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How Donald Trump Won: "The specific tactical modalities that took Trump from "well-known celebrity who polled well among Republicans" to "guy who beat a dozen established politicians and became the nominee" are worth recounting on their own terms. It’s a story of strong, innovative behavior on Trump’s part. But it's also a story of massive blundering on the part of the Republican establishment."

Few demonstrators camp at Cleveland park on eve of Republican National Convention: "I don't see it as [the city] telling us where to occupy. They're offering us a spot to occupy," he said.

MotherJones: Donald Trump and the Politics of Being an Asshole: "As Republicans gather in Cleveland, they are on the verge of nominating a jerk as their presidential candidate. To call Trump a jerk is not quite an insult, for he has purposefully campaigned as an unpleasant, mean, quick-to-insult, and uncivil contender."

NYTimes: Can We Find Our Way Back to Lincoln?: FOR my entire adult life I have listened to the invective leveled against the Republican Party by liberals: It is a party sustained by racist appeals, composed of haters and conspiracy nuts, indifferent to the plight of the poor and the weak, anti-woman. I have repeatedly denied those charges, publicly and forcefully. The broad indictment, the unfair generalizations, were caricature and calumny, the product of the fevered imagination of the left. Then along came Donald J. Trump, who seemed to embody every awful charge made against the Republican Party.

Later this week he will become my party’s nominee.


Lots of interesting #trump swag...
posted by roomthreeseventeen (1951 comments total) 76 users marked this as a favorite
 
This is going to be a disaster of some kind.
posted by Drinky Die at 8:33 AM on July 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


Thanks for this new election post.

Another link, from the New Yorker:
"Donald Trump’s Ghostwriter Tells All -- “The Art of the Deal” made America see Trump as a charmer with an unfailing knack for business. Tony Schwartz helped create that myth—and regrets it."
posted by zarq at 8:34 AM on July 18, 2016 [37 favorites]


Full RNC schedule, at the Washington Examiner.
posted by RichardP at 8:36 AM on July 18, 2016


I'm just here for the -illary jokes.
posted by beerperson at 8:36 AM on July 18, 2016 [35 favorites]


Clare Malone at 538: “The End of a Republican Party”
posted by Going To Maine at 8:36 AM on July 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


At least we know the RNC has really thought everything through.
posted by dersins at 8:37 AM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


(repeating from the previous thread): With all the hype and gloom (I'm as guilty as anyone), I'm starting to wonder if Trump will get a massive, unearned boost if there isn't a riot or a body count before the convention ends. The media might really play that up. "What an amazing turn of events! No one died and Cleveland didn't burn! Is Donald Trump a better leader than we thought?"

It's like even if there isn't a disaster, we'll still have a disaster of a different sort.
posted by scaryblackdeath at 8:37 AM on July 18, 2016 [13 favorites]


Also from the last thread:
Chris Kirk, Ian Prasad Philbrick, and Gabriel Roth at Slate: “141 Things Donald Trump Has Said and Done That Make Him Unfit to Be President”
posted by Going To Maine at 8:39 AM on July 18, 2016 [14 favorites]


I'm just here for the -illary jokes.

For me, that's just an ancillary reason to view this thread.
posted by Abelian Grape at 8:40 AM on July 18, 2016 [112 favorites]




If there isn't a riot then the Republicans will say it's because open-carry made all the Bad Guys (tm) too afraid to try anything so clearly we should expand that nationwide. If there is a riot then the Republicans will say it's Obama's fault because he is a weak not-strong weakling who caused everything wrong with the world.
posted by gatorae at 8:41 AM on July 18, 2016 [24 favorites]


I was thinking this story, Trump from his ghostwriter's POV, would make a good FPP, but since we've got a new thread, I'll just add it to the pile.

Key quotes:
- If he [Schwartz] were writing “The Art of the Deal” today, he would title it, “The Sociopath.”
- He [Trump] has no attention span...it’s impossible to keep him focussed on any topic, other than his own self-aggrandizement, for more than a few minutes.
- Lying is second nature to him. More than anyone else I have ever met, Trump has the ability to convince himself that whatever he is saying at any given moment is true, or sort of true, or at least ought to be true.
- Whenever the thin veneer of Trump’s vanity is challenged, he overreacts
- One of the most misleading aspects of “The Art of the Deal” was the idea that Trump made it largely on his own
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 8:42 AM on July 18, 2016 [65 favorites]


Full RNC schedule, at the Washington Examiner.

Full RNC schedule, at McSweeney’s
posted by Going To Maine at 8:42 AM on July 18, 2016 [35 favorites]


Nice touch on the red/white/black palette for the illustrations. Doesn't make me think of any other demagogues who stirred up the fires of racism in an economically-disadvantaged populace. At all.
posted by egypturnash at 8:43 AM on July 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


So happy I'll be in Canada and somewhat incommunicado most of the week.
posted by dw at 8:43 AM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Jeb Bush Blames President Obama For Donald Trump’s Rise:
Jeb Bush actually had the audacity to assert that because President Obama was trying to divide the nation, the Republican Party responded by attempting to out-polarize the president: “making us seem anti-immigrant, anti-women, anti-science, anti-gay, anti-worker and anti-common-sense.” And, that out of the “attempt to out-polarize President Obama,” the stage was set for Donald Trump to emerge as the GOP standard bearer."

posted by zarq at 8:43 AM on July 18, 2016 [11 favorites]


Donald Trump’s Ghostwriter Tells All

Just read that this morning. I'm really hoping that, as the campaign progresses, more people from Trump's past will come forward with such accounts. Although, given how criticism only seems to make his supporters like him more, one must ask the question : will it even make a difference?

... surely this?
posted by panama joe at 8:44 AM on July 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


On my way to work this morning I was listening to a recent This American Life episode where Harry Enten, a writer for 538, discussed why he called Trump's potential candidacy wrong when the polling data alone should have predicted it. Makes for an interesting listen.
posted by craven_morhead at 8:45 AM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


In case you missed it, you can tune in for a soap opera star or a soap opera star slash avocado farmer. What a deep bench!
posted by 0xFCAF at 8:46 AM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


... surely this?

He'd have to eat a baby live on stage to shift his supporters view of him now.

/Would not rule out.
posted by Artw at 8:47 AM on July 18, 2016 [13 favorites]


Jeb Bush actually had the audacity to assert that because President Obama was trying to divide the nation

Did he provide any specific examples of how Obama has tried to divide the nation? Speeches, quotes, sponsored legislation, anything?
posted by kirkaracha at 8:47 AM on July 18, 2016


So, when the hellmouth opens, what form do you think Trump will take? Will Mike Pence be consumed right away, or will he merely be blinded and horribly disfigured during the manifestation?
posted by TheWhiteSkull at 8:47 AM on July 18, 2016 [27 favorites]


I am so sick of this guy already. Every time I try to pretend he doesn't exist he just doesn't go away.
posted by Catblack at 8:47 AM on July 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


Who's doing some good liveblogging, inside-baseball stuff?
posted by odinsdream at 8:48 AM on July 18, 2016


Is someone in contact with corb today? corb, are you here in the thread? Stay ok during this thing, corb.
posted by phunniemee at 8:49 AM on July 18, 2016 [39 favorites]


He'd have to eat a baby live on stage to shift his supporters view of him now.

Pretty sure they've reserved that portion of the convention for Ted Nugent.
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 8:49 AM on July 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


He'd have to eat a baby live on stage to shift his supporters view of him now.

/Would not rule out.


/Would not count on it shifting his supporter's view of him.
posted by zombieflanders at 8:49 AM on July 18, 2016 [35 favorites]


That was a Hitler baby!
posted by Artw at 8:50 AM on July 18, 2016 [8 favorites]


Thanks for the post. I'm sending the NYT op-ed to a friend who is basically a moderate Republican but won't label himself as such. He is desperately clinging to the whole "party of Lincoln" thing and gets upset at the thought of people labeling the GOP as racist. We've discussed the Southern Strategy and the decades since and how everything during that time frame culminated with Trump today, and should not be a surprise. He's having a hard time accepting it, but I'm starting to see cracks in the facade. My goal is to not only get him to see the GOP for what it has become today, but also to make the mental leap that Hillary is not evil incarnate and deserves his vote. The discussion is ongoing. Wish me luck.
posted by triggerfinger at 8:50 AM on July 18, 2016 [32 favorites]


Hey, don't think this new thread gives you some sort of license to -illary.
posted by Huffy Puffy at 8:51 AM on July 18, 2016 [32 favorites]


Did he provide any specific examples of how Obama has tried to divide the nation? Speeches, quotes, sponsored legislation, anything?

Governing while black.
posted by Thorzdad at 8:51 AM on July 18, 2016 [126 favorites]


Lets hope that Hillary studies the hell out of that ghostwriter article during her debate prep. This article does a great breakdown of their two styles re: policy positions: Donald Trump's One Unbreakable Policy: Skip the Details (Politico).
posted by gatorae at 8:53 AM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


Did he provide any specific examples of how Obama has tried to divide the nation? Speeches, quotes, sponsored legislation, anything?

Not much of substance.

Link to the op-ed.
Eight years of the divisive tactics of President Obama and his allies have undermined Americans’ faith in politics and government to accomplish anything constructive. The president has wielded his power — while often exceeding his authority — to punish his opponents, legislate from the White House and turn agency rulemaking into a weapon for liberal dogma.
...
And, on the left, Hillary Clinton promises to continue the disastrous foreign and economic policies of the Obama administration, as well as its hyper-partisanship. She has gone as far as to say Republicans are her “enemy” — a clear sign she doesn’t have any more interest in doing the hard work of forging consensus than her former boss does.

posted by zarq at 8:53 AM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


The best part of a new thread is the constant derailing and joking for the first 1000 comments.
posted by DynamiteToast at 8:53 AM on July 18, 2016 [18 favorites]


Do you remember three and a half years ago, when the RNC wrote an "autopsy" document about what went wrong with the 2012 election and what should be done to fix the party for 2016. TPM wrote up a summary of the key points gleaned from the document in March of 2013:

1. Pass Immigration Reform Yesterday
2. Listen To Minorities
3. Gays Aren't Going Away
4. Epistemic Closure Is Real
5. Look To The States
6. Stop Being The Rich Guys

I wonder how the authors of that document are feeling right about now?
posted by octothorpe at 8:53 AM on July 18, 2016 [104 favorites]


Hey, don't think this new thread gives you some sort of license to -illary.

I feel trapped between Charybdis and Scyllary.
posted by beerperson at 8:54 AM on July 18, 2016 [28 favorites]


The Week: How the GOP became the party of lost causes

ever since the GOP adapted the lost cause rhetoric in the sixth party system?

Sam Wang: The party conventions begin

Pew Research Center: Evangelicals Rally to Trump, Religious ‘Nones’ Back Clinton

The Federalist:"Pence is a perfect political partner for Donald Trump. Like Trump, Pence is a political has-been who betrayed people who trusted him. Once a rising conservative star who himself considered, and was well-positioned to earn, a run for the presidency, as governor Pence traded his integrity for mere hopes of short-term political gain. "

The Week: How Trumpism hid in plain sight for 15 years
posted by the man of twists and turns at 8:54 AM on July 18, 2016 [12 favorites]


He'd have to eat a baby live on stage to shift his supporters view of him now.

"We will eat babies. We will eat all the babies. We will eat all the loser babies. And it'll be great, it'll be fantastic. We'll have a huge, luxurious baby buffet. These babies, they're not our best and brightest. If we let them grow up, they'll become rapists, drug runners, and some of them, I assume, will be good people. But we'll eat them anyway, and it will be HUGE."
posted by panama joe at 8:55 AM on July 18, 2016 [71 favorites]


NYTimes: Can We Find Our Way Back to Lincoln?

When the Republicans Really Were the Party of Lincoln (The Nation, July 2, 2014)
 When President Lyndon Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act into law on July 2, 1964, he is said to have told an aide, “We [Democrats] have lost the South for a generation.”

But that statement did not just apply to the Democrats. Republicans were, necessarily, part of the change equation.

The change began to develop quickly. Two weeks after the Civil Rights Act was signed into law, the Republican National Convention in San Francisco nominated for the presidency Arizona Senator Barry Goldwater, one of the handful of Republican senators who had opposed the measure.

Two months later, a key Democratic foe of civil rights, South Carolina Senator Strom Thurmond, switched his party affiliation and began working to remake the Republican Party so that it could appeal to Southern white voters. Thurmond was an essential backer of the campaigns of Goldwater in 1964, Richard Nixon in 1968 and Ronald Reagan in 1980. His influence on Nixon, who developed a so-called “Southern strategy” to help realize Thurmond’s vision of a transformed political map, was immense. It extended deep into the decision-making process for the selections of a vice president and Supreme Court nominees.
In short: in the early 1960s, before the Civil Rights Act.

So yes, you can get back to Lincoln, when party polarity switches again. Until then, stop citing Lincoln as a Stalwart Republican.
posted by filthy light thief at 8:55 AM on July 18, 2016 [28 favorites]


He'd have to eat a baby live on stage to shift his supporters view of him now.

Didn't he infamously say that he could murder someone on the street and it wouldn't matter?
posted by Thorzdad at 8:58 AM on July 18, 2016 [23 favorites]


You know, I've avoided the whole Pokemon Go thing up until now, but if it's enough of a distraction that I could completely avoid everything related to the Republican convention for the entire week, I may just have to give it a try.
posted by AlonzoMosleyFBI at 8:58 AM on July 18, 2016 [22 favorites]


yes, yes he did.
posted by zutalors! at 8:58 AM on July 18, 2016


So, when the hellmouth opens, what form do you think Trump will take? Will Mike Pence be consumed right away, or will he merely be blinded and horribly disfigured during the manifestation?

Giant slor? Large and moving Torg? Some sort of enormous orange pastry-monster? And Pence is getting eaten immediately, with a Wilhelm Scream overdubbed.
posted by Existential Dread at 8:59 AM on July 18, 2016 [19 favorites]


"But if [Trump] loses, there will be a pitched battle to rebuild the Republican Party; to make it different and better, more hopeful, humane and in touch with the concerns of both working- and middle-class voters, than it was pre-Trump."

No there won't. There will be a lot of talk about how Trump lost because he wasn't a True Conservative.
posted by TrialByMedia at 8:59 AM on July 18, 2016 [75 favorites]


Jesus, that "Can We Find Our Way Back to Lincoln?" Op-Ed:
How on earth did our party produce Mr. Trump as its nominee?

There’s a powerful temptation for many Republicans to avoid that question — or, in wrestling with it, to look to reassuring explanations and extenuating circumstances....
Finally, a Republican conceding that the party needs to take a good, hard look at its practices and...
For many on the left, explaining what happened is simple: The Republican Party has always been this way, and Mr. Trump is the logical and inevitable culmination of what the Republican Party has represented for decades. He is the ugly face of an ugly party.

I believe the truth is a good deal more complicated.
God damn it.

And back to Lincoln? The modern GOP would spit in Lincoln's face and do everything it could to crush him. His strong federalist policies are the polar opposite of anything modern Republicans claim to support.

You want to find your way back to Lincoln? Vote Democrat.
posted by Sangermaine at 9:01 AM on July 18, 2016 [65 favorites]


Looks like you can watch the RNC in VR this year. I don't know if I'm prepared for this level of reality, in this particular context. "It's like they could really mob up and beat the shit out of me at any second - right in my living room!"
posted by naju at 9:01 AM on July 18, 2016 [13 favorites]


Didn't he infamously say that he could murder someone on the street and it wouldn't matter?

That's like 8 years ago in cable-news election coverage. At this point he'd have to kill a baby with a knife and that would only turn off the republicans who only begrudgingly support him now out of power lust. The true believers would say the baby was a muslim and let you draw the conclusion.
posted by dis_integration at 9:01 AM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


the man of twists and turns: Once a rising conservative star who himself considered, and was well-positioned to earn, a run for the presidency, as governor Pence traded his integrity for mere hopes of short-term political gain.

Emphasis mine. And you left out the good stuff:
All he got was angry constituents, a 23-point drop in his public approval rating, and a 2016 gubernatorial re-election bid he’ll be lucky to win even though nobody knows his opponent.

A veep nod would parachute Pence out of facing the wrath of voters he’s screwed. Good for him. Not so good for the country or Trump’s electoral chances.
Mind you, that's not exactly a hit piece on Pence, but anger at the fact he's a wimp in the face of LGBT rights advocates (it gets ugly, and you're better off not reading more).
posted by filthy light thief at 9:01 AM on July 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


From Politico, perhaps a better look at what Trump means for the Republican Party, as seen by serious, principled, intelligent conservatives. And yes, I do find a lot of cognitive dissonance in that idea, as in when they say things like:

that the purpose of conservatism is to make life better for people, that there are certain things which are true—that compassion comes from civil society, it doesn’t come from government

But I'm going to try to believe that they actually mean that, no matter how far it seems to fall from actual Republican practice for the last...well, several decades. To the extent that I can do that and take these people seriously, as serious people who mean what they say, I've gotten some interesting insights from this.
posted by Naberius at 9:03 AM on July 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


"Low Energy" Jeb! Bush, "Choke Artist" Romney and all the other sore losers who were kicked out of the clown car, and are now decrying how Trump is making the party seem racist, sexist, and homophobic, spent years building the toilet seat over the GOP punch bowl.
posted by Cookiebastard at 9:04 AM on July 18, 2016 [34 favorites]


That's like 8 years ago in cable-news election coverage. At this point he'd have to kill a baby with a knife and that would only turn off the republicans who only begrudgingly support him now out of power lust. The true believers would say the baby was a muslim and let you draw the conclusion.

he feared for his life
posted by beerperson at 9:04 AM on July 18, 2016 [25 favorites]


A baby would kill you if it had the chance.
posted by justsomebodythatyouusedtoknow at 9:09 AM on July 18, 2016 [21 favorites]


It reached for his knife.
posted by Artw at 9:11 AM on July 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


“But if [Trump] loses, there will be a pitched battle to rebuild the Republican Party; to make it different and better, more hopeful, humane and in touch with the concerns of both working- and middle-class voters, than it was pre-Trump.”

No there won't. There will be a lot of talk about how Trump lost because he wasn't a True Conservative.

These things can (and likely will) both occur. Especially if Johnson does well and signals to the party that it should soften on social issues.
posted by Going To Maine at 9:12 AM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


Yay fucked up politics, the ability to destroy the planet several times over and let it's civilian population carry firearms in urban areas openly.

America Fuck Yeah!*

*Apologies to Canada, Central and South America.
posted by Samuel Farrow at 9:12 AM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


Not really enjoying the baby derail. There's more than enough reality to be getting on with.
posted by Devonian at 9:13 AM on July 18, 2016 [25 favorites]


But I'm going to try to believe that they actually mean that, no matter how far it seems to fall from actual Republican practice for the last...well, several decades. To the extent that I can do that and take these people seriously, as serious people who mean what they say, I've gotten some interesting insights from this.

Perhaps there really is a massive disconnect between the elite who run the Republican Party and the base. The elite are the ideologues who actually do hold their self-professed lofty views, and maybe don't share the prejudices of their base, or at least not completely, but are happy to use those prejudices to fuel the party.

I think we saw this come apart during the Bush years, when it was clear Rove and the elite wanted to turn towards capturing the Hispanic vote with things like immigration reform in 2006, but the base revolted and killed it. That was what led to the rise of the Tea Party, and ultimately to Trump.

The party elite seemed to not realize that the racism they were happy to utilize for decades wasn't just for show and couldn't just be turned off when the party goals changed.
posted by Sangermaine at 9:13 AM on July 18, 2016 [44 favorites]


Is Trump becoming the Republican candidate a 100% certainty at this stage, or is there the prospect of delegates rebelling/insiders pulling off a coup/some other subterfuge which ends with someone else on the ticket?
posted by acb at 9:14 AM on July 18, 2016


As you see aggressive open carry on the streets of Cleveland this week, don't forget about Tamir Rice.
posted by ChuraChura at 9:15 AM on July 18, 2016 [39 favorites]


Is Trump becoming the Republican candidate a 100% certainty at this stage, or is there the prospect of delegates rebelling/insiders pulling off a coup/some other subterfuge which ends with someone else on the ticket?

For the safety of Clevelanders and those attending the convention, I certainly hope not.
posted by Pope Guilty at 9:15 AM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


Currently the goal is for NeverTrumpers on the convention rules committee to put together the votes necessary for a "minority report" on whether to allow delegates to vote their conscience on the nomination. That would put the question to the entire convention rather than just the committee, where anti-Trump motions have been soundly defeated.
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 9:16 AM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


But if [Trump] loses, there will be a pitched battle to rebuild the Republican Party; to make it different and better, more hopeful, humane and in touch with the concerns of both working- and middle-class voters, than it was pre-Trump.

Or perhaps another demagogue, emboldened by the knowledge that there's an audience for ressentiment, who has a good swing at succeeding where Trump failed. Perhaps this one will even cultivate a toothbrush moustache or something.
posted by acb at 9:17 AM on July 18, 2016 [10 favorites]


I was wondering, over the weekend, how they are going to fill a week of air at the RNC. Trump's kids speak and then...open-mike night? Sovereign Citizen night? Minecraft playthrough on the big screen?
posted by thelonius at 9:17 AM on July 18, 2016 [10 favorites]


The only thing the party will learn from Trump's defeat is that discretion is the better part of bigotry. The last few years should provide ample warning to anybody who thinks you can excise white supremacy from the GOP: the masses who vote for the Republicans prize white supremacy above all other concerns, and there's enough of them to prevent such action.
posted by Pope Guilty at 9:19 AM on July 18, 2016 [19 favorites]


From the NYT piece (emphasis added):
But it is fair to say that there existed in the Republican Party repulsive elements, people who were attracted to racial and ethnic politics and moved by resentment and intolerance rather than a vision of the good. This group was larger than I ever imagined, and at important moments the Republican Party either overlooked them or played to them. Some may have been hoping to appeal to these elements while also containing and moderating them, to sand off the rough edges, to keep them within the coalition but not allow them to become dominant. But the opposite happened. The party guests took over the party.
This both admits and downplays the problem. They intentionally played with fire and continue to be surprised with the destruction it wrought. They can continue to try to play the "not all Republicans" card but regardless of whether they knowingly stoked these flames, the fact remains they're at fault for failing to set — and maintain — any sort of limits on what rhetoric is acceptable.

Sangermaine: The party elite seemed to not realize that the racism they were happy to utilize for decades wasn't just for show and couldn't just be turned off when the party goals changed.

Per the paragraph I quoted above, they still don't.
posted by fedward at 9:21 AM on July 18, 2016 [12 favorites]


But does he really shop at the Dictator's Furniture Warehouse?
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 9:21 AM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


If only standing up to the sociopaths who are running the planet into the ground wouldn't run the risk of coming across as rude (or hurtful!).
posted by Cosine at 9:23 AM on July 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


The only thing the party will learn from Trump’s defeat is that discretion is the better part of bigotry

The general notion on the left is that the R’s have been discretely bigoted for years. If that’s true, the assumption that discrete bigotry is what they’ll learn doesn’t seem to hold water - they’ve known it worked better for some time.
posted by Going To Maine at 9:23 AM on July 18, 2016


Here's Donny! Molly Crabapple writes splatterpunk fiction for the TNC
posted by The Whelk at 9:25 AM on July 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


Did he provide any specific examples of how Obama has tried to divide the nation? Speeches, quotes, sponsored legislation, anything?

Republicans won't quite come out and say this directly, but it's pretty clear that they believe Obama is deepening divisions by tacitly acknowledging that black people are treated unfairly in American society. The GOP theory is either (1) That's not true! It's white people who are the real victims here! or (2) Well, maybe that's a little true, but talking about it just makes things worse. Be patient and say nothing and you'll get fair treatment eventually, somewhere down the road.
posted by Pater Aletheias at 9:29 AM on July 18, 2016 [127 favorites]


It's a common right wing talking point that race relations were FINE until Obama became ...the head of black lives matter? And started people rioting against good honest cops for no reason?
posted by The Whelk at 9:31 AM on July 18, 2016 [24 favorites]


I *almost* feel sorry for Pete Wehner and his delusions about what the Republican Party has cared about and represented for the past six decades. All he has to do to burst his hopes that a sane Republican Party might rise from the ashes of the 2016 campaign is read the Republican convention platform, which by all accounts Trump and his crew have had almost no role in shaping.
posted by twsf at 9:33 AM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


Basically there's a lot of people who would look at this satire of a right-wing political cartoon and agree wholeheartedly with it.
posted by Pope Guilty at 9:34 AM on July 18, 2016 [18 favorites]


Be patient and say nothing and you'll get fair treatment eventually, somewhere down the road.

As Abbi Crutchfield tweeted:
"Your call for justice, equality, and safety is important to us. Please hold."
posted by Celsius1414 at 9:35 AM on July 18, 2016 [41 favorites]


Josh Rogin: Trump campaign guts GOP’s anti-Russia stance on Ukraine
The Trump campaign worked behind the scenes last week to make sure the new Republican platform won’t call for giving weapons to Ukraine to fight Russian and rebel forces, contradicting the view of almost all Republican foreign policy leaders in Washington.

Throughout the campaign, Trump has been dismissive of calls for supporting the Ukraine government as it fights an ongoing Russian-led intervention. Trump’s campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, worked as a lobbyist for the Russian-backed former Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych for more than a decade.
posted by zombieflanders at 9:36 AM on July 18, 2016 [16 favorites]


I keep seeing reports that the RNC considers Trump's nomination as a "blunder" but I believe it is anything but that. Most of what Trump is doing is the standard GOP/conservative playbook just turned up to 11. It's proof that what some of the GOP strategists have been saying was right all along. And it's going to be how the GOP runs campaigns in the future so get used to it.
posted by tommasz at 9:37 AM on July 18, 2016 [8 favorites]




Wow...that platform. They should call it the Double Down:

"The Double Down is a platform offered by the Republican Party (GOP). The Double Down contains "sexism, two different kinds of homophobia and nativism, and Lee Atwater's racist sauce...pinched in between two pieces of Original Recipe economic inequality."
posted by The Card Cheat at 9:42 AM on July 18, 2016 [31 favorites]


*Apologies to Canada, Central and South America.

Dude you forgot Mexico! And they deserve the apology more than anybody right now.
posted by zachlipton at 9:42 AM on July 18, 2016 [10 favorites]


I don't know why Republicans are acting confused about Trump -- he was an inevitability, or someone like him. I mean, the party has spent decades patching together an uneasy collection of single-issue voters, mostly by placating them in speeches but never doing anything to address their concerns, since the primary concern of the party has long been making sure there is an easy and constant flow of money to the very rich. But single-issue voters really don't have a choice but to vote for the person who gives lip-service to, say, eliminating abortion when the other party won't even consider it.

And that wing of the Republican party has been visibly going batshit for years. The anti-abortionists went early on, murdering doctors and bombing clinics. The anti-taxers went not long after, creating the sovereign citizen movement. And so it has gone, on down the line -- anti-gun control activists, who actually do get their desires heard (it's good for gun manufacturers) have recently lost their mind due to seven years of rhetoric about how Obama was going to take away their guns. The racists were always alert to the dog whistles, always dependable as Republican voters, but were supercharged by the tacit (and sometimes open) racism of the party, galvanized by the anti-Muslim rhetoric.

And the Tea Party came along, a catch basin for all this lunacy, and what did the Republican party, and especially their plutocrat donors do? They funneled huge amounts of money into it, thinking they could turn it into astroturfing when in fact what they did was suddenly create a voter base that was not easily placated, and won a lot of local and even national electoral victories with incompetent, lunatic candidates. It was like heating the water underneath a tropical storm -- suddenly it was a hurricane.

And that hurricane didn't want lip-service candidates whose real allegiance was to plutocrats. They wanted a candidate that was just like them: A mad ball of anger, resentment, and idiotically reductive solutions. They wanted someone who didn't just dog whistle to the racists, but was openly, nakedly racist. I haven't even mentioned the rise of terroristic misogyny, which has been massive and poisonous and I think is the real linking thread behind all these examples of mass violence in the last few years. They have their candidate too, a man who has no problem expressing contempt and disgust for women in public.

Anyone confused by the rise of Trump hasn't been paying attention. He's not an aberration. He's the storm that had to come.
posted by maxsparber at 9:43 AM on July 18, 2016 [204 favorites]


Sorry Mexico.
posted by Samuel Farrow at 9:46 AM on July 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


> I don't know why Republicans are acting confused about Trump

They *have* to act confused, because to admit to the role they all played in his rise would give away the game they've been playing for good.
posted by The Card Cheat at 9:47 AM on July 18, 2016 [16 favorites]


I wonder how the authors of that document are feeling right about now?

0-6.
posted by kirkaracha at 9:49 AM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


Catblack: "I am so sick of this guy already. Every time I try to pretend he doesn't exist he just doesn't go away."

PKD's got some bad news for you...

"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away."
posted by symbioid at 9:49 AM on July 18, 2016 [15 favorites]


Josh Rogin: Trump campaign guts GOP’s anti-Russia stance on Ukraine

This just in, someone is getting their marching orders from the Kremlin, and it's not who you think!
posted by dis_integration at 9:52 AM on July 18, 2016 [9 favorites]


*Adam Johnson starts breakdancing*
posted by Rustic Etruscan at 9:54 AM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


I'm agreeing with most of the comments but I'm concerned. There was similar tone after the 2012 election, the Republicans are clowns and the party is about to implode. Well, that did not happen. Maybe Trump has pushed the insanity passed the point on one return but...

Brexit should be a warning that the future is unpredictable and nothing should be taken for granted.
posted by KaizenSoze at 9:56 AM on July 18, 2016 [27 favorites]


Yet another spit-take from that NYT essay:

A friend of mine pointed out to me that part of the problem is that we are drenched in distaste for the actual practice of politics, and there’s an unstated sense among conservative activists in particular that the activity of governing is somehow illegitimate.

Unstated? Unstated?? What the fucking fuck? Hasn't this been the central Republican campaigning point since at least Reagan??
posted by Sublimity at 9:59 AM on July 18, 2016 [48 favorites]


Obligatory Dead Zone.
posted by gottabefunky at 10:03 AM on July 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


I haven't even mentioned the rise of terroristic misogyny, which has been massive and poisonous and I think is the real linking thread behind all these examples of mass violence in the last few years. They have their candidate too, a man who has no problem expressing contempt and disgust for women in public.


And, if the rise in (both open and coded) anti-black racism after Obama's election is anything to go by, a Clinton presidency will bring a similar rise in misogyny and violence against women. (The surge in domestic violence in Australia after the prime ministership of Julia Gillard, and the right-wing hate campaign against her in the Murdoch tabloids would also bear this out.)
posted by acb at 10:04 AM on July 18, 2016 [27 favorites]


I'm in Paris now (and unfortunately come home Wednesday night). I was talking with someone here who asked me, "okay, seriously, what are Trump's chances REALLY?"

I started out by explaining the biggest threat I could think of -the Bernie-or-bust crowd - and described them as being "passionate y fou" (passionate and crazy). But as I went on talking about the rest of the election, "passionate y fou" just fit so many other places too.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 10:04 AM on July 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


Damn the ending to McKay's article was chilling. Best Trump piece I've read.
posted by todayandtomorrow at 10:10 AM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


“Now, you can talk about these Reagan Republicans” — at his own mention of a conservative subset of voters some say didn’t turn out for Romney, Stevens stopped to guffaw a little — “I can tell you where to find Reagan Republicans: Go to a cemetery in Oakland County, Michigan. That’s where you find ’em.”
Owch.
posted by gwint at 10:18 AM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


Which one is the McKay article, todayandtomorrow?
posted by tavella at 10:19 AM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


How Donald Trump won is simple. He looked at a joke of an ineffective party, and simply, and quite literally, did the exact opposite of everything that the previous candidates had done in their campaigns.

If they all voted to support the presumptive nominee, he said no, unless it was him. If they found any common ground with eachother, he found none. If they shook hands, he didn't. If they gave speeches carefully crafted by speechwriters, he either wrote his own, or just went off the cuff. What this gave him was the advantage of not having to have a campaign warchest. His nomination was won solely through news coverage. You do not need a ridiculous amount of research to know how he won. He divided and conquered. And by the time they got around to actually sort-of uniting, it was way too late.
posted by prepmonkey at 10:20 AM on July 18, 2016 [14 favorites]


dw: So happy I'll be in Canada and somewhat incommunicado most of the week.

I've been in far northern Minnesota since last Thursday totally without Internet connectivity, and it is only with reluctance that I re-engaged with the world yesterday. :7(
posted by wenestvedt at 10:21 AM on July 18, 2016


Which one is the McKay article, todayandtomorrow?

Long but it's damn good

https://www.buzzfeed.com/mckaycoppins/how-the-haters-made-trump
posted by todayandtomorrow at 10:22 AM on July 18, 2016 [14 favorites]


Trump's ascension has less to do with him and more to do with the base flat out rejecting neoconservatism. Let's face it, most Americans hate endless wars, and most Americans are deeply resentful over free trade, so Trump's nomination isn't solely because of his immigration rhetoric, but a combination of things some of which appeals to large swaths of the electorate.
posted by Beholder at 10:23 AM on July 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


McKay also had a good interview on Buzzfeed's political podcast "No One Knows Anything." I finally learned the origin of "Short-fingered vulgarian" and wasn't disappointed!
posted by Tevin at 10:24 AM on July 18, 2016


the anti war candidate
Donald Trump, on Fox News again, says he'd go to Congress and ask for a declaration of war against ISIS. "This is war," he says.
posted by Rustic Etruscan at 10:27 AM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


I hope none of you had any lingering good feelings about Scott Baio. No, not the whole "he was asked to speak at the RNC at the last second and agreed" - sure, that was bad. I'm thinking specifically of this tweet.
posted by komara at 10:28 AM on July 18, 2016 [14 favorites]


Donald Trump, on Fox News again, says he'd go to Congress and ask for a declaration of war against ISIS. "This is war," he says.

But he also said no regime change in Syria, right?
posted by Beholder at 10:29 AM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


I'm thinking specifically of this tweet.

The masks are all coming off.
posted by dersins at 10:30 AM on July 18, 2016 [15 favorites]


Jeb Bush Blames President Obama For Donald Trump’s Rise:
I still find a comment here and there saying Trump is a librul plant to discredit the party.
Never mind how implausible that is, but how relevant that is now? If Trump was voted out the moment he passed the point of unredeemable douchebaggery, they could claim the party is not as virulently racist as the left makes them to be. Now? HA! There were plenty of mildly racist with varying depths of misogyny and *phobia. Yet, they liked this asshole the most.

Basically there's a lot of people who would look at this satire of a right-wing political cartoon and agree wholeheartedly with it.
You know what's missing? A crying Lady Liberty. I wonder why he never thought of that.
posted by lmfsilva at 10:31 AM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


Scott Baio has never had a mask. His loud, angry, sexist asshattery has long made him a popular target for Twitter troll campaigns, most memorably this one.
posted by rorgy at 10:34 AM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


(Oh, and linked from that story is this overly thorough documentation of his descent into awful.)
posted by rorgy at 10:35 AM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


The media sure has played a role in the rise of Trump, and they've admitted it and written about it ad nauseum, and yet it's still going on.

Once Trump is coronated the candidate, I can only hope beyond hope that media makes him release those tax returns.
posted by Dashy at 10:36 AM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


But he also said no regime change in Syria, right?

You know who also has declared war on ISIS, but wants no regime change in Syria, and no arms sent to fight the invasion of Ukraine? That guy in the Kremlin.

Is Donald Trump a Russian double agent? I mean, just look at his body language. Suspicious. And his wife? Born in a socialist country. I think we need to look into this closer.
posted by dis_integration at 10:36 AM on July 18, 2016 [20 favorites]


Scott Baio has never had a mask

I wonder what it's like to be the least notable light in the Jon Voight-Kelsey Grammer right wing train wreck supercluster.
posted by The Whelk at 10:40 AM on July 18, 2016 [15 favorites]


I wonder if trump is just pissed that the 2010 and 2012 republican leadership treated him like garbage, so he's after the entire party to get them back so he can then come after all the democrat leaders that humiliated at the Correspondence Dinner.

I wonder if the media just started being kind to him if he'd get bored and go away.
posted by Annika Cicada at 10:40 AM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


But he also said no regime change in Syria, right?

Yeah. He also aggressively criticized the Iran deal. I don't think he honestly opposes warmongering policy.
posted by Rustic Etruscan at 10:41 AM on July 18, 2016


I mean, I might watch the Antonio Sabato Jr. speech. If he gets naked, that is.
posted by dnash at 10:41 AM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


The media seems pretty kind to Donald Trump honestly.
posted by zutalors! at 10:42 AM on July 18, 2016 [22 favorites]


Anyone who doesn't end a conversation with Donald Trump with peals of laughter and repeated "No, really..." is being pretty kind to him.
posted by Etrigan at 10:46 AM on July 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


The chickens have come home to roost
posted by Postroad at 10:47 AM on July 18, 2016


I believe Mefi user bowtiesarecool is also st the RNC (along with cirb). Anyone else?
posted by Joey Michaels at 10:49 AM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


Got a check-in text from Corb. She expects "lots of booing" during the convention.

Priebus declared a contested voice vote as going for the "ayes" but didn't even count the "nays." The committees are meeting right now. The plan is to vote down the rules, and then vote conscience. Nothing is settled yet.

(Also posted this in the other current election thread but I think that one's winding down and this one seems more appropriate, since it's convention-related.)
posted by cooker girl at 10:51 AM on July 18, 2016 [24 favorites]


Breaking news:

REPUBLICAN NATIONAL CONVENTION
is an anagram for
CON VULNERABLE NATION INTO PANIC
posted by Faint of Butt at 10:54 AM on July 18, 2016 [232 favorites]


"lots of booing"

Uh, no, they're saying "Tru-ump, Tru-ump."
posted by tonycpsu at 10:54 AM on July 18, 2016 [12 favorites]


I started out by explaining the biggest threat I could think of -the Bernie-or-bust crowd - and described them as being "passionate y fou" (passionate and crazy). But as I went on talking about the rest of the election, "passionate y fou" just fit so many other places too.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 1:04 PM on July 18 [2 favorites +] [!]


EC, in a moment of dyslexia I read that as "passionate f you". Which is less elegant, but still works nearly as well.
posted by McCoy Pauley at 10:55 AM on July 18, 2016 [20 favorites]


I wonder how many extra servers Netflix is bringing online this week?

I mean, I have no intention of watching a single second of the Cleveland Clusterfuck if I can help it. So, movie rentals sounds like a definite thing this week.
posted by Thorzdad at 10:55 AM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


Fun fact I learned while writing my next piece (a roundup of weirdo/noteworthy video clips from conventions past): Reince Preibus still owns the infamous Clint Eastwood "conversation" chair and apparently keeps it in his office.
posted by mynameisluka at 10:55 AM on July 18, 2016 [15 favorites]


Not only could he kill and eat a baby, the National Right to Life Committee would sponsor it, especially if it was a girl baby who would probably just grow up to abort some other, more deserving baby.
posted by emjaybee at 10:57 AM on July 18, 2016 [20 favorites]


Watching Pence have to grin and accept not only the rambling shit Trump usually spews but also his role as cowardly lap dog during the 60 minutes interview was, in its own way, a beautiful thing. The Republican Party has been full of the worst this country has to offer for some time, and as awful and horrifying and humiliating it is to see Trump speaking regularly on such a large national/international stage, it's nice to see many prominent members of the party exposed as the opportunistic morally bankrupt cowards they really are.
posted by AtoBtoA at 10:58 AM on July 18, 2016 [9 favorites]


Watching Pence have to grin and accept not only the rambling shit Trump usually spews but also his role as cowardly lap dog during the 60 minutes interview was, in its own way, a beautiful thing.

As a lifelong Hoosier it was intensely gratifying.
posted by Pope Guilty at 10:59 AM on July 18, 2016 [15 favorites]


Caught some early introductory stuff from the convention (twitch stream for the masochists). Lots of "Cleveland is great, welcome to Cleveland" boostery type stuff, yadda yadda.

Cut to house band, who perform some filler songs:

- Cleveland Rocks (specifically just that line sung sweatily again and again and again)
- Eminence Front ("come and join the party, come and join the party, come and...")
- The House is Rockin' (lotta crowd shots of folks boogying in cowboy hats at this point)
posted by cortex at 11:00 AM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


I'm thinking specifically of this tweet.

The masks are all coming off.

Recall that Citizens United (of the famous Supreme Court case) was an organization originally called "Citizens United Not Timid" which was created for the specific purpose of making a hatchet-job "documentary" about... Hillary Clinton. Plus ça change.
posted by Joey Buttafoucault at 11:01 AM on July 18, 2016 [19 favorites]


What, no Mike Polk covers?
posted by pxe2000 at 11:01 AM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


I'm in Paris now (and unfortunately come home Wednesday night). I was talking with someone here who asked me, "okay, seriously, what are Trump's chances REALLY?"

I started out by explaining the biggest threat I could think of -the Bernie-or-bust crowd - and described them as being "passionate y fou" (passionate and crazy). But as I went on talking about the rest of the election, "passionate y fou" just fit so many other places too.


passionés et fous
posted by Rustic Etruscan at 11:01 AM on July 18, 2016 [14 favorites]


REPUBLICAN NATIONAL CONVENTION
is an anagram for
CON VULNERABLE NATION INTO PANIC


I just checked the math and, yes, yes it is

Faint of Butt, this is incredible
This is "Alec Guinness / Genuine Class" level
How did you do that
You are amazing and I think you should be president
posted by saturday_morning at 11:03 AM on July 18, 2016 [69 favorites]


And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Cleveland to be born?
posted by jim in austin at 11:03 AM on July 18, 2016 [16 favorites]




- Eminence Front ("come and join the party, come and join the party, come and...")

that is Born in the USA-grade "this one line is appropriate just don't listen to any of the other lyrics" campaign music there
posted by prize bull octorok at 11:06 AM on July 18, 2016 [22 favorites]


I mean, I have no intention of watching a single second of the Cleveland Clusterfuck if I can help it. So, movie rentals sounds like a definite thing this week.

You'd have to go out of your way to find it (or the DNC for that matter). AFAICT the only non-news network it will appear on, free or cable, is PBS. Otherwise it's business as usual; all the Chopped American Ninja Naked And Afraid Hunters you can eat.
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 11:06 AM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


Boy, its a shame Trump has so alienated the GOP that we can't get a vintage John Ashcroft performance of "Let the Eagle Soar".
posted by lkc at 11:06 AM on July 18, 2016 [8 favorites]


You are amazing and I think you should be president

If Google is to be believed, it also appears to be original work, so... yes, this wins all the internets. Too bad MeFi lacks a "deep link to a single comment" feature for easy sharing.
posted by tonycpsu at 11:09 AM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


@ mynameisluka > Reince Preibus still owns the infamous Clint Eastwood "conversation" chair and apparently keeps it in his office.

If only that chair could talk...
posted by mosk at 11:10 AM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


> Too bad MeFi lacks a "deep link to a single comment" feature for easy sharing.

Agreed. Get on that, mods!
posted by rorgy at 11:11 AM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


AFAICT the only non-news network it will appear on, free or cable, is PBS.

Its streaming on c-span.org. I was considering making an RNC bingo card, but all the squares would just be mean or depressing.
posted by lkc at 11:11 AM on July 18, 2016


Too bad MeFi lacks a "deep link to a single comment" feature for easy sharing.

Flag it as fantastic.
posted by Artw at 11:11 AM on July 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


Too bad MeFi lacks a "deep link to a single comment" feature for easy sharing.

Wait, can't you just do this?
posted by saturday_morning at 11:12 AM on July 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


tonycpsu, you can link to a particular comment by right-clicking on the time it was posted and copying the link from there.
posted by stolyarova at 11:12 AM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


RNC drinking game: if you see a person of color, drink!
Warning: may not result in consumption of alcohol.
posted by kirkaracha at 11:13 AM on July 18, 2016 [9 favorites]


I know about comment permalinks, but they don't link to a single comment, they link to an entire thread anchored to a single comment. That's... not ideal for sharing.
posted by tonycpsu at 11:14 AM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


True.
posted by saturday_morning at 11:14 AM on July 18, 2016


> that is Born in the USA-grade "this one line is appropriate just don't listen to any of the other lyrics" campaign music there

Damn, you're not kidding:

The drinks flow
People forget
That big wheel spins, the hair thins
People forget
Forget they're hiding
The news slows
People forget
The shares crash, hopes are dashed
People forget
Forget they're hiding.

VOTE GOP
posted by The Card Cheat at 11:14 AM on July 18, 2016 [29 favorites]


Recall that Citizens United (of the famous Supreme Court case) was an organization originally called "Citizens United Not Timid" which was created for the specific purpose of making a hatchet-job "documentary" about... Hillary Clinton. Plus ça change.
Are you sure? Wikipedia puts the obscene-one as founded in 2008 and the one from the Supreme Court decision as founded in 1988. I could easily be misinterpreting this but I think they just have similar names.
posted by Skorgu at 11:15 AM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


IT'S A PUT ON, IT'S A PUT ON, IT'S A PUT ON
posted by prize bull octorok at 11:16 AM on July 18, 2016 [13 favorites]


I can't take credit for the anagram. It might be a Zach Sherwin original.

(I couldn't believe it either at first, and had to confirm before I posted here.)
posted by Faint of Butt at 11:17 AM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


Oh, right, Google doesn't index The Facebook.
posted by tonycpsu at 11:18 AM on July 18, 2016


According to those wiki pages, the Citizens United court case revolved around *another* anti-Hillary documentary: "The case revolved around the documentary Hillary: The Movie, which was produced by Citizens United." So, kind of an easy thing to confuse really.
posted by R343L at 11:18 AM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


...Come on join the party, DRESSED TO KILLLLLLLLLLL
posted by Windopaene at 11:18 AM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


The writing on 2016 is so lazy and bad. I'm basically just hate-watching at this point.
posted by Spathe Cadet at 11:25 AM on July 18, 2016 [45 favorites]


I have been trying to find webcams / live streams of downtown Cleveland so we can see if anything interesting or troubling is happening near the convention. Unfortunately this is the best I could find, which is only good for answering the question "is Cleveland on fire?"

And if it is on fire, we won't even know if it's downtown or just the river!
posted by Tehhund at 11:26 AM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Are you sure? Wikipedia puts the obscene-one as founded in 2008 and the one from the Supreme Court decision as founded in 1988. I could easily be misinterpreting this but I think they just have similar names.

You... could be right. I thought it was a case of related entities creating shell corporations. But if the Roger Stone one is specifically of a different origin just kind of latching onto an existing oppo group's name, then I apologize for the misinformation.
posted by Joey Buttafoucault at 11:27 AM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


“The Millennial Revolt Against Neoliberalism,” Jake Johnson, Common Dreams, 18 July 2016
posted by ob1quixote at 11:31 AM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]




4 speakers so far. All women, Jewish, Asian, Latin, and now a Young ("millennial") chair. Each of the first three speakers mentioned their ethnicity in the first sentence.

Pretty ham-fisted, but they seem to be trying.

When does Charles in Charge speak?
posted by lkc at 11:32 AM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


The writing on 2016 is so lazy and bad. I'm basically just hate-watching at this point.

I think it's a situation where they got told the show was ending soon so they had to use every planned storyline at once
posted by The Whelk at 11:33 AM on July 18, 2016 [39 favorites]


"These aren't just conservative values, they're Millennial values!"

Ok. Now its back to white guys in suits.
posted by lkc at 11:33 AM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Other anagrams:
Run on plantation? Inconceivable!
Uncooperative cannonball innit?
Uncanonical penetrant oblivion
No anon anticipative unborn cell
A an inconvenient politburo clan
Clap on a connubial intervention
Unclean invitational bronco pen
posted by kirkaracha at 11:34 AM on July 18, 2016 [11 favorites]


Pure fluff update, but the whole Texas delegation is in cowboy hats and Texas flag shirts, and it's kind of charming. Also, the amount of official GOP merchandise featuring Clinton surprised me. It's reasonably civil inside the Q, but when I left to head to my car, the outside was a zoo. Nothing violent-seeming so far, but a lot of looky-loos (I'm guessing a lot of people took their day off work to come see the freak show).

Corb is here to give you all actual information. I'm just color commentary from the cheap seats. Time to dive back into the crowds outside the perimeter to find my boss...
posted by bowtiesarecool at 11:36 AM on July 18, 2016 [26 favorites]


AFAICT the only non-news network it will appear on, free or cable, is PBS.

According to listings, CBS/NBC/ABC are all giving it an hour a day at 10pm Eastern.
posted by dnash at 11:36 AM on July 18, 2016


There was apparently a Women Vote Trump event. Please see the OVERWHELMING TURNOUT.
posted by winna at 11:36 AM on July 18, 2016 [15 favorites]


I hope none of you had any lingering good feelings about Scott Baio.

Also, consider for a moment that he felt it necessary to qualify "young" with "legal age" in this tweet.
posted by We had a deal, Kyle at 11:38 AM on July 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


MSNBC reporting on some sort of issue where the secretary may be "hiding" from the neverTrump petition people.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 11:39 AM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Eminence Front update! Some folks on one of the Reddit RNC megathreads are suggesting that G.E. Smith might have picked that one as an intentional jab, seeing as he performs at the RNC for the money, not because he's a Baioesque true believer.
posted by prize bull octorok at 11:39 AM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


There was apparently a Women Vote Trump event. Please see the OVERWHELMING TURNOUT.

I wonder if the sign flips around to say "Woman Votes Trump." You know, just in case.
posted by tonycpsu at 11:42 AM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]




I really hope Scott Baio does decide to enter politics, because I want Charles in charge of me.
posted by dr_dank at 11:46 AM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


Pure fluff update, but the whole Texas delegation is in cowboy hats and Texas flag shirts, and it's kind of charming.

This is actually required by Texas law.

/only sort of kidding.

but seriously, I would bet the Texas Dem delegation will look much the same.
posted by emjaybee at 11:46 AM on July 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


Mick Cornett is a uniform pinkish-beige. He looks like the faded interior of an 80's dodge. His suit should be made of wood paneling.
posted by lkc at 11:48 AM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


If you're like me and have no idea who this Scott Baio person is or why you should care, this is timely and helpful:
Who is Scott Baio and why do baby boomers care that he's speaking for Trump?
posted by monospace at 11:50 AM on July 18, 2016 [14 favorites]


Thanks for chiming in, bowtiesarecool. Looking forward to more updates from the cheap seats.
posted by defenestration at 11:52 AM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Who is Scott Baio and why do baby boomers care that he's speaking for Trump?

"Look, this is not the first time I’ve been brought in to replace Barry Zuckerkorn. I think I can do for you everything he did. Plus, I skew younger."
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 11:55 AM on July 18, 2016 [19 favorites]


If you're like me and have no idea who this Scott Baio person is or why you should care, this is timely and helpful:

People care because he's long been considered a punch line and that's apparently the best they could do. I have a hard time thinking of a funnier or more pathetic representative.
posted by bongo_x at 11:56 AM on July 18, 2016 [9 favorites]


Bob Loblaw is ruined for me.
posted by Going To Maine at 11:57 AM on July 18, 2016 [15 favorites]


Who is Scott Baio and why do baby boomers care that he's speaking for Trump?

Oh my god, Bugsy Malone. I forgot that movie existed... had no idea that it was Jodie Foster (and apparently, Baio). But man, watching that trailer did everything, including the songs, come flooding back.
posted by Roommate at 11:57 AM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


Next music break:

- Rush, "Limelight" (guy managed to make "alienation" sound weirdly like "aryan nation", enough that my wife and I both did a double take)
posted by cortex at 11:57 AM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


ngl that was a pretty good rush impression
posted by R.F.Simpson at 12:00 PM on July 18, 2016


David Warsh, The Downside of Outrageous
If there is one man beside Trump himself whose spirit will inhabit the hall in Cleveland, at least metaphorically, it is Robert L. Bartley – not because Bartley himself approved of Trump – who knows if he did? – but because, as editor of the editorial page of The Wall Street Journal, Bartley spearheaded the creation of the say-anything, stop-at-nothing rules that ultimately led to Trump’s success in gaining the Republican Party’s nomination.

Bartley died in 2003. After taking over the editorial page in 1972, he became the most influential administrator of the rules of American public debate in the last third of the twentieth century. In that position, Bartley began the populist revolt that has since found its apotheosis in Trump.
posted by the man of twists and turns at 12:01 PM on July 18, 2016


Oh my god, Bugsy Malone. I forgot that movie existed...

It's not Paul Williams' best work, but the songs are catchy. I was in a summer camp stage adaptation about a quarter-century ago.
posted by Faint of Butt at 12:02 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Now I want to derail this with a question about what you think Paul Williams' best work is.

Phantom of the Paradise or GTFO
posted by pxe2000 at 12:09 PM on July 18, 2016 [9 favorites]


Oh my god, Bugsy Malone. I forgot that movie existed...

That came out when I was a little kid. I remembered it existed, but forgot that it was a musical. And who it starred. But damn if I haven't wanted one of those pie-goop-shooting Tommyguns all my life.
posted by scaryblackdeath at 12:09 PM on July 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


Here's a fun thing to ponder (that I just found myself wondering) during the next few days: Who would make an effective stand-in for Trump during Clinton's mock debates in prep for the actual debates?
posted by dry white toast at 12:10 PM on July 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


Now I want to derail this with a question about what you think Paul Williams' best work is.

I'm admittedly torn between Phantom of the Paradise and The Muppet Movie.
posted by Faint of Butt at 12:11 PM on July 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


Oooh, relevant because general Republican-leaning politics: It looks like Roger Ailes is out as CEO of FOX News.
posted by scaryblackdeath at 12:11 PM on July 18, 2016 [18 favorites]


Darrell Hammond?
posted by AJaffe at 12:11 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Who would make an effective stand-in for Trump during Clinton's mock debates in prep for the actual debates?

An airhorn that goes off at random intervals.
posted by Faint of Butt at 12:11 PM on July 18, 2016 [67 favorites]


TPM, What Are the Polls Saying?:
...looking at all the numbers together, the trend estimate does not show Trump ever able to draw even or move into the lead. We've seen enough data at this point that this is not random and appears to be a highly persistent characteristic of the race. It tells me a simple fact: Clinton's coalition is simply larger than Trump's. That's close to saying more people are supporting her than Trump (obvious), but not exactly. What I'm saying is that the communities and demographic subgroupings that Clinton is able to appeal to are larger than Trump's. So even when she's having a bad run and he's having a good one, she always remains, though sometimes only slightly, on top.

Another way of looking at this is that for all the narrative about a close race Trump seems to have a very hard time getting much over 40% in the polls. Clinton gets down there with him sometimes too. But she also gets into the high 40s frequently. There seem to be technical markers keeping Trump from getting much over 40% and another preventing his trend line from ever moving ahead of Clinton's.
posted by kirkaracha at 12:12 PM on July 18, 2016 [11 favorites]


Who would make an effective stand-in for Trump during Clinton's mock debates in prep for the actual debates?

A slinky going down an escalator?
posted by lkc at 12:12 PM on July 18, 2016 [11 favorites]


Now play YYZ!
posted by TheWhiteSkull at 12:12 PM on July 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


Amd who for Clinton during Trump's mocks? (assuming he does any, and assuming he even agrees to do the debates.)
posted by Devonian at 12:13 PM on July 18, 2016


Here's a fun thing to ponder (that I just found myself wondering) during the next few days: Who would make an effective stand-in for Trump during Clinton's mock debates in prep for the actual debates?

Honestly: Bill.
posted by saturday_morning at 12:13 PM on July 18, 2016 [29 favorites]


Who would make an effective stand-in for Trump during Clinton's mock debates in prep for the actual debates?

Chelsea just had a second kid, right? Maybe the first would like to spend some time with grandma?
posted by Spathe Cadet at 12:14 PM on July 18, 2016 [11 favorites]


First of all, it's Y-Y-Zed, and secondly, I can't... it's impossible.
posted by Navelgazer at 12:14 PM on July 18, 2016 [17 favorites]


Darrell Hammond.
posted by Dashy at 12:16 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


Oooh Pat Roberts is now saying that the Democrats invented identity-politics to divide the nation.
posted by lkc at 12:16 PM on July 18, 2016


"A guy with a vote for Jesus cross just kicked the man dog " a 100% truthful statement from outside the RNC
posted by The Whelk at 12:17 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


Strike that. Phil Hartman for the win.
posted by Dashy at 12:17 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


The Trump campaign worked behind the scenes last week to make sure the new Republican platform won’t call for giving weapons to Ukraine to fight Russian and rebel forces,

Trump as Putin's sleeper-cell "Manchurian candidate"?
posted by aught at 12:18 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


Hartman might not be available.
posted by saturday_morning at 12:19 PM on July 18, 2016 [10 favorites]




corb update:

"They are pulling every POC they can get to endorse Trump. Which is mostly people from state legislatures. Also starting with a lot of speakers -- I think they're trying to pull support away and make people feel in charity with them before the floor flight."
posted by cooker girl at 12:19 PM on July 18, 2016 [13 favorites]


Trump is undead, anyway.
posted by Dashy at 12:20 PM on July 18, 2016


I still think Alec Baldwin would make a good debate stand in. He's can do the loud, arrogant, clueless parts well and, if you've seen videos of him yelling at paparazzi, he has the bullying physicality.
posted by peeedro at 12:20 PM on July 18, 2016 [17 favorites]


That odious button, or at least that odious slogan, has been around since at least 1992.
posted by box at 12:22 PM on July 18, 2016 [9 favorites]


Guy periscoping from the street outside the arena currently getting a rundown of some fella's parodic Dr. Seuss books, after talking to a guy giving out Beatles-themed flyers for some born-again guy who's gone to jail for 175 years.

Another young R guy inside the center is talking excitedly about some upcoming votes, and has just taken a moment to complain about the music and maybe playing something for people who aren't old. Of which:

Music update:

- Gimme Some Lovin'
- My Sharona
posted by cortex at 12:22 PM on July 18, 2016


Another:

"...the secretary hiding behind bodyguards to not have to accept the petitions for a roll call vote."
posted by cooker girl at 12:22 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


Never Trump delegates have support needed to force rules vote

There will be a floor battle. Oh boy.
posted by dw at 12:22 PM on July 18, 2016 [20 favorites]


The most odious of the misogynist buttons is available around town. Seller tells me it's very popular.

They've been around for a while.
posted by saturday_morning at 12:22 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


An excerpt from the amazing song "Make America Great Again/Political Correctness." You must hear it.

FWIW, Daniel Dale covered city hall in Toronto during the height of the Ford (Ford also once attacked him, then proceeded to libel him), so he knows from weird.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 12:23 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]




but seriously, I would bet the Texas Dem delegation will look much the same.

they really need to be walking around everywhere riding toy broomstick ponies to complete the outfit. if you're gonna cosplay as cowboys, you can't half ass it.
posted by indubitable at 12:24 PM on July 18, 2016 [11 favorites]


Republicans looking to unseat Donald Trump as their party’s presidential nominee appear to have the signatures they need to force a full vote on the national convention rules, a move intended to provide a platform for anti-Trump voices and to embarrass the billionaire.

I have some bad news.
posted by tonycpsu at 12:24 PM on July 18, 2016 [34 favorites]


BREAKING NEWS: Foghorn Leghorn names Barnyard Dawg as running mate.
posted by y2karl at 12:25 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


Thanks, cooker girl.

"They are pulling every POC they can get to endorse Trump."

Which has so far been 3 women + the "millennial" mentioned above. Is there more of this on the way?
posted by lkc at 12:26 PM on July 18, 2016


they really need to be walking around everywhere riding toy broomstick ponies to complete the outfit.

And someone behind them hitting two halves of a coconut together?
posted by AndrewInDC at 12:26 PM on July 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


On the topic of music, we can only hope somebody decides it's a great idea to play Sting & The Police's If I Ever Lose My Faith In You:
Some would say I was a lost man in a lost world
You could say I lost my faith in the people on TV
You could say I'd lost my belief in our politicians
They all seemed like game show hosts to me

posted by stolyarova at 12:26 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


if you're gonna cosplay as cowboys, you can't half ass it.

Counterpoint- assless chaps?
posted by DynamiteToast at 12:27 PM on July 18, 2016 [12 favorites]


The most odious of the misogynist buttons is available around town. Seller tells me it's very popular.

They've been around for a while.
posted by saturday_morning at 3:22 PM on July 18 [+] [!]


A lot longer than that, even. I first heard that line from my late father (sigh) during Bill's first term.

(oops, box beat me to it.)
posted by McCoy Pauley at 12:27 PM on July 18, 2016


Counterpoint- assless chaps?

Chaps are by definition assless, yes? Otherwise they'd be...leggings?
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 12:28 PM on July 18, 2016 [19 favorites]


tfw a parody of the presidential candidate goes back to when you were a freshman in high school. (and you're decidedly middle-aged.)

t(even weirder)fw both of the stars of the parody are dead. D:
posted by epersonae at 12:28 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


It's really down to one's state of pantslessness under said chaps.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 12:28 PM on July 18, 2016 [12 favorites]


But how would a dog wear assless chaps?
posted by peeedro at 12:30 PM on July 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


A lot longer than that, even. I first heard that line from my late father (sigh) during Bill's first term.

I had a feeling it was older than the Salon article said, but I didn't find a cite during my brief Google. Sigh.

FWIW, Daniel Dale covered city hall in Toronto during the height of the Ford (Ford also once attacked him, then proceeded to libel him), so he knows from weird.

Poor, poor Daniel Dale. Demagogue Bait is the worst superpower.
posted by saturday_morning at 12:30 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


(Uncredited) at The Daily Beast: “Omarosa Named Trump’s Director of African-American Outreach”
posted by Going To Maine at 12:33 PM on July 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


Station to Station? Fuck me.

Wife continues to periscope surf. Cernovitch outside somewhere getting in a "fuck you" "no fuck you" shouting match across a line of police with some anti-Trump protestors.
posted by cortex at 12:33 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


My wife just asked if they did the cocaine line in the current Bowie song. Anyone catch that?
posted by lkc at 12:34 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Call the roller of big cigars,
The muscular one, honestly,
you’ve got to see this guy,
and only the biggest cigars, it’s incredible.
Let the wenches dawdle in such dress
As they are used to wear, and let the boys
Bring flowers in last month’s newspapers,
I don’t read them, nobody reads them,
they’re very unpopular.
Let be be finale of seem.
The only emperor is the emperor of ice-cream, he’s the best.

posted by rewil at 12:35 PM on July 18, 2016 [12 favorites]


Cernovitch outside somewhere getting in a "fuck you" "no fuck you" shouting match across a line of police with some anti-Trump protestors.

I liked this sentence better when I read that first word as "Cenobite."
posted by Bookhouse at 12:35 PM on July 18, 2016 [14 favorites]


My wife just asked if they did the cocaine line in the current Bowie song. Anyone catch that?

They absolutely did, yes
posted by theodolite at 12:36 PM on July 18, 2016 [9 favorites]


Also starting with a lot of speakers -- I think they're trying to pull support away and make people feel in charity with them before the floor flight.

maybe they had Temple Grandin design their convention schedule
posted by indubitable at 12:37 PM on July 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


corb:

"They are pulling delegates off the floor to whip them to remove their names from the petition."

I'm gonna go ahead and assume she doesn't mean *actual* whipping.
posted by cooker girl at 12:37 PM on July 18, 2016 [24 favorites]


Awesome.
posted by lkc at 12:37 PM on July 18, 2016


corb:

"They know we have the numbers. People are trying to hold strong, and we got some extra signatures, but it's a lot of pressure."
posted by cooker girl at 12:39 PM on July 18, 2016 [32 favorites]


I'm gonna go ahead and assume she doesn't mean *actual* whipping.


Assume nothing.
posted by TheWhiteSkull at 12:41 PM on July 18, 2016 [25 favorites]


Despite the feeble NeverTrump effort, Trump found a home for his vileness within the Republican Party. In fact, Trump's ascent was made possible by the GOP he has taken over. For years, Republican leaders and elected officials have suggested that Obama was essentially destroying the nation. (Obamacare was death panels, his stimulus produced no new jobs, and he was—take your pick—either a tyrannical, power-grabbing chief executive or a feckless leader doing nothing to stop the nation's enemies.) GOPers trafficked in hyperbole to win the votes of tea partiers. They played footsie with birtherism and did not challenge the racism and conspiracy theories infecting large swaths of the right. When Mitt Romney ran for president in 2012, he enthusiastically accepted Trump's endorsement, at a time when Trump was going full-birther. House GOPers were Benghazi maniacs, fueling the darkest notions on the right. On key issues, most notably climate change, Republicans delivered the message that facts and expert opinions don't matter. They legitimized brinkmanship with government shutdowns and debt-ceiling fights.

They teed up the golf ball for Trump. It's not a long distance from a congressman at the State of the Union address shouting, "You lie" at a president to a presidential candidate declaring his opponent ought to be in prison.
Donald Trump and the Politics of Being an Asshole
posted by y2karl at 12:42 PM on July 18, 2016 [18 favorites]


It's really down to one's state of pantslessness under said chaps.

also people wearing chaps without pants are by definition full assin' it, so i stand by my comment
posted by indubitable at 12:44 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


Cernovitch outside somewhere getting in a "fuck you" "no fuck you" shouting match across a line of police with some anti-Trump protestors.

I liked this sentence better when I read that first word as "Cenobite."


or perhaps Czernobog, if he had his giant hammer.
posted by Existential Dread at 12:44 PM on July 18, 2016 [8 favorites]


Non-encrypted, non-tactical police communications outside the convention can be heard at the Cleveland Republican Convention Special Event / Interop - GCRCN feed.
posted by octobersurprise at 12:44 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


corb:

"They're trying to give these to delegates."

picture of a piece of paper that basically boils down to a petition to withdraw from the state certificate filed with the RNC

So, they want the dissenters to dissent from their dissent.
posted by cooker girl at 12:44 PM on July 18, 2016 [12 favorites]


It was like heating the water underneath a tropical storm -- suddenly it was a hurricane.
...
Anyone confused by the rise of Trump hasn't been paying attention. He's not an aberration. He's the storm that had to come.


My only beef with this metaphor is that I think Trump -- a deranged, barely-together pinball that somehow got lucky enough to bounce into the hole marked "2016: RISE OF AMERICAN FASCISM" -- is himself the tropical storm. The real hurricane is still on its way, when a smarter, cannier, less-clownish politician builds on the authoritarianism that Trump's campaign has only begun to foment. If Hillary wins 2016, the 2020 republican populist candidate is going to be the kind of nightmare that makes this year look like a quaint little vaudeville act in comparison.
posted by Greg Nog at 12:46 PM on July 18, 2016 [42 favorites]


via Twitter:

Tim Stanley ‏@timothy_stanley 22m22 minutes ago
Tim Stanley Retweeted Stop Trump PAC
To force a floor battle they need signatures from seven states. They have nine. #RNCinCLE
Stop Trump PAC ‏@StopTrumpPAC 1h1 hour ago
Breaking: the following states are rebelling against Trump/RNC:
IA
VA
CO
UT
DC
MN
WA
WY
ME. #RNCinCLE #gopconvention
CORB???
posted by gwint at 12:46 PM on July 18, 2016 [16 favorites]


- Eminence Front ("come and join the party, come and join the party, come and...")

that is Born in the USA-grade "this one line is appropriate just don't listen to any of the other lyrics" campaign music there


Yep; I've been marveling over its use in vapid Cadillac commercials for the last year or two. This is the same thing cranked up a notch. I had a roommate in college who was a huge Who / Townsend fan, and was able to recite the lyric to my parter, who was dumbstruck at how appropriate (but unflattering to the vapid rich) they were.
posted by aught at 12:46 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


also people wearing chaps without pants are by definition full assin' it, so i stand by my comment

Touché.

Carry on.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 12:47 PM on July 18, 2016


If there is a floor fight, what day would that happen?
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 12:47 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


- How Sweet It Is (To Be Love By You)
- instrumental I didn't recognize
- Rod Stewarts "Stay With Me" which I choose to interpret as commentary on intra-party loyalty fights

AND OH SHIT HERE'S REINCE
posted by cortex at 12:47 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


In Trump’s joint appearance with the Indiana governor on “60 Minutes” on Sunday, Trump said he had picked Pence primarily for “party unity,” adding that his running mate has already helped bring the party together.

“I think it’s very close to unified,” Trump told interviewer Lesley Stahl, referring to the Republican Party coalescing around his candidacy. “I think it was much more unified than people thought. You saw that with the recent vote where we won in a landslide. You saw that with the big vote, the primary vote. I think it’s far more unified than the press lets on. But having Gov. Mike Pence has really — people that I wasn’t necessarily liking or getting along [with] are loving this pick, because they have such respect for him.”
Remember: "Foreshadowing" ... Your guide to quality literature.
posted by zarq at 12:48 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


> Republicans looking to unseat Donald Trump as their party’s presidential nominee appear to have the signatures they need to force a full vote on the national convention rules, a move intended to provide a platform for anti-Trump voices and to embarrass the billionaire.

I have some bad news.


There's probably no way to embarrass Trump, but if this happens it would anger him, and we all know how that brings out the best in him.
posted by The Card Cheat at 12:48 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


cortex; what are you watching?
posted by odinsdream at 12:48 PM on July 18, 2016


everybody project your spirit energy into the Quicken Loans Arena to give your strength to corb and the nevertrumpers, just like after the party wipes to Zeromus in FFIV
posted by prize bull octorok at 12:49 PM on July 18, 2016 [16 favorites]


corb:

"It's such bullshit. Once presented the petitions should be accepted."
posted by cooker girl at 12:49 PM on July 18, 2016 [12 favorites]


The real hurricane is still on its way, when a smarter, cannier, less-clownish politician builds on the authoritarianism that Trump's campaign has only begun to foment.

I sort of feel that this is inevitable, ultimately, but "sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof" is what I tell myself.
posted by octobersurprise at 12:50 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


cortex; what are you watching?

twitch stream of the convention
posted by cortex at 12:50 PM on July 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


Damn, Rod Stewart is some seriously uninspiring entrance music, like Homer's "Why Can't We Be Friends" fight with Drederick Tatum
posted by Existential Dread at 12:50 PM on July 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


C-Span link.
posted by lkc at 12:51 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


In other periscope news, my wife has found some guy who is streaming himself peeling 600 bananas. Probably a better viewing choice.
posted by cortex at 12:51 PM on July 18, 2016 [49 favorites]


twitch stream of the convention

twitch plays political party.
posted by Going To Maine at 12:52 PM on July 18, 2016 [9 favorites]


Is there any coverage to what's happening outside? Or is that in the hands of the Twitterati?
posted by lkc at 12:52 PM on July 18, 2016


kappa
posted by prize bull octorok at 12:52 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


Wait, so the hired muscle to block petitions from being deposited is real?
posted by Slackermagee at 12:53 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


Priebus just thanked himself by accident
posted by theodolite at 12:53 PM on July 18, 2016 [16 favorites]


Well the chairman just kept reading the teleprompter even though it switched to someone else's line and thanked himself, so that was amusing.
posted by zachlipton at 12:53 PM on July 18, 2016


Reince Priebus just introduced the next speaker, Mary Buestrin, and then accidentally read her "thank you Mr. Chairman" line too before he realized what he was doing. You get the feeling he might be low on sleep.
posted by cortex at 12:54 PM on July 18, 2016 [14 favorites]


Wait, so I know banana fruits are banned inside the convention zone, but do the rules address banana peels? Because I’ve got a doozy of an idea…
posted by nicepersonality at 12:54 PM on July 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


I'm Ron Jeremy?
posted by odinsdream at 12:54 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


Slackermagee, apparently so, says corb.
posted by cooker girl at 12:54 PM on July 18, 2016




You get the feeling he might be low on sleep.

Or a malfunctioning robot. Probably the same defective lot that produced Gove.
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 12:55 PM on July 18, 2016


Is it just me, or does Reince Priebus remind you of Rowan Atkinson's Mr. Bean?
posted by SPrintF at 12:56 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


twitch stream of the convention

biblethump
posted by the painkiller at 12:56 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Here's hoping that through subterfuge and maybe some sort of unwitting gopher/aide they can get the papers in the hands of those that don't want to be seen with them.
posted by Slackermagee at 12:56 PM on July 18, 2016


Is that GE Smith?
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 12:58 PM on July 18, 2016


Is it just me, or does Reince Priebus remind you of Rowan Atkinson's Mr. Bean?

too soon
posted by Bookhouse at 12:58 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


Hiring muscle to prevent democratic process is not a new thing.

It comes with a long pedigree.
posted by Devonian at 12:59 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


Is that GE Smith?
It is, and the musical direction has been ... interesting, if not a bit subversive.
posted by lkc at 1:00 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Is that GE Smith?

Yeah, apparently. Somebody upthread said he does it for the money. Which still doesn't absolve him in my book. He's been on SNL for 78 years, I don't imagine he's hurting so badly he has to pick up these gigs on the side.
posted by cashman at 1:00 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


corb:

"There were 11 :/ they must have gotten to AK & ND. Doesn't bode well. We are back on music break. I wonder what the official explanation for this hour long delay will be?"

(she was responding to me telling her about the 9 states' signatures for a floor battle.)
posted by cooker girl at 1:02 PM on July 18, 2016 [12 favorites]


During the VP announcement Mike Pence called himself "a Christian, a conservative, and a Republican, in that order." How quick would the lynching start if Hillary's VP introduced themself as "a Muslim, a liberal, and a Democrat, in that order"?
Also, "a Christian, a conservative, and a Republican walk into a bar..."
posted by kirkaracha at 1:02 PM on July 18, 2016 [10 favorites]


Text corb that MSNBC is definitely covering their fight.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 1:04 PM on July 18, 2016 [8 favorites]


Can someone explain what it would mean if there's a floor battle? I'm so confused about all the rules and procedures. It would be a vote on the rules for the committee, right? So if there's a floor battle and the rules are rejected, then what happens next?
posted by meese at 1:04 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


I walked down the aisle to "You Shook Me All Night Long." How. Dare. They.
posted by The corpse in the library at 1:04 PM on July 18, 2016 [16 favorites]


"a Christian, a conservative, and a Republican,"

I think he's got the Holy Trinity wrong. Or maybe I have it wrong.
posted by nubs at 1:04 PM on July 18, 2016


...looking at all the numbers together, the trend estimate does not show Trump ever able to draw even or move into the lead. We've seen enough data at this point that this is not random and appears to be a highly persistent characteristic of the race.

Serious question...Are any of the pollsters taking into account whatever (if any) effects the voter disenfranchisement efforts in many states might have on these numbers? Is there even a way to accurately estimate it?
posted by Thorzdad at 1:05 PM on July 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


Yeah, apparently. Somebody upthread said he does it for the money. Which still doesn't absolve him in my book. He's been on SNL for 78 years, I don't imagine he's hurting so badly he has to pick up these gigs on the side.

Huh. I did not know this about him:

Smith was born January 27, 1952 in Scranton, Pennsylvania as George Edward Haddad, a Lebanese American whose last name means blacksmith in Arabic.

Uh oh.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 1:05 PM on July 18, 2016 [10 favorites]


Can they snag the MSNBC camera crew on their next attempt to hand in?

(Can't watch, Im imagining that they need to walk it somewhere).
posted by Slackermagee at 1:05 PM on July 18, 2016


MSNBC is standing next to Colorado.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 1:06 PM on July 18, 2016


Can someone explain what it would mean if there's a floor battle? I'm so confused about all the rules and procedures. It would be a vote on the rules for the committee, right? So if there's a floor battle and the rules are rejected, then what happens next?

There's a battle to have the entire floor to vote on letting the delegates vote their conscience instead of being bound to their candidate. Corb and crew tried to put it through in a rule committee meeting. They failed. Now they have a petition according to the rules which would force a vote by the full delegation. This would mean Trump would have to fight for and could lose the nomination at the last stretch.
posted by Talez at 1:07 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


Who gets to choose floor battle weapons, challenger or challenged?
posted by emjaybee at 1:07 PM on July 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


So if there's a floor battle and the rules are rejected, then what happens next?

I'd like to think it's something like this, but I'm likely to be disappointed.
posted by nubs at 1:08 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


More music:

- Let's play that Rod Stewart song again, fellas
- You Shook Me All Night Long, a song which is presumably patriotic because the English guy singing in the Australian band mentions thighs which are, specifically, American
- Down-tempo blues shuffle take on Eight Days a Week

I want to note that as weird the context is in this case, I generally genuinely and unironically enjoy watching random crowd-going people sing along and play air guitar to music and this isn't an exception. The giant pile of waving Texas delagation cowboy hats to this weird transmogrification of the Beatles is pretty surreal, but hey.
posted by cortex at 1:09 PM on July 18, 2016 [12 favorites]


There will be a floor battle. Oh boy.

Surely "Oh joy"
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 1:09 PM on July 18, 2016


Can someone explain what it would mean if there's a floor battle?

someone lays out some uncured hides on the floor and the chosen fighters meet there in the holmgang
posted by poffin boffin at 1:09 PM on July 18, 2016 [12 favorites]


Text corb that MSNBC is definitely covering their fight.


Done.
posted by cooker girl at 1:10 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


Happening now! Rules Committee chairlady proposing adopting rules by voice vote.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 1:10 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Can they snag the MSNBC camera crew on their next attempt to hand in?

They managed to hand in the petition 2 hours ago. Rule committee report right now...
posted by ltl at 1:10 PM on July 18, 2016


"a Christian, a conservative, and a Republican,"
well, that's 3 of the 4 horsemen...
posted by oneswellfoop at 1:10 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


Man I did not pay enough attention in model UN. So is this lady pro-corb or anti-corb?
posted by DynamiteToast at 1:11 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


I think it's fairly unlikely that the floor would actually vote down the rules, but having the vote would be embarrassing because it would be an unbound vote and would allow everyone to go on the record.

Anyway this is happening now.
posted by zachlipton at 1:11 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


Is this the coup de grace for nevertrump?
posted by Devonian at 1:11 PM on July 18, 2016


My bad, I thought they were still getting body blocked.
posted by Slackermagee at 1:11 PM on July 18, 2016


Who gets to choose floor battle weapons, challenger or challenged?

Neither. It is a rap battle.
posted by indubitable at 1:11 PM on July 18, 2016 [11 favorites]




WOW. They accepted an aye vote even though it was clearly not.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 1:11 PM on July 18, 2016


corb:

"They ignored it completely. There is chanting on the floor."
posted by cooker girl at 1:12 PM on July 18, 2016 [13 favorites]


My goodness, Priebus has excellent hearing.
posted by The corpse in the library at 1:12 PM on July 18, 2016


Railroaders gonna railroad.
posted by tonycpsu at 1:12 PM on July 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


Sounded like it.
posted by Devonian at 1:12 PM on July 18, 2016


Let's play that Rod Stewart song again, fellas

I'd pay money to watch this lot get jiggy to "Young Hearts."
posted by octobersurprise at 1:13 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


POINT OF ORDER! POINT OF ORDER!
posted by The corpse in the library at 1:13 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


corb:

"Delegates are standing and chanting."
posted by cooker girl at 1:13 PM on July 18, 2016 [18 favorites]


On one hand, this is entertaining. On the other hand, the results could kill us all.
posted by The corpse in the library at 1:13 PM on July 18, 2016 [17 favorites]


That all just got very noisy and confusing, and then quiet again, and then rather loud again, though I think part of that was just sound management by whoever is running this feed. "Roll call vote! Roll call vote!"
posted by cortex at 1:13 PM on July 18, 2016


corb:

"It wasn't even supposed to be yay/nay. There was a roll call vote petition. With legit."
posted by cooker girl at 1:14 PM on July 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


Chants of "roll call vote" on the twitch stream.
posted by odinsdream at 1:14 PM on July 18, 2016


Counter chant of "U S A! U S A!"
posted by cortex at 1:14 PM on July 18, 2016


This "USA! USA! USA!" chanting is haunting.
posted by stolyarova at 1:14 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


corb:

"Trump whips trying to chant USA to drown them out. Fuckers fuckers fuckers."
posted by cooker girl at 1:14 PM on July 18, 2016 [14 favorites]


Shouted down with "USA USA USA"
posted by odinsdream at 1:14 PM on July 18, 2016


"USA! USA!"

At least they know where they are within a margin of error of 3 million or so square miles.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 1:15 PM on July 18, 2016 [14 favorites]


Farewell, #NeverTrump, we hardly knew ye.
posted by tonycpsu at 1:15 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


I think part of that was just sound management by whoever is running this feed.

Took me a minute to figure out that you meant "sound" there in the sense of "air vibrations perceived by human hearing" and not "showing good judgment."
posted by DevilsAdvocate at 1:16 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


On one hand, this is entertaining. On the other hand, the results could kill us all.

This whole election in a nutshell.
posted by emjaybee at 1:16 PM on July 18, 2016 [24 favorites]


Most bizarre music video evah.
posted by Devonian at 1:17 PM on July 18, 2016


Who's the amused guy in the pink shirt standing next to Senator Mike Lee?
posted by The corpse in the library at 1:18 PM on July 18, 2016


I was gonna say, weirdest end credits to SNL ever.
posted by cortex at 1:18 PM on July 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


Counter chant of "U S A! U S A!"

So this is how liberty dies...
posted by DevilsAdvocate at 1:18 PM on July 18, 2016 [14 favorites]


Colorado has walked out.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 1:18 PM on July 18, 2016 [13 favorites]


corb:

"Delegates still standing chanting roll call vote. Now they're playing music to drown it out FUCKERY. Some assholes brought a Trump sign to the front and waved that. Yellow hats are Whips."
posted by cooker girl at 1:18 PM on July 18, 2016 [16 favorites]


I was saying Boo-SA, Boo-SA
posted by Existential Dread at 1:18 PM on July 18, 2016 [17 favorites]


I think part of that was just sound management by whoever is running this feed.

Now they've switched to this on-hold-call music.
posted by odinsdream at 1:19 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


corb:

"It's unreal. We had everything according to the rules."

Man, she is so, so dispirited right now.
posted by cooker girl at 1:19 PM on July 18, 2016 [34 favorites]


> Who's the amused guy in the pink shirt standing next to Senator Mike Lee

Ah, he's the vice-chair of Utah's delegation.
posted by The corpse in the library at 1:19 PM on July 18, 2016


I'm not quite sure what the leadership were afraid of here. Had they had a roll call vote on the rules and won (getting the rules adopted), that would basically be the end of this for the week. Now this is going to be every vote, every speech, every day. Consensus was that they didn't really have the votes to vote down the rules anyway, but they were so worried of a recorded vote?
posted by zachlipton at 1:20 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Wow, I can't look away! What the heck? They just abandoned the stage!
posted by WordCannon at 1:20 PM on July 18, 2016


I feel sympathy for corb very strongly, but really, this is the party of disenfranchisement. This is what they do.
posted by Existential Dread at 1:20 PM on July 18, 2016 [91 favorites]


RNC forced to close convention chat after anti-Semites turn it into a Jew-bashing hatefest. Per Raw Story.
posted by Sophie1 at 1:20 PM on July 18, 2016 [8 favorites]


> Yellow hats are Whips

C-SPAN showed one of the neon yellow hats had an anti-Trump statement written on it, I believe.
posted by The corpse in the library at 1:21 PM on July 18, 2016


"It's unreal. We had everything according to the rules."

That's so sad.
posted by thelonius at 1:21 PM on July 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


corb:

"WA is doing interviews in the aisles. I just screamed at a Trump Whip."
posted by cooker girl at 1:21 PM on July 18, 2016 [16 favorites]


Gordon Humphrey calling them Brownshirts and fascists. Holy shit.
posted by Talez at 1:22 PM on July 18, 2016 [13 favorites]


You can't spell "anarchy" without R-N-C.
posted by Etrigan at 1:22 PM on July 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


Former Sen. Gordon Humphrey just called Trump supporters around him "brownshirts" (twice). When asked to clarify: "People who act like fascists. They might not be fascists, but they act like fascists...They are only too reflective of Donald Trump himself"
posted by zachlipton at 1:22 PM on July 18, 2016 [38 favorites]


I'm watching C-span and for the past 5 minutes or so Senator Mike Lee representing delegates from Utah bitching and moaning that the chair had left the stage....wait..."The Chair will put the adoption on the rules" They're doing an audio vote now.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 1:23 PM on July 18, 2016


They need to do these voice votes like Iceland in the Euros.
posted by robocop is bleeding at 1:23 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


Did they just re-do the vote?
posted by cashman at 1:23 PM on July 18, 2016


Calling who?
posted by cooker girl at 1:23 PM on July 18, 2016


Is that a MIDI gavel?
posted by The corpse in the library at 1:23 PM on July 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


Who here bet on the first violence erupting outside the convention center, and who bet on inside?
posted by Faint of Butt at 1:23 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


Did another voice vote. Those in favor shouted "aye" really loudly and then just sort of lapsed into cacophonous roar. Those against shouted "no" really loudly and then just sort of lapsed into cacophonous roar.

Ayes have it, apparently.
posted by cortex at 1:23 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


Ok, I'm totally new to this stuff - does the chair just get to decide who wins when they go off of audience volume for the vote? They sounded about as loud to me.
posted by Kikujiro's Summer at 1:24 PM on July 18, 2016


I like that this is such a mess, but at this point I think I really do want Trump as the R nominee, so he can lose and just generally in the interest of making them look as bad as possible (which they are, in my opinion).
posted by snofoam at 1:24 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Another voice vote, called for "aye" again. UT is now formally moving for a roll call vote.
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 1:24 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


corb:

"We got a motion out loud. FUCK YEAH UTAH!"
posted by cooker girl at 1:24 PM on July 18, 2016 [35 favorites]


So maybe C-span is a few minutes behind? Because now I hear the chanting for a roll call vote.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 1:24 PM on July 18, 2016


The Chair is clearly not taking this shit.
posted by odinsdream at 1:25 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Motion and seconded for a roll call vote.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 1:25 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Three states were whipped into removing their petitions. No vote.
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 1:25 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Three states withdrew. So no roll call vote.
posted by Talez at 1:25 PM on July 18, 2016


I'm supposed to be leaving work in like 8 minutes!! Gah!
posted by cooker girl at 1:25 PM on July 18, 2016


Oh wow, chairman is claiming the 11 states fell down to 8, and they needed 9 to move forward with the roll call vote.
posted by DynamiteToast at 1:25 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Womack sez that three of nine states changed their minds, so it's below the seven-state threshold.
posted by Etrigan at 1:25 PM on July 18, 2016


Is the Chair just flat out lying now?
posted by odinsdream at 1:25 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


Holy shit
posted by Slackermagee at 1:26 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


USA, USA, USA, btw. And some gavel pounding.

Fella from Utah motioning for a roll call vote on the rules. The chair is saying there's insufficient support for said vote. Also he looks super grumpy and kinda rattled, like he might just run.
posted by cortex at 1:26 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Wow, that's some bullshit. The RNC isn't even following their own rules.
posted by zug at 1:26 PM on July 18, 2016


CSPAN crawl says Iowa and Colorado delegations have walked out.
posted by Etrigan at 1:27 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


corb:

"They are saying three states withdrew. We are shouting. They're trying to ignore it and just move past."

She doesn't think it was three states. She thinks they still have nine.
posted by cooker girl at 1:27 PM on July 18, 2016 [16 favorites]


"WE WANT TRUMP"
"WE WANT TRUMP"

Why not just hold the convention in a beer hall?
posted by zombieflanders at 1:27 PM on July 18, 2016 [33 favorites]


Rules are like facts to the GOP.
posted by The Card Cheat at 1:27 PM on July 18, 2016 [15 favorites]


Every time they say "American," replace it with "German."

"WHO'S PROUD TO BE A GERMAN?!"
posted by stolyarova at 1:27 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


Extremist Groups Surround Republican ConventionRoll Call, Jul 18, 2016 9:57 AM.
posted by octobersurprise at 1:28 PM on July 18, 2016


Heard: It would be nice to know which states withdrew
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 1:28 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


corb:

"To stop the chants of roll call they just asked 'who's proud to be an American.' BURN THIS SHIT DOWN.
posted by cooker girl at 1:28 PM on July 18, 2016 [27 favorites]


Was the guy at the bottom of the stage literally trying to deliver the signatures and stopped by security?
posted by odinsdream at 1:28 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


"We believe Germany is unlike any other nation on earth. We believe that Germany is exceptional."
posted by stolyarova at 1:28 PM on July 18, 2016


"I have in my hand withdrawal letters from the heads of the delegations for East Dakota, Old Jersey, and Oklafornia."
posted by tonycpsu at 1:29 PM on July 18, 2016 [50 favorites]


Oh good, John Barrasso is talking. That's something I don't get enough of in my daily life.
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 1:30 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Rules are for true believers* only.

Only true believers may determine who true believers are.
posted by fedward at 1:30 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Barasso's speech was clearly written before this kerfuffle.
posted by The corpse in the library at 1:30 PM on July 18, 2016


Really? Barrasso has the stones to say that the people are more important than the government while ignoring calls for a roll call vote because of the rules and the committee?
posted by Etrigan at 1:30 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]




"We believe that America is as American as apple pie! And everyone is perfect. And we all love the constitution so much we would marry it if we could. And we believe that everything must stay exactly as it was for ever and ever. Amen. Oh and also that God should be in Charge, not Charles."
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 1:30 PM on July 18, 2016


Really makes one pine for the good old days, when the rallies at Nuremberg were far more organized.
posted by Thorzdad at 1:30 PM on July 18, 2016


corb:

"I am literally shaking with anger."
posted by cooker girl at 1:31 PM on July 18, 2016 [33 favorites]


Oh good, John Barrasso is talking. That's something I don't get enough of in my daily life.

Barasso:

I believe in limited government, lower taxes, less spending, traditional family values, local control and a strong national defense...

In the state Senate, in addition to receiving an 'A' rating from the NRA, I have voted for prayer in schools, against gay marriage and have sponsored legislation to protect the sanctity of life.


Come out, come out, whoever you are!
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 1:31 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


I'm gonna need a Joe-Don Baker after this.
posted by lkc at 1:31 PM on July 18, 2016


Oh and also that God should be in Charge, not Charles.

Cut to Scott Baio looking sad backstage.
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 1:31 PM on July 18, 2016 [9 favorites]


"I have in my hand withdrawal letters from the heads of the delegations for East Dakota, Old Jersey, and Oklafornia."

I had no desire to live in the kind of times that wind up taking up whole chapters in world history books.
posted by winna at 1:31 PM on July 18, 2016 [26 favorites]


Is it quiet now because of delegate walkouts? Barrasso is just reciting a canned speech now.
posted by zombieflanders at 1:32 PM on July 18, 2016


Let corb know my thoughts are with her.
posted by Sophie1 at 1:32 PM on July 18, 2016 [22 favorites]


Can anyone summarize what is going on?
posted by My Dad at 1:32 PM on July 18, 2016


This Barrasso speech is like Bizarro world.
posted by Talez at 1:33 PM on July 18, 2016


I feel like "don't read the comments" needs the addendum "don't read the RNC livestream."
posted by Foosnark at 1:33 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


> Can anyone summarize what is going on

Barasso is lulling us all to sleep with the most boring speech ever.
posted by The corpse in the library at 1:34 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Did the yellow hats walk out? What's going on?
posted by odinsdream at 1:34 PM on July 18, 2016


Let corb know my thoughts are with her.

Likewise
posted by Navelgazer at 1:34 PM on July 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


Haven't been able to follow at work but wanted to say I'm sending you good vibes corb...you are on the right side of history and I'm proud to know you!
posted by sallybrown at 1:34 PM on July 18, 2016 [8 favorites]


Can anyone summarize what is going on?

This sums it up.
posted by Justinian at 1:35 PM on July 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


Can anyone summarize what is going on?

NeverTrumpers said they had enough state delegations to force a roll call vote
Chair took a voice vote anyway, nomination went through
NeverTrumpers called for another roll call vote
Chair said that three states had either withdrawn or failed to meet a quorum
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
DEMOCRACY AT WORK
posted by zombieflanders at 1:35 PM on July 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


TL;DR: The #NeverTrump delegates had petitions from 9 states requesting a roll call vote, rather than a voice vote (7 are needed). After a Utah delegate requested the vote, the secretary claimed 3 states had withdrawn their petitions and refused the roll call vote to boos and walkouts by at least two states, while the presenters blithely continued on.
posted by zug at 1:35 PM on July 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


My Dad: The chair of the platform committee came out and gave a canned "America! Fuck yeah!" speech invoking St. Reagan, totally ignoring the calls for a roll call vote.

And now the governor of Oklahoma is congratulating the remaining delegates on coming together as one.
posted by Etrigan at 1:35 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Amazing updates from corb here, thanks cooker girl. I hope they keep causing a ruckus but stay safe.

I'm not at all surprised by the chair's shenanigans though.
posted by knapah at 1:35 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


"Liberals have ruined everything. Farms. Energy. Jobs. Medical Care. They have destroyed everything. But this reminds me of the good old days when we got to elect St. Reagan. Remember him? Gosh he was great. Let us pretend that he is here right now and we are voting for him. Let us prey to God to Make America Great Again. Let us now Make a New Beginning.

And now welcome Governor Mary Falin who has a uterus and everything. Maybe even has Fallopian tubes or some of that other weird stuff that women have!
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 1:35 PM on July 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


well, I certainly hope nothing bad happens to corb, but doesn't she support Cruz?
posted by AFABulous at 1:35 PM on July 18, 2016 [16 favorites]


Can anyone summarize what is going on?

Delegates are trying a Hail Mary thinking they have the delegates for anyone but Trump. However to do this they need to unbind the delegates from their candidates. They tried last night to have the Rules Committee adopt it without success. They had a petition (which they required a majority of delegates in 7 states, they had 9) to have the change to unbind the delegates to a roll call vote which may have had the delegate support.

They did a voice vote which the chair immediately said that they wouldn't unbind. The delegates demanded the roll call vote that was petitioned and the chair walked offstage. The chair came back, 3 states had dropped from the petition and he declared the request for a roll call vote null and let the voice vote stand. Therefore the delegates are still bound.
posted by Talez at 1:36 PM on July 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


Can anyone summarize what is going on?

The NeverTrumpers tried to force a floor vote on whether to accept the rule requiring delegates to vote the way their states did -- the only way to sever the party from Trump. Such a motion requires the backing of at least seven states' delegations. They originally had 11, which the party bosses managed to cut back to nine. Then, after Utah formally moved for a roll-call vote on the issue, they announced that three more states had withdrawn, so there was no need for a vote because six delegations isn't enough to force the issue.

That renders the whole question dead, and they moved on to the next order of business, accepting the party platform. That was accompanied by Barrasso's ridiculous stump speech comparing Trump to Reagan, and now Mary Fallin is saying words that I refuse to listen to because I still have some dignity, dammit.
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 1:36 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


I feel like "don't read the comments" needs the addendum "don't read the RNC livestream."

I gather the RNC feels the same way.
posted by thomas j wise at 1:37 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


There's a lot of daylight between "anti-Trump" and "on the right side of history."
posted by The corpse in the library at 1:37 PM on July 18, 2016 [42 favorites]


Do state delegations actually walk out? Is that a thing that, like, ever happens?
posted by Pope Guilty at 1:37 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


well, I certainly hope nothing bad happens to corb, but doesn't she support Cruz?

She was one of the GOP'ers who moved late to a "whatever it takes to block Trump" position. She's said frequently that she doesn't actually like Cruz much, but by the time action was clearly needed he was the last non-Trump standing (if we can all agree that Kasich was pretty much just lawn furniture).
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 1:37 PM on July 18, 2016 [23 favorites]


I don't care if she supports the orange one, himself! She is a part of this community.
posted by Sophie1 at 1:38 PM on July 18, 2016 [83 favorites]


Is Fallon, speaking right now, cosplaying Umbridge from Harry Potter ironically, or sincerely, or is she just blithely unaware?
posted by Shepherd at 1:38 PM on July 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


Any explanation of the Trump success other than ABC, CBS, CNN, Fox and NBC pushing him for ratings is complete crap. That is the only reason this happened. Nobody can compete against an all out media blitzkreig. Ms Clinton's folks need to buy a HUGE load of television ads.

This morning Limbaugh had a montage of a hundred different (exagerated a little--it went on for over two minutes) media peeps saying one soundbit or another which equated to "Pence is Rush Limbaugh on decaf."
posted by bukvich at 1:38 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


They originally had 11, which the party bosses managed to cut back to nine.

Allegedly, anyway.
posted by showbiz_liz at 1:38 PM on July 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


[Folks, maybe let's leave it at it being interesting to have some on-the-ground notes from a member and skip the nth debate about the merits or lack thereof of her political preferences in here.]
posted by cortex (staff) at 1:38 PM on July 18, 2016 [84 favorites]


Never mind, she'd gone and now it's a woman with earrings that are just about almost swastikas but kind of unbent enough that you could say they are starfish.
posted by Shepherd at 1:40 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


"WE WANT TRUMP"
"WE WANT TRUMP"

Why not just hold the convention in a beer hall?


Too much putching and tchoving.
 
posted by Herodios at 1:40 PM on July 18, 2016 [33 favorites]


Fave'd times a billion, cortex.

Is Fallon, speaking right now, cosplaying Umbridge from Harry Potter ironically, or sincerely, or is she just blithely unaware?

Speaking as a Sooner-in-law: totally, painfully unaware.
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 1:40 PM on July 18, 2016


Do they have the crowd mics turned off? Did the crowd's reception of Virginia Foxx sound oddly muted to anyone else?
posted by jessssse at 1:40 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


OMG Fallin, "Those Democrats are so awful and secretive and have some sort of top-down crazy legislation...not like us! Where we listen to all you guys! Well all of you goood Republicans."l
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 1:40 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


"Any explanation of the Trump success other than ABC, CBS, CNN, Fox and NBC pushing him for ratings is complete crap. "

I think the "there are a lot of racists in America" explanation is a pretty good one.
posted by Tevin at 1:40 PM on July 18, 2016 [29 favorites]


But Corb said the figures from the podium didn't match the figures she knew had been achieved.

So - it could be a fix. Which... I don't think we'd need a MeFi roll call vote to check for believability.

What happens next? I have given up asking that question.
posted by Devonian at 1:41 PM on July 18, 2016


Virginia Foxx, shorter: "Be people!"
posted by odinsdream at 1:41 PM on July 18, 2016


Yeah, they seem to be pretty actively (if not necessarily coherently) riding crowd mic levels. It's creating a really uneven presentational dynamic, though it's a little more interesting in that sense than a slick audio mix would be.
posted by cortex at 1:41 PM on July 18, 2016


What happens next? I have given up asking that question.

Procedurally, nothing good -- the delegates are now bound to vote the way their states did, and any ballots to the contrary are out of order. That means Trump clinches the nomination.

Practically, possibly open violence.
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 1:42 PM on July 18, 2016


(and this lefty Euro sends Corb his unambiguous and very heartfelt support. Keep fighting.)
posted by Devonian at 1:42 PM on July 18, 2016 [8 favorites]


I mean that steamrolling was exactly what got bush into office. I don't know why they seemed so surprised. You're with them or you don't exist and don't matter.
posted by lkc at 1:42 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


Welp, shit draft platform now official shit platform.
posted by odinsdream at 1:43 PM on July 18, 2016 [8 favorites]


I want to know what the guy in the office chair on the stage, the one with the green (!) tie, is saying into his mic.
posted by The corpse in the library at 1:43 PM on July 18, 2016


Procedurally, nothing good -- the delegates are now bound to vote the way their states did, and any ballots to the contrary are out of order.

Why should they abide by rules if the party doesn't?
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 1:43 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


DEMOCRACY AT WORK

I'm continually amazed at how much power the chairs have at these things. There are like 8 million videos of chairs at state and other conventions and committee meetings calling for voice votes and then ignoring obviously equally loud yeas and nays to affirm whatever side they want. How anyone puts up with it I dunno.
posted by dis_integration at 1:43 PM on July 18, 2016 [10 favorites]


What I got from Virginia Foxx is "We are people!" - and there was an implicit non-Republicans are not there.
posted by stolyarova at 1:43 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


That is one unhappy-looking crowd. Wow.
posted by odinsdream at 1:44 PM on July 18, 2016


Did anyone announce which states withdrew their petitions?

It sounds like the petitioning states had to bust their asses to get the petitions recognized, but the chair was happy to take whatever fourth-hand pulled-out-of-someone's-ass rumor that a couple of them had withdrawn without fact checking that. Which, y'know, would be par for the course for the RNC this year.

(I seem unable to get livestream online.)
posted by scaryblackdeath at 1:44 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


"What next" depends on whether the never Trumpers decide to keep pushing/protesting/disrupting, I would imagine, though I don't know how they could change anything at this point. It's either accept or use violence/disruption of some kind.
posted by emjaybee at 1:44 PM on July 18, 2016


Trump as a human being should not be allowed near the Oval Office

I won't object if Hillary wants to invite him to see it, after the election, just to taunt him with how close he got.
posted by Spathe Cadet at 1:44 PM on July 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


Procedurally, nothing good -- the delegates are now bound to vote the way their states did, and any ballots to the contrary are out of order. That means Trump clinches the nomination.

Practically, possibly open violence.


Hopefully, asteroid impact. Giant Meteor 2016!
posted by Foosnark at 1:44 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


Aw Guam
posted by Tarumba at 1:45 PM on July 18, 2016


That is one unhappy-looking crowd. Wow.

At least the Guam delegation look like they'd be fun to drink and argue with.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 1:46 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


I am fairly charmed by that fellow attempting to trill his Rs as hard as he possibly can.
posted by Kikujiro's Summer at 1:46 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


People now chanting "we want Trump", not clear to me if they mean in a vague aspirational way or that they expect him to wander out on stage.

Delegation from Guam had a little shout ready for every time the main delegate says "Guam". I am charmed.
posted by cortex at 1:46 PM on July 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


CSPAN crawl says Iowa and Colorado delegations have walked out.

The Colorado delegation now
posted by homunculus at 1:47 PM on July 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


How anyone puts up with it I dunno.

Because there's nothing in Robert's Rules that can stop a chair who's willing to ignore objections and points of order. The system working properly is premised on good faith and... yeah.
posted by tonycpsu at 1:47 PM on July 18, 2016 [12 favorites]


As usual, California has offered up the most boring sounding man to represent its Republicans.

(and he gets to present a boring resolution about typos and technical corrections)
posted by zachlipton at 1:47 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


I move to nominate the Guam guy instead
posted by theodolite at 1:48 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


People now chanting "we want Trump",

Please tell us they are holding torches and pitchforks....
posted by zarq at 1:48 PM on July 18, 2016 [25 favorites]


Awww, Colorado's going to miss Photo Day.
posted by The corpse in the library at 1:48 PM on July 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


Crowd: "We Want Trump" I really don't think he will be able to resist taking the stage today. Today and every day.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 1:48 PM on July 18, 2016


He's lying about the camera isn't he
posted by The corpse in the library at 1:49 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


Ugh they're going to charge like $25 for the stupid photo they already printed and guilt you into buying it
posted by theodolite at 1:49 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Watching a live stream of everybody standing up perfectly still and silent while taking a group picture: surprisingly unnerving.
posted by cortex at 1:49 PM on July 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


"Stand up. Stand still. And smile. It will only take a couple of minutes."

That's apparently for the official convention photo, but it also applies to the procedure the Trump whips perform back in the hall.
posted by zachlipton at 1:49 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


(taking a daguerreotype)
posted by Tarumba at 1:50 PM on July 18, 2016 [10 favorites]


This is just eerie.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 1:50 PM on July 18, 2016


Oh my god the sea of whiteness as they pan across the floor for the official photo, it's like laundry day for every bedsheet at the Hilton.
posted by Shepherd at 1:50 PM on July 18, 2016 [31 favorites]


Jesus. Now they are asking them to smile for a "couple of minutes" for the panorama picture? That's a hell of a long time.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 1:50 PM on July 18, 2016


"Now everyone smile awkwardly for 2 minutes"
posted by odinsdream at 1:50 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


You've always been the RNC chair. I should know, sir. I've always been here.
posted by theodolite at 1:51 PM on July 18, 2016 [17 favorites]


Are people standing in the empty Colorado section?
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 1:51 PM on July 18, 2016


This will be the whitest page in the Where's Waldo book.
posted by peeedro at 1:51 PM on July 18, 2016


Can anyone explain what Guam asked for?
posted by The corpse in the library at 1:51 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


It just started STORMING here in New York City. Very appropriate.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 1:52 PM on July 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


oh dear god
posted by mazola at 1:53 PM on July 18, 2016


Yikes, how about a transition, dude! Don't go from eerie silence to shouting about Jesus that quickly.
posted by The corpse in the library at 1:53 PM on July 18, 2016


Oh boy a prosperity televangelist! Surely a man of god!
posted by Talez at 1:53 PM on July 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


OMG what is happening godgasm.
posted by Tarumba at 1:53 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


Having seen the sort of fuckery that can happen with voice votes in teachers' union meetings here in Seattle--even when I was on the "winning" vote--my sympathy with the dissenters right now is absolutely sincere. That sort of bullshit is incredibly galling. It's a little surprising that more states didn't walk out.
posted by scaryblackdeath at 1:53 PM on July 18, 2016 [10 favorites]


This may be the most partisan prayer I've ever heard. But I love this guy.
posted by zachlipton at 1:53 PM on July 18, 2016


Hey there's Donald's black supporter!
posted by odinsdream at 1:54 PM on July 18, 2016


Huh:

Burns meanwhile is praying Trump’s way to victory. He started an #IPrayedForTrump hashtag and leads phone conference calls for followers to pray over Trump when he speaks. He says 10,000 people have joined for a five-minute prayer. Ultimately, Burns hopes Trump will help his hometown. “I fantasize about bringing a company like Microsoft to Easley, to bring car manufactures to Greenville, to create more and more jobs,” he says. “You need people like the Trump family to learn.”
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 1:54 PM on July 18, 2016


"Protect the life of Donald Trump" ?
Did that need to be explicitly stated?
posted by mfu at 1:54 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


GOD HAS C-SPAN, HE CAN HEAR YOU, YOU DON'T NEED TO SHOUT THAT LOUDLY
posted by The corpse in the library at 1:54 PM on July 18, 2016 [16 favorites]


"FUCK THOSE LIBERAL DEMOCRATS WHO WANT TO FEED OUR HEAVENLY FATHER'S SHEEP! WE ARE CONSERVATIVES!"
posted by Talez at 1:54 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


Yeah, roomthreeseventeen. I just got out of a meeting and looked out the windows and thought "Uh, what time is it?"
posted by defenestration at 1:54 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


Oh my god the sea of whiteness as they pan across the floor for the official photo, it's like laundry day for every bedsheet at the Hilton.

We're all Republicans!
 
posted by Herodios at 1:55 PM on July 18, 2016


"be in your seats by the 7:50 time"
Are these people aliens?
posted by WCWedin at 1:56 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


Is it just me, or is this process making House of Cards look more realistic all the time?
posted by nubs at 1:56 PM on July 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


Yes, The Darkening just overtook NYC with pretty perfect timing right now.
posted by Navelgazer at 1:56 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


I (Canadian, no previous exposure to this as a livestream or minute-by-minute) had absolutely no idea how religious this would be; I kind of thought it would be... veiled, somehow, or that there'd be some sort of subtlety to the whole thing.

But I mean, it's crazy blatant. I figured there'd be some "founded on religious principles" stuff, but this was full-bore "WARRIORS FOR JESUS FIGHTING FOR JESUS, AND ALSO JESUS, PLUS DID I MENTION JESUS" stuff from the past three speakers.

I also like the announcement I just heard on Twitch that buses are bringing delegates in, but buses will not be bringing people back to their hotels at this time. Freedom Plaza is like Hotel California, but with many more steely knives and only one unkillable beast.
posted by Shepherd at 1:56 PM on July 18, 2016 [50 favorites]


Not sure who this Congressman on MSNBC is right now, who just called Trump's wife Milana.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 1:57 PM on July 18, 2016


During the lull I have to say reading the TPM article posted by Naberius at 12:03 PM was quite interesting and worth a close reading. There is a bit of a disconnect between the one woman in the room (Katie Packer) and the other GOP representatives. She would say something thoughtful or interesting from a woman's POV and it would then be ignored or contradicted. I kept wanting to point out that women are hardly a fringe, special interest group, but the other Republicans seemed oblivious to that fact.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 1:58 PM on July 18, 2016


Day 1: GOP civil war breaks out in ClevelandPoltico, 07/18/16 04:51 PM EDT
posted by octobersurprise at 1:58 PM on July 18, 2016


Day 1: GOP civil war breaks out in Cleveland — Poltico, 07/18/16 04:51 PM EDT

Civil war? I'd say more like a Turkish coup.
posted by Talez at 2:00 PM on July 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


Not as good as the corb stuff, but not bad if you love convention shenanigans:

https://twitter.com/UnknownDelegate

(Via Dave Weigel's twitter. Apologies if linked already.)
posted by longdaysjourney at 2:00 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


maxsparber is the shit yo. i'm gonna be using that post to bludgeon some hand-wringing rethuglicans i know.
posted by quonsar II: smock fishpants and the temple of foon at 2:00 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


Meanwhile, the inexplicably employed Jonathan Chait, lacking Reds to hunt, relies on reflex and writes that Trump would be Russia's man in the White House.
posted by Rustic Etruscan at 2:01 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


"I fantasize about bringing a company like Microsoft to Easley, to bring car manufactures to Greenville, to create more and more jobs,” he says.
BMW'S ALREADY IN GREENVILLE YOU DUMB TRUMPHUMPER!!!
posted by octobersurprise at 2:02 PM on July 18, 2016 [16 favorites]


cooker girl can you ask corb if everything smells like hot dogs in there. tell her gregory would like to know please
posted by Greg Nog at 2:02 PM on July 18, 2016 [18 favorites]


MSNBC video has way a way more accurate video with no microphone muting showing the fury of the nevertrump movement
posted by Tarumba at 2:02 PM on July 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


I (Canadian, no previous exposure to this as a livestream or minute-by-minute) had absolutely no idea how religious this would be; I kind of thought it would be... veiled, somehow, or that there'd be some sort of subtlety to the whole thing.

You ain't seen nothin' yet!

A sampler platter from a convention past...

The Religious Right and the 1992 GOP Convention
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 2:03 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


Freedom Plaza is like Hotel California, but with many more steely knives and only one unkillable beast.

"Relax," said the Reince-man.
posted by emjaybee at 2:04 PM on July 18, 2016 [8 favorites]


MSNBC video has way a way more accurate video with no microphone muting showing the fury of the nevertrump movement

To be fair, every video feed is going to have a different audio mix, so none of us really knows how much fury is there unless we're actually in the building (and even then, it depends on where you are.) MSNBC surely has some incentive to overplay the amount of craziness going on in Cleveland today, so while I'm sure there's plenty of GRAR to go around, I wouldn't read too much into the amount of screaming you hear on any given stream.
posted by tonycpsu at 2:05 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


writes that Trump would be Russia's man in the White House.

I see no reason to doubt this.

(Actually, I don't believe that he's Russia's "man," but I'm certain he'd be happy to sell the country to Putin if he thought he could get a kickback.)
posted by octobersurprise at 2:05 PM on July 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


I really don't understand Priebus's plan here. He'd rather endure a week's worth of chaos instead of having a roll call vote?
posted by zachlipton at 2:06 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


can we ask corb to rate the grar on a scale of hurf durf to hoppita moppita
posted by prize bull octorok at 2:06 PM on July 18, 2016 [77 favorites]


I'm assuming he's more afraid of what the roll call vote would do, which is interesting.
posted by winna at 2:07 PM on July 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


My god, it's all the way to argle-bargle.
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 2:07 PM on July 18, 2016 [39 favorites]


I see no reason to doubt this.

1. The byline
posted by Rustic Etruscan at 2:08 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


Reince knows what David Cameron did not -- do not EVER allow a vote unless you are absofuckinglutely sure of the result.
posted by delfin at 2:08 PM on July 18, 2016 [49 favorites]


Sorry, was driving home from work. Have sent good thoughts to Corb. And now the latest:

"The Trump Whips are the RNC staff."

"Lost my voice trying to drown out the neon brownshirts."

"No wait I found it again. I won't have one tomorrow. Or apparently a party."

"How the fuck do you say 'without objection' with people chanting no?"

"The Trumpsters are trying to kick me out because I dropped the f bomb in response to someone who said I had no class for opposing Trump. Well we'll see how that goes."

"They are breaking out a prayer because they know people won't chant during prayer."

"I am walking out of Trump prayer. Refuse."
posted by cooker girl at 2:09 PM on July 18, 2016 [81 favorites]


The roll call vote for the nominee is always on television. The NeverTrumpers should just go all-out and vote for Hillary when it's their turn.
posted by Huffy Puffy at 2:10 PM on July 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


Yes it would be interesting to know how they got 3 of the states to withdraw their petitions. You go through all the trouble of signing the petitions, get them submitted, and then at the last second you withdraw? What kind of pressure was brought to bear on them? I heard there was a threat to arrest them but surely that is not possible.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 2:10 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


In response to the good thoughts stuff I sent her way:

"Oh I appreciate that deeply. This is just fucking awful and I really appreciate that people aren't like 'haha we told you they would fuck you.',

"We need to regroup. We are meeting now. But it doesn't look good."
posted by cooker girl at 2:11 PM on July 18, 2016 [41 favorites]


"...someone who said I had no class for opposing Trump."

...and now I'll never be able to detect irony again.

Thanks for fighting, corb. Sometimes even an honorable defeat matters.
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 2:13 PM on July 18, 2016 [52 favorites]


In my dreams one of the speakers gets up and bashes Trump in prime time.
posted by bongo_x at 2:13 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


I am thinking all the good thoughts about corb's safety and sanity right now. I can't even imagine what exposure to that level of toxicity and gaslighting is like.
posted by Lyn Never at 2:14 PM on July 18, 2016 [16 favorites]


Yeah, this has got to suck for her and the rest. There is honor in fighting against the expectation of blind obedience, even if the fight isn't/can't be won.
posted by nubs at 2:14 PM on July 18, 2016 [10 favorites]


In my dreams one of the speakers gets up and bashes Trump in prime time.

It'd serve Trump right for leaving his prime time unguarded
posted by Greg Nog at 2:15 PM on July 18, 2016 [15 favorites]


neon brownshirts

I saw those guys opening up for Truncheon once
posted by thelonius at 2:15 PM on July 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


It was a Grand Old Party, while it lasted.
posted by Faint of Butt at 2:15 PM on July 18, 2016


Current outdoor livestream

Dahboo77 has also been live streaming outside and should stream more.
posted by phoque at 2:15 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


I'm assuming he's more afraid of what the roll call vote would do, which is interesting.

More likely they were hoping to avoid any show of disunity, and then realized they shot themselves in the foot.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 2:16 PM on July 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


If the RNC celebrations are less lavish than 4 years ago, it may be because Major Corporate Sponsors Scaled Back Support for GOP Convention (May 2016), and More Companies Opted to Sit Out Trump’s Coronation in Cleveland (June 16, 2016).
posted by filthy light thief at 2:16 PM on July 18, 2016


Ladies and gentlemen, the "Law and Order" day of the RNC!
posted by codacorolla at 2:17 PM on July 18, 2016 [13 favorites]


OK, so delegates are only "allowed" to vote a certain way. What happens if they don't? Do they get booted from the convention? Fined? Stripped of credentials? What's the dilleo?
posted by Cookiebastard at 2:17 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


cooker girl, thanks for relaying all of corb's updates (and thanks and best wishes to corb)
posted by dismas at 2:18 PM on July 18, 2016 [35 favorites]


The roll call vote for the nominee is always on television.

I think that's the best chance to make any kind of display of protest. If the TV cameras capture dissent among the party in prime time, it helps undercut Trump. I dunno exactly what they could get away with - maybe a state or two could steadfastly refuse to vote the way they're "supposed" to? Enough to at least slow the steamroller for a bit.
posted by dnash at 2:19 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


thanks for liveblogging this guys, because my liver can't handle this shit unfiltered
posted by angrycat at 2:21 PM on July 18, 2016 [9 favorites]


Am I the only one surprised that the alt-right didn't get more billing on the schedule? These people are the essential future of the party - especially the future in terms of Trumpsters.
posted by codacorolla at 2:21 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


OK, so delegates are only "allowed" to vote a certain way. What happens if they don't? Do they get booted from the convention? Fined? Stripped of credentials? What's the dilleo?

Nothing. The votes are tallied according to the delegate's obligation not the delegate's vote. The delegate could vote for Hillary for all the RNC cares but if they're bound for Trump according to the primary result they will be tallied for Trump.
posted by Talez at 2:21 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


More likely they were hoping to avoid any show of disunity, and then realized they shot themselves in the foot.

Yeah, I'm wondering if this means an ongoing series of petitions, motions, disruptions from the floor throughout the week? Maybe the rules fight is lost, but there are other means of protest/obstructionism that can be used to register the discontent and dispute present. Might seem small inside the convention, but it sends a message to those not there.
posted by nubs at 2:23 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


Am I the only one surprised that the alt-right didn't get more billing on the schedule?

Is Milo on there? I think they call him BASED F***GOT on reddit /r/the_donald, which I guess means something like "an awesome gay guy, the exception to the rule". There seem to be some people who know what they're doing involved in this and they would know better than to let the ultra-reactionary baby-racists get a national stage right now.
posted by dis_integration at 2:24 PM on July 18, 2016


I listened again and as far as I can tell the delegates from Guam, Puerto Rico, etc wanted to make sure they would be members of the Republican National committee until the next convention.
posted by The corpse in the library at 2:25 PM on July 18, 2016


btw the DNC has three kind of buttons:
One that says Philly DNC 2016
Square colored PHL pins representing every sports team
A beautiful little rainbow square PHL pin
posted by angrycat at 2:25 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


Hang in there, corb!
posted by OmieWise at 2:26 PM on July 18, 2016


Is Milo on there?

I looked at the most recent docket, and didn't recognize any of the names, including Milo's.
posted by codacorolla at 2:27 PM on July 18, 2016


corb, thanks for fighting the good fight.
posted by lunasol at 2:28 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


So, if you like inside baseball, turns out Hillary's "Confessions of a Republican" ad isn't just a callback to LBJ's, it uses the same actor.
posted by fedward at 2:29 PM on July 18, 2016 [21 favorites]


really hoping that today reveals real weakness in the GOP that will harm them in the general but i worry that this whole episode will appear in a section of the history books headed "the gathering storm" or something
posted by murphy slaw at 2:32 PM on July 18, 2016 [20 favorites]


@JYSexton, who you may remember as the guy who livetweeted a horrifying Trump rally in South Carolina, is outside the convention and livetweeting.
posted by Pope Guilty at 2:32 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Trump's motorcade was involved in a crash in New York. Apparently, he's fine, but a staff card got banged up.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 2:32 PM on July 18, 2016


Is Milo on there? I think they call him BASED F***GOT on reddit /r/the_donald

It is so damn weird that they co-opted 'based' from a black rapper in Oakland who made an album called "I'm gay (I'm happy!)". Like do they even know where that phrase comes from?
posted by lkc at 2:33 PM on July 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


"This is how democracy dies, with thunderous shouts of 'WE WANT TRUMP.'"
posted by dw at 2:35 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


From the Lil B wiki article: "His hip-hop work in particular is often described as "based", a term also used to describe a lifestyle of positivity and tolerance."

that word you keep using, etc. etc.
posted by murphy slaw at 2:35 PM on July 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


In response to the hot dog question:

"No though the only food for sale is hot dogs and nachos."
posted by cooker girl at 2:35 PM on July 18, 2016 [8 favorites]


Corb: Thank you for everything you're doing here! Both the reports and the trying to avert the apocalypse.
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 2:37 PM on July 18, 2016 [8 favorites]


"No though the only food for sale is hot dogs and nachos."

So either blood pressure rising, or blood sugar dropping. This is a good set of circumstances.
posted by Navelgazer at 2:37 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


"No though the only food for sale is hot dogs and nachos."

Give their immigration policies, shouldn't they rebrand nachos as "Freedom chips" or something?
posted by entropicamericana at 2:38 PM on July 18, 2016 [8 favorites]


Considering that the Never Trump crowd on the floor today was trying to anti-democratically overturn their states' primary results and belong to the party of voter suppression, I can't help taking a bit of a "Who ratfucks the ratfuckers?" kind of attitude toward Reince's shenanigans.
posted by tobascodagama at 2:38 PM on July 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


they're really the best nachos, you won't believe these nachos, i love hispanics!
posted by murphy slaw at 2:38 PM on July 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


So, if you like inside baseball, turns out Hillary's "Confessions of a Republican" ad isn't just a callback to LBJ's, it uses the same actor.

This is really awesome!
posted by OmieWise at 2:38 PM on July 18, 2016


tobascodagama, I believe their petition was legal.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 2:39 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


Thanks Talez.
posted by Cookiebastard at 2:39 PM on July 18, 2016


tbh though that rat really deserves to get fucked
posted by stolyarova at 2:39 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


So, if you like inside baseball, turns out Hillary's "Confessions of a Republican" ad isn't just a callback to LBJ's, it uses the same actor.

When it went by this morning, the article I saw said "They used the guy who played the Frontline host on that great Chapelle's Show skit (NSFW!!!)."

And then I found out that was Bogert, too.
posted by dw at 2:39 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


the rat being the RNC, not corb's folks
posted by stolyarova at 2:39 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Give their immigration policies, shouldn't they rebrand nachos as "Freedom chips" or something?

Corn Friends
posted by prize bull octorok at 2:40 PM on July 18, 2016 [15 favorites]


Mexican poutine? Wait, no...
posted by peeedro at 2:41 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


"Some of them good snack foods"
posted by Navelgazer at 2:41 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Am I the only one surprised that the alt-right didn't get more billing on the schedule?

Probably too busy threatening people on Twitter.
posted by octobersurprise at 2:42 PM on July 18, 2016 [11 favorites]


Corn Friends

!AMERICAN Cheese! on Maize Chips with Red Sauce
posted by nubs at 2:42 PM on July 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


HAHAHAHAHA.

Trump campaign manager saying the roll call vote had nothing to do with Trump.
posted by cooker girl at 2:43 PM on July 18, 2016


Considering that the Never Trump crowd on the floor today was trying to anti-democratically overturn their states' primary results and belong to the party of voter suppression, I can't help taking a bit of a "Who ratfucks the ratfuckers?" kind of attitude toward Reince's shenanigans.

It's not anti-democratic. We live in a representative democracy in the form of a republic. If the RNC wanted it to be based on the direct input of every Republican voter they'd have a straight preferential popular vote instead of all these delegate shenanigans.
posted by Talez at 2:43 PM on July 18, 2016 [9 favorites]


Why not just hold the convention in a beer hall?

Never Forget That in the '90s, Donald Trump Enjoyed Reading Hitler Speeches
posted by kirkaracha at 2:43 PM on July 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


I want to see a series where reporters track down all the Republicans who are far too busy to be there this week and see just how busy they really are.
posted by zachlipton at 2:45 PM on July 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


I don't think Trump is actually smart enough to have read any of the speeches. He has a copy of the book and has probably paged through it from time to time, and no doubt he admires Adolf Hitler for the power he was able to attain. But I suspect it's a hollow admiration - the cargo cult thing again.
posted by stolyarova at 2:45 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Am I the only one surprised that the alt-right didn't get more billing on the schedule?

Probably too busy threatening people on Twitter.


RNC forced to close online convention chat after anti-Semites turn it into a Jew-bashing hatefest
posted by homunculus at 2:45 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


Corb:

"BULLSHIT. It's the first stage of our fight against Trump. It's 100% against Trump."
posted by cooker girl at 2:46 PM on July 18, 2016 [18 favorites]


So, if you like inside baseball, turns out Hillary's "Confessions of a Republican" ad isn't just a callback to LBJ's, it uses the same actor.

When I watched it this morning I was puzzled by the jump cut in the middle-- they've inserted a frame from the original ad.



The Republican Party has been full of the worst this country has to offer for some time, and as awful and horrifying and humiliating it is to see Trump speaking regularly on such a large national/international stage, it's nice to see many prominent members of the party exposed as the opportunistic morally bankrupt cowards they really are.
posted by AtoBtoA at 1:58 PM on July 18

For me one of the highlights of this election season so far was watching the Far Right Christian leaders try to convince themselves that Trump is a born again Christian. They want it to be therefore he is...just like magic. They really are venal Pharisees who care only for power.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 2:46 PM on July 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


In response to the hot dog question:

"No though the only food for sale is hot dogs and nachos."


Step outside the Q. At this hour you're bound to find a pushcart vendor selling Polish Boy sandwiches.

Better yet, hie thee down to Hotsauce Williams, E 79th and Car-neggie.
 
posted by Herodios at 2:47 PM on July 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


Never Forget That in the '90s, Donald Trump Enjoyed Reading Hitler Speeches

The thing that's unbelievable about this is the idea that Trump would actually read a book.
posted by fitnr at 2:48 PM on July 18, 2016 [18 favorites]


I want to see a series where reporters track down all the Republicans who are far too busy to be there this week and see just how busy they really are.

I want them all to take a day-trip to Six Flags together and instagram the whole thing.
posted by Navelgazer at 2:48 PM on July 18, 2016 [23 favorites]


I don't think Trump is actually smart enough to have read any of the speeches. He has a copy of the book and has probably paged through it from time to time, and no doubt he admires Adolf Hitler for the power he was able to attain. But I suspect it's a hollow admiration - the cargo cult thing again.

From the (pro-click imo) New Yorker piece linked in the first comment:
Trump’s first wife, Ivana, famously claimed that Trump kept a copy of Adolf Hitler’s collected speeches, “My New Order,” in a cabinet beside his bed. In 1990, Trump’s friend Marty Davis, who was then an executive at Paramount, added credence to this story, telling Marie Brenner, of Vanity Fair, that he had given Trump the book. “I thought he would find it interesting,” Davis told her. When Brenner asked Trump about it, however, he mistakenly identified the volume as a different work by Hitler: “Mein Kampf.” Apparently, he had not so much as read the title. “If I had these speeches, and I am not saying that I do, I would never read them,” Trump told Brenner.
posted by theodolite at 2:48 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


Step outside the Q. At this hour you're bound to find a pushcart vendor selling Polish Boy sandwiches.

America never stopped being great, did it? This sounds...enticing:

It consists of a link of kielbasa placed in a bun, and covered with a layer of french fries, a layer of barbecue sauce or hot sauce, and a layer of coleslaw.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 2:50 PM on July 18, 2016 [8 favorites]


homunculus: RNC forced to close online convention chat after anti-Semites turn it into a Jew-bashing hatefest

I'm expecting they don't have moderators, which makes me happy for any would-be RNC chat moderators.
posted by filthy light thief at 2:52 PM on July 18, 2016


I'm expecting they don't have moderators, which makes me happy for any would-be RNC chat moderators.

on the other hand, how did they think they could do without mods? have they MET some of their constituents?
posted by murphy slaw at 2:55 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


It consists of a link of kielbasa placed in a bun, and covered with a layer of french fries, a layer of barbecue sauce or hot sauce, and a layer of coleslaw.

That could almost get me to vote Republican.
posted by OmieWise at 2:56 PM on July 18, 2016 [12 favorites]


If the RNC wanted it to be based on the direct input of every Republican voter they'd have a straight preferential popular vote instead of all these delegate shenanigans.

The conceit of the delegates, though, is that they're representatives of the Republicans in their states. The Republicans in their states have made their preference clear in democratic elections. The delegates are fighting fit the right to ignore the results of those elections. They're disenfranchising everyone in their states who indicated a preference for Trump.

It's absolutely anti-democratic. Nobody has to care that it's anti-democratic, but it is.
posted by tobascodagama at 2:56 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


I don't think Trump is actually smart enough to have read any of the speeches. He has a copy of the book and has probably paged through it from time to time, and no doubt he admires Adolf Hitler for the power he was able to attain. But I suspect it's a hollow admiration - the cargo cult thing again.

It was a gift and he didn't even have the title right. He said it was Mein Kampf but it was actually My New Order, Hitler’s speeches. My guess is he never bothered to crack it open.

One of the things that startled me when reading the McKay article linked earlier was when a Palm Beach socialite calls Trump a Jew.
“You know, in Palm Beach there’s an in-crowd and an out-crowd and no matter how much money he has, he will never be a part of Palm Beach’s inner circle,” socialite Marlene Rathgeb told the Miami Herald in 1986, adding, “The fact that Trump is Jewish and because he’s nouveau riche turns a lot of people off.”
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 2:57 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


I had a Polish Boy WITH A PIEROGI ON IT. It was peak Cleveland.
posted by mynameisluka at 2:59 PM on July 18, 2016 [19 favorites]


I had a Polish Boy WITH A PIEROGI ON IT. It was peak Cleveland.

“Pierogi” is the plural; the singular is, of course, “pierogus”
posted by acb at 3:00 PM on July 18, 2016 [11 favorites]


I had a Polish Boy WITH A PIEROGI ON IT. It was peak Cleveland.

OH MY GOD MY PEOPLE
posted by cooker girl at 3:01 PM on July 18, 2016 [13 favorites]


I had a Polish Boy WITH A PIEROGI ON IT. It was peak Cleveland.

were you wearing a white plastic belt
posted by murphy slaw at 3:01 PM on July 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


RNC forced to close online convention chat after anti-Semites turn it into a Jew-bashing hatefest

Trump-supporting anti-semites.
posted by zarq at 3:01 PM on July 18, 2016 [13 favorites]


"pirogues"

One of my biggest pet peeves is the incorrect pluralization of pierog. But this is funny.
posted by cooker girl at 3:02 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


The conceit of the delegates, though, is that they're representatives of the Republicans in their states.

Representatives being the key word. But that's beside the point here. The chair ignored the rules, which makes it an effective tyranny.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 3:03 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


were you wearing a white plastic belt

No, a Rust Belt.







I'll see myself out.
posted by mynameisluka at 3:03 PM on July 18, 2016 [27 favorites]


socialite Marlene Rathgeb told the Miami Herald in 1986,

Rathgeb was an astrologer who had a column in Elle Magazine for many years. Making crap up was no doubt second nature to her.
posted by zarq at 3:04 PM on July 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


Polish Boy sandwiches.

America never stopped being great, did it? This sounds ... enticing:


For more heartattackonaplate options, theres:

Slymans on St. Clair,
or Sokolowskis under the bridge.

Then there's Tommy's in Cleveland Heights. Mostly vegetarian, but before they close the griddle at 11:30 there's the Elsie's Combo: fried egg, bacon, mayo, american cheese, and peanut butter on toast.

Simply the best.
 
posted by Herodios at 3:05 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


CORB! Thank you for fighting to save the party of my beloved grandfather from this embarrassing clown.
posted by Don Pepino at 3:06 PM on July 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


were you wearing a white plastic belt

I think this is literally the only time I've ever heard that sequence of words other than in the lyrics of "Hot Patootie".
posted by Pope Guilty at 3:06 PM on July 18, 2016 [9 favorites]




is it pieroginim or pieroganot
posted by poffin boffin at 3:07 PM on July 18, 2016 [9 favorites]


Nothing is more American than rules-lawyering.
posted by odinsdream at 3:07 PM on July 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


I have never had cause to use 'pierogi' in the singular. Not even close.
posted by mazola at 3:09 PM on July 18, 2016 [34 favorites]


All I know is you need 50 candies to evolve it into Pierogotto.
posted by rifflesby at 3:10 PM on July 18, 2016 [66 favorites]


Christie spokesman: Governor ‘misspoke’ about Donald Trump’s gift for Hurricane Sandy relief
On Monday morning, New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie told a group of Republican convention delegates a story about Donald Trump's generosity. After the devastation of Hurricane Sandy, Christie said, his wife Mary Pat Christie had asked Trump for a donation to a New Jersey disaster-relief fund.

“He said, 'How much does the check need to be? Just tell me and I’ll send it,' ” Christie told the crowd, according to an account on the news website northjersey.com.

But then, Monday afternoon, a spokesman said Christie "misspoke." The spokesman, Brian Murray, appeared to be indicating that Trump had not donated anything to the Hurricane Sandy New Jersey Relief Fund, which was run by Mary Pat Christie.

"Mr. Trump has given to other New Jersey charities, including the Drumthwacket Foundation," Murray said. He was responding to questions from The Washington Post, which noted that the New Jersey disaster-relief fund did not list Trump among its major donors.
I love the Washington Post.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 3:11 PM on July 18, 2016 [29 favorites]


Does Cleveland have pierogi ruskie? The pierogi game here in Milwaukee is weak as hell.

On the horrorshow, I can't stand Trump, but disenfranchising primary voters wholesale really is throwing the legitimacy of the primary process in the shitter, even if it's legal. Frankly, cutting corners with democracy like that is not going to help us.
posted by The Gaffer at 3:12 PM on July 18, 2016


Dammit I want to eat pierogi now.
posted by defenestration at 3:13 PM on July 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


I think this is literally the only time I've ever heard that sequence of words other than in the lyrics of "Hot Patootie".

Some context.
posted by murphy slaw at 3:13 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


All I know is you need 50 candies to evolve it into Pierogotto.

i want to live out the rest of my life on pudgey pierogy island
posted by poffin boffin at 3:14 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Pierogie ruski? I think you mean (the vastly superior) pelmeni (пельме́ни).
posted by stolyarova at 3:14 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


"pirogues"

One of my biggest pet peeves


Goodbye Joe, cant't take no mo' my pet peevo
Me gotta go, pole the pirogie down the Cuyo
Me and Yvonne, we 'gon run from the ar-en-cee-oh
Son of a bun we'll have big fun here in Clevo . . .
 
posted by Herodios at 3:14 PM on July 18, 2016 [11 favorites]


How long after the nomination before Trump officially renames the Republican party the "Trump Party"? He seems to have done that to everything else he's taken control of and run into the ground.
posted by Excommunicated Cardinal at 3:16 PM on July 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


Defense: It was a big pierogi pierog.

Okay, more on topic: I just made the mistake of looking deep into the RNC Twitter hashtag and feel like I need to bathe myself in holy water or something (mostly related to Clinton). It's easy to dismiss some of the sexist stuff as weak trollery, but I really feel like this [insert "ism" here] has been boiling right at the surface for decades (centuries?) and is only just now coming out. I really hope maxsparber is wrong, but the longer this election goes on the more right I think he must be.
posted by mynameisluka at 3:16 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


Trump Campaign Claims GOP Platform Will Call for Breaking Up Big Banks
In a rather surprising development Monday morning, Donald Trump's campaign manager, Paul Manafort, told a group of reporters that the official GOP platform would include a plank calling for the breakup of large U.S. financial institutions. "There has been some added components to [the platform] that reflect the issues that Mr. Trump has raised during the course of the campaign," he said, according to the American Banker. "We also call for reintroduction of the platform of Glass-Steagall so that would create barriers between what the big banks can do and avoid some of the crisis that led to 2008.”
[snip]

But, here's the thing. I haven't been able to find any sign that Manafort is telling the truth at this point. On Monday morning, Republican convention organizers handed out draft text of the platform, and the section on banking includes nothing on bringing back Glass-Steagall. Instead, it spends a lot of time calling on Congress to curtail the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau's powers, then says:

Republicans believe that no financial institution is too big to fail. We support legislation to ensure that the problems of any financial institution can be resolved through the bankruptcy code.
Lots of porkies being told at this convention.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 3:17 PM on July 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


Next Manafort will place a box propped up by a stick on a string with a plate of Free College under it. They'll get those Bernie voters yet!
posted by prize bull octorok at 3:20 PM on July 18, 2016 [34 favorites]


Like fun I do, stolyarova. I'm referring to a polish style of pierogi, though I will gladly eat those Russian dumplings.
posted by The Gaffer at 3:21 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


maxsparber, please consider putting that on your facebook so it can be shared easily.
posted by infinitewindow at 3:22 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


Well, if the Republicans assigned all delegates proportionally rather than allowing winner-take-all/most, then we'd get our floor fight without completely undermining the principles of democracy.
posted by ckape at 3:22 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Josh Marshall, Here's your first TrumpVention Debacle:
... it's just been reported that the Trump/RNC folks have announced that they won't be releasing the names of the delegates who allegedly withdrew their signatures. So I'd say that likely resolves the question above about whether the RNC just ditched its rules in a pinch. The whole little debacle perfectly captures Trumpism: incompetence, rule-breaking and derp, each in equal measures.
posted by RedOrGreen at 3:22 PM on July 18, 2016 [14 favorites]




And Here's Your First TrumpVention Debacle
Our team (and a lot of other teams) are now trying to figure out precisely what happened and whether the Trump/RNC forces just played hardball and got what they needed - bullying a few delegates into withdrawing their signatures - or whether they just broke the conventions rules, as the anti-Trump folks are claiming. If and when we find out we'll tell you. But the folks who know have a strong interest in never releasing the information. So don't wait up late.

Meanwhile, because he's a bully and completely lacks any impulse control, Donald Trump has taken to Twitter blaming CNN for the debacle. The saving grace for the Trump/RNC folks is that this happened in the late afternoon on the East Coast, while most people are still at work.
Here's the tweet: @CNN is the worst.They go to their dumb, one-sided panels when a podium speaker is for Trump! VAST MAJORITY want: Make America Great Again!

Gosh he sure does sound BRILLIANT on titter, doesn't he.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 3:24 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


Reinstating Glass-Steagall is, shockingly, in the GOP platform:

"We support reinstating the Glass-Steagall Act of 1933 which prohibits commercial banks from engaging in high-risk investment."

There's a whole section though on dismantling the CFPB and rolling back bank regulations, so don't get too excited.
posted by zachlipton at 3:26 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


I think that bit of trickery makes it pretty clear that the chair had no desire to see what the actual outcome of a vote would be.
posted by codacorolla at 3:26 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


Steve King (R - Iowa) is on MSNBC saying some bananas shit right now
posted by cashman at 3:28 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


…..is anyone watching MSNBC? What the fuck did Steve King just say?
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 3:28 PM on July 18, 2016


Steve King (R - Iowa) is on MSNBC saying some bananas shit right now

This is different from him saying anything at any other time how?
posted by qcubed at 3:28 PM on July 18, 2016 [14 favorites]


Colbert is currently (Facebook) live with the RNC ketchup and mustard station

Tuned in just in time to watch a guy litter. This is top quality content.
posted by zachlipton at 3:29 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


qcubed, no, really, he just implied that white people are the only people who have ever contributed anything to civilization.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 3:30 PM on July 18, 2016 [8 favorites]


More seriously, Dan Rather is live now, too.
posted by stolyarova at 3:30 PM on July 18, 2016


He said white people only contribute to society.
posted by johnpowell at 3:31 PM on July 18, 2016


but I really feel like this [insert "ism" here] has been boiling right at the surface for decades (centuries?) and is only just now coming out. I really hope maxsparber is wrong, but the longer this election goes on the more right I think he must be.

If you're talking patriarchy, well I'd say closer to a few thousand years. That we know of. But resistance to it has been going on just as long.
posted by emjaybee at 3:31 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Ugh. I had a busy day at work, and there is literally no way I can keep up with this tread. What did I miss? Has the apocalypse happened? Which horseman are we on?
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 3:32 PM on July 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


Tuned in just in time to watch a guy litter. This is top quality content.

I just noticed lot of them are taking way more napkins than they need. "Fuck you, got mine" manifesting itself.

Either that, or they're very messy eaters.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 3:32 PM on July 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


Since both the democratic and republican platforms include reinstating glass-steagall in some form, it would be nice to see the candidates quizzed on it during the debates

my prediction is at least one of them wouldn't know what it was without prompting.
posted by dismas at 3:33 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


Out of absolutely nowhere, Steve King just wanted everyone to know that no "other groups" have ever contributed to civilization

Just in case anyone still wasn't clear on the Republican platform
posted by schadenfrau at 3:33 PM on July 18, 2016 [18 favorites]


ArbitraryAndCapricious, the NeverTrumpers attempted to unbind the delegates and were blocked by chants of "USA!" and "WHO'S PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN?!"
posted by stolyarova at 3:33 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Oh, Steve King is literally the worst person in the world. Like, literally. He is too much of a wackadoo to be elected Senator in Iowa, and considering that we elected Joni Ernst, that's really saying something. He's a total out-of-control bigot, and he's also pretty stupid. It's a great combination.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 3:33 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


Well Steve King is an Iowan who has a Confederate flag on his desk.

his critics don’t understand the “real history of the Civil War” and that only a “small part of it was about slavery.” He claimed that nobody minded the Confederate flag until the past year or so when people starting using the flag as a “pretext in order to divide us.”
posted by readery at 3:34 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


Chris Hayes was literally like, "what the eff did he just say on air?"
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 3:34 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


Not to be confused with this Steve King:

The deal at the Republican convention appears to be this: Glass bottles prohibited; guns are OK. Welcome to the asylum.

posted by mandolin conspiracy at 3:35 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


I just watched a guy put eight pumps of ketchup on his hot dog. Trump bless.
posted by stolyarova at 3:36 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


can we ask corb to rate the grar on a scale of hurf durf to hoppita moppita

I am finally outside the convention center and sitting down with food with fellow #neverTrump (we are eating pizza so we don't have go to the dinner run by Trumpists because we can't right now) so I can step in here for a bit: hoppita moppita, with basically brownshirts in the aisles threatening us.

I am so glad I have the sanity and kindness of you all. I don't know what we're going to do yet. But I'm not going to give up. This is just the most awful thing ever.
posted by corb at 3:37 PM on July 18, 2016 [218 favorites]


corb, we don't know each other (I'm new here!), but thank you for everything you're doing.
posted by schadenfrau at 3:39 PM on July 18, 2016 [8 favorites]


Sending good vibes, corb. Thank you for fighting Trump.
posted by stolyarova at 3:39 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


corb: any chance of monkeying with the VP vote or anything like that?
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 3:39 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


Here's the video for Steve King's comments.
posted by zachlipton at 3:39 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


I'm glad you're safe, corb.
posted by Pope Guilty at 3:39 PM on July 18, 2016 [8 favorites]


Hey corb, thanks again for all of the updates. Take care of yourself.
posted by Salieri at 3:39 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


Also, as far as I'm concerned, corb, you're the best thing about this convention.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 3:40 PM on July 18, 2016 [61 favorites]


Good luck, corb. We support you.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 3:40 PM on July 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


Ugh. I had a busy day at work, and there is literally no way I can keep up with this tread. What did I miss?

The band covered "Eight Days a Week" as a slow shuffle.
posted by thelonius at 3:40 PM on July 18, 2016 [11 favorites]


Really grateful for your efforts, corb -- both for the insider view all along in this process and for what you're trying to do. Stay safe.
posted by scaryblackdeath at 3:41 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


Ohio does generally support corn, afaik, r317. ;)
posted by stolyarova at 3:41 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


Corb, I so admire your willingness to stand for what you believe in the face of such ugliness. Please stay safe and know that your mefi brethren are sending you all the good vibes we have!
posted by pupperduck at 3:42 PM on July 18, 2016 [8 favorites]


qcubed, no, really, he just implied that white people are the only people who have ever contributed anything to civilization.

I'm still not sure how this is different from most of his other comments. Remember, this is the racist piece of shit that said that Latinx individuals were all criminals before Trump did, said that racial profiling was a good thing, said that global warming was a good thing, and vociferously opposed marriage equality.

This guy's a bigot, and a popular and frequently quoted member of the GOP. He represents what the GOP has become just as much as Trump has.

Quelle surprise?
posted by qcubed at 3:42 PM on July 18, 2016 [9 favorites]


Chris Hayes blew it. He let one of the most racist statements I've ever seen on live TV just stand. That was fucking awful.
posted by Sophie1 at 3:42 PM on July 18, 2016 [14 favorites]


What the fuck did Steve King just say?

Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa):
"This whole white people business though does get a little tired, Charlie. I mean, I'd ask you to go back through history and figure out where are these contributions that have been made by these other categories of people that you are talking about. Where did any any other subgroup of people contribute more to civilization?"
posted by RichardP at 3:43 PM on July 18, 2016 [30 favorites]


A GOP House Representative saying unfathomably bigoted shit is about as regular as my morning bowel movements.
posted by qcubed at 3:44 PM on July 18, 2016 [11 favorites]


So Steve King has gone full-on white supremacist. Good to know. What a piece of shit.
posted by defenestration at 3:45 PM on July 18, 2016 [26 favorites]


but seriously, I would bet the Texas Dem delegation will look much the same.

But more browner.
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 3:46 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


A lot of masks are coming off this summer.
posted by yesster at 3:47 PM on July 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


Donald Trump Has a Bizarre Mix of Women Speaking at the RNC Convention
Trump’s campaign released the final list of people who will be speaking in Cleveland over the next few days. The list is long—70 people—and includes 24 women. While that’s more women than the 19 who spoke at the 2012 event, there are a few major differences between the women who were at the podium then versus now.

For starters, three of the female speakers this year are directly related to Trump: his wife, Melania, and his daughters Ivanka and Tiffany. Trump’s sons, Eric Trump and Donald J. Trump, Jr. will also be speaking. For comparison, the only one of Mitt Romney’s family members who spoke at the 2012 convention was his wife,[snip]

The presumptive GOP nominee has also invited Kerry Woolard, the general manager at Trump Winery; Lynne Patton, the VP of The Eric Trump Foundation; and Dr. Lisa Shin, an eye doctor and a member of the National Diversity Coalition for Trump.
Gee, you think his kids and employees will speak well of him?
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 3:48 PM on July 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


I can't begin to imagine being inside those walls - stay safe, corb.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 3:49 PM on July 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


Don't forget that Ted Cruz appointed King to be his national campaign co-chair. Vocal support for white supremacy was damn-near universal among the GOP candidates, and we shouldn't let that go unnoticed.
posted by zombieflanders at 3:50 PM on July 18, 2016 [49 favorites]


A lot of masks are coming off this summer.

The King in Orange wears no mask
posted by prize bull octorok at 3:50 PM on July 18, 2016 [38 favorites]



Colbert is currently (Facebook) live with the RNC ketchup and mustard station

Gripping stuff.


I've never seen anyone like that lady in the white dress take that long at a condiments station. I wanted to reach through the screen and hold her stuff for her so she could just slather her hot dog without worrying about her folders and her phone falling and touching what I could only imagine is a floor full of dashed hopes and tears of #nevertrump.
posted by numaner at 3:50 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


It's basically a lost cause, but if anyone wants to donate to Steve King's Democratic opponent, here she is.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 3:51 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


What happened to the "Benghazi Focus" anyway?
posted by tobascodagama at 3:53 PM on July 18, 2016


What happened to the "Benghazi Focus" anyway?

bite your tongue
posted by Existential Dread at 3:55 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


They're saving BENGHAZI for prime time, baby.
posted by tonycpsu at 3:55 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


Per the schedule posted by RichardP near the top of the thread, there's several speakers lined up tomorrow about the big B, including the mother of one of the four Americans that died. I have no fucking sympathy for her for doing this.
posted by numaner at 3:58 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


Just in case you could not wait for tonight's speeches, the RNC has released a few excerpts. This made me snort so hard I nearly chocked to death.
Willie Robertson

“We need a president who will have our back.

“I can promise you this: no matter who you are, DONALD TRUMP WILL HAVE YOUR BACK.

“If you’re looking for a job… or trying to grow a business… DONALD TRUMP WILL HAVE YOUR BACK.

“If you’re a serviceman fighting overseas… or a cop keeping us safe at home… DONALD TRUMP WILL HAVE YOUR BACK.

“If you’re an average American who feels like you’ve been forgotten… neglected by far away leaders… that the deck is stacked against you and you just can’t win… DONALD TRUMP WILL HAVE YOUR BACK.
Donald Trump will do what?
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 3:58 PM on July 18, 2016 [8 favorites]


Panic in the RNC: They're out of ketchup! Turns out "I've got mine" is a shitty ketchup allocation strategy.
posted by stolyarova at 3:59 PM on July 18, 2016 [20 favorites]


Chris Hayes blew it. He let one of the most racist statements I've ever seen on live TV just stand. That was fucking awful.

One of the other panelists looked like she was just about to jump through Hayes to respond. I kind of wish she had thrown an elbow and let fly (video).
posted by AndrewInDC at 4:00 PM on July 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


One of the other panelists

April Ryan.
posted by cashman at 4:02 PM on July 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


Thanks, I only saw the clip and didn't recognize her.
posted by AndrewInDC at 4:03 PM on July 18, 2016


jesus for a moment I confused Willie Nelson with Willie Robertson and was all Willie I thought you smoked doobies on the roof of the White House what happened man
posted by angrycat at 4:04 PM on July 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


Panic in the RNC: They're out of ketchup! Turns out "I've got mine" is a shitty ketchup allocation strategy.

I think the relish just ran out, too.

The Stadium Mustard is still plentiful, though.

Two food things I've learned about Cleveland today:

Polish Boy Sandwiches

and

Stadium Mustard.

So, there's been some upside to this whole shitshow.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 4:05 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


DONALD TRUMP WILL HAVE YOUR BACK.

OH REALLY. Guessing Donald Trump doesn't have my back though. What with me being a queer Muslim-American naturalized citizen, who is also a woman. Like, I'm pretty sure that is basically every single category of person whose back Donald Trump does not have at all.
posted by yasaman at 4:05 PM on July 18, 2016 [86 favorites]


April Ryan.

I can only ever think of this one when I hear that name.
posted by stolyarova at 4:05 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


And April Ryan is tweeting about the encounter right now.
posted by cashman at 4:05 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


Knowing Hayes, my guess is he thought that statement did a pretty good job of pointing out its own racism and white supremacism. I disagree in part; I mean, it does do that but he should have said something anyway.
posted by Justinian at 4:06 PM on July 18, 2016


“If you’re an average American who feels like you’ve been forgotten… neglected by far away leaders… that the deck is stacked against you and you just can’t win… DONALD TRUMP WILL HAVE YOUR BACK."

For some reason, I now have the A-Team theme running through my head.
posted by Pater Aletheias at 4:07 PM on July 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


AprilDRyan ‏@AprilDRyan

God and my family would have really gotten me. My mother said it is not what they call you but what you answer too.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 4:08 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


Per the schedule posted by RichardP near the top of the thread, there's several speakers lined up tomorrow about the big B, including the mother of one of the four Americans that died. I have no fucking sympathy for her for doing this.

Oh, fuck me, it's Vilerat's mom. Ugh.
posted by Pope Guilty at 4:08 PM on July 18, 2016 [17 favorites]


If that wasn't hilarious enough....here is an excerpt from Scott Baio's speech:
We can go for Hillary Clinton: who wants to continue the same policies that are wrecking this country. Policies that make us unsafe. A woman who somehow feels entitled to the presidency . . . that she is somehow owed it.”

“Or we can go for Donald Trump: A man doing this from the goodness of his heart and genuinely wants to help.
LOLOLOLOLO for days!

And I love how he sneers at Hillary "A woman who thinks she is entitled.." Unlike the self-crowned orange Jesus who just phones it in, Hillary Clinton has so far released 205 policy proposals
including obscure plans to cure Alzheimer’s disease, combat sexual assault on campus, promote small business, strengthen rural communities and support Americans with autism. Her eight-page blueprint for reducing energy waste in American buildings reflects her teacher’s-pet appetite for technocratic minutiae, pledging to “work with national code organizations like the ICC, ASHRAE, and IAPMO,” encourage federal mortgage agencies to consider energy savings in their underwriting and provide challenge grants to scale up innovative efficiency initiatives, “like GreenMountain Power’s eHome program in Vermont and the Roanoke Electric Coop’s UpGrade to Save program in North Carolina.”
I would say she is working her ass off trying to win our votes.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 4:09 PM on July 18, 2016 [56 favorites]


I'm so disappointed in Hayes. He should have kicked King off of the show. I also can't stand the "time's up" shit. Remember the other day when I lamented how Donald Trump just gets endless time to spew whatever the hell he wants to say? Then Steve King says some shit that is, as is being mentioned online, textbook white supremacy, and suddenly the black woman on the panel is out of time to respond. And I'm sure Rachel (who is on now) won't address it, and coverage is continuing on MSNBC like King didn't just say that unbelievable shit. It's disgusting.
posted by cashman at 4:09 PM on July 18, 2016 [35 favorites]


So apparently Kim Weaver, Steve King's Democratic opponent, is raking in the big bucks in donations right now. I don't want to know whether King is, too.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 4:09 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


Bunch a white people on MSNBC pretending it didn't happen

You sure that's the look you're going for Maddow
posted by schadenfrau at 4:13 PM on July 18, 2016 [13 favorites]


God, the grin on King's face when he says that -- it's like he knows he can only get away with such naked racism on television in a crazy year like this so he's taking his shot while he can.
posted by scaryblackdeath at 4:16 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


Meanwhile all of his history teachers are hanging their heads in shame.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 4:17 PM on July 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


While Donald Trump is experienced at doing all sorts of things behind people's backs, I wouldn't construe it as having their backs.
posted by ckape at 4:18 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


> Which horseman are we on?

Ignorance, riding the Orange Horse.
posted by Johann Georg Faust at 4:20 PM on July 18, 2016 [21 favorites]


Utah delegate threatened in RNC bathroom
According to NBC, Utah delegate Kera Birkeland was on the floor during the Rules vote as one of the delegates calling for a roll call vote.

Birkeland reportedly went to the women's restroom and when she emerged from a stall, a group of Trump supporters surrounded her and threatened to kill her, urging her to leave the party and the state.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 4:21 PM on July 18, 2016 [38 favorites]


Yeah, Littlefinger had Ned's back, too.
posted by eclectist at 4:22 PM on July 18, 2016 [13 favorites]


For anyone else who is interested (as I am) on getting a better feel for the political climate in 1968, I'll drop a few things that I've saved here (I haven't read or watched any of these yet, so can't vouch for anything):

Paris Review: Norman Mailer Reports on the Violent 1968 D.N.C. Protests

Atlantic: Is America Repeating the Mistakes of 1968?

Vox: “We’ve progressed and I don’t see it stopping”: why 1968 was still much worse than 2016

CSM: GOP convention: Why political violence, so far, isn't as bad as 1968

New Yorker: The history of crowd control, and the Cleveland convention

WaPo: Sorry, Donald Trump. It isn't 1968.

Mother Jones: Donald Trump's GOP Convention Will Be Nuts. But at Least It Won't Be Known as "the Klanbake."

American Experience: Chicago 1968
PBS: Ball of Confusion: The 1968 Presidential Election
Emile DeAntonio: 1968: America Is Hard To See (partial, more here)

stay safe, corb! And thanks for reporting back to us! :)
posted by triggerfinger at 4:25 PM on July 18, 2016 [15 favorites]


Goddammit, Bob Dole.
posted by Etrigan at 4:26 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Bob Dole and Donald Trump share the habit of referring to themselves, inexplicably and constantly, in the third person. Why?
posted by stolyarova at 4:28 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


"Birkeland reportedly went to the women's restroom and when she emerged from a stall, a group of Trump supporters surrounded her and threatened to kill her"

I can vividly imagine how terrifying this would be. This is the Trump campaign in a nutshell, to me. Why are bullies so popular?
posted by OnceUponATime at 4:28 PM on July 18, 2016 [8 favorites]


Bob Dole and Donald Trump share the habit of referring to themselves, inexplicably and constantly, in the third person. Why?

I wouldn't want to own up to being either one of those guys either.
posted by Rykey at 4:30 PM on July 18, 2016 [29 favorites]


Where did any any other subgroup of people contribute more to civilization?

Dude, Make America One Again night is Thursday.
posted by kirkaracha at 4:31 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


IIRC, Bob Dole's use of the third person stems from an incredibly old-timey style of modesty.
posted by The Gaffer at 4:33 PM on July 18, 2016


That piece about the Utah delegate receiving death threats when she went to the restroom strikes to the heart of my fears about this convention, and this election season.

Please don't let anything worse happen. That is plenty bad enough.
posted by Superplin at 4:35 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


I have grown somewhat fond of Dole in the past 20 years. Perhaps it's just my affection for the nearly-extinct breed of Bushwood Republicans.

#makeAmericaSmailsagain
posted by Senor Cardgage at 4:35 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


Where did any any other subgroup of people contribute more to civilization?

Quoting this comment verbatim is clearly misstating him, and pointing out that this comment is racist is stirring the pot with racially divisive sentiments. I blame Obama.
posted by leotrotsky at 4:35 PM on July 18, 2016 [14 favorites]


Yeah, Littlefinger had Ned's back, too.

To be completely fair, Littlefinger did warn Ned not to trust him. Trump, to my knowledge, has made no such disclaimers.
posted by nubs at 4:42 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


Uncanonical penetrant oblivion

If that means Trump (the "uncanonical penetrant") comes out of it badly, then... I hope so?
posted by iffthen at 4:43 PM on July 18, 2016


I think there's an implied "FOR DINNER" after "DONALD TRUMP WILL HAVE YOUR BACK."
posted by invitapriore at 4:44 PM on July 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


"I wouldn't want to own up to being either one of those guys either."

Slow clap.
posted by I-baLL at 4:44 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


April Ryan just posted a brief video (no sound) about her interaction with Steve King: "We are talking about the segment." Then she posted the full video (again, no sound) which is about 5 minutes long. Hopefully the tech issues get figured out and the video gets posted with sound.
posted by cashman at 4:44 PM on July 18, 2016


Is the underpants model speaking tonight? So much excitement!
posted by madamjujujive at 4:46 PM on July 18, 2016


She got it working - here's the video on Periscope.
posted by cashman at 4:46 PM on July 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


The CSPAN coverage of the rules vote and roll call demand was fantastic. I was not surprised to see the Trump run RNC behave like a bunch of fascists as they crushed the opposition.
posted by humanfont at 4:46 PM on July 18, 2016


Oh, Bob Dole looks so damn old. I feel for him.
posted by vrakatar at 4:46 PM on July 18, 2016


You guys are spelling Bobdole wrong.
posted by kirkaracha at 4:49 PM on July 18, 2016 [11 favorites]


I'm hoping it's dementia behind his support of Trump.
posted by leotrotsky at 4:54 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


Little girl got chops!
posted by vrakatar at 4:54 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


I'm starting to worry for Laurie Penny; she's covering this, and I haven't seen any tweets from her since the ones about the almost-empty “Women For Trump” session.
posted by acb at 4:54 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


As an aside, Mitt Romney has his problems, but good for him calling out Trump as the piece of shit that he is. Dole could take a lesson from that.
posted by leotrotsky at 4:55 PM on July 18, 2016 [9 favorites]


OK, taken out of context Steve King's remarks seem a little racist. But taken IN context, it's full-bore White Supremacy.
posted by Cookiebastard at 4:56 PM on July 18, 2016 [51 favorites]


*boar
posted by Potomac Avenue at 4:58 PM on July 18, 2016


So is anyone doing a Benghazi drinking game tonight because if so you might need to have a new liver on hand after tonight.
posted by vuron at 4:58 PM on July 18, 2016


"Birkeland reportedly went to the women's restroom and when she emerged from a stall, a group of Trump supporters surrounded her and threatened to kill her"

I can vividly imagine how terrifying this would be. This is the Trump campaign in a nutshell, to me. Why are bullies so popular?


In this case, at least, I think it's his coattails.
posted by Navelgazer at 4:59 PM on July 18, 2016


OK, taken out of context Steve King's remarks seem a little racist. But taken IN context, it's full-bore White Supremacy.

I think they probably made more sense in the original German.
posted by Justinian at 4:59 PM on July 18, 2016 [12 favorites]


please tell me the official RNC dinner is scheduled on a riverboat or something, so everyone can experience "a real Cleveland steamer"
posted by indubitable at 4:59 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]




taken IN context, it's full-bore White Supremacy.

I love that you can see the big-ass racist gears turning when the anchor clarifies "you're talking about white people?" and you can see him thinking "wait there's a euphemism i'm supposed to use for this one" and then he says "western" instead of "white"
posted by Greg Nog at 5:01 PM on July 18, 2016 [23 favorites]


I watched April and Joy start talking about the contributions of nonwhites in that video, and all I could think was of Toni Morrison in 1975:
"It’s important, therefore, to know who the real enemy is, and to know the function, the very serious function of racism, which is distraction. It keeps you from doing your work. It keeps you explaining over and over again, your reason for being. Somebody says you have no language and so you spend 20 years proving that you do. Somebody says your head isn’t shaped properly so you have scientists working on the fact that it is. Somebody says that you have no art so you dredge that up. Somebody says that you have no kingdoms and so you dredge that up. None of that is necessary. There will always be one more thing."
posted by cashman at 5:03 PM on July 18, 2016 [106 favorites]


so did 3 states actually withdraw their petition or was that all made up?
posted by localhuman at 5:03 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Nobody knows! That's the beauty of that maneuver.
posted by Justinian at 5:04 PM on July 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


There's some bad karaoke going on C-SPAN right now (backed by G.E. Smith, the creepy guitarist from SNL, and I'm guessing hanging out with Roger Waters on tour must have drove him to this)
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 5:04 PM on July 18, 2016


Man, hard cut right in the middle of the chorus on Happy Together. Got to make space for the Duck Dynasty fella.
posted by cortex at 5:05 PM on July 18, 2016


Steve King is back on MSNBC. No questions about his statement.
posted by Sophie1 at 5:05 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


I think they probably made more sense in the original German.

While I know its just a joke, it's kind of amazing that at this point Germany has been a voice of tolerance recently while America has been hurtling headlong into white supremacy.
posted by thefoxgod at 5:05 PM on July 18, 2016 [18 favorites]


Attention people in other countries, please don't watch this part, or any other part
posted by theodolite at 5:05 PM on July 18, 2016 [11 favorites]


AHHH Willie Nelson got caught in a teleporter with a Cambell's Soup Kid!
posted by vrakatar at 5:06 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


We have reached a turning point. The Colbert condiment table livestream has ended.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 5:06 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Chris Hayes blew it. He let one of the most racist statements I've ever seen on live TV just stand. That was fucking awful.

I came here to say that. To pull that "both sides too" counter-argument? You all need to do some math. Mainly because most of the math we know is because of Arabic scholars.
posted by dw at 5:06 PM on July 18, 2016 [32 favorites]


I'm not sure Trump would really be on board with this "we are a couple of ugly dudes" schtick.
posted by cortex at 5:06 PM on July 18, 2016


Aren't these Duck Dynasty personas complete put-ons for the camera? I'm pretty sure it's all an act.
posted by Justinian at 5:07 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


In the Periscope, Chris Hayes pretty much acknowledges blowing it.
posted by zachlipton at 5:07 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


Oh jesus this goddamn convention is just going to be an unfunny SNL bit from 2005, except four days long
posted by theodolite at 5:08 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]



Oh, fuck me, it's Vilerat's mom. Ugh.


Any chance she's going to get up there and go rogue? It's not like they're vetting anyone or anything.
posted by palmcorder_yajna at 5:09 PM on July 18, 2016


While I know its just a joke, it's kind of amazing that at this point Germany has been a voice of tolerance recently while America has been hurtling headlong into white supremacy.

I once saw an explanation that went something like “We Germans have fascism in our past; you Americans might have it in your future.”
posted by acb at 5:09 PM on July 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


Uh, what's the Periscope. I'm so out of it.
posted by Justinian at 5:09 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


So is the RNC willing to take off all the subtext and go full throated support for "Make America White Again?" Because that seems to be the main take away I'm getting.

Basically scare all the white men into fearing their loss of privilege and ride the racism into power.
posted by vuron at 5:09 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


One nice thing about everybody clearly picking sides is that it'll be very easy for the Cruzniks to put together their purge lists after Trump's inevitable defeat. Cruz folks are like Tracy Flick, no one likes them, but they are focused and relentless. And they're taking names.
posted by leotrotsky at 5:12 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


Vuron, are you posting that question from 2014? Because here in the future that already happened sorry dude.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 5:12 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


as a white person I personally think we could contribute to civilization by banishing Steve King from the solar system (or maybe at least the House of Representatives, just to start)

also thank you, corb, and good luck
posted by karayel at 5:13 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


But what does Joanie think?
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 5:14 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Who wrote Baio's speech, Ralph Malph?
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 5:14 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


Uh, what's the Periscope.

It's like Facebook Live without the Facebook.
posted by psoas at 5:15 PM on July 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


'ello Cleveland!
posted by snofoam at 5:15 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


God I hate the future. Wanted flying cars and immortality, got *#@* Facebook Live without the Facebook.
posted by Justinian at 5:15 PM on July 18, 2016 [15 favorites]


Well, looks like Scott Baio is just as awful in person as he is on Twitter.
posted by triggerfinger at 5:15 PM on July 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


Between now and the RNC becoming a viable national party again somebody is going to need to have a William F Buckley /John Birch Society moment and draw a line in the sand.
posted by leotrotsky at 5:16 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Scott Baio is just as awful in person as he is on Twitter.

Good match for Trump I guess.
posted by thefoxgod at 5:17 PM on July 18, 2016


What was with that random burst of "We are the Champions?"
posted by zachlipton at 5:18 PM on July 18, 2016


What was with that random burst of "We are the Champions?"

Your only moment of genuine delight for the next 72 hours
posted by theodolite at 5:19 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


A friend of mine just started a job with Fusion Media. He stepped off of a plane from Sydney via LA yesterday. In Cleveland. It's his first day on the job, and he's covering the RNC.

He's not impressed: National Political Conventions Are Stupid.
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 5:20 PM on July 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


Is Marcus Luttrell legitimately drunk? Not joking.
posted by penduluum at 5:20 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]




NPR says the three states withdrawing from the roll call vote petition were DC, Minnesota, and Iowa.
posted by veerat at 5:22 PM on July 18, 2016


Well on the bright side I guess this will confirm that there is no reptilian conspiracy at work because if there was I would think they would be less inept in their selection of a spokesperson. I mean I guess they could be purposely losing this election in order to achieve their long term goals kind of like a long con but really why would they go through all of that effort?
posted by vuron at 5:22 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


Honest question, is this guy on coke?
posted by Tarumba at 5:23 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


Where did any any other subgroup of people contribute more to civilization?

I mean, belatedly and just off the top of my head, about 60 percent of the food I eat was first cultivated by Native Americans,
posted by maxsparber at 5:23 PM on July 18, 2016 [19 favorites]


A friend of mine just started a job with Fusion Media.

I always get Fusion mixed up with Quartz. AJ+ has the little "plus sign" so it's a little easier to tell apart.
posted by My Dad at 5:24 PM on July 18, 2016


That was... awkward and terrifying.
posted by gatorae at 5:24 PM on July 18, 2016


pendulum, just googled him because of that. maybe he's...nervous? he's been crying? what is even happening right now

ironically, this maybe drunk, maybe coked-up but definitely emotional vet is a more effective speaker than anyone else

he's gonna run for office
posted by schadenfrau at 5:25 PM on July 18, 2016


Oh god, Patricia Smith. Sean Smith "Vilerat" would not, I think, be happy about this.
posted by Justinian at 5:25 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


Well, this is going weird and dark.
posted by The Gaffer at 5:26 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


This does not strike me as an appropriate thing to be doing at the RNC.
posted by Justinian at 5:27 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


standing ovation for the retired navy seal who had something going on

(I really hope it's not PTSD)

I honestly think he just announced a political career
posted by schadenfrau at 5:28 PM on July 18, 2016


The Something Awful forums have a thread entitled "Got a crazy forwarded political email from your family? Post them here."

The woman speaking now is -- quite literally -- the first one quoted in that thread.
posted by delfin at 5:28 PM on July 18, 2016 [12 favorites]


Funny how we all jumped to a different culture that has contributed. My first thought was "I guess he never took Asian History in school." I mean noodles and gunpowder, come on! <--- just kidding, I live for silk.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 5:29 PM on July 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


Well, this was sickening.
posted by Justinian at 5:29 PM on July 18, 2016


This is vile and sad.
posted by schadenfrau at 5:29 PM on July 18, 2016


The Something Awful forums have a thread entitled "Got a crazy forwarded political email from your family? Post them here."

The woman speaking now is -- quite literally -- the first one quoted in that thread.


Yeah, her son started that thread, which tells you how long it's been going.

And how horrified he'd be by this.
posted by Pope Guilty at 5:30 PM on July 18, 2016 [34 favorites]


Hey can some of you all give a little context for what you're commenting on for those of us not watching?

fascinated and yet so confused
posted by Salieri at 5:30 PM on July 18, 2016 [8 favorites]


Oh jesus. This is just the first day of this.
posted by octothorpe at 5:31 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


Hell, I'm watching and I'm confused, but then again PBS keeps cutting away fro the speeches.
posted by noneuclidean at 5:32 PM on July 18, 2016


Wow, the mom speech was hard to watch. Yikes.
posted by bongo_x at 5:32 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


i guess people are watching https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mq5hrUDoYo or similar?
posted by andrewcooke at 5:33 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


posted by triggerfinger Well, looks like Scott Baio is just as awful in person as he is on Twitter.

TV idea: Donnie Loves Chachi
posted by mattdidthat at 5:33 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


Jesus, this whole thing. Fucking Benghazi. They're so far gone. One of only two major parties, just out-there gone.
posted by triggerfinger at 5:33 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


Sorry Salieri. The mother of Sean Smith (diplomat killed in Benghazi) blames Hilary 100% for her son's death and that she pulled the forces away and lied. She says her son told her the night BEFORE that he felt he was going to die the next day because they took everyone way, and that he asked why and got no response. Going to need to see some citations there.

This raw appeal to emotion- do these fucking assholes not understand all this rage and hatred gets us nowhere? That getting a bunch of angry right-wingers more worked up than they need to be only leads to bad things? So disgusted.
posted by andruwjones26 at 5:34 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


If you actually want to watch you can live stream here
posted by quaking fajita at 5:34 PM on July 18, 2016


@owillis: whenever rnc cheers a veteran tonight, remember their nominee made fun of a vietnam POW for "getting captured"
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 5:34 PM on July 18, 2016 [27 favorites]


OK: Patricia Smith, mother of Sean "vilerat" Smith (well known EVE player) gave a very raw speech. Smith was the IT guy killed in Benghazi. Smith essentially went out and called Clinton a murderer and a criminal who should be in prison. She says she holds Clinton personally responsible for Smith's death. And so on. It was just sickening.
posted by Justinian at 5:34 PM on July 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


I'm watching MSNBC.
posted by bongo_x at 5:34 PM on July 18, 2016


https://www.twitch.tv/gopconvention: Twitch is broadcasting it, too.
posted by theraflu at 5:34 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


I'm watching the twitch stream because having kappa spam scrolling past at 300 mph feels correct, somehow
posted by theodolite at 5:34 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


I would love to think that 5 minutes of an openly grieving mother failing to come to terms with the death of her son and lashing out in that grief and pain would be the worst and hardest thing to watch during this convention, but I'm not hopeful.
posted by Copronymus at 5:35 PM on July 18, 2016 [36 favorites]


I find this disturbing in the extreme. I hope the last two speakers have the support they need to work through their grief and other emotions. No person of character would exploit the emotions of these people for this purpose.
posted by sallybrown at 5:35 PM on July 18, 2016 [11 favorites]


C-SPAN is streaming (requires Flash)
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 5:35 PM on July 18, 2016


Upon further reflection: they understand that perfectly, and that's why that grotesque use of playing with people's emotions (and the facts) has been an intentional strategy of using hatred and violence to GOTV. The party of anger indeed.
posted by andruwjones26 at 5:35 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


I know a lot of you guys don't like Chris Matthews. Personally, I kind of do. But dude is clearly angry as hell about the Patricia Smith thing. He is Not Happy.
posted by Justinian at 5:36 PM on July 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


I didn't think I could be more disgusted by the Republican party.

I can't believe I was wrong.
posted by schadenfrau at 5:36 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


is that a grey and black digital camo sports jacket?
posted by andrewcooke at 5:36 PM on July 18, 2016


If you follow Washington Post on Facebook, they are livestreaming, too.
posted by gatorae at 5:36 PM on July 18, 2016


Thank you, andruwjones26! I appreciate it. I'm trying to keep track of live updates from various sources, but Metafilter has sort of become my election home.

God, this whole thing is just so sick-making.

(Thank you, everyone.)
posted by Salieri at 5:37 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


Here's Joy Reid following up backstage with Chris Hayes and April Ryan.

I fully believe that to try and "debate" something that racist is just giving in to the gaslighting.
posted by billyfleetwood at 5:37 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


This is like sitting next to the worst person on the bus over and over
posted by theodolite at 5:37 PM on July 18, 2016 [10 favorites]


Audience just cheered the Benghazi dude for shooting some dude.
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 5:37 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


posted by Copronymus I would love to think that 5 minutes of an openly grieving mother failing to come to terms with the death of her son and lashing out in that grief and pain would be the worst and hardest thing to watch during this convention, but I'm not hopeful.

Apparently Rudy Giuliani and someone from Duck Dynasty are going to speak. It's like a Klan rally without the hoods and bedsheets.
posted by mattdidthat at 5:38 PM on July 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


tampon. classy.
posted by quonsar II: smock fishpants and the temple of foon at 5:39 PM on July 18, 2016


There's not a word for people who directly turn the grief of those who have lost lived ones into political currency, but there should be.
posted by The Gaffer at 5:39 PM on July 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


When did Chris Matthews become more willing to call bullshit than Rachel Maddow?

What the ever loving fuck is this timeline
posted by schadenfrau at 5:39 PM on July 18, 2016 [15 favorites]


They're cheering people's deaths.
posted by octothorpe at 5:39 PM on July 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


I am listening to this on my headphones in a library where a three-year-old is throwing a shrieking, hysterical fit and things seem to have taken a very dismal, dark, postapocalyptic turn.
posted by mynameisluka at 5:40 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


Who needs hoods and bedsheets? Apparently in 2016 you can say this shit on live TV and it's perfectly acceptable.
posted by gatorae at 5:41 PM on July 18, 2016 [13 favorites]


These guys are disgusting. Tampon jokes, likening killing terrorists to a game of "whack-a-mole."

Weirdly, MSNBC doesn't seem to be showing it either.
posted by zachlipton at 5:41 PM on July 18, 2016


Did he just seriously compare killing people to a boardwalk arcade game? Disgusting.
posted by noneuclidean at 5:41 PM on July 18, 2016


C-SPAN is streaming (requires Flash)

May also require a cable or satellite subscription.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 5:42 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


@mirandacgreen: Trump on Fox says he's going to give his wife Melania "a very, quick, brief introduction"

I knew he wouldn't be able to stay off the stage. Ok how much time is he going to spend talking about himself and how often is he going to mention her looks?
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 5:43 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


Trump just did an interview on Fox. Opposite some speeches. He is literally counter-programming against his own convention. That's how badly he needs everything to be about him.
posted by Justinian at 5:43 PM on July 18, 2016 [64 favorites]


Good for MSNBC for not exploiting this woman.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 5:43 PM on July 18, 2016


Make America Literally as Awful as it Could Possibly Be!
posted by snofoam at 5:44 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


Corb: This is just the most awful thing ever.

For once, there's a chance that this isn't hyperbole. Who (other than historians) can explain the political manœuvring that was going on in Germany in 1932? Hitler's path to power was highly contingent; it was by no means assured; but ineffective and divided opposition and short-sighted decisions by senior politicians gave him the chance to establish himself; and then it was too late for anyone to change their minds.
posted by Joe in Australia at 5:44 PM on July 18, 2016 [29 favorites]


TL:DR: USA! USA! USA!
posted by Rykey at 5:44 PM on July 18, 2016


My last comment is regarding the meatheads on C-SPAN right now. Sorry, keep forgetting not everyone's tuned in to the same thing.
posted by Rykey at 5:46 PM on July 18, 2016


What a glory to be Newt Gingrich today. So few people get to witness their legacy first-hand.
posted by Navelgazer at 5:47 PM on July 18, 2016 [10 favorites]


The house band is covering Bowie's Station to Station and they actually left in the line "it's not the side effects of the cocaine" because we live in a joke world in a joke reality and everything is one unaware hilarious moment after the next.
posted by item at 5:47 PM on July 18, 2016 [14 favorites]


The RNC has a live YouTube page:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCj1GtPpxuUB_MpUzpBty3dg

This is the RNC channel. Just click on the featured "video". It's the RNC live with no commentary and cameras on the stage 90%+ of the time.
posted by newgrl at 5:47 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


"If I go out, I want to go out in a blaze of glory" got the first applause in what feels like nine hours but was probably five minutes
posted by theodolite at 5:48 PM on July 18, 2016


I can't beleive I'm missing WWE RAW for this.

OH WOW COOL CLINTON AD ON MSNBC RIGHT NOW.
posted by vrakatar at 5:49 PM on July 18, 2016


Things have really gone downhill since Garrison Keillor retired, huh?
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 5:49 PM on July 18, 2016 [8 favorites]


OH WOW COOL CLINTON AD ON MSNBC RIGHT NOW.

Bit of preaching to the choir there though. Not a lot of Trumpsters watching MSNBC I bet.
posted by Justinian at 5:49 PM on July 18, 2016


Pretty sure that choir is primed to sing right about now, though.
posted by Navelgazer at 5:51 PM on July 18, 2016


The moment we were all waiting for: the RNC crowd applauds "Qaddafi loyalists".
posted by Copronymus at 5:52 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


Seems like Benghazi was God's fault then?
posted by nom de poop at 5:52 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


I can't beleive I'm missing WWE RAW for this.

This is where a 4-tuner Tivo DVR comes in super handy. Change tuner, back up a few minutes, catch up, repeat.
posted by dnash at 5:53 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Seems like Benghazi was God's fault then?

Sometimes things are nobody's fault.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 5:54 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


Has anyone hit anyone with a chair yet?
posted by Artw at 5:55 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]



Aren't these Duck Dynasty personas complete put-ons for the camera


As a great twentieth century observer of humanity said, "we are that which we pretend to be".
posted by nubs at 5:55 PM on July 18, 2016 [13 favorites]


MAKE BENGHAZI SAFE AGAIN!
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 5:57 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


I like that MSNBC has followed up on the grieving Benghazi mother's speech by completely debunking the narrative of events she presented. Sadly, I doubt any other network is doing this thorough a job of putting that whole shit show into reality perspective.
posted by dnash at 5:57 PM on July 18, 2016 [27 favorites]


Sometimes things are nobody's fault.

Yeah, champ. You're right. *gazes into middle distance* You're right.
posted by nom de poop at 5:58 PM on July 18, 2016


Is this the exploitation porn portion of the evening? Or is that the entire convention?
posted by mynameisluka at 5:59 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


I mean, even the republican strategist on television is calling it "the weaponization of grief"
posted by schadenfrau at 5:59 PM on July 18, 2016 [19 favorites]


Re Hillary ads preaching to the choir - can't remember where I heard it but a good part of this strategy is to troll and bait Trump. Apparently these ads really get under his skin and push his "attack" buttons.
posted by madamjujujive at 5:59 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


I can't beleive I'm missing WWE RAW for this.

Enzo Amore is giving a better speech right now than anything you'd see on the other channel.
posted by delfin at 5:59 PM on July 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


There's not a word for people who directly turn the grief of those who have lost lived ones into political currency, but there should be

It is called "waving the bloody shirt"
posted by thelonius at 5:59 PM on July 18, 2016 [23 favorites]


Ultimately, the person responsible for the events at Benghazi (besides the terrorists obviously) was Ambassador Chris Stevens. Nobody says that because he died and they liked him and it's terrible to say. But it's true. He insisted on going back to Benghazi even though he knew the security situation was untenable.

You can't really blame the dead guy, though. Even if it is true.
posted by Justinian at 6:00 PM on July 18, 2016 [20 favorites]


obama failed blabla ultimate sacrifice blabla goLd star mother blabla i do not like these people. at all.
posted by quonsar II: smock fishpants and the temple of foon at 6:00 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


Sorry if this was provided upthread, but anybody got a link to online access to the MSNBC live feed? I don't have cable.
posted by Rykey at 6:01 PM on July 18, 2016


I wonder if/how reactions to that Pat Smith speech will affect these plans for the Dem convention?
posted by billyfleetwood at 6:01 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


"Our rights have been trumpled." Whoooooops, Antonio.
posted by mynameisluka at 6:02 PM on July 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


Finally I can watch live coverage, and I had to pause it because I just can't deal with seeing this live. I'm enjoying some of the comments on the NY Times live updates regarding the current interminable Benghazi loss of momentum:
Maggie Haberman

Feels a bit like a concert where people drift out at certain songs.

Nick Confessore

Yeah. This is the point in the Rolling Stones concert where Mick would go, "Hey, we're going to play something from the new record," and everyone gets up to go to the bathroom.
posted by Salieri at 6:02 PM on July 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


In Arizona there are only one and a half agents per ten square miles.


Square miles?
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 6:02 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Hey, it's the soap-opera guy!
posted by box at 6:02 PM on July 18, 2016


Marine Todd was ready to go to the rescue but Clinton ordered him to stand down.
posted by Artw at 6:02 PM on July 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


I just listened to it a few times and it really sounded like he (Antonio Sabato Jr) said our rights have been Trumpled.
posted by thefoxgod at 6:02 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Current speaker started out by saying the power of Christ compelled him to speak. Hopefully this is secretly a mass exorcism and everyone is about to come to their senses.
posted by Drinky Die at 6:03 PM on July 18, 2016 [17 favorites]


Enzo Amore is giving a better speech right now than anything you'd see on the other channel.

Anyone on earth would give a better speech than those two Benghazi guys, because that was possibly the most tedious account of a unique and genuinely terrifying experience that it is possible to give.
posted by Copronymus at 6:04 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


corb:

"In the halls, guy with a wheelchair trying to get through. I call 'make a hole' so they can let him through. Lady says 'what makes him special?' I point out he's in a wheelchair. She says 'so what?' She is, of course, a Trump voter.

Also, they are having people sit down unless they are holding Trump signs."
posted by cooker girl at 6:04 PM on July 18, 2016 [103 favorites]


Sorry, Antonio Sabato Jr. You're not in just your underwear, so I'm not watching your "speech."
posted by dnash at 6:04 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


It's a parade of dead people's parents FFS.
posted by quonsar II: smock fishpants and the temple of foon at 6:05 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Another grieving mother used as a political tool. It's....just too much. How little shame these people have. So an illegal alien killing your son....is Obama/Clinton's fault.

What is going on anymore. The 2 Americas we inhabit are so different, they might as well be different countries
posted by andruwjones26 at 6:06 PM on July 18, 2016 [14 favorites]


In the halls, guy with a wheelchair trying to get through. I call 'make a hole' so they can let him through. Lady says 'what makes him special?' I point out he's in a wheelchair. She says 'so what?'

Someone I know said something very similar to me a few years back and (after I audibly gasped) it ended our friendship.

He was the first person I knew personally who voted for Trump.
posted by sallybrown at 6:06 PM on July 18, 2016 [27 favorites]


It should be noted that the DNC is going to have its share of grieving parents trotted out.
posted by Justinian at 6:07 PM on July 18, 2016 [19 favorites]


I fucking despise immigrants who are against illegal immigration. You know that when they say everyone can come legally they are talking about middle class people.

They know how expensive and hard it is and how literally impossible it is for poor people to even get an interview at the embassy. They also know how desperate illegal immigrants are to make a living and to have a chance for a better life.
posted by Tarumba at 6:07 PM on July 18, 2016 [14 favorites]


In the halls, guy with a wheelchair trying to get through. I call 'make a hole' so they can let him through. Lady says 'what makes him special?' I point out he's in a wheelchair. She says 'so what?'

Clinton put him there.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 6:08 PM on July 18, 2016


*Sling Blade voice*

"Some people calls 'em illegal immigrants, I call 'em illegal aliens..."
posted by Rykey at 6:08 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Another seventy to eighty thousand more of these stories, and I'm going to start thinking that undocumented immigrants might be statistically more likely to commit crimes...
posted by uosuaq at 6:10 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


Watching this on MSNBC, does anyone know what the neon green hats mean? I saw a lot of them on the never trumpers.
posted by dis_integration at 6:10 PM on July 18, 2016


It is called "waving the bloody shirt"

Whoa, I thought you were kidding. You were not. Weird context too.
posted by gwint at 6:10 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


35 days. that's about what they give 5-DUI drunk-ass white trash when they kill someone while behind the wheel too. that's got fuck-all to do with obama.
posted by quonsar II: smock fishpants and the temple of foon at 6:10 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


I really hope that when all the votes have been tallied, more than half of all white votes will have gone against Trump and the nastiness that is the current GOP.
posted by qcubed at 6:10 PM on July 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


It should be noted that the DNC is going to have its share of grieving parents trotted out.

To me the difference is - is there an actual basis for the trotting out of grieving parents? The Republican narrative of Benghazi has been proven false over and over and over. The narrative of racist police shooting black people has not.
posted by dnash at 6:11 PM on July 18, 2016 [18 favorites]


I switched over to RAW you guys. I love Enzo and Cass.
posted by vrakatar at 6:11 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


So, a vote for Clinton is a vote for undocumented immigrants getting in car accidents with cops?
Great. Thanks, planet.
posted by lkc at 6:12 PM on July 18, 2016


I would hope the DNC grieving mothers are at least grounded in some factual reality about GOP policies being responsible for their deaths. Like- the NRA not letting any sort of gun control through and countless Americans continuing to be shot down at a rate that no other civilized 1st world country has to deal with.

Using any sort of emotional appeal like this is appalling, and I would prefer the Democrats not have to use it. But what I've just seen- my goodness, an illegal alien accidentally kills someone with their car, and we use this to justify kicking out all the illegals? Every time you think Trump's piss stain on this party and country can't make it any worse, just keeps getting lower. There is no bottom.
posted by andruwjones26 at 6:13 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


"We all know, Hillary is Obama's third term!"
Yeah. Sign me up!
posted by lkc at 6:13 PM on July 18, 2016 [43 favorites]


"Build a wall" chant fizzled before it could get started? I'm disappointed.
posted by Rykey at 6:13 PM on July 18, 2016


"Trump is sent from God."
Yes, a plague seems like a good comparison.
posted by uosuaq at 6:15 PM on July 18, 2016 [47 favorites]


What was the "35 days" bite?
posted by Navelgazer at 6:15 PM on July 18, 2016


Hey! There's Chris Christie! Maybe Trump needed him to go grab some takeout or something.
posted by Justinian at 6:15 PM on July 18, 2016 [9 favorites]


That was the most awkward USA chant I've ever seen. Dear God.
posted by gatorae at 6:16 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


I'm honestly scared that after 4 days of being wound up like this, a bunch of these people are going to go out and start beating the shit out of anyone that doesn't look like their image of a traditional and wholesome white Christian American.
posted by zombieflanders at 6:17 PM on July 18, 2016 [27 favorites]


I'm not watching any of this, but it seems like the whole thing just is an excuse for a lot of people to wallow in their own crapulence.
posted by nubs at 6:18 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


theodolite: "Oh jesus this goddamn convention is just going to be an unfunny SNL bit from 2005, except four days long"

A MadTV bit from 1997, actually.
posted by Rhaomi at 6:18 PM on July 18, 2016 [18 favorites]


a bunch of these people are going to go out and

start yelling at clouds.
posted by quonsar II: smock fishpants and the temple of foon at 6:18 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


Must be a pretty nice open bar back there in the green room.
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 6:19 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


I'm honestly scared that after 4 days of being wound up like this, a bunch of these people are going to go out and start beating the shit out of anyone that doesn't look like their image of a traditional and wholesome white Christian American.

That's precisely why I can't just relax and enjoy the popcorn.
posted by Superplin at 6:19 PM on July 18, 2016 [11 favorites]


I'm honestly scared that after 4 days of being wound up like this

i can't imagine they're going to wait 4 whole days
posted by poffin boffin at 6:20 PM on July 18, 2016 [15 favorites]


The anti-Muslim rhetoric goes on and on and on.
posted by zarq at 6:20 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


I'm honestly scared that after 4 days of being wound up like this, a bunch of these people are going to go out and start beating the shit out of anyone that doesn't look like their image of a traditional and wholesome white Christian American.

I view this as an inevitability. My fear is that it won't take four days.
posted by Pope Guilty at 6:20 PM on July 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


I'm sort of viscerally dreading Melania Trump - what this night has been leading up to, what she's going to say, what the reaction to her is going to be, just the whole thing. This convention is so ugly and depressing so far, and there are too many people out there on both the left and the right who have no shame about letting their misogyny out when it's "deserved". Shades of Palin, I guess.
posted by Salieri at 6:21 PM on July 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


Steve King is back on MSNBC. No questions about his statement.

Print and television media are normalizing racist behavior to a degree I've never seen before. It would perhaps only be scarier if it was Cruz who was the nominee.
posted by a lungful of dragon at 6:21 PM on July 18, 2016 [32 favorites]


For once, there's a chance that this isn't hyperbole. Who (other than historians) can explain the political manœuvring that was going on in Germany in 1932? Hitler's path to power was highly contingent; it was by no means assured; but ineffective and divided opposition and short-sighted decisions by senior politicians gave him the chance to establish himself; and then it was too late for anyone to change their minds.

A notable minority of historians are of the opinion that Hitler was basically winging it, which fits the Don to a T.
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 6:21 PM on July 18, 2016 [8 favorites]


And now we have "Blue Lives Matter" from a Sheriff.
posted by lkc at 6:25 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Ugh here comes the "Blue Lives Matter" stuff...
And cheering acquittal of Brian Rice.
posted by thefoxgod at 6:26 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


That guy is really pumped that Brian Rice was not charged. Even Twitch chat thinks this is gross.
posted by knuckle tattoos at 6:27 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Oh you guys aren't gonna like this dude.
posted by Drinky Die at 6:27 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


Print and television media are normalizing racist behavior to a degree I've never seen before.


I was really surprised by Hayes' response to King's comments in the moment. "We're not debating Western Civilization here" felt to me like he just wanted the awkward moment to go away and was exactly the wrong way to manage the situation.

Per his tweets, though, his intent was apparently more along the lines of "let's not dignify this with a response." I don't know though, he did sort of make a response which was that Western Civilization includes Hitler and Stalin too, which isn't the same as refuting the idea that white people are the only people who have ever done anything worthwhile.
posted by pocketfullofrye at 6:27 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]




And now we have "Blue Lives Matter" from a Sheriff.

Funny how nobody's screaming "ALL LIVES MATTER" at him, isn't it?
posted by Pope Guilty at 6:28 PM on July 18, 2016 [85 favorites]


There are more African American speakers than delegates.
posted by Sophie1 at 6:28 PM on July 18, 2016 [11 favorites]


As usual, thank you to MetaFilter for being the pinhole camera that allows so many of us to safely observe this grotesque spectacle.
posted by tonycpsu at 6:29 PM on July 18, 2016 [90 favorites]


For once, there's a chance that this isn't hyperbole. Who (other than historians) can explain the political manœuvring that was going on in Germany in 1932? Hitler's path to power was highly contingent; it was by no means assured; but ineffective and divided opposition and short-sighted decisions by senior politicians gave him the chance to establish himself; and then it was too late for anyone to change their minds.

I've seen a bunch of journalists on Twitter, many of whom are Jewish, bringing up the Dolchstoßlegende. And, yeah, I think what we're seeing live on TV right now: "illegals" (by which they obviously mean Latinx and Hispanic people), Muslims, and presumably at some point black folks destroying the country so that they can kill you, violate your family, and steal your money.
posted by zombieflanders at 6:29 PM on July 18, 2016 [14 favorites]


I wonder if David Clarke will address the fact that the men who murdered the police officers in Dallas and Baton Rouge were Marines. Surely they'll follow the same logic they apply to immigration and move to ban the Marines.
posted by AtoBtoA at 6:30 PM on July 18, 2016 [34 favorites]


Way to conflate Occupy and BLM with the recent murders of police officers, asshole.
posted by Rykey at 6:30 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


"America will fire the last shot."

Yup, at this point sounds like the most likely way the world ends- Short temper Donny getting upset about Putin making fun of his manhood or whatever and unleashing the nuclear arsenal. Trump won't resist the chance to fire the last shot.

And now a black cop validating hate against Black Lives Matters...this night is turning into more of a nightmare than I could have imagined. And there's still 3 more days of this.

(Through all this vile and grotesque shit, I'm eternally grateful for the comforting and sane commentary on this site. As a longtime lurker and occasional commenter, I've always been relieved to see the moderate and well-reasoned comments/discourse reminding me that not everyone shares the same values we would see in Trump's America.)
posted by andruwjones26 at 6:30 PM on July 18, 2016 [11 favorites]


What is the chanting? I can't make it out.
posted by The corpse in the library at 6:31 PM on July 18, 2016


This guy was on CNN last night saying all kinds of crazy shit.
posted by snuffleupagus at 6:31 PM on July 18, 2016


I can't figure out his argument, beyond "I want Trump to be president."
posted by The corpse in the library at 6:32 PM on July 18, 2016


This guy was on CNN last night saying all kinds of crazy shit.

Link, if anybody is interested. But it will just make you angry. I don't recommend it.
posted by Drinky Die at 6:32 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


What is the chanting? I can't make it out.

"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
posted by Pope Guilty at 6:32 PM on July 18, 2016 [95 favorites]


Way to conflate Occupy and BLM with the recent murders of police officers, asshole.

For those who may not have heard of this guy, this is his whole schtick. He called BLM "black slime," which is actually further than most white critics that get interviewed on primetime news shows go.
posted by zombieflanders at 6:32 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


How scared are you if you live in Milwaukee and then have to listen to this guy give this speech?
posted by sallybrown at 6:32 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


As usual, thank you to MetaFilter for being the pinhole camera that allows so many of us to safely observe this grotesque spectacle

You guys owe me at least a 12-pack and a new liver when this is done FYI
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 6:32 PM on July 18, 2016 [9 favorites]


Exactly the same as I was before, unfortunately.
posted by The Gaffer at 6:33 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


America will fire the last shot.

Probably something like this. (Technically the second to last, but who's counting?)
posted by gimonca at 6:34 PM on July 18, 2016


America Wanks: 2016
posted by tonycpsu at 6:34 PM on July 18, 2016


Are the Duffys presenting a Daytime Emmy or something? This banter format is not working for me.
posted by knuckle tattoos at 6:34 PM on July 18, 2016


Ah, it was "Blue lives matter."

*throws pillow at TV*
posted by The corpse in the library at 6:35 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


How in the hell is Don Lemon still employed by CNN?
posted by zarq at 6:35 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


Nobody is above the law! [except police officers]
posted by gatorae at 6:35 PM on July 18, 2016 [13 favorites]


Here's something I wasn't expecting to say: I feel really sorry for Don Lemon.
posted by penduluum at 6:35 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Tavis Smiley on MSNBC: "You could call the Boston Tea Party anarchy, but we wouldn't be here without it."
posted by Drinky Die at 6:36 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


How in the hell is Brian Williams still employed by MSNBC? Seriously, though.
posted by sallybrown at 6:37 PM on July 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


Tavis Smiley on MSNBC: "You could call the Boston Tea Party anarchy, but we wouldn't be here without it."

#RoomTemperatureTakes
posted by tonycpsu at 6:37 PM on July 18, 2016 [8 favorites]


Sheriff Clarke is a sovereign citizen sympathizer, like the Baton Rouge cop killer. Same ideology.
posted by Floydd at 6:38 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


I can't prove it, but I have it on good authority that those Duff people have a shed full of cat skins out in the woods.
posted by lkc at 6:38 PM on July 18, 2016


As a saltine-bland bone white honkey, I am realllllly looking forward to us white people no longer being a majority in this country.
These people on that stage tonight are not my people.
These people are garbage people.
posted by Senor Cardgage at 6:39 PM on July 18, 2016 [79 favorites]


How in the hell is Brian Williams still employed by MSNBC? Seriously, though.

They make him work 18 hour days
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 6:39 PM on July 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


I don't know who this current guy is but no one is laughing at his jokes.
posted by quaking fajita at 6:40 PM on July 18, 2016


Christ, I want to chuckle with the smug assurance that this whole debacle gets the savaging it deserves in the press tomorrow. But I think the dread in the pit of my stomach is telling me I'm better assured that this shitshow is going to energize a whole new wave of ugliness in this country.
posted by Rykey at 6:40 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


Ooop! There's the All Lives Matter.

Maybe I should have made bingo cards.
posted by lkc at 6:41 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Oh man I started watching this for the hilarious Trumpster Fire shitshow fireworks

and now I'm just terrified

they're going to get people killed. this is as close to incitement to violence as I've ever seen from a political party on television
posted by schadenfrau at 6:41 PM on July 18, 2016 [18 favorites]


I'm enjoying the discussion from the NPR / PBS table. They're trying so hard to be polite, but Gwen Ifill keeps cracking up.
posted by The corpse in the library at 6:42 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


"Law enforcement would prefer to police itself, but also there are too many baby daddys."
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 6:43 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Okay the 12-man tag team match is over, I'm back on MSNBC. Doesn't the spouse usually introduce the nominee just before the acceptance speech?
posted by vrakatar at 6:45 PM on July 18, 2016


Tom Cotton is a parody, right? He's escaped from 30 Rock?
posted by The corpse in the library at 6:46 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


Pope Guilty's comment reminded me of an old Daily Show Colbert bit from a previous Republican convention.
posted by uosuaq at 6:46 PM on July 18, 2016


"Law enforcement would prefer to police itself, but also there are too many baby daddys."

Please tell me that's an ironic paraphrase.
posted by tonycpsu at 6:46 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


I finally learned the origin of "Short-fingered vulgarian" and wasn't disappointed!

It occurs to me that a Hillary-versus-The-Donald face off for the Oval Office is probably the kind of thing that 1993 Spy would be all over.
posted by ricochet biscuit at 6:46 PM on July 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


Ugh. You could just get up and read newspaper comments and email forwards out loud for four hours and it wouldn't be much different than this convention.
posted by octothorpe at 6:46 PM on July 18, 2016 [9 favorites]


Imagine the reaction if the DNC had done a "Beirut night" blaming Reagan for the deaths of 241 US soldiers.
posted by T.D. Strange at 6:47 PM on July 18, 2016 [66 favorites]


"Law enforcement would prefer to police itself, but also there are too many baby daddys."

Nope, unfortunately that's a direct paraphrase (from Sheriff David Clarke Jr.)
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 6:48 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


Doesn't the spouse usually introduce the nominee just before the acceptance speech?

Uh....you know that won't happen until Thursday right?
posted by thelonius at 6:48 PM on July 18, 2016


I wonder if Cotton is aware of the echo of his "help is on the way" applause line with the famous (and exactly opposite) Reagan joke about "we're from the government and we're here to help."
posted by penduluum at 6:49 PM on July 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


Hey, I agree with this young man -- "Hill is on the way!"
posted by The corpse in the library at 6:50 PM on July 18, 2016


Imagine the reaction if the DNC had done a "Beirut night" blaming Reagan for the deaths of 241 US soldiers.

This was one of the main reasons they started calling him Teflon Ron....he sent those Marines there with no real mission but to make us look tough, they were left in an exposed position, and then there was this terrible truck bomb attack. And people basically said well, these things happen.
posted by thelonius at 6:50 PM on July 18, 2016 [32 favorites]


Cotton's shadow makes him look like dr Octopus. And "Help is on the way " was Kerry's line.
posted by vrakatar at 6:51 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


"We fight not because we like fighting but because we love the fact that no one can boss us or rule us. Without our consent"
posted by Floydd at 6:51 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Goddamn this is a punchable face if I ever saw one
posted by schadenfrau at 6:51 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


OMFG another parent of a dead child?? This is fucking ghoulish.
posted by gatorae at 6:53 PM on July 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


he sent those Marines there with no real mission but to make us look tough, they were left in an exposed position, and then there was this terrible truck bomb attack. And people basically said well, these things happen.

To his credit, he got us out of there just as fast.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 6:53 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Remember when Tom Cotton violated the Logan Act by unilaterally threatening Iran during the height of the nuclear deal? Good times.
posted by T.D. Strange at 6:53 PM on July 18, 2016 [10 favorites]


I'm having a hard time believing this isn't helping the Democrats.
posted by bongo_x at 6:53 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Did he use Donald Trump's name even once?
posted by Sophie1 at 6:54 PM on July 18, 2016




> This is fucking ghoulish

Why do you hate the military, gatorae? Why do you hate our brave warriors?
posted by The corpse in the library at 6:54 PM on July 18, 2016


Are these "absurd rules" she mocks the prohibitions on torture?
posted by Rhaomi at 6:55 PM on July 18, 2016


Okay not making this about looks but this speaker is 100% wearing Luke's shirt from Ep 4
posted by penduluum at 6:55 PM on July 18, 2016


Literally this entire program has been about war, deluded persecution, and racial grievances. How blatant do they have to get before people just call it what it is
posted by schadenfrau at 6:55 PM on July 18, 2016 [9 favorites]


Jesus christ this isn't funny anymore.
posted by Lord_Pall at 6:55 PM on July 18, 2016 [10 favorites]


Probably. Here comes Jeff Sessions, who I read as super gay.
posted by vrakatar at 6:56 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


Obamatrade? That's not even a thing.
posted by box at 6:57 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


Stop trying to make Obamatrade happen, it's not going to happen.
posted by gatorae at 6:58 PM on July 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


Tom Cotton has my vote for Worst Person in [MANY CATEGORIES].
posted by scaryblackdeath at 6:58 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


> Tom Cotton has my vote for Worst Person in [MANY CATEGORIES]

Does his Christmas Baby have a Twitter account yet?
posted by The corpse in the library at 6:59 PM on July 18, 2016


jeff Sessions said nice thing about minoriities. No claps for him.
posted by Lord_Pall at 6:59 PM on July 18, 2016


This is a lite brexit. Coattails.
posted by vrakatar at 6:59 PM on July 18, 2016


Why are Republicans always so obsessed with the page count of legislation?
posted by octothorpe at 6:59 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Oh, what the hell? No Braindead tonight because of this shitshow? I'm going to go poop on something.
posted by dirigibleman at 6:59 PM on July 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


Are these "absurd rules" she mocks the prohibitions on torture?

Guessing these are rules of engagement for soldiers abroad, which Obama recently loosened.
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 7:00 PM on July 18, 2016


Probably. Here comes Jeff Sessions, who I read as super gay.

That's Jefferson Beauregard "Jeff" Sessions III to you.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 7:00 PM on July 18, 2016


Jeff Sessions is just this side of Lindsey Graham on the "you poor flaming yet somehow time-traveling southern gentleman" scale
posted by schadenfrau at 7:00 PM on July 18, 2016 [9 favorites]


Tom Cotton is the second-worst person named for a natural fiber.
posted by nicepersonality at 7:01 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


Wow!! Very few things make me speechless but today...
posted by ramix at 7:01 PM on July 18, 2016


Ugh, can we not do the gaydar conversation?
posted by tonycpsu at 7:01 PM on July 18, 2016 [9 favorites]


Stop trying to make Obamatrade happen, it's not going to happen.

Obamatrade is streets ahead.
posted by Lord_Pall at 7:01 PM on July 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


HAHAHA Trump is preempting his own convention AGAIN on msnbc.
posted by gatorae at 7:02 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


Oh I just looked it up and the name is “Stalin,” not “Sta-Linen.” Never mind. Cotton is the worst.
posted by nicepersonality at 7:02 PM on July 18, 2016 [36 favorites]




Back in the arena after a lovely, lovely dinner on the waterfront well outside the perimeter! We are seated in the sections behind the stage. Nobody is cheering. I think this is where they stick the reps from external organizations like mine. The arena is emptier than I was expecting (although I'm sure Thursday it will be the place to be) but the zone right outside is a circus. The level of policing (I heard reliable rumors over dinner that there are 8000 cops + Secret Service) is really uncomfortably overwhelming. I haven't seen any major clashes yet and my goal is to stay well clear of them.

Also, wow, the Trump cheering is so, so anemic. The applause pauses are awkward.
posted by bowtiesarecool at 7:03 PM on July 18, 2016 [12 favorites]


Didn't Sessions' state suffer big-time a few years back when its legislature enacted some Draconian laws against its migrant workers?
posted by Rykey at 7:03 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Go, lady in the pink dress! Go! Unless you're a wingnut, in which case you're on your own.
posted by The corpse in the library at 7:03 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


So, right now, on the YT live stream, there was a brief glimpse of a woman with some banner who was being physically attacked by a dude in a "Biker for Trump" shirt.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 7:04 PM on July 18, 2016


Feels like Jeff Sessions had a moment there where he was gonna say Donald Trump Will Kill Osama Bin Laden
posted by cortex at 7:04 PM on July 18, 2016


YouTube livestream died while Sessions was mid-sentence. I guess it was finally too much even for the servers to listen to...
posted by thefoxgod at 7:04 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


oh joy....here comes Rudy.
posted by lampshade at 7:04 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Go, lady in the pink dress! Go! Unless you're a wingnut, in which case you're on your own.

Looks like a code pinker for sure. They rock.
posted by dis_integration at 7:04 PM on July 18, 2016


Did they cut the youtube stream because of a code pink protester?
posted by Lord_Pall at 7:05 PM on July 18, 2016


lol at "Trump will kill Obama...ttrrade"

I freaked out a little
posted by Tarumba at 7:05 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


of christ frahh Rudy GAK!
posted by vrakatar at 7:05 PM on July 18, 2016


Oh great, its Giuliani.
Go on. Blame 9/11 on Obama cuz we all know you're dying to.
posted by Senor Cardgage at 7:05 PM on July 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


Ah, nothing like Rudy for a little bit of excessive fearmongering.
posted by Room 101 at 7:05 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


I'm wondering if Rudy refused to appear unless he would be the first one to say "9/11".
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 7:05 PM on July 18, 2016 [9 favorites]


Ugh! That Guiliani dude... ugh...
posted by ramix at 7:06 PM on July 18, 2016


Rudy brings the fear.

I lost track of the number of times he said "fear" in the first 30 seconds.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 7:06 PM on July 18, 2016


Re the lady in pink, it looked like she was being surrounded by people with their arms up. Was that a "We're not touching her" gesture, or a camera-blocking maneuver, or...?
posted by Rykey at 7:06 PM on July 18, 2016


If it takes the edge off, just pretend this is Red Foreman giving a supposed-to-be-bad Best Man speech during one of the dicier episodes of That 70s Shows.
posted by cortex at 7:06 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


Ein Volk?
posted by Justinian at 7:07 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


sorry, tonycspu. I'm one of those gays that hasn't yet shaken the extra dose of sadness/horror I get when I see someone who is widely believed to be gay representing horrific homophobia. Not awesome, I know.
posted by schadenfrau at 7:07 PM on July 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


One America?
posted by octothorpe at 7:08 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Rudy G: "THERE IS JUST AMERICA!!! WHAT HAPPENED TO IT??? WHERE DID IT GO???"

Um.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 7:08 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


If you're just tuning in on cable, note that WGN is not showing the Republican Convention. They are showing "Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines".

You can tell the difference by remembering that Arnold is not attending the convention.
posted by gimonca at 7:08 PM on July 18, 2016 [47 favorites]


It's right where you left it dude, right underneath Canada.
posted by tonycpsu at 7:09 PM on July 18, 2016 [8 favorites]


Guiliani will, of course, give the same speech he always does 9/11, 9/11, 9/11, [insert far right issue here], 9/11, 9/11, 9/11.
posted by sotonohito at 7:09 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


I dealt it, so I gotta smelt it. Sorry tonycspu.
posted by vrakatar at 7:09 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Are the speeches at the RNC usually this fucked up? I mean, even Clint Eastwood talking to the chair was eloquent. It was a bit random and disjointed, but it was more eloquent than any of these talks.
posted by Lord_Pall at 7:09 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


I, too, provided unverifiable quantities of support for numerous charities and causes!
posted by Room 101 at 7:10 PM on July 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


Teflon Ron

Remind you of anyone?
posted by Artw at 7:10 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


"POLICE DONT COME AND ASK IF YOU ARE BLACK OR WHITE! IF YOU ARE BLACK THEY JUST DONT COME!"
— America's Mayor McCheesedick
posted by Senor Cardgage at 7:10 PM on July 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


> Are the speeches at the RNC usually this fucked up

This definitely isn't the A list of public speakers; sensible people are staying far, far away.
posted by The corpse in the library at 7:10 PM on July 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


Guiliani is about to break out in song.
posted by AtoBtoA at 7:11 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]




Are the speeches at the RNC usually this fucked up? I mean, even Clint Eastwood talking to the chair was eloquent. It was a bit random and disjointed, but it was more eloquent than any of these talks.

The candidate sets the tone. They all seem to be improving poorly from notes.
posted by dis_integration at 7:11 PM on July 18, 2016


This is scary.
posted by octothorpe at 7:11 PM on July 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


if he started chanting "kill. the. arabs" I think they would chant along
posted by tivalasvegas at 7:11 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


Donald Trump loves ALL people. From the top (points down) to the bottom ( points up) from the middle (points to the side) to the side! ( points to the other side)
posted by Floydd at 7:12 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


Giuliani sounds even more insane than usual
posted by zutalors! at 7:12 PM on July 18, 2016 [11 favorites]


Damn, Giuliani's claim that Trump has been secretly doing anonymous philanthropy for NYC for decades might be low-key the least believable thing so far tonight!
posted by penduluum at 7:12 PM on July 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


ok, this is at least the third speaker who seems drunk

serious question: is there an open bar
posted by schadenfrau at 7:13 PM on July 18, 2016 [11 favorites]


Ah yes, "political correctness" is why "they" hate us / attack us.
posted by thefoxgod at 7:13 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Is "workplace violence" the new Benghazi?

But based on the forty-five minutes of the condiment table massacre that I watched, the convention floor must really reek of hot dog farts right around now.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 7:13 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


i think we've found Trump's pick for Homeland Security
posted by tivalasvegas at 7:14 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


Rudy should give the chopping motion a rest.
posted by vrakatar at 7:14 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


"Are we crazy?"

Well, I don't know about *we*, Rudy...
posted by thefoxgod at 7:14 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


jesus christ he's foaming at the mouth
posted by schadenfrau at 7:14 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


man Rudy has that Most Hitleresque award wrapped up
posted by theodolite at 7:15 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


Making donations to Clinton and Dems as I watch. I wouldn't be surprised if that was the story tomorrow.
posted by bongo_x at 7:15 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


Lolllll someone isolate that ARE WE CRAZY? (Yeahhhh!!!!!!) Giuliani yawp.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 7:15 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


...aaaaaand crickets when Giuliani was talking about how terrorists are killing more Muslims than any other group of people. Never mind that acknowledging that is the most sense anyone's made so far tonight.
posted by jesourie at 7:15 PM on July 18, 2016 [21 favorites]


So they SUPPORT Gaddafi? St. Ronnie would be mad.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 7:15 PM on July 18, 2016


Oh, he got to cite a *different* 9/11! He must be so excited.
posted by thefoxgod at 7:15 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


What is the chanting? I can't make it out.

i assume it's the horst wessel song
posted by poffin boffin at 7:16 PM on July 18, 2016 [11 favorites]


Anyone that screams "We're coming for you!" should have to strap on a helmet and be part of the "we're".
posted by The Hamms Bear at 7:16 PM on July 18, 2016 [20 favorites]


Judy Woodruff just said Giuliani was "Giving out some red meat tonight." I love her.
posted by The corpse in the library at 7:16 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


But based on the forty-five minutes of the condiment table massacre that I watched, the convention floor must really reek of hot dog farts right around now.

Approximately 1.3 Standard Walmarts of stank
posted by indubitable at 7:16 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


We are giving them the money!! Are we crazy??
Crowd: "yeano. Noyeah!! Wait! Trick question??"
posted by Floydd at 7:16 PM on July 18, 2016 [9 favorites]


serious question: is there an open bar

no, but there's a trough of amphetamines backstage.
posted by mrjohnmuller at 7:16 PM on July 18, 2016 [13 favorites]


So much hand waving. Rudy's not going to be able to raise his arms above his head after this speech.
posted by Lyme Drop at 7:16 PM on July 18, 2016


when this is all over and Hillary is president we will laugh and laugh about this and The Whelk, corb and quidnuc kid will write a fanfic minutes of a Trump Cabinet meeting and we will laugh and laugh

please
posted by tivalasvegas at 7:17 PM on July 18, 2016 [72 favorites]


REFUGEES WELCOME
posted by vrakatar at 7:17 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


Is the YouTube stream down?
posted by octothorpe at 7:18 PM on July 18, 2016


In tonight's performance, the role of Rudy Giuliani will be played by John Lithgow and a wheelbarrow full of cocaine.
posted by Senor Cardgage at 7:19 PM on July 18, 2016 [63 favorites]




This one works: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElNaklZMqRE
(Its on the Fox News channel instead of the RNC channel, the latter appears broken)
posted by thefoxgod at 7:19 PM on July 18, 2016


PBS keeps talking over the speakers with inane and pointless analysis.
posted by octothorpe at 7:19 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


"Even taking Syrian refugees..."

"These Syrians..."

I switched back to the Twitch stream because the YT stream was getting a little choppy for me.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 7:19 PM on July 18, 2016


corb:

"I am trying to trade my credentials back out so I can leave the floor. Voting time is over and these speeches are such a horror show I almost expect someone to be measuring us for armbands on the way out. I cannot sit in the middle of people who are cheering for this shit."
posted by cooker girl at 7:19 PM on July 18, 2016 [98 favorites]


"There's no next election."

Brother you don't know how right you are.
posted by penduluum at 7:20 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


"Hilary Clinton's experience is the exact reason she shouldn't be President of the United States." Because Trump's incompetence at everything is exactly what we need.
posted by iffthen at 7:20 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


Rudy just said there's no next election, this is it. You heard it here first, straight from the antichrist's mouth- world is ending!
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 7:20 PM on July 18, 2016 [18 favorites]


I suppose a city on a hill would still be shining if it was on fire
posted by edeezy at 7:20 PM on July 18, 2016 [29 favorites]


Lol. Great salute at the end.
posted by The Hamms Bear at 7:20 PM on July 18, 2016


no, but there's a trough of amphetamines backstage.

For real, several people looked way too weird to not be high. The first veteran to speak really looked like he was on coke.
posted by Tarumba at 7:20 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


Gwen Ifill: "He had his Wheaties tonight."
posted by The corpse in the library at 7:20 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Is this a musical interlude?
posted by Lord_Pall at 7:20 PM on July 18, 2016


Rudy seemed to be channeling a bit of Sarah Palin with that speech.
posted by lampshade at 7:21 PM on July 18, 2016


they have a band playing wut
posted by iffthen at 7:21 PM on July 18, 2016


corb:

"This is a really fucking scary rally. There are some of us who are holdouts to the end who are still sitting but also some people who weren't cheering are now standing and getting excited by the rhetoric."
posted by cooker girl at 7:21 PM on July 18, 2016 [24 favorites]


Not sure why Rudy brought up the Iran deal. Isn't Hillary of the "distrust and verify" camp? Isn't Trump a supposed rainy-day isolationist?
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 7:21 PM on July 18, 2016


Rudy talking about Trump looks like me talking about anime
posted by knuckle tattoos at 7:21 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


genuinely terrified for that codepink lady
posted by schadenfrau at 7:21 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


Brown Eyed Girl obviously the appropriate tonal followup to all of that.
posted by cortex at 7:21 PM on July 18, 2016 [9 favorites]


You, sir, are no Freddy Mercury.
posted by The corpse in the library at 7:21 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


Also, who was the Brown Eyed Girl?
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 7:22 PM on July 18, 2016


haha rachel maddow cackling as only she can
posted by tivalasvegas at 7:22 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


OMG that entrance
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 7:22 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


Freddie Mercury is rolling in his grave.
posted by carmicha at 7:22 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


Freddie Mercury plays in the the presumptive nominee.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 7:22 PM on July 18, 2016


And then a hard hard cut on "with a—" and then Queen and backlighting and TRUMP and oh god kill me
posted by cortex at 7:22 PM on July 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


Well, at least some joker had the good sense to play Queen's pro-gay anthem upon the Donald's entrance.
posted by Rykey at 7:22 PM on July 18, 2016 [15 favorites]


Kinder, Küche, Kirche "My wife, an amazing Mother...."
posted by tivalasvegas at 7:24 PM on July 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


AHHH IT IS MADAM MASQUE!
posted by vrakatar at 7:24 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


Wow, he managed to keep his introductory remarks short! I figured he would want to shoot the shit a little.
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 7:24 PM on July 18, 2016


"An...energized Rudy Giuliani...."

"...'energized' is a word."

"He said there's no next election. Does he know something we don't know?"

*nervous laughter*

actual things said by actual people on tv
posted by schadenfrau at 7:24 PM on July 18, 2016 [14 favorites]


ROLLING! IN! HIS! GRAVE!
posted by Sophie1 at 7:24 PM on July 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


Seriously Freddie Mercury is our first gay Indian rock star so he wouldn't like any of this
posted by zutalors! at 7:24 PM on July 18, 2016 [25 favorites]


17? The Donald?
posted by box at 7:25 PM on July 18, 2016


I guess somebody told him all he could say is "we're gonna win big" and "thank you very much" because he said it like three times in a row.
posted by penduluum at 7:25 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


I would have chosen "Hammer To Fall".
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 7:26 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


Did she say 18 years? ... 'Cause somebody should tell her he was still married to Marla Maples then....
posted by Justinian at 7:26 PM on July 18, 2016 [10 favorites]


corb:

"I am going back to the hotel where I will proceed to drink myself probably not to death."

I advised her not to raid the mini bar cos it's too expensive and there's not enough alcohol in it to drown the bad feelings.
posted by cooker girl at 7:26 PM on July 18, 2016 [62 favorites]


Corb, when you say it's getting scary, do you mean like rhetorically scary or like emotionally scary or like "start evaluating your cover and exit options" scary?
posted by KathrynT at 7:27 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


This Melania speech is the most coherent so far, at least it has mostly facts.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 7:27 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


That New Yorker article was very clear on Melania's opinion of illegal immigrants, she is very well rehearsed and I was hoping she would slip up.
posted by Tarumba at 7:28 PM on July 18, 2016


Melania Trump makes me so fucking sad
posted by schadenfrau at 7:28 PM on July 18, 2016 [11 favorites]


The level of policing (I heard reliable rumors over dinner that there are 8000 cops + Secret Service) is really uncomfortably overwhelming.

I think that's the point, and a good idea.

(Not approving of your discomfort, but I'm worried about your safety and that of everyone else there)
posted by iffthen at 7:28 PM on July 18, 2016


Fashion!
posted by vrakatar at 7:28 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Oh, corb. I'm so sorry for what you're going through. Hell, I'm sorry for what we're all going through, but you are out there in the thick of it, which sounds absolutely traumatic.

Thanks so much for keeping us posted.
posted by Superplin at 7:28 PM on July 18, 2016 [8 favorites]


Corb, when you say it's getting scary, do you mean like rhetorically scary or like emotionally scary or like "start evaluating your cover and exit options" scary?

All of the above.
posted by box at 7:28 PM on July 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


It's totally memorized. She is reciting.
posted by Tarumba at 7:28 PM on July 18, 2016


She's never been one to seek the spotlight; I admire her willingness to get up and speak at an event like this. It must be scary.
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 7:29 PM on July 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


Trump definitely wrote this speech. "The incredible world of fashion"
posted by Potomac Avenue at 7:29 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


Bob Dole has an "I Like Ike" vintage button.

There isn't a fucking Eisenhower Republican left in the party you old coot.
posted by Talez at 7:30 PM on July 18, 2016 [15 favorites]


I advised her not to raid the mini bar cos it's too expensive and there's not enough alcohol in it to drown the bad feelings.

Corb - There will be a seven-eleven somewhere.

Not close. It's a midwestern downtown.

But there will be one.

Go to there and buy yourself a mickey. Then walk down the dark, empty sidewalks to your hotel room and consume forthwith.
posted by tivalasvegas at 7:30 PM on July 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


That's Jefferson Beauregard 'Jeff' Sessions III to you.

Appropriate names for a Neo-Confederate.
posted by kirkaracha at 7:30 PM on July 18, 2016


She's reading off of teleprompters.
posted by Sophie1 at 7:30 PM on July 18, 2016


Did we just get rickrolled?
posted by Potomac Avenue at 7:30 PM on July 18, 2016 [13 favorites]


"The only limit to your achievements is your dad's money and his willingness to give it to you."
— Milania Trump
posted by Senor Cardgage at 7:30 PM on July 18, 2016 [12 favorites]


NEVER GONNA RUN AROUND AND DESERT YOU
posted by iffthen at 7:30 PM on July 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


Someone literally hastily propping Dole up during a cutaway shot. Was that kinda fucked? That seemed kinda fucked.
posted by cortex at 7:30 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


Never gonna let you down, never gonna give up.... I've heard this before.
posted by thefoxgod at 7:31 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Almost everybody reads off teleprompters, even the ones claiming they aren't reading off teleprompters.
posted by Justinian at 7:31 PM on July 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


> She's never been one to seek the spotlight; I admire her willingness to get up and speak at an event like this

There are probably punch bowls of beta-blockers backstage.
posted by The corpse in the library at 7:31 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


Full bar at the hotel!
posted by cooker girl at 7:31 PM on July 18, 2016 [19 favorites]


She rickrolled the RNC. I am amazed.
posted by mrgoat at 7:32 PM on July 18, 2016 [8 favorites]


It's hard believe his wife is going to help with the base. The immigrant woman with a strong accent talking about slaving away in the world of fashion.
posted by bongo_x at 7:32 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


It's very interesting watching the expressions on the delagates' faces as they watch Melania. Some look like they're holding their breath waiting for her to screw up. Others look fondly upon her, others look bored. Some are looking at her like she's an alien.
posted by carmicha at 7:32 PM on July 18, 2016


Even the people Trump pays to advise him say his kids are great!
posted by zachlipton at 7:32 PM on July 18, 2016


"he will never let you down"....anyone else channeling Rick Astley?
posted by ramix at 7:32 PM on July 18, 2016


It's hard believe his wife is going to help with the base. The immigrant woman with a strong accent talking about slaving away in the world of fashion.

She's a beautiful white European/American woman. The base eats that up.
posted by Justinian at 7:33 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


Stay alert tho, there could still be action.
posted by vrakatar at 7:33 PM on July 18, 2016


Someone literally hastily propping Dole up during a cutaway shot.

Weekend at Donnie's
posted by kirkaracha at 7:33 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


OMG! Scott Walker! Looking dense. As usual. I'm drunk and will say no more this evening. I love you guys...*snerk*
posted by Floydd at 7:33 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


I know Justinian. I was responding to someone saying she had memorized the speech.
posted by Sophie1 at 7:33 PM on July 18, 2016


M Trump "My husband is actually very kind"
(Tepid applause)
Rudy: "KILL THE FATTED CALF THE WOLF FEASTS TONIGHT"
(Crowd tears their clothes off ululating)
posted by Potomac Avenue at 7:33 PM on July 18, 2016 [56 favorites]


Can someone that knows morse code watch this and check her blinking?
posted by Senor Cardgage at 7:33 PM on July 18, 2016 [15 favorites]


Make it stoppppp, someone, I want to get off.

I'm just consoling myself with how awesome the DNC will surely be in comparison. I want grown-ups! I want reality! I want some optimism in the face of this horror show! I want Obama/Warren/Biden/Sanders/everyone letting us all know how awesome and prepared and fucking *adult* Hillary Clinton is.

Where is Giles when I need him?
Buffy: Does it ever get easy?

Giles: You mean life?

Buffy: Yeah, does it get easy?

Giles: What do you want me to say?

Buffy: Lie to me.

Giles: Yes. It's terribly simple. The good guys are always stalwart and true. The bad guys are easily distinguished by their pointy horns or black hats, and, uh, we always defeat them and save the day. No one ever dies and... everybody lives happily ever after.
posted by Salieri at 7:34 PM on July 18, 2016 [39 favorites]


She's reading off of teleprompters.

Well, at least now we know one of them can read.
(I kinda feel like we should leave her alone.)
posted by The Hamms Bear at 7:34 PM on July 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


Why are Republicans always so obsessed with the page count of legislation?

It's part of their general belief that laws should be based on common sense* and common sense is, by its very nature, simple and direct. Thus, common sense legislation need only take one page, two at the most. It follows that any legislation consisting of hundreds of pages is obviously flawed and dangerous to the republic. And, the work of liberals.

There's also the thing where a lot of the conservative base is intimidated by any reading material larger than, say, Field and Stream.

* "common sense" being defined as "conservative"
posted by Thorzdad at 7:34 PM on July 18, 2016 [18 favorites]


The Utter Failure of the Log Cabin Republicans

A Message on the GOP Platform from Log Cabin Republicans President Gregory T. Angelo:
Date: July 12, 2016

Dear Friend,

There’s no way to sugar-coat this: I’m mad as hell — and I know you are, too.

Moments ago, the Republican Party passed the most anti-LGBT Platform in the Party’s 162-year history.

Opposition to marriage equality, nonsense about bathrooms, an endorsement of the debunked psychological practice of “pray the gay away” — it’s all in there.

This isn’t my GOP, and I know it’s not yours either. Heck, it’s not even Donald Trump’s! When given a chance to follow the lead of our presumptive presidential nominee and reach out to the LGBT community in the wake of the awful terrorist massacre in Orlando on the gay nightclub Pulse, the Platform Committee said NO.
Well, the RNC first mentioned "homosexual rights" back in 1992, so you can dial back the 162 years of history. Anyway, we remember how that went for the GOP in 1992. (Reminder: Bill Clinton won.)
posted by filthy light thief at 7:34 PM on July 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


This would scare the shit out of me if I was in Melania's shoes. I can't imagine she had a say in any of this, judging by her husband, and I think we're better than making fun of her face and her accent, so I'll just say she is doing far better than I could have in her place.
posted by sallybrown at 7:34 PM on July 18, 2016 [13 favorites]


It's hard believe his wife is going to help with the base. The immigrant woman with a strong accent talking about slaving away in the world of fashion.

His base all want to marry a woman like her, so she helps out a lot. She rounds out the alpha-male kabuki theatre that is TRUMP.
posted by dis_integration at 7:34 PM on July 18, 2016 [12 favorites]


He stands up for everyone! It's true because I'm saying it!
posted by Rykey at 7:34 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Keep up the "drugs backstage" gags, I'm digging it
posted by iffthen at 7:35 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Someone literally hastily propping Dole up during a cutaway shot.

Weekend at Donnie's


Oh shit wait is Bob dole dead have we checked this
posted by Potomac Avenue at 7:35 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


It won't even be close, says Melania, referring to Clinton's victory over her husband
posted by iffthen at 7:35 PM on July 18, 2016 [10 favorites]


Shame on Bob Dole.
posted by sallybrown at 7:36 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


Since Melania is on I figure it's the right time to link to this Olya Povlatsky on Weekend Update video.
posted by komara at 7:36 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


corb:

"Mooooostly rhetorically but actually people are screaming and spitting and their faces are full of hate and I am legit terrified about what they're going to be taking home."
posted by cooker girl at 7:37 PM on July 18, 2016 [25 favorites]


I'm kind of hopeful that this is the death knell of white nationalism as a major political force in this country but I'm not hopeful that they won't drag this shit out for another couple of decades.
posted by vuron at 7:37 PM on July 18, 2016 [13 favorites]


There's a candidate in a primary here who is part of some group that says you can only support laws you hand copy out. So absurd obsession with the length of laws is well a thing.
posted by R343L at 7:37 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


Oh shit wait is Bob dole dead have we checked this

The politics of failure have failed!
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 7:37 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


I keep thinking about what Ivana said Trump did to her when he was angry, and I feel really worried for Melania if Trump loses. He will need a scapegoat.
posted by Tarumba at 7:37 PM on July 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


Her goal of helping needy women and children will be very difficult to achieve under the GOP platform.
posted by carmicha at 7:38 PM on July 18, 2016 [10 favorites]


I think I'd rather believe that Melania is actually a smarter, better narcissist who's adept at manipulating her narcissist husband than that this is some horrifying stockholm syndrome performance
posted by schadenfrau at 7:38 PM on July 18, 2016 [9 favorites]


I want grown-ups! I want reality! I want some optimism in the face of this horror show!

[leon] Always like this. [/leon]
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 7:38 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


Just got a new fundraising email from Clinton asking me to donate $1 every time Trump says something offensive. I appreciate the sentiment, but I still need to like eat and pay rent and none of those things would be happening if I did that....
posted by thefoxgod at 7:38 PM on July 18, 2016 [72 favorites]


"He's going to fight to give our children the better future they deserve"

Well yes, your children are going to be fine. The rest of the country's kids are pretty fucked if he gets in.
posted by Talez at 7:38 PM on July 18, 2016 [30 favorites]


Literally pointing at her boobs, America.
posted by Room 101 at 7:39 PM on July 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


She sounded like she was running for Miss America.
posted by The corpse in the library at 7:40 PM on July 18, 2016


Did he point at her boobs several times while waggling his eyebrows or am I straight up hallucinating at this point
posted by theodolite at 7:40 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


She didn't say a single personal thing to humanize him. Nothing.
posted by gatorae at 7:40 PM on July 18, 2016 [9 favorites]


After that saccharine interlude, we're back to our regularly scheduled spittle-flecked chanting.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 7:41 PM on July 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


NATIONALISTIC JINGOISM PEOPLE! USA! USA! USA! AMERICAN EXCEPTIONALISM! BOMB THE SAND NIG- errr... TERRORISTS!
posted by Talez at 7:42 PM on July 18, 2016


"American Exceptionalism". Drink!
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 7:42 PM on July 18, 2016


He pointed repeatedly at her boobs then gave a big thumbs-up to the crowd. I could see the "look at the hottie I bagged, boys!" thought bubble hovering over his smirk.
posted by current resident at 7:42 PM on July 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


It's painful to hear the MSNBC commentariat trying to be even handed with this
posted by zutalors! at 7:42 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


Flynn making more sense than the others

*crickets*

Flynn: please chant
posted by iffthen at 7:42 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


Currently the Preamble to the 2016 Republican Platform is literally the 2012 Republican Platform. Here, let me copy-and-paste:
Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan understand these great truths. They share a positive vision for America – a vision of America renewed and strong. They know America’s best days lay ahead. It will take honest results-oriented, conservative leadership to enact good policies for our people. They will provide it.
Via Wonkette, which has a screenshot.
posted by kirkaracha at 7:43 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Former DIA head: We should not fear our enemies...

We should fear our friends in Five Eyes
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 7:43 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


"Trump, Trump. There you go."

This guy must be a riot in the sack.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 7:43 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


You guys I don't want to spoil it but the montage of former Republican presidential portraits that opened tonight's Samantha Bee is fire.
posted by Mothlight at 7:43 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


It is weird that Melania offered no personal insights into Trump's softer size beyond asserting that he's kind. I remember Ann Romney doing a great job of conveying that Mitt is more than a distinguished face atop an expensive suit... none of that at all.
posted by carmicha at 7:44 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


the real spit-take moment was when the Blue Lives Matter police chief quoted "Letter from Birmingham Jail"
posted by Vic Morrow's Personal Vietnam at 7:44 PM on July 18, 2016 [8 favorites]


After 8 years of Michelle it's hard to accept that Melania has an outside shot at being the FLOTUS.

I'm sure she's a nice lady and probably wants to do something good with the increased stature she'd have but Michelle is truly inspiring and with Melania I'm just driven to pity her for having to put up with Trump.
posted by vuron at 7:44 PM on July 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


Jesus fucking Christ I can't take it anymore

How are these talking heads talking in normal voices

How are they doing anything other than screaming "holy fucking shit it's fascism you guys, it's fucking here, break out the emergency benzos"
posted by schadenfrau at 7:44 PM on July 18, 2016 [19 favorites]


Drink a glass of water, man. For fuck's sake.
posted by Talez at 7:45 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


I'm still not convinced. Flynn is too boring to be crazy. He sounds like a normal person pretending to be a Republican
posted by iffthen at 7:45 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


Drink a glass of water, man. For fuck's sake.

They appear to be out of that particular item, along with the amphetamines.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 7:46 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


yeah none of that senseless hyperbole!
posted by nom de poop at 7:46 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Who is this Lt. Gen. Michael Phlegm anyway?
posted by uosuaq at 7:46 PM on July 18, 2016


[Jingoism intensifies]
posted by Talez at 7:46 PM on July 18, 2016 [19 favorites]


Yeah, enough of the senseless hyperbole already.
posted by Rykey at 7:46 PM on July 18, 2016


Apparently people are tuning out and streaming out after Melania. At this rate the last speaker will give a demonstration of Call of Duty: Black Ops III aiming tips for multiplayer.
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 7:47 PM on July 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


It's gonna be weird to see Bill Clinton taking Melania Trump's role at the DNC. He's on not as a former President but as the candidate's spouse. Progress!
posted by Justinian at 7:47 PM on July 18, 2016 [8 favorites]


NAZI GERMANY! BINGO!

What did I win?
posted by Talez at 7:48 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


with relentless unabashed eternal focus on our proud history of the greatest country in the history of the world of heritage and pride the founding fathers forefounding principles... yes.. USA... that's right.. yes... yep.. yeah you know it.
posted by nom de poop at 7:48 PM on July 18, 2016


I hope there are polls tomorrow. Can't wait to see how much Trump's gone down.
posted by bongo_x at 7:48 PM on July 18, 2016


I have to be awake at 4 am, so I'm out.
posted by Sophie1 at 7:48 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


I'm impressed with the robots on the market these days. Very lifelike. Except for the complete lack of affect.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 7:48 PM on July 18, 2016


There are still some sane Republicans that haven't apparently noticed that the inmates have taken control of the asylum. I figure if there is some significant blood letting after november there might be some centrist Republicans that switch party allegiance because honestly this brand of Republicanism is incredibly toxic to your electoral chances.
posted by vuron at 7:49 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


How many more years until November?
posted by perhapses at 7:49 PM on July 18, 2016 [47 favorites]


I'm kind of hopeful that this is the death knell of white nationalism as a major political force in this country but I'm not hopeful that they won't drag this shit out for another couple of decades

I was never a fan of the just-so, demographics-is-destiny kind of discourse before this year.

But a significant majority of whites are either openly racist, openly okay-with-racists or quietly going-along-to-get-along. Said it before, will say it again: the only reason this country might not be about to do our equivalent of Brexit (except we have an unparalleled military and nuclear weapons arsenal) is because there are enough black and brown Americans to stop this electorally.

So I think. I hope. that things will get better, if not because of "evolution and "changed hearts" then at least because of the sheer mathematical inexorability of demographic change.
posted by tivalasvegas at 7:50 PM on July 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


I hope there are polls tomorrow. Can't wait to see how much Trump's gone down.

You might be surprised there. This is red meat theater.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 7:51 PM on July 18, 2016 [30 favorites]


"War is not about bathrooms."

Oh no you didn't.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 7:51 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


"War is not about bathrooms"

Ok, I take all that back
posted by iffthen at 7:51 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


OUR TROOPS ARE DISTRACTED BY BOOBIES IN THE FIELD! AND POSSIBLE IMITATION PENISES IN THEIR BATHROOMS! WE ONLY HAVE REAL PENISES IN BATHROOMS! THAT'S HOW YOU WIN WARS AND WAR IS ABOUT WINNING!
posted by Talez at 7:52 PM on July 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


This guy is fucking crazy as shit.
posted by nom de poop at 7:52 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


"War is not about bathrooms." Top notch military advisor here.
posted by zachlipton at 7:52 PM on July 18, 2016


"War is not about bathrooms. War is about winning." -paraphrasing Flynn

What happened to war is fought so we have freedoms at home?
posted by FJT at 7:52 PM on July 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


Honestly a marathon of a FPS like Call of Duty or Rainbow Six would probably be a step up from this program of "make america safe again".

Or maybe a Grand Theft Auto clone where you play police officers pulling over black men for DWB seems like it would sell gangbusters with this crowd.
posted by vuron at 7:53 PM on July 18, 2016


Cortex is this guy one of your markovs
posted by nom de poop at 7:53 PM on July 18, 2016 [17 favorites]


Yeah! Fuck empathy! Empathy is for losers and Democrats!
posted by Talez at 7:53 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


"The world does not fear our might"? Jeepers. Like, who's aiming at world domination here again?
posted by Room 101 at 7:53 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


The level of policing (I heard reliable rumors over dinner that there are 8000 cops + Secret Service)

I had to do something on the border of the security zone this evening, and, yeah, there are cops everywhere downtown, in groups of at least 6. Not just Cleveland police & Cuyahoga Sheriffs & other Ohio LEO, either - I saw badges for Tuscon, Indiana, and a St. Paul car. I would totally believe 8000.
posted by soundguy99 at 7:53 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


What scares me is that even if (when??) Hillary wins, it's not as if these people are just going to give up and slither back into their snakeholes. They're going to get worse, because they have her as a target.
posted by AFABulous at 7:54 PM on July 18, 2016 [38 favorites]


Secret Life of Gravy: Donald Trump will do what?

I think he said "halve your back," probably with a meat cleaver or his kung fu skills or something.
posted by filthy light thief at 7:54 PM on July 18, 2016 [10 favorites]


"We can't have Presidents that draw red lines and then retreat!"

/stumps for candidate in favor of mothballing NATO
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 7:54 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


"The world does not fear our might"

*raises hand*

Don't worry, buddy. Right now we're plenty afraid, eh?
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 7:55 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


posted by untold cyberthreats
posted by nom de poop at 7:55 PM on July 18, 2016


Let's be real here. It's going to be difficult to fill Michelle Obama's shoes.

(And, hey. If all goes well, she'll have less competition than her predecessors)
posted by schmod at 7:55 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Good to see them pulling out the old chestnut of soldiers can't afford to be worried about the sexuality or gender of their fellow soldiers it'll make 'em weak.

Gotta stick with some of the classics I guess.
posted by vuron at 7:56 PM on July 18, 2016


Should we do a GoFundMe to pay for Corb's bar tab?
posted by palmcorder_yajna at 7:56 PM on July 18, 2016 [49 favorites]


FJT: What happened to war is fought so we have freedoms at home?

MISSION COMPLETE! On to the next mission: WINNING TO WIN!
posted by filthy light thief at 7:56 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Cortex is this guy one of your markovs

When he said "As Ronald Reagan said..." I got to thinking that you could make a pretty good bot that just said variations of that followed by Markov of a mix of actual Reagan quotes and, like, Lovecraft and Nietzsche or something? And bait a lot of hooks as a result.
posted by cortex at 7:56 PM on July 18, 2016 [42 favorites]


Let's be real here. It's going to be difficult to fill Michelle Obama's shoes.

True, though Bill Clinton has some small experience with public events.
posted by Justinian at 7:56 PM on July 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


Soldiering is all about constant gay panic, just like being a republican congressman.
posted by Artw at 7:57 PM on July 18, 2016 [27 favorites]


Should we do a GoFundMe to pay for Corb's bar tab?

I'm in. Don't even know corb, but she's taking one for the team
posted by iffthen at 7:57 PM on July 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


Should we do a GoFundMe to pay for Corb's bar tab?

Her liver is on your hands.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 7:58 PM on July 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


OBAMA KILLED OSAMA YOU DIPSHIT.
posted by Talez at 7:58 PM on July 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


When he said "As Ronald Reagan said..." I got to thinking that you could make a pretty good bot that just said variations of that followed by Markov of a mix of actual Reagan quotes and, like, Lovecraft and Nietzsche or something? And bait a lot of hooks as a result.

Pleasssseee do that... then we need to get the results submitted to some conservative publication, all Alan Sokal-like
posted by iffthen at 7:59 PM on July 18, 2016 [8 favorites]


I just spent way too long looking for a demographic drill-down of Trump supporters, hoping to find that white people under thirty-four were measurably less terrible than their elders

Why is this so hard to find
posted by schadenfrau at 7:59 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


Heh Bill Clinton visiting lots of new elementary schools and then delivering a 2 hour speech to bored young 3rd graders as their teachers try to keep them under control with death stares could be pretty fun to watch.

Just no jogging with the VP or VP's partner in short shorts please.
posted by vuron at 8:00 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


Flynn is a crazy person.
posted by bongo_x at 8:00 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


This guy (Flynn) is terrifying.
posted by carmicha at 8:00 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


I mean, even Clint Eastwood talking to the chair was eloquent. It was a bit random and disjointed, but it was more eloquent than any of these talks.


You know, I can see the chair thing seeming like a cool idea if a bunch of your influences were like, people who studied acting in the 1950's. It's kind of like Ionesco! Unfortunately for Eastwood, it didn't work out so well. But, no one could have predicted that.
posted by thelonius at 8:01 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


I USE HASHTAG NEVER HILLARY! HOW DO YOU DO FELLOW KIDS?
posted by Talez at 8:01 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Her liver is on your hands.

Ew.
posted by Senor Cardgage at 8:01 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


Crowd chanting "Lock her up", Flynn goading them on.
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 8:01 PM on July 18, 2016


It bothers me how bothered I am by his completely shit sense of rhythm.
posted by cortex at 8:01 PM on July 18, 2016 [10 favorites]


This is definitely the last speaker, right? Right?
posted by uosuaq at 8:02 PM on July 18, 2016


Ice cream, Mandrake. Children's ice cream.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 8:02 PM on July 18, 2016 [19 favorites]


I was hoping to get some sleep tonight... but that's out the window now that I don't know if Hillary's going to leave the race or not...
posted by Rykey at 8:02 PM on July 18, 2016


@emptywheel "If I did a tenth of what she did, I would be in jail today" says a guy who worked for David Petraeus.
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 8:03 PM on July 18, 2016 [19 favorites]


Joni Ernst still to come I think.
posted by sporkwort at 8:03 PM on July 18, 2016


Chris Christie sounded like he was about to cry interviewed on MSNBC
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 8:03 PM on July 18, 2016


I don't know how any of those Republicans with sotto voce excuses for skipping this convention can watch this and remain silent.
posted by klarck at 8:04 PM on July 18, 2016 [8 favorites]


Ice cream, Mandrake. Children's ice cream.

Way too on the nose :)
posted by iffthen at 8:04 PM on July 18, 2016


Chris Christie sounded like he was about to cry interviewed on MSNBC

Well, at least we have that. For 2016, that'll have to do.
posted by tonycpsu at 8:04 PM on July 18, 2016 [16 favorites]


Remember kids:

If you route emails through private servers in a way that isn't technically illegal but possibly negligent? You should be locked up and the key be thrown away.
Start a war on lies and false intelligence to loot the government out of billions of dollars along with destabilizing an entire region and causing the deaths of tens of thousands of Iraqi citizens? Meh...
posted by Talez at 8:04 PM on July 18, 2016 [59 favorites]


...American exceptionalism in every speech every two paragraphs.

I like myself, but I don't have to tell myself in a mirror every 5 minutes that I'm a good person. Needing to do that is symptomatic of some serious self-confidence issues.
posted by Room 101 at 8:04 PM on July 18, 2016 [11 favorites]


Unfortunately this sort of shit is painful common in a lot of companies who seem to prefer bringing in former generals and other types as senior executives because apparently no-nonsense take no prisoner types are just what the business world needs more of.

For every decent on you seem to get about a dozen like Flynn who seem to defend their craziness behind the trappings of America Fuck Yeah and you have a hard time calling them on their shit.
posted by vuron at 8:04 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


I'm kind of hopeful that this is the death knell of white nationalism as a major political force in this country but I'm not hopeful that they won't drag this shit out for another couple of decades

I hope we're experiencing the extinction burst.
posted by carmicha at 8:04 PM on July 18, 2016 [18 favorites]


Does Flynn realize that he's on TV, and interrupting himself to chant along with the crowd is annoying?
posted by fitnr at 8:04 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


schadenfrau: I just spent way too long looking for a demographic drill-down of Trump supporters, hoping to find that white people under thirty-four were measurably less terrible than their elders

Why is this so hard to find


Because it's not a clean generational line.

Who Are Donald Trump's Supporters, Really?
Four theories to explain the front-runner’s rise to the top of the polls. (The Atlantic, March 1, 2016)
They Didn’t Go to College

The single best predictor of Trump support in the GOP primary is the absence of a college degree. In an analysis of Trump's blowout win in New Hampshire, Evan Soltas determined that the factor explaining most of the variance in Trump's support in New Hampshire was education.
...
They Don't Think They Have a Political Voice

If there were one question to identify a Trump supporter if you knew nothing else about him, what might it be? “Are you a middle-aged white man who hasn’t graduated from college?” might be a good one. But according to a survey from RAND Corporation, there is one that’s even better: Do you feel voiceless?
...
They Want to Wage an Interior War Against Outsiders
...
Trump’s foreign policy, like his policy for anything, is a muddle. He’s cautious toward the Israel-Palestine conflict, yet he told Fox News he would kill the families of ISIS members to stop their advance, something awfully close to a public pledge to commit war-crimes.
...
They Live in Parts of the Country With Racial Resentment

Find a map of the United States and draw a thick red mark just east of the Mississippi and Ohio Rivers. That's Trump Country.
posted by filthy light thief at 8:04 PM on July 18, 2016 [11 favorites]


"Primary goal of the Presidency is to keep us safe"

Actually to defend the Constitution yo
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 8:05 PM on July 18, 2016 [20 favorites]


"The greatest country in the history of the world. "

Man modesty is not something republicans value, is it?
posted by Tarumba at 8:05 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


How awkward will having Joni Ernst speak be? She's a military vet who served in Iraq. The Republicans slipped a bit into the platform that calls for women to be barred from combat positions and VP Pence has called for women to be barred from the military at all.
posted by Justinian at 8:05 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


USA! FIND THE HEAD!
posted by Talez at 8:06 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


Tarumba: modesty is not something republicans value, is it?

How can you celebrate American Exceptionalism while being humble?
posted by filthy light thief at 8:06 PM on July 18, 2016


Bad Company starts -- "Well I take whatever I want..."
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 8:06 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


It's that bloody band again, but the place looks pretty empty, so that's something?
posted by iffthen at 8:06 PM on July 18, 2016


How awkward will having Joni Ernst speak be? She's a military vet who served in Iraq. The Republicans slipped a bit into the platform that calls for women to be barred from combat positions and VP Pence has called for women to be barred from the military at all.

Contradictions never bother them, that's just who they are.
posted by Artw at 8:09 PM on July 18, 2016 [10 favorites]


I almost can't look away, but I have to get up early tomorrow.

Goodnight, America. This has been a terrifying cultural exchange.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 8:09 PM on July 18, 2016 [11 favorites]



Contradictions never bother them, that's just who they are.


Yeah, I mean they're talking about increased war and programs for the poor. How would we pay for those with the massive Trump tax cuts?
posted by zutalors! at 8:10 PM on July 18, 2016


Well if Obama was actually doing his job then the role of women in the military would be negated by the development of autonomous murderbots that of course would respond to the orders of the generals.

That way we could crush the rest of the world under our heels without putting any American lives at risk.

That and murderbots don't need special restrooms.
posted by vuron at 8:12 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Hopefully, asteroid impact. Giant Meteor 2016!

Poll: 13 percent prefer meteor hitting earth over Clinton, Trump

Just a little more support and we can get the meteor in the debates!
posted by Drinky Die at 8:12 PM on July 18, 2016 [10 favorites]


Does Joni Ernst think we don't speak English?
posted by bongo_x at 8:12 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


Always this "if you just try hard enough, you can achieve anything" which is such transparent code for "those who don't have enough just weren't trying, so fuck them". I'm so tired of hearing it.
posted by uosuaq at 8:12 PM on July 18, 2016 [46 favorites]


How can you celebrate American Exceptionalism while being humble?

"I think I am actually humble. I think I'm much more humble than you would understand."
posted by qcubed at 8:12 PM on July 18, 2016


Yeah, I mean they're talking about increased war and programs for the poor. How would we pay for those with the massive Trump tax cuts?

War on the poor.
posted by iamabot at 8:13 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


Just messaged Cooker Girl to see if Corb actually wants a booze fund. I will pull the trigger on it once I get confirmation that she is into it. Heaven knows, she's earned it.
posted by palmcorder_yajna at 8:13 PM on July 18, 2016 [19 favorites]


We can just pray for the poor or something.
posted by The Hamms Bear at 8:14 PM on July 18, 2016


I'm pretty sure you would just have the Islamic world pay for the freedoms we would bring to them just like we are going to have Mexico pay for the privilege of building a wall between the US and Mexico.

Pretty sure programs for the poor can just be paid by taxing anything negative that the poor do like maybe a per baby tax if the poor person is a minority.
posted by vuron at 8:14 PM on July 18, 2016


Whatever sins Melania's committed, being married to that guy seems like more-than-sufficient punishment.
posted by emjaybee at 8:15 PM on July 18, 2016 [9 favorites]


Just messaged Cooker Girl to see if Corb actually wants a booze fund. I will pull the trigger on it once I get confirmation that she is into it. Heaven knows, she's earned it.

I was about to create a GoFundMe but never having used it I didn't realize that I'd have the ability to withdraw. That's not ideal. Let everyone know what corb says (FWIW, I titled my GoFundMe to be "Bar tab for traumatized liberals at the RNC", I expect we can fund more than just corb)
posted by iffthen at 8:16 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


ok but I seriously want to know why Republicans wouldn't ask themselves the questions about how we would pay for anything under Trump's tax plan
posted by zutalors! at 8:16 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


"The world is looking for American leadership." -paraphrasing Joni Ernst

Umm, I guarantee that if the world was allowed to choose, it would overwhelmingly NOT look to Donald Trump for leadership.
posted by FJT at 8:16 PM on July 18, 2016 [14 favorites]


Just a little more support and we can get the meteor in the debates!

omg I totally forgot that Clinton and Trump are going to debate each other. brb while I research cryogenics
posted by AFABulous at 8:17 PM on July 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


Jeez guys it's like you don't even know the prosperity gospel. If you are poor you are just living an unrighteous life. If you were a good godfaring Christian then Jesus would provide onto you all the riches you would need.

So get to pray harder and maybe you should send a twenty to the Trump campaign as seed capital because your money will come back to you 10 fold if you work hard to get Trump elected.
posted by vuron at 8:18 PM on July 18, 2016 [8 favorites]


Damn. She just got a boo on ISIS being in all 50 states.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 8:18 PM on July 18, 2016


Yup I gotta go sleepy time, gonna be a long 4 days.
posted by vrakatar at 8:18 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


yes, boo!
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 8:18 PM on July 18, 2016


Bar tab for traumatized liberals at the RNC

I always value corb's viewpoint, but she's no liberal.
posted by dis_integration at 8:19 PM on July 18, 2016 [55 favorites]


Oh god, please tell me Flynn didn't set a trend of awkward self-interrupting crowd work for the rest of the convention.
posted by cortex at 8:19 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


ok but I seriously want to know why Republicans wouldn't ask themselves the questions about how we would pay for anything under Trump's tax plan

They haven't been asking themselves these questions since 1979 with St. Ronnie's tax plan.
posted by soundguy99 at 8:20 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


Making America Safe Again. Let's get back to bombing the shit out of every motherfucker who looks at us the wrong way. Is The Human Cheeto going to bring back overthrowing socialist governments in South America to fight the drug war?

IMPROPER USE OF AN EMAIL SERVER? NEXT YOU'LL BE TELLING ME SHE LIED IN A CIVIL DEPOSITION!
posted by Talez at 8:20 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


Also, corb, if you REALLY wanna drown your sorrows, you should stick around for the weekend and go to the Irish Fest.
posted by soundguy99 at 8:21 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


NYT Maggie Haberman:
Guys, people are streaming out of the hall as Ernst talks.
posted by FJT at 8:21 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Maybe take like one public speaking class Ernst.
The words sound like they are being pulled out of you on a string tied to a Victrola.
posted by Senor Cardgage at 8:22 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


I always value corb's viewpoint, but she's no liberal.

By MeFi standards I'm not either, but "traumatized attendees of the RNC who may hold some conservative positions but are terrified by the state of the GOP" is a bit of a mouthful
posted by iffthen at 8:22 PM on July 18, 2016 [14 favorites]


YOU DID NOT JUST BRING THE VA INTO THIS YOU CLUELESS FUCKING TWIT.
posted by Talez at 8:22 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


Reince Priebus minus the vowels is RNC PR BS
posted by adept256 at 8:23 PM on July 18, 2016 [28 favorites]


By MeFi standards I'm not either, but "traumatized attendees of the RNC who may hold some conservative positions but are terrified by the state of the GOP" is a bit of a mouthful

Let's not forget the alternative to Trump here was Ted Cruz.
posted by T.D. Strange at 8:23 PM on July 18, 2016 [10 favorites]


So is Trump still in Cleveland? The only satisfaction I get from watching this is if he's required to stay put in Cleveland.
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 8:23 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Maybe they are doing drugs back there
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 8:23 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Donald the Traveler. He will come in one of the pre-chosen forms. During the rectification of the Vuldrini, the traveler came as a large and moving Torg! Then, during the third reconciliation of the last of the McKetrick supplicants, they chose a new form for him: that of a giant Slor! Many Shuvs and Zuuls knew what it was to be roasted in the depths of the Slor that day, I can tell you!
posted by newdaddy at 8:24 PM on July 18, 2016 [34 favorites]


Yes, somehow Republicans get to blame Democrats for problems with the VA, when it is the Republicans who continually underfund the VA.

"Support our Troops" but fuck you when you're back home.
posted by yesster at 8:24 PM on July 18, 2016 [21 favorites]


I always value corb's viewpoint, but she's no liberal.

Perhaps: Bar tab for the sane at the RNC?
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 8:24 PM on July 18, 2016 [8 favorites]


Wow, that is indeed a lot of empty seats.
posted by jamaro at 8:24 PM on July 18, 2016


And this is now pretty much like the post-violence Itchy and Scratchy episodes where they start taking tea and slow-dancing.
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 8:24 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Oh god, please tell me Flynn didn't set a trend of awkward self-interrupting crowd work for the rest of the convention.

It's not looking good.
posted by egregious theorem at 8:24 PM on July 18, 2016


I think "conservative anti-fascists" would be acceptable to all sides?
posted by tivalasvegas at 8:24 PM on July 18, 2016 [9 favorites]


Oh goodness, the debates.
I've built a house.
I've started a business.
I've governed a state.
I've climbed mountains.
I've defended freedom.

I've got the credentials.

LET ME DEBATE.
(Just Google Gary) Johnson 2016
Just get him in the polls! (Samantha Bee out-take)
posted by filthy light thief at 8:25 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


This is the sketchy link I use to watch MSNBC, CNN and Fox live online.

Also CSPAN doesn't require a subscription, they changed things a couple years ago and you just can't watch live. But if you click on watch from beginning for any live broadcast, you can fast forward to one second behind the live stream so it becomes essentially the same thing.
posted by phoque at 8:25 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


I'm not an expert, but is this the most low energy convention ever so far?
posted by bongo_x at 8:26 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


Damn. She just got a boo on ISIS being in all 50 states.

It's a spectacular demonstration of Orwellian doublethink, that the U.S. is both full to the brim with terrorists who are ready to use any knife or automobile they can get hold of to kill YOU!, but also the Obama administration is doing a terrible job of protecting anyone from them.
posted by XMLicious at 8:27 PM on July 18, 2016 [9 favorites]


Hi everyone! Just an Aussie checking in to see how your election is go-OH MY LORD RUN AND DON'T LOOK BACK CHILD DON'T LOOK BACK
posted by um at 8:27 PM on July 18, 2016 [57 favorites]


Well, it's getting past everyone's bedtimes and Matlock is on over there.
posted by jamaro at 8:27 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


Jason Beardsley calls for "lock her up" as well.
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 8:28 PM on July 18, 2016


Also Zahipedia but be careful with them pop-ups
posted by Senor Cardgage at 8:28 PM on July 18, 2016


Jason Beardsley sounds like a 22 year old white guy who's practiced throwing ninja stars.
posted by nom de poop at 8:29 PM on July 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


bongo_x: I'm not an expert, but is this the most low energy convention ever so far?

Clearly, you're no expert. You don't have a Genuine Fake Trump University Degree in Expertitude, or you'd know this is huuuuge.




... ly disappointing. Yeah. It's a flop.
posted by filthy light thief at 8:29 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


I'm out. I can't watch any more of this. These people won't be happy until America is the nation that bombs the shit out of a country if a capitalist can make some cash out of it.
posted by Talez at 8:29 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


Man, when you're at the RNC and can't get a USA chant going..
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 8:29 PM on July 18, 2016 [12 favorites]


RUN AND DON'T LOOK BACK CHILD DON'T LOOK BACK

Man, if I had anywhere to leave -to-...

... and they money for a passport...
... and... yeah, no. Not a practical option for me, but still feeling tempted. Unfortunately, the nearest border to me is Canada, and they have a pretty high bar for asylum seekers, last I checked.
posted by Archelaus at 8:30 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


You literally just said your friends bled and died. DON'T YOU THINK THAT'S A GOOD ARGUMENT FOR LESS WARS YOU FUCKING TWIT.
posted by Talez at 8:30 PM on July 18, 2016 [13 favorites]


Jason Beardsley calls for "lock her up" as well.

His four attempts to start the "USA" chant didn't go anywhere; I guess he wanted to try a different tack.
posted by egregious theorem at 8:30 PM on July 18, 2016


Damn. It's Slenderman!
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 8:30 PM on July 18, 2016


His friends would be alive if it wasn't for those bathrooms.
posted by nom de poop at 8:30 PM on July 18, 2016 [13 favorites]


This guy literally has your back.
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 8:31 PM on July 18, 2016


Can we replace Trump with this guy?
posted by iffthen at 8:34 PM on July 18, 2016


Seriously, y'all, thank you for the good thread tonight. I've never met a single one of you and wouldn't recognize you if I bumped into you on the street, but it does me good to know that you're out there feeling just as bewildered and horrified as I am.
posted by Salieri at 8:34 PM on July 18, 2016 [50 favorites]


I wouldn't have even been able to watch this without Metafilter
posted by zutalors! at 8:36 PM on July 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


Wait, I just flipped to Fox News only to catch Rudy saying "...Trayvon Martin could have been me." What?
posted by gatorae at 8:37 PM on July 18, 2016


On the plus side, I feel like I'm watching public access TV in the 80s
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 8:38 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


I have successfully escaped the Quicken Loans arena and am on the bus to freedom. Our bus is rebel delegations only which is really comforting right now.

I want to write a thoughtful piece about what happened in there but my mind keeps going around and around and screaming quietly as I try to ponder how this is happening.

Also re the USA chants - I am a person who is like the target audience for those. I can almost always get sucked in. It's a sickness. But I can't chant "USA" at a Trump propaganda show because it doesn't mean the same thing. I can chant "USA" when it means "I love this goddamn country." I can't chant "USA" when it means "Get out, dirty foreigners." I think there were a lot of people who like me were in shock and horror too.
posted by corb at 8:40 PM on July 18, 2016 [174 favorites]


I salute all you brave watchers who are slogging through the bike and bullshit to report back. My ears, eyes, and blood pressure thank you. You are truly detecting of our praise.
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 8:40 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


The higher the shoulder pads, the closer to God.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 8:41 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


go corb!
posted by zutalors! at 8:41 PM on July 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


This gif sums up my feelings at the end of night 1.
posted by peeedro at 8:41 PM on July 18, 2016 [15 favorites]


It's over. EMERGENCY HOPE CHASER.
posted by Rhaomi at 8:42 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


I am strongly pro-skub except replace skub with corb
posted by komara at 8:42 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Adjourned!

New thread tomorrow?
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 8:42 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


Closing the night out with Sweet Caroline.
posted by cortex at 8:42 PM on July 18, 2016


New thread tomorrow?

Surely you can just continue in this thread?
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 8:43 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Now going to Phill Wright, Utah delegate and #nevertrumper claiming his mic was turned off.
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 8:43 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


This gif sums up my feelings at the end of night 1.

I keep watching and it won't hit. WHEN IS IT GOING TO HIT?
posted by Salieri at 8:44 PM on July 18, 2016 [23 favorites]


It really speaks to where the GOP is these days that not one of these speakers made the slightest attempt to justify that Trump -- the actual Donald J. Trump -- was in any way qualified to be seen as the person who would make us safer. Didn't even fucking try. Just assured us that Clinton would be bad and [INSERT NOMINEE HERE] would be good.
posted by Etrigan at 8:44 PM on July 18, 2016 [9 favorites]


You know how pollsters always talk about how Generic Republican or Generic Democrat does better than any actual candidate? They are doing their absolute damnedest to nominate Generic Republican right now.
posted by Etrigan at 8:46 PM on July 18, 2016 [26 favorites]


Tomorrow's Daily News cover
posted by gwint at 8:49 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


You know how pollsters always talk about how Generic Republican or Generic Democrat does better than any actual candidate? They are doing their absolute damnedest to nominate Generic Republican right now.

Trump has to actually speak at this shit though. There's three more days of this, they can't hide him behind rock star rip off entrances the entire time, right?
posted by T.D. Strange at 8:50 PM on July 18, 2016


At least Triumph the Insult Comic Dog is there.
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 8:50 PM on July 18, 2016


I think there were a lot of people who like me were in shock and horror too.

There was practically no enthusiasm from the crowd except when someone said something hateful. The hall looked like it had 300 people in it at the end. This does not seem to be firing up the Trump vote at this point.
posted by bongo_x at 8:50 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


Watching that obama speech (THANK YOU) and it just brought back, like, a vivid flashback of the trailer I saw yesterday before Ghostbusters for that movie about the young Obamas?

what IS that
posted by you're a kitty! at 8:51 PM on July 18, 2016


Duck Something
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 8:51 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


Surely you can just continue in this thread?

I was joking, but this one is over 2,400 already.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 8:52 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


There was practically no enthusiasm from the crowd except when someone said something hateful. The hall looked like it had 300 people in it at the end. This does not seem to be firing up the Trump vote at this point.

The real Trump vote can't afford to attend in person, we won't know whether they're fired up until the reports of an increase in racially motivated violence.
posted by T.D. Strange at 8:52 PM on July 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


Make that over 1,300. We got a ways, but not a long one.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 8:54 PM on July 18, 2016


So what's the NeverTrump plan for tomorrow looking like?
posted by zachlipton at 9:00 PM on July 18, 2016


Melania's speechwriter was maybe a bit too inspired by Michelle Obama's speech.
posted by SarahElizaP at 9:00 PM on July 18, 2016 [37 favorites]


Never Trump delegates have one last chance.

Oh boy. I was worried that the real fun was over. But apparently Unruh has a mystery magic phrase that will keep hope of another nominee alive:
"There's a process that you use," Unruh explained. "You have to actually directly challenge at the microphone to the chairman and say a specific phrase or they are going to call it out of order." She declined to state the phrase, citing strategic reasons.
This is guaranteed to fail, of course, but will surely make for good television.
posted by dis_integration at 9:00 PM on July 18, 2016 [14 favorites]


I just feel... alarmed. It's the same feeling as when I look over and my toddler has somehow found a paring knife and is waving it around, and my mind ceases all function beyond 'NO! MUST STOP YOU! NO NO NO!' I'm not sure how I'm supposed to sleep now.
posted by gatorae at 9:00 PM on July 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


"There's a process that you use," Unruh explained. "You have to actually directly challenge at the microphone to the chairman and say a specific phrase or they are going to call it out of order." She declined to state the phrase, citing strategic reasons.

Ye gods, if we've had to turn to the killswitches already...
posted by Spatch at 9:01 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


If there's gold fringe on the banners it's actually a naval convention.
posted by Artw at 9:03 PM on July 18, 2016 [73 favorites]


Not a big line at the merch booth, I see.
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 9:04 PM on July 18, 2016


If there's gold fringe on the banners it's actually a naval convention.

How should l feel about being versed enough in tin-foil-hattery to know exactly what you're talking about.
posted by dis_integration at 9:05 PM on July 18, 2016 [22 favorites]


> "There's a process that you use," Unruh explained. "You have to actually directly challenge at the microphone to the chairman and say a specific phrase or they are going to call it out of order." She declined to state the phrase, citing strategic reasons.

Have they been talking to the Sovereign Citizens Movement about strategic advice now?
posted by mrzarquon at 9:05 PM on July 18, 2016 [8 favorites]


"You have to actually directly challenge at the microphone to the chairman and say a specific phrase or they are going to call it out of order." She declined to state the phrase, citing strategic reasons.

SUBEIRP ECNIER
posted by jason_steakums at 9:05 PM on July 18, 2016 [66 favorites]


Is there really a wide swath of Americans that believe that in 26 years that the US has gone from Cold War victor and Beef Supreme Hyperpower to noodle-armed weakling besieged and mocked on all sides by foreign bullies and within by academics, politicians, illegals, and PC/Left Activists?

Cause it seems to be the closest thing to a coherent thread I could pull out so far from this train wreck.
posted by FJT at 9:06 PM on July 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


I'm honestly waiting for some serious Bob Roberts level shit happening now.
posted by mrzarquon at 9:06 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


You didn't spend enough time in the Oregon standoff threads then...

We are all versed in the moon lawyer crowd.
posted by Windopaene at 9:07 PM on July 18, 2016 [11 favorites]


Melania's speech was plagiarized from Michelle Obama's 2008 convention speech by the way.
posted by dilaudid at 9:08 PM on July 18, 2016 [35 favorites]


The Americans should take tomorrow night off and leave the RNC liveblogging to us internationals, then you can show up and say 'so, anything interesting?' and we'll just stand there like Sam Neill fresh off the Event Horizon and say 'no, it was pretty quiet' but we won't let go of your arm.
posted by um at 9:08 PM on July 18, 2016 [49 favorites]


You have to actually directly challenge at the microphone to the chairman and say a specific phrase or they are going to call it out of order.

Or they'll call a voice vote.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 9:09 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


Meanwhile, Stephen Colbert just dusted off Stephen Colbert for his reaction to the convention.
posted by dry white toast at 9:09 PM on July 18, 2016 [10 favorites]


The C-SPAN callers seem very less pro-Trump after midnight.
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 9:09 PM on July 18, 2016


Hilarious Bush-esque interview moment with Rick Perry on Fox News: Obama and Clinton are using "subterfusion" to deceive everyone about everything, but Donald Trump will not lie to the American people.
posted by XMLicious at 9:11 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


She declined to state the phrase, citing strategic reasons.

Sadly, the phrase is "Benghazi."
posted by tonycpsu at 9:11 PM on July 18, 2016 [11 favorites]


But, ok, If there's any place in the whole world where moon lawyering is likely to actually work, it's the Republican National Convention, right?
posted by sporkwort at 9:13 PM on July 18, 2016 [10 favorites]


I had a dream that Trump got off his plane wearing a kewpie mask and holding a bloody hatchet and nobody noticed

I wanted to share that with somebody
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 9:13 PM on July 18, 2016 [15 favorites]


tonycpsu: She declined to state the phrase, citing strategic reasons. Sadly, the phrase is "Benghazi."

I thought it was ACCIO SANITAS.
posted by Superplin at 9:14 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Is there really a wide swath of Americans that believe that in 26 years that the US has gone from Cold War victor and Beef Supreme Hyperpower to noodle-armed weakling besieged and mocked on all sides by foreign bullies and within by academics, politicians, illegals, and PC/Left Activists?

And don't forget the gays. But yes, that is exactly what they believe.

Anyone else remember back during the Bush II years when someone from his White House described people outside the administration as living in the "reality-based world"?

Think of the RNC has being a window into that other world.
posted by dry white toast at 9:14 PM on July 18, 2016 [17 favorites]


I think it was "reality has a strong liberal bias"
posted by lkc at 9:19 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


One of corn's comments tonight is that she's not going to give up. So can they buck up the whipped delegates and resubmit the petition for a vote tomorrow? Or is there something else the never trumps can do?
posted by ocschwar at 9:20 PM on July 18, 2016


Reality-based community
posted by dumbland at 9:21 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


> Is there really a wide swath of Americans that believe that in 26 years that the US has gone from Cold War victor and Beef Supreme Hyperpower to noodle-armed weakling besieged and mocked on all sides by foreign bullies and within by academics, politicians, illegals, and PC/Left Activists?

Fun fact, the newest voters were born in 1998. In 2001 they introduced No Child Left Behind, which gutted many school programs in exchange for being able to pass standardized tests. They practically grew up with a world that was always at war in the middle east.

Now imagine if that same kid was born in a Red State / Conservative family, and since age 11 only heard of Obama as the secret muslim.

Now they can vote.
posted by mrzarquon at 9:21 PM on July 18, 2016 [75 favorites]


MSNBC just showed blatant plagiarism of Michelle Obama by Melania Trump, or more likely her speechwriters
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 9:23 PM on July 18, 2016 [8 favorites]


Thanks for that dumbland. Looking-glass level stuff.
posted by dry white toast at 9:24 PM on July 18, 2016




Wow, she really did just plagiarize a speech from Michelle Obama.
posted by Catblack at 9:24 PM on July 18, 2016 [10 favorites]


MSNBC just showed blatant plagiarism of Michelle Obama by Melania Trump, or more likely her speechwriters

The fuck? How on earth do you expect people not to notice this stuff?

Unless it is a coded plea for help...
posted by Artw at 9:25 PM on July 18, 2016 [20 favorites]


If you're curious what kind of threats were used against delegates, they included "The Trump campaign will remember your name. Trump will act against you and your state when he is elected if you don't withdraw."
posted by corb at 9:26 PM on July 18, 2016 [115 favorites]


I'm very, very familiar with the sort of "writer" who thinks it's OK to take a whole paragraph and change a few words like that. And thus I know that we're probably going to find out that that wasn't the only paragraph lifted from something.
posted by mmoncur at 9:27 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


Unless it is a coded plea for help...

No joke, I think it might be something like that
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 9:27 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


> ... when he is elected ...

When he is elected? Optimism, or another one of those unskewed-poll bubbles?
posted by RedOrGreen at 9:28 PM on July 18, 2016


Yes, the speechwriter also took a line from one of Rick Astley's songs.
posted by dilaudid at 9:29 PM on July 18, 2016 [13 favorites]


I'm going to revise my earlier comment.

This is going to be a disaster of many kinds.
posted by Drinky Die at 9:29 PM on July 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


NO they think it's sabotage what the fuck are you kidding me

MSNBC just did the work for Trump, theorizing that they were betrayed by a speechwriter

It's like for a moment they all saw that a major party had nominated a fascist clown baby and then unanimously decided to turn away from the void and just keep talking until they said words that might provide an alternative explanation
posted by schadenfrau at 9:30 PM on July 18, 2016 [18 favorites]


From 538: "Halfway through his speech, Marcus Luttrell said that he wasn’t used to teleprompters, and that he was just going to speak from the heart. The crowd here in Quicken Loans Arena ate it up. It was a great moment of showmanship. The catch? Given our vantage point behind the stage, we could see that every subsequent word of his speech was also in the teleprompter. Great theater takes practice, folks."
posted by Senor Cardgage at 9:33 PM on July 18, 2016 [105 favorites]


Everyone is saying "of course Melania didn't write it"; but what if she did? Like, on purpose?
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 9:33 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Well that's unknowable, but she is on record saying she wrote it herself.
posted by dilaudid at 9:36 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


When Death and Grief Become Part of an Arena Spectacular: Army moms and war widows, side by side with Giuliani and Chachi.​
No, what I'm talking about is the shameless exploitation of weaponized grief, presented on behalf of a man whose entire public life has been devoid of any evidence of empathy, except when it could be worked to his personal advantage. And that is what happened on Monday night, on Make America Safe Again Night at the Republican National Convention. The testimony from the podium was heartbreaking. The use to which that testimony was put was positively indecent.

Widows. Gold Star mothers. Poignant stories of love and loss, the emotional truth of them unarguable. But coined into tribute to someone who wouldn't have given any of them a second look if he'd tripped over them before this year. Their grief and lost loved ones are simply grist for his ambition. They were the contestants in his greatest performance piece of all. It was a profoundly depressing spectacle.
posted by homunculus at 9:36 PM on July 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


MSNBC just straight up calling for Manafort's head because of this assault on Trump's wife

what
posted by schadenfrau at 9:37 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


Jesus, corb. Is there any chance anyone may have captured audio of these threats?

MSNBC did a brief interview earlier with a delegate from Utah who was cornered in a restroom and told she should die.
posted by wallabear at 9:37 PM on July 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


Honestly, this feels like a troll to me. They are baiting people to attack her over what is not really that big a deal. I think they will continue to say she wrote it too. I can hear the words "Joe Biden" being added to every speech the rest of the week now.
posted by Drinky Die at 9:39 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


This is so fucking weird and gross

"it could be anyone but Melania Trump"
posted by schadenfrau at 9:39 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


Guys, I think this new season of Veep is too unrealistic.
posted by dry white toast at 9:40 PM on July 18, 2016 [15 favorites]


I'm kind of hopeful that this is the death knell of white nationalism as a major political force in this country...

Are you kidding? This is primetime, baby. The big time. Blasting the message nationwide. Best recruiting video evar.
posted by Thorzdad at 9:42 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


Oh hey, the media has a petty distraction from all the fucking fascist shit over the other 7 hours of the convention! She plagiarized! Don't think about white power and the C word and the bloodlust, it's the plagiarism that's the real story here!
posted by T.D. Strange at 9:44 PM on July 18, 2016 [31 favorites]


Chris Matthews mixing some weird metaphors about taking the heat and smelling the fish and falling on the sword
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 9:45 PM on July 18, 2016


Checkmate!
posted by Drinky Die at 9:45 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


They are baiting people to attack her over what is not really that big a deal.

As a public speaking instructor, I fail students and have them put on academic probation ever semester for plagiazing speech lines. Sure, it's not lying the country into a disastrous war, but a campaign that will plagiarize will take ethical shortcuts elsewhere too. For crying out loud, she stole lines about the value of hard work from her political nemesis! It's shameful.
posted by Pater Aletheias at 9:46 PM on July 18, 2016 [78 favorites]


I like that the only halfway not-crazy speech was plagiarized from Michelle Obama. That says a lot right there.

Also, what the hell is going to happen in Days 2-4 if this is Day 1?
posted by schroedinger at 9:46 PM on July 18, 2016 [10 favorites]


12 hours of wild-eyed rabid fascist agitprop and in the end the big takeaway is plagiarism.
posted by Senor Cardgage at 9:47 PM on July 18, 2016 [22 favorites]


The astonishing this is how blatant and dumb this plagiarism is. I mean grabbing stuff from an old law review article isn't, you know, acceptable, but you might conceivably get away with it. Lifting lines from one of four prospective first lady convention speeches in the last eight years is enough to, once again, call into question the basic competence of the Trump campaign organization. Can we expect the White House speechwriting staff to plagarize Putin speeches under Trump?
posted by zachlipton at 9:47 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


I mean I'll take it. But dang.
posted by Senor Cardgage at 9:48 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


The astonishing this is how blatant and dumb this plagiarism is.

It's not that astonishing if you consider it from the fact that the Trump/RNC/modern-GOP crowd honestly believes that they're smarter than everyone else. They really thought they would get away with it. It's the Donald-Kruger effect in action.
posted by chimaera at 9:50 PM on July 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


It's shameful.

Sorry, plagiarism is literally the least shameful thing that happened over the entire course of that broadcast.
posted by T.D. Strange at 9:50 PM on July 18, 2016 [33 favorites]


In other news, after Antonio Sábato Jr. spoke at the convention, he gave an interview to ABC News where he asserted that Obama is a secret Muslim. We start with “If you understand Obama, that’s not a Christian name, is it?” and go downhill from there.
posted by zachlipton at 9:50 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]




I think the plagiarism is kind of a big deal considering the words were taken from the people that they just spent the night trying to destroy and paint as the Anti-Christ. It also makes you wonder what the hell is going on there.
posted by bongo_x at 9:52 PM on July 18, 2016 [36 favorites]


12 hours of wild-eyed rabid fascist agitprop and in the end the big takeaway is plagiarism.

This is all true, but somehow the speech is still the weirdest thing that happened tonight
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 9:54 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


Video of Melania Trump before the speech discussing how she only had to read the speech over once before she gave it because "I wrote it...with a little help as possible."
posted by zachlipton at 9:55 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]




they got capone for tax evasion, i guess
posted by murphy slaw at 9:55 PM on July 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


The astonishing this is how blatant and dumb this plagiarism is.

It's actually a perfect summary of the night.

"WHITE PEOPLE ARE THE BEST NO ONE ELSE HAS EVER CONTRIBUTED ANYTHING."

[steals contributions of black people, claims as own]
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 9:56 PM on July 18, 2016 [173 favorites]


Oh god the snark. I mean Melania Trump having a speech with a plagiarized section is basically nothing in comparison to the racist, nativist, hateful crap that's been said, but in my twitter feed Adam Serwer found a tweet of Trump's praising Michelle Obama's speech. Like if I thought the Trump campaign wasn't flailing from idea to idea, it's almost like they planted plagiarism in the speech to distract.
posted by R343L at 9:56 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


This is all true, but somehow the speech is still the weirdest thing that happened tonight

I mean, Rep. Steve King said on live TV that white people are the only ones who have ever done anything useful for the world, but sure okay, the speech was the *really* crazy thing.
posted by dry white toast at 9:56 PM on July 18, 2016 [14 favorites]


The plagiarism is important, but if thats the only thing people remember about tonight's speech - not the names and faces of the people who, hopefully after this campaign fails miserably, will try to return to life as if they never were a racist, xenophobic, twit - then it was a wonderful and well placed distraction.

You don't need to cover up your gaffs if you just keep making bigger ones to distract from the more subtle ones. News fatigue is in your favor.
posted by mrzarquon at 9:56 PM on July 18, 2016 [12 favorites]


Think of it as the cherry on top.
posted by Artw at 9:57 PM on July 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


zachlipton: I find it interesting that somehow it's important for Melania Trump to emphasize how little effort she had to prepare, as if somehow it's wrong to actually prepare for a speech and make sure it's well delivered. The last speech-like thing I gave of any length was a tech talk I expected maybe 100 viewers for (turns out I ended up with a lot more). And that I rehearsed in front of others at least 10 times, and many times on my own (and in the shower, and in my head ...) There's nothing wrong with practicing before giving a public talk, but she had to go out of her way to assure the audience that she didn't need to. I don't get it.
posted by R343L at 9:59 PM on July 18, 2016 [12 favorites]


I mean, it goes right along with Trump's anti-teleprompter nonsense but I don't get why it resonates so much. I guess speeches aren't "hard" even though they are so a politician (or person adjacent to one) shouldn't admit they take practice to do well?
posted by R343L at 10:01 PM on July 18, 2016


Racist party full of racist people goes full racist isn't as big a surprise to me as cribbing from Michelle Obama
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 10:02 PM on July 18, 2016 [13 favorites]


It's the Trump Brand™ confidence and cult of personality. He doesn't need to rehearse and his wife doesn't either by association. They are just naturally born superior leaders and you should follow them.
posted by mrzarquon at 10:03 PM on July 18, 2016 [8 favorites]


I think part of the idea there was that she didn't need to practice over and over again because she wrote the speech (with "a little help" she'll acknowledge) and so is intimately familiar with it already. Plus it fits in with the whole no teleprompter thing, even though there was obvious teleprompter. But she could have done it without it you see.

Speaking of the no teleprompter thing, those crazy Benghazi security contractors lied about that too as noted upthread.
posted by zachlipton at 10:03 PM on July 18, 2016


@gwillowwilson: So..."one party under God"...when translated into Arabic...is Hezbollah...just throwing that out there...
posted by Artw at 10:05 PM on July 18, 2016 [21 favorites]


> I mean, it goes right along with Trump's anti-teleprompter nonsense but I don't get why it resonates so much

It is W's anti-intellectualism, but taken to the extreme. They are speaking to the under educated, disenfranchised, voiceless whites who respond to authoritative voices. They don't need the words to be truthful, they just need to sound confident, reassuring, the voice of someone whose gonna do them right for once, don't worry.
posted by mrzarquon at 10:05 PM on July 18, 2016 [9 favorites]


I teach public speaking and it is hard. There's three equally important stages in a speech: creating the text (including research, wiring and revision), practicing the speech (rehearse it out loud so you could at least ad lib the major points if you had to) and then present the speech. Most inexperienced speakers skimp on point 2 which means they blow it on point 3.

There are people who are great readers and don't care what they are actually saying. That doesn't mean they're great speakers. In general, if you don't practice, you don't do your best.
posted by Joey Michaels at 10:06 PM on July 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


Well guys, I thought the Trumpster fire was over for the night so I went and watched the last episode of Preacher. AND I MISSED THE GREATEST EVENT IN HUMAN HISTORY?

Seriously? Melania Trump plagiarized MICHELLE OBAMA? My god. This is incredible.
posted by Justinian at 10:08 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


Huh. I have no sense for these things, but the plagiarism thing is so easy to understand, and so blatant, and the target is so juicy (she stole the bits about hard work and integrity, and she stole the words from Michelle Obama), that it might actually have legs.

The search for scapegoats is on - they're already asking if it was deliberate sabotage of the big speech by Clinton's speechwriter moles within the Trump campaign.
posted by RedOrGreen at 10:08 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


I have sympathy for her though. Melania is probably a hapless victim here. Feels weird to say that, like it's taking agency away from her. But it is Donald Trump we're talking about, so, he's probably already stripped her of that.
posted by yesster at 10:11 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


Well guys, I thought the Trumpster fire was over for the night so I went and watched the last episode of Preacher. AND I MISSED THE GREATEST EVENT IN HUMAN HISTORY?

Side by side video, enjoy.
posted by Drinky Die at 10:11 PM on July 18, 2016 [36 favorites]


I feel for the comedy writers at this point. How do you out-write this?
posted by schadenfrau at 10:13 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


Racist party full of racist people goes full racist isn't as big a surprise to me as cribbing from Michelle Obama

White people have been stealing from black people and taking credit for literally hundreds of years.
posted by dirigibleman at 10:13 PM on July 18, 2016 [24 favorites]


I'm watching CNN and it was a great night except for this and it may or may not be plagiarism and this is just nitpicking.
posted by Artw at 10:13 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


"Plagiarized a speech" is an easy and digestible scandal.

Calling out a larger pattern of bigotry and drawing parallels with fascist regimes is much more difficult on account of how many times that accusation has been thrown around by everyone about everyone else since Hitler took power. Yes, even though in this case it's accurate.
posted by schroedinger at 10:14 PM on July 18, 2016 [18 favorites]


I think the plagiarism was deliberate so people attack Mrs. Trump and then they can make hay of a liberal double standard. We got upset about his poor wife deliberately copying somebody else's speech but we're not upset about Clinton doing all the things conservatives claim she did?

So basically it's a trap.
posted by Joey Michaels at 10:14 PM on July 18, 2016 [8 favorites]


Also, MSNBC keeps playing the clip from Matt Lauer's interview with Melania before the speech, and holy shit is he creepy and condescending.

"Did you practice a lot?"

*speaks slowly, touches her arm for no reason*

Like she's five and a flower girl or something
posted by schadenfrau at 10:14 PM on July 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


That Howard Dean Scream seems so very minor these days, yet it derailed his campaign.
posted by yesster at 10:16 PM on July 18, 2016 [20 favorites]




they're already asking if it was deliberate sabotage of the big speech by Clinton's speechwriter moles within the Trump campaign.
posted by RedOrGreen at 12:08 AM on July 19


Oh, holy hell that is really reaching. So, if that's true, then the Trump people will have to admit they were outwitted (they'll phrase it as subverted or something more sinister) by the HRC campaign.
posted by InsertNiftyNameHere at 10:16 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


I managed to get an advance copy of Trump's keynote speech later this week. Here's a teaser:

"It was hard growing up as a black woman on the south side of Chicago..."
posted by Justinian at 10:16 PM on July 18, 2016 [41 favorites]


People harping on the plagiarism is exactly the kind of distraction the Trump people want. It's going to be spun and hyped as "liberal elites beating up on a faithful wife" by Trump mouthpieces all over the dial, and end up being the story instead of the white power rally that was day one of the RNC.

The speech is a non-story.
posted by Thorzdad at 10:17 PM on July 18, 2016 [13 favorites]


rudy guiliani did the dean scream for his entire speech and the media are like "rudy's feeling his oats tonight!"
posted by murphy slaw at 10:17 PM on July 18, 2016 [14 favorites]


Side by side video, enjoy.

oh boy, plagiarism aside, Melania Trump does not come out ahead in that comparison.
posted by lalex at 10:18 PM on July 18, 2016 [9 favorites]


So, if that's true, then the Trump people will have to admit they were outwitted (they'll phrase it as subverted or something more sinister) by the HRC campaign.

Well, you see, the sheriffs are simultaneously cowardly weaklings and awesomely powerful.
posted by Artw at 10:18 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


I wouldn't put it past MSNBC to have planted the speech just so they could talk about that instead of the Actual Fascism on display the rest of the night. All it'd take is one well placed and undoubtedly poorly vetted intern.
posted by T.D. Strange at 10:18 PM on July 18, 2016


The twitter hashtag #FamousMelaniaTrumpQuotes is pretty funny.
posted by Apoch at 10:18 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


If this opening night is indicative of the tone they're setting for the convention, they're really opening up a messaging opportunity for Clinton. Dishing out red meat and boogieman stories to scared white people will please the base, but doom and gloom isn't going to appeal to a broader audience. If the Democrats' convention focuses on diversity, inclusiveness and optimism it'll be a much more appealing message.
posted by kirkaracha at 10:21 PM on July 18, 2016 [17 favorites]


"Yeah the plagiarism wasn't near the worst thing about the speeches" yeah but it's a hand-hold in the rock everyone can understand. Racism, fascism, classism, all words people have mental kill files for, a paper trail provable thing everyone understands? Cherry on top, or straw that breaks the camel's back, for all the reasons noted, but pretty much everyone agrees plagiarism is a Bad Thing.
posted by The Whelk at 10:22 PM on July 18, 2016 [11 favorites]


On a sobering note, these are the people running 4 points behind the most qualified candidate for President in my lifetime. These people.
posted by Justinian at 10:23 PM on July 18, 2016 [42 favorites]


I wouldn't put it past MSNBC to have planted the speech just so they could talk about that instead of the Actual Fascism on display the rest of the night. All it'd take is one well placed and undoubtedly poorly vetted intern.

kindly step back from this abyss
posted by murphy slaw at 10:23 PM on July 18, 2016 [38 favorites]


Melania was The Big Speech tonight. It's the only one that gets a clip on the local morning news. Everything else was just crazy people saying crazy shit, nobody cares outside of Twitter.
posted by theodolite at 10:23 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


This is going to be a disaster of some kind.

Word count overload detected. Is that the Treaty of Westphalia you're "quoting"?
posted by infini at 10:24 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


Side by side video, enjoy.
posted by Drinky Die at 12:11 AM on July 19


Wow! That footage leaves no doubt whatsoever. WTF was the Trump campaign thinking? Nobody would notice? Couldn't be more damning evidence, IMHO.
posted by InsertNiftyNameHere at 10:25 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Could somebody get #RepSteveKingHistory going? Stuff like:

No other subgroup contributed more to rhythm and blues than white people

Or

No other subgroup contributed more to the development of algebra than white people?
posted by Joey Michaels at 10:26 PM on July 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


Two of these of my politically inclined friends have been posting on FB during the convention. As soon as the Melania Trump thing broke, it was posted about 10 times. It's sad that this fluff is going to dominate the news cycle rather than looking at the hate-mongering and lies from the other speakers.

Plus while the planarian does seem to be confirmable, it's pretty generic mom and spple pie stuff. If they just moved the sentences around, it's possible no one would have noticed.
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 10:27 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


At this point I kind of don't care if they lose because they are fascist hatemongers or because people decide they don't like Trump's ties. The important thing is they lose.
posted by Justinian at 10:30 PM on July 18, 2016 [31 favorites]


I watched to see the crazy as it went down, for history, but I was really surprised at the X-Treme level of crazy on display, not to mention hatefulness and overall sheer amateurish of the whole thing. They weren't even trying to gloss it over and couldn't control their frothing at all.

How this brings in moderates and undecided voters is beyond me. I really don't understand the plan. There seem to be no adults in charge.

Blowout.
posted by bongo_x at 10:31 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


> the planarian does seem to be confirmable

Anyone want The Confirmable Planarian as a sock puppet name?
posted by You Can't Tip a Buick at 10:31 PM on July 18, 2016 [8 favorites]


rudy guiliani did the dean scream for his entire speech and the media are like "rudy's feeling his oats tonight!"

Never heard that particular term for meth before
posted by iffthen at 10:31 PM on July 18, 2016 [25 favorites]


Like no one has to run like Plaragism 101 past people before they realize it's not a good thing. Everyone thinks Plaragism is bad and there hasn't been decades of well maybe plagiarism is secretly good dog whistle campaigns or corner stones of party policy.
posted by The Whelk at 10:31 PM on July 18, 2016 [20 favorites]


If they lose because people decide they don't like Trump's ties, the next fascist (who wears different ties, or no ties at all) could win just fine.
posted by stolyarova at 10:32 PM on July 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


It's like some time traveler from the future has come back to try and sabotage the Trump campaign in order to save humanity from the hell that will flow from his presidency, but every wrench thrown into the machinery just gets chewed up, and the machine keeps rolling on. Anybody else would have been completely derailed by now, but the Donald is rolling on. I don't understand it at all.
posted by yesster at 10:32 PM on July 18, 2016 [15 favorites]


There's a tipping point.
posted by bongo_x at 10:33 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


The media narrative was never going to be These People Are Scary. If it wasn't this it'd be That Benghazi Stuff Sounded Pretty Bad or Maybe Blue Lives Matter
posted by theodolite at 10:35 PM on July 18, 2016 [16 favorites]


There's a tipping point.

Surely this...
posted by Drinky Die at 10:36 PM on July 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


The time traveler actually came back to cause the Trump campaign to succeed, which is why the uncanny survival. They're taking care of everything that tripped Trump up in previous iterations.
posted by Spathe Cadet at 10:36 PM on July 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


Does Marty McFly need Biff Tannen to survive for some reason?
posted by stolyarova at 10:39 PM on July 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


I was just happy to hear Rudy say this was the last election, because I'm sick of them. I wonder what the new party will be called.
posted by bongo_x at 10:39 PM on July 18, 2016


The dangerous fascist criticism doesn't stick, because most people don't really know what it means.

"They're frauds and con artists" is a criticism everyone understands. It's less than 10 words and goes directly to character.
posted by schadenfrau at 10:40 PM on July 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


That makes more sense. The Donald's campaign is all wrenches. There is no machine. So some outside force must be keeping it together.
posted by yesster at 10:40 PM on July 18, 2016


Beating up on Trump's wife, no matter the reason, is going to backfire. It's just going to create sympathy from people on all sides.

And it is a distraction from the real issues raised tonight.
posted by JackFlash at 10:41 PM on July 18, 2016 [13 favorites]


The Shiny New Party (which will annoy much of Scotland)
posted by iffthen at 10:41 PM on July 18, 2016


The time traveller is the dude from Primer and he's losing his grip on reality with each trip back to try and fix things.
posted by cmfletcher at 10:42 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


The time traveler actually came back to cause the Trump campaign to succeed, which is why the uncanny survival.

If you accept a quantum bifurcation multiverse theory of the universe in which every moment of chance—every time an atom could either decay or not decay, say—leads not to one or the other outcome happening but rather each happening but in different parallel-until-that-moment copies of the universe, then no time traveler is even needed.

That is: the universe in which all these campaign-killing errors manage not to kill Trump's campaign are just one unusually unlucky through-line of bad coin flips out of a constantly growing infinity of possible universes.

Upside: there are other, better worlds in which his announcement speech last year was in fact the definitive end of his campaign.

Downside: not only does this election cycle suck, it sucks more than the cosmological average.
posted by cortex at 10:44 PM on July 18, 2016 [71 favorites]


I'm sick of these parallel universes lording it over us let's invade them and take their stuff
posted by um at 10:47 PM on July 18, 2016 [33 favorites]


hey y'all, remember the other day when Trump wanted Don King to speak at the convention and Reince Priebus was all like, "oooooooh nooooooo, he's a felon, it would be improper to associate ourselves with a felon"?

i mean there are standards
posted by indubitable at 10:49 PM on July 18, 2016 [11 favorites]


I'm sick of these parallel universes lording it over us let's invade them and take their stuff

Are you saying the RNC is the premiere for Rick and Morty Season 3?
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 10:49 PM on July 18, 2016 [16 favorites]


That is: the universe in which all these campaign-killing errors manage not to kill Trump's campaign are just one unusually unlucky through-line of bad coin flips out of a constantly growing infinity of possible universes.

Oh no, not again.
posted by Drinky Die at 10:50 PM on July 18, 2016 [25 favorites]


Side by side video, enjoy.

What I really want is side by side by side video of Trump's speech, Obama's speech, and that guy in Scanners whose head explodes.
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 10:51 PM on July 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


That is: the universe in which all these campaign-killing errors manage not to kill Trump's campaign are just one unusually unlucky through-line of bad coin flips out of a constantly growing infinity of possible universes.

The Quantum Campaign: if today's antics don't poll well, destroy the universe.
posted by murphy slaw at 10:52 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


I feel for the comedy writers at this point. How do you out-write this?

well, do you remember when Dick Cheney shot his friend in the face and then made him apologize? Something worse than that, god forbid.
posted by lkc at 10:54 PM on July 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


Trump Campaign Statement on Melania Trump Speech

"In writing her beautiful speech, Melania's team of writers took notes on her life's inspirations, and in some instances included fragments that reflected her own thinking. Melania's immigrant experience and love for America shone through in her speech which made it such a success.

-Jason Miller, Senior Communications Advisor

posted by Drinky Die at 11:01 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


Damn, the side-by-side is pretty damning. Hearing a Trump say: [your] word is [your] bond is a bigger joke than the alt-right calling everything "based".

Word is bond, yo.
posted by lkc at 11:01 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


tonycpsu: “As usual, thank you to MetaFilter for being the pinhole camera that allows so many of us to safely observe this grotesque spectacle.”
I decided that if I was going to watch it, I needed to see the Fox News version of it. I should not have done that.


P.S. And the commercials! I saw an NRA commercial that I just couldn't believe.
posted by ob1quixote at 11:01 PM on July 18, 2016 [9 favorites]


No other subgroup contributed more to the development of algebra than white people?
posted by Joey Michaels at 12:26 AM on July 19


I don't think we even need to go that far or even introducing the concept of zero. I think we're safe to say that Arabic numbers were a huge (or is that yuge?) improvement over Roman numbers. It's simple arithmetic, but it sure works a lot better.
posted by InsertNiftyNameHere at 11:03 PM on July 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


@costareports
I'm told Jason Miller and Paul Manafort worked on the statement together over the past hour. Trump is scheduled to do TV in the morning.


That statement took an hour to write and I'm not sure if it actually communicates any information.
posted by Drinky Die at 11:04 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


I decided that if I was going to watch it, I needed to see the Fox News version of it. I should not have done that.

I started to but wimped out. I ended up on C-Span. It was even weirder with no commentary.
posted by bongo_x at 11:06 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


so, it turns out that jacking a good speech from a brilliant, accomplished, and rousing attorney doesn't actually do that much for you if your primary accomplishment is having married a wealthy, insane fascist
posted by threeants at 11:06 PM on July 18, 2016 [10 favorites]


If I'm Trump I just go with that's it's a really odd coincidence.
posted by mazola at 11:09 PM on July 18, 2016


It's really not that close. Wishful thinking, and it will make anti-Trump people look bad if they push too hard on someone who is quiet, pretty, and doesn't speak English as her first language.
posted by Rock 'em Sock 'em at 11:09 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


Writing. Agriculture. Cities. Just three little things that white people didn't invent. Also they're pretty much 99% of civilization.
posted by um at 11:09 PM on July 18, 2016 [29 favorites]


I'm sick of these parallel universes lording it over us let's invade them and take their stuff

That's plagiarizing - not sure if Silverberg, Niven or Turtledove though.

I don't think we even need to go that far or even introducing the concept of zero. I think we're safe to say that Arabic numbers


Tsk, they plagiarized it from Sanskrit.
posted by infini at 11:09 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


It's really not that close. Wishful thinking, and it will make anti-Trump people look bad if they push too hard on someone who is quiet, pretty, and doesn't speak English as her first language.

Rock 'em Sock 'em: are you in fact Donald Trump?
posted by iffthen at 11:12 PM on July 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


it will make anti-Trump people look bad if they push too hard on someone who is quiet, pretty, and doesn't speak English as her first language.

Not pushing against her, pushing against the speech writers specifically and the campaign in general.
posted by yesster at 11:13 PM on July 18, 2016


Wittiest #FamousMelaniaTrumpQuotes:

@ProfessorCrunk: with "First things first, I'm the realest"
posted by iffthen at 11:16 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


P.S. And the commercials! I saw an NRA commercial that I just couldn't believe.

The actual fuck?

I just deleted all of my first impressions, and have to just leave it at that.
posted by lkc at 11:16 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


Tsk, they plagiarized it from Sanskrit.
posted by infini at 1:09 AM on July 19


Well, now I feel lied to. I apologize to the world, past and present.

I still stand by my arithmetic argument, though. (Or are you saying that Sanskrit came up with Arabic numbers as well? If so, holy shit I have been royally lied to.)

Not that any Trump supporters would understand what I mean.
posted by InsertNiftyNameHere at 11:16 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


At this point in America I would not really be that surprised if the Trump campaign countered that actually Michelle Obama had plagiarized Melania, and it somehow stuck and dominated the news cycle
posted by threeants at 11:18 PM on July 18, 2016 [13 favorites]


So that's the headline on CNN.COM:

"Plagiarism in Melania Trump Speech"

While I'm glad this is stealing their message and making them look like the incompetent train wreck that they are, I think it's also covering up a TON of nasty content from this convention. Scott Baio alone did way worse things than plagiarizing a single paragraph of a speech.

I also think Clinton shouldn't touch this with a 10-foot pole. Attacking the candidate's wife, and pretty much the least horrible person who spoke all day, is just going to come off as cruel. Worse, it would seem like Clinton was going head-to-head with Melania, when her real opponent is Donald.
posted by mmoncur at 11:19 PM on July 18, 2016 [25 favorites]


Michelle Obama took a time machine from 2008 to 2016 to plagiarize Melania Trump's truly spectacular speech and then went back in time to pass it off as her own. Sad!
posted by the return of the thin white sock at 11:19 PM on July 18, 2016 [12 favorites]


Writing. Agriculture. Cities. Just three little things that white people didn't invent.

Don't forget the gunpowder they love so goddamn much.
posted by rifflesby at 11:21 PM on July 18, 2016 [26 favorites]


Rock 'em Sock 'em: are you in fact Donald Trump?

Donald Trump is a hell of a poster, hell of a commenter. Lot of favorites, that guy. Lot of pluses.
posted by Rock 'em Sock 'em at 11:21 PM on July 18, 2016 [32 favorites]


Trump Campaign Statement on Melania Trump Speech

"In writing her beautiful speech, Melania's team of writers took notes on her life's inspirations, and in some instances included fragments that reflected her own thinking. Melania's immigrant experience and love for America shone through in her speech which made it such a success.

-Jason Miller, Senior Communications Advisor


Someone called a Senior Communications Advisor allowed that porridge to be attributed to them.
posted by Corinth at 11:23 PM on July 18, 2016 [14 favorites]


Not bad Rock 'em Sock 'em, not bad.
posted by iffthen at 11:23 PM on July 18, 2016


!!Please Fwd: The Federal Government Is Now Going *FORWARD INTO TIME* To Steal Hard-Working American's Intellectual Property. Thanks, Obama
posted by threeants at 11:24 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


in conclusion, melania is a land of contrasts
posted by murphy slaw at 11:24 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


I still stand by my arithmetic argument, though. (Or are you saying that Sanskrit came up with Arabic numbers as well?

Apparently its a love child of a decades long passionate affair.

posted by infini at 11:29 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


I really am amazed at how MSNBC is handling the plagiarism issue. They're giving a complete pass to the Trump campaign.

And they're completely ignoring the white supremacist show that preceded Melania's speech.
posted by yesster at 11:35 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


What do you mean about a pass? They've done nothing but talk about the plagiarism for the last hour and a half I've been watching?
posted by Justinian at 11:37 PM on July 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


Apparently its a love child of a decades long passionate affair.
posted by infini at 1:29 AM on July 19


OK, you've officially shattered any faith I have had in what little education I've been exposed to. Thank you for the enlightenment before the Trump darkness settles upon us all. Who's up for another round of dark ages? This time we might have nuclear war accompanying us. Won't it be grand?
posted by InsertNiftyNameHere at 11:38 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


No other subgroup contributed more to the development of algebra than white people?

"The Arabs don't even have a word for algebra."
posted by XMLicious at 11:39 PM on July 18, 2016 [25 favorites]


I really am amazed at how MSNBC is handling the plagiarism issue. They're giving a complete pass to the Trump campaign.

That's not quite my take - someone here said the speechwriter is solely responsible. Not sure if that's an MSNBC person (or whether the Trump campaign paid their speechwriter, for that matter)
posted by iffthen at 11:40 PM on July 18, 2016


They are talking about the plagiarism, yes, but they're laying the groundwork for blaming the speechwriter, not the campaign.
posted by yesster at 11:41 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Not pushing against her, pushing against the speech writers specifically and the campaign in general.
This is what makes me actually angry. They (the campaign) told her to tell people she worked hard on the speech and wrote most of it herself, then handed her plagiarized copy. And we're not talking about plagiarized from a 90's movie about alien invasions or whatever--plagiarized from a relatively recent speech given at a competing convention by the wife of the presumptive nominee. What could be more ridiculously obvious?
posted by xyzzy at 11:42 PM on July 18, 2016 [16 favorites]


I mean... Matthews just went off on how the idea that this isn't an important issue is "crazed". His word. That we are judged by what we write (or in this case speak).

Howard Fineman started to make a point which began with saying that Melania's speech was very well received in the room. Matthews interrupted him and said "Sure, it was the first time too."

That's brutal.
posted by Justinian at 11:44 PM on July 18, 2016 [48 favorites]


"The Arabs don't even have a word for algebra."

Oh dearie me.


xmlicious you made me LOL
posted by infini at 11:44 PM on July 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


MSNBC is laying the groundwork for Donald Trump to come out of this as the HERO, for acting presidential, for being an executive with decisiveness, who will root out and fire the person who is responsible for embarassing his wife.
posted by yesster at 11:45 PM on July 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


More relevantly to this thread. I am pissed off at Newsweek's use of adding a question mark to diminish the woman of colour whose original work was blatantly plagiarized by someone from close enough to the Caucasus mountains.

GRAR this crap is a never ending story.
posted by infini at 11:46 PM on July 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Matthews just went off on how the idea that this isn't an important issue is "crazed". His word. That we are judged by what we write (or in this case speak).

Howard Fineman started to make a point which began with saying that Melania's speech was very well received in the room. Matthews interrupted him and said "Sure, it was the first time too."


Chris Matthews was a speechwriter for Jimmy Carter and served six years as House Speaker Tip O'Neill's Chief of Staff. He lives and breathes this stuff. I have to imagine that right about now he feels like a dog who's just been given a fresh new bone.
posted by Atom Eyes at 11:59 PM on July 18, 2016 [17 favorites]


The Quantum Campaign: if today's antics don't poll well, destroy the universe.

My favorite theory is that the history of the world post-WWII is so weird because we're in one of the few universes where a worldwide nuclear exchange wiping out humanity didn't happen. Hence all the just barely averted stories of first-strikes.

In this framework Donald Trump is merely a violent regression to the mean.
posted by BungaDunga at 11:59 PM on July 18, 2016 [19 favorites]




Yep. That's what makes the plagiarism thing irresistible for journalists. These are people who write for a living, or did so in order to get where they are as anchors. Something like this is personal for them, especially for all the old white guy reporters for whom the bigotry just doesn't strike as close to home.

And that's what makes it a perfect distraction. Of course much of the media will take the bait, and to hell with all the rest. This was an insult directed at the media. And how dare they!

It's really hard to believe something this effective was done out of incompetence or carelessness.
posted by scaryblackdeath at 12:03 AM on July 19, 2016 [11 favorites]


Law of Triviality.

It's much easier to digest an unwittingly plagiarized (by the reader, who is now a victim), than to deal with the vicious hateful clusterfuck that today was.
posted by lkc at 12:04 AM on July 19, 2016 [11 favorites]


It's really hard to believe something this effective was done out of incompetence or carelessness.

Exactly.
posted by yesster at 12:05 AM on July 19, 2016 [5 favorites]






(some of) You guys are watching a different story than I am, clearly. This plagiarism story is completely destroying the Republican's first night and, more importantly, Melania Trump's introduction to the American people. It's an utter disaster for them. And you're talking like it was some kind of political jujitsu that has helped Trump.
posted by Justinian at 12:07 AM on July 19, 2016 [24 favorites]


And you're talking like it was some kind of political jujitsu that has helped Trump.

Well, they're talking about plagiarism instead of the fact that the night was a Klan rally without the sheets, so, yeah...
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 12:11 AM on July 19, 2016 [37 favorites]


No, not helped, but an easy, obvious focus in a day otherwise overwhelmed with really insanely batshit evil shit.

We can all grasp the wrong and stupid of ripping off a FLOTUS speech, everything else is just bafflingly evil, wrong, and stupid.
posted by lkc at 12:13 AM on July 19, 2016


This has got to be deliberate sabotage. The speech writer even put a rickroll in her speech. That's about as blatant as jumping up on stage and shouting, "HA! I tricked you into plagiarizing Michelle Obama!"
posted by straight at 12:15 AM on July 19, 2016 [11 favorites]


Not just ignoring the white nationalism of the whole day, the media is practically writing the script for Trump's recovery from this gaffe.
posted by yesster at 12:15 AM on July 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


Or, I guess, in a day full of lies, all eyes seem to be focused on the shallowest one.
Maybe not a PR Coup, but damage control.
posted by lkc at 12:17 AM on July 19, 2016


Plagiarism?

   This
 is
  great
 news
for
 Donald
  Trump!
posted by 0xFCAF at 12:18 AM on July 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


This has got to be deliberate sabotage.

Is that really more likely than the possibility that it's just lazy, craven writing from people hired by a lazy, craven campaign?
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 12:19 AM on July 19, 2016 [18 favorites]


I think that if the plagiarism story has legs, what MSNBC said about it tonight is almost certainly not going to have anything to do with it unless someone gets in a particularly great line that blows up. It's really easy to get caught up in the immediacy of events, but it's important to keep in mind that these things filter out from the insider's bubble in bizarre and unexpected ways on unpredictable timelines. Also, it's the first night, let's see what other craziness is in store first. This may genuinely turn out to be the least terrible daily headliner.
posted by feloniousmonk at 12:23 AM on July 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


I think that if the plagiarism story has legs...

It's already all over the international press. Which is hilarious, except that the international press is just totally ignoring the insane racism because the plagiarism is so funny.
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 12:25 AM on July 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


OMG the terrorist fist-bumpers have infiltrated into the American language itself! Now Trump can really empathize with all those whose loved ones have been victims of terrorism.
posted by XMLicious at 12:25 AM on July 19, 2016


Or, I guess, in a day full of lies, all eyes seem to be focused on the shallowest one.
Maybe not a PR Coup, but damage control.
posted by lkc at 2:17 AM on July 19


Yeah, I'm starting to get the feeling that the media will find any excuse to cut Trump and his people all sorts of slack while they over analyze and nitpick every single thing HRC says. I obviously can't say for certain at this point, but this is looking more and more like an uphill fight for HRC. Who knows, and I hope I'm wrong but ratings and a close race do matter to these people. The higher the ratings, and the closer the race is proclaimed, they are the clear winners.

I hope I'm wrong.
posted by InsertNiftyNameHere at 12:28 AM on July 19, 2016 [8 favorites]


Man, I think Trump has got some of you jumping at your own shadows.

This. Is. Not. A. Win. For. Team.Trump.
posted by Atom Eyes at 12:29 AM on July 19, 2016 [17 favorites]


feloniousmonk, you are correct. There should be many more opportunities this week to point and laugh at the Trump Show.

The stakes are too high to be cavalier though.
posted by yesster at 12:30 AM on July 19, 2016


Well, they're talking about plagiarism instead of the fact that the night was a Klan rally without the sheets, so, yeah...

See, the problem I have with this argument is the implicit assumption that if the plagiarism issue wasn't there then the news media would be talking about the racism. That is wishful thinking, to put it mildly.
posted by schroedinger at 12:35 AM on July 19, 2016 [91 favorites]


It's not just that, it's that if we should have learned anything from the old "Surely this..." days (ok I understand that was 12 years ago and lots of people in this thread weren't present) it's that what we think should derail a campaign and what actually does derail a campaign are two different things.

Giuliani being unhinged was not going to derail the narrative. The gross use of Pat Smith's grief was not going to derail the narrative. This easily digestible, easily understood, simple story about a plagiarized speech about hard work has derailed their narrative.
posted by Justinian at 12:39 AM on July 19, 2016 [25 favorites]


Did you see how they dealt with their own delegates following their own rules?

We're way past pointing and laughing.

"plaigairism" as a "youthful prank" or whatever the eventual Rove-ian lite spin is a diversion from discussing that one of their talking heads literally said that only white people have contributed to civilization.

That they have a sovereign citizen sheriff who's called BLM "black scum" rallying for a police state.

That one of the opening speakers was a Jewish woman and they had to shut down their own damn comment section from their own damn commenters.

But yeah, pick apart his innocent lovely wife who is just a victim of circumstance.
posted by lkc at 12:40 AM on July 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


I really don't think there is anything that can happen that will truly derail the campaign. People who were going to vote for him will vote for him. People on the right who are anti-Hillary will hold their noses and vote for him. He's had an infinite number of fuckups and people remain either enthusiastic about, or resigned to the horrorshow. This won't help him but it won't irreparably damage him, by any measure.
posted by naju at 12:42 AM on July 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


That's the thing I still can't wrap my head around, and I hinted at earlier in this thread.

Everything we'd normally think would be a wrench thrown into the machine just isn't.

That's because there is no machine. It's all wrenches.

How do you fight that?
posted by yesster at 12:45 AM on July 19, 2016 [14 favorites]


That's because there is no machine. It's all wrenches.

"If you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a ball."






I'll see myself out.
posted by daq at 12:52 AM on July 19, 2016 [11 favorites]


That's because there is no machine. It's all wrenches.

How do you fight that?
Save them for Calvin in Vault 81
posted by fullerine at 12:57 AM on July 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


But yeah, pick apart his innocent lovely wife who is just a victim of circumstance.

Um, wow, the condescension towards Melania Trump that is coming from both sides of the argument is pretty gross. What, so she has no control over her own thoughts and actions? She's just a sweet, pretty little thing with no agency of her own, smiling and parroting the words the campaign gives her? Absolving her of responsibility for the things she does and says isn't compassionate or understanding, it's effectively dismissing her as an independent human being.
posted by schroedinger at 1:06 AM on July 19, 2016 [52 favorites]


See, the problem I have with this argument is the implicit assumption that if the plagiarism issue wasn't there then the news media would be talking about the racism. That is wishful thinking, to put it mildly.

Touché.
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 1:15 AM on July 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


But yeah, pick apart his innocent lovely wife who is just a victim of circumstance.

Is this sarcasm? So long as she supports and enables Trump, she's as much of a racist facist piece of shit as he is. She is not innocent. Nor is she a victim of circumstance, FFS. She is a willing and enthusiastic participant in the campaign.
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 1:18 AM on July 19, 2016 [19 favorites]


That comment, as well as my previous one, was pointing out that focusing on "plagiarism" as the bad takeaway from today was a diversion.

That is not my takeaway from the day. It is, however, the literal narrative from the Trump camp.

The condescension and lack of agency is from her own fucking party.

Drawing battlegrounds around THIS particular obvious and stupid thing from the end of the day gives a pass to the complete fucking horror that the rest of this day has been.
posted by lkc at 1:19 AM on July 19, 2016


I didn't watch, but have heard things. Is there any particular segment one should for to see how awful it all is?
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 1:23 AM on July 19, 2016


The AM interview on the Today Show coming up with Melania (and I guess DT) hosted by Matt Lauer is going to be interesting.

I might just hold my nose this morning and tune in .
posted by lampshade at 1:36 AM on July 19, 2016


I'd say Jodi Ernst has to be a real lowlight. Don't actually bother watching her speech, because it's just a terrible speech, but from a strategy point of view it's even more pathetic. She's the first female federal elected official from Iowa and a veteran who brought a stage full of vets up with her, someone the party is clearly promoting as a future leader (and she's fully right-wing). Yet they put her on after Melania Trump at 11pm and pretty much everyone except the Iowa delegation left. There were a half dozen diehards trying to cheer in the front row and then just rows of empty seats.

So yeah, the party that constantly screams about honoring our vets walked out on a stage full of them.
posted by zachlipton at 1:41 AM on July 19, 2016 [23 favorites]


Is this sarcasm? So long as she supports and enables Trump, she's as much of a racist facist piece of shit as he is. She is not innocent and she's not a victim.

yes, it was sarcastic/ironic.
If the opposition to Trump focuses on this, then the narrative will be "how dare you pick on her?".

Remember Sansa's advice to John Snow?
"Don't do what he wants you to do."

Make a big fucking deal about the naked racism, the blatant lies, the shutting down of their own party, the lack of actual policy, THE PRESUMPTIVE NOMINEE DONALD TRUMP WHO MIGHT ACTUALLY BE PRESIDENT.

But giving a 24-hour spin cycle to being fair and balanced on a pointless speech copied from a speech that no one in the target audience listened to? That's just fertile ground for "If Hillary is so pro-women then why are her supporters attacking Melania?"

It was a bad speech for reasons that are easy to discuss on tv in 30 seconds. There were like 25 other MUCH WORSE speeches that weren't plagiarized but still aired across the country. Just Today.
There is still the rest of the week.
But, those are harder to discuss and be fair-and-balanced about.

The narrative should be "RNC Message: AMERICA! No illegals, no activists, no non-Christians."
With this it will be "#MelaniaVsMichelle #SpeechGate".
Which is a load of crap.

Its been a long day.
I'm going to bed.
posted by lkc at 1:43 AM on July 19, 2016 [8 favorites]


So plagarism may not be on your radar but I am willing to accept that others find this a huge issue.

And please remember that this is a live thread so people are going to talk about what just happened.

People in measured conversation are capable of noticing the plagarism and also the giant flaming racism, and no one here is going OKAY SO YOU SHOULD ONLY REMEMBER THE PLAGARISM, THAT'S ALL THAT HAPPENED TODAY
posted by halifix at 1:46 AM on July 19, 2016 [11 favorites]


Yet they put her on after Melania Trump at 11pm

I was wondering the same and feel the same way about her speech. It was just flat, horrible and predictable. It sounded like it was written 5 years ago with all the cliches of that time in place.

Given that she chose not to join Trump as a running mate, I am inclined to think her speech slot was a bit of a payback. Coming in right after Melania was a sure fire way to be ignored. After a few hours of fiery speeches, the crowd was ready to go home.
posted by lampshade at 1:52 AM on July 19, 2016


To be a bit more frank about it, I see only one of two reasons why a woman like her would tolerate someone like him:
  1. She is as fucking awful as he is, and genuinely agrees with his general worldview or
  2. She's done what many clear-eyed, canny women in her position have done: she hitched her wagon to someone she can tolerate in exchange for the advantages it gives her.

The condescension and lack of agency is from her own fucking party.

Well, yeah, of course it is. I mean, before her speech she claimed to have wrote it. They have to wipe that shit away quick and paint her the victim lest one of the few remotely sympathetic human beings surrounding the Trumpster Fire become tainted.

I don't think anyone is giving a pass to the racist horrorshow that is the RNC. I think what people are saying is that it's unrealistic to expect the media to harp on the idea that the racist horrorshow is a racist horrorshow.

Tell me, what repulsive idea expressed last night has not already been expressed loudly and repeatedly by the Trumpster Fire and his associates and syncophants for nearly a year? The drumbeat of marching stormtrumpers has been loud and clear for months. And throughout the whole process our news organizations have remained largely spineless about addressing the threat. Indeed, all they've done is simply normalize his horribleness by repeating it in the 24/7 news cycle without criticism or analysis. Now the new, bigoted things he says aren't further insults to our fundamental humanity, they're just Trump being Trump.

So, what would make them change now? What magic potion has been injected into their backbones that would grant them the ability to do their fucking jobs if only this plagiarism issue wasn't there? What would make them behave any different than they've been behaving for months--years--decades?

It's been years since our fourth estate has been anything but a poisoned field and a burned-out barn. If they didn't have plagiarism, they'd be weakly flapping around about Stephen Colbert's pranks or an Instagram video of one delegate insulting another. I've given up on expecting journalism from any three-letter media conglomerates. If plagiarism is what it takes to get them to stop goggling and tut-tutting and start criticizing, then I'll take it.
posted by schroedinger at 1:54 AM on July 19, 2016 [34 favorites]


The Rickroll line is really giving me pause. Could just be random, but could also point to a speechwriter doing this deliberately.

Then again, I'm not sure how much it matters. Either way it makes the Trump campaign look terrible.
posted by imabanana at 2:00 AM on July 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


The rickroll line really, really seems unlikely to have been chance.
posted by Justinian at 2:05 AM on July 19, 2016 [9 favorites]


Really starting to think that in his last round of hiring yes men, Trump hired the actual Yes Men.
posted by ckape at 2:07 AM on July 19, 2016 [33 favorites]


Karl Rove did "youthful pranks" in 1969.

Channer culture made /r/the_donald.

You're wondering if a rickroll reference was deliberate?
Trump is the ultimate lulz.
posted by lkc at 2:09 AM on July 19, 2016


The rickroll line really, really seems unlikely to have been chance.

Having once been tempted in sophomore year of engineering to complete a long essay whose words just made me add a line from Billy Joel, and getting an A, makes me agree with you.
posted by infini at 2:10 AM on July 19, 2016


Y'all complaining that the media's focusing on PLAGIARISM! is clearly a Trump ploy to make people ignore the RACISM! are forgetting a couple of things.

— The media has to be "neutral" in their coverage. And neutral means, the only opinions you can report are the opinions of people who spoke at a thing. If not for PLAGIARISM, liberal bastion NPR would've opened tomorrow with a, "DO blue lives matter? And SHOULD America go to war against all the nonwhites? Foor for thought."

— The level of crazy here is not substantially crazier than it was in 2012 or 2008. I remember people freaking out like this at Romney's RNC too. This is worse, but not by an order of magnitude. "KKK levels of racist fervor" has been part of the Republican strategy since at least 2004, which is the oldest election I can recall. It's more explicit now, but in part that's because it does get called out by a more-liberal media than existed a decade ago, so the racists double down.

— What matters isn't that the RNC be the death knell to Trump's campaign. Because it obviously won't be. Drudge already has his counterstory running. More than anything, what matters is that the narrative not be changed to, "Wow, what a surprisingly sane and competent rally! Maybe Trump should get to be the president now." This trivial-ass scandal is a good thing, and the media's narcissistic obsession with journalismy things that'll make em navelgaze all over this will keep em from obsessing over things like "pretend Trum
is pulling ahead with his Presidential Rally."

(Maybe.)

The people who are shocked and outraged over this are already shocked and outraged. The people who aren't... well, their perspectives were already questionable before this started up. This rally won't sway minds or hearts either way. But if it spares us even a week of "maybe Trump is good at this after all", then all the better.

It's interesting seeing the Republican Party stripped down to only the rawest expressions of its inchoate rage. Totally fits that Giuliani's still right there, the lich. And from what I read of Flynn's speech, holy shit am I glad Trump went with Pence over him. Pence seems horrible, but I worry more about the people who'd be inspired by Flynn's rhetoric if he got three months of talkkng to various screens.
posted by rorgy at 2:19 AM on July 19, 2016 [27 favorites]


Between lifting lines from Michelle Obama and Rick Astley, I'm assuming the speech writers just did some random You Tubing to write the whole thing. Is there a full transcript somewhere? I bet there's a few lines from The West Wing or Pitch Perfect in there.
posted by like_neon at 2:19 AM on July 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


My major take-away from today is how badly the RNC (both the leaders and the Trump brownshirts) treated the #nevertrump-ers. Extortion, insults and disenfranchisement (aimed at a large chunk of your own members) are no way to help the long term viability of your political party. I've said it before, but while I frequently disagree with Corb I find her to be principled and endlessly patient with we liberals. She and her fellows deserve a party that treats them better.
posted by Joey Michaels at 2:27 AM on July 19, 2016 [31 favorites]


Well, all of the news stories I saw about the rules vote earlier today completely ignored the petty obstructionism part, which I think would have tied in well to basically everything the Republicans have done since Obama was elected, so I don't think much else from later in the day would have legs as a story, as stupid and terrible as they were.
posted by ckape at 2:28 AM on July 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Yeah, I'm starting to get the feeling that the media will find any excuse to cut Trump and his people all sorts of slack while they over analyze and nitpick every single thing HRC says. I obviously can't say for certain at this point, but this is looking more and more like an uphill fight for HRC. Who knows, and I hope I'm wrong but ratings and a close race do matter to these people. The higher the ratings, and the closer the race is proclaimed, they are the clear winners.

Wow, I'm in the completely opposite position. I've been pretty skeptical of this election from the beginning, and I'm feeling better about the chances of a Clinton victory than I have all season.

I mean I've been of the opinion Trump was a dangerous fascist from the beginning, but I have no idea how a political campaign can be this incompetent.
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 2:28 AM on July 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


"The Arabs don't even have a word for algebra."

“The French have no word for entrepreneur” — George W. Bush, allegedly
posted by acb at 2:42 AM on July 19, 2016 [7 favorites]


I'm still of the belief that the plagiarism thing was a deliberate attempt to control the news cycle. That said...

We in secondary education spend a whole lot of time teaching students that academic honesty is extremely important. We have websites dedicated to catching plagiarism, we have honor codes, academic honestly policies, etc. Colleges have rescinded acceptances of students caught plagiarizing (or claiming other people's work as their own). Students can face expulsion or other severe repercussions for violating academic honesty policies.

When a person clearly plagiarizes and claims somebody else's work as her own at a major national event, it sets a terrible example for millions of students. When plagiarism is defended as no big deal or just an honest mistake, it makes the consequences for plagiarism seem like overkill. Maybe they are (I don't think they are) but we as a society currently believe there's value in creating your own work.

Long story short, here is yet another time where team Trump in conjunction with RNC2016 has lowered standards and discourse for the whole nation.
posted by Joey Michaels at 2:58 AM on July 19, 2016 [16 favorites]


Guys ... no.

So the theory is, as far as I can tell, that there was a conversation that went something like this:

TRUMP CAMPAIGN PERSON ONE: Gentlemen, I'm worried. Somehow, for reasons entirely beyond our control, we have invited a series of virulently racist xenophobes and warmongers to speak at the convention.

TRUMP CAMPAIGN PERSON TWO: What?! How did that happen?! What if people notice?!

TRUMP CAMPAIGN PERSON ONE: We can never know how such a thing happened, and obviously it cannot be changed. The important thing now is to distract attention away from it.

TRUMP CAMPAIGN PERSON TWO: You're right -- it would be disastrous if anyone anywhere detected a tinge of racism in Trump's campaign. Surely that would end his chances.

TRUMP CAMPAIGN PERSON ONE: The only answer is to handle this with the kind of preternaturally intelligent political jujitsu which has characterized this entire campaign. You know, the carefully planned, artful use of sophisticated tactical maneuvering which has been Trump's modus operandi throughout.

TRUMP CAMPAIGN PERSON TWO: Indeed. Then clearly, what we should do is arrange for the only thus-far somewhat likable person associated with the Trump campaign to have some kind of terrible screw-up.

TRUMP CAMPAIGN PERSON ONE: Melania.

TRUMP CAMPAIGN PERSON TWO: Yes, Melania. We need her to embarrass herself in some way so that when our opponents attack her, we can accuse them of persecuting an innocent.

TRUMP CAMPAIGN PERSON ONE: But how? Should she join the naked protest prior to the convention?

TRUMP CAMPAIGN PERSON TWO: No, that requires the appearance of too much agency on her part. We want to be able to portray her as a victim of others' mistakes, or the attacks upon her could seem to be legitimate. Perhaps the wrong speech could be placed in the teleprompter?

TRUMP CAMPAIGN PERSON ONE: It's not enough. We shall place the RIGHT speech in the teleprompter ... but part of the speech shall be plagiarized!

TRUMP CAMPAIGN PERSON TWO: Plagiarized ... from our political opponents! In an obvious way!

TRUMP CAMPAIGN PERSON ONE: Genius! The media will take the bait, no one shall speak of the rest of our obviously hideous convention choices, and we will deflect blame onto anonymous speechwriters! The attacks upon Melania will seem churlish, and Trump shall emerge stronger than ever!

TRUMP: As always, the brilliantly proactive strategizing of my expert staff will skillfully navigate our campaign past all obstacles. Make it so!
posted by kyrademon at 3:00 AM on July 19, 2016 [69 favorites]


exeunt stage left, pursued by a bear
posted by Justinian at 3:05 AM on July 19, 2016 [26 favorites]


More like exeunt hard right, pursued by the right to bear arms.
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 3:09 AM on July 19, 2016 [32 favorites]


I think it was more like "they're going to attack us anyways so let's control what they attack. "
posted by Joey Michaels at 3:12 AM on July 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


So the consensus on the cable morning shows is that, absent the plagiarism hell, the story would have been that Melania Trump had a brilliant speech capping a triumphant first night at the RNC. Those aren't my words; a triumphant first night.

That's why its absurd to think this helps Trump. The story would not have been "BIGOTED FIASCO IN CLEVELAND!" it would have been "WONDERFUL SPEECH BY MELANIA TRUMP HUMANIZES DONALD!". And remember that most people do not watch the convention they just hear it being talked about the next day. So the takeaway for most people would have been that the RNC had a good first day and Melania Trump gave a great speech.

Instead they're talking about it being a disaster.

And it was.
posted by Justinian at 3:14 AM on July 19, 2016 [56 favorites]


Trump's handlers know his family is infinitely more likeable than he and are relying on them to humanize him*. Melania and Ivanka are viewed most positively, hence positioning them at the beginning and end. It gives the media something good to latch onto within the landfill fire so they can maintain the farce of their "neutrality". So Melania fucking her moment up is no good. Sets a terrible tone.

* On a podcast, I think it was Slate's Trumpcast, one reporter talked to her mom who was voting for Trump. And her mom said anyone who had children that lovely couldn't be that terrible.
posted by schroedinger at 3:38 AM on July 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


For once, this would have been an entirely appropriate place for Melania to have ended by saying "Thanks, Obama!"
posted by carter at 3:58 AM on July 19, 2016 [35 favorites]


Remember, this is a four-day event, there will be highlight (or lowlight) reels and Melania's speech-stealing won't be the only thing on it from tonight when this is all over. There's zero chance that the "Nazi rally vibe" of the convention will be isolated to today's proceedings and the cumulative effect is what is going to drive away many of the remaining "reasonable Republicans". Basically providing the Clinton campaign for content for a series of paid commercials they can easily afford to (since this is driving more fundraising for the Dems) blanket the existing ad-supported media with... and, if framed correctly, tie every local Republican running with. Whether the Democrats are competent enough to do so is in doubt, but it would go along way toward damaging the GOP down-ticket, which is what Hillary really needs to survive her first term. Yes, Trump is putting on a "good show" in the same way that ComicCon SanDiego will during the weekend between the political cons, but it's just a show for the already-fans (like there are millions who still recoil in horror at ComicCon's geekfest). Just don't look at any day-to-day polls... I hereby predict Dishonest Don will get zero 'bounce' from this because the "27% batsh!t crazy" vote is already committed to him.

And PLEASE stop thinking the "Mainstream Media" is going to swoop in and save us from Trump. Long before they started enabling his hate campaign, they were perfectly willing to help him build himself up as a "public figure"and totally unwilling to do any of the serious investigative work that would have made him a Convicted Felon and ineligible to run. (Especially MSNBC, co-owned with the network that put The Apprentice on the air, AND owned by Comcast, the Cable/ISP giant that most wants the FCC disabled)
posted by oneswellfoop at 4:00 AM on July 19, 2016 [11 favorites]


Trump dials into Fox to bash Kasich during convention
As Pat Smith, the mother of one of the Americans killed in Benghazi tearfully addressed the Republican National Convention on Monday, Donald Trump phoned into Fox News host Bill O’Reilly’s show and bashed John Kasich for not showing up to the confab.
In an extraordinary moment of counterprogramming, Trump shifted some of the spotlight back to himself, even as a string of speakers in Cleveland spoke optimistically about an America that would be led by the presumptive Republican nominee.
He can't even stand for people to be listening to his convention instead of listening to him.
posted by octothorpe at 4:02 AM on July 19, 2016 [10 favorites]


PLEASE stop thinking the "Mainstream Media" is going to swoop in and save us from Trump.

MSM needs "news" to attract viewership, and boy would a Trump Administration provide that.

Ow! My Balls!
posted by Heywood Mogroot III at 4:09 AM on July 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


"And the Best Words come from Michelle Obama"


'I Know Words, I Have The Best Words'

posted by mikelieman at 4:13 AM on July 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Maybe it's because I just finished "The Nightmare Stacks" but I'm wondering if this is an instance of CASE NIGHTMARE ORANGE.
posted by Thistledown at 4:13 AM on July 19, 2016 [7 favorites]


G.E. Smith, the creepy guitarist from SNL

I recently learned that he is also the inventor of Botox
posted by thelonius at 4:20 AM on July 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


it's most definitely weird as fuck that SK was all "white people have done it all" and then MT is all "I have stolen from a black woman" I mean there needs to be at WTF x 10 to the 9 or something
posted by angrycat at 4:21 AM on July 19, 2016 [14 favorites]


"You have to actually directly challenge at the microphone to the chairman and say a specific phrase or they are going to call it out of order." She declined to state the phrase, citing strategic reasons.

"Through dangers untold, and hardships unnumbered, I have fought my way here to the podium beyond Convention City, to take back the campaign you have stolen. For my will is as strong as yours, and my candidate as great... Damn, I can never remember the next line."
posted by Roommate at 4:26 AM on July 19, 2016 [20 favorites]


Klaatu... Verata... n... Necktie!
posted by sebastienbailard at 4:32 AM on July 19, 2016 [14 favorites]


that SK was all "white people have done it all" and then MT is all "I have stolen from a black woman"

One of the major realizations that led to my current state of Total Shame for Being White is that the single greatest talent of the White Race is its success at colonizing other cultures and stealing their best stuff. At our best, we are The Borg. And while any race can be Racist, we Whites do it far better, and historically with greater success, than any other group. And the United States of America has brought Racism to its highest level. I mean, we couldn't even elect our first Black President unless he was half-white.
posted by oneswellfoop at 4:36 AM on July 19, 2016 [10 favorites]


Yes, it's weird and disappointing that the plagiarism thing becomes the big takeaway from this, instead of the rabid racism, the blatant trickery, and all the rest of the ghoulish behaviour.

But consider this - all of that bothers people who aren't going to vote for Trump anyway. None of the racism will bother Trump supporters, but copying the words of Muslim Obama's wife? That's going to irritate them. If the big news story is all about "Blue Lives Matter" and white people inventing all that's good and pure, the wingnuts are going to be happy because that's what they believe, and any media attacks are just the LIE-bural Media. Lifting passages from Michelle Obama? That will piss them off.
posted by GhostintheMachine at 5:02 AM on July 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


Melania basically negated the entire day from the perspective of average Americans who get most of their news from Facebook.

That means no General Flynn no grieving mothet porn, etc.

This was a disaster for Trump and basically destroyed Melania as an effective proxy for Trump.

Ivanka will have to come through big time.
posted by vuron at 5:07 AM on July 19, 2016 [10 favorites]


Wow, I am normally insulated from cable news but am unable to avoid it this morning as I am sitting in Logan airport. I had no idea how terrible it is. Nothing about the substance of the speeches. A bit about Melania plagiarizing followed immediately by Manafort talking about how these are just common words. No evaluation of whether that's reasonable. A bit on the Never trump folks, then they just say they were not successful in their coup attempt. A bit about Sean Smith's mother blaming Hillary directly for the death of her son, cut to her rant. Then the announcer talks about how the theme for the evening was Make America Work Again, and also Make America Great Again and Make America Safe Again. Done, on to the next story.
posted by peacheater at 5:12 AM on July 19, 2016 [8 favorites]


This is a way-belated response to something somebody said upthread, so I guess forgive me for sleeping six hours tonight? But when I read this it caught my attention, and now I'm awake enough to respond, so...
Fun fact, the newest voters were born in 1998. In 2001 they introduced No Child Left Behind, which gutted many school programs in exchange for being able to pass standardized tests. They practically grew up with a world that was always at war in the middle east.

Now imagine if that same kid was born in a Red State / Conservative family, and since age 11 only heard of Obama as the secret muslim.

Now they can vote.
I went to a well-funded public school that consistently gets ranked one of the best in the country—it's the sort that got pissy when our sister school got named eleventh-best because that made us look bad to only be in the low hundreds. And one of our history teachers actually won the National Teacher Award or whatever it's called, so we had a lot of Good History being taught in our place.* We had the fortune and the privilege to treat NCLB as a several-day inconvenience, week-long at most, before going back to our already-in-progress classes.

I think your logic here is flawed. No Child Left Behind didn't make education worse. Schools were already plenty shit to begin with.

First, you've got the obsession over grade-point average, because if you have a low GPA you're basically fucked going into higher ed. I graduated with a 3.1 or 3.4 (can't remember) because I was a rebellious shit as a kid, and that basically tanked my chances of going to one of the swanky $40-60,000 places that virtually all of my peers wound up. This kind of pressure leads to paralysis among students, and it leads to parents (I presume) demanding course formats that are less exploratory and more formulaic. There's also a pressure to keep teachers' courses incredibly synchronized, because any gaps in knowledge on one year leads to GPAs falling. OH WAIT, no it doesn't, it leads to teachers next year repeating virtually the same curriculum over and over again, which is why it's a miracle to see history more current than, oh, 1940 or so, being taught in my school in the junior (non-Americans: next-to-last) year, even though 1940 starts being taught in the fifth grade (nA: when we are ten or eleven years old).

Which leads to that wonderful convenience of ability-separated classes. In practice, means that 3.5 out of the 4 tiers your school creates are going to be insanely dull and unchallenging. I vaguely recall one Spanish teacher getting let go for teaching the Advanced students—that's one tier from the tippy-top—at a rate he found reasonable, in that it expected us to learn something over the course of a year. I wavered between Advanced and Honors, and Honors was... about what you'd expect out of a particularly slow college class. Advanced certainly was not.

Another thing to keep in mind is the mandatory generalization of the courses being taught, and the space they're given to teach. An hour isn't very long to teach beneath the nebulous "Social Studies" umbrella, not when you need to hand out homework at the end of class, and go over every answer of that homework at the beginning. Plus "entertaining activities". Plus, y'know, making sure that people understand the basic concepts. Plus general student resistance. And the curriculums are bogus. Math in particular is done terrible justice, but Literature (ahem: English, or even Reading) consists of maybe reading four books in a year, six if Honors, and fully half of those have to be some variety of Shakespeare. History invariably tries to "speed past" the recap to get to the new things, but gets maybe two weeks past the recap before school ends. So yeah.

I had magnificent History teachers. I got to watch one magnificent man attempt to explain some basic facts about how America was racist in the 1700s, and get verbally pummeled by a bunch of teenagers who felt that went against what they knew. Students learn very quickly to bullshit in the Harry Frankfurt sense. They know that if you manage to make a discussion about their right to disagree with you, you'll lose the entire goddamn hour, every goddamn time. If you try to steamroll over them? Well, now they'll campaign against you, and now they're "student activists". I don't know if we pick this up from the media landscape or if it's some newish (read: century-old) phenomenon that our species isn't yet inculcated against, or if we've always basically been ignorant asswipes—this is my assumption—but we enlightened misanthropes spent five hundred comments being mad that the media cried Plagiarism! instead of Neo-Nazi Uprising! so we're mostly still susceptible too.

I don't believe we ever had a more enlightened America. I'm really young! I could be wrong! But all of US history seems to waver between violently suppressing change and successful periods of seeming-peace in which all change was successfully suppressed, so, where do we get the idea that 2016 is somehow a slide down from some previous Golden Age? Is it the eight years we had of a president whose congress tried to keep him from passing any bills? Or the eight years before that, in which we had a president brutally oppress women's rights, gay rights, minority rights, etc? Or the eight years of a Democrat who became popular by throwing a lot of racist and homophobic bones to his political opponents? Because before that came Reagan, and Reagan sucked too.

This crazy Jesus racism stuff was how this country got its start. The bloodiest American war in history came about because a president tried to end one egregious practice, and the losing side of that war still tries to pretend like it wasn't actually about that in the first place. The man whose words the neo-Nazis (we can call everybody on stage last night this, right?) keep appropriating was assassinated for protesting virtually the same egregious practice, a hundred years later. Here we are, only fifty years later, and there's already another serious conflict. What a surprise! The more the awful people dwindle in ranks—and yes, "slightly under fifty percent" is a sea change, in a system where you need exactly fifty percent of the vote, and yes it did take this long for that sea change to arrive—the more they have to flip then fuck out in order to have even a semblance of a hope.

They will get louder and angrier, and that's terrifying. (I consider us to be in the middle of a war right now, with shots already fired.) But unless they eke out a surprise victory in an election this year or 2020 or 2024, after this their window is closed for good, and their only hope will be some sort of genocide/forced emigration, or all-out political revolt. Which could happen. After this year, don't rule it out.

But I don't think the problem is ignorance. Not of the books-reading sort. Books-reading would cure the symptom, but the real problem is the belief system which came to America half a millennium ago, wiped out multiple races, and continues to insist upon its own near-divinity. That system has reigned supreme in America, even in its loftier moments of proclaiming equality, and this year it's facing a major challenge in the form of Hillary Clinton. (Much like Harry Potter before her, she challenges it both by fact of her being and by the choices she's made along the way.) That's not the last major challenge that system will face, but it's one of the biggest, and it's insane to me that the odds are still seemingly in favor of the challengers.

I don't think education is the panacea that cures that, and I don't think contemporary malignancies in education run only two decades back. It's a problem, but it's far from the biggest one we're seeing here. Many very well-educated men are voting for Trump this year. What does that say?

*Apparently some history teacher before my time made it his mission to recruit a bunch of subversive weirdos as teachers, and a few years after I left the school, which is in the middle of a conservative hotbed, is wildly queer-friendly and feminist and basically it was a surprisingly excellent high school, except for the ninety percent of it which is outright shit. Anyway, pretty cool conspiratorial movement, huh?
posted by rorgy at 5:16 AM on July 19, 2016 [33 favorites]


Yes, it's weird and disappointing that the plagiarism thing becomes the big takeaway from this, instead of the rabid racism, the blatant trickery, and all the rest of the ghoulish behaviour.

Disappointing, yes. But not at all weird. I have to think that the news crews are grateful that the plagiarism happened, otherwise there was nothing much else to talk about other than the rabid nationalism on display. And, NONE of the news orgs want to go there. They just don't. It scares the shit out of them.

The speakers could have been calling for work camps and requiring Muslims to wear a crescent moon on their clothing, and the plagiarism would still be the lead topic because it's a safe outrage.
posted by Thorzdad at 5:17 AM on July 19, 2016 [19 favorites]


One of the major realizations that led to my current state of Total Shame for Being White is that the single greatest talent of the White Race is its success at colonizing other cultures and stealing their best stuff. At our best, we are The Borg. And while any race can be Racist, we Whites do it far better, and historically with greater success, than any other group. And the United States of America has brought Racism to its highest level. I mean, we couldn't even elect our first Black President unless he was half-white.

A while back there was a ridiculous book by Gregory Clark that premised Western success on the genetically superior middle-class qualities of white people created by the differential reproduction and survival of the rich. He posited four main traits that led to their domination - peacefulness (reduced inter-personal violence), literacy, and propensity to save. Now this work is pretty obviously a self-flattering just-so story but the interesting thing is you can very easily come up with another set of completely noxious traits - racism, willingness to enslave, mass murder, constricted empathy, self-delusion and egotistic individualism that could be produced by the same trickle down rich people genetics mechanism that could also explain western European success.
posted by srboisvert at 5:21 AM on July 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


A lot of people are saying the plagiarism is not a big deal as an issue, and that it will backfire if highlighted. I'm a White man, but I work with a couple of hundred African American women. Almost every woman has a picture of Michelle Obama on her desk. Sometimes Barak is in the picture too. This is not something that will be a non-issue for that community. These women quietly but without shame venerate Michelle Obama. Ok, so they probably weren't going to vote Trump anyway, but they aren't going to be on Meliana's side in this.
posted by OmieWise at 5:23 AM on July 19, 2016 [13 favorites]


When a pathologically lying narcissistic bully is terrorzing your entire school, the least of your problems is his GF copying off the brilliant black valedictorian.
posted by NorthernLite at 5:23 AM on July 19, 2016 [19 favorites]


Melania basically negated the entire day from the perspective of average Americans who get most of their news from Facebook.

The 'Today' show opened with the side-by-side video this morning. For anyone watching NBC this morning, the recap of day 1 is "Melania's speech" and not much else.
posted by gimonca at 5:28 AM on July 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


So I didn't watch much of the big speeches last night, but I caught about a minute's worth of Guiliani. I felt truly sick to my stomach just at the crowd reaction. It was a real life Orwell's Two Minutes Hate. The part of the crowd that was cheering him was yelling out their anger, reflecting the hate he was spewing from the podium. And I'm pretty sure I also heard some angry yelling against him too. Between the two sides it was just an all out display of rage. It was fucking scary as shit.
posted by dnash at 5:29 AM on July 19, 2016 [13 favorites]


One of the major realizations that led to my current state of Total Shame for Being White is that the single greatest talent of the White Race is its success at colonizing other cultures and stealing their best stuff. At our best, we are The Borg. And while any race can be Racist, we Whites do it far better, and historically with greater success, than any other group. And the United States of America has brought Racism to its highest level.

I wouldn't put it exactly like that.

I think that what we Americans and, to a lesser extent, other settler peoples understand understand as 'whiteness' is the product of a particular set of historical circumstances and, somewhat paradoxically, is the fruit of an attempt to bring several groups together in a looser, larger way. Call it 'cultural federalism', maybe. It is different in kind, not merely in degree or flavor, from other tribalisms.

My sense, and I'd love to hear from actual Europeans about this, is that Europeans do not have nearly as strong a sense of 'whiteness' as Americans do. I think this particular meaning-of-whiteness happened because several ethnic groups were forging a common identity in the context of living spaces* that they considered to be 'virgin wilderness' as opposed to the traditional 'lands' of Europe each with a distinct spirit, cultural tradition, political structure and language.

In some ways this has been really great. This new concept of 'whiteness' has been incredibly successful at forging bonds of loyalty, of 'you are a part of us'-ness from all kinds of peoples who had been fighting shit out in Europe for hundreds of years. Within one or two generations of coming here: English and Irish, German and Polish, even Jews and Christians have been able to build an (imperfect) union. That is an important achievement that we should not dismiss or mock.

In other ways, of course, whiteness constructed Others (first 'Indians', then 'blacks') and used them not only to physically construct the infrastructure of this new land but also as invaluable metaphorical tools for creating the sociocultural structures of the Nation.

That is why whiteness, as we understand it, must be smashed. We have to find new metaphors and new structures to be multi-ethnic nations; ones that do not rely on domination and othering.

This is also the task of Europe, in different ways; and in different ways again the task of the Muslim world, sub-Saharan Africa, Latin America... but I do not know enough about the particular circumstances of those regions to dare to comment further on them.

*the key here is to think about how this is and is not a direct translation from the German
posted by tivalasvegas at 5:30 AM on July 19, 2016 [22 favorites]


Also, setting aside the plagiarism for a second - it's the Rickroll that baffles me. "He will never, ever give up. And, most importantly he will never, ever let you down."

That's in there for some kind of reason. Either someone was seriously trying to embarrass her, or maybe it was supposed to be delivered as a winking joke and she didn't get it.
posted by dnash at 5:35 AM on July 19, 2016 [30 favorites]


tl;dr: It's not that whites created colonialism; colonialism created whiteness.
posted by tivalasvegas at 5:35 AM on July 19, 2016 [23 favorites]


My sense, and I'd love to hear from actual Europeans about this, is that Europeans do not have nearly as strong a sense of 'whiteness' as Americans do.

Not sure exactly what you mean, but I have found white Europeans to be generally much more openly racist than Americans, although usually not in a malicious way.
posted by snofoam at 5:38 AM on July 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


[Hey guys, I think we sort of need to skip extensive derails into side subjects here, since we're already over 1,500 comments in and the thread isn't even 24 hours old at this point.]
posted by taz (staff) at 5:38 AM on July 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


"You have to actually directly challenge at the microphone to the chairman and say a specific phrase or they are going to call it out of order." She declined to state the phrase, citing strategic reasons.

see? they're not completely irresponsible. at least they're using a safe word.
posted by indubitable at 5:43 AM on July 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


Sorry if this is also semi-sidetracky, but Big Bravo to Rorgy's long comment on Education.

They know that if you manage to make a discussion about their right to disagree with you, you'll lose the entire goddamn hour, every goddamn time.
My personal Law of Education: "If you teach them to Challenge Authority, you will be the first Authority they Challenge"

I don't believe we ever had a more enlightened America.
Well, I did High School and College in the '70s and it sure wasn't then. In fact, I've seen a wave of "it's getting better" comments every decade, and long before I became old enough to be an 'old fuddy-duddy', I've replied: "Not much, not yet".
posted by oneswellfoop at 5:50 AM on July 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


I think there are two reasons the Millannia plagiarism story is taking over. On the one hand people who don't like politics and are turned off by it can understand the story and relate to it.

More importantly, the big news organizations see it as a relief because it something they can talk about it openly. They can't come out and say, look the entire RNC is full of crazy racists, because this is a major political party we have to seem pretend that we take them seriously and if we don't pretend to take them seriously we'll be accused of being biased.
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 5:55 AM on July 19, 2016 [19 favorites]


The Rickroll was absolutely targeted directly at alt-right trolls who are absolutely taking it as a sign to keep being awful on the internet. Their current theory about the plagiarism is that the intended media and social media coverage will A. bring more viewers to the next days of the RNC to see what shit happens next, B. show that Melania can First Lady just like Michelle, and C. get undecided voters to subconsciously associate the Trumps with the Obamas(???)
posted by clorox at 5:59 AM on July 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


OK, obviously the plagiarism thing isn't as bad as most of the speeches last night, but you have to love Twitter.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:03 AM on July 19, 2016 [8 favorites]


That's in there for some kind of reason. Either someone was seriously trying to embarrass her, or maybe it was supposed to be delivered as a winking joke and she didn't get it.

Do non-Internet People know 'rickrolling' though? I feel like Occam's razor might actually cut toward a rogue speechwriter.

However, applying Josh Marshall's shiny new razor ("assume the stupidest") yields that this was probably a failed attempt at slyness from whoever wrote assembled that speech.
posted by tivalasvegas at 6:05 AM on July 19, 2016 [7 favorites]


We were expecting this but it's still kind of scary: Clinton and Trump now tied in polls
posted by Tarumba at 6:05 AM on July 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


When a pathologically lying narcissistic bully is terrorzing your entire school, the least of your problems is his GF copying off the brilliant black valedictorian.


No, his girlfriend is able to copy off the brilliant black valedictorian precisely because a pathologically lying narcissistic bully is terrorizing your entire school. They are both the same issue.
posted by TheWhiteSkull at 6:07 AM on July 19, 2016 [28 favorites]


fwiw...
  • my whole timeline is about speech plagiarism. among politicians. your country enshrines assassination and war, but this makes you vocal. WTF
  • what if this whole plagiarism thing is intentional trolling of the kind of people who would care?
  • the goto move of the Trump campaign has been to do stuff that outrages elites but not his potential voters as a means to free publicity.
> Anyone confused by the rise of Trump hasn't been paying attention. He's not an aberration. He's the storm that had to come.

The Republicans waged a 3-decade war on government. They got Trump. - "Trumpism is the culmination of a proud political party's steady descent into a deeply destructive and dysfunctional state."

The End Of A Republican Party - "Racial and cultural resentment have replaced the party's small government ethos."

How the GOP Grows by Shrinking the Middle Class - "The emerging Republican Party is a self-sustaining machine of perpetual rage, suppressing the prospects of working-class men while being powered by their growing frustration."
posted by kliuless at 6:11 AM on July 19, 2016 [13 favorites]


Ugh, NPR pisses me off so much sometimes. They played the excerpt of the speech that was clearly identical and then said, "some people on the internet are saying it's plagiarism".
posted by octothorpe at 6:16 AM on July 19, 2016 [27 favorites]


Just received a weekly newsletter listing new freelance writing opportunities, and what's #1 on the list?

Freelance Political Writer for something called the National Association of Republicans.
posted by GhostintheMachine at 6:17 AM on July 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


There is just no way this (the plagiarism) was an intentional ploy, of the 10-dimensional chess variety. Not coming on the same night that speakers brag about not using teleprompters by reading off a teleprompter. Rogue speechwriters, however, is not just possible but plausible. I can picture people going "we not only got her to use Michelle Obama's lines, we made her do an actual rickroll!!!! lolololol!"
posted by yhbc at 6:17 AM on July 19, 2016 [7 favorites]


Manafort is trying to blame the plagiarism issue on Hillary Clinton:

“She was speaking in front of 35 million people last night; she knew that. To think that she would be cribbing Michelle Obama’s words is crazy. I mean, it’s so — I mean, this is, once again, an example of when a woman threatens Hillary Clinton, how she seeks out to demean her and take her down. It’s not going to work.”

WTF? I don't... WTF?

I guess this is the old "attack your enemy with your own weakness" game? Trump is one who has the problem with women, and seeks to demean them if they challenge them.
posted by bluecore at 6:18 AM on July 19, 2016 [9 favorites]




So serious q: why don't journos want to say look at these racists?
Is it they'll have their press credentials revoked?
posted by angrycat at 6:21 AM on July 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


I keep seeing liberals saying, basically, "Ignore the plagiarism! Focus on the horrid racism!" Well, in a better country, sure. But we've been exposing the racism for months now. Everyone who cares about that is already on our side. Blatant plagiarism is new, and it would be a mistake not to use it against him. It's also perfectly symbolic of the whole Trump campaign: no integrity, no reflectiveness, poor management. It's the kind of thing that everyone can grasp and that is symbolic of deeper ethical issues. This is a gift to the Clinton camp if they spin it right.
posted by Pater Aletheias at 6:22 AM on July 19, 2016 [42 favorites]


Has anyone googled the rest of Melania's speech for other instances of plagiarism? I'll bet there are some, whether by incompetent speechwriters or sabotage...
posted by oneswellfoop at 6:24 AM on July 19, 2016


NPR political coverage is soo sooo bad. Like if they were around during the original Nuremberg Rallies (and no just the cosplay one going on now) they would probably be looking for balance between the people that are pro-Book Burning and anti-Book Burning. And Mara Liason would probably be telling us how Goebbels thought that the rally was really going well and that any stumbles were just first day jitters.
posted by vuron at 6:24 AM on July 19, 2016 [31 favorites]


why don't journos want to say look at these racists?

Because they are, for the most part, the white moderates that so enraged Dr. King, the representatives and mouthpieces of the class that would like all this unpleasantness to just go away.
posted by tivalasvegas at 6:25 AM on July 19, 2016 [39 favorites]


Rogue speechwriters, however, is not just possible but plausible. I can picture people going "we not only got her to use Michelle Obama's lines, we made her do an actual rickroll!!!! lolololol!"

Would this not make them unemployable forever? Who will hire someone who, through either idiocy or love of lollery, made their employer look like a total fool? Other than the RNC, apparently?
posted by winna at 6:26 AM on July 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


White people can't be relied on to agree that racism is bad, but we do tend to agree on plagiarism being bad, sooooooooo
posted by Pope Guilty at 6:28 AM on July 19, 2016 [10 favorites]


Seen on Twitter: @realDonaldTrump Was this your way of proving that immigrants steal? Well played, sir. Well played. #MelaniaSpeeches #RNC2016
posted by zakur at 6:28 AM on July 19, 2016 [37 favorites]


Honestly the fact that the Republican party is completely dominated by White Nationalists who have previously been uncomfortable to admit their nativist tendencies in polite company because of the social pressure placed on them by liberals and Republican elites.

The fact that Trump is basically ignoring all pretense and making the ugly Id of the white male psyche apparent to the world is something that a sizable percentage of the electorate thinks is completely fine.

What this convention is showing is that being racist/sexist/homophobic is no longer something Republicans are going to feel ashamed about.

Make America White Again is a critical part of the current Republican party platform. USA USA USA is the chant that people will just use to shout down any that disagree with them as if being against racism is being against America.
posted by vuron at 6:31 AM on July 19, 2016 [13 favorites]




Would this not make them unemployable forever?

There are a lot of people involved with this mess that have done things that should make them public pariahs... including, and especially Dishonest Don himself. They hired G.E. Smith to lead the band and pick songs with lyrics that embarrass them and he'll go right back to Saturday Night Live... (hmmm... I keep seeing Trump/NBC-Comcast connections everywhere... are they TRYING to tun me into a conspiracy theorist?)

the ugly Id of the white male psyche apparent to the world is something that a sizable percentage of the electorate thinks is completely fine

Yes, but "a sizable percentage" is not a even close to a majority, unless they can discourage and/or restrict the rest of us from voting against it. Which is the other part of the strategy.
posted by oneswellfoop at 6:37 AM on July 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Has anyone googled the rest of Melania's speech for other instances of plagiarism?

Yes, whoever wrote the lyrics to the song

“He will never, ever give you up. And, most importantly, he will never, ever let you down.”
posted by infini at 6:37 AM on July 19, 2016 [7 favorites]


muhahahahahahhahahaha sorry can'thelp it muhahahahhahahahaha rickrolled haaaaaarhhahahahaha
posted by infini at 6:38 AM on July 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


So serious q: why don't journos want to say look at these racists?

One of the first missions of the conservative movement was to redefine and pigeonhole the media as being shamelessly biased against conservatives. Thus began the "liberal media" meme, that has to go down as one of the most successful marketing campaigns in history. The right hammered and hammered and hammered this idea into the public's collective head to where, in order to get away from being labeled as being biased, commercial media adopted the hands-off approach you see now. This has also spawned the "both sides do it" approach.

Short answer: They've been cowered by bullies.
posted by Thorzdad at 6:39 AM on July 19, 2016 [61 favorites]


Unfortunately moderates of both parties have tried to push all this unpleasantness under the rug over the last 40 or so years. To politicos inside of the Beltway the election of Obama was "proof" that we were living in a post-racial America. That somehow electing a black man somehow erased centuries of racial resentment.

The true fact of the matter is that this return to White Nationalism on the part of conservatives plus all the issues that have brought BLM to the forefront of American political consciousness have revealed that no we never got better, we never really engaged in a truth and reconciliation movement, that all of the wounds were just covered with bandaids and allowed to fester.

Unfortunately the Great Society and the Civil Rights Movement ran out of steam before all the work was done. I think that it's absolutely critical that people from the current younger generations take up the mantle. As much as BLM and other activists are taking the lead it's also critical for the polite white people to step up and start joining the fray.
posted by vuron at 6:40 AM on July 19, 2016 [8 favorites]


Christie's still carrying water for the guy who repeatedly humiliated him in public, eh?
posted by The Card Cheat at 6:41 AM on July 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


If Dan Rather lost his job over the Killian documents, what do we do about Melania Trump?
posted by mikelieman at 6:41 AM on July 19, 2016


Christie's still carrying water for the guy who repeatedly humiliated him in public, eh?

He's not here for the hunting.
posted by Artw at 6:44 AM on July 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


Christie's still carrying water for the guy who repeatedly humiliated him in public, eh?

It takes a lot of beatings for a dog to turn on its owner.
posted by dis_integration at 6:45 AM on July 19, 2016 [8 favorites]


Blatant plagiarism is new, and it would be a mistake not to use it against him.

If anyone can effectively use it against him, they should definitely go ahead! I just am not sure that any of the American public except professional writers and academics gives much of a shit about a single plagiarized paragraph from the person who isn't even running for office.

Bear in mind that in the last five to ten years, the public has been slowly but surely had even the concept of plagiarism ground out of them. Memes get shared, forwards get altered, art gets stolen, and it all becomes part of a larger soup of unattributed stuff on Facebook; the byline is that they're all posted by That Great Account, not that they've been created by That Great Account. "Authorship", as a general idea, has been eroded tremendously. A campaign that builds its strength from low-information demagoguery is going to be the first to get that trickle-up effect of authorlessness.

I'd be surprised if this has much of an impact with the general public, except for people who make their living wording, or people who really like Michelle Obama; both of those groups were already pretty unlikely to vote for Trump.
posted by Greg Nog at 6:48 AM on July 19, 2016 [30 favorites]


I'm not finding much about the RNC amusing. The white supremacist hate-fest is making me extremely uncomfortable, but I swear to Maude, if I got Rick-rolled by Melania Trump last night, and I think I did, call me officially amused.
posted by Sophie1 at 6:53 AM on July 19, 2016 [7 favorites]


None of the racism will bother Trump supporters, but copying the words of Muslim Obama's wife? That's going to irritate them.

I'm sure they'll find a way to rationalise away the cognitive dissonance; they have form.
posted by acb at 6:54 AM on July 19, 2016


How the hell does Christie find time to govern New Jersey?
posted by Talez at 6:59 AM on July 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


I'm sure they'll find a way to rationalise away the cognitive dissonance; they have form.


If twitter is any indication, they are already deflecting to "liberals hate women", as predicted earlier in this thread.
posted by Tarumba at 7:01 AM on July 19, 2016


I think the importance of the plagiarism thing is less that serious people are talking about it seriously and more that a lot of people on the internet on making fun of the Trump campaign because of it. Make them look inept, silly, bumbling. Make them look weak, especially on the day after their dick-measuring pageant. The less time spent talking about how DT will make us safer the better.
posted by chaoticgood at 7:02 AM on July 19, 2016 [14 favorites]


This was 100% a disaster for Trump. The substantive issue is not as important as the other major problems with the convention so far, but it's just one of those topics that turns into a trash fire. Clinton doesn't need to touch it and it will still be dominating headlines all day and maybe into tomorrow. Complete wipeout.

And watching Melania and Michelle side-by-side does Melania zero favors.
posted by sallybrown at 7:02 AM on July 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


feloniousmonk, you are correct. There should be many more opportunities this week to point and laugh at the Trump Show.

The stakes are too high to be cavalier though.
posted by yesster


From the Late Show with Stephen Colbert: Clip and The Word
posted by ZeusHumms at 7:02 AM on July 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


twitter is any indication, they are already deflecting to "liberals hate women", as predicted earlier in this thread.

For instance, liberals totally give The Fat Sheriff a free pass on similar shit.
posted by Artw at 7:04 AM on July 19, 2016


It's also perfectly symbolic of the whole Trump campaign: no integrity, no reflectiveness, poor management. It's the kind of thing that everyone can grasp and that is symbolic of deeper ethical issues. This is a gift to the Clinton camp if they spin it right.
Obama's plagiarism. Biden's plagiarism. More Biden.

Nobody here really cares about this. And after the speech Trump actually tweeted this. It was intentional, either to distract or get the media talking about Melania and the convention for the next week or two.
posted by stavrogin at 7:04 AM on July 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


If twitter is any indication, they are already deflecting to "liberals hate women", as predicted earlier in this thread.

In fact, I've already heard commentators on the radio go with, "Hillary can't stand another woman succeeding and so just wants to destroy any other woman who steps into the spotlight".

Anyone who thinks that the plagiarism is going to matter a whit to the Republican base is deluding themselves.
posted by tocts at 7:06 AM on July 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


How the hell does Christie find time to govern New Jersey?

Oh he started?
posted by beerperson at 7:09 AM on July 19, 2016 [29 favorites]


And after the speech Trump actually tweeted this.
Obama's tweet in that pic is fake.
posted by clorox at 7:09 AM on July 19, 2016 [7 favorites]


Oh he started?

He's really letting his petty vendettas slide.
posted by Artw at 7:10 AM on July 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


And after the speech Trump actually tweeted this.

The Obama part of that screenshot is fake. The 2012 Dem convention wasn't until September.
posted by Roommate at 7:10 AM on July 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


We just had a morning prayer where leaders prayed for God to put his hand over our mouths when we thought of speaking up, and on our shoulders when we thought of raising from our chair.

I'm already nauseous and it's only 10am.
posted by corb at 7:12 AM on July 19, 2016 [158 favorites]


Making fun of Melania's speech needs to be handled carefully so that it looks fair instead of sexist.

Unfortunately it's hard to attack the words (because Michelle Obama said them first) without targeting the person. But it's still possible.

So talk about the rick-roll and the plagarism and stay the fuck away from talking about Melania's appearance.
posted by vuron at 7:12 AM on July 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


This isn't just about the base. This is about the huge swath of undecided people - the people who wait till Election Day to decide whether voting is worth their time and effort, or who are currently sitting around kind of disliking both candidates, etc. There's a huge chunk of still undecideds in the polling this cycle.
posted by sallybrown at 7:13 AM on July 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


The base is fully lobotomised and under remote control, you'll never shift those fuckers.
posted by Artw at 7:14 AM on July 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Manafort: "There’s a political tint to this whole issue... the Clinton camp was the first to get it out there."

I'm sick of Clinton politicizing this political convention, damn it!
posted by Drinky Die at 7:17 AM on July 19, 2016 [13 favorites]


We just had a morning prayer where leaders prayed for God to put his hand over our mouths when we thought of speaking up, and on our shoulders when we thought of raising from our chair.

This combined with yesterday's benediction that Clinton and Hilary were enemies. Talk about setting a tone.
posted by dry white toast at 7:18 AM on July 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


We just had a morning prayer where leaders prayed for God to put his hand over our mouths when we thought of speaking up, and on our shoulders when we thought of raising from our chair.

Holy crap, corb. I cannot imagine what this is like for you, but thank you for fighting the good fight. When the convention is over make sure you take some time for yourself, because this sounds like the sort of situation that demands a mental detox afterwards.
posted by Strange Interlude at 7:20 AM on July 19, 2016 [20 favorites]


Trump will just spin this as proof that we need a wall because immigrants are stealing our speeches.
posted by gatorae at 7:22 AM on July 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


Making fun of Melania's speech needs to be handled carefully so that it looks fair instead of sexist.

"Is", not "looks"
posted by Going To Maine at 7:22 AM on July 19, 2016 [19 favorites]


> We just had a morning prayer where leaders prayed for God to put his hand over our mouths when we thought of speaking up, and on our shoulders when we thought of raising from our chair.

Hasn't "Sit down and shut up" always been part of the GOP platform?
posted by The Card Cheat at 7:22 AM on July 19, 2016 [12 favorites]


Was it ever part of God's, though?
posted by rorgy at 7:24 AM on July 19, 2016 [6 favorites]




The base is fully lobotomised and under remote control, you'll never shift those fuckers.

They always need to be energized, though. That's what this convention is all about.
posted by Etrigan at 7:26 AM on July 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


We just had a morning prayer where leaders prayed for God to put his hand over our mouths when we thought of speaking up, and on our shoulders when we thought of raising from our chair.

I mean holy crap. It seems insane that after everything to date, this line sent shivers up my back, but ... holy crap. Straw, meet camel's back, I guess.
posted by alleycat01 at 7:27 AM on July 19, 2016 [11 favorites]


I'm already nauseous and it's only 10am.

Are you trying to do this with no medication?
posted by thelonius at 7:27 AM on July 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


That is just some straight up abusive cult shit right there.

Corb, I probably disagree with 99% of your viewpoint but I respect you as part of this community and admire your tenacity when engaging with this site. I do believe you are trying in earnest to fight the good fight. I hope you stay safe and thank you for giving the rest of us unique access to your situation.
posted by like_neon at 7:31 AM on July 19, 2016 [32 favorites]


"The Barack Obama I know today is the same man I fell in love with 19 years ago."

--Melania Trump, Cleveland, Ohio, 7/18/2016
posted by gimonca at 7:33 AM on July 19, 2016 [31 favorites]


I would add that, as a Democrat, I want Republicans to be smart, well-reasoned, convincing and determined to govern. I do not want a one-party system. But this version of the GOP is revolting.
posted by argybarg at 7:33 AM on July 19, 2016 [33 favorites]


None of the base is going to change their minds. People (and by people, I mean humans, not just these people) avoid admitting they were ever wrong at all costs.

The only people who can be swayed at this point are people who haven't decided and honestly, if you haven't decided at this stage of the game, it means you're not paying much attention. For people who don't pay attention (which is their right, lots of people have a lot of heavy shit going on in their lives) I think the most effective strategy is to create a general miasma of failure around your opponent. Humans like feeling right, and voting for the person who is for sure going to win makes you feel like a winner by proxy. (Which is why I hate our staggered, drawn out primary system--people are less likely to vote their conscience and more likely to vote for the person who looks like they're going to win).

It's tough with the Donald because his unique cocktail of personality disorders means that he himself will maintain until he draws his last breath that he's won everything ever despite all factual evidence to the contrary. The only hope there is to make his campaign look like the weakest of weak sauce. Democrats generally suck at this because they try to debate on the issues and take the higher ground. That's not going to work here. Anyone who hasn't decided yet isn't paying enough attention to hear another 45 minute speech full of technocracy and wonkery. Just let them know that Trump's campaign is a disaster, his attempts to lead his people have been a failure, he's going to lose and lose historically, he's the wrong horse to be backing, you'll look like an idiot if you vote for him.

(As far as plagiarism, I work at a university and the concept seems to be lost on a lot of people.)
posted by soren_lorensen at 7:35 AM on July 19, 2016 [26 favorites]


After hearing for 15 years how moderate Muslims need to come out and loudly denounce extremism within their religion, you would hope that moderate Republicans would start coming out in droves after last night. /waits
posted by gatorae at 7:36 AM on July 19, 2016 [55 favorites]


I put both Michelle Obama's and Melania Trump's versions of the paragraphs in TurnItIn (the standard university plagiarism-checker) and it gave me 100%, because apparently I'm not the only person with that idea (it returned similarity to another turned-in doc from Northern Arizona U).
posted by Dashy at 7:36 AM on July 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


As a Democrat, I'm pretty much praying for a benevolent alien invasion to save us from ourselves.
posted by emjaybee at 7:37 AM on July 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


I can see Trump winning because he's a novelty act and will be entertaining. For the undecideds that should be enough.
posted by argybarg at 7:37 AM on July 19, 2016


Oh, corb, I'm so sorry. I haven't been told by prayer that God wants me to sit down and shut up in many years, and I don't think I would handle it well if it happened again. I hope you write a book.

It just occurred to me that calling Melania out for plagiarism might remind some voters not of the moral bankruptcy of the Trump campaign, but of what a big goddamn deal that bitch Mrs. Entler made about it in sophomore year, how they failed the class and it totally ruined their life and fuck that shit, this ain't high school, this is the big time - but then, such voters were probably on board anyway.

Dashy, what does 100% mean there, all plagiarism?
posted by Countess Elena at 7:38 AM on July 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


Manafort is trying to blame the plagiarism issue on Hillary Clinton:

“She was speaking in front of 35 million people last night; she knew that. To think that she would be cribbing Michelle Obama’s words is crazy. I mean, it’s so — I mean, this is, once again, an example of when a woman threatens Hillary Clinton, how she seeks out to demean her and take her down. It’s not going to work.”

WTF? I don't... WTF?


This is part of the Trump's campaign to connect Hillary to Bill's philandering ways - the argument will be that rather than understanding the 90s as her being the victim of infidelity, the view of the public should be that she attempted to destroy Bill's accusers for their political gain.
posted by modernnomad at 7:38 AM on July 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


"After hearing for 15 years how moderate Muslims need to come out and loudly denounce extremism within their religion, you would hope that moderate Republicans would start coming out in droves after last night. /waits"

Isn't that what #nevertrump is?
posted by I-baLL at 7:39 AM on July 19, 2016 [8 favorites]


it gave me 100%, because apparently I'm not the only person with that idea (it returned similarity to another turned-in doc from Northern Arizona U).

Dude, people never remember to check the box that says not to add the paper to the repository.

/instructional technologist hat
posted by soren_lorensen at 7:40 AM on July 19, 2016 [9 favorites]


100% means that I entered the exact same paragraph in that someone else (at some other university) did somewhere else ..... because we're curious academics with the same tool.

I would have expected something like 60%, from my experience with too-closely paraphrased student papers.
posted by Dashy at 7:41 AM on July 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


"After hearing for 15 years how moderate Muslims need to come out and loudly denounce extremism within their religion, you would hope that moderate Republicans would start coming out in droves after last night. /waits"

Isn't that what #nevertrump is?


As has been mentioned multiple times on the Blue, the #NeverTrumpers' alternative was Ted Cruz. TED CRUZ. Those aren't moderates.
posted by zakur at 7:42 AM on July 19, 2016 [7 favorites]


Isn't that what #nevertrump is?

The entire Republican leadership is rolling over like kicked dogs, so not really. #nevertrump is great and all but the fact that it has no real support from the party brass shows that there is no such thing as moderate Republican leadership anymore.
posted by showbiz_liz at 7:42 AM on July 19, 2016 [10 favorites]


Soren, where is that box? (I am barely literate at TurnItIn, and loathe our course mgmt software in general)
posted by Dashy at 7:43 AM on July 19, 2016


The unfortunate thing about #neverTrump is that their solution was Cruz, who is arguably worse.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 7:46 AM on July 19, 2016 [10 favorites]


Paul Ryan continues to demonstrate a lack of understanding of sports fandom, after waving a Terrible Towel around on stage yesterday.
posted by NoxAeternum at 7:46 AM on July 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


> The entire Republican leadership is rolling over like kicked dogs, so not really.

I think a lot of them haven't rolled over so much as they perceive a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to elect a stuffed suit with even less interest in the actual reality of the job of President than GWB, and are hoping he wins and goes on to rubber stamp every bit of insane legislation and SC justice they toss on his desk.
posted by The Card Cheat at 7:46 AM on July 19, 2016 [11 favorites]


We just had a morning prayer where leaders prayed for God to put his hand over our mouths when we thought of speaking up, and on our shoulders when we thought of raising from our chair.


Shit, corb, I can't imagine what it must feel like to be there. That's just some straight up abusive crap. Wish I lived somewhere close to you so I could buy you a beer when this is all over. Stay safe. Same goes for any other members of the blue who might be there but aren't as vocal as corb in these discussions.

Actually, same goes for anyone in Cleveland.
posted by nubs at 7:47 AM on July 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Just listening to the CNN coverage of this, and a Trump strategist was trying to deflect criticism of the plagiarism. The Clinton strategist agreed, and said the focus should be more on the absolute disaster the rest of the night was for Trump, how disorganized and angry it all appeared, and how that reflects on Trump.

So the Clinton campaign at least in part wants to look past Melania and skewer Trump for all the other crap that went on yesterday.
posted by GhostintheMachine at 7:47 AM on July 19, 2016 [24 favorites]


corb, you should seriously think about finding the MSNBC people on the floor and just telling them what you know.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 7:48 AM on July 19, 2016 [46 favorites]


Night One in Cleveland: Ethno-Nationalism and C-List Celebrities

Rick Perry Gives Speech At Trump-Centered Convention, Pretends Donald Trump Doesn’t Exist

Rick Perry: Defending Conservatism Against the Cancer of Trump-ism

Trump Is Doing What Matters Most For Winning the Election

A Convention Like Every Other? - "After day one, it’s clear that the convention is so far quite a success: not too bizarre (B-list celebrities are usually better speakers than B-list politicians); Giuliani still a star and historic figure; Melania, a bit odd to have her speaking, but she is attractive and appealing. And the establishment GOP rebellion against Trump seems to have been quelled. To hear Melania in her Zsa Zsa Gabor voice say “We must all come together in a campaign like no other”—well, it’s not bad, not bad at all."

The Republican Hydra - "Why Donald Trump’s marketing and Paul Ryan’s ideas are such a toxic combination."

THE WORLD V THE DONALD - "How a made-for-TV foreign policy triggered real-world crises"
posted by the man of twists and turns at 7:49 AM on July 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Corb: are you okay with us sharing your comments via other forums (Facebook, etc)? I wrote up some of them on a friends-locked post, and have been asked if it's okay to share. I figured my own post was fine since it was locked and this is coming from a public forum, but the request to share gave me pause. Particularly given what you're saying and what happened with that delegate from Utah.
posted by scaryblackdeath at 7:49 AM on July 19, 2016 [7 favorites]


(As far as plagiarism, I work at a university and the concept seems to be lost on a lot of people.)

I've gotten the personal impression that some people on Metafilter and some academics really freak out about plagiarism, and most everyone else just shrugs.
posted by ovvl at 7:50 AM on July 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


The Clinton strategist agreed, and said the focus should be more on the absolute disaster the rest of the night was for Trump, how disorganized and angry it all appeared, and how that reflects on Trump.


Yeah, I'm thinking there's a kid out there, probably seven or eight years old, whose parents named him Benjamin Gazzi, who's probably been having a really rough time the past four years or so. Last night certainly couldn't have helped.
posted by TheWhiteSkull at 7:51 AM on July 19, 2016


Everyone loves having their homework copied!
posted by Artw at 7:52 AM on July 19, 2016


As has been mentioned multiple times on the Blue, the #NeverTrumpers' alternative was Ted Cruz. TED CRUZ. Those aren't moderates.

I just did a brief review of the #NeverTrump hashtag on Twitter, turning up a number of Cruz supporters, along with diehard supporters of other candidates (Rubio, Kasich, Carson), but mostly large numbers of upset conservatives that don't look like they're waving the flag for any one particular candidate. I suspect that a lot of the pro-Cruz sentiment in the #NeverTrump crowd was due to the fact that Cruz ended up being the only viable primary opponent left standing toward the end.

No matter how vile I think Cruz is (both as a person and a candidate), I refuse to buy into the line that he's "worse" than Trump. There is a world of difference between an amoral, race-baiting, grandstanding, unprincipled politician and Nacho Cheese Hitler.
posted by duffell at 7:52 AM on July 19, 2016 [14 favorites]


I obviously can't say for certain at this point, but this is looking more and more like an uphill fight for HRC.

Latest national poll, from NBC/SurveyMonkey, shows a difference of only 1 point, whether or not other candidates are included:

Head-to-head
Hillary Clinton 46%
Donald Trump 45%

Including other parties
Donald Trump 40%
Hillary Clinton 39%
Gary Johnson 10%
Jill Stein 5%

Poll was taken July 11-17. So, yeah... this is going to be a fight. Cross your fingers for a great DNC.
posted by clawsoon at 7:53 AM on July 19, 2016


Isn't a bump for Trump expected during the RNC?
posted by papercake at 7:55 AM on July 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


Both candidates get a bump from their conventions, so nothing should really change.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 7:57 AM on July 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Isn't a bump for Trump expected during the RNC?

Yes. There's almost always a convention bump, and it almost always settles back to where things were before. Odds are by mid-August we'll be back to seeing a steady 4-5 point Clinton lead that continues through election day. No guarantee, of course, but we aren't at freak-out time unless the numbers look bad on 8/15, after both conventions start fading into memory.
posted by Pater Aletheias at 7:57 AM on July 19, 2016 [7 favorites]


The candidate always gets some bump during their convention.
posted by cmfletcher at 7:57 AM on July 19, 2016


I'm not sure how to take polls right now. I've seen people saying that they're fairly predictive, and others saying that they don't have much meaning for November. I guess, either way, the openly fascist, racist, reality TV star being so close is distressing.
posted by codacorolla at 7:58 AM on July 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


that's interesting that the NBC/Surveymonkey poll suggests that Johnson & Stein draw equally from both Trump and Clinton supporters.
posted by modernnomad at 7:58 AM on July 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


This is an uphill fight because Trump has the easier job: Make the whole enterprise of electing a president as volatile, disordered and nonsensical as possible. Since his is naturally all three, fueled by personality disorders, he'll have no problem doing so.

Hillary has to get the election back onto rational ground, and she doesn't have the titanic rhetorical skills to do so.

Last night was the first night I saw, in high definition, what this nightmare is going to look like, and I don't see what will stop it. America is going to shoot itself in the face, in slow motion, and in response to nothing.
posted by argybarg at 7:58 AM on July 19, 2016 [12 favorites]


No matter how vile I think Cruz is (both as a person and a candidate), I refuse to buy into the line that he's "worse" than Trump.

It's quite possible to think that they are equally terrible in different ways, which I do. A Cruz win would still devastate this country, even if he would be less likely to start a nuclear war in a fit of pique/incompetence.

A Republican party that can govern effectively/positively no longer exists. But it can still effectively seize/hold power and do massive harm.
posted by emjaybee at 7:59 AM on July 19, 2016 [7 favorites]


Corb: are you okay with us sharing your comments via other forums (Facebook, etc)? I wrote up some of them on a friends-locked post, and have been asked if it's okay to share.

I don't mind as long as it's at least somewhat paraphrased or word shifted and your friends don't mention it's from Metafilter - the last thing I want is the Trump whips tracking me back here and going through my Ask history or whatever.

corb, you should seriously think about finding the MSNBC people on the floor and just telling them what you know.

They're not eager for us. Even the more liberal media sites seem weirdly uncomfortable with covering our distaste for Trump, let alone our real feelings.
posted by corb at 8:00 AM on July 19, 2016 [48 favorites]


Also: the last 24 hours have been acutely painful and enraging to me as a social studies and language arts teacher. Yes, the plagiarism -- but also the echoes of history, the middle finger being thrown at democracy, the endless batshit racism.

rorgy made a great comment about public ed and NCLB, but I wanted to say, for the record, that even something geared to standardize like NCLB didn't impact all schools equally. Regional tendencies still hold sway, along with budgets, etc. We have good schools and bad schools. I'm in Seattle, and I've never once had anything about my curriculum shunted into a standardized format that other teachers were bound by. Implementation and adherence totally varies.

I saw a lot of people say after Steve King's asinine "question" yesterday that history teachers all over the country were probably having their heads explode. For the record, my answer to his question is, "Fuck you, clown."
posted by scaryblackdeath at 8:00 AM on July 19, 2016 [20 favorites]


46% of the country. Convention bump or not...I don't know how you get from a point where almost one in two people think Donald Fucking Trump would be a good or even suitable choice for President to a place where government functions properly, for the people by the people. If this were a Civilization-style video game I'd turn it off and start over.
posted by The Card Cheat at 8:02 AM on July 19, 2016 [52 favorites]


The candidate always gets some bump during their convention.

According to 538, the size of the bump has gone down during recent years.
posted by Going To Maine at 8:03 AM on July 19, 2016


Hillary has to get the election back onto rational ground, and she doesn't have the titanic rhetorical skills to do so.

Hillary may not alone, but the party has some masters of rhetoric on its team. I'm hopeful that the DNC will do its job.
posted by Sophie1 at 8:04 AM on July 19, 2016 [