here to bury Salon, not praise it
May 27, 2016 7:33 AM   Subscribe

 
So, pot eulogizes kettle?
posted by NoxAeternum at 7:39 AM on May 27, 2016 [37 favorites]


I'm curious about the graphic design decision of "let's add a bunch of color noise to the top image". My first thought was "man, I need to go back to Lightroom and make a damn adjustment".

(politico has been a vile garbage fire from day one)
posted by selfnoise at 7:44 AM on May 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


I used to read Salon every day. I even paid for a subscription when they did that sort of thing. I still read some of the writers I first discovered there who now write elsewhere, so there's that. But man oh man, it has turned into confused and desperate clickbait.
posted by mandymanwasregistered at 7:44 AM on May 27, 2016 [33 favorites]


I still read 'em. There's some good stuff as well as the clickbait, and they do long-form stuff you don't see elsewhere.

And yes, the fact that they moved from being Hillary apologists to being sharply critical of her has definitely warmed me to them. Mother Jones' fawning over her and their ridiculous almond obsession were the two reasons we cancelled our subscription to them.
posted by lupus_yonderboy at 7:49 AM on May 27, 2016


I stopped reading Salon a few years ago when it became completely unreadable via mobile and only slightly more readable on PC. Also when the comments became 90% paid right-wing commenters.
posted by soren_lorensen at 7:51 AM on May 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


Yeah, boy, I remember back in the late nineties I read Salon every weekday. Some of it was pretty silly even then, and some of it was wrong - their "takedown" of Mike Davis would have embarrassed a more politically astute publication - but you at least felt like it was lightweight newsy stuff for people who were interested in thinking things through. And I used to follow Table Talk (didn't really post), which undoubtedly primed me for metafilter.

I felt like they had a sort of resurgence a couple of years ago - the content was still really lightweight and short and kind of click-baity but they seemed to be trying to engage with some stuff - Roxanne Gay had some good pieces.

But absolutely, this last year has been a terrible sad disgrace. I have a sort of second-order internet connection with one of their click-bait writers and I can tell you - they're a smart, funny person with a lot of great stuff to say, and I wish they had a paid outlet where they could support themselves by saying it.
posted by Frowner at 7:52 AM on May 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


(What long-form stuff? Where do they hide it?)
posted by Frowner at 7:52 AM on May 27, 2016


but how will i know who john oliver destroyed? or sam bee slammed?
posted by Think_Long at 7:53 AM on May 27, 2016 [28 favorites]


I keep thinking "oh good, someone has destroyed Trump, this is excellent, I would have expected to see it all over the internet"....and then it turns out that they don't mean destroyed-destroyed.
posted by Frowner at 7:55 AM on May 27, 2016 [12 favorites]


(politico has been a vile garbage fire from day one)

I'd say a much different style fire. Politico has always been an inside the beltway gossip rag.

Anyway, I think this may just be the lot in life for advertising based websites. Die a hero, or live to be clickbait. The money just isn't in it to be a sustainable business. And trying to grow a large audience of intelligent people means that a large portion may be using adblock.
posted by zabuni at 7:58 AM on May 27, 2016 [7 favorites]


I used to be a massive fan of Salon. They used to have a lot of smart political commentary, and a lot of their cultural pieces were decent. But man, it's been depressing to watch its decline. I think the final straw for me was the piece from a few days ago by some novelist, solemnly explaining in a completely incomprehensible dialect of academe-speak (yes, I am aware that's a tautology) why Drumpf was definitely going to win the election.
posted by holborne at 7:59 AM on May 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


Come back, Suck.com; the world needs you more than ever...
posted by acb at 7:59 AM on May 27, 2016 [36 favorites]


“The low point arrived when my editor G-chatted me with the observation that our traffic figures were lagging that day and ordered me to ‘publish something within the hour,’” Andrew Leonard, who left Salon in 2014, recalled in a post. “Which, translated into my new reality, meant ‘Go troll Twitter for something to get mad about — Uber, or Mark Zuckerberg, or Tea Party Republicans — and then produce a rant about it.’ … I performed my duty, but not without thinking, ‘Is this what 25 years as a dedicated reporter have led to?’ That’s when it dawned on me: I was no longer inventing the future. I was a victim of it. So I quit my job to keep my sanity.”

I look forward to a post-hot take world.
posted by mandymanwasregistered at 8:06 AM on May 27, 2016 [24 favorites]


(politico has been a vile garbage fire from day one)

I'd say a much different style fire. Politico has always been an inside the beltway gossip rag.


Yeah, this. I find it occasionally useful because I want to get a better handle on how Washington views itself, not how Washington actually is. I came to Salon late - started reading it on and off in college - these days I only visit when I'm following a link from somewhere else, and then only until I am reminded just how frustrating it is trying to navigate and deal with their weird approach to web design (on most of my devices, the page will reset periodically and throw me back to the top of the page).

This election cycle has Not Been Good for a whole bunch of previously useful sites. It's sucked all the air out of the room, even more so than previous elections did (as far as I remember, anyway), and the part of me that wants to read good reporting about issues other than Trump-Sanders-Clinton has to wander off to foreign options.
posted by AdamCSnider at 8:08 AM on May 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


Man, I loved Salon. Had a subscription during the Bush years. Bought subscriptions for friends. Used to download their pdf versions to read at work and home. But something happened to them between 2007 and 2009. Their bias became more overt. The quality of their stories dropped off a cliff and damn, it was frustrating. They had been a reliable source of liberal/left/progressive journalism for most of a decade.

At the time, columns by Anne Lamott and Glenn Greenwald and even Patrick Smith, their formerly anonymous Ask the Pilot, were still worth reading, but the handwriting was on the wall. As has been noted by several of us in the election threads, they were biased towards Sanders over the past year (which is fine) and extremely anti-Hillary (which would have still been okay if their pieces hadn't sounded like a breathless Breitbart most of the time). Short sighted of them, too, because now that she's the presumptive nominee, their entire playbook seems to have become "Bash Trump but don't cover Clinton."

The Politico article said it well. They've lost their way, and we've lost a superb media outlet.

Ironic that Politico is the one to say it, too.
posted by zarq at 8:16 AM on May 27, 2016 [9 favorites]


(What long-form stuff? Where do they hide it?)

YOU WON'T BELIEVE THESE 10 SIMPLE STEPS TO FINDING LONG-FORM CONTENT
posted by quonsar II: smock fishpants and the temple of foon at 8:16 AM on May 27, 2016 [28 favorites]


Metafiter: Farewell, once-favorite organ.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 8:17 AM on May 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


Another note:

"If there is hope..it lies in the proles"

One of the only groups that has seemingly been able to survive, simultaneously doing both clickbait and good journalism is of all things, Buzzfeed. We get Pinterest cooking fails, and the rise of white nationalism due to Trump's candidacy. Or even a damning long form analysis of grade faking at Northwestern Polytechnic University, which as far as I know, was reported first by Buzzfeed.

So, God help me for saying this, save us Buzzfeed, you're our only hope? If they can use clickbait like 20th century newspapers used classified ads, then maybe they can create an environment for good reporting.
posted by zabuni at 8:17 AM on May 27, 2016 [28 favorites]


Even when I started to see the slide at Salon, there was usually one writer there who could make it worth my while to visit the site; for a long time, that was Alex Pareene. But now he's gone, and even though Heather "Digby" Parton is there, Hullaballoo is also still a going thing, and saves me the tiresome and frenetic Hillary-bashing of H.A. Goodman and his ilk.
posted by Halloween Jack at 8:18 AM on May 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


Salon became seriously eye-rolly over the last couple years, yeah.

The Hill also seems to be nothing but quick, provocative headlines. They're like the kid in school who spins up every minor conflict in the hopes of seeing a fight in the cafeteria.

I thought better of Politico until their article on Michael Hayden's suggestions that the military might not follow illegal orders from Trump. They spun that in the most sensationalist way they could, deliberately ignoring the substance of what Hayden said. Anyone with a basic familiarity with the military could and should have understood what Hayden meant. I couldn't believe Politico was so ignorant. Even now, I'm still convinced that was a deliberate choice, not ignorance.

And yet, reading news widely online is still way, way better than the dumpster-fire-outside-a-county-fair that is cable news.

I wish we had better sources.
posted by scaryblackdeath at 8:19 AM on May 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


Back in the 90s there weren't too many venues online for longer form writing other than Salon and Slate so I read a lot of Salon back then. I still glance at it occasionally but it's pretty terrible and during this election season they've had scores of horribly nasty hit pieces on Clinton that you'd think were from the National Review.
posted by octothorpe at 8:19 AM on May 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


(politico has been a vile garbage fire from day one)

I'd say a much different style fire. Politico has always been an inside the beltway gossip rag.

Yeah, this. I find it occasionally useful because I want to get a better handle on how Washington views itself, not how Washington actually is.


Politico is great if you live in the DC metro and/or work in/upon/around/via funding from the government. I always think it's a little weird when it gets criticism from outside that universe for being something other than what it is. Sort of like when a houseguest picks up your copy of, like, the plastics manufacturing trade association magazine and says, ugh, this is stupid and boring and there aren't even Taylor Swift pictures.

Granted, they've been trying to branch out in recent years (bless their hearts). Even so, most journalists I know from my grad school DC years started at Politico because it's such an internal conduit through all the interesting offices in the city.
posted by late afternoon dreaming hotel at 8:23 AM on May 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


These days I just read Charles Pierce. And yeah, every now and then there's a longform piece on Buzzfeed that redeems them for all the 90s nostalgia and stories about anal sex. Seriously, someone on Buzzfeed is just nuts about the butt stuff.
posted by Ber at 8:31 AM on May 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


I mostly rely on Metafilter to post the worthwhile Buzzfeed stories so that I don't have to sift through the hundreds of "Which character from Charmed are you?" type posts.
posted by octothorpe at 8:42 AM on May 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


They employed cary tennis who wrote the best damn advice column ever, so for that alone, they have my thanks
posted by lalochezia at 9:00 AM on May 27, 2016 [7 favorites]


they sure saved my sanity back on some of the temp jobs I worked in the late 90s
posted by thelonius at 9:03 AM on May 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


The thing is, even back in their glory days, Salon regularly ran garbage from David Horowitz and leaned wayyyyy too heavily on Camille Paglia. I guess the difference is that most of the rest of the stuff that was running was generally better. But man, Horowitz posted some toxic-asshole shit on that site.
posted by the phlegmatic king at 9:07 AM on May 27, 2016 [10 favorites]


Salon's model seems to be "wait for a right-winger to say something dumb, then write 1000 words of outraged squawk". This is in keeping with the US left's decades-long strategy of reacting to idiocy instead of doing the hard work of trying to shift the conversation, and I'm so very tired of it.
posted by BitterOldPunk at 9:13 AM on May 27, 2016 [60 favorites]


I have a long list of places i go to daily on the net, and in so doing I find not much to read at Salon, but that is because I don't like spending time reading daily articles about an election that is still off in the distance. There is more to what is of interest than American elections to be.
There are, too, publications that are good, go bad, fail or, good, go bad, come back. Changing the editor at The New Yorker made a great difference.
Finally, I can not get hard reading one media place critiquing another. Some people perhaps enjoy that sort of thing but I prefer to make my own judgement.
Back in the day, New York city had how many newspapers? And now? Perhaps evolution is at work in the media and survival will depend upon fitness.
posted by Postroad at 9:18 AM on May 27, 2016


Who would have thought that the website that hired Garrison Keillor as an advice columnist was detached from reality??
posted by Bromius at 9:30 AM on May 27, 2016 [9 favorites]


Politico has always been an inside the beltway gossip rag.

The best name I've heard for it is "Tiger Beat on the Potomac".

I wouldn't mind Salon so much if they weren't so deeply down the "BERNIE CAN STILL WIN THIS WHEN THE MASSES WAKE UP TO HOW BAD HILLARY IS" rabbit hole. It's sad to see it happen to a site that used to be worth reading.
posted by Pope Guilty at 9:30 AM on May 27, 2016 [5 favorites]



Who would have thought that the website that hired Garrison Keillor as an advice columnist was detached from reality??


Oh hey, remember that super homophobic column he wrote back in the mid-2000s about how if gay men want to have kids they will have to give up on their frivolous gay lifestyle? The column where he literally said that gay men would have to stop having white sofas and lime polka-dot pants if they wanted to be taken seriously as fathers? It was pretty amazing.
posted by Frowner at 9:38 AM on May 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


Oh, this is sad. I used to read Salon regularly, although not much in the past ten years. I see Scott Eric Kaufman is gigging there (and Digby, too, huh?). Hope they make it out intact and solvent! SEK is a very fun writer, despite his tendency to revel in online mudslinging with conservatives and others.
posted by col_pogo at 9:38 AM on May 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


I remember when they bought and unbought The Well, events which don't seem to register as important.
posted by Obscure Reference at 9:43 AM on May 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


I used to read Salon every day. I even paid for a subscription when they did that sort of thing. I still read some of the writers I first discovered there who now write elsewhere, so there's that. But man oh man, it has turned into confused and desperate clickbait.

Feel the same way about Slate.
posted by Fizz at 9:46 AM on May 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Salon and Slate both seem to just be lefty-brand clickbait garbage that keep from fading into total irrelevance by occasionally paying an actually good writer to write an actually good piece for them.

If I recall correctly, though, Slate was the "You know that thing you think is bad? What if it were actually good???" site, and fuck that genre of stinkpiece in particular.
posted by tobascodagama at 9:51 AM on May 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


If I recall correctly, though, Slate was the "You know that thing you think is bad? What if it were actually good???" site, and fuck that genre of stinkpiece in particular.

Everyone I know calls this rhetorical move "#slatepitch" regardless of who is pitching it.
posted by Frowner at 9:54 AM on May 27, 2016 [20 favorites]


My thoughts on Salon in 2011. I still think their cluttered, endlessly reloading website has as much to do with their decline as anything. I do swing by there from time to time, but it is awfully hard to winnow out the good parts. Reading the comments whenever Caille Paglia writes something is always entertaining, though.
posted by TedW at 9:56 AM on May 27, 2016


The only things I read on Salon are written by Amanda Marcotte. That they give Camille Paglia a platform for her nonsensical ramblings (did you Trump is the REAL FEMINIST?), eesh.
posted by palindromic at 9:57 AM on May 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


In Slate's defense, they at least still have some really strong writers - Jamelle Bouie, and Dahlia Lithwick are pretty much the only reasons I go back there.
posted by Think_Long at 10:03 AM on May 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


The column where he literally said that gay men would have to stop having white sofas and lime polka-dot pants if they wanted to be taken seriously as fathers? It was pretty amazing.

Hey now we can't dismiss this out of hand. Those of us whose fathers started fathering in the 70s know how mindful they were of owning sensible furniture and tasteful pants, after all
posted by prize bull octorok at 10:05 AM on May 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


It's pretty clickbaity now but that's how digital media companies survive. I kinda have to go with Greenwald here - I mean, we are literally talking about Politico calling their leftism "strident." Slate has some good stuff and some really silly stuff.
posted by atoxyl at 10:05 AM on May 27, 2016


At my job, someone has a print subscription to Politico, every once in a while I look at the front page of one of the old issues they leave sitting in the kitchen, and then I have to take a minute to deal with the incredible rage it inspires in me.
posted by pan at 10:07 AM on May 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


I knew Salon was done when I happened to glance at it and there were literally back to back pieces proclaiming Bernie was absolutely going to win and Bernie had no chance in hell of winning.
posted by Ghostride The Whip at 10:14 AM on May 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


That's called "balanced reporting", right?
posted by Greg_Ace at 10:15 AM on May 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


That they give Camille Paglia a platform for her nonsensical ramblings (did you Trump is the REAL FEMINIST?), eesh.

Hear, hear! She is the epitome of the idiocy that Salon has become. They really are the Breitbart of the left.
posted by feste at 10:18 AM on May 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


Glenn Greenwald's (former Salon writer) take -- Salon is facing increased criticism for being more critical of the Democratic Party
posted by Noisy Pink Bubbles at 10:18 AM on May 27, 2016


Someone said something pretty insightful about Buzzfeed a while back, I think probably here. That they are trying to use listicles and cat gifs to support some quality writing, in the same way newspapers used to use real estate sections and the classifieds to support more important writing, things like international bureaus. Still doesn't make me read it regularly, but I do appreciate the effort given the old model is dead.
posted by tavella at 10:19 AM on May 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


I remember when they bought and unbought The Well, events which don't seem to register as important.

I maintain that Metafilter is like The WELL if anybody who doesn't post on the WELL cared about the WELL.
posted by Pope Guilty at 10:21 AM on May 27, 2016 [7 favorites]


I did a double-take when I realized they were publishing articles by HA Goodman. If you prefer Sanders, you prefer Sanders, whatever. But damn, you can still exert some form of journalistic integrity when choosing which pro-Sanders articles to use.
posted by Anonymous at 10:26 AM on May 27, 2016


here's GG in Salon in 2007 on who funds Politico:
The Politico‘s primary (perhaps sole) funding source is the Allbritton Company, of which Frederick Ryan is an employee. The Allbritton family’s leader, Joe, was CEO of Riggs Bank when Riggs pleaded guilty to a series of illegal financial transactions with right-wing Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet and his brutal military that took place throughout the 1990s and into 2001.
posted by ennui.bz at 10:44 AM on May 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


And yeah, every now and then there's a longform piece on Buzzfeed that redeems them for all the 90s nostalgia and stories about anal sex.

I must be reading the wrong Buzzfeed
posted by blucevalo at 11:02 AM on May 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


You are totally reading the wrong Buzzfeed. Go poke around the News section or Google for some of their long-form stuff. I'm consistently impressed by the quality and breadth of topics.
posted by Anonymous at 11:16 AM on May 27, 2016


There's a longform right now on Buzzfeed about the rejuvenation of an Elks club in Ballard Wa. It kind of sounds like what the Metafilter bar n' grill should be.
posted by Ber at 11:18 AM on May 27, 2016


What I really miss about Salon is Table Talk, the discussion area. I didn't post all that much, but I followed people -- smart people, sometimes brilliant writers -- through marriages, divorces, political evolutions, religious conversions, therapy. They used their real names, mostly -- you could do that back then.

Then Salon shut it down in favor of something called "Salon Blogs".

Sometimes I see people's names that I recognize from there. Sometimes semi-well-known people. I always wonder if it would be gauche to ask, "Hey, weren't you on Table Talk in the late 90's?" Or maybe that would mean that I know more about them than you would want a stranger to know in the age of Googling employers and doxxing harassers.
posted by Ralston McTodd at 11:38 AM on May 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


I used to read Salon every day. Then they shuttered Table Talk, saturated the site with the most obnoxious advertising, and ran a story by a man explaining the horrors of dating in middle age, complaining of a woman with hairs on her breasts. That's when I peaced out, years ago. I can't wait to see Salon called out on a listicle of "20 Web Sites From The 90s Everyone Forgot"
posted by trunk muffins at 11:42 AM on May 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Table Talk was so great. I would miss it way more if I were not on metafilter, though. Table Talk was good, metafilter is better - there was some dumb shit on Table Talk that would be smoothed away by the sweet, sweet hand of moderation here.
posted by Frowner at 11:51 AM on May 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


I discovered Salon through Broad Sheet, or whatever it was called. When they stopped that I stopped reading it.
posted by LizBoBiz at 12:10 PM on May 27, 2016


My thoughts on Salon in 2011. I still think their cluttered, endlessly reloading website has as much to do with their decline as anything.

Interesting you should mention this. Not that I want to keep on going back to hating on Slate, but one of the main reasons I stopped reading their site was because the design of their website changed a few years ago and it was an absolute horrid mess. Makes me wonder about the correlation of web-design, with that of writing quality.

I guess it could be worse, they could have autoloading videos.
posted by Fizz at 12:22 PM on May 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Glenn Greenwald's (former Salon writer) take -- Salon is facing increased criticism for being more critical of the Democratic Party.

Yeah, I call BS on this... I mean, maybe that's why they are facing increased criticism, but it's certainly not why they are deserving of criticism. They deserve to be slammed because they aren't very good, and certainly not near as good as they used to be. I would *love* intelligent attacks from the left on the Democratic Party, but Salon isn't the place to find that.

Some of crap on their site right now: "Seth Meyers keeps hitting them out of the park: Watch him perfectly break down Hillary’s email flap", "5 superfoods you’re probably not eating", "“Pharma Bro” Martin Shkreli endorses Donald Trump — and is immediately and repeatedly punked by Trump impersonators on Twitter", "Ann Coulter goes full birther to slam President Obama’s historic trip to Hiroshima", "“X-Men: Apocalypse”: Mutants face an ancient, leathery nightmare — nope, not Trump!", "“I got nothing against him”: Neil Young reverses position on Donald Trump using his music", "“Now hiring class of 2016″: Outrage over Michigan strip club’s casting call"

(holy shit, their analysis of popular media movie blockbusters through a political lens make me want to gag; the one about how the new captain america movie was libertarian propaganda made my eyes roll into the back of my head - I'm still literally blind from that incident).

Now, intermingled with that steaming piles of crap I pasted up above are some articles that look like they might be insightful and/or nuanced commentary. But the context of those good articles is within a blender of clickbait crap.

ugh.

Also, I subscribed to them when they were good, and I haven't stopped coming back, but I feel shitty every time I visit their site; like I'm making the world a worse place for visiting them.
posted by el io at 12:58 PM on May 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


Salon did for "progressives" what the Twitter did for "atheists." Nothing good.
posted by Dark Messiah at 1:44 PM on May 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Salon's model seems to be "wait for a right-winger to say something dumb, then write 1000 words of outraged squawk". This is in keeping with the US left's decades-long strategy of reacting to idiocy instead of doing the hard work of trying to shift the conversation, and I'm so very tired of it.

Metafilter:, etc.
posted by Sebmojo at 1:46 PM on May 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


I quit reading Salon regularly after they canned Cary Tennis. (I'm surprised he wasn't quoted on this article.) I only read it when I'm bored at my volunteer job, and the website's various scripts 'n crap kept crashing the computer.

Also, that penis article was just terrible.
posted by jenfullmoon at 6:04 PM on May 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Table Talk was, I think, my first non-Usenet discussion thingie on the internet. I used to read Salon every day, and then at some point I stopped. I'm not even sure I was conscious of doing it. They're just not on my to-read list anymore.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 6:06 PM on May 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


More applause for Cary Tennis and his remarkable advice column. Once he was gone from Salon, I was too. It's like all the grownups got locked out over time.
posted by Sweet Dee Kat at 6:18 PM on May 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


I didn't know Salon is funded by the co-founder of Adobe and a venture capitalist. So regardless of the dot-com bust, or going behind a paywall, or embracing clickbait, it is only afloat thanks to subsidies from two wealthy benefactors, right? That's not unusual; plenty of (most?) publications only exist because of a patron content to lose money.

I wonder what Warnock and Hambrecht think of Salon's current form. Because, as the article states, Salon "built its reputation defending Bill and Hillary Clinton" but has turned incredibly anti-Hillary. Have they changed their attitude? The article gives the impression they aren't as involved as they used to due to age.

Anyway, I think the problems Salon and MSNBC and other liberal opinion/news orgs have mostly just come down to not knowing what to do with themselves since Bush left office.

One of the only groups that has seemingly been able to survive, simultaneously doing both clickbait and good journalism is of all things, Buzzfeed.

Buzzfeed seems to have become what Huffington Post was supposed to be.

I mostly rely on Metafilter to post the worthwhile Buzzfeed stories so that I don't have to sift through the hundreds of "Which character from Charmed are you?" type posts.

Piper!
posted by riruro at 8:52 PM on May 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


As an EDM rapper and vaping endorsee, I feel this speaks to the larger question of, "Whassup when booshit don pay tha billz maing?"

In a global sense it is truly mystifying cultural turbulence in our communications troposphere. Specifically with regard to the existential Western media ethos. The kind I used to enjoy reading about in long form on Salon. Over a decade ago.

*pours out 0.4oz of hand sanitizer*
posted by petebest at 6:07 AM on May 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Paglia really should be on Slate these days; she's a living embodiment of #slatepitch.
posted by The Card Cheat at 9:53 AM on May 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Then Salon shut it down in favor of something called "Salon Blogs".

I had one of those. It used Radio Userland, David Winer's blog software, which used to hurt so very much. Drinking helped, and then it stopped helping. Salient bits posted here and here because the raw text files can destroy lapops with their sheer Sparxian mid-twentiesness.
posted by Sparx at 10:14 PM on May 30, 2016


I mainly remember Table Talk for Dogs in Elk.
posted by tavella at 10:20 PM on May 30, 2016


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