel old :-(
posted by bystander at 5:41 AM on April 22, 2016
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