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I still can't decide whether his artwork or his ideas are more genius. Boulet never fails to satisfy.
posted by Greg_Ace at 2:49 PM on June 1, 2016 [1 favorite]


Awesome.
posted by suelac at 2:51 PM on June 1, 2016


I have a very high tolerance for ridiculous traps in movies but I always, always start wondering about the ecology of the snakes in the Well of Souls and end up annoyed
posted by prize bull octorok at 2:52 PM on June 1, 2016 [9 favorites]


Marjorie James' Death Trap series of short stories are a very fun take on this topic, about a skilled artisan in charge of designing, repairing, and sometimes removing said traps.
posted by themadthinker at 2:53 PM on June 1, 2016 [8 favorites]


Did anyone else have trouble with the thermodynamics of magic in the HP universe?
posted by grumpybear69 at 2:53 PM on June 1, 2016 [7 favorites]


This has always annoyed me, too, and once trying to put off studying I decided to design an elaborate trap that had amazing things happen to people who do good things. So like if you picked up litter on the street it would trigger a Rube Goldbergesque sequence of awesome stuff that would transport you to an ice cream shop with a $50 gift card. Then I thought, well what if the person is lactose intolerant or has diabetes, that would be cruel. And what if they had a dog or were on the way to the doctor and now they're late? So now the machine is cruel, not good. Okay, so maybe if you did something good then instead of a bull dozer chasing you driven by a madmad then you'd get to drive the bulldozer if you were the kind of person who'd always wanted to do that. But what if you got stressed out trying to work the gears and ran into a power pole and caused a power outage? That's not good either. And so on.

I must have gone through half a notebook trying to figure this problem out before I realized that elaborate traps for evil are just so much easier to build than ones for good. And suddenly I understood our health care system.
posted by barchan at 2:59 PM on June 1, 2016 [78 favorites]


In the undergrad class I teach we had one of our fellow researchers come in and talk about deep time science, which is the idea of planning for the far, far future. The example she used, and had the students think about, was nuclear waste. Let's say you have a lot of hazardous material that have a radiation risk. You want to bury them somewhere, and your civilization might not be around to stop curious people from digging / exploring / building in that area. You also can't guarantee that whatever civilization is left will speak your language. Therefore you have to come up with ideas to ward off future explorers.

Building something heavily guarded says that there's something of value hidden there. The students brought up traps of varying sorts, but this would of course indicate the same thing. There were some other interesting ideas, like a giant reflective black surface that would get so hot in direct sunlight that it would effectively keep the intrepid away by itself.

The game Dark Souls 1 has an interesting take on the whole "trapped temple" idea. There's a level (Sen's Fortress) that is nothing but wall to wall cartoonish traps: swinging pendulum blades, pressure plate arrow traps, a giant rolling boulder pinball machine. It's only later in the game that you can piece together that Sen's was build as a deathtrap on purpose, and that the main antagonist of the game has been putting these obstacles in your way not so much to stop you, as to keep out the unworthy and act as a test to make sure that only the strongest actually get to the point where they can do the [MacGuffin].
posted by codacorolla at 3:02 PM on June 1, 2016 [3 favorites]


Metafilter: "...elaborate traps for evil are just so much easier to build than ones for good. And suddenly I understood our health care system."
posted by sammyo at 3:06 PM on June 1, 2016 [2 favorites]


Oh gosh, one click back and [SPOILERS DON'T LOOK] Lightsaber Unicorn!
posted by sammyo at 3:13 PM on June 1, 2016


Did anyone else have trouble with the thermodynamics of magic in the HP universe?

I had a lot of problems with the economics of magic. It didn't seem to cost anybody anything to use it, so how is it that there can be poor wizards and rich wizards? Why should the Weasleys have mended hand-me-down robes when Mrs Weasley is capable of, for instance, using magic to do her dishes? Why can't the robes be magicked? Etc.
posted by not that girl at 3:16 PM on June 1, 2016 [21 favorites]


There's a level (Sen's Fortress) that is nothing but wall to wall cartoonish traps: swinging pendulum blades, pressure plate arrow traps, a giant rolling boulder pinball machine.

And when you get to the roof you get to see where the damn boulders are coming from, they're not just being created ex nihilo by the exigencies of video game logic, <3 u Dark Souls
posted by prize bull octorok at 3:19 PM on June 1, 2016 [4 favorites]


Robot Chicken's take.
posted by Tell Me No Lies at 3:22 PM on June 1, 2016 [5 favorites]


The Mausoleum of the First Qin Emperor is supposed to have used mercury to recreate water features. Which is actually a pretty good, very cheap, but somewhat slow deathtrap. Having magic makes things easier though. Returning to the Qin Emperor above, if all the terracotta warriors were golems, you don't need a deathtrap or a maintenance crew, or to kill quite so many people to keep things secure, because golems.
posted by Grimgrin at 3:23 PM on June 1, 2016 [4 favorites]


grumpybear69 - So have you seen the other Harry Potter comic Boulet did?

Also one guy had such a big problem with the thermodynamics of Harry Potter that he wrote a 660,000 word screed about it, only he got distracted and ended up writing about humanism and Bayesian reasoning and a complicated plot to end death instead of coming up with a plausible explanation for the science of magic and I was annoyed.
posted by Wretch729 at 3:25 PM on June 1, 2016 [10 favorites]


Did anyone else have trouble with the thermodynamics of magic in the HP universe?

You might like Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality.

"You turned into a cat! A SMALL cat! You violated Conservation of Energy! That's not just an arbitrary rule, it's implied by the form of the quantum Hamiltonian! Rejecting it destroys unitarity and then you get FTL signalling! And cats are COMPLICATED! A human mind can't just visualise a whole cat's anatomy and, and all the cat biochemistry, and what about the neurology? How can you go on thinking using a cat-sized brain?"
Professor McGonagall's lips were twitching harder now. "Magic."
"Magic isn't enough to do that! You'd have to be a god!"
Professor McGonagall blinked. "That's the first time I've ever been called that."

posted by justsomebodythatyouusedtoknow at 3:27 PM on June 1, 2016 [2 favorites]


Warning : Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality goes to some incredibly dark places in describing what a bigoted sociopath like Malfoy might be capable in that magical world.

A magical world where you could easily abuse someone then use spells to wipe their memory, and go back and abuse them again .....

Trigger warnings for sex crimes.
posted by Faintdreams at 3:33 PM on June 1, 2016


Deathtraps / Boobytraps that actually exist serve a few interesting purposes:

- They act as a sort of password system, so that only people who know the layout of a place can walk safely in it. E.G. mining one pathway through a forest that your enemy is likely to take, and leaving an obscure path untouched.

- They're devices of terror. Especially applied to an invading army. Having enemy troops scared of blowing up if they enter the wrong house in your territory is a big advantage. It takes a mental toll on them, and also wastes their time and resources looking for, and clearing, traps.

- If you're sadistic, then they're emotionally satisfying. Sort of like Poe's The Pit an the Pendulum, or H.H. Holmes' IRL murder castle.

- They play off the power of suggestion. Simply having a reputation for having a trapped mansion, or whatever, might be enough to keep people away (potentially without even having to build that many traps). Or, as the FPP article suggests, would simply act as a filter for those brave enough to face traps in order to get to your stuff. This is sort of like the "This House Protected by AlarmGuard" in the actual, modern day (what is a home security system if not a non-fatal trap?).
posted by codacorolla at 3:36 PM on June 1, 2016 [2 favorites]


I've always thought "We have lots of radioactive waste" and "We need a trap that will discourage people for a long time" are problems that solve each other.
posted by Mr.Encyclopedia at 3:43 PM on June 1, 2016 [5 favorites]


because golems

Have you even priced golems recently? What is this, the city where the streets are paved with gold? You know they went bankrupt on that piece of so-called civic improvement. Not to mention the at-fault liability suits from all of those people who slipped and cracked their heads open. The paperwork!

You can have one old dibbuk to guard your items (non-cursed) and he's close to retirement so try not to work him too hard, OK?
posted by the uncomplicated soups of my childhood at 3:43 PM on June 1, 2016 [6 favorites]


"With only one sniper we'd have a better rendement."

I love it when Francophone creators let French in, especially in contexts where (a) it's super clear what the intent of the word is; and (b) when the French word is not quite translatable into an English word that captures the full meaning of the French. "Rendement" is result, but it also pulls in a kind of efficiency concept, so "result as compared to effort expended" kind of thing.

Also, viva Boulet! He's so awesome.
posted by Shepherd at 4:05 PM on June 1, 2016 [6 favorites]


The deep time / nuclear waste thought experiment was actually based off the work of SciFi author Gregory Bensen working alongside the Dept. of Energy,
This was the brief Benford was given: the U.S. government recognizes that no human civilization has ever lasted more than a thousand years, but the nuclear waste produced by American reactors will still be poisonous ten thousand years from now. How can we possibly communicate to whatever civilizations might exist that far in the future that the sites where we're going to store our nuclear waste should not be broken into, farmed on, or lived near — especially when those civilizations might be nontechnological. (The U.S. Department of Energy apparently knows Einstein's famous quip that he had no idea what weapons would be used to fight the Third World War, but World War IV will be fought with spears.)
It appears that the idea of black concrete was one of the actual possibilities that the working group came up with (although I think our students also came to a similar conclusion independently).

It appears as though the hole will be filled by 2030, so I guess we can see whatever they end up with at that point. Assuming we're all still alive.
posted by codacorolla at 4:06 PM on June 1, 2016 [2 favorites]


"Rendement" is result, but it also pulls in a kind of efficiency concept, so "result as compared to effort expended" kind of thing.

"Yield" is a pretty 1:1 translation in that context.
posted by jedicus at 4:09 PM on June 1, 2016 [1 favorite]


Did anyone else have trouble with the thermodynamics of magic in the HP universe?

Nearly everything that happens in a fantastic book that doesn't happen in real life doesn't happen because of thermodynamics.

Why no space colonies? Thermodynamics.

Why no giants? square-cube issue and yeah, thermodynamics.

Why no backpack jets? Thermodynamics.

Why no magic? Thermodynamics.
posted by GuyZero at 4:27 PM on June 1, 2016 [3 favorites]


More like thermody-killjoy, if you ask me.
posted by the uncomplicated soups of my childhood at 4:32 PM on June 1, 2016 [19 favorites]


If Indiana Jones was any sort of archaeologist, he would be excavating booby traps to figure out how the ancients made machines that still work after many years lying un-maintained in a tropical rainforest.

BTW: To keep future people away from nuclear waste dumps, make the dump site appear utterly worthless: fill the top hundred feet of the mineshaft with metal-free construction debris like broken bricks and chunks of concrete. Maybe put a layer contaminated with something nasty like anthrax spores beneath that.
posted by monotreme at 4:39 PM on June 1, 2016 [3 favorites]


I'm working on a book series where a young person is taught how to violate thermodynamics while untangling a complex mystery.
posted by Mr.Encyclopedia at 4:40 PM on June 1, 2016 [2 favorites]


Elaborate traps, eh? Okay: Grimtooth
posted by underflow at 4:44 PM on June 1, 2016 [4 favorites]


More like thermody-killjoy, if you ask me.

Just get a Demon of the Second Kind ("magical and thermodynamical, nonclassical and stochastical") and you're all set.
posted by effbot at 4:45 PM on June 1, 2016


Oh god. Grimtooth. I haven't thought of those books since high school!
posted by das_2099 at 4:46 PM on June 1, 2016 [1 favorite]


the uncomplicated soups of my childhood: Qin Shi Huang unified China. First one to be recognized as Emperor. Now emperors, as a rule, do not generally live in a world of "budgets" or "you can haves". It's more a world of "this will happen" and "anyone who says otherwise gets to die".

Which actually explains deathtraps reasonably well. If an absolute despot says "Arrows, boulders, and trapdoors". You probably don't want to be the one going on at length about how pointless and dumb the entire idea is.
posted by Grimgrin at 5:14 PM on June 1, 2016 [1 favorite]


This week I had to make some changes to a 10 year old Perl script wrapper to a Makefile for some C which is part of an elaborate trap. "Complicated and cunning, but not really efficient" resonates with me right now.
posted by bdc34 at 5:18 PM on June 1, 2016 [5 favorites]


monotreme: " fill the top hundred feet of the mineshaft with metal-free construction debris like broken bricks and chunks of concrete."

You'd think but not so much.
posted by Mitheral at 5:19 PM on June 1, 2016 [3 favorites]


bdc34- you don't happen to work at Bell Labs or something?

I forget the name of the toolkit I was working on, but I left some doubtless ugly, ugly things behind there.
posted by wotsac at 5:32 PM on June 1, 2016


I've always thought "We have lots of radioactive waste" and "We need a trap that will discourage people for a long time" are problems that solve each other

Well, a big problem is that people aren't going to just keel over and die as soon as they get ahold of the waste; They are going to be able to spread it around a bit before people start mysteriously losing their hair/teeth and dying horrible deaths.

But, the reason the aforementioned exercise is so interesting is that the more tough your "Keep Out!" methods are, the more badass it seems like it makes whatever you are protecting.

The goal is find a balance of "man, the stuff in here is lame" and "man, the stuff in here is a pain in the ass to get to".
posted by sideshow at 5:42 PM on June 1, 2016 [4 favorites]


Grimgrin: Qin Shi Huang unified China. First one to be recognized as Emperor. Now emperors, as a rule, do not generally live in a world of "budgets" or "you can haves". It's more a world of "this will happen" and "anyone who says otherwise gets to die".

Wasn't the whole reasoning behind the Terracotta warriors that someone convinced him that having all of his soldiers and servants and oxen &c buried alive with him was probably not a good idea, for you know, China, and that, hey, statues would probably work just as well in the afterlife, if not better?

I saw the Terracotta warrior exhibit at the ROM in Toronto and it was really fascinating but I was also minding a pair of teenagers and they either go in for Ancient China or they don't, and these two didn't they just wanted chewing gum which I was not about to give them in a museum thank you very much so my understanding of the exhibit was somewhat diminished. Bought a TC Warrior dog toy though, the dog hates it.
posted by the uncomplicated soups of my childhood at 5:51 PM on June 1, 2016 [2 favorites]


No thread about magic and thermodynamics is complete without a link to Ra, by Mefi's own qntm.

(The plot kind of falls apart at the end, by the author's own admission, but I still highly recommend it! It's a very interesting and enjoyable read.)
posted by teraflop at 5:51 PM on June 1, 2016 [1 favorite]


Boulet was nominated for the NCS (don't call it a Reuben) Award for Best Online Comic Short Form (Boulet Short? Well, the Long Form award was for ongoing serialized stories) but lost to Dave Kellett for Sheldon, which was long overdue, but Kellett's been less active this year... although that is a common practice for the NCS Awards... so Boulet needs a couple more good years, then take some time off and wait for the awards...
posted by oneswellfoop at 6:00 PM on June 1, 2016


Kellett's been active; he's just working more on Drive than Sheldon (and while I like Sheldon, I love Drive, so this works out for me).

/derailleur
posted by thecaddy at 6:06 PM on June 1, 2016 [1 favorite]


"It didn't seem to cost anybody anything to use it, so how is it that there can be poor wizards and rich wizards? Why should the Weasleys have mended hand-me-down robes when Mrs Weasley is capable of, for instance, using magic to do her dishes? "

THIS MAKES ME FUCKING CRAZY EVERY TIME I READ THEM THERE IS NO REASON FOR THE WEASLEYS TO BE POOR EXCEPT THE STORY WANTS THEM TO BE POOR.

I'm sorry. It makes me all-caps crazy, especially once the Weasley offspring goes to work for Gringotts which apparently makes its money by FINDING TREASURE ... that's just THERE? That they're stealing from other countries apparently in Eastern Europe???? That has value to Muggles but they're just taking??????? It's actually super-dark if you start to think about it. BUT IT MAKES THE WEASLEYS BEING POOR MAKE EVEN LESS SENSE.
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 6:25 PM on June 1, 2016 [8 favorites]


Part of the charm of those books is that, if you think for more than a second, none of the worldbuilding makes even the tiniest bit of sense.
posted by jeather at 7:26 PM on June 1, 2016 [8 favorites]


If you have to worry about thermodynamics then it's science and not magic.
posted by chisel at 7:31 PM on June 1, 2016 [1 favorite]


You might like Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality.

oh man, i tried reading this about 6 years ago when i first saw it recommended on metafilter and i can say with fairly reasonable certainty that it was the most tedious fic i have ever had the grave misfortune to have read. not the WORST fic, just the most tedious tiresome waste of time fic.
posted by poffin boffin at 7:34 PM on June 1, 2016 [5 favorites]


poffin boffin: As the poster of that post, I think I can safely say that I wouldn't have posted it if I had known (a) how tedious it would end up becoming, or (b) how obnoxious the author was. Mea culpa!
posted by teraflop at 7:43 PM on June 1, 2016 [1 favorite]


Is it more tedious than Jo Walton's "Among Others"? < /Derail>
posted by sevenyearlurk at 7:46 PM on June 1, 2016 [1 favorite]


Eyebrows McGee: "That they're stealing from other countries apparently in Eastern Europe???? That has value to Muggles but they're just taking???????"

1) I imagine there are treaties governing distribution. 2) there is a good chance the treasure and/or vault it is is in is magically trapped or protected. Letting muggles extract it would reveal the existence of magic.
posted by Mitheral at 8:12 PM on June 1, 2016


But nobody grows, harvests, or manufactures any fundamental commodities upon which an economy might be based!

(Also I'm pretty sure they're digging up Nazi gold.)
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 8:32 PM on June 1, 2016 [1 favorite]


Oh man, the Grimtooth book! I just found a PDF online to re-read it, and it all came flooding back—the piano floor (spring-mounted floorboards with fixed razor-sharp blades in between), the bow with monofilament for a string that cuts off your fingers, the false step filled with downward-angled pungi spikes. All so completely devious and unfair that you'd only use them if you completely hate your players. (And a lot of which are even more impossible to reset than Boulet's examples—Once an avalanche of tons of rock fall out of a false ceiling, who is going to put those rocks back?)
posted by ejs at 8:42 PM on June 1, 2016


]I have a very high tolerance for ridiculous traps in movies but I always, always start wondering about the ecology of the snakes in the Well of Souls and end up annoyed

well basically there are these asps and they are very dangerous
posted by ricochet biscuit at 9:11 PM on June 1, 2016 [1 favorite]


Why do I care what savages ten thousand years from now do, or do not do?
posted by aramaic at 9:15 PM on June 1, 2016


But nobody grows, harvests, or manufactures any fundamental commodities upon which an economy might be based!

Except for information and information-management and manipulation tools.
posted by mwhybark at 9:39 PM on June 1, 2016 [1 favorite]


Is it more tedious than Jo Walton's "Among Others"? < /Derail>

I love Jo Walton, the person. I love her writing about books. I had a terrific time with her collection What Makes This Book So Great because it is a cheerful and insightful celebration of creativity. It really breaks my heart that I don't care for her fiction.

That said, there's a moment in Among Others that I like, where the protagonist is talking to the love interest, and she says something about the completely wacky higher education system created in some book she read, where people can just sign up to go to school and basically take classes in whatever interests them, and could, theoretically, keep doing that for as long as they wanted to so long as they were willing to pay. And the love interest says, "Um...that wasn't made up. That's how it works in America."

I'm from the US, and even though it's been explained to me many times, I still don't understand the British education system. When I used to work at the Michigan Womyn's Music Festival, I had a lot of friends from England and Ireland who were also workers, and even though one of them was a university lecturer, they could never make it clear to me. Nor could they pin down the British system of meals for me. What is "tea"? How is it different from dinner? Or supper? How many meals do people eat, and what do they call them? I never could get it clear in my head. Of course, it didn't help that they would contradict each other when trying to explain it.
posted by not that girl at 11:00 PM on June 1, 2016 [1 favorite]


British meals are named differently depending on ones social class.
posted by monotreme at 11:11 PM on June 1, 2016 [1 favorite]


While I'd never thought too hard about traps in most things (even the over the top ones like the Indiana Jones Boulder), I had -definitely- had this exact train of thought about everything about the Hunger Games series.

"So, in order to keep a bunch of rebels that you have outmatched in every technological way pacified, you're going to do something that you know will enrage them, every year, and make it required viewing? Are you sure you thought this plan through at any point?" Seriously, how did they make it 74 years before this blew back up in their faces?
posted by Archelaus at 12:47 AM on June 2, 2016 [1 favorite]


> "Nor could they pin down the British system of meals for me."

Oh, that's easy. Here's a typical daily meal schedule:

7:00am – Breakfast
8:00am – Morning Snack
9:00am – Second Breakfast
10:00am – Tiffin
11:00am – Elevenses
12:00pm – Lunch
1:00pm – Luncheon
2:00pm – Brunch
3:00pm – Yum Cha
4:00pm – Afternoon Tea
5:00pm – High Tea
6:00pm – Dinner
7:00pm – Apéritifs
8:00pm – Supper
9:00pm – Digestifs
10:00pm – Night Lunch
11:00pm – Nightcap

(12:00am – Midnight Snack, optional)
posted by kyrademon at 2:17 AM on June 2, 2016 [12 favorites]


You forgot the 2am just-back-from-the-pub bacon sandwich, possibly the most important meal of the day.
posted by Eleven at 3:28 AM on June 2, 2016 [5 favorites]


It's a regional and class thing to some extent. Tea vs dinner vs supper.

As a middle-class southerner, I say dinner for the main evening meal. I think I was brought up saying tea though. My kid has a meal about 4pm at school they call tea (just sandwiches and fruit), so I get the impression that (in these parts at least) tea is something kids have earlier than the adults have dinner. I've never said supper, that seems a bit old fashioned to me. Something my grandparents might say.
posted by EndsOfInvention at 3:31 AM on June 2, 2016 [1 favorite]


2:00pm – Brunch

what is that a northern hemisphere thing? Brunch can only be between Breakfast and Lunch. The clue is in the name. *shocked face*
posted by esto-again at 5:36 AM on June 2, 2016


prize bull octorok: "I have a very high tolerance for ridiculous traps in movies but I always, always start wondering about the ecology of the snakes in the Well of Souls and end up annoyed"

Well, the white rat delivery system is rather efficient. Guy comes around now and then with a breeding pair and a big bag of rat food. Rats breed faster than rabbits. When they are old enough the bottom of the ratatorium opens, due to the mass of the ratties. They are dumped into the snake pit along with their droppings. Self cleaning, you see. The snakes only need to eat every few weeks. And we don't want them too full to attack any interlopers, anyway. Purina rat food is very cheap. Not an issue really.
posted by Splunge at 7:58 AM on June 2, 2016 [2 favorites]


I always assumed the pile of snakes in the Well of Souls was like the Saskatchewan Snake Pits.
posted by fimbulvetr at 8:23 AM on June 2, 2016 [1 favorite]


If Indiana Jones was any sort of archaeologist, he would be excavating booby traps to figure out how the ancients made machines that still work after many years lying un-maintained in a tropical rainforest.


He probably also wouldn't leave so many dead Nazis lying around his excavations.


He'd at least try to lure them away from the site before murdering them.
posted by TheWhiteSkull at 8:48 AM on June 2, 2016 [2 favorites]


Brunch is very definitely a cross between breakfast & lunch and can therefore only occur in the morning.
posted by pharm at 10:29 AM on June 2, 2016


...Which actually explains deathtraps reasonably well. If President Trump says "Arrows, boulders, and trapdoors". You probably don't want to be the one going on at length about how pointless and dumb the entire idea is.
posted by Naberius at 12:37 PM on June 2, 2016


Naberius: " ...President Trump says..."

AAAAHHHHH!

Sorry.

You startled me.
posted by Splunge at 3:28 PM on June 2, 2016


There are two different classes of trap runs. The pointless ones like the boulder run and the ones that are there to provide a delaying tactic like the run in Harry Potter. The latter stops a large group of death eaters from rushing the goal so reinforcements can be summoned unlike Dumbledore keeping the MacGuffin on his person. A trap run is just a fancy mine field.
posted by Mitheral at 4:08 PM on June 2, 2016


They're not actually traps at all it's just that the super-intelligent and enlightened prelapsarian civilizations of the ancient world had ways of communicating too subtle for our debased minds to encompass. What we see as a blizzard of poison darts is actually 'Welcome to our temple. Please visit the gift shop on your way out.' A giant crushing boulder is an unambiguous 'A valet will bring your psionic airship to you momentarily. Enjoy the rest of your day.'
posted by um at 7:09 PM on June 2, 2016 [1 favorite]


Brunch is very definitely a cross between breakfast & lunch and can therefore only occur in the morning.

"Brunch" is clearly breakfast + lunch, which means it consists of leftovers from the two earlier meals and can only happen in the afternoon. Etymology, people!
posted by straight at 12:54 PM on June 3, 2016 [3 favorites]


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