Summon all the courage you require, then count. (Day 1, 2, 3, FOUR) RNC
July 21, 2016 5:31 AM   Subscribe

The morning after Trump's running mate, Mike Pence's big night, the headlines read, "Ted Cruz Dashes Hopes for Unity by Snubbing Donald Trump." Welcome to Day Four.

What to expect on Day 4 of the RNC

By grace of the mods there will be a new RNC thread each day for discussion and live-blogging.
posted by roomthreeseventeen (3693 comments total) 47 users marked this as a favorite
 


I'm just imagining that Walker, after seeing Cruz's speech was like "We could do that?"
posted by drezdn at 5:34 AM on July 21, 2016 [76 favorites]


Some of the comments in these threads about how 'omg there's gonna be widespread convention violence' have begun to seem like quasi-masturbatory wishful thinking in the guise of hand-wringing concern, and I wish people would cut it out.
posted by showbiz_liz at 5:36 AM on July 21, 2016 [69 favorites]


Ted Cruz is a despicable Debate Club Asshole, but damn if it isn't fun watching him turn that on people who deserve it.

All his life he's practiced disappointing so badly that people give him death threats, and last night he delivered a virtuoso performance. Now let's burn every debate team to the ground so Ted Cruz can never respawn, while the mobs are on our side.
posted by rorgy at 5:37 AM on July 21, 2016 [26 favorites]




It's been astounding. I imagine they'd be outraged to no end about America.
posted by juiceCake at 5:40 AM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


I was wondering, if it came to a Gore/Bush 2000 scenario, would Ruth Bader Ginsburg have to recuse herself for showing prior bias?

The darkest timeline.
posted by adept256 at 5:40 AM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


showbiz_liz, what are you talking about? I've seen relief that there hasn't been convention violence, and then horror/terror that the convention has become an extended call for Clinton's head amidst a pageantry of fear.
posted by schadenfrau at 5:41 AM on July 21, 2016 [22 favorites]


Much applause for the most excellent (and fully fleshed out) title.
posted by Joey Michaels at 5:42 AM on July 21, 2016 [11 favorites]


@showbiz_liz: For my part (although I haven't posted anything here about it) I am genuinely concerned that the hate-filled, violence-inciting rhetoric during the RNC is going to motivate someone to commit violence at the DNC, with their ultimate aim being killing Clinton.
posted by papercake at 5:42 AM on July 21, 2016 [15 favorites]


I'm thinking given Trump's comments on NATO that people should follow him around in chicken costumes and waving The Red Flag.
posted by Francis at 5:42 AM on July 21, 2016 [4 favorites]


Yeaaaahhh I still can't respect Ted Cruz. He's still loathsome.

Also, from the last thread, A+ Monster of Venice cite, codacorolla. That book, aside from being a cracking true crime story, gave me a lot of insight into the conspiracy theory mindset.
posted by soren_lorensen at 5:43 AM on July 21, 2016 [10 favorites]


You know that thing yesterday where I said that Jafar would be better as an "advisor" running the country than Pence would?

I'm slightly unsettled by the idea that we could end up with a different 90s cartoon villain instead.

The notion of a president who doesn't want to be president seemed funny at first, and it's getting scarier by the minute.
posted by Sequence at 5:43 AM on July 21, 2016


The Atlantic - It's Official: Hilary Clinton Is Running Against Vladimir Putin
Wow. I'm not sure I've seen a Republican nominee for the presidency be convincingly red-baited before.
posted by Sonny Jim at 5:43 AM on July 21, 2016 [13 favorites]


corb appreciation.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 5:44 AM on July 21, 2016 [16 favorites]


@showbiz_liz: For my part (although I haven't posted anything here about it) I am genuinely concerned that the hate-filled, violence-inciting rhetoric during the RNC is going to motivate someone to commit violence at the DNC, with their ultimate aim being killing Clinton

This is basically the sentiment I shared in the last thread right before this one was created. I am hoping that years of taking care of Obama as well as Hillary (as First Lady, Senator, Secretary of State (my God how is Trump even a thing)) should have the security around this event be well prepared and on high alert.
posted by like_neon at 5:45 AM on July 21, 2016 [6 favorites]


You guys who didn't stay up to watch really missed something. Christie cut off Cruz's hand with a sword, then Trump electrocuted Cruz, but with the flashes of lightning reflected in Christie's cold, dead eyes, suddenly a flicker of humanity reappeared and he picked Trump up and threw him down the reactor shaft.
posted by XMLicious at 5:46 AM on July 21, 2016 [146 favorites]


There's lots of good reading about the real Donald Trump on the New Yorker website right now. Here's Tony Schwartz's full mea culpa about having accidentally created Trump by ghost-writing The Art of The Deal for him. Here's news of Trump's characteristically thin-skinned legal action against Schwartz for speaking out against him. And here's Mark Singer's appalled NYer profile of Trump from 1997 (which the Guardian has just reviewed in its form as a newly-published book).
posted by Paul Slade at 5:46 AM on July 21, 2016 [12 favorites]


For the record, Republican elected officials did play an integral part in the passage of the Civil Rights Bill. That does not make them pro-racial equality now. But let's not re-write history.
posted by Rock 'em Sock 'em at 5:46 AM on July 21, 2016 [6 favorites]


Conveniently for the RNC, this year's Gathering of the Juggalos is also being held in Ohio and runs from today through the weekend
posted by Flashman at 5:49 AM on July 21, 2016 [22 favorites]


I listened to BBC Overnight on KUOW FM this morning just before Morning Edition on NPR came on. Trump on what if Russia invades the Baltics was a lead headline on the BBC. On NPR: nothing so far. I just can't even...
posted by y2karl at 5:50 AM on July 21, 2016 [11 favorites]


Wow. I'm not sure I've seen a Republican nominee for the presidency be convincingly red-baited before.

Putin is about as communist as Ted Cruz is.
posted by zombieflanders at 5:53 AM on July 21, 2016 [16 favorites]


I'm worried there will be violence in Philly because parking in the middle of the street is going to be temporarily disallowed.
posted by Drinky Die at 5:54 AM on July 21, 2016 [20 favorites]


The notion of a president who doesn't want to be president seemed funny at first, and it's getting scarier by the minute.

I feel like I'm being sucked into defending Trump totally against my will, but the idea that the president actually manages the executive bureaucracy while being a sort of philosopher-warrior-priest with sage knowledge about the world is just wrong. there's no decision that the US president could make that couldn't be better made by someone who actually knows something about it. what's more, that's what actually will happen.

what people are afraid of, with Trump, is that he will actually start making decisions on his own. Bush's invasion of Iraq didn't happen because he was the president. it happened, in part, because Cheney subverted the national security apparatus that our political elite relies on to make these sorts of decisions, and partly because the logic of our posture wrt Iraq and the middle east led to war one way or another. which is why no one was prosecuted, because the decision came out of the system, not one incompetent president who could barely manage a baseball team, much less the federal government.

point being that Trump's notion of president as "chairman of the board" or some such, really isn't wrong...
posted by ennui.bz at 5:55 AM on July 21, 2016 [13 favorites]


Those of us who rode the Bernie train to get here learned very quickly that NPR lack even the semblance of conviction, are not reliably impartial, give the wrongs kinds of attention in the most dangerously arbitrary of ways, and doggedly assert no truth, whatsoever. They are the unchecked white privilege of news.
posted by an animate objects at 5:56 AM on July 21, 2016 [61 favorites]


I just finally watched (as opposed to just listening to the audio) the final moments of Cruz's speech and Trump walking in. Never before in my life have I more wanted Thunderdome to be a thing. Put these two in a room full of pointy objects and lock the fucking door. They deserve each other.
posted by soren_lorensen at 5:56 AM on July 21, 2016 [14 favorites]


My respect for Cruz doubled after last night. But zero times two is still zero.
posted by entropicamericana at 5:57 AM on July 21, 2016 [256 favorites]


You can't deny Trump will have trolled his own supporters if he wins the presidency and then delegates everything to a career religious nut politician like Pence.
posted by Tarumba at 5:57 AM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


Ok this makes me feel somewhat better re: security at the DNC

The convention is designated as a National Special Security Event, which means that ultimate authority over law enforcement goes to the Secret Service and Department of Homeland Security
posted by like_neon at 5:58 AM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


Some of the comments in these threads about how 'omg there's gonna be widespread convention violence' have begun to seem like quasi-masturbatory wishful thinking in the guise of hand-wringing concern, and I wish people would cut it out.

Not just the comments from users, but from the media. Was watching NPR's coverage last night and the one commentator actually seemed dissappointed that there were only a handful of arrests made during the day. But then quickly followed it up with a: "And we hope it continues peacefully." to save some face after she realized how terribly offensive her tone was.
posted by Fizz at 5:59 AM on July 21, 2016 [6 favorites]


NPR American media coverage of international news is a disgrace.
posted by tivalasvegas at 6:01 AM on July 21, 2016 [13 favorites]


New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie -- a former presidential candidate and now a Trump backer -- blasted Cruz's speech in an interview with Bash.
"I think it was awful," Christie said. "And quite frankly, I think it was something selfish. And he signed a pledge. And it's his job to keep his word."


Do you think there were dudes on the Titanic clutching the handrails screaming at the people fleeing "IT'S A BOAT, IT SHOULD FLOAT, STAY HERE ON THE BOAT, THE BOAT WILL FLOAT"
posted by Greg Nog at 6:01 AM on July 21, 2016 [90 favorites]


Cruz essentially said to the entire RNC, "I think Trump will lose to Hillary Clinton."

By not endorsing Trump, Cruz is toast if Trump actually wins. He'll be exiled to what ever the GOP version of Siberia is. On the other hand, if Trump does lose the election, Cruz comes back and says, I told you so. You need to pick a "real conservative" like me. Obviously that strategy could backfire, since telling people they made a stupid decision isn't going to win him many friends, but that's not the sort of thing that seems to bother him anyway.
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 6:02 AM on July 21, 2016 [9 favorites]




The Atlantic - It's Official: Hilary Clinton Is Running Against Vladimir Putin

I was making jokes about this many thread-hours ago, but I'm starting to wonder if Putin and Trump haven't made a secret pact. There may be an october surprise that tanks HRC, courtesy of the FSB. I mean this is just the teenage listener of Coast to Coast AM in me talking, and I've allegedly grown up into a rational human being, but I remember the Iran-Contra deal. Trump is slipperier than Nixon and Reagan combined.
posted by dis_integration at 6:04 AM on July 21, 2016 [16 favorites]


I thought the party line was "Cruz speech is NBD"?
posted by tivalasvegas at 6:04 AM on July 21, 2016



Ok this makes me feel somewhat better re: security at the DNC


Keep in my that's the same Secret Service that kept letting people get way to close to Obama.
posted by drezdn at 6:04 AM on July 21, 2016


When is that June fundraising report due?
When are they going to hound trump's tax returns out of him?

Show me the money!
posted by Dashy at 6:05 AM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Oh my god, you guys...I was an hour away from home, waiting for my daughter's play practice to be over (SOOOOO LOOOOOONG) and my stupid phone died and I couldn't get any WiFi for my iPad and I had NO IDEA what was going on.

Just caught up with Corb's updates in the previous thread and I am slightly more than cautiously optimistic at this point. I never, ever thought I would say this non-sarcastically, but: Thanks, Ted Cruz!
posted by cooker girl at 6:06 AM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


I (UK) decided to give NPR a spin over the past couple of weeks due to my interest in the US election. I must say that it comes across very weird. Getting most of my US news via Mefi and 538 I guess I may have a liberal/reality bias but it has been really striking how their attempts at even handedness means they are unable to be forthright in addressing issues .

Is this due to-
Fear of funding cuts if not seen as impartial to the point of blindness?
The presenters actually do think they are being even-handed?
US centre of political gravity being so far to the right of me that they are fair and balanced in their own, and in the public's mind?
The fact that the podcasts deal with rapidly emerging stories so by the time I get to hear their podcast the details they did not have at hand have informed my view so they seem so very cautious?
posted by Gratishades at 6:07 AM on July 21, 2016 [9 favorites]


My favorite part about the Cruz thing is how Trump tweeted after the fact claiming how he saw the speech in advance, and it's no big deal.

Sure, Donald. Sure.
posted by tocts at 6:07 AM on July 21, 2016 [5 favorites]


Cruz is speaking at a breakfast for the Texas delegation right now (where he got a standing ovation upon entering) and confirmed that the Trump campaign saw his speech in advance and said "I would have gone home if they wanted me to."
posted by dry white toast at 6:10 AM on July 21, 2016 [12 favorites]


Here's the link to Trump's tweet about Cruz's speech, in case any of you haven't seen it yet.
posted by rorgy at 6:11 AM on July 21, 2016 [14 favorites]


Damn, was hoping for a rickroll.
posted by Drinky Die at 6:13 AM on July 21, 2016 [12 favorites]


But, surely, someone must have checked Cruz speech? Like, umm, Mr Cruz sir? just wanna make sure you're going to endorse Mr trump like you promised and no shenanigans this time? Mr Cruz, please stop giggling and look at me: No. Shenanigans. Ok?! Mr Cruz, I can see that you are crossing your fingers, sir!
posted by Foci for Analysis at 6:13 AM on July 21, 2016 [17 favorites]


'omg there's gonna be widespread convention violence' have begun to seem like quasi-masturbatory wishful thinking in the guise of hand-wringing concern
Originally I was afraid violence might spill in from outside the convention, with some demagogue progressing from "Trump is the next Hitler!" to "It's time to tear apart the Republican Party! We need rocks and knives and guns!"

I'm still sure there are demagogues that extreme out there, but they must be as nonplussed as the rest of us. "It's time to tear apart the Republican Party! Or sit back and watch, I guess! We need popcorn!"
posted by roystgnr at 6:14 AM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


Gratishades, mostly the second and third.

NPR gets very little funding from the government actually, it's about half individual contributions and half corporate sponsorships I believe.

I think their niche is probably closer to The Guardian than the BBC although not openly partisan But the demographic of their listeners is pretty much middle-class white urban center-left types.
posted by tivalasvegas at 6:14 AM on July 21, 2016 [4 favorites]


What else is Trump going to say? "No! Nobody vote your conscience! That would be a disaster for me!"
posted by roystgnr at 6:14 AM on July 21, 2016 [7 favorites]


"I think it was awful," Christie said. "And quite frankly, I think it was something selfish. And he signed a pledge. And it's his job to keep his word."

Trump, Trump über alles, über alles in der Welt.
posted by zarq at 6:15 AM on July 21, 2016 [5 favorites]


But, surely, someone must have checked Cruz speech?

This is the campaign that invited the wrong person to speak at their own convention.
posted by PenDevil at 6:15 AM on July 21, 2016 [17 favorites]


Will the Cruz Non-Endorsement Really Change Any Votes in November?
But will it matter? The overwhelming majority of Republicans already say they're going to vote Trump -- he and Hillary Clinton have consolidated their party bases to approximately the same extent. Yes, there are GOP holdouts -- but is there anyone who would have voted Trump and now plans not to, emboldened by the Cruz speech? Does anyone actually like Ted Cruz that much?

I know he won a lot of votes in the primaries -- but he doesn't command personal loyalty the way Trump does. He just embodies a set of ideas many Republicans hold dear, after hearing them articulated every day for years on Fox and talk radio and religious-right broadcasts. It's not about him. How many divisions does Ted Cruz have? Who sees him as a leader?

If anything, we're hearing that Hillary Clinton thinks she can peel off some moderate Republicans. How many right-centrist Republican women in the Philadelphia suburbs are going to rally to the words of culture warrior Ted Cruz?

[...]

Meanwhile, what does this do to Ted Cruz? It's obvious that he thinks Trump will lose this year. It's obvious that he's positioning himself for 2020. But does this really help him win the next nomination? In the following exchange, I think Josh Barro has a point:
@LizMair .@jbarro Oh, that helps Cruz. Makes it extra certain he can run again-- and win, bc he was the guy who knew Trump was a dead duck-- in 2020

@jbarro @LizMair if trump loses by 12, this might work. if he loses by 4, Cruz will be pilloried for not "helping him over the top."
And I think, after all this bumbling, Trump will lose by 2, because there's so much anti-Hillary animosity out there, and because the GOP has, if anything, strengthened its Team White People brand in the Obama years, winning lots of non-presidential victories in the Midwest the way it's won them in the South in recent decades. If it's a narrow loss for Trump, Republicans are going to look for scapegoats -- they'll blame the media and "voter fraud" and probably George Soros and Saul Alinsky -- but they'll also blame Cruz. So I don't see how this helps him. I think the next GOP nominee will be either Tom Cotton or Donald Trump Jr.
posted by tonycpsu at 6:15 AM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


I wanted to know what happened with this whole thing: Tsereteli and Trump had discussed erecting on the Hudson River a statue of Christopher Columbus that was six feet taller than the Statue of Liberty (from the 1997 New Yorker article), so I did some research and found out it got turned down by six cities and ended up getting chucked onto poor Puerto Rico. Story also from artnet.
posted by lauranesson at 6:15 AM on July 21, 2016 [5 favorites]




"I think it was awful," Christie said. "And quite frankly, I think it was something selfish. And he signed a pledge. And it's his job to keep his word."

Christie proceeded to invoke Article 5 of the Trump Pledge.
posted by AndrewInDC at 6:16 AM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


Originally I was afraid violence might spill in from outside the convention, with some demagogue progressing from "Trump is the next Hitler!" to "It's time to tear apart the Republican Party! We need rocks and knives and guns!"

Given the insanely creepy quasi-nazi-rally / witchhunt thing going on inside the convention, and the history of the people inside the convention with respects to views on guns and the use of violence as acceptable government policy, what exactly made you conclude that it was people outside the convention that would be a risk?
posted by tocts at 6:17 AM on July 21, 2016 [5 favorites]


But, surely, someone must have checked Cruz speech?

Apparently every single word (other than his ad lib about the enthusiasm of the New York delegation) was reviewed and approved in advance.
posted by zarq at 6:18 AM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


Thank you, MeFi, for watching this so I don't have to.
posted by the painkiller at 6:18 AM on July 21, 2016 [28 favorites]


Anyone who has ever thought that Ted Cruz does anything but act on his own behalf permanently loses the right to look surprised.

If Cruz walked by a burning orphanage, his first actions would be to get the orphans to sign loyalty oaths and iron out the payment plans for his bill.
posted by delfin at 6:18 AM on July 21, 2016 [12 favorites]


By not endorsing Trump, Cruz is toast if Trump actually wins. He'll be exiled to what ever the GOP version of Siberia is. On the other hand, if Trump does lose the election, Cruz comes back and says, I told you so. You need to pick a "real conservative" like me.

Cruz may think about it that way but, what he's done, on national TV, is show, once again, that he will always put his own interests ahead of the party. Who could ever support him other than his own followers?
posted by ennui.bz at 6:19 AM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Donald Trump taking the time to read things when he could just wave them off doesn't seem very plausible TBH.
posted by Artw at 6:19 AM on July 21, 2016 [26 favorites]


Cruz crafted a speech that on paper looked like it was in support of Trump but read out loud became a clear denunciation. Say what you will about the man, that is a serious rhetorical feat.
posted by EarBucket at 6:22 AM on July 21, 2016 [132 favorites]


Cruz may think about it that way but, what he's done, on national TV, is show, once again, that he will always put his own interests ahead of the party. Who could ever support him other than his own followers?

Assuming they align with his repugnant political positions, quite a few Republicans who think Donald Trump is a thin-skinned, lying racist blowhard who will singlehandedly destroy both the GOP and American supremacy. Probably.

People will respect Cruz for standing up for what he believes in, and for not cowing to a man who insulted him, his wife and made nasty insinuations about his family.
posted by zarq at 6:23 AM on July 21, 2016 [7 favorites]


Go read Daniel Dale's Twitter stream from the Texas delegation breakfast. Cruz is not just focusing on Trump (though he says he didn't actually say anything bad about him), he's going after the entire GOP message of attacking Clinton on her emails. Says the party should be talking about "freedom", whatever that means.

I don't think I've ever experienced so much schadenfreude.
posted by dry white toast at 6:24 AM on July 21, 2016 [15 favorites]


Cruz crafted a speech that on paper looked like it was in support of Trump but read out loud became a clear denunciation. Say what you will about the man, that is a serious rhetorical feat.

It was kind of amazing to watch it unfold. He kept pausing at key moments where it would have been natural for him to segue into a Trump endorsement. Until the last few minutes, I kept waiting for him to do it and wondering if he would.
posted by zarq at 6:25 AM on July 21, 2016 [25 favorites]


I either read it in the other thread or in an article but I believe the way it breaks down is:

- Trump reads Cruz's speech, sees that there is no full endorsement
- Decides to let Cruz talk anyway in case he pulls out an endorsement at the last minute
- Sees that there is no endorsement coming and whips up the crowd to boo Cruz in order to embarrass Cruz
- Is so narcissistic and inexperienced as a politician, does not realise this makes Trump and the Republican party look stupid, not Cruz
posted by like_neon at 6:25 AM on July 21, 2016 [23 favorites]


If Cruz walked by a burning orphanage, his first actions would be to get the orphans to sign loyalty oaths and iron out the payment plans for his bill.

And yet, we love the Nevertrumps SO MUCH.
posted by malocchio at 6:25 AM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


This is the campaign that invited the wrong person to speak at their own convention.

Imagine if they'd accidentally invited both of the Brian's Cox! Now that would have been something.
posted by GenjiandProust at 6:26 AM on July 21, 2016 [4 favorites]


RNC: Time to party like it's 1939.
posted by dances_with_sneetches at 6:26 AM on July 21, 2016 [5 favorites]


Cruz may think about it that way but, what he's done, on national TV, is show, once again, that he will always put his own interests ahead of the party. Who could ever support him other than his own followers?

Yeah, Ted Cruz doesn't deserve respect be...huh. I had a specific reason in mind, but actually anything I might write after this would be irrelevant, wouldn't it? Okay, never mind
posted by Naberius at 6:26 AM on July 21, 2016




For the record, Republican elected officials did play an integral part in the passage of the Civil Rights Bill. That does not make them pro-racial equality now. But let's not re-write history

Cruz:

"We passed the Civil Rights Act, and fought to eliminate Jim Crow laws."

The "we" there was the rhetorical bullshit, since the GOP purged the liberals that were & are for civil rights, and has taken in the Dem conservatives that were against.
posted by Heywood Mogroot III at 6:28 AM on July 21, 2016 [11 favorites]




Actually, reading that twitter stream that dry white toast linked to is making me respect Cruz. His own delegates are shouting at him and he's standing firm.
posted by papercake at 6:29 AM on July 21, 2016 [5 favorites]


Ted Cruz kept smirking as if he was the smartest asshole in the room. Mind you, he always does that, but this time he was, so I guess yesterday was what Ted Cruz tells himself every day of his life is like?

It's really disappointing that he's a politician. He'd make for the perfect villain in The Princess Bride 2. Especially if they let him cowrite the script and attempt to trickster himself into winning. I'd watch that movie three times in theaters.
posted by rorgy at 6:29 AM on July 21, 2016 [7 favorites]


www.tedcruz.com. That is all.
posted by scalefree at 6:30 AM on July 21, 2016 [29 favorites]


Was there a sale on white hats in Texas? Why do they all have the same one?
posted by lauranesson at 6:30 AM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Ted Cruz is a despicable Debate Club Asshole, but damn if it isn't fun watching him turn that on people who deserve it.

It's also kinda fun speculating about whether Hitler had syphilis. That doesn't make the prospect of catching it any more appealing.
posted by howfar at 6:30 AM on July 21, 2016 [8 favorites]


That's Photoshop. There population of Texas is actually just Ted Cruz.
posted by beerperson at 6:31 AM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


From the Daniel Dale Twitter stream:

Ted Cruz with not a memo but a mission statement: "This is not just a team sport...this is about principles and ideals."
posted by cooker girl at 6:31 AM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


26 minutes between standing ovation to castigation. Extraordinary.
posted by like_neon at 6:32 AM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Dale's whole stream right now is incredible.

Woman: I love you. I know Trump dissed your wife horribly. But this is not about you, it's about the United States!

A U-S-A chant erupts.


I feel like I'm having a fever dream.
posted by dry white toast at 6:32 AM on July 21, 2016 [9 favorites]


Is it possible that Cruz is simply taking the opportunity to give Trump some payback, rather than making some sort of bold political gamble? Occam's Razor and all...
posted by haiku warrior at 6:32 AM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


as if he was the smartest asshole in the room. Mind you, he always does that, but this time he was

True though if this bar was any lower I would have to call my local utility company to get permission to access it
posted by Greg Nog at 6:33 AM on July 21, 2016 [76 favorites]


OMG I can't stop refreshing this stream.
Cruz: "Can anyone imagine our nominee standing in front of voters and answering questions like this?
posted by like_neon at 6:33 AM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


I am loving Ted Cruz right now, and that makes me crazy. I think history is going look upon him favorably for this, no matter who gets elected.
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 6:34 AM on July 21, 2016 [11 favorites]


I say again: this is the perfect use case for Thunderdome. Let's do this, America.
posted by soren_lorensen at 6:34 AM on July 21, 2016 [5 favorites]


I was wondering, if it came to a Gore/Bush 2000 scenario, would Ruth Bader Ginsburg have to recuse herself for showing prior bias?

1. Hillary is going to win, so no worries on that front. I'm betting it'll be declared by midnight on election night.

2. RBG would not have have recuse herself. Literally no one can force her to do anything, not by any known mechanism. Finally, it's up to each individual judge whether to recuse themselves and I can't see RBG doing that a Gore/Bush situation (which won't happen)
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 6:34 AM on July 21, 2016 [6 favorites]


If it's a narrow loss for Trump, Republicans are going to look for scapegoats -- they'll blame the media and "voter fraud" and probably George Soros and Saul Alinsky -- but they'll also blame Cruz. So I don't see how this helps him. I think the next GOP nominee will be either Tom Cotton or Donald Trump Jr.

Seems like a reasonable assessment but also, 2020 is four years away and as recently as ten months ago no one thought Donald Trump would be the GOP nominee yet here we are
posted by tivalasvegas at 6:35 AM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


NPR = Nice Polite Republicans. If you're accustomed to BBC Radio 4 news coverage -- which has its own flaws, but in different areas -- the refusal of NPR to call a spade a shovel will never cease to irritate.
posted by holgate at 6:36 AM on July 21, 2016 [25 favorites]


The delegate breakfast is fascinating- so many angry, confused people and that twitter steam is amazing.

Ted Cruz's conclusion: I'm going to continue to tell the truth. Crowd responds with mix of cheers and death stares.

posted by Torosaurus at 6:36 AM on July 21, 2016 [8 favorites]


When even my remarkably chill and together yoga teacher friend (who teaches "punk rock yoga" here in Cleveland, it's pretty spectacular) is worried about violence downtown today, I get a little worried. My magazine editor friend (@erin__obrien) has been reporting live from the scene and things definitely got way intense last night.
posted by bitter-girl.com at 6:37 AM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


"In that speech last night I did not say one negative word about Donald Trump."

July 21, 2016

This is some comical shade.
posted by winna at 6:37 AM on July 21, 2016 [10 favorites]


I'm searching the last thread and wondering if there was a way established to indeed buy corb a drink, and/or a charity to donate to on their behalf? :)
posted by Theta States at 6:38 AM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


I wondered during Cruz's speech if the crowds were going to chant "Lock him up! Lock him up!" I had one hand ready to adjust my Despot Clock from 5-til-Midnight to 11:59 and the other holding the keys to my underground fallout shelter.

Tonight I'll be checking if Trump comes in sans eyebrows to the roar of the house band playing Pink Floyd's In the Flesh.
posted by about_time at 6:39 AM on July 21, 2016 [14 favorites]


Someplace (maybe the Drudge Report) used the headline "Ted Wedding."
posted by drezdn at 6:40 AM on July 21, 2016 [14 favorites]


Live footage of Cruz just now.
That pledge was not a blank commitment that, if you go and slander and attack Heidi, I am nonetheless gonna come like a servile puppy dog and say, "Thank you very much for maligning my wife and maligning my father."
posted by rorgy at 6:40 AM on July 21, 2016 [77 favorites]


Given the insanely creepy quasi-nazi-rally / witchhunt thing going on inside the convention

Laurie Penny: "The violence is where it always is at events like these: inside the hall. It’s on the stage. It’s inside all of us, including those who came here to bear witness, by dint of complicity."
posted by holgate at 6:40 AM on July 21, 2016 [17 favorites]


Yeah, somebody should really tell these guys that that album was supposed to be a metaphor.
posted by Huffy Puffy at 6:41 AM on July 21, 2016


I can 100% percent believe that Trump's crew read the speech ahead of time and that letting Cruz read it so they can whip the crowd into a frenzy to teach him a lesson was the entire plan, Trump's whipped crowds into violence before and the fascist bully play is the first one I'd expect from him. Fortunately they couldn't muster up a total brownshirt reaction and mainly just provoked boos, which seems impotent in the face of what Cruz did.
posted by jason_steakums at 6:41 AM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Josh Marshall: Making Sense of the Conflagration
One can debate whether it is wise or sensible for the United States to guarantee the independence of small states on the periphery of Russia which had for centuries been either within the Russian domain or inside its sphere of influence. But we have. In his comments to the Times, Trump treated the matter like a real estate goon shaking down a distressed landlord to make an easy buck.

Trump's mix of cocky ambiguity and predation could scarcely be better primed to trigger the kind of great power confrontation that could push the world from smoldering to fire. It is no exaggeration to say that were it not for the relative confidence that Trump will be defeated in November that interview alone could trigger a genuine international crisis.

Indeed, it still may.

Trump brings together aggression and narcissism with a kind of militant ignorance which can be harmless or even amusing in the make believe world of reality TV or New York real estate but becomes positively dangerous on a national and global stage, thrashing about like a hose spewing fire. As Will Saletan memorably put it, the GOP is a failed state and Trump is its warlord. On his own Trump is simply a bracing case study in abnormal psychology. But he didn't shoot to within reach of the most powerful office in the world by happenstance. He is the product of a political and cultural breakdown on the American right, a swaggering reductio ad absurdum of every breach and breakdown and violation of extra-statutory norms we've seen over the last two or three decades.
posted by zombieflanders at 6:41 AM on July 21, 2016 [51 favorites]


This convention would make Malcolm Tucker reach for cyanide capsules.
posted by dry white toast at 6:41 AM on July 21, 2016 [8 favorites]


Hell, I'll go downtown later and take corb a bottle of our finest if it's feasible. Or set up a credit at Happy Hour Collection, a delightful little booze accessories store adjacent to the convention security zone. No one should have to endure this sober, it's inhumane.
posted by bitter-girl.com at 6:42 AM on July 21, 2016 [15 favorites]


I am loving Ted Cruz right now, and that makes me crazy. I think history is going look upon him favorably for this, no matter who gets elected.

Which is funny, because really his brand of uncompromising politics is a major part of what caused the party to be so dysfunctional Trump could win the primary in the first place. Trump is the result of a disease people like Cruz gave this party.
posted by Drinky Die at 6:42 AM on July 21, 2016 [44 favorites]


Theta States, I've just texted her to get her thoughts.
posted by cooker girl at 6:43 AM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


Tonight I'll be checking if Trump comes in sans eyebrows to the roar of the house band playing Pink Floyd's In the Flesh.


Is it too late to pass the hat and get G. E. Smith to play this? Yes? No?
posted by the painkiller at 6:45 AM on July 21, 2016 [8 favorites]


Did anyone catch this interview with Falwell Jr on NPR this morning?

He actually said: "I've never seen any arrogance from Donald Trump".

He actually said that.

And Steve Inskeep didn't slap him in his face and ask him if he knew this was real life.
posted by dis_integration at 6:45 AM on July 21, 2016 [35 favorites]


Following @DDALE8 on twitter for coverage of Cruz this morning and hoooooly shit!
posted by Theta States at 6:45 AM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Also, Cruz's line about "not being a servile puppy dog" was probably a shot at Christie.
posted by dry white toast at 6:46 AM on July 21, 2016 [55 favorites]


I (UK) decided to give NPR a spin over the past couple of weeks due to my interest in the US election. I must say that it comes across very weird. Getting most of my US news via Mefi and 538 I guess I may have a liberal/reality bias but it has been really striking how their attempts at even handedness means they are unable to be forthright in addressing issues .

NPR has gotten a lot worse about the pseudo-balanced approach in the last few years. I have wondered it it was a response to some particularly intense criticisms of liberal bias, or an outcome of that huge donation they received a while back, but it is noticeable and offputting.

The funniest moment for me was the big headline in the NY Times yesterday calling it a "low energy" convention. The whole thing is such a shitshow that I am glad a few journalists are having some fun.
posted by Dip Flash at 6:46 AM on July 21, 2016 [6 favorites]


I am loving Ted Cruz right now, and that makes me crazy. I think history is going look upon him favorably for this, no matter who gets elected.

But he just humiliated every Republican pol who sucked it up to endorse Trump for the sake of the party. Remember that Trump is the nominee, in no small part, because losing with Trump was better than anything with Cruz.

Cruz will never be the Republican nominee for president.
posted by ennui.bz at 6:47 AM on July 21, 2016 [12 favorites]


The Circular Firing Squad: Not just for Democrats any more!
posted by soren_lorensen at 6:47 AM on July 21, 2016 [101 favorites]




I find Ted Cruz completely loathsome like so many others.

But he's a very solid debater. If he wasn't completely devoid of charisma I'd be more afraid of him than virtually any other Republicans but I strongly suspect that the Republican masses will turn on him.

What would be awesome is if he were to suddenly try to go 3rd party and completely fuck over the Donald.
posted by vuron at 6:48 AM on July 21, 2016 [10 favorites]


Last night Gingrich subtly threatened to criminalize dissent. They want to imprison their political opponent. They want deport people who don't pass purity tests. The Republicans are saying these things because they are confident they can get away with it. They are winning. Meanwhile, the news media is engaging is an embarrassing exercise in wishful thinking. Talking about how the convention is in chaos, focusing on pointless and petty criticisms of speeches by Melania Trump, obsession over a meaningless diss byTed Cruz. They are totally missing the boat - as usual.
posted by spudsilo at 6:48 AM on July 21, 2016 [32 favorites]


Cruz will never be the Republican nominee for president.

I can see it now.... 2316, hit musical on Broadway about some patriot history forgot whose generally unpopularity and personal failings kept him from the presidency. DUN DUNADUNDUN DUN DUN DUN.
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 6:50 AM on July 21, 2016 [18 favorites]


Cruz will never be the Republican nominee for president.

It's been said a million times before, but Trump got to the top by humiliating everyone in the GOP, and now they're all "yes master, your wish is my command, your grace". Cruz is already despised by his peers. But if he comes out of this in 2020 as the one-who-could've-won, they'll line up behind him just like they did behind Trump. Because they love power more than their own dignity.
posted by dis_integration at 6:50 AM on July 21, 2016 [46 favorites]


Amazing to see footage from the Cruz breakfast. It's hard to look away from this whole train wreck.
posted by knapah at 6:53 AM on July 21, 2016


I hereby award Ted Cruz the inaugural Kim Kardashian prize, given to the person who best understands that revenge is a dish best served cold, in a manner that both punishes those who hurt your family and benefits your professional endeavors. I'm in awe.
posted by sallybrown at 6:53 AM on July 21, 2016 [98 favorites]


I was wondering, if it came to a Gore/Bush 2000 scenario, would Ruth Bader Ginsburg have to recuse herself for showing prior bias?
If it ever comes to anything near that again, tell me you will join me rioting in the streets. One of the great miscarriages of justice. Think of that when you vote for President, Senator, Representative to Congress.
posted by theora55 at 6:53 AM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


Remember how Republicans said Obama was unfit to lead because of his arrogance and elitism?
posted by mccarty.tim at 6:54 AM on July 21, 2016 [24 favorites]


A politician actually SAYING "servile puppy dog" instead of it just being a line from an Onion story makes me think we really have switched to a new reality altogether
posted by yhbc at 6:54 AM on July 21, 2016 [14 favorites]


I was wondering, if it came to a Gore/Bush 2000 scenario, would Ruth Bader Ginsburg have to recuse herself for showing prior bias?

Judicial recusal is totally optional for Supremes. She can do what she wants. If they don't like it the congress can impeach her.
posted by dis_integration at 6:55 AM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


This is the best Coen brothers movie in years
posted by beerperson at 6:55 AM on July 21, 2016 [50 favorites]


But he just humiliated every Republican pol who sucked it up to endorse Trump for the sake of the party. Remember that Trump is the nominee, in no small part, because losing with Trump was better than anything with Cruz.

If the stampede to Trump demonstrates anything, it's that there is no limit to politicians' willingness to whore themselves when faced with the prospect of being on the wrong side of power.
posted by dry white toast at 6:56 AM on July 21, 2016 [18 favorites]


The Republicans are saying these things because they are confident they can get away with it. They are winning.

Confidence and desperation can look very similar if you're unaccustomed to seeing what genuine confidence looks like. Foaming at the mouth isn't confidence, no matter how assertive it might seem.
posted by rorgy at 6:56 AM on July 21, 2016 [19 favorites]


Meanwhile, the news media is engaging is an embarrassing exercise in wishful thinking. Talking about how the convention is in chaos, focusing on pointless and petty criticisms of speeches by Melania Trump, obsession over a meaningless diss byTed Cruz. They are totally missing the boat - as usual.

News media have been cowered into not ruffling Donny's feathers. They saw how he would ban reporters from his campaign simply for asking real questions. None of them want to risk being locked-out from the White House (or, perhaps every branch of government) should Trump win. They're playing nice.

If anything, though, the media is the last outpost of "this couldn't happen here" patriotic thought. The idea that the US could actually start down the path of proto-fascism is simply impossible for them. It's pretty self-delusional.
posted by Thorzdad at 6:57 AM on July 21, 2016 [6 favorites]


Cruz attacking Trump for badmouthing his wife is some weirdly romantic Even Evil Has Loved Ones shit. In the eventual film adaptation made of this campaign, whichever actor plays Cruz in all his sympathetic sliminess is going to sweep the Oscar for Best Supporting Actor.
posted by nicebookrack at 6:58 AM on July 21, 2016 [13 favorites]


Conveniently for the RNC, this year's Gathering of the Juggalos is also being held in Ohio and runs from today through the weekend


RIP Ass Dan.
posted by TheWhiteSkull at 6:58 AM on July 21, 2016 [26 favorites]




Cruz: "what does it say when you stand up & say vote your conscience ... & supporters of our nominee begin screaming...

Once again, Ted Cruz is a loathsome human being, but people could learn something about giving absolutely no fucks from the man.
posted by dry white toast at 7:00 AM on July 21, 2016 [66 favorites]


whichever actor plays Cruz

Haley Joel Osment
posted by beerperson at 7:01 AM on July 21, 2016 [20 favorites]


NPR is a disgrace.

I agree, but they did air one hilarious bit of reporting this morning (about the 1:40 mark) -- a delegate complained about Obama breaking promises, and Steve Inskeep basically said, "Name one?" and she couldn't.

(Her friend chimed in with "stop the war," as if the RNC didn't spend all Monday complaining about how feckless Obama is on defense.)
posted by Gelatin at 7:01 AM on July 21, 2016 [14 favorites]


I'll only say this once: Anyone who thinks this convention, or any recent news, is actually a sign that Trump or the GOP is strong and will win the presidency or seats in the Senate in November please Memail me to arrange a wager at very reasonable odds on their success. Minimum $100. Thank you.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 7:02 AM on July 21, 2016 [16 favorites]


leveraging the awesome power of his assholery in a righteous cause."

If Ted Cruz is still wondering what should be written on his tombstone, look no further.
posted by Fizz at 7:02 AM on July 21, 2016 [19 favorites]


"what does it say when you stand up & say vote your conscience ... & supporters of our nominee begin screaming..."

"I was just asking questions why are you sensitive"

Love it Ted. A+ trolling. Who's the channer now Donny?
posted by Potomac Avenue at 7:03 AM on July 21, 2016 [10 favorites]


Potomac Avenue: I'll only say this once: Anyone who thinks this convention, or any recent news, is actually a sign that Trump or the GOP is strong and will win the presidency or seats in the Senate in November please Memail me to arrange a wager at very reasonable odds on their success. Minimum $100. Thank you.

Didn't you say this literally six months ago? I'm positive this isn't the first time you've tried to fleece suckers on here over Trump.
posted by rorgy at 7:04 AM on July 21, 2016 [7 favorites]


I love informative talking in my ears while I'm driving so I am kind of stuck with NPR for my drivetime, but I will say that the NPR ONE app is awesome for all other times (running, working around the house, etc) because I can skip all the news and go straight to the investigative stories and the podcasts.
posted by soren_lorensen at 7:04 AM on July 21, 2016 [4 favorites]


I'll only say this once: Anyone who thinks this convention, or any recent news, is actually a sign that Trump or the GOP is strong and will win the presidency or seats in the Senate in November please Memail me to arrange a wager at very reasonable odds on their success. Minimum $100. Thank you.

And I'll only say this once. If you live in the US, it would be smart to take this offer up the way I considered betting on Brexit when the odds were good. If Trump loses then he lost so you win, and if he won you always have some money to make up for it.
posted by Francis at 7:05 AM on July 21, 2016 [11 favorites]


What would be awesome is if he were to suddenly try to go 3rd party and completely fuck over the Donald.

Though which party would have him? I can't imagine the Libertarians doing so, given that his religious authoritarian streak being visible from outer space. The Greens and Socialists are right out for obvious reasons. Is the Reform Party still a viable organisation?
posted by acb at 7:05 AM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


a delegate complained about Obama breaking promises, and Steve Inskeep basically said, "Name one?" and she couldn't

He's been doing this all week, and it's been hilarious:

"Muslims are making us unsafe!" Have you ever had a bad encounter with a Muslim? "Oh, no, never!"

"Immigrants are taking our jobs!" Do you know anyone that lost their job to an immigrant? "Nope!"

Absolutely no shred of self reflection in any of the people he's interviewed.
posted by backseatpilot at 7:06 AM on July 21, 2016 [89 favorites]


it would be smart to take this offer

Thanks I'll send you a cut.

(Stop getting the floor wet rory.)
posted by Potomac Avenue at 7:07 AM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


Daniel Dale has seen a lot in his lifetime. Before he became the Washington correspondent for the Toronto Star, he was the Toronto city hall correspondent, which meant he spent several years covering Rob Ford.
posted by tallmiddleagedgeek at 7:07 AM on July 21, 2016 [29 favorites]


I know I'm not supposed to call Trump supporters dumb, but I have literally never heard an interview with one of them that didn't make them sound gullible and crazy. I'm not sure what other conclusion I'm supposed to draw here.
posted by soren_lorensen at 7:09 AM on July 21, 2016 [18 favorites]


Anybody who said Trump couldn't win the nomination was ignoring the polls. Anybody who says Trump is totally gonna win the general is also ignoring the polls. Which is not to say he CAN'T win, but it is absolutely not an equivalent situation.
posted by showbiz_liz at 7:10 AM on July 21, 2016 [20 favorites]


Daniel Dale has seen a lot in his lifetime. Before he became the Washington correspondent for the Toronto Star, he was the Toronto city hall correspondent, which meant he spent several years covering Rob Ford.

Not just covering Ford; getting physically attacked by Ford while researching a piece of Conservation Authority land behind Ford's house that he was trying to buy, and then being accused of taking pictures of Ford's kids.

I don't think anyone was more prepared to cover Trump than Dale.
posted by dry white toast at 7:11 AM on July 21, 2016 [15 favorites]


It's Official: Hillary Clinton is Running Against Vladimir Putin

"This is a lukewarm opinion that dozens of hacks have already published, but maybe this one could be good ... 'by Jeffrey Goldberg.' Ah. Never mind."
posted by Rustic Etruscan at 7:12 AM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


Did anyone catch this interview with Falwell Jr on NPR this morning?

He actually said: "I've never seen any arrogance from Donald Trump".

He actually said that.


He also said that we're all sinners but he supports Trump because he's seen the way he treats people, and I was like uhhhhh you mean you like the way he uses vulgarity and insults to belittle everyone around him? Mkay.
posted by soren_lorensen at 7:12 AM on July 21, 2016 [7 favorites]


Cruz attacking Trump for badmouthing his wife is some weirdly romantic Even Evil Has Loved Ones stuff.

or he realized he fucked up and is trying to hide behind his wife, passing it off as wounded masculinity.

as I said previously, this is professional wrestling.
posted by ennui.bz at 7:14 AM on July 21, 2016 [4 favorites]


Is it too late to pass the hat and get G. E. Smith to play [In the Flesh, at Trump main speech entrance tonight]? Yes? No?

You know, he did play on The Wall Live tour a couple of years ago...
posted by thelonius at 7:17 AM on July 21, 2016 [5 favorites]


Ted Cruz is not a hero. He embarrassed a terrible person for wholly self-serving reasons.

Cheering for Cruz now would be like, I don't know, giving Sauron a pat on the back for disobeying Melkor.
posted by Tevin at 7:18 AM on July 21, 2016 [49 favorites]


I think it's interesting because Ryan and Cruz are playing opposite strategies to be in the running for 2020 and it'll be interesting to see which one pans out.
posted by zutalors! at 7:19 AM on July 21, 2016 [12 favorites]


I'm not cheering for Cruz, but I am thoroughly enjoying my popcorn.
posted by like_neon at 7:21 AM on July 21, 2016 [29 favorites]


Steve Inskeep basically said, "Name one?" and she couldn't.

(Her friend chimed in with "stop the war," as if the RNC didn't spend all Monday complaining about how feckless Obama is on defense.)


but it, uh, happens to be true. and he just upped the deployment in Afghanistan.

Steve Inskeep is a loathsome smarmy NPR toadie.
posted by ennui.bz at 7:21 AM on July 21, 2016 [6 favorites]


Cheering for Cruz now would be like, I don't know, giving Sauron a pat on the back for disobeying Melkor.

I think most people are cheering for the worst outcome for Trump, not cheering for Cruz. If an alien invasion happened in the middle of the Quicken Loans Arena and the aliens took Trump with them, I would be happy, but that doesn't mean I support alien invasions.
posted by tonycpsu at 7:23 AM on July 21, 2016 [45 favorites]


Well, it did take Wormtongue to finish Saruman

I'm ashamed of how easily Tolkien analogies are coming to me these days
posted by Countess Elena at 7:24 AM on July 21, 2016 [26 favorites]


Nate Silver: Donald Trump’s Convention Is Flirting With Disaster
So from a Conventions 101 standpoint, what happened in Cleveland on Wednesday night was a potential disaster for Trump and the Republicans. Cruz, the second-place finisher in the primaries, conspicuously refused to endorse Trump, and left the stage to a chorus of boos. An unusually large number of Republicans have also declined to endorse Trump, including Ohio Gov. John Kasich, who isn’t appearing at the convention even though his state is hosting it. But those defections might be forgotten about for a few days, provided that the party put on its best face in Cleveland. Cruz’s refusal to endorse Trump, however, which he seemed to draw out for emphasis to embarrass Trump, took place at center stage. It was bad from both a uniting-the-party standpoint and from a showcasing-the-ticket standpoint. It was among the most dramatic events that we’ve seen at a convention in recent years.
posted by Gelatin at 7:25 AM on July 21, 2016 [7 favorites]


Countess Elena, that's nothing to be ashamed of.
posted by The Gaffer at 7:25 AM on July 21, 2016 [5 favorites]


Cheering for Cruz now would be like, I don't know, giving Sauron a pat on the back for disobeying Melkor.

Or like congratulating Nafridius for his treatment of the Slorroths of Vandis IV, amirite?
posted by beerperson at 7:26 AM on July 21, 2016 [14 favorites]


But who is Tom Bombadil?
posted by beau jackson at 7:26 AM on July 21, 2016 [12 favorites]


Ted Cruz is not a hero. He embarrassed a terrible person for wholly self-serving reasons.

Cheering for Cruz now would be like, I don't know, giving Sauron a pat on the back for disobeying Melkor.


"Ted Cruz Anonymous is like the T-rex at the end of Jurassic Park: it's not heroic, and I wouldn't want it to ever notice me, but I cheered when it took down those fucking velociraptors."
posted by leotrotsky at 7:27 AM on July 21, 2016 [81 favorites]


Or like congratulating Nafridius for his treatment of the Slorroths of Vandis IV, amirite?

Major gaffe! It's actually Darth Nafridius
posted by Greg Nog at 7:28 AM on July 21, 2016 [4 favorites]


First Lady Michelle Obama Carpool Karaoke, if you need some time off from the Republicans.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 7:29 AM on July 21, 2016 [12 favorites]


Have they checked under the hall for barrels of glowing green stuff?
posted by Artw at 7:29 AM on July 21, 2016 [27 favorites]


Meanwhile, the news media is engaging is an embarrassing exercise in wishful thinking. Talking about how the convention is in chaos, focusing on pointless and petty criticisms of speeches by Melania Trump, obsession over a meaningless diss byTed Cruz. They are totally missing the boat - as usual.

I dunno, this is a message I'm pretty OK with. Tell the average American that a stadium is full of people cheering for poorly-coded fascism and they'll either disbelieve or figure out a different interpretation, because none of them know what fascism looks like outside of the context of mid-20th-century history and there aren't actual swastikas on the stage decorations. Show them that the guy who claims to be capable of running the country is having difficulty orchestrating a four-day pageant without major gaffes, and that's a message than might sink in. People understand spectacle better than they get political theory, and this spectacle is pretty confidence-eroding. A plagiarized speech by a loyalist, and a speech let through vetting which is openly seditious? That's incompetence, and there are plenty of people who find that less acceptable than intolerance. I kindof wish the "wrong Chris Cox" story got picked up a bit more, because it'd fit well into the same narrative.

I mean, to me, that's the real way Cruz slipped a knife in Trump's back. Not by letting people uncomfortable with Trump vote against him; they were probably going to do that anyways. No, the real triumph is that the Trump camp neither prevented his speech nor responded effectually to it.
posted by jackbishop at 7:29 AM on July 21, 2016 [30 favorites]


But who is Tom Bombadil?

Diamond Joe Biden, obviously.
posted by leotrotsky at 7:30 AM on July 21, 2016 [26 favorites]




HABERMAN: What do you think people will take away from this convention? What are you hoping?

TRUMP: From the convention? The fact that I’m very well liked.
Yes, but is he very well liked in Hartford?

("I'm very well liked in Hartford. You know, the trouble is, Linda, people don't seem to take to me.")
posted by octobersurprise at 7:30 AM on July 21, 2016 [4 favorites]


Did anyone catch this interview with Falwell Jr on NPR this morning?

He actually said: "I've never seen any arrogance from Donald Trump".

He actually said that.


I came in in the middle of that interview, and thought Inskeep had just cornered some rando at the convention and was making a fool of him. I was actually feeling sorry for the poor, deluded sap. But then I found out it was Jerry Falwell Jr., and was relieved—just a GOP flack who was staying on-message.
posted by BrashTech at 7:30 AM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


I know that many here enjoy watching Cruzerino getting a knock on Cheetoguy but I have also seen the words "respect" and "Cruz" together (not just here, mind) wayyyy too frequently.
posted by Tevin at 7:32 AM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]




Laura Ingraham has a Freudian slip then tries to disguise it as an awkward princess wave.

"Mein Führer! I-I-I m-mean Mr. President."
posted by leotrotsky at 7:35 AM on July 21, 2016 [15 favorites]


While you can interpret Cruz's comments about Trump dissing his wife as hiding behind Heidi, it also gives him an out for the disloyalty charge -- he can claim a higher loyalty, that is to his family. Whether it's true or not, he can certainly sell it that way.
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 7:35 AM on July 21, 2016 [8 favorites]


I don't agree with the idea that Cruz is shooting himself in the foot here by undermining his own party. Either Trump is going to lose (the more likely scenario), or he is going to be a very, very bad president. Given these facts, the only thing that I find surprising is just how few people have done what Cruz seems to be doing, because in 2019, whether Clinton or Trump is president, he can step in and say "hey, know how Trump was/is a flaming disaster? I'm the opposite of him, vote for me!" Seems like the obvious thing to do.
posted by showbiz_liz at 7:36 AM on July 21, 2016 [12 favorites]


I agree, he has nothing to lose. Trump already won the nomination and warmed up to the republican establishment and Cruz could use solidifying his image as anti-establishment.
posted by Tarumba at 7:38 AM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


Laura Ingraham has a Freudian slip then tries to disguise it as an awkward princess wave.

This, more than anything, deserves to be the definitive image from the GOP convention.
posted by tommasz at 7:38 AM on July 21, 2016 [23 favorites]


[A few comments deleted. Maybe let's lay off the derail about which LotT character Cruz is, and the metaderail about whether that's a stupid derail or whatever, and if you don't like these threads or you don't like Mefites, just go ahead and skip it.]
posted by LobsterMitten (staff) at 7:40 AM on July 21, 2016 [7 favorites]


So I heard snippets of Morning Joe* this morning and am now listening to the NPR politics podcast. Can confirm that both the right- and left-leaning sides of the establishment media are talking about Cruz and that this is a train wreck of a convention.

Also MEREDITH got a shout out on the podcast so that was good.

As mentioned upthread there is a danger that the false equivalency brigade will be doing their thing with any minor snafu at the DNC next week but I think the narrative of republican trashfire vs democratic competence is solidifying.

* I know I know. My husband likes it.
posted by tivalasvegas at 7:42 AM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]




“He (Richard III) was my crowned King, and if the Parliamentary authority of England set the crown upon a stock, I will fight for that stock: And as I fought then for him, I will fight for you, when you are established by the said authority.” Thomas Howard, 2nd Duke of Norfolk explaining before the future Henry VII his reasons for siding with Richard III at Bosworth, August 22, 1485. Quoted in William Camden Remains Concerning Britain (1605).

So I guess Cruz is no Duke of Norfolk. But Thomas Howard never had a choice between a piece of vegetation and Donald Trump.
posted by TrishaU at 7:43 AM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


The little clip of an interview with Cruz I just heard on NPR just now has him claiming that he literally told Trump he wasn't going to endorse on stage days ago. O_O
posted by R343L at 7:43 AM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]




I'd like to armchair-quarterback about Cruz being beyond electability, but out of the last four Republican candidates, three have been: a dim noodly frat-boy from generations of wealth, a stiff-as-hell automaton mormon, and a reality star who appears to have been pulled from a D&D Monster Manual. Only one of the last few candidates - a war-hero senator - is one that I actually would have thought woulda made it this far. So for all I know, maybe Cruz has a shot at 2020, maybe Ryan, maybe it'll be a literal piglet with the American flag tattooed on its side, I obviously have no idea what sells with this crowd.
posted by Greg Nog at 7:46 AM on July 21, 2016 [52 favorites]


Cruz Campaign Manager: Christie “Turned Over His Political Testicles Long Ago”

gross.
posted by tonycpsu at 7:46 AM on July 21, 2016 [14 favorites]


I don't think it'll really hurt Cruz, unless Trump somehow were to become the new Reagan. If Trump loses, or becomes president and does a terrible job, Cruz will be able to say he spoke out against him. Sort of like voting against the Iraq War is a feather in some Dem's caps.
posted by drezdn at 7:48 AM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


I thought you're supposed to turn them over now and then.
posted by ian1977 at 7:48 AM on July 21, 2016 [7 favorites]


he literally told Trump he wasn't going to endorse on stage days ago

And yet he was still allowed to speak. Utter idiocy and incompetence on the part of Team Trump.

brb buying Orville Redenbacher stocks
posted by tivalasvegas at 7:49 AM on July 21, 2016 [5 favorites]


BREAKING NEWS: Antibiotic Resistant Bacteria names Radiation Poisoning as running mate.
posted by y2karl at 7:52 AM on July 21, 2016 [15 favorites]


Cruz Campaign Manager: Christie “Turned Over His Political Testicles Long Ago”

gross.


But not wrong. Christie vitiated any pretense of principles with his Trump endorsement. His unhinged speech about incarcerating Hillary reinforced that. The words coming out of his mouth have basically no meaning now.
posted by leotrotsky at 7:52 AM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


Corb is very, very appreciative of the offer of an alcohol/burger/pizza/whatever fund, but she respectfully declines. If any MeFites want to buy her a round at the next meetup, though, she's all for it!

Personally, speaking only for myself here, I would love it if all you guys who said you would donate to a corb fund would take the money you were going to put there and put it to the Clinton campaign. Or volunteer some time to the Clinton campaign. I donated last night in corb's name (in my head, you can't actually give in someone's name as far as I know) because not only am I a die-hard Hillary supporter, corb has promised to volunteer her time to the campaign because of what she experienced at the convention. I think giving money and/or time to the Clinton campaign is very much in the spirit of honoring corb's contributions and tribulations.
posted by cooker girl at 7:53 AM on July 21, 2016 [136 favorites]


corb Meetup tour 2017.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 7:53 AM on July 21, 2016 [56 favorites]


Is trying to kiss the homophobe VP some kind of weird power play?
posted by Artw at 7:54 AM on July 21, 2016 [4 favorites]


Liberals a week ago: Hey Ted ... Zodiac Killer much?

Liberals today: Finally, a man of principle stands up to the orange dumpster fire,
posted by Rustic Etruscan at 7:55 AM on July 21, 2016 [26 favorites]


Cruz Campaign Manager: Christie “Turned Over His Political Testicles Long Ago”

gross.

But not wrong. Christie vitiated any pretense of principles with his Trump endorsement. His unhinged speech about incarcerating Hillary reinforced that. The words coming out of his mouth have basically no meaning now.


Then say something like "Christie Turned Over his Political Principles Long Ago." No 'cuckservative' emasculation-panic dogwhistling required!
posted by Existential Dread at 7:56 AM on July 21, 2016 [43 favorites]


Is trying to kiss the homophobe VP some kind of weird power play?

Oh my god Pence is doing the same move as my cats when i try to kiss em on the cheek
posted by Greg Nog at 7:56 AM on July 21, 2016 [50 favorites]


As mentioned upthread there is a danger that the false equivalency brigade will be doing their thing with any minor snafu at the DNC next week but I think the narrative of republican trashfire vs democratic competence is solidifying.

It's honestly hard to imagine anything which will be serious grist for the scandal mill at the DNC. There'll probably be a minor BoB insurgency, from among the sort who have decided that Bernie's endorsement is a piece of 10-dimensional FDR-emulating moon-law chess, but it seems like Bernie's rank-and file have actually come around what with their chosen candidate actually endorsing. The Clinton campaign can probaby rustle up actual stars to speak instead of the C- and D-list celebrities who have infested the RNC lineup. Clinton has a fiercely competent campaign team, so I find it hard to imagine the kind of logistical fuck-ups (bad timing on events, the plagiarism thing, counter-programming themselves) that the RNC has had either.

Which is not to say that the mainstream media won't try, but I have high hopes for the DNC. I just hope they stay on a good message. "We're better than this" is a theme they've tried out, and I like it a lot: it's both positive and a direct counter to the Republican messages.
posted by jackbishop at 7:56 AM on July 21, 2016 [5 favorites]


Is trying to kiss the homophobe VP some kind of weird power play?


This is Trump. Everything is a weird power play.
posted by TheWhiteSkull at 7:57 AM on July 21, 2016 [23 favorites]


Liberals today: Finally, a man of principle stands up to the orange dumpster fire

Kindly point out where any liberal is calling Cruz "a man of principle." When a bad person does a good thing for bad reasons, a good thing has still been done.
posted by tonycpsu at 7:58 AM on July 21, 2016 [11 favorites]




I worry that the media will make a big deal about the speech of alleged shoe design thief Ivanka Trump, without talking about her history of shady business dealings and flammable scarves made in China.

I really don't get why the vulgar talking yam's oldest three children have gotten such a pass, when they are intimately involved in his fascist campaign. Seems like they are all as crooked as disgusting old dad.
posted by Excommunicated Cardinal at 7:58 AM on July 21, 2016 [12 favorites]


So for all I know, maybe Cruz has a shot at 2020, maybe Ryan, maybe it'll be a literal piglet with the American flag tattooed on its side, I obviously have no idea what sells with this crowd.

The Republican party is now all about dominance politics. Cruz is now the only viable candidate in the race this cycle to not back down to Trump when challenged. Everyone else bent the knee.
posted by leotrotsky at 7:58 AM on July 21, 2016 [6 favorites]


Liberals today: Finally, a man of principle stands up to the orange dumpster fire,

Ted Cruz has always been a man of strong convictions. Insane, authoritarian, fanatical, evil convictions, but strong nevertheless. While Trump is the champion of the dogwhistling opportunists who see the GOP as the biggest, easiest grifting target in the world, Cruz is the champion of the people who really truly deeply believe in the dogwhistles, and hate Trump for co-opting their beliefs for profit and personal aggrandizement. It makes total sense that he'd be the one to openly tell Trump to fuck right off.
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 7:59 AM on July 21, 2016 [25 favorites]


Oh my god Pence is doing the same move as my cats when i try to kiss em on the cheek

You can love your pet....
posted by zarq at 7:59 AM on July 21, 2016


I know I'm not supposed to call Trump supporters dumb, but I have literally never heard an interview with one of them that didn't make them sound gullible and crazy. I'm not sure what other conclusion I'm supposed to draw here.

It's a difficult emotion to deal with. I don't think of my dad as dumb, but he's 100% bought into the Fox News narrative that Obama has weakened our nation. I've literally heard him say "Obama has brought this country to its knees."

I can't even discuss politics with him because he just repeats Fox News talking points or quotes Teddy Roosevelt SPEAK SOFTLY CARRY BIG STICK HURR DURR.

My dad was in the Army National Guard and spent time in the first Gulf War in Kuwait. There's a lot of macho posturing and belief in a strong military and NRA magazines swirling around in his mind.

All of this has gone so far beyond reasonable that I can't even.
posted by Fleebnork at 8:00 AM on July 21, 2016 [21 favorites]


Kindly point out where any liberal is calling Cruz "a man of principle." When a bad person does a good thing for bad reasons, a good thing has still been done.

The man is a monstrous, ambitious theocrat who wants a special secret police division for Dearborn, Michigan. He's no better than Trump and will get no compliments from me.
posted by Rustic Etruscan at 8:00 AM on July 21, 2016 [13 favorites]


Hey Greg and corb, is that podcast still on the table, cause I'd donate money to THAT for sure
posted by showbiz_liz at 8:01 AM on July 21, 2016 [10 favorites]


Is there any way for the podcast to have puppets
posted by beerperson at 8:02 AM on July 21, 2016 [21 favorites]


He's no better than Trump and will get no compliments from me.

Nobody's asking anyone to complement him, but I don't see the need for wildly inaccurate summaries of what unnamed "liberals" are saying about him.
posted by tonycpsu at 8:04 AM on July 21, 2016 [9 favorites]


While you can interpret Cruz's comments about Trump dissing his wife as hiding behind Heidi, it also gives him an out for the disloyalty charge -- he can claim a higher loyalty, that is to his family. Whether it's true or not, he can certainly sell it that way.

I dunno, call me a reactionary but I'm willing to believe that Ted Cruz loves his wife and father. And I'll admit it, I enjoyed his performance at that shirtsleeves press conference afterwards. It was like watching that one dude from the game store who always wears a waistcoat LARP a homebrew House of Cards system. Doesn't mean I want to elect that guy and his pocketwatch mayor.
posted by No-sword at 8:05 AM on July 21, 2016 [12 favorites]


Is trying to kiss the homophobe VP some kind of weird power play?

Trump looks like a John K. cartoon character making kissy faces.
posted by backseatpilot at 8:05 AM on July 21, 2016 [5 favorites]


Kindly point out where any liberal is calling Cruz "a man of principle." When a bad person does a good thing for bad reasons, a good thing has still been done.

The guy is a monstrous, ambitious theocrat who wants a special secret police division for Dearborn, Michigan.


someone can be a man of principle even if every single one of their principles is abhorrent to you
posted by murphy slaw at 8:06 AM on July 21, 2016 [43 favorites]


Me too. My monthly donations to Hillary have been up and running for ages and I've got my merch and I'm keeping my ear to the ground for something I can do for the local campaign office that doesn't require me to be anything approaching an extrovert, so I'm already well covered on the "directing my energies toward her campaign" front. But I'd still like to throw some cash at that podcast.

In other news, catching up on overnight Twitter and Metafilter on my morning commute has been a wild ride these past few days thanks to the RNC dumpster fire. Thanks for keeping the bus ride lively, y'all.
posted by Stacey at 8:06 AM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


Why Men Want to Marry Melanias and Raise Ivankas (NYT)
Men have often given their female offspring more opportunities than their female partners, perhaps seeing their children as extensions of themselves. Even today, many men find themselves newly appalled at sexism after having a girl, a reaction apparently not stoked by being born of a woman, married to a woman or simply seeing women as human. In our reluctantly feminist America, one question this election poses is whether we’ve evolved enough to value women as individuals instead of assessing them relationally, as an attractive wife supporting her husband or as a high-achieving daughter reflecting a flattering light back on her parents.

It’s a question Mr. Trump has addressed in his personal life. His answer isn’t very pretty.
posted by Salieri at 8:07 AM on July 21, 2016 [21 favorites]


Fleebnork, I feel ya.
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 8:07 AM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Trump looks like a John K. cartoon character making kissy faces.

i blame this on you
posted by Foci for Analysis at 8:07 AM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


I don't like Cruz any more than I have all along, but recent months have made me think that Trump would actually be a much worse president than Cruz, which I never would have thought possible.
posted by showbiz_liz at 8:08 AM on July 21, 2016 [9 favorites]


Cruz Campaign Manager: Christie “Turned Over His Political Testicles Long Ago”

I think that counts as not-quite-CanCon, via a medieval bestiary.
The beaver is hunted for its testicles, which are valued for making medicine. When the beaver sees that it cannot escape from the hunter, it bites off its testicles and throws them to the hunter, who then stops pursuing the beaver. If another hunter chases the beaver, it shows the hunter that it has already lost its testicles and so is spared.
posted by maudlin at 8:09 AM on July 21, 2016 [6 favorites]


All in favour of sending beer to corb....but cant help but note how much it feels like we're in the districts sending a gift to help a renegade tribute.
posted by chapps at 8:09 AM on July 21, 2016 [58 favorites]


I saw the clip twice this morning where Christie is all upset that Cruz didn't adhere to the pledge to support the nominee. Giveth unto me a break. Does anyone actually believe the megalomaniacal Trump would've kept it if he'd lost to Cruz?
posted by dnash at 8:10 AM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


I'm glad a terrible person did a thing to another terrible person, I'm not seeing the ethical paradox there
posted by penduluum at 8:11 AM on July 21, 2016 [29 favorites]


Is trying to kiss the homophobe VP some kind of weird power play?

It's only gay if you're the passive partner (the “bitch”).

See also: the T-penetrating-the-P-from-above logo.
posted by acb at 8:12 AM on July 21, 2016 [5 favorites]


Liberals a week ago: Hey Ted ... Zodiac Killer much? Liberals today: Finally, a man of principle stands up to the orange dumpster fire

Not only do I think you're being unfair to liberals here, I think you're being a little hard on Hannibal Lecter.
posted by octobersurprise at 8:13 AM on July 21, 2016 [13 favorites]


A couple of things on the Corb-love pile-on.

Corb, I hope you make a big deal of the fact that you're a Republican Convention Delegate now volunteering for the Clinton campaign. It really drives home just how horrible and dangerous Trump is and how important putting partisanship aside is in making sure that he doesn't win.

Secondly, it continues to be my hope that the end result of all this insanity is that Trump loses and then the Republican party collapses and a new conservative party forms where people like Corb are about the most conservative members. Anyone more conservative than that just gets told, "Hush now, grown-ups are talking."

It's a long shot but when I see things like Cruz's speech, it makes me think the target moved just a bit closer.
posted by VTX at 8:15 AM on July 21, 2016 [47 favorites]


I guess I went over to the Dark Side years ago, because I do not give a shit at all about the morality of me enjoying this spectacle of Cruz's attack, enjoying it like that viral video dog inhaling a soft-serve ice cream cone.
posted by thelonius at 8:15 AM on July 21, 2016 [16 favorites]


Why Men Want to Marry Melanias and Raise Ivankas (NYT)

This is an excellent essay.

One thing that's not addressed is that Trump seems to also think that one measurement of whether his daughters are successful is whether he would personally find them attractive, date them or worse. It's part of his misogyny, and shouldn't be ignored.

The qualities Mr. Trump seeks in his romantic partners are remarkably retro

Boasting about wanting to molest his daughter if she weren't one of his kids? Biblically retro.
posted by zarq at 8:16 AM on July 21, 2016 [40 favorites]


NPR is a disgrace.
posted by odinsdream at 8:51 AM on July 21 [18 favorites +] [!]


If you are a contributor to a member station, or even if you're not, TELL THEM you think so.
posted by aught at 8:18 AM on July 21, 2016 [8 favorites]


Pretty much knowing who the official Presidential candidates are has reminded me to get my absentee ballot. But did Georgia just make it a lot harder for me to vote that way since I no longer have a US license?
posted by Kitteh at 8:18 AM on July 21, 2016


I would like to offer zarq's post of Michelle Obama, James Corden, and Missy Elliott singing in a car as a palate cleanser for those of us who might need it this morning. Don't miss it.
posted by dismas at 8:19 AM on July 21, 2016 [6 favorites]


I really don't get why the vulgar talking yam's oldest three children have gotten such a pass

It taps into the failures of the institutional media: they're used to applying the template that 'candidates' kids didn't ask for this, are loyal to family, and therefore get a softer ride'. Clearly the Trumpkin are more intimately involved with Daddy's dodgy businesses than anyone who doesn't share his DNA, are competing for the best stake in the Trump Organisation's bid to create Trump USA, and planning their own political prospects.

It was mildly amusing to watch the Murdoch spawn re-enact King Lear; this isn't funny at all.
posted by holgate at 8:19 AM on July 21, 2016 [9 favorites]


The lack of violence at the RNC is a good thing because you know the Trumpsters would have blamed it all on BLM or Clinton even if it were all Nazis waving TP banners bashing heads, and most of the 'liberal press' would let them. When the announcements of the lackluster speakers list (and the cancellation of many of the bigger names) came out, then the first day was semi-disastrous, I started considering the possibility that this could be the first Convention ever with a 'negative poll bounce'. But then I saw how the Media was reporting it to everyone who was watching something else on TV and realized that the Media NEEDS Trump too much to let it happen. But yesterday, the mask slipped too far to be conveniently ignored, even by MSNBC (a division of Comcast) and NPR (sponsored by Koch). It's all up to Demented Donald to make this right, which he is emotionally incapable of without five hours of time in the editing room by the Apprentice producers (and, you know, this is live). If corb and her friends do a visible walkout during the Drumpfspeech, he'll turn a shade of red we've never seen before and go from Nuremberg Rally Adolph to Downfall Meme Adolph in front of America. It's going to be painfully hard on any 'soft' Trump supporters and the 'Never Hillary' gang... and I hereby fearlessly (but with some loathing) predict an unprecedented 'negative poll bounce' that, by the time the DNC is over, will establish "Trump the Loser" as a solid meme among every Media entity that doesn't NEED a 'political horse race' for ratings or clickbait. But watch out for a Third Party/Gary Johnson > Perot narrative... I have long felt that Trump has no 'real' support among any but the 47% of Republican primary voters who supported him but a lot of soft support from anyone brainwashed by the GOP's 25 years campaign against Hillary. A lot of them are looking for an 'out' and Johnson looks like it. Of course, in the Electoral College, a split of conservative votes might make a few Red States artificially Blue...

Liberals a week ago: Hey Ted ... Zodiac Killer much?
Liberals today: Finally, a man of principle stands up to the orange dumpster fire,

Even "the Good Guys" need to play the game, and the game in politics include enough Spin to cause dizziness. The enemy of my enemy is a helpful short-term ally. Of course, Cruz may be over-optimistic at how much of the Republican Party remains for him after Deranged Donald's mix of incompetence before and vindictiveness after the defeat burns it to the ground.

Why Men Want to Marry Melanias and Raise Ivankas (NYT)

Subtitle: Why Trump is the embodiment of everything wrong with most Straight White Males. (I consider myself a "recovering SWM")
posted by oneswellfoop at 8:23 AM on July 21, 2016 [7 favorites]


I am angry at Trump for many reasons, but making me be on the same side as Cruz, even for a second, is definitely high up on the list.

I am not as sanguine as some of you about the Dem convention coverage, not because of any incompetence on display but because the Republicans will just make shit up about whatever the speakers do/don't do and the media won't call them on it/ignore them as they should.
posted by emjaybee at 8:23 AM on July 21, 2016 [9 favorites]


Whatever this has done for Cruz' future political career, it has almost certainly cranked up the interest in tonight's big acceptance speech.
posted by notyou at 8:23 AM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]




Liberals a week ago: Hey Ted ... Zodiac Killer much?

The nugget is straight from /r/The_Donald.
posted by cmfletcher at 8:24 AM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


I think that Cruz told Trump he'd never endorse him, but Trump convinced himself that since Lyin' Ted always lies, he would endorse because he was lying about not doing so.

The fact that Cruz was not wearing his shoes on his hands and gloves on his feet should have been a red flag to the Trump campaign.
posted by robocop is bleeding at 8:27 AM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


If it's a narrow loss for Trump, Republicans are going to look for scapegoats -- they'll blame the media and "voter fraud" and probably George Soros and Saul Alinsky -- but they'll also blame Cruz. So I don't see how this helps him. I think the next GOP nominee will be either Tom Cotton or Donald Trump Jr.

The question is, of course, which Republicans. Because from here in July 2016 it's clear that what the establishment thinks is about as relevant as a cow's opinion. The scariest thing about Cruz standing up and lashing out at Trump is that it might indicate he learned a few things about being appealing to the base.

Or maybe he'll have learned that being a republican running for president is a sucker's game now and stick with the Senate where he has real pull.

I find it entirely believable, by the way, that Cruz provided his speech and the Trump campaign half-assed looking at it just like they half-ass everything else. And just like every other incompetent slacker jerk boss, the lesson they'll take from this isn't that they should grow up and do the work; it's that they can't trust people and they'll get even more abusive, mistrustful, and nasty to people they need to be on their side.
posted by phearlez at 8:27 AM on July 21, 2016 [4 favorites]


@realdonalddrumpf "if the Dems win the Presidency, the new JUSTICES appointed will destroy us all!"
#overlyoptimistic
posted by oneswellfoop at 8:29 AM on July 21, 2016


Arghhh guys stop posting so fast and furious! I have a compulsion to read through every last comment on these threads before I can do any work, and yesterday that meant not doing any work at all! I can't keep up like this...

Just kidding never stop
posted by aka burlap at 8:31 AM on July 21, 2016 [47 favorites]


holgate: It taps into the failures of the institutional media: they're used to applying the template that 'candidates' kids didn't ask for this, are loyal to family, and therefore get a softer ride'. Clearly the Trumpkin are more intimately involved with Daddy's dodgy businesses than anyone who doesn't share his DNA, are competing for the best stake in the Trump Organisation's bid to create Trump USA, and planning their own political prospects.

This massive media failure really gets my goat because the eldest Trump children's complicity and involvement in the shady business dealings and fascist orgy are all there for everyone to see! It'd be unfair to go after the youngest one who is a minor, but it is also unfair to the citizens of this country that the media refuse to investigate the eldest ones and hold them accountable for their actions.
posted by Excommunicated Cardinal at 8:34 AM on July 21, 2016 [6 favorites]


I can't speak for people (liberals or whatever) who are being openly facile about Cruz, but I think a lot of us who've had to live in conservative climates understand that - probably on accident - he's given out food for thought to those who really don't want to vote for Trump, cannot possibly say it out loud, but will be alone in the voting booth.

Like, I don't know if it will tip off a conservative groundswell of people saying anything out loud, but I think it might set off a quiet subterranean hollowing of support from some quarters. Like a virus.

Ted Cruz might be the virus that sends you to the doctor so they catch the cancer early, is what I'm saying.
posted by Lyn Never at 8:34 AM on July 21, 2016 [56 favorites]


It's honestly hard to imagine anything which will be serious grist for the scandal mill at the DNC.

Have Kanye run the house band, interrupt speakers with zingers against Taylor Swift
posted by thelonius at 8:36 AM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


Ted Cruz might be the virus that sends you to the doctor so they catch the cancer early, is what I'm saying.

YES THIS
posted by cooker girl at 8:36 AM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


Maybe now Sansa will love him.

totes called it
posted by leotrotsky at 8:39 AM on July 21, 2016 [8 favorites]


I'm trying to figure out a pattern here, and I think there might be one. Trump is more than just trolling

Kiss the homophobe (Pence)
Show the fundamentalist Christian as a Judas (Cruz)
Make the lap dog grovel (Christie)

Not sure about the rest, but it's like a revenge fantasy.
posted by yesster at 8:39 AM on July 21, 2016 [4 favorites]


Is there a way I can donate to Hillary as a Canadian?
If not, I'll paypal a friend and have them do it.
posted by Theta States at 8:40 AM on July 21, 2016


Theta States : You can't. It violates election laws. And having someone do it on your behalf would also AFAIK.
posted by dismas at 8:41 AM on July 21, 2016 [21 favorites]


Theta, dismas is right and that would be illegal. "The Federal Election Campaign Act (FECA) prohibits any foreign national from contributing, donating or spending funds in connection with any federal, state, or local election in the United States, either directly or indirectly. It is also unlawful to help foreign nationals violate that ban or to solicit, receive or accept contributions or donations from them. Persons who knowingly and willfully engage in these activities may be subject to fines and/or imprisonment."
posted by Apoch at 8:42 AM on July 21, 2016 [8 favorites]


OK, I will just buy my friend some drinks in the hopes that frees up their cashflow. Gotcha.
posted by Theta States at 8:44 AM on July 21, 2016 [11 favorites]


just how few people have done what Cruz seems to be doing

What Cruz is probably doing, in the eyes of the political establishment, is showing that he continues to be willing to be a dick to anyone if he thinks it'll make him look clever. As it's the same kind of behavior that's made him loathed in the past, I don't think that's going to make him really any better-liked by them in the long run.

A principled stand would be not going to the convention. A principled stand would be going and actually telling people to vote for someone else. This? This was just more rules-lawyering, and nobody likes a rules lawyer. Especially not DMs.
posted by praemunire at 8:44 AM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Shorter Daniel Dale, as I imagine it: "Take the Washington bureau job, they said. Put the insanity of covering Rob Ford behind you, they said."
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 8:45 AM on July 21, 2016 [42 favorites]


Mike Pence - Remembering that name will win you a pub trivia night in 2042.
posted by Keith Talent at 8:45 AM on July 21, 2016 [25 favorites]


Not sure about the rest, but it's like a revenge fantasy.

It's like a lesser Saw sequel.
posted by beerperson at 8:46 AM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


Persons who knowingly and willfully engage in these activities may be subject to fines and/or imprisonment.
...and just look how quickly and forcefully the FEC is acting on Trump's very public solicitation of funds from foreigners.
posted by oneswellfoop at 8:47 AM on July 21, 2016 [15 favorites]


If not, I'll paypal a friend and have them do it.

OK, I will just buy my friend some drinks in the hopes that frees up their cashflow. Gotcha.


Don't do this. Please don't do this. Don't wink wink, nudge nudge this.
posted by Talez at 8:48 AM on July 21, 2016 [33 favorites]


beerperson: Is there any way for the podcast to have puppets

Please, no. Why does everything have to have goddamned puppets these days? [disclaimer: I have a phobia. And also several friends who are puppeteers.]
posted by Superplin at 8:51 AM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


The FEC will not go after Trump no matter how blatantly he breaks the law because it would be a "partisan witch-hunt" to prosecute public, willful violations by the Republicans while ignoring the Democrats' equally blatant violations on the fig-leaf of an excuse that they never happened and all evidence that they did is in Laura Ingraham's head.

You, however, are little people. Little people they will step on.
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 8:51 AM on July 21, 2016 [12 favorites]


There are many nonprofits in the US that will be happy to take your money and put it into a pot that is not for this election but rather for continuing to fight against theocracy and fascism in the US for the long term.
posted by soren_lorensen at 8:53 AM on July 21, 2016 [33 favorites]


Will the Cruz Non-Endorsement Really Change Any Votes in November?

What a candidate wants from a convention is simple: unity and cheer-leading, perhaps the opportunity to have a few barn burner speeches that get picked-up by the media and go viral, making free ads. They should come out with a good bump in the polls, their own faithful fully on side and fired up, a few undecideds getting interested: momentum.

What Trump has got so far is the opposite: it's messy, complicated and full of messages he has to fight against. There's no one particular blow here that's likely critical, even Cruz being Cruz, but this means that the full benefit of a potential bounce, which he badly needs, is lost.

Trump may be able to mitigate some of this lost opportunity with a really good speech, but so far we've had a look in his house and it's full of squalor and nasty family infighting. The message is that this is what a Trump government will be like. Not the best ad to have splashed all over everywhere. This is the first time I can recall that a convention might be a net negative for a party.
posted by bonehead at 8:53 AM on July 21, 2016 [7 favorites]


It'd be unfair to go after the youngest one who is a minor

Or Tiffany, who by all accounts only sees her father a few days a year. Yes, she has a rich-kids-of-Instagram lifestyle (at least, she has a rich-kids-of-Instagram Instagram) but there's a certain hope-beyond-hope that projects from children with a parent who treats them as a reminder of time they want to forget, and that's what I saw in her.
posted by holgate at 8:53 AM on July 21, 2016 [9 favorites]


I think you guys are listening to a different NPR than I am.
posted by biogeo at 8:55 AM on July 21, 2016 [5 favorites]


Sorry, I forgot that Donald J. Trump has never had to comply with the laws that the rest of us do. If he did, he'd be sharing a cell with Bernie Madoff.
posted by oneswellfoop at 8:55 AM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]




In about 12 hours Trump will be fully eligible for those classified briefings.

[continues drinking heavily]
posted by entropicamericana at 8:57 AM on July 21, 2016 [38 favorites]


Had a dream last night that Ivanka gave a rousing speech like "Some people say my father is a corrupt, self-serving, vicious man." (booooooo) "Others say he's weak, deluded, and incompetent." (boooooo) "They're all right. Sorry dad."

and then i had to wake up.
posted by you're a kitty! at 8:58 AM on July 21, 2016 [8 favorites]


What Trump has go so far is the opposite: it's messy, complicated and full of messages he has to fight against. There's no one particular blow here that's likely critical, even Cruz being Cruz, but this means that the full benefit of a potential bounce, which he badly needs, is lost.

This argument has merit, but the impact of convention bounces has shrunk significantly in recent years:
Prior to the 2000 election, convention bumps averaged more than six points, but that has fallen to just over two points from 2000 to 2012. [...] What is probably most important here is holding the conventions on consecutive weeks, which means that the convention messages end up overlapping and may cancel out each other. Another potential explanation lies in the increased polarization of the electorate. It is possible that partisans are so much more committed to their candidates now than they were before and there is a much smaller persuadable electorate that can be influenced by events like the nominating conventions.
I'm obviously for anything that chips away at Trump's support, even by a percentage point or two, but I do think the impact of this is being oversold a bit.
posted by tonycpsu at 8:59 AM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Right, so there's a whole week that Trump will receive information that Hillary Clinton doesn't have? Can President Obama just like, leak those briefings to her, or something?
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 9:00 AM on July 21, 2016


In about 12 hours Trump will be fully eligible for those classified briefings.

Can't wait for him to start blurting out classified material on Twitter that makes Clinton's indiscretions look like a clerical error. The Valerie Plames of the world should be worried right about now.
posted by fifthrider at 9:01 AM on July 21, 2016 [12 favorites]


In about 12 hours Trump will be fully eligible for those classified briefings.

Is there anything that says they have to give them to him? Maybe if they give him some blank looseleaf and say it's written in invisible ink that will buy us a few hours
posted by beerperson at 9:02 AM on July 21, 2016 [13 favorites]


If they want to sandbag him, they should just give him the briefings in dull, written form.
posted by The Gaffer at 9:02 AM on July 21, 2016 [39 favorites]


I can't imagine that Clinton doesn't have the connections to get whatever info she wants. The security briefings that Donald will get are probably totally basic compared to the in depth info she has access too I'm guessing.
posted by ian1977 at 9:02 AM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Fleebnork's Dad: "Obama has brought this country to its knees."

I would see this as a good thing since it was on its face when he took over...
posted by jim in austin at 9:04 AM on July 21, 2016 [61 favorites]


I'm fairly certain ex-presidents get them, for example.
posted by waitingtoderail at 9:04 AM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


Patheos' Libby Anne latest post Magical Wishful Thinking on the Family, 2016 Republican Party Platform Edition

Some choice quotes:
So first of all, I was right—this is about marriage. It’s not about strong family bonds at all. It’s about marriage. It’s not about fostering loving, caring relationships. Nope. It’s about getting people to sign a piece of paper. This should be obvious, but a piece of paper isn’t going to make kids any better off. And that’s the claim, isn’t it? If only kids’ parents all got married, child poverty would end! No wait. It wouldn’t. It turns out that the marriage rate and the child poverty rate don’t correlate—at all.

Anyone who has studied history at all knows that child poverty was significantly higher in the past, when marriage rates were far higher, than it is today. Do you know what tends to guard against poverty? Education and access to resources. Marriage doesn’t make poor people suddenly financially sound. [...]

Just as forcing couples to marry would not magically create money that does not already exist, even so forcing couples to marry would not magically create loving and stable family environments where they do not already exist. [...]

Marriage does not make poor couples middle class. Marriage does not impart education on people ill-prepared for today’s job market. Marriage does not create stable, loving relationships where they do not already exist. And if conservatives are so damn worried about marriage, they should be asking why people aren’t getting married. Because—frankly—that’s what social scientists actually do. Republicans, though? Republicans engage in magical wishful thinking. Apparently. And you know what? Magical wishful thinking is a terrible thing to base policy on.

Highly recommended reading that dismantles the Party of Trump's platform planks about family and marriage.
posted by Excommunicated Cardinal at 9:05 AM on July 21, 2016 [17 favorites]


In about 12 hours Trump will be fully eligible for those classified briefings.

"I can't reveal what they said, but believe me, it's worse than you can imagine. And it's all Obama's and Crooked Hillary's fault!" - @realDonaldTrump, regardless of what's in them or if he even pays attention
posted by theodolite at 9:06 AM on July 21, 2016 [27 favorites]




Mike Pence - Remembering that name will win you a pub trivia night in 2042.

I think you mistakenly transposed those last two numbers.
posted by worldswalker at 9:08 AM on July 21, 2016 [12 favorites]


Right, so there's a whole week that Trump will receive information that Hillary Clinton doesn't have? Can President Obama just like, leak those briefings to her, or something?

Shit, he'll probably just palm them off on Pence and go back to making up whatever he feels like. After all, this is a guy who offered to let a VP candidate handle "foreign and domestic policy."
posted by Existential Dread at 9:08 AM on July 21, 2016 [5 favorites]


If, after getting the briefings, we see a subdued and bewildered trump then we know that aliens are real and there is an imminent invasion.
posted by ian1977 at 9:09 AM on July 21, 2016 [11 favorites]


What Trump has go so far is the opposite: it's messy, complicated and full of messages he has to fight against. There's no one particular blow here that's likely critical, even Cruz being Cruz, but this means that the full benefit of a potential bounce, which he badly needs, is lost.

Trump may be able to mitigate some of this lost opportunity with a really good speech, but so far we've had a look in his house and it's full of squalor and nasty family infighting. Not the best ad to have splashed all over everywhere. This is the first time I can recall that a convention might be a net negative for a party.


I hope you're right with all my heart.

But I'm worried because, if there's one thing the phenomenon of Rob Ford taught us, if nothing else, it's that it's entirely possible for someone running a shitshow to defy conventional political wisdom and still come out on top.

The power of emotionally potent oversimplifications (Rob Ford: "Respect for Taxpayers!" "End the war on the car!" "Stop the gravy train!" Trump: "Make America great again!" "Lock her up!") should never be underestimated. It's not about facts - it's about what people feel, even if they're basing those feelings on outright lies.

Gingrich's speech last night? It was about making people feel afraid. And that's all that matters.

Economic stats that show a significant recovery since 2008? Don't matter. People feel like things are in the shitter (and for a variety of reasons, they could be right about that, but maybe not for the reasons the GOP would have them believe).

And once Trump gets hold of those classified briefings, all bets are off, even if he doesn't even read them. It's entirely possible we'll see something like this:

"Did you know what I found out yesterday? Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton have put American's in danger by [insert thing here]!!!!"

The facts don't matter in this universe - feelings do. That's why I'm worried that he's going to win.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 9:09 AM on July 21, 2016 [33 favorites]


And Marriage is a contract between a Man (the Boss) and a Woman (the Employee), right?
posted by oneswellfoop at 9:09 AM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


You leave Springsteen out of this
posted by beerperson at 9:11 AM on July 21, 2016 [20 favorites]


Oh yay Trump is tweeting about Cruz some more.
Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump 1 hour ago
Other than a small group of people who have suffered massive and embarrassing losses, the party is VERY united. Great love in the arena!

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump 2 hours ago
Ted Cruz talks about the Constitution but doesn't say that if the Dems win the Presidency, the new JUSTICES appointed will destroy us all!
posted by rorgy at 9:13 AM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


Clearly the RNC has decided to let Trump have his run but without any real RNC support. The total amateur hour quality of the convention is proof of this, and it might actually have a bit of "surely this". The man is bringing on nakedly opportunistic con artists, the CEO's of pyramid schemes, has been actors, and literally every single Republican Senator who is facing serious challenge in their reelection campaign this year has chosen to stay home.

My guess is that the Republican elites are hoping that by letting Trump do what he wants and then watching him lose they'll be able to take back control of the Part in the aftermath. "Look bub, remember Trump? Remember how we let you say anything you wanted? Do anything you wanted? Remember what that got us? Now STFU about political correctness, put the racist talk back in dogwhistles, and let us get back to winning elections, k?"

Taking a tactical loss for a strategic gain is something the Republican elites are good at. They can afford it. They don't like it, who likes losing, but the cost won't be too much for them to pay and the potential long term benefits (another 20 to 30 years of control over the rubes) are appealing.

I remain cautiously optimistic about the election. Compared to the shitshow the Republicans put on the Democratic convention is going to be a masterwork of organization with A list people even if it's just mediocre (and I don't think it'll be mediocre). That sort of thing shows even with media coverage desperate to pretend that Trump isn't a clown.

Still, it'll be closer than it should be for one important reason:

A great many Republicans may not be too happy about voting for Trump, but virtually every Republican will vote for the Republican Presidential candidate.

Trump, taken in isolation, may repel most Republicans (though I'm doubtful how many he actually does repel), but that really doesn't matter. Because Trump doesn't exist in isolation anymore, he exists as the Republican Presidential candidate.

I'm a yellow dog Democrat when it comes to the Presidency. Clinton could be every bit as venial, corrupt, and personally awful as her detractors claim and I'd still vote for her, volunteer for her, and urge others to vote for her. Because stuff like the Supreme Court is simply too damn important.

I suspect most Republican voters are very similar in the opposite direction. Even if personally they hate Trump they will vote for him because they want Supreme Court nominees who have pledged to overturn Roe, and all the other policy stuff that comes from having the President be one of your party.

Which is why GOTV is essential and not letting our guard down is so essential. Trump is a threat. Not as Trump, but as the Republican candidate. Trump the man is much less relevant now than he's ever been.

Not totally irrelevant and I'm sure Clinton will do her utmost to convince some Republican voters to stay home on election day by highlighting just how much of an awful person Trump is.

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I also think one of the interesting things to track is just how completely false so many of the essential Republican narratives are.

Take immigration. By all actual measures illegal immigration has declined under Obama. By all measures illegal immigration tends to decline under Democrats and increase under Republicans. Yet the Republicans are, quite successfully, lying and getting their followers to agree with the lie. They say America doesn't have borders anymore. They say America is unique in the world in having no control of its borders. Both of those things are lies or based on lies, and yet since it plays to the prejudices and bigotries of the Republican base they've gotten a lot of people to believe it.

Then there's the ugly. Republicans often talk about America being humiliated on the world stage, complain about Obama humbling himself to foreign leaders, and most of us on the left are baffled because we don't see anything even remotely resembling that. Like illegal immigration it's a lie, but a lie based on emotion rather than a counterfactual narrative.

This, I argue, plays back into Trump's delight in humiliating powerful Republican leaders. He took Chris Christie, once a man widely popular, and has ceaselessly humiliated him. Why?

the answer, I argue, is that in addition to Trump's own perverse love of such things, it gives him face among Republicans. There's a lot of people (most of them Republican) who have a very binary view of the world when it comes to dominance. People who, at heart, don't actually believe that equality and mutual respect exist.

To these people there are only bullies and victims. If you aren't the bully then you must be the victim, there's no middle ground.

This view applies not just to interpersonal relations, but to international relations as well. So when they see the USA acting as an equal partner, acting with respect towards foreign nations, they believe this means the USA is the victim. To them it is only when America is doing to foreign nations what Trump did to Christie, to Pence, that they believe America is not being victimized.

We see Obama acting as an equal partner, acting with a degree of respect towards other nations. They see Obama not bullying the other nations and therefore conclude that they must be abusing America.

This is why Trump's personal awful behavior is, to a lot of Republican voters, a plus. The worse he is, the more abusive he is towards his defeated rivals, the more they will like him because this proves (to them) that he isn't the victim. And they'd rather back a bully, toady up to the bully, than risk being on the side of a victim.
posted by sotonohito at 9:13 AM on July 21, 2016 [62 favorites]




(FWIW, the Press Secretary's thing has to do with the Kansas City Royals, but it's fun to imagine he's talking about Cruz.)
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 9:15 AM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


And regarding Trump's NATO comments - he just needs to get people to feel like NATO are a bunch of deadbeats, even if the people feeling that can't properly define the purpose of NATO or find a single Baltic state on a map. And even if they can, they just need to feel like the US is getting somehow ripped off by NATO. It's just another part of the "establishment" for them to be angry about - and Trump's going to fix that. Somehow. Even if that wasn't a problem that actually existed, and even if people in Baltic states tend take their NATO membership pretty seriously because being under the bootheel of the Soviet Union is within living memory for anyone there who was born before the 1990s.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 9:17 AM on July 21, 2016 [15 favorites]


Well, I'm STILL not confident that the Democrats won't fuck this up.
posted by jeff-o-matic at 9:20 AM on July 21, 2016 [8 favorites]


And regarding Trump's NATO comments - he just needs to get people to feel like NATO are a bunch of deadbeats, even if the people feeling that can't properly define the purpose of NATO or find a single Baltic state on a map. And even if they can, they just need to feel like the US is getting somehow ripped off by NATO.

So this is just the current century's echo of, "we saved your asses in WWII, in case you have forgotten."
posted by ricochet biscuit at 9:21 AM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]




How long before The Donald starts going off teleprompter tonight? I can't wait for that.
I don't know if he can hold on and focus on the pre-prepared texts for that long.
Oh please oh please
posted by Theta States at 9:23 AM on July 21, 2016 [4 favorites]


White people feel like things are in the shitter.

This is a party of white grievance, white rage, white hot bigotry.


Elsewhere, and more recently, in the Atlantic and on Metafilter:
By a handful of indicators—unemployment rates, overall economic growth, even average hourly earnings—the U.S. economy isn’t doing so badly right now.

And yet, when it comes to the number of Americans who go hungry, it’s almost like the recovery never happened. The U.S. Department of Agriculture defines food security as "access by all people at all times to enough food for an active, healthy life,” and in 2006, the year before the housing market stumbled, the USDA estimated that fewer than 10.9 percent of American households were food insecure. By 2009, that figure had spiked to 14.7 percent. And now? As of 2014, the most recent year on record, 14 percent of all American households are not food secure. That’s approximately 17.4 million homes across the United States, populated with more than 48 million hungry people. By the time the USDA reports its 2016 figures in September 2017, new food-stamp restrictions could make that number higher.

Hunger remains persistent because millions of Americans are still struggling financially as a result of the crash. Post-recession wage growth, though real, has been wildly unequal. A recent analysis from the Economic Policy Institute found that "between 2000 and 2015, wages for the bottom 60 percent of male workers were flat or declined” and that wage gains have been largely concentrated among high earners.
posted by Rustic Etruscan at 9:24 AM on July 21, 2016 [31 favorites]




mandolin conspiracy: Economic stats that show a significant recovery since 2008? Don't matter. People feel like things are in the shitter (and for a variety of reasons, they could be right about that, but maybe not for the reasons the GOP would have them believe).

The rising rates of suicide and death in general among rural/poor whites are a real thing. They have been fucked over, and they have a reason to be angry. I think back to the article in which a National Review writer viciously attacked the weakest in the "white American underclass", and I think, yeah, of course those voters abandoned the Republican establishment.
posted by clawsoon at 9:25 AM on July 21, 2016 [12 favorites]


To be clear, I agree that the GOP is the party of white reaction, but they're taking advantage of a really existing problem which they don't intend to solve.
posted by Rustic Etruscan at 9:26 AM on July 21, 2016 [26 favorites]


But yesterday, the mask slipped too far to be conveniently ignored, even by … NPR (sponsored by Koch).

Can anyone give a source for this? All I could find was this article from Snopes which hasn't been updated from 2014. Has something more recent come to light?
posted by BrashTech at 9:26 AM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


Economic stats that show a significant recovery since 2008?

Virtually all the gains have gone to the top 1%, with a heavy emphasis on the financial sector. That same sector is a big component of Hillary Clinton's campaign contributions, and she is personally, financially, and politically enmeshed in that world. The average Trump supporter may be an angry bigot, but he is also justifiably angry about the fact that since 2008, economic gains have increasingly been tilted toward the rich. Neither party speaks to that reality, which is why Trump's personal fascist-populist revolt must be attractive, and why you see some Bernie supporters (supposedly) following Trump.

Which is also why I don't think you can take anything for granted in this election until the votes are counted. Fascist movements don't tend to follow what happened in the past.
posted by cell divide at 9:26 AM on July 21, 2016 [19 favorites]


Just heard a report on BBC radio 'I was standing twenty feet away from Trump during Cruz' speech, and he was absolutely livid - but he really enjoyed the booing'.
posted by Devonian at 9:28 AM on July 21, 2016 [13 favorites]


It's not about facts - it's about what people feel

I don't think you're wrong, but the country is not currently divided into Trump diehards and Clinton diehards. There are still (amazingly) undecided voters, or people who haven't decided hard enough to determine whether they will bother going to the polls that day. Those are the feelings in play right now, and the Democrats still have a chance of influencing them. Paint the Trump campaign as a fiasco full of unctuous, lip-licking toadies, subtly but continually hammer the narrative that the campaign is being mismanaged and poorly staffed, and imply that real winners don't need to constantly talk about how much of a winner they are. Send the subliminal message that if you want to feel smug (because who doesn't enjoy feeling smug? I know I love it!) about backing the right horse on November 9, Trump is not the way to go. Democrats can do this, if they'e savvy. And honestly I've been impressed with Clinton's media team.
posted by soren_lorensen at 9:30 AM on July 21, 2016 [4 favorites]


Not related to anything except that she just said it a couple minutes ago, my coworker just suggested we have an official National Women Stay Home day to give Trump and the dudes like him exactly what they want--women out of the workforce and in our "proper" place. See how effectively the country runs without us out here doing our jobs. How amazing would that be.
posted by phunniemee at 9:32 AM on July 21, 2016 [35 favorites]


Economic stats that show a significant recovery since 2008? Don't matter.

I saw something once that said after a major economic crash, usually the crime and other problems caused by it don't subside until ten years after it happened.
posted by drezdn at 9:32 AM on July 21, 2016


but he really enjoyed the booing

Ladies and gentleman, your Republican Party nominee, Tony Clifton
posted by beerperson at 9:32 AM on July 21, 2016 [12 favorites]


The average Trump supporter may be an angry bigot, but he is also justifiably angry about the fact that since 2008, economic gains have increasingly been tilted toward the rich.

Good thing Trump isn't one of those hoity-toity rich types.
posted by kokaku at 9:33 AM on July 21, 2016 [9 favorites]


Devonian: Just heard a report on BBC radio 'I was standing twenty feet away from Trump during Cruz' speech, and he was absolutely livid - but he really enjoyed the booing'.

After watching a couple of the professional wrestling clips featuring Trump that people have posted, I'm beginning to think that he sees political success as being exactly the same as getting a WWE arena fired up. As long as there are outsized emotions, things are going well.
posted by clawsoon at 9:34 AM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


They have been fucked over, and they have a reason to be angry.
No. Not even close. Most Straight White Males have been living privileged coddled lives (including me) compared to the rest of the American Population and any reduction in that status, even if it's through others getting better not 'us' getting worse, is perceived as "getting fucked over". Much of My Tribe will never accept just "being equal" and Donald J. Born-Rich-And-Cheating-At-Everything Trump is their Alpha Dog.
posted by oneswellfoop at 9:34 AM on July 21, 2016 [23 favorites]


National Women Stay Home day to give Trump and the dudes like him exactly what they want--women out of the workforce and in our "proper" place.

Iceland pulled this off to great success.

Iceland's men were barely coping. Most employers did not make a fuss of the women disappearing but rather tried to prepare for the influx of overexcited youngsters who would have to accompany their fathers to work. Some went out to buy sweets and gathered pencils and papers in a bid to keep the children occupied. Sausages, the favourite ready meal of the time, sold out in supermarkets and many husbands ended up bribing older children to look after their younger siblings. Schools, shops, nurseries, fish factories and other institutions had to shut down or run at half-capacity.


Edit: Ok sorry not to great success, but they did pull it off.
posted by like_neon at 9:34 AM on July 21, 2016 [4 favorites]


I'm convinced that Cruz believes that he's the Antichrist.
posted by sutt at 9:35 AM on July 21, 2016 [5 favorites]


The average Trump supporter may be an angry bigot, but he is also justifiably angry about the fact that since 2008, economic gains have increasingly been tilted toward the rich.

The point is that "economic anxiety" does not track well with economic status, but tracks incredibly well with race. Working class minorities, who got the short end of the stick, have remained generally optimistic about the economy.

Which means that something else is fueling this.
posted by NoxAeternum at 9:35 AM on July 21, 2016 [14 favorites]


I thought all the antichrist myths said that he would be charasmatic and charming?
posted by cmfletcher at 9:37 AM on July 21, 2016 [16 favorites]


And Steve Inskeep didn't slap him in his face and ask him if he knew this was real life.

I wrote to NPR News yet again this morning with that example myself. Inskeep is of course one of the most egregious examples of what has gone wrong at NPR News.
posted by aught at 9:38 AM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


The facts don't matter in this universe - feelings do. That's why I'm worried that he's going to win.

True: I saw the rise of the Fords not quite as closely as you had to endure it, but there's a real caution there.

On the other hand, what Trump needs to worry about here is disaffection. If enough Repubs get pissed off they're not going to vote for the Democrats, but they might well decide to stay home on election day, or leave a box unticked at the top of the ballot. That's part of what happened to Hudak in Ontario and Harper nationally, last times round.
posted by bonehead at 9:38 AM on July 21, 2016


Joke about Trump being rich, but he has a narrative that inspired his core group: he's been bankrupt and clawed his way back to the top.

Of course he still had his brand and privilege and connections to do that. But how many of his supporters have been foreclosed on? Declared Bankruptcy? They see in Trump the billionaire they could become if only The Government would get out of the way.
posted by mrzarquon at 9:39 AM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Why Men Want to Marry Melanias and Raise Ivankas

Ugh.
posted by Artw at 9:41 AM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


NPR (and most of the rest of the media) appears to be too busy reporting on the emotions, arguments, and window dressing of the convention to really assess the content, which is of course the more important and horrifying part. I mean, the Steve King racism scandal was just unbelievable, and went over with barely a fucking whisper of pushback.
posted by Existential Dread at 9:41 AM on July 21, 2016 [22 favorites]


The Washington delegation is in the RNC doghouse. They're not having our bus leave until right before convention showtime to keep us from talking to reporters.

I guess they've never heard of Uber?
posted by corb at 9:43 AM on July 21, 2016 [108 favorites]


if there's one thing the phenomenon of Rob Ford taught us, if nothing else, it's that it's entirely possible for someone running a shitshow to defy conventional political wisdom and still come out on top.

Rob Ford was the product of a fairly distinct set of circumstances -- the history of the GTA, the relationship of Ebitocoke and Scarborough to the old City of Toronto, etc. -- which meant that his coalition was very different from any coalition the GOP might assemble under Trump.

It's not about facts - it's about what people feel, even if they're basing those feelings on outright lies.

We know how most African-Americans and Hispanic Americans and American Muslims feel about Trump: they're afraid and with good bloody reason. We know the demographic vote splits that led Romney to 47% and defeat in 2012. And so it comes down to the question of whether there's a combination of enough fearful white people, and enough voter suppression (active and passive) on the other side.

Having seen the Brexit vote, I'm obviously not going to rule it out, and the media will keep things competitive till the end because it's in their financial interest to do so, but the past three days have come across like a narrowing of the newly co-branded TrumpGOP, not a broadening.
posted by holgate at 9:43 AM on July 21, 2016 [4 favorites]


Well, my morning errands today include going to the dispensary to prepare for today's Trumpocalypse. There's no way I'm gonna make it through this sober.
posted by Gaz Errant at 9:43 AM on July 21, 2016 [6 favorites]


The key to understanding the NATO business is that the one thing that arouses Trump's attention is the prospect of entering negotiations and screwing over the other party. The idea of doing this from his golden throne in the White House, using the full authority of the USA to make other nations grovel before him, gives him a hard-on.

Hence not the wall (which he doesn't care about) but making Mexico pay for it. His almost pornographic love for torture, including torturing families, is part of his lust for dominance.

Anything not related to directly humiliating a weaker party doesn't enter his attention, at least long enough to warrant a stable response.
posted by argybarg at 9:45 AM on July 21, 2016 [20 favorites]


I guess they've never heard of Uber?

It's like Uber, but for heathens.
posted by tonycpsu at 9:45 AM on July 21, 2016 [4 favorites]




This is doubtless small and wrong of me, and it is probably due to lagging polls or something, plus these national polls don't mean much when it all comes down to the key electoral states, but I was pleased as punch to see that Rasmussen (always rosy for Rs) last week said Trump had a 7 point national lead and now says it is 1 point. This is definitely not how it is supposed to go when the R convention is in the spotlight.
posted by bearwife at 9:46 AM on July 21, 2016 [9 favorites]


The New York Times is reporting that the Trump campaign is furiously checking Trump's speech for plagiarism because nobody knows where he comes up with the stuff that comes out of his mouth.

Either the Times has been making a lot up out of whole cloth, or more likely, the Trump campaign leaks like a sieve. Every presidential campaign leaks strategically, but the degree to which stuff seems to pour out of the Trump camp, headed by a NDA-wielding lawsuit-crazed loyalty-obsessed oaf as it is, is interesting. I suppose that's what happens when you staff your campaign with people who don't know what they're doing.
posted by zachlipton at 9:47 AM on July 21, 2016 [12 favorites]


Why Men Want to Marry Melanias and Raise Ivankas

It must suck to be Tiffany Trump and know your dad hasn't thought about sleeping with you
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 9:48 AM on July 21, 2016 [21 favorites]


uh did you miss the lifestyles of the rich and famous interview from when she was a baby
posted by prize bull octorok at 9:49 AM on July 21, 2016 [5 favorites]


Wasn't that Ivanka?
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 9:52 AM on July 21, 2016


oneswellfoop: No. Not even close. Most Straight White Males have been living privileged coddled lives (including me) compared to the rest of the American Population and any reduction in that status, even if it's through others getting better not 'us' getting worse, is perceived as "getting fucked over".

I'll respectfully disagree. I've been lucky to have privilege when it comes to jobs and, in general, playing life on easy mode, but a part of that was lucking into the academic success to get out of the small town I grew up in. Guys I grew up with - went hunting gophers and tramping through the woods and throwing the football around every day after school with - ended up struggling with alcoholism and addiction and lack of opportunity. Even though my family was probably poorer than theirs money-wise, I got some privileges that they didn't, and I'd be uncomfortable going down the road of, "I succeeded while playing life on Easy Mode, why didn't you? We share the same privilege, don't we?"
posted by clawsoon at 9:52 AM on July 21, 2016 [16 favorites]


the Trump campaign is furiously checking Trump's speech for plagiarism

Everyone is waiting for what might possibly steal the headlines away from his self-celebration
posted by Theta States at 9:52 AM on July 21, 2016


Heh, Googled it and most NATO members are in fact falling short of their expected contributions. Of the Baltics, only Estonia is meeting them.
posted by save alive nothing that breatheth at 9:53 AM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


Rob Ford was the product of a fairly distinct set of circumstances... which meant that his coalition was very different from any coalition the GOP might assemble under Trump.

Politics is always individual, but I think there are some commonalities that do transfer. Rob Ford emerged as an anybody but them candidate in a race where both front runners were unlikable. Ford was a protest vote, and won, almost by default, because none of the other options on offer were attractive enough to get votes out.

That was Bush's problem, Rubio and Cruz's problem. None were even good candidates. However, the party also had lots of angry and uninformed out there who will follow the first shyster to promise them everything. No good alternatives+dissatisfied, low information voters+carnival huckster=Ford. That's been Trump's formula through the primaries too.

That points the way at Clinton's weakness too. If she can't get the vote out, she can lose. Obama would clean Trump's clock because he could get the his part of the electorate out to vote. Clinton has to do the same, and it's not clear she's really been than successful yet in igniting her own base support.
posted by bonehead at 9:55 AM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


Heh, Googled it and most NATO members are in fact falling short of their expected contributions. Of the Baltics, only Estonia is.

Great. Does that allow the chief executive of a member state to unilaterally break the treaty on a whim?
posted by murphy slaw at 9:55 AM on July 21, 2016 [8 favorites]


the Trump campaign is furiously checking Trump's speech for plagiarism

They should first pray that he sticks to the speech at all.
posted by like_neon at 9:56 AM on July 21, 2016 [5 favorites]


The Washington delegation is in the RNC doghouse. They're not having our bus leave until right before convention showtime to keep us from talking to reporters.

I guess they've never heard of Uber?
posted by corb at 9:43 AM


Hell, rent your own damned bus. I think there'd be people here who'd help crowdfund that expense.
posted by yesster at 9:57 AM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


No. Not even close. Most Straight White Males have been living privileged coddled lives (including me) compared to the rest of the American Population and any reduction in that status, even if it's through others getting better not 'us' getting worse, is perceived as "getting fucked over". Much of My Tribe will never accept just "being equal" and Donald J. Born-Rich-And-Cheating-At-Everything Trump is their Alpha Dog.

Here's the difference.

The rural poor and white HAVE been fucked over, just like the urban poor and black, the suburban middle classes, and you and I have been fucked over. In exactly the same ways? Not entirely, because white privilege _is_ a thing and _is_ real. But compared to the 1% we're all part of the same pissed-upon underclass in this country.

The core of the Southern Strategy is simple: make rural poor and white believe, without a doubt, that those doing the fucking over are NOT the rich and elite but the other poor and downtrodden. That Good God-Fearing Rural White Folk are the only Real Americans and their place as the natural leaders of America and prosperity have been STOLEN. By THEM.

THEM varies by audience. But if you listen to a New Country song on the radio, and you hear the typical lyrics of I Got A Truck And I Got A Dawg And I Got A Beer And My Girl's Got Her Bare Feet Up On The Dashboard And I Got A Fishin Rod And I Got A Tire Swing And I Got Zero Sophistication And Don't Want None Anyway, the set of "everyone not mentioned in that song" fits into THEM somewhere.

And the theft is real to them. How can it not be? They read it in the newspaper and they hear it on TV and they hear it on radio and they read it on the Innernet. But they look at corporations dodging billions in taxes and sucking America dry, then look at a composite image of an inner city single mom getting government assistance, and the LATTER is who they blame for their situation because it's so easy these days to get caught up in an echo chamber where you're not hearing anything else.
posted by delfin at 9:57 AM on July 21, 2016 [86 favorites]


i'm an atheist but i'm praying like hell that whatever happened to the jumbotron last night during eric's speech happens to the teleprompters tonight during trump's
posted by murphy slaw at 9:57 AM on July 21, 2016 [10 favorites]


Heh, Googled it and most NATO members are in fact falling short of their expected contributions. Of the Baltics, only Estonia is meeting them.

Right, and I'm sure Donald Trump is morally outraged by someone's failure to pay a bill.

He loves humiliating weaker parties, and little goofy "countries" groveling before him amuses him.
posted by argybarg at 9:58 AM on July 21, 2016 [7 favorites]


The total amateur hour quality of the convention is proof of this,

Unfortunately the general public, whose standards of quality have been lowered to the sub- sub- sub-basement by endless terrible reality tv, watching it through the slick overlay of cable news programming, won't see it that way.
posted by aught at 10:00 AM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


So I saw Megyn Kelly grilling some bewildered Republican woman on Fox on Tuesday about immigration and it has really stuck in my teeth. Megyn was being a good journalist and this woman was becoming increasingly dumbfounded by her questions. it finally occurred to me late last night that so many of these white people will deny hating brown people, but they don't understand why their neighbors don't look like them. All they want is for the woman next door to pick up her kids from soccer practice in a similarly priced wagon, to go to the same girl for their hair and for them to smell American burgers cooking on the barbecues. It doesn’t occur to them how white supremacist it makes them.
posted by Sophie1 at 10:00 AM on July 21, 2016 [34 favorites]


Compared to the shitshow the Republicans put on the Democratic convention is going to be a masterwork of organization with A list people even if it's just mediocre (and I don't think it'll be mediocre).

I know we're still in the midst of the Repub trainwreck, but I am already giddily fantasizing about the Dems pulling off an absolutely flawless convention. WHAT IF THEY GET BEYONCE TO SHOW UP??
posted by aka burlap at 10:00 AM on July 21, 2016 [14 favorites]


One thing is certain...If Trump crashes monumentally and loses, you are guaranteed that, in 2020, you will Cruz ads extolling the fact that, of all the so-called conservatives, only Ted had the backbone/character to stand-up to the naked emperor. Or something like that. Dude shot a lot of footage for his future campaign last night.
posted by Thorzdad at 10:00 AM on July 21, 2016 [13 favorites]


Heh, Googled it and most NATO members are in fact falling short of their expected contributions. Of the Baltics, only Estonia is.

Great, let's utterly screw over Latvia over what, $100 million or so? That sounds fun and we've certainly got no higher priorities in world affairs so we've got all the time in the world for that.
posted by zachlipton at 10:01 AM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


"I thought all the antichrist myths said that he would be charasmatic and charming?"

I didn't say that he was the Antichrist, but that he thinks he is the Antichrist. To Ted Cruz, Ted Cruz is the most charismatic person in the room.
posted by sutt at 10:01 AM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


They should first pray that he sticks to the speech at all.

I think that's like praying for NASA's budget to increase. You can do it all you want, but even within the normal bounds of faith, even the true believers will admit there's no connection between the prayer and the end result.
posted by zachlipton at 10:03 AM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


Heh, Googled it and most NATO members are in fact falling short of their expected contributions. Of the Baltics, only Estonia is meeting them.

Yeah, it's true that the US has been carrying the heaviest NATO burden for decades. That's the price of being a superpower. Do we want free reign in the world to pursue our neo-imperialist global corporate agenda, or do we want Russia and China to divide the spoils of the world up between them? If you dismantle NATO, that's what you're getting. That and a reformed Warsaw pact only now with Kleptocrats instead of Communists.
posted by dis_integration at 10:04 AM on July 21, 2016 [19 favorites]


Heh, Googled it and most NATO members are in fact falling short of their expected contributions.

Heh, just pull out of NATO, heh heh.

Is this a shakedown for money, or is it about no longer giving a fuck about the central US security policy of the last half-century? Or is it just for the fucking lulz?
posted by holgate at 10:04 AM on July 21, 2016 [13 favorites]


Norm Orenstein & Thomas Mann take a well-earned victory lap & continue to be Cassandras at Vox: “The Republicans waged a 3-decade war on government. They got Trump.”
posted by Going To Maine at 10:05 AM on July 21, 2016 [5 favorites]


I do not understand how Trump squares his American First isolationism with his desire to kill kill hill terrorists abroad. These two things would appear to be contradictory.
posted by soren_lorensen at 10:06 AM on July 21, 2016 [6 favorites]


Heh, just pull out of NATO, heh heh.

Speaking of pulling out...Have I missed it, or have none of the R candidates said anything about pulling out of the UN? That used to be a big applause line in hard-right politics. Is it over?
posted by Thorzdad at 10:06 AM on July 21, 2016


Great, let's utterly screw over Latvia over what, $100 million or so? That sounds fun and we've certainly got no higher priorities in world affairs so we've got all the time in the world for that.

Couldn't we just send Luke Cage over to ask Dr. Doom where's our money, honey?
posted by entropicamericana at 10:07 AM on July 21, 2016 [5 favorites]


I do not understand how Trump squares his American First isolationism with his desire to kill kill hill terrorists abroad. These two things would appear to be contradictory.

soren_lorensen, I believe the logic is, "Better to kill them over there then have them kill us over here".
posted by Apoch at 10:08 AM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Well, my morning errands today include going to the dispensary to prepare for today's Trumpocalypse. There's no way I'm gonna make it through this sober.

In the interest of your sanity and blood pressure, may I recommend sticking with an indica?
posted by bibliowench at 10:08 AM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


so Trump's foreign policy is basically global-scale MGTOW
posted by prize bull octorok at 10:08 AM on July 21, 2016 [10 favorites]


The whole thing about "raising Ivankas", now that I've finally read this... there's all this stuff about her "professional success", but look at her. Look at any of Trump's kids. He's got tons and tons and tons of resources. Why aren't any of them notable for something other than being Trumps? Yeah, they've all had Trump-related careers. But he didn't raise Ivanka to someday be even more notable than he is. She could have been successful in a lot of fields, but everything she's done has involved trading on her father's name. He's made her to be nothing without him.

Ivanka isn't making any noticeable attempt to break out of that mold, and her dad doesn't have any intention of guiding her to doing her own thing. I hate the narrative of her "success". Ivanka's career is like Melania's speech. Anything she did herself, she did only by carbon-copying someone else. To quote her:
"I look at my brothers and myself and I’m, like, really proud of the fact that nobody’s ... a drug addict, nobody’s driving around chasing women, snorting coke."
This is the bar they had to live up to in order to be "successful in business". They just had to not actively screw it up. And the media seems to want to give them all kinds of accolades for that, and give Trump credit for raising adults of independent competence who don't actually exist. What's notable here is what a short leash Melania has even compared to Ivanka. If this is supposed to speak to how men see women generally, that's really disturbing. But I think it has less to do with men generally and more to do with the fact that Trump already tried having a wife with agency and decided that wouldn't do. If Ivanka actually went off and did her own thing and made a name for herself on her own, I don't think a hypothetical future daughter (or granddaughter) would get the opportunities that Ivanka got.
posted by Sequence at 10:09 AM on July 21, 2016 [29 favorites]


Robert Faturechi at ProPublica: “What Newt Gingrich Really Thinks of Donald Trump”
In a private speech recorded in February, the onetime Speaker of the U.S. House, now reportedly on the shortlist to be Trump’s running mate, said Trump would lose in a landslide if he didn’t evolve to be more like Ronald Reagan than Barry Goldwater. He added that no one knows what a Trump presidency would be like — not even Trump.
posted by Going To Maine at 10:09 AM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Heh, Googled it and most NATO members are in fact falling short of their expected contributions. Of the Baltics, only Estonia is meeting them.

For want of a nail the shoe was lost.
For want of a shoe the horse was lost.
For want of a horse the rider was lost.
For want of a rider the message was lost.
For want of a message the battle was lost.
For want of a battle the kingdom was lost.
And all for the want of a horseshoe nail.

Isolationism during a far-away war can be an efficacious strategy, depending on the circumstances. But letting one's allies fall in battle over pride, unpaid dues and a preening desire to prove how valuable you are to them seems dangerously and stupidly shortsighted. We should be better than that.
posted by zarq at 10:09 AM on July 21, 2016 [15 favorites]


How long before The Donald starts going off teleprompter tonight?

He sort of has to. When he's on the Teleprompter he's not a great reader plus he gets bored. So if he stays on it's going to be a snooze fest and he wouldn't allow that. So at some point it's pretty much guaranteed he'll go off script.
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 10:11 AM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


CIA ought to brief him with fake but tantalizing info to see if he leaks it. Stuff like. "Hillary loves to sell red mercury on eBay. She doesn't even care how much it sells for. She just likes to see it in foreign hands."
posted by mccarty.tim at 10:11 AM on July 21, 2016 [12 favorites]


Is this a shakedown for money, or is it about no longer giving a fuck about the central US security policy of the last half-century? Or is it just for the fucking lulz?

I think it goes back to Trump personally signing a giant stack of checks and refusing to pay his vendors, going "nah, screw this guy," just because he can. He will take any opportunity to screw over the little guy to make himself look stronger, whether it's actually to his advantage or not. And that applies just the same whether the little guy is his tile supplier or the nation of Latvia.
posted by zachlipton at 10:14 AM on July 21, 2016 [9 favorites]


Who would Tom Bombadil bomb-badoo?
posted by blue_beetle at 10:14 AM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


CIA ought to brief him with fake but tantalizing info to see if he leaks it.

Quite honestly, they actually should do this to any candidate being given security briefings, on the off-chance they do talk about it while campaigning.
posted by Thorzdad at 10:14 AM on July 21, 2016 [22 favorites]


I'm not cheering for Cruz, but I am thoroughly enjoying my popcorn.

I would like to share my popcorn making techniques for everyone so they can fully enjoy the remainder of the electoral season.

I use a microwave popcorn container like this one. It's okay but the lid warped pretty quickly and lots of kernels escape. I might upgrade someday but am in no rush. I used to use a hot air popper but it blew bits of popcorn debris all over my kitchen all the time and the popcorn was too dry for seasoning to stick.

I put a couple of teaspoons of olive oil in the container first. Then pour in some flavacol salt to get that movie theatre popcorn taste. Stir to dissolve salts. Then add popcorn kernels and stir again to coat the kernels.

I microwave on high for 3 minutes. Then I very carefully remove the container from the microwave (it gets some moisture buildup around the edges which can be very hot) and dump the popcorn into a large bowl. Then I add a seasoning salt - currently either cracked pepper and Asiago cheese or salt and vinegar (I'm out of ranch).

Then the radical part - I put the popcorn in rubbermaid containers and seal it up for the next day. Somehow day old popcorn tastes at least twice as good as just made popcorn. The salt is saltier the popcorn is a bit crunchier. But it has to be in a sealed container. Left exposed to air the popcorn becomes chewy and stale (I checked). THIS DISCOVERY SERIOUSLY ELEVATED MY POPCORN GAME. I fully expect to show up on Eater's next map of the best non-candied popcorn in Chicago.

Leftover unpopped kernels can be recooked - it works better if you do it nearly right away - I put these back in the just used container and nuke them for about 2 minutes and 20 seconds. You do get a slight burnt popcorn smell but they don't usually burn and the popcorn still tastes okay (but not as good as the initial batch). I deliberately under-time my initial and subsequent cook because I'd rather have lots of unpopped kernels than even one burnt one (The Worst!).

A fun science experiment/lesson is that a kernel alone in the microwave will not pop. You need a certain critical mass of kernels for popping - so the escaped kernels can sit in your microwave for a long time without popping while you nuke other stuff.
posted by srboisvert at 10:16 AM on July 21, 2016 [71 favorites]


Sequence: This is the bar they had to live up to in order to be "successful in business". They just had to not actively screw it up.

Considering how some of their friends turned out, given the temptations of private school, that might be a higher bar than you'd think.
posted by clawsoon at 10:18 AM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


All they want is for the woman next door to pick up her kids from soccer practice in a similarly priced wagon, to go to the same girl for their hair and for them to smell American burgers cooking on the barbecues. It doesn’t occur to them how white supremacist it makes them.

Either because they've been sold fear of the Other all their lives, or I have that backwards and this is why it's so easy to sell fear of the Other to them. Or both.
posted by Foosnark at 10:19 AM on July 21, 2016


🔮❌📉📌TRUMP📌📉❌🔮

—an emoji hex to take down Trump from the Tumblr witch thread
posted by nicebookrack at 10:19 AM on July 21, 2016 [10 favorites]



While you can interpret Cruz's comments about Trump dissing his wife as hiding behind Heidi, it also gives him an out for the disloyalty charge -- he can claim a higher loyalty, that is to his family. Whether it's true or not, he can certainly sell it that way.


Oh, FFS, Mefites...

This thread is full of plausible reasons to deem Cruz's speech as career suicide. What is not even remotely plausible is to think Cruz didn't think of all those reasons himself, and still stepped forward and do it.

The guy took a vow to love and honor his wife. Last night he made good on it, in the face of a crowd that was a heartbeat away from tossing chairs at him.
posted by ocschwar at 10:19 AM on July 21, 2016 [34 favorites]




heh, the subject line of my latest email from the Clinton campaign is just "Lucifer"
posted by prize bull octorok at 10:23 AM on July 21, 2016 [24 favorites]


> This thread is full of plausible reasons to deem Cruz's speech as career suicide. What is not even remotely plausible is to think Cruz didn't think of all those reasons himself, and still stepped forward and do it.

The guy took a vow to love and honor his wife. Last night he made good on it, in the face of a crowd that was a heartbeat away from tossing chairs at him.


For reals though the man has watched Princess Bride literally thousands of times. He has memorized it. It is likely the frame through which he understands the entire world. And despite his obvious-to-everyone Humperdinckery, he is convinced that he's Westley.
posted by You Can't Tip a Buick at 10:26 AM on July 21, 2016 [44 favorites]


heh, the subject line of my latest email from the Clinton campaign is just "Lucifer"

They, along with the social media team, are just killing it over there.

Somebody should make an "I'M WITH LucifHER" shirt, I think the irony would be lost.
posted by leotrotsky at 10:26 AM on July 21, 2016 [14 favorites]


In about 12 hours Trump will be fully eligible for those classified briefings.

Given how overclassified things are in DC, that could literally just be NYT articles.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 10:27 AM on July 21, 2016 [10 favorites]


prize bull, did you read it the email? It's not that the campaign is calling Trump Lucifer, they're talking about Ben Carson saying Hillary is connected with Lucifer.
posted by cooker girl at 10:27 AM on July 21, 2016




They, along with the social media team, are just killing it over there.

they are taking "never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake" to a whole new level and it's delightful
posted by murphy slaw at 10:29 AM on July 21, 2016 [21 favorites]


In about 12 hours Trump will be fully eligible for those classified briefings.

Given how overclassified things are in DC, that could literally just be NYT articles.


Nonetheless, we can fully anticipate every covert US agent around the world requesting immediate extrication and repatriation on Wednesday in November.
posted by ocschwar at 10:29 AM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


Clearly the RNC has decided to let Trump have his run but without any real RNC support.

That doesn't seem to be the case. The Speaker of the House and Majority Leader of the Senate were there speaking on behalf of him, and the convention has clearly been trying to downplay internal disputes in the party.

If the RNC or institutional GOP more broadly were just letting him have his run, I think that what that would look like is: Ryan showing up to conduct business but not speaking on Trump's behalf and McConnell not showing up at all. The convention would have just allowed the votes that the nevertrumpers wanted and maybe even allowed the convention to weasel out of Trump, gambling that this would better preserve the longer-term affections of their volunteer corps.

To me anyway, what you're seeing looks like the institutional Republican Party trying as hard as it can to get Trump elected but in an environment where many individual politicians and donors either recognize that visibly supporting Trump is not in their longer-term interests or just plain can't stomach the doofus.
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 10:30 AM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]




Hillary and her team are basically Obama sitting back and telling Romney, "proceed" as Mitt goes on to embarrass himself over Benghazi in their last debate.

Please, by all means, Mr. Trump, proceed.
posted by wabbittwax at 10:33 AM on July 21, 2016 [6 favorites]


“One of the things I’ve been concerned about this week is we’re all sitting in our bubble, having a good laugh at this total, as you said, shitshow, but the truth is that this plays to a lot of people that he has to win to become the next president,” [Michael] Moore said of the chaos that has unfolded at the Republican National Convention, like when the crowd starting screaming about locking up Hillary Clinton.

He has a point.
posted by a lungful of dragon at 10:36 AM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


I think Maher's right. I think Trump has this one.

Trump is entertaining, he's charismatic, he's easy to understand. It's easy to yell in his favor, which isn't true for Hillary.

He's your bonkers uncle who you call on when you need a dispute resolved. He's the dumbass comedy who still makes you laugh every time. He's Andrew Jackson and Dirty Harry and the Joker and a lot of other unfortunate American archetypes. He's sex, power, shamelessness and TV all in one package.

I don't think even his voters really care about issues, and Trump certainly doesn't. They just like the spectacle of power and novelty, and it's gathering steam. The minor missteps are tiny compared the force of "lock her up" and the general feeling of kill-or-be-killed.

I think he has this one in the bag.
posted by argybarg at 10:36 AM on July 21, 2016 [5 favorites]


Please, by all means, Mr. Trump, proceed.

Yeah. If there's a debate, I think the best thing Hillary could do is to just let Donny wail and bluster and go deeper and deeper down the crazy hole, while she stands there with the well-practiced, empathetic-yet-mildly-amused face of a mother letting her toddler throw a tantrum until they're too tired to continue.
posted by Thorzdad at 10:39 AM on July 21, 2016 [12 favorites]


yeah, I knew it was a reference to Carson, still funny just to see "From: Hillary Clinton, Subject: Lucifer" in my inbox

anyway. I was happy to have one more opportunity to make a Ted-Cruz-is-a-literal-monster joke last night but after his speech and his press conference this morning...fuck it, I wouldn't vote for him for assistant undersecretary to the vice-dogcatcher and all of his political beliefs completely infuriate me but god damn it after watching all these GOP tools trip all over each other to do Reek and Wormtongue cosplay for Donald fucking Trump it was refreshing as hell to see one guy get up there and deliver the best screwjob he could, damn the consequences, and I don't care if he did it for his wife or if he did it to set up his 2020 run, even if it was 100% for his own personal benefit it took some spine to do that that very, very few of his contemporaries have shown so you know what -- and this will likely be the nicest thing I ever say about him -- Ted Cruz, you're a real human being.
posted by prize bull octorok at 10:40 AM on July 21, 2016 [30 favorites]


I think he has this one in the bag.

Facile conclusion, but then Bill Maher and Michael Moore have both made careers out of dime-store "analysis."
posted by Celsius1414 at 10:40 AM on July 21, 2016 [27 favorites]


I took a break from all of this last night, woke up very late this morning and catching up on everything is like eating two pizzas at once as fast as I can. OMG this photo of the Trump family during Cruz's speech! "No big deal" indeed!
posted by The Card Cheat at 10:40 AM on July 21, 2016 [28 favorites]


I would like to share my popcorn making techniques for everyone so they can fully enjoy the remainder of the electoral season.

I agree that popcorn is important, but I really have to argue for the whirleypop, and I am sad that srboisvert did not devote any attention to popcorn selection. Some of the kernels from Fireworks are pretty good -- their baby white is good, as is their "High Mountain Midnight," but most of the popcorns in their sampler packs are basically like Orville Redenbacher but more expensive. Right now we're going through some baby white from Hoosier Hill that's pretty darn good. Solid crunch, good flavor, nearly hull-less, very few unpopped kernels. Small puffs though as the name would imply.
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 10:43 AM on July 21, 2016 [8 favorites]


Is it me or does Tiffany look like she's trying not to laugh?
posted by cooker girl at 10:43 AM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


I'm not a fan of any electoral analysis that could include the words "masses" or "sheeple" in any accurate paraphrase
posted by prize bull octorok at 10:44 AM on July 21, 2016 [12 favorites]


The Clinton campaign has a tool for you to "Trump yourself" - decorate your pictures with insulting Trump quotes.

Twitter pics
posted by Tarumba at 10:44 AM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


ok not to get all snopes on this but how could that family snapshot be from during Cruz's speech? didn't Trump enter at the end of it?
posted by prize bull octorok at 10:45 AM on July 21, 2016


I recognize that it took millions of Republican primary voters to bring America to this frightening moment, a moment in which a preposterous grifter of authoritarian bent whose mental health is the subject of pervasive and anxious speculation, has become a major-party nominee for president. But it was men like Christie who were indispensable in the creation of this moment. Donald J. Trump could have been stopped. I believe he could have been stopped early, by a concerted effort to unify the party behind a single, viable, non-fraudulent candidate; and he could have been stopped late, if Republicans like Christie had not crumpled before Trump. A handful of honorable men did, in fact, try to stop him. But they were too few in number, and too marginal to make a difference. Collectively, the most influential and smartest Republican elected officials—people who fall into the general category of Them That Knew Better—just might have been able to devise a way to prevent what is happening from happening. But abdication of responsibility and self-debasement in the pursuit of power were the order of the day.
Jeffrey Goldberg, "The Hollow Men".
posted by Halloween Jack at 10:45 AM on July 21, 2016 [4 favorites]


Thorzdad: Yeah. If there's a debate, I think the best thing Hillary could do is to just let Donny wail and bluster and go deeper and deeper down the crazy hole, while she stands there with the well-practiced, empathetic-yet-mildly-amused face of a mother letting her toddler throw a tantrum until they're too tired to continue.

I have no context for this clip, but is having Hillary walk out Steve Austin to give Trump a Stone Cold Stunner also a possibility?
posted by clawsoon at 10:45 AM on July 21, 2016


I don't think even his voters really care about issues, and Trump certainly doesn't. They just like the spectacle of power and novelty, and it's gathering steam. The minor missteps are tiny compared the force of "lock her up" and the general feeling of kill-or-be-killed.

I think he has this one in the bag.


How have you reached that conclusion? Same thing as I asked in the last thread, really. What makes you think that these things will persuade swing voters to vote Trump and sceptical Republicans to vote at all? He needs those votes. He can't do it simply on the basis of the votes that are his already. A Trump presidency is a possibility, and one that people should be terrified, but to declare it likely at this point requires something beyond your gut instinct about momentum.
posted by howfar at 10:46 AM on July 21, 2016 [14 favorites]


Michael Moore thinks Trump is going to win.

As I said elsewhere, the translation of Moore's argument is "my demographic's relevant, dammit!" He's an old school leftist activist who cut his teeth on white working class lunchpail issues, and he's never been able to fully understand the demographic shifts of the past 30 years.
posted by NoxAeternum at 10:47 AM on July 21, 2016 [22 favorites]


OMG this photo of the Trump family during Cruz's speech! "No big deal" indeed!

Maybe that's just his resting scowl?
posted by Artw at 10:48 AM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


If y'all really want to up your popcorn game, you should be using bacon fat. (You're welcome.)
posted by entropicamericana at 10:48 AM on July 21, 2016 [10 favorites]


I think he has this one in the bag.

I don't think he has it in the bag, but if we don't take a serious look at what makes him appealing to so many and just laugh up his foibles, that improves his odds.
posted by a lungful of dragon at 10:48 AM on July 21, 2016 [12 favorites]


FYI I have not yet received any memails re: Trumps chances being wagerable. Free money "in the bag" here folks.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 10:48 AM on July 21, 2016 [4 favorites]




The "oh god how can we be here hillary is so FUCKED" contingent was around in 2012, too, telling us that Obama was utterly fucked, and in 2008 they told us that America was responding so primally to Sarah Palin that Obama was fucked then too.

Read the old threads while you're waiting for this one to pick up more comments. They're more like where we are now than these ones would make them seem. They're also much shorter, which is nice.
posted by rorgy at 10:49 AM on July 21, 2016 [32 favorites]


How have you reached that conclusion? Same thing as I asked above, really. What makes you think that these things will persuade swing voters to vote Trump and sceptical Republicans to vote at all? He needs those votes. He can't do it simply on the basis of the votes that are his already. A Trump presidency is a possibility, and one that people should be terrified, but to declare it likely at this point requires something beyond your gut instinct about momentum.

Seriously. He needs voters that neither McCain nor Romney was able to get, while losing none of the ones they already had. And he's polling worse than either of them were at this point in the cycle.

Just because you're scared he'll win doesn't mean he's omg totally going to win.
posted by showbiz_liz at 10:50 AM on July 21, 2016 [21 favorites]


Card Cheat, that picture is amazing.

Room317, Hillary's social media team is unbelievably on point right now.

Bibliowench, tonight calls for a top-shelf Indica alternating with a high-CBD strain.

You know, when I was out protesting Bush in the early aughts I honestly believed we were at the low point, presidentially speaking. 2001 me's head would explode from 10 minutes of this convention.
posted by Gaz Errant at 10:50 AM on July 21, 2016 [8 favorites]


I think he has this one in the bag.

I disagree. The steam is peaking now, the ugly-minded and nutjobs who have been waiting for something like this got real active weeks or months ago, the dem side is just getting fired up. Campaigns are more than message and candidate, they must react to curveballs and events. Trump is proving at this convention he and his people are real, real bad at that.

Could he win? Perhaps, if a double earthquake hits both coasts and no one in the big liberal cities can vote, just Texas and a bunch of other southern/conservative states. Or if somehow the other side makes several big mistakes. But he hardly has it in any kind of bag. The best he can hope for tonight is a slight righting of the ship, he's not going to unify the country with the most amazing speech of all time. Even money says he makes things worse. And the Cruz thing might not go away- Cruz drew media heat, he can do it again, he could function as a shadow third party candidate.
posted by vrakatar at 10:50 AM on July 21, 2016


Democracy has changed irrevocably because of social media. No idea how, but it's funny how all those people and websites who've been writing about celebrities and reality tv instead of politics for the past decade may have the most insight right now whereas the Washington Post is all 😕
posted by Potomac Avenue at 10:51 AM on July 21, 2016 [6 favorites]




The Writers of Idiocracy Are Planning Anti-Trump Ads Starring Terry Crews

I take it back, apparently that's an old article and no longer true.
posted by Mister Fabulous at 10:52 AM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


So 538's election forecast has the likelihood of victory at 61% Clinton, 38.9% Trump today.

I realize a lot of things play into that and it'll change over time, but still. Ugh.
posted by scaryblackdeath at 10:52 AM on July 21, 2016 [4 favorites]


Okay, I'm guilty of overstating the case. Mea culpa, I'm a little on edge these days for some reason.

I am seeing Donald Trump unleash a naked, hateful fury of the kind I have never seen before in at least recent politics. He's inviting the American voter to join in on whipping that woman, and the weaklings she represents, and inviting them to indulge in authoritarian fantasies.

And I really don't know how they will respond. I don't know if the electorate has the backbone to firmly reject that force. I'll leave it at that.
posted by argybarg at 10:53 AM on July 21, 2016 [10 favorites]



The "oh god how can we be here hillary is so FUCKED" contingent was around in 2012, too, telling us that Obama was utterly fucked, and in 2008 they told us that America was responding so primally to Sarah Palin that Obama was fucked then too.


I really think it's mostly leftover trauma from 2004. The combination of not understanding how anyone could re-elect Bush with the ascendant political blogosphere's publishing of exit polls that turned out to be wrong left a lot of scars on liberal brains that basically expect Democratic losses all the time, especially when things seem to be going well.
posted by Ragged Richard at 10:53 AM on July 21, 2016 [24 favorites]


I take it back, apparently that's an old article and no longer true.

Say it ain't so! I was so looking forward to those. Where'd you see the news that it's not happening anymore?
posted by Gaz Errant at 10:54 AM on July 21, 2016


Moore's map has Trump winning every Romney state along with Michigan, Ohio, PA, and Wisconsin. Pulling that off would require a level of broad appeal and organisation that is completely absent from the Trump campaign right now.
posted by cmfletcher at 10:55 AM on July 21, 2016 [6 favorites]


The "oh god how can we be here hillary is so FUCKED" contingent was around in 2012, too

Another parallel all of this has to the Rob Ford Saga is how the utter constant insanity of it and outrage fatigue contributed to an atmosphere where everything - and I mean EVERYTHING - that happened was spun by panicked lefties (including me) into a potential triumph for Ford. "He ran groin-first into a fire hydrant? What a humanizing moment! Voters will love it! Fancy-pants John Tory would never lower himself to running into a fire hydrant! WE'RE FUCKING DOOOOOOOMED!!!"
posted by The Card Cheat at 10:55 AM on July 21, 2016 [6 favorites]


And regarding Trump's NATO comments - he just needs to get people to feel like NATO are a bunch of deadbeats, even if the people feeling that can't properly define the purpose of NATO or find a single Baltic state on a map. And even if they can, they just need to feel like the US is getting somehow ripped off by NATO. It's just another part of the "establishment" for them to be angry about - and Trump's going to fix that.

Yes, many people in America don't particularly care what NATO is or what it does, and the critical question for an American nativist is "yeah, well, what has NATO done for me lately?" Given an overall subsidence of the perceived threat of Soviet conquest, along with the fracturing of news sources into partisan echo chambers, NATO risks being cast as America's thankless and unnecessary entanglement with the outside world by some branches of the media.

Heh, Googled it and most NATO members are in fact falling short of their expected contributions. Of the Baltics, only Estonia is meeting them.

Yeah, let me respond to that by telling you what Newt Gingrich said this morning on CBS. First off, he had a couple of factual inaccuracies -- claiming, for instance, that only two countries in NATO have met their 2% GDP defense quota, when it's actually five as of 2015 (Poland, Greece, Estonia, USA, and UK). He also elided the fact that Estonia is one of those five countries, and he claimed that 40% of Estonia's population is ethnically Russian (no, it's about 25%). And here: "When pressed on whether Trump and the U.S. would come to the aid of countries like Estonia in the case of a Russian invasion, Gingrich said he too 'would think about it a great deal... Estonia is in the suburbs of St. Petersburg. The Russians aren't gonna necessarily come across the border militarily. The Russians are gonna do what they did in Ukraine,' he said. 'I'm not sure I would risk a nuclear war over some place which is the suburbs of St. Petersburg.' When asked whether he believed Trump meant to terminate the NATO agreement, Gingrich said he believed the GOP nominee wanted to have a 'very serious conversation about us being the people who defend people who won't defend themselves.' "

...Really, dude? Really? The Estonians are so freaked out by the possibility of a second iron curtain that they have compulsory military training for every able-bodied male adult. The training lasts eight to eleven months, and once you are trained you stay on the reserve defense force. Their total reserves are 219,000, over 16% of the population. And as of 2010, 94% of the population supported compulsory military training.

So the takeaway here is that for the Trump camp, even a country that DOES meet its military expenditure obligations and DOES satisfy Trump's stated demands can still be brushed into America's wastebin.
posted by Vic Morrow's Personal Vietnam at 10:55 AM on July 21, 2016 [46 favorites]


I take it back, apparently that's an old article and no longer true.

Say it ain't so! I was so looking forward to those. Where'd you see the news that it's not happening anymore?


Terry Crews says there won't be any 'Idiocracy'-themed ads attacking Donald Trump after all
posted by Mister Fabulous at 10:56 AM on July 21, 2016


I really think it's mostly leftover trauma from 2004.

For those of us who were adults during the 2000 election that was also a massively scarring experience.
posted by winna at 10:56 AM on July 21, 2016 [26 favorites]


> So 538's election forecast has the likelihood of victory at 61% Clinton, 38.9% Trump today.

NYT also has a good forecast page (they currently have her at 75%) that also includes comparisons to several other forecasts (including 538). I can't say how much better/worse it is, but it is a different perspective.
posted by noneuclidean at 10:57 AM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]



Yes, many people in America don't particularly care what NATO is or what it does, and the critical question for an American nativist is "yeah, well, what has NATO done for me lately?


At which point you google the names of NATO soldiers who died in combat in Afghanistan.

There is plenty of fodder with which to chip away at Trump's support in America's military culture.
posted by ocschwar at 10:58 AM on July 21, 2016


The new standard for NATO and all treaties: What have you done for us lately?
posted by dances_with_sneetches at 10:58 AM on July 21, 2016 [5 favorites]


I have no context for this clip, but is having Hillary walk out Steve Austin to give Trump a Stone Cold Stunner also a possibility?

In the best of all reasonably-possible universes, Clinton will win and the Republicans will promptly impeach her for some bullshit.

Wait, I'm not done.

And in that best universe, the response of the White House will be to hire Joe Pesci as their "attorney," in full Vinny Gambini mode. And he will just sit there and do nothing through the entire prosecution, possibly picking his nose when the cameras are on him, and offer as the entirety of his defense "Everything that other guy said was bullshit." And she still won't be convicted of whatever.

On preview, I take that back. He should also call President Camacho as a witness for some reason.
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 10:59 AM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


And I really don't know how they will respond. I don't know if the electorate has the backbone to firmly reject that force. I'll leave it at that.

Well, keep this in mind - a large part of that electorate, for one reason or another, can see themselves in her shoes in terms of the vitriol and abuse being leveled at her. How do you think they'll react?
posted by NoxAeternum at 10:59 AM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


> Just because you're scared he'll win doesn't mean he's omg totally going to win.

Yeah - I agree there isn't much room for complacency, but right now, I'm not so worried that Trump will win. The Electoral College, for all its stupid flaws, is a giant safety net for Clinton this time around. Just because it can happen in a simulation 25% or even 39% of the time doesn't mean it can happen in real life - the electorate doesn't behave like a set of independent weighted coin tosses.

What I'm much more worried about is what this means for the future of politics in the USA. When we're sort of locked into a two-party system, one of the major parties totally losing its sanity and going full-racist grievance politics is not something we can afford.

That, and the inevitable surge of "We wuz robbed" after the election results. At this point, I expect impeachment proceedings to start in the House the day after the Inauguration. They're already baying for blood, and they haven't even been handed a humiliating loss yet.
posted by RedOrGreen at 11:00 AM on July 21, 2016 [13 favorites]


Not to mention that a GOP Senate, if they hold onto it, might just decide that approving Supreme Court justices just isn't something they do anymore.
posted by argybarg at 11:01 AM on July 21, 2016 [7 favorites]


ok not to get all snopes on this but how could that family snapshot be from during Cruz's speech? didn't Trump enter at the end of it?

This was more clear on TV. Cruz spoke and Trump entered toward the end of the speech, right about in time for the booing (presumably a bit of coordinated theater there). Then they showed a video "My Father, Donald Trump." The picture was taken during the video--that's why all the lighting is blue and weird. Then Eric Trump spoke, which MSNBC showed with a split-screen of Donald in the box the entire time watching, not looking very happy. After that, Trump left so he could get backstage.
posted by zachlipton at 11:02 AM on July 21, 2016 [4 favorites]


Re: citing the 538 page: I'm not terribly scared of Trump winning. No room for complacency, but in the end I think most Americans will heed their interest in personal survival if nothing else.

But it absolutely sucks that it's even this close. And I am sincerely concerned about what's going to happen once someone more competent than Trump comes along to take control of the ugliness he has gathered.
posted by scaryblackdeath at 11:02 AM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


Not to mention that a GOP Senate, if they hold onto it, might just decide that approving Supreme Court justices just isn't something they do anymore.

We should take that as a given.
posted by Artw at 11:03 AM on July 21, 2016 [4 favorites]


For those of us who were adults during the 2000 election that was also a massively scarring experience.

For sure - I turned 18 that year, so it was my introduction to American Democracy! For me, though, there was something so much worse about 2004. I think it was the difference between seeing people vote for the president Bush campaigned as versus seeing them vote for the president he actually was.
posted by Ragged Richard at 11:03 AM on July 21, 2016 [27 favorites]


I'm not really worried about November, but I am worried about the smarter, competent version of Trump that has learned exactly what they will be able to get away with, and knows precisely how to turn that into victory.

THAT worries me.
posted by Tevin at 11:04 AM on July 21, 2016 [12 favorites]


It's pretty funny that, except for here in Indiana, Pence's speech hasn't made any news beyond some bullet-point recaps.
posted by Thorzdad at 11:04 AM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


2000 was my first election night as well. There's a whole generation of us.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 11:05 AM on July 21, 2016 [7 favorites]


What I'm much more worried about is what this means for the future of politics in the USA. When we're sort of locked into a two-party system, one of the major parties totally losing its sanity and going full-racist grievance politics is not something we can afford.

This. Even if Trump doesn't get elected, the reveal that Republicans are totes okay with backing a fascist racist shitheel means that this sort of rhetoric might not go away ever. That every four years there's another kick at the can for getting someone like Trump in the White House. They are realizing that the majority of their voters like that sort of extreme thinking. So even if Clinton is elected this time out, we have by no means dodged a bullet. Just this one. They've plenty more.
posted by Kitteh at 11:06 AM on July 21, 2016 [17 favorites]


zombieflanders pointed to a transcript of an interview with trump. And the point was supposed to be that Trump would not support NATO members if they didn't pay their bills. Side stepping all of that, and donald's lack of bill payment, one line kinda jumped out at me.

Trump: "I don't want to tell you what I'd do because I don't want Putin to know what I'd do. I have a serious chance of becoming president and I'm not like Obama, that every time they send some troops into Iraq or anyplace else, he has a news conference to announce it."

So he's just going to send the troops to various countries and hope that no one hears about it? In the context of Russia, is he going to move troops in and act as unlawful enemy combatants?
posted by nobeagle at 11:06 AM on July 21, 2016 [5 favorites]


Tonight I'll be checking if Trump comes in sans eyebrows to the roar of the house band playing Pink Floyd's In the Flesh.
Is it too late to pass the hat and get G. E. Smith to play this? Yes? No?


Well hrmph, I posted that a few days ago and it got deleted because of bad word but it's been running through my head nonstop...it just fits perfectly with this spectacle. Perhaps they'd theatrically build a wall during his speech like the live performances just to really push the message home.
posted by splen at 11:08 AM on July 21, 2016


It's pretty funny that, except for here in Indiana, Pence's speech hasn't made any news beyond some bullet-point recaps.

Something to keep in mind. Whatever counterbalance Pence was going to provide was largely lost before it was announced.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 11:08 AM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


National elections that go one for a while and run through the Electoral College tend to force candidates to at least rhetorically bow towards consensus. Recent presidents have had to temper their rhetoric to get the electoral votes, and they've tended to keep that tempering through their presidencies.

What concerns me is what happens when the tacit social contract gets broken. Trump has not just survived hundreds of gaffes that would have taken down other candidates — they fuel him. Other candidates dress their hatred and lust for dominance in tasteful clothing; Trump flaunts them nakedly.

That's why I wonder if an unprecedented election doesn't behave in unprecedented ways. Or perhaps it's a normal election and Trump's inability and unwillingness to observe how things work will be his downfall. Not sure.
posted by argybarg at 11:09 AM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


The former supreme allied commander of NATO responds to Trump’s comments to the New York Times:
"The one thing we know for certain about the post-Cold War international order is that it is highly complex, utterly interwoven, and not receptive to a theory of the world that bounds along like a floppy-haired golden retriever carelessly knocking over everything in its path."
posted by Kabanos at 11:09 AM on July 21, 2016 [93 favorites]


538's election forecast has the likelihood of victory at 61% Clinton, 38.9% Trump today.

But Nate Silver has made clear that the forecast is at its least forecast-y at this point in an election year. He could introduce an additional variable and try to model convention-season noise, but that just muddies things further. For aggregate polling, come back in August.

I'm also sure there are some Dems who follow state races, look at Martha Coakley, and worry that that's the precedent: a woman in Massachusetts who represented the institutional party and lost two elections thanks to a less-than-inspiring campaign and a large cohort of male WEEI-listening Massholes voting against her. I don't think that's the precedent.
posted by holgate at 11:09 AM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


> So 538's election forecast has the likelihood of victory at 61% Clinton, 38.9% Trump today.

NYT also has a good forecast page (they currently have her at 75%) that also includes comparisons to several other forecasts (including 538). I can't say how much better/worse it is, but it is a different perspective.


Looks about 14% better
posted by DynamiteToast at 11:09 AM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


~What I'm much more worried about is what this means for the future of politics in the USA. When we're sort of locked into a two-party system, one of the major parties totally losing its sanity and going full-racist grievance politics is not something we can afford.

~This. Even if Trump doesn't get elected, the reveal that Republicans are totes okay with backing a fascist racist shitheel means that this sort of rhetoric might not go away ever.


Worse yet, if Trump loses spectacularly, like, utterly crushed, it's pretty certain that the lesson Republicans will take from that isn't going to be "Wow. We went too far with that shit. We really need to dial it back." It will be "We were too soft on the message. We need to be much more conservative next time."
posted by Thorzdad at 11:10 AM on July 21, 2016 [10 favorites]


"The one thing we know for certain about the post-Cold War international order is that it is highly complex, utterly interwoven, and not receptive to a theory of the world that bounds along like a floppy-haired golden retriever carelessly knocking over everything in its path."

That's not fair at all. Golden Retrievers are nice.
posted by leotrotsky at 11:11 AM on July 21, 2016 [45 favorites]


So watching the amazing trigger discipline in the "let's respond to Cruz" department, what's the over/under for Trump to go off whatever rails the speech writers have given him?
posted by Kid Charlemagne at 11:11 AM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


The "oh god how can we be here hillary is so FUCKED" contingent was around in 2012, too, telling us that Obama was utterly fucked, and in 2008 they told us that America was responding so primally to Sarah Palin that Obama was fucked then too.

The main takeaway from 2012 is that the election never really starts until after Labor Day. Obama had a terrible summer that year, but a combination of more enthusiasm on his part and some unforced errors on Romney's part meant that Obama was able to pull ahead. Obama also had better on-the-ground organization.

So the summer is just a prelude. If the Trump campaign cannot get its act together by the end of August (take a look at fundraising results released at the beginning of August and the beginning of September) then it's truly game over for Trump.

Trump needs to identify and persuade undecided voters to come out and vote, and needs to do a better job than HRC.

I really don't see that happening.
posted by My Dad at 11:11 AM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


I don't think Republicans will learn one lesson; they'll learn a few conflicting ones. That inability to agree is what let Trump drive right through.
posted by argybarg at 11:12 AM on July 21, 2016 [6 favorites]


So 538's election forecast has the likelihood of victory at 61% Clinton, 38.9% Trump today.

538 is notably more positive for Trump than anyone else doing analysis. The Upshot put it at 75% for Clinton, and Princeton Election Consortium 80%. There are some reasons to think that PEC's modeling may be better than 538's, but in the end they're all just models, and it's going to be another month before they are that predictive. I suspect that 538 may well continue to indicate that the race is close, even if it's not actually that close. Personally I don't think that would be a bad thing, politically, because people need to stay scared about Trump. A 1 in 5 chance (taking the most sanguine position) of President Trump is like a 1 in 5 chance of falling off a building, an utterly unacceptable level of risk given the consequences.

I realize a lot of things play into that and it'll change over time, but still. Ugh.

Remember that the models being used are already accounting for the possibility of a swing to Trump later in the race. Although I have to say that I'm pretty sceptical about how evenly matched 538 says an election today would be, given the state level polls.

One somewhat related question, does anyone know how 538 are predicting the states where there's no polling yet?
posted by howfar at 11:13 AM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]




NYT also has a good forecast page (they currently have her at 75%) that also includes comparisons to several other forecasts (including 538). I can't say how much better/worse it is, but it is a different perspective.

Ooh, scroll down on this one. It lets you simulate the odds based on different swing states going in different directions, and gives you current per-state odds for that as well.

If Hillary wins any three of the four swing states that she's given 70%-or-higher odds to win, then she wins. Period. Even if she loses everything else.

And this is before she gets the bump next week.
posted by rorgy at 11:15 AM on July 21, 2016 [4 favorites]


"Donald Trump might also want to remember (since his memory of 9/11 is so crystal clear) that Article 5 has been invoked only once in the long history of the treaty: in defense of the United States just hours after the attack on New York and Washington, D.C."

mic drop
posted by Vic Morrow's Personal Vietnam at 11:16 AM on July 21, 2016 [45 favorites]


I am seeing Donald Trump unleash a naked, hateful fury of the kind I have never seen before in at least recent politics. He's inviting the American voter to join in on whipping that woman, and the weaklings she represents, and inviting them to indulge in authoritarian fantasies.

And I really don't know how they will respond. I don't know if the electorate has the backbone to firmly reject that force. I'll leave it at that.


I believe that the people who respond very well to authoritarian fury and herrenvolk shrieking will come out in droves to vote for Trump. But how many of those are new voters, and how many are the base who'd have come out anyway and would vote for a lamppost over any Democrat?

Will this new Legion of Grar outnumber the Romney voters who look at Trump's freakshow and go "no way in hell," whether they stay home or swallow hard and vote for Hillary?

Consider geography as well. To win, Trump not only needs to get his vote out but get his vote out in _specific states_. If Trump's authoritarianism resonates strongly in Oklahoma and he wins it 85-15, that's great for his pride but he'd have won there anyway. Is wearing a spiked rhetorical helmet going to help him in northern Virginia, in Florida, in suburban Ohio, in Philadelphia and Pittsburgh, in Iowa?

Even if Trump doesn't get elected, the reveal that Republicans are totes okay with backing a fascist racist shitheel means that this sort of rhetoric might not go away ever. That every four years there's another kick at the can for getting someone like Trump in the White House. They are realizing that the majority of their voters like that sort of extreme thinking.

Frankly, look at the House. A rather large chunk of their voters _do_. While his head may contain one, Louie Gohmert does not exist in a vacuum.
posted by delfin at 11:16 AM on July 21, 2016 [6 favorites]


WARNING ABOUT SMOKING TOO MUCH WEED DURING THE ELECTION

I've been in pain for like the last two days because of the stupid weather, so you can bet that any contribution of mine will be THC infused

because of someone's incredible generosity I have tickets to Hamilton in Chicago in January. Post-election, it will either be triumphant or elegiac. Mulling over the latter option, I had the thought, but will we be able to get to Chicago if there's martial law.

Like, that's the stupidest stoner thought ever.
posted by angrycat at 11:17 AM on July 21, 2016 [18 favorites]




> One somewhat related question, does anyone know how 538 are predicting the states where there's no polling yet?

I think I heard Harry Enten say they were using historical voting trends modeled against how other states were polling at the time so they could use other state's current polling as an indicator.
posted by noneuclidean at 11:19 AM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


argybarg: I don't think Republicans will learn one lesson; they'll learn a few conflicting ones.

Agreed. There's a fundamental division in the Republican Party between "illegal immigration is the problem" and "Hispanic voters are the solution". It's getting harder for them to paper it over.
posted by clawsoon at 11:19 AM on July 21, 2016 [7 favorites]


“One of the things I’ve been concerned about this week is we’re all sitting in our bubble, having a good laugh at this total, as you said, shitshow, but the truth is that this plays to a lot of people that he has to win to become the next president,”

I don't think the Trump has even won over the hardcore Republicans yet, much less convince anyone else with this convention. I think he might have lost votes with the convention. And the mockery has just started in earnest.

There is a large uninformed segment that wants to vote for the winner. He has played to that up until now. He is not looking like a winner right now, and they will drop him in a second when he loses that.
posted by bongo_x at 11:20 AM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


Even if Trump doesn't get elected, the reveal that Republicans are totes okay with backing a fascist racist shitheel means that this sort of rhetoric might not go away ever.

Crazy sexist anti LGBTQ racist rightists have been dominating R politics for over a decade now. They have primaried out their moderates, in state after state. And frankly, the D base has sat on their hands, for local elections, gubernatorial elections, Congressional elections . . . you know, Moore is right that complacency is killing us. The only way to keep the loons out of office is to work every single election. I am a lot less worried about HRC winning the Presidency than what the mid terms will look like and how down ballot races will go.
posted by bearwife at 11:21 AM on July 21, 2016 [25 favorites]


> The New York Times is reporting that the Trump campaign is furiously checking Trump's speech for plagiarism...

If Trump does plagiarize anyone's speech, I hope it's Jack Palance's at the 1991 Oscars:

"Ted Cruz, [laughs] I crap bigger than him."
posted by The Card Cheat at 11:21 AM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


Cruz talked principle, principle, principle. And then, pushed and pushed by the Texans, he admitted this is personal.

Refusing to bend the knee to a man who has insulted your wife counts as a principle in my book.
posted by straight at 11:23 AM on July 21, 2016 [29 favorites]


Y'all gotta start warning when it's a WaPo link, I've been out of articles with them for days and then I have to go refind your link and open in incognito mode.
posted by DynamiteToast at 11:24 AM on July 21, 2016 [8 favorites]


Trump's supporters don't care if he's telling them the truth or not, they support him because of what he stands for, which, once truth is discarded, means they support him because he's basically a funhouse mirror, and these people support anything that reflects their own images back to them. A loud, brash, famous, narcissistic bully makes them feel good about themselves. So the question of whether he will win or not has nothing to do with where he stands on the issues or how he does in debates or how past political races were won or lost. The question will be answered based on one and only one metric: how many voting Americans identify with or admire loud, brash, famous, narcissistic bullies.
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 11:26 AM on July 21, 2016 [11 favorites]


Dude shot a lot of footage for his future campaign last night.

That's true, but he's still got that Ted Cruz face in all of it
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 11:26 AM on July 21, 2016 [11 favorites]


for some semi-uplifting and unifying news: both parties agree that Supernatural is a pretty good show.
posted by numaner at 11:30 AM on July 21, 2016 [4 favorites]


538's model methodology page is here, and is pretty thorough. How it handles state's with limited polling is mentioned about half way down in the "Step 3: Combine polls with other data" section.
posted by noneuclidean at 11:30 AM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


Y'all gotta start warning when it's a WaPo link

I try to always include the headline. Googling that should work even if you're over your limit.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 11:31 AM on July 21, 2016


For contrast, this is from Mitt Romney's 2012 acceptance speech.

We are a nation of immigrants. We are the children and grandchildren and great-grandchildren of the ones who wanted a better life, the driven ones, the ones who woke up at night hearing that voice telling them that life in that place called America could be better. ...

When every new wave of immigrants looked up and saw the Statue of Liberty, or knelt down and kissed the shores of freedom just ninety miles from Castro's tyranny, these new Americans surely had many questions. But none doubted that here in America they could build a better life, that in America their children would be more blessed than they. ...

My dad had been born in Mexico and his family had to leave during the Mexican revolution. I grew up with stories of his family being fed by the US Government as war refugees.
posted by dances_with_sneetches at 11:31 AM on July 21, 2016 [7 favorites]


If Donald Trump gets elected, maybe subsequent administrations will be willing to finally fund mental-health care at an appropriate level. A gal can dream, right?

... the narcissist is like an alcoholic or a drug addict when it comes to attention. He is insatiable and seeks out attention as if it were his drug of choice. He does not get uncomfortable with it, no matter how much he gets (it is never enough) or whether it is positive or negative. Narcissists generally have no intrinsic or “built-in” sense of self-worth so they rely on other people, via attention or Narcissistic Supply, to re-affirm their greatness in order to feel good about themselves.

To elicit a steady stream of attention or Narcissistic Supply from others, the narcissist projects a False Self. The False Self is an imaginary façade or mask that he shows to the world that includes what the narcissist wants to be seen as: powerful, charming, intelligent, rich, or well-connected.

The narcissist then ‘collects’ reactions to this projected False Self from spouse, family, friends, colleagues, business partners and peers. If the expected Narcissistic Supply is not forthcoming- (adulation, admiration, attention, fear, respect, applause, or affirmation) – the narcissist demands them, or extorts them. Money, compliments, a media appearance, a sexual conquest are all simply various forms of the same thing to a narcissist--Narcissistic Supply.

posted by Bella Donna at 11:32 AM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


Imagine if California had turned Okies back at the border.
posted by Talez at 11:34 AM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


What time does Trump go on tongiht?
posted by MisantropicPainforest at 11:34 AM on July 21, 2016


Trick question. Trump is always on.
posted by rorgy at 11:36 AM on July 21, 2016 [9 favorites]


The latest Republican convention disaster shows Donald Trump is a terrible dealmaker

I understand the desire to vent. But recriminations against wayward Republicans do nothing to get Trump elected. They only make it harder for Trump to consolidate the votes he needs to win. This is not strategy — it's stupidity.

Trump could have urged his supporters to listen politely and magnanimously to what he knew would be a nonendorsement speech. Or, if the idea of a nonendorsement was too outrageous to bear, he could have denied Cruz a speaking slot. Having Cruz's name entered into nomination would have been less damaging than this mess.

I suspect that Trump and his advisers simply misread the situation: They thought being booed off the stage would be a humiliation for Cruz and did not sufficiently consider how the episode could damage Trump.

posted by bongo_x at 11:36 AM on July 21, 2016 [5 favorites]


>What time does Trump go on tongiht?

11:59.59
posted by Tevin at 11:37 AM on July 21, 2016 [4 favorites]


Talez: Imagine if California had turned Okies back at the border.

It would've been a humanitarian disaster.
posted by clawsoon at 11:38 AM on July 21, 2016


So he's just going to send the troops to various countries and hope that no one hears about it?

And when any of those thousands of troops on the ground violate their nondisclosure agreements by being loudly blown up by a landmine, they're gonna get sued so hard!
posted by nicebookrack at 11:39 AM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


At this point, I would love it if the DNC got the word out that nobody may mention Trump all of next week. Make the entire Democratic Convention a positive event and hope people notice the contrast.
posted by zachlipton at 11:40 AM on July 21, 2016 [30 favorites]


How popular is Trump with Hispanic voters?

. . .most other surveys have shown Mr. Trump eking out 10 to 12 percent among Latino voters.
(NYT)

This compares with the Stockholm Syndrome.

The findings revealed frequencies of occurrence ranging from approximately 10 percent for positive feelings by hostages toward their captors to 28 percent for hostage-takers’ positive feelings toward their captives. (cited in)

Mentally, I append every sentence Trump speaks with his proclamation: Hispanics love me. It sums up his arrogance, his self-delusion and his utter chutzpah in making every statement into the big lie.
posted by dances_with_sneetches at 11:40 AM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


>What time does Trump go on tonight?

Two minutes to midnight.
posted by Groundhog Week at 11:42 AM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


That every four years there's another kick at the can for getting someone like Trump in the White House. They are realizing that the majority of their voters like that sort of extreme thinking. So even if Clinton is elected this time out, we have by no means dodged a bullet. Just this one. They've plenty more.

This is a worrying possibility. I would say, though, that there is at least a reasonable chance that this sort of bullet will get less accurate as time goes on. Complacency based on the idea of demographic shift is never a good idea, but with the current core group of Trump-style voters shrinking at every election, I think it's reasonable to think that, if it doesn't work this time, the GOP will probably need to make at least some modifications to its approach. Of course, if Trump loses due to poor organisation and lack of money, the modifications for 2020 could just be greater competence, so there's no way anyone can relax about your concerns in the coming years.
posted by howfar at 11:43 AM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


What time does Trump go on tongiht?

Speakers don't have (official) set times. The list is here. Donnie should be about 10pm EDT. I'd tune in an hour or so before that.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 11:45 AM on July 21, 2016


> I'm also sure there are some Dems who follow state races, look at Martha Coakley, and worry that that's the precedent: a woman in Massachusetts who represented the institutional party and lost two elections thanks to a less-than-inspiring campaign and a large cohort of male WEEI-listening Massholes voting against her. I don't think that's the precedent.

I mean if we're talking about recent-ish senate races in the Northeast, it seems like the clear precedent is Clinton/Lazio rather than Coakley/Brown.
posted by You Can't Tip a Buick at 11:45 AM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Future would-be Trumps may (depending on who runs) not have the advantage of the inexplicable-but-real cult of personality he has built over a long time (just like the one Rob Ford had).
posted by The Card Cheat at 11:46 AM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


The only thing that makes me feel better about "but what if they start being competent shitheels?" is that Republicans have decided that competence and expertise are their enemies and have driven people who cling to those ideals out of the party, so even if Cruz is ready to go in 2020, he's still going to have a shitty bench to pull from.

I mean, the general Republican posture right now is to ask a well-informed/skilled person "Who the hell do you think you are, some kind of elite? Fuck you I do what I want!"
posted by emjaybee at 11:48 AM on July 21, 2016 [9 favorites]


Future would-be Trumps may (depending on who runs) not have the advantage of the inexplicable-but-real cult of personality he has built over a long time (just like the one Rob Ford had).

Let's see then....perhaps one of the Duck Dynasty guys? Steven Seagal? oooh! Chuck Norris!
posted by Existential Dread at 11:48 AM on July 21, 2016


EVERYTHING - that happened was spun by panicked lefties (including me) into a potential triumph for Ford. "He ran groin-first into a fire hydrant? What a humanizing moment! Voters will love it!

Memories, light the corners of my mind. Misty water-colored memories of the way we were ...
posted by octobersurprise at 11:50 AM on July 21, 2016 [4 favorites]


DNC speakers

Kaine and Booker are listed, Vilsack is not. Something to read between the lines there?
posted by prize bull octorok at 11:50 AM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


The question will be answered based on one and only one metric: how many voting Americans identify with or admire loud, brash, famous, narcissistic bullies.
Yes, but the ones who aren't white will still be looking over their shoulders. That's why I can't forget Kanye West's promise/threat to run in 2020. Yeah, he could even do it as a Republican...
posted by oneswellfoop at 11:51 AM on July 21, 2016


With so much drama in the RNC it's kinda hard being T-R-U-M-P.
But I, somehow, some way keep comin up with unthinkable shit for every single news day
May I, kick a little something for the D's (yeah)
and, make a few racist remarks as (yeah!) I breeze, through
Ten in the evenin and the party's still jumpin cause Romney ain't home

I got delegates in the convention center gettin rules on
and, they ain't leavin til Friday mornin (Friday mornin)
So what you wanna do
I got a phone with Tinder and my closeted friends have Grindr too
So turn off the lights and close the doors
But (but what) we don't love them voters, yeah!
So we gonna do a line to this
Poll's up, D's down, while you motherfuckers cry to this

Rollin down the street arresting illegals and launching America's nukes!
posted by Talez at 11:52 AM on July 21, 2016 [6 favorites]


The plot thickens: Democratic PAC Files FEC Complaint Over Melania Trump's RNC Speech

"McIver's involvement in the speechwriting is a violation of campaign finance law because she has received no compensation from the campaign but is an employee of the Trump Organization. "
posted by Tarumba at 11:53 AM on July 21, 2016 [32 favorites]


Re: Convention bounce:
convention messages end up overlapping and may cancel out each other. Another potential explanation lies in the increased polarization of the electorate. It is possible that partisans are so much more committed to their candidates now than they were before and there is a much smaller persuadable electorate
Or maybe enough people are getting news from the internet, and having conversations there in and finding new political commentary and analysis (both professional and amateur) much faster than tv/radio can provide it, that the post-convention "that speech was awesome" surge fades faster, because everyone has access to the detailed analysis of "that speech" - and comparisons of it to the last hundred years of political speeches.

Or it's just that we have access to the complete story now, so the initial bounce, carried by supporters who are interested and vocal, is quickly overshadowed by people who take longer to make up their mind (as in, longer than 4 hours), and have seen the rest of the speeches, not just the handful of soundbites that fit into a half-hour news show.

Thirty years ago, wed've only seen highlights of the convention, and maaaaaybe a transcript of one or two speeches. Ingraham's speech would be mentioned (and maybe the "nazi salute" would get a photo, but would quickly be dismissed as just a wave caught at the wrong moment); Van Etten's speech would be ignored, except for maybe a line about "ultimate ringmaster;" Cruz's speech would be mentioned as shocking, but a paragraph or two of "Freedom! Conscience! Freeeeedoooommm!" quotes wouldn't give the full impact of the snub. Pence's speech would get lots of attention, with selected bits being quoted all over the place to show how Trump's selected such an awesome VP who's going to shore up all his weak points.

(Of course, that'd only work in the campaign's favor until Trump saw those articles, and had to insist that he has no weak points.)

The feelgood followup of the rousing speeches is smaller and over quicker now, because we have plenty of other political news to follow it. Even people who don't draw their news from the internet are affected by it - their coworkers and family heard something on Facebook and they read an article about fact-checking some of the claims, and so on. Doesn't matter how much effort they spend tracking down new info; the afterglow fades quicker now.
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 11:54 AM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


> The plot thickens: Democratic PAC Files FEC Complaint Over Melania Trump's RNC Speech

That story ends with "However, the ideologically divided FEC is often deadlocked on issues, rendering the oversight committee toothless."
posted by The Card Cheat at 11:54 AM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


Classic Meredith
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 11:54 AM on July 21, 2016 [33 favorites]


Michael Moore and Bill Maher (tentatively, more as an expressed fear) now join the group of Trump Victory Predictors led by NOTMeFi's Own Scott Adams and this guy in February.
posted by oneswellfoop at 11:54 AM on July 21, 2016


Like Elizabeth Warren, Vilsack would set off sirens in Trump's reptile brain. He's a quiet, doughy-looking beta male and Trump will long to humiliate him in front of the world. Again, how that will play will depend on whether you align with the bully or not.
posted by argybarg at 11:55 AM on July 21, 2016


vilsack, Perez, and Castro a re barred from speaking by the WH. (Presumably unless they're the VP nom). So don't read too much into that.
posted by dismas at 11:57 AM on July 21, 2016


Cruz: fairly complicated. He would not endorse because Trump insulted his wife. But he also implies that if Trump loses, he was there standing tall against the loser. But he is running for reelection to Senate and many in Texas pissed at his non endorsement. And there is now Rubio, again in the game, running for the Senate but he endorsed. Then there is the Trump son who might be interested in politics but like Bush now has soiled name should Trump lose and drag down fellow Republicans. In sum: a total mess and for once, odd as it seems, the Democrats seem to have a united and functioning party going into the election.
posted by Postroad at 11:58 AM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


by what metric is Vilsack a "beta male?"

vilsack and Perez are barred from speaking by the WH.

~~* the more I know!
posted by prize bull octorok at 11:59 AM on July 21, 2016


The plot thickens: Democratic PAC Files FEC Complaint Over Melania Trump's RNC Speech

The Trump campaign is basically The Birth of a Nation crossed with an episode of Chucklevision.
posted by howfar at 11:59 AM on July 21, 2016 [4 favorites]


The one thing with all the chortling (some of it from me) about the impossibility of the Republicans winning the presidency anytime soon is that eventually, I want another party to get elected. Not that I won't campaign the fuck out of trying to stop them. But the idea that a single party ends up controlling the whitehouse for the next hundred years disturbs me greatly. I want principled conservatives who I disagree with on many things, but who do not believe in tearing down the government. I want to see conservatives who laugh in the face of Grover Norquist and say that for a strong military, we do need money (even if I think that they money should be spent elsewhere).

I want a loyal opposition. I don't want a shit show that scares me greatly.
posted by Hactar at 11:59 AM on July 21, 2016 [35 favorites]


Hopefully not too much is made of that accidental Nazi salute. There is plenty in Donald Trump and his party to be wary of (and even scared of). This was just a stupid accident.
posted by beau jackson at 12:00 PM on July 21, 2016 [5 favorites]


by what metric is Vilsack a "beta male?"

I'd go one step further and ask that we retire this type of rhetoric entirely, in honor of Milo's permaban from Twitter. It's an utterly meaningless and demeaning classification.
posted by Existential Dread at 12:02 PM on July 21, 2016 [58 favorites]


> The Strange Politics of Peter Thiel, Trump’s Most Unlikely Supporter

Forget Trump: Peter Thiel Is So Dangerous and Fascinating You Have to Watch Him Tonight
posted by homunculus at 12:02 PM on July 21, 2016 [4 favorites]


Is Christie maybe just trying to position himself for a pardon when the Bridgegate shit hits the fan?
posted by under_petticoat_rule at 12:03 PM on July 21, 2016


by what metric is Vilsack a "beta male?"

He has a reputation, at least, of being a quiet, un-flashy sort of Midwesterner, not a status-oriented individual and a bit of a policy nerd. The sort of person Donald Trump sees as a weakling.
posted by argybarg at 12:03 PM on July 21, 2016


And you're right, I should be very careful when projecting through Donald Trump's eyes. The little that I know of Vilsack, I like. But I like people who are reserved, thoughtful and self-effacing. And "beta male" is fine with me, I'm one. But I'm happy to retire that designation.
posted by argybarg at 12:05 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Almost nobody is still making up their mind imo. The rest of this election is about turnout. Can trump get evangelicals out of the house by scaring them into voting their lizard brain? Can he stop scaring Lations long enough to keep them home in Florida? Can Clinton (hopefully via a VP pick) get the Black vote out in those key swing states? The polls are just noise that self-fulfill to either depress or elevate certain demos (particularly among educated urban voters, who read 538).
posted by Potomac Avenue at 12:06 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


Hopefully not too much is made of that accidental Nazi salute. There is plenty in Donald Trump and his party to be wary of (and even scared of). This was just a stupid accident.

It is actually sort of touching, the way she realises what she's done and then tries to make it look like she was pointing. Because we've all done that at some point in our lives. Just not normally on live TV. Or with a Nazi salute.
posted by howfar at 12:06 PM on July 21, 2016 [14 favorites]


by what metric is Vilsack a "beta male?"

He's not constantly spewing racist and sexist garbage. Might have feelings.
posted by Lyn Never at 12:06 PM on July 21, 2016 [14 favorites]


I reall don't think most people do reflexive Nazi salutes, really. It's quite strange.
posted by Artw at 12:08 PM on July 21, 2016 [33 favorites]


Yeah, like, how many times in your life have you waved? And how many times did it accidentally turn into a Nazi salute?
posted by The Card Cheat at 12:10 PM on July 21, 2016 [30 favorites]


Hactar: But the idea that a single party ends up controlling the whitehouse for the next hundred years disturbs me greatly.

I wouldn't worry about that too much. There are plenty of divisions in the Democratic coalition. In this election, some of them are being brought into the coalition simply because of the awfulness of Trump. Bloomberg and Sanders are not natural bedmates; to a lesser degree, nor are suburban married white women and Black Lives Matter, or Hispanic Catholics and pro-choice supporters. Etc. The Democratic coalition is fragile enough, it's just not as starkly split as the Republicans are right now.
posted by clawsoon at 12:11 PM on July 21, 2016 [4 favorites]


Forget Trump: Peter Thiel Is So Dangerous and Fascinating You Have to Watch Him Tonight

Sam Biddle, formerly a writer at Gawker, which Thiel means to bankrupt, wrote this piece. I like it.
It’s a testament to Thiel’s contradictions that he’s so poorly understood even back home. In Silicon Valley, the tech sector was amazed when Thiel backed Trump as a party delegate — aberrant behavior in a community that sees itself as essentially open-minded and tolerant. How could a California futurist, who co-founded PayPal and beat every other VC in town to Facebook, support Stone Age politics? Thiel, who was born in West Germany, was a lifeline to startups founded by and employing people from a variety of ethnic backgrounds — and now supported a presidential candidate who’d like to make life considerably harder for many of those same people.

In truth, extreme ideology was old hat for Thiel by the time Trump’s 2016 campaign began; he’s been a strong donor for both Ted Cruz and Ron Paul. Thiel gave hundreds of thousands of dollars over multiple campaigns, going back to at least 2009, to support Cruz, the Texas senator who pledged to make his opposition to gay marriage “front and center” in his presidential campaign and proposed a constitutional amendment to preserve bans on the practice. During the 2012 campaign, Thiel donated over $2 million to a Paul-supporting Super PAC.

Thiel has also postured as a libertarian, and even as his ideology shifts toward something more nihilistic — The Economist now calls him a “corporate Nietzschean” — he continues to rail against government programs like Medicare and Social Security. Meanwhile, he is chairman and co-founder of Palantir Technologies, a mass-surveillance-software company that makes a good deal of its money selling to the government; Palantir’s clients reportedly include the Department of Defense (including the NSA and various military branches), the Department of Homeland Security, the FBI, and the CIA. Thiel is, inexplicably, pro-monopoly. And don’t forget that Peter Thiel believes death is nothing but a bug in the feature set of mankind, and one he can buy his way out of.

What, if not ideological incoherence, could make Thiel a better pairing for Trump, for whom free trade is bad, but corporate interests are good; military spending is good, but military intervention is bad; immigrants are bad, and he married one? Voters love Trump’s wealth and crazed chatter — Thiel is just one more “self-made man” with bombastic theories to drive them wild.
posted by Rustic Etruscan at 12:11 PM on July 21, 2016 [30 favorites]


Let's be fair, none of us have been in her position. If you were called up to speak the praises of a fascist strongman, you might reflexively nazi salute too
posted by prize bull octorok at 12:11 PM on July 21, 2016 [15 favorites]


There is no way that American politics moves forward with just one party, none. Either the Republican party will change itself to be an actual competitor again, the Dems will fracture until two new parties emerge, one of the tertiary parties will grow to fill the void, or the remnants of the Republican party will reform into a new party of some kind.

It's because of they way our voting works. If the democrats were the only party that actually got people elected, it would mean that winning the nomination wins you the election. It wouldn't take long for some narrowly defeated challenger to realize that they might be able to beat them if they leave the party. There would be a lot of like minded 2nd place finishers from the primaries, and those folks would likely form the new opposition party.
posted by VTX at 12:11 PM on July 21, 2016 [5 favorites]


That story ends with "However, the ideologically divided FEC is often deadlocked on issues, rendering the oversight committee toothless."

I just love that they are getting so caught up in their lies because clearly McIver did not have anything to do with the speech. She just took the heat because she is a loyal employee and possibly $$$

Even if nothing comes from that complaint, they are forcing them to do all kinds of mental gymnastics to cover up or justify their lies!
posted by Tarumba at 12:11 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


> Last night Gingrich subtly threatened to criminalize dissent.

Transcript. Closest thing I was able to find to what you're claiming is "Donald Trump will show zero tolerance for people calling to the death of police officers." He set himself up for saying what you're claiming, for instance
Pew Research finds that only 9 percent of Muslims in Pakistan view ISIS favorably.
Unfortunately, 9 percent is 16 million people, and that is just one country.
could have led to a call for ISIS-favorers in the US being deported or jailed, but did not.

You did say "subtly threatened", but with all the talk of the constitution and rule of law, it was awfully deep subtext if there at all. I realize who these people are and what they represent, but some of them are pretty careful about sounding like actual Americans.
posted by morganw at 12:13 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


I think she probably did just mean to wave, but on the other hand, actual, swaztika-tat-bearing Nazis are loving Trump. This is the disadvantage of letting Nazis hang out in your party, you see, you suddenly have to be careful that everything you do might look like you, too, are a Nazi.
posted by emjaybee at 12:14 PM on July 21, 2016 [26 favorites]


Another way to say it is that threat of the Republican party is the only thing keep the Democrats together in one party. And just to drive the point home I'll point out that the democrats aren't even a party here in Minnesota, they're the "Democratic Farmer Labor" party here. Functionally, it's a part of the same national Dem party as everything else but it is still kind of it's own thing and we don't talk about the democrats here, we talk about the "DFL".
posted by VTX at 12:16 PM on July 21, 2016 [6 favorites]


Oh my God that article on Peter Thiel is making me want to fight random people on the street. I am a San Franciscan and it is too much. I read the line about buying his way out of death and something deep in my psyche snapped and now I am a crazed animal filled with blood lust. I am going to have to start tormenting my Sims again to let off steam. First up against the wall: Ben Carson.
posted by sunset in snow country at 12:16 PM on July 21, 2016 [5 favorites]


Because we've all done that at some point in our lives. Just not normally on live TV. Or with a Nazi salute.

In a way, Ingraham and d'Souza were wingnut trolls for the pre-web era. Given the amount of hatred she's instigated, and the amount of money she's made doing so, she deserves to have that photo in her face for the rest of her life.

Speaking of trolls, here's Laurie Penny again, on the carnival of the shitlords and the way America feeds them.
posted by holgate at 12:17 PM on July 21, 2016 [5 favorites]


> Last night Gingrich subtly threatened to criminalize dissent. They want to imprison their political opponent.

The Republican National Convention and the criminalization of politics
The second shocking element of the speech was the ease with which Christie essentially called for the criminalization of political disagreement. You can like or dislike the Iranian nuclear deal. But helping negotiate it, and supporting it, is not a crime. Doing that is participating in statecraft. Christie suggested that bad policy should put you before a jury ready and eager to condemn you for anything they deem mistakes.
posted by homunculus at 12:17 PM on July 21, 2016 [5 favorites]


There's a fundamental division in the Republican Party between "illegal immigration is the problem" and "Hispanic voters are the solution".

Those are not innately at odds. I expect there are a lot of first-to-Nth generation Hispanic immigrants who also want there to be a rationally devised, evenly applied legal immigration path, and that oppose the actions of those who would circumvent it.

It's the Republican rhetoric that is based in naked racism that, I'm sure, turns many otherwise conservative Hispanic voters away from the party.
posted by chimaera at 12:18 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Well, if you'd like to see something from a GOOD convention, Comic-Con San Diego starts today and has a "Video-On-Demand" site (free but requiring registration until the Con ends and $5/month after) which is doing a "live feed" of interviews and floor-walking right now.
posted by oneswellfoop at 12:19 PM on July 21, 2016


Speaking of political parties, I think it is possible for the DNC to move further to the center and become the new conservative party, Bernie's new whatever movement to become the new left-wing party, and the GOP to ride off into the sun.

Not the sunset, but the literal actual sun, fueled by the endless furnace of their own hatred.
posted by Tevin at 12:22 PM on July 21, 2016 [12 favorites]


I read the line about buying his way out of death and something deep in my psyche snapped and now I am a crazed animal filled with blood lust.

On the plus side, Thiel won't succeed, so envisioning his future disappointment is kind of soothing. He deserves nothing but scorn and ridicule for writing this kind of shite:
Since 1920, the vast increase in welfare beneficiaries and the extension of the franchise to women — two constituencies that are notoriously tough for libertarians — have rendered the notion of “capitalist democracy” into an oxymoron.
posted by Existential Dread at 12:22 PM on July 21, 2016 [5 favorites]


Kayleigh McEnany on CNN is really awful. They can't find any pro Trump people to comment that aren't so obnoxious? I swear she is going to make people vote against him.
posted by bongo_x at 12:24 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Thiel basically doesn't understand why being super-wealthy doesn't entitle him to be King so anybody who finds themselves making common cause with him is suspect to begin with.
posted by Pope Guilty at 12:27 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


If the democrats were the only party that actually got people elected, it would mean that winning the nomination wins you the election

I've lived my adult life in places where that was mostly the case. (I'm sure there are areas where the reverse is true.) It's not untenable, it just changes the priority election.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 12:27 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


I swear she is going to make people vote against him.

And that's bad why?
posted by cooker girl at 12:28 PM on July 21, 2016 [6 favorites]


Seriously. He needs voters that neither McCain nor Romney was able to get, while losing none of the ones they already had. And he's polling worse than either of them were at this point in the cycle.

Romney got a lot of flack from the right for screwing it up or whatever--not going 'true conservative' enough--but It's quite possible that his campaign was the high-water mark of what the Republican Party can do in a national race now.

November will tell us a lot. But I think the idea that Romney's campaign was indeed the high-water mark of the Republican Party in the post-Bush era is perhaps the most likely way this era of politics will be summarized in history books 20 or 40 or 60 years from now.

If the Republican Party could change, it might be different. They seem capable of doubling down but not changing in the fundamental way that is needed. As long as they are still capable of capturing 47% of the national vote, they won't see much reason to change. But drop that down to 30% or 35% for a cycle or two and things will look a little different.
posted by flug at 12:30 PM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


I'd tune in an hour or so before that.

Wow. All I know is, I am too old for this hate-watching shit.
posted by aught at 12:32 PM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


Yeah, if I found myself at a point in my life where I was addressing the RNC (which, to be perfectly clear, could never ever EVER happen), and I was going to be on TV and everything in front of every-damn-body, and the newly-minted nominee had been on the receiving end of accusations of cozying up to white supremacists, I'm pretty sure that I would remind myself, "Self, just a note, when you're done talking, don't hold your hand in such a way that resembles Adolf Fucking Hitler."
posted by vverse23 at 12:33 PM on July 21, 2016 [16 favorites]


I am too old for this hate-watching shit

Quoted for truth. I actively change the channel. I read accounts of this awfulness, because I refuse to experience it directly.
posted by bearwife at 12:33 PM on July 21, 2016 [7 favorites]


I've lived my adult life in places where that was mostly the case.

Me too. And yeah, it mostly works. The big danger is the endorsement of the local committee giving one of the candidates a pretty unfair advantage, but things can get interesting when the various unions endorse other candidates and then you get a legitimate battle.
posted by soren_lorensen at 12:34 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


My son was watching the convention last night because he believes in knowing both sides of the story (and fully admits that Trump is crazypants and will be voting for Hillary; still, he needs to feel like he's giving each side a fair go) and I couldn't even be in the room for five minutes before I was raging.

Thank heavens these threads exist because otherwise I would ignore the whole thing because I just can't even.
posted by cooker girl at 12:35 PM on July 21, 2016 [4 favorites]


don't hold your hand in such a way that resembles Adolf Fucking Hitler.

You really need to see it in motion to see how it's a full on, snappy Hitler salute. It's really not just her holding her hand that way for a moment, this is like an ingrained muscle memory coming to life.
posted by Artw at 12:36 PM on July 21, 2016 [15 favorites]


Uh oh. Hillary did a Nazi salute. She's literally Hitler now.

You guys are as deranged as 2008 Republicans.
posted by stavrogin at 12:37 PM on July 21, 2016 [10 favorites]


Thiel is an Alpha Asshole, but he makes money every time we use Facebook and PayPal, and the government pays his Palantir when we use the internet. It's not like Trump, who slaps his name on everything he does and I can avoid supporting (and have dedicated myself to since the 1980s). So he is totally capable of picking up the Alpha Asshole banner if/when Trump fails.

And in the mind of a speaker at the RNC, what they're really consciously trying to avoid is any gesture that may make them look like a Clinton or an Obama. Which is why I giggled like a schoolgirl at the explanation that said Melania "admired Michele Obama".
posted by oneswellfoop at 12:38 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Trump Has Faulted Staffer Who Took Blame For Melania Plagiarism Before

I wonder if the nameplate on her desk says "Meredith McIver, Chief Patsy."
posted by tonycpsu at 12:40 PM on July 21, 2016 [4 favorites]


Larry/Gerry/Terry/Gary McIver
posted by cmfletcher at 12:42 PM on July 21, 2016 [4 favorites]


Uh oh. Hillary did a Nazi salute. She's literally Hitler now.

Huh, does Hillary also have an extended history of racism and homophobia blared out to the masses from a long running radio show? I wasn't aware of that.
posted by Existential Dread at 12:42 PM on July 21, 2016 [33 favorites]


Part of me thinks "Trump Chief Patsy" would have to be a very well-paying gig.
posted by oneswellfoop at 12:42 PM on July 21, 2016


How about this: if you don't want people conspiracy theorizing about your Hitler salute, maybe turn down that speaking request for a rally filled with crypto-fascists.

I mean, of course she didn't do it on purpose, but no one would have been talking about it had she not just said a bunch of quasi-Nazi horseshit before she did it.
posted by soren_lorensen at 12:43 PM on July 21, 2016 [23 favorites]


As long as they are still capable of capturing 47% of the national vote, they won't see much reason to change.

Not when they can pick off state governorships and win legislatures and rewrite district maps and inject model laws through the states. That's already diminished the Dem bench for years to come.

2020 is the year that the long-view institutional GOP salivates over: their ideal scenario would have been an institutional GOP president in that year; their Plan B is a Clinton win and four years of intransigency to undermine and then defeat her, accompanied by the kind of gerrymander that guards against demographic shifts for the best part of the decade. Their Plan C probably involves Trump getting bored (and/or impeached) and Pence taking over.
posted by holgate at 12:44 PM on July 21, 2016 [9 favorites]


>I mean, of course she didn't do it on purpose, but no one would have been talking about it had she not just said a bunch of quasi-Nazi horseshit before she did it.

also if he didn't profess to reading LITERALLY HITLER at his bedside
posted by Tevin at 12:45 PM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


Animated gif

Maybe only in private, maybe only ironically, but she totally Heils Hitler on the regs.
posted by Artw at 12:46 PM on July 21, 2016 [16 favorites]


I'm loving how the Republican commentators are trying to spin this Cruz thing as being to Trump's advantage and unifying with the base, while not realizing that they're admitting they still don't even have the base on board. They're not even trying to pretend that the convention is bringing anyone else in.
posted by bongo_x at 12:46 PM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


Vox: Donald Trump’s nomination is the first time American politics has left me truly afraid, Ezra Klein - "Back in February, I wrote that Trump is the most dangerous major candidate for president in memory. He pairs terrible ideas with an alarming temperament; he's a racist, a sexist, and a demagogue, but he's also a narcissist, a bully, and a dilettante. He lies so constantly and so fluently that it's hard to know if he even realizes he's lying. He delights in schoolyard taunts and luxuriates in backlash.

He has had plenty of time to prove me, and everyone else, wrong. But he hasn’t."

Crooked Timber: Check Your Amnesia, Dude: On the Vox Generation of Punditry, Corey Robin - " Instead, the pundits and experts were keen to establish the absolutely unprecedented nature of Trump’s irresponsibility: his recklessness when it came to NATO, his adventurism, his sheer reveling in being the Bad Boy of US Foreign Policy: this, it was agreed, was new."
posted by the man of twists and turns at 12:47 PM on July 21, 2016 [17 favorites]


That was before a prominent white supremacist ended a speech with a Bellamy salute.
posted by Pope Guilty at 12:49 PM on July 21, 2016


Nobody told Team Trump, clearly.
posted by Artw at 12:49 PM on July 21, 2016


Stavrogin, do you really not see the difference in context? Like, the ideological differences in both parties?
posted by Tarumba at 12:50 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


by what metric is Vilsack a "beta male?"

Well, a beta particle is an electron moving at relativistic speed. Is Vilsack known for his negativity?

Carrying on with nuclear physics puns, Canadian PM Justin Trudeau is a gamma male, a highly energetic beam of sunshine.

Trump is an alpha male: carcinogenic helium.
posted by justsomebodythatyouusedtoknow at 12:51 PM on July 21, 2016 [28 favorites]


For Harriet's Kimberly Foster has an interview with Rev. Leah Daughtry, the DNC CEO. The positive focus has me optimistic about the DNC's ability to empower and mobilize the party's base in ways that don't resemble an angry mob.
posted by mixedmetaphors at 12:52 PM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


Problem is, even Stravrogin does, the media will not.
posted by VTX at 12:52 PM on July 21, 2016


Wow, Artw, that gif.

Someone should splice that in with Peter Sellers in Dr. Strangelove.
posted by Existential Dread at 12:52 PM on July 21, 2016 [4 favorites]


On the bright side, the Illinois Republican Party sent a delegate packing who literally used the handle 'whitepride.'
posted by zachlipton at 12:54 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


Stavrogin is arguing the "salute" itself means nothing. And that's true. The thing is, the picture sums up the rest of what is going on -- the way Trump has been blatantly race baiting (as well as hateful to almost every other minority), demagogic, emitting one Big Lie after another, and signaling his affinity to every strong man dictator out there. He's a modern fascist, and he is energizing all the other modern fascists and haters. So, in this context, that picture conveys a whole hell of a lot, while HRC "saluting" conveys nothing other than that she waves at people.
posted by bearwife at 12:55 PM on July 21, 2016 [4 favorites]


[Couple comments deleted. stavrogin, just cool it, you've made your objection, people disagree, fine. If you want to talk about moderation, bring it to the contact form or MeTa, not on the blue.]
posted by LobsterMitten (staff) at 12:56 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


I hear you, I just think that when holocaust survivors are comparing Trump to Hitler themselves, this might be an exception to the rule.
posted by Tarumba at 12:56 PM on July 21, 2016 [22 favorites]


From upthread: Forget Trump: Peter Thiel Is So Dangerous and Fascinating You Have to Watch Him Tonight

I haven't finished that Intercept piece that was linked, but searching it, it doesn't seem to mention this creepy organization that Thiel is scheduled to speak to in September, the "Property and Freedom Society." "But beyond the libertarian academics, economists, and business leaders from across Europe and the U.S. who attend and speak at its conferences, the Property and Freedom Society has welcomed white nationalists, including several of the most prominent white nationalists in America. "
posted by dnash at 12:57 PM on July 21, 2016 [4 favorites]


This will surely win the election.

I'm sorry, are we not allowed to note a gesture that encapsulates the career of someone who has been a boil on the arse of American political life ever since she and d'Souza were fulminating about "campus sodomites" and outing members of the Gay-Straight Alliance at Dartmouth in the 80s?
posted by holgate at 12:57 PM on July 21, 2016 [8 favorites]


Watching the gif a few times, I kind of feel like she knows exactly what she's doing. Look at the expression on her face when she waves/salutes; kind of a pursed-lips "ain't I just a little stinker?" smirk.
posted by The Card Cheat at 12:57 PM on July 21, 2016 [13 favorites]


Crooked Timber: Check Your Amnesia, Dude: On the Vox Generation of Punditry, Corey Robin - " Instead, the pundits and experts were keen to establish the absolutely unprecedented nature of Trump’s irresponsibility: his recklessness when it came to NATO, his adventurism, his sheer reveling in being the Bad Boy of US Foreign Policy: this, it was agreed, was new."

Thank you for this, which took a thing I've been thinking through this election cycle and fed it some historical context which I'm too young to provide myself:
A lot of these pundits and reporters are younger, part of the Vox generation of journalism. Unlike the older generation of journalists, whose calling card was that they know how to pick up a phone and track down a lead, the signature of this younger crew is that they know their way around J-STOR.

Many of them have read the most up-to-date social science as well as the best history, from Ira Katznelson to Eric Foner and so on. Bouie, in particular, is among the most talented and learned of his generation. His articles, even when I disagree with them, are well-researched and grounded in the latest scholarship.

Yet so many of them seem to lack the most basic gut impulse of any historically minded person: if you think something is unprecedented, it’s probably not.
posted by rorgy at 12:58 PM on July 21, 2016 [9 favorites]


The best part is the recovery "Heil er hello! I mean hello." Like everything else about the convention, the bumbling is way more damaging than the fascist content. Because fuck, if you're going to be a fascist that's kinda a prerequisite right, you have to at least be strong and effective otherwise you're less Il Duce and more Rufus T. Firefly.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 12:58 PM on July 21, 2016 [9 favorites]


I'm reminded of the "Heil-- hail the Wehrmacht, I mean the Bundeswehr" line from Tom Lehrer's "MLF".
posted by tobascodagama at 1:00 PM on July 21, 2016 [4 favorites]


A great quote from Tarumba's link:

One of the things people used to say about Hitler when he rose to power in the early 1930’s was that he was saying it like it is,” my dad told me over the phone from Tel Aviv. “They thought he was a bit of a clown, with his big speeches and over-the-top showmanship, but they also admired his ability to say what everyone thought, but didn’t dare say out loud.”
posted by bearwife at 1:01 PM on July 21, 2016 [35 favorites]




Those are not innately at odds. I expect there are a lot of first-to-Nth generation Hispanic immigrants who also want there to be a rationally devised, evenly applied legal immigration path, and that oppose the actions of those who would circumvent it.
No, they're not innately at odds, but I hate the way that this gets weaponized: "All you LEGAL immigrants should resent people jumping the line!"

Because I'm a legal immigrant, and I find everything about the process of immigration frustrating and terrifying, and while in theory I MIGHT be able to get behind stronger/better/faster immigration procedures, eventually I always come back to feeling a sense of solidarity with immigrants no matter how they got to the US - and I know that I have a lot of privilege for an immigrant (being white and anglophone) I can't help feeling that blowback against illegal immigrants always ends up targeting legal ones too -- like how North Carolina passed that law that you had to have it marked on your driver's license if you're not a citizen!
posted by Jeanne at 1:04 PM on July 21, 2016 [33 favorites]


bearwife: So, in this context, that picture conveys a whole hell of a lot, while HRC "saluting" conveys nothing other than that she waves at people.

To us. To the people who believe that the Nazis were leftist - they have "Socialist" right in their name! - it's Clinton's armwave that conveys that stormtroopers and concentration camps and etc. are right around the corner.

But seizing on either handwave is preaching to the choir; they're the only ones who won't roll their eyes. Steve King's comments on the "white race" strike me as much more useful if you want to point out the racism that happened at the RNC.
posted by clawsoon at 1:07 PM on July 21, 2016 [6 favorites]


Watching the gif a few times, I kind of feel like she knows exactly what she's doing.

Context of a wave is important, sure, but as noted, it is also about non-verbal communication to a significant number of audience members in the convention (and outside) who are sympathetic to white supremacist ideas. We see you, hear you and want to reach out to you.

When it come to Nazi salutes, it's the audience that damns the candidate, just as much as the candidate himself and his guest speakers.
posted by a lungful of dragon at 1:08 PM on July 21, 2016 [4 favorites]


Comic-Con San Diego starts today and has a "Video-On-Demand" site

I am going to have to start tormenting my Sims again to let off steam.


These are very good suggestions.

Some homework before Trump's speech that Chris Hayes just posted on twitter: convention speeches from GWB '04, Buchanan '92, and Nixon '68.
posted by Gaz Errant at 1:09 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


The concept of "illegal" immigration was racist bullshit from the beginning:

See the Chinese Exclusion Act
posted by Zalzidrax at 1:10 PM on July 21, 2016 [9 favorites]


Jeanne: I can't help feeling that blowback against illegal immigrants always ends up targeting legal ones too

Yeah, somehow they never have a big push to round up illegal Canadian immigrants.
posted by clawsoon at 1:11 PM on July 21, 2016 [6 favorites]


But seizing on either handwave is preaching to the choir; they're the only ones who won't roll their eyes.

I'd say it's comic relief. The spectacle of unbridled racism and hatred at the RNC is pretty hard to bear witness to, so when someone whose ideology fits in quite well with actual fascist beliefs unintentionally does a Hitler wave for a brief moment, there's value in capturing that moment and laughing at it. Yes, it's for the choir, but I don't see it as preaching -- more like giving them an air conditioner and some water so they can get through a long day of rehearsal.
posted by tonycpsu at 1:11 PM on July 21, 2016 [11 favorites]


C'mon, guys. The only reason anyone is even blinking at Laura Ingraham's gesture is all the other batshit fascism and racism going on at this convention. You all make way too much out of silly things like context. Sheesh.
posted by scaryblackdeath at 1:12 PM on July 21, 2016 [4 favorites]


Just dropping in to mention that Paul Ryan fixed that intern picture and it's much better now.
posted by carsonb at 1:14 PM on July 21, 2016 [17 favorites]


Man, that wave. Yeah, the beginning looks like a Nazi salute. Doesn't look deliberate, especially since the rest looks like she realized what she had done and tried to cover.

Convention's been filled with fascistic speeches. This feels like a visual reminder of that. Not that we needed one.
posted by zarq at 1:14 PM on July 21, 2016


To the people who believe that the Nazis were leftist

I have to say, this is the kind of thing that makes me want to just give up, or at least punch a wall, whether it's because of the ignorami who don't know any better because they thought history class was stupid and uncool, or the cynical right-wing flaks who spread deliberate misinformation.
posted by aught at 1:14 PM on July 21, 2016 [8 favorites]


So, in this context, that picture conveys a whole hell of a lot, while HRC "saluting" conveys nothing other than that she waves at people.

The still shot of Hillary with her arm out tells you nothing; that could be the middle of a princess wave, elbow locked, hand swishing. Ingraham's motion was very much like a Heil Hitler going out.

Does anyone have a video or GIF or Hillary's "Nazi salute"? The only sources there are Daily Caller and a parody site, so the perception does not seem to be widespread.
posted by msalt at 1:15 PM on July 21, 2016


Because I'm a legal immigrant, and I find everything about the process of immigration frustrating and terrifying, and while in theory I MIGHT be able to get behind stronger/better/faster immigration procedures, eventually I always come back to feeling a sense of solidarity with immigrants no matter how they got to the US

I'm in that position, because any conversation with Americans-from-birth citizens makes clear how little they know about their country's immigration system, even as they get to vote for the people who determine it. It's the one area of government where they're mostly pig ignorant. Oh, and all those 'are you a citizen or an illegal immigrant?' conversations, too.

But seizing on either handwave is preaching to the choir

Ingraham fancied herself to be the telegenic right-wing gobshite of choice for this election cycle. Now if she tries to broaden her range beyond her own radio show and Fox News, there's an animated GIF.
posted by holgate at 1:15 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


"Self, just a note, when you're done talking, don't hold your hand in such a way that resembles Adolf Fucking Hitler."

"Don't make a Nazi salute, don't make a Nazi salute, don't make a--d'oh!"
posted by EarBucket at 1:15 PM on July 21, 2016 [13 favorites]


Eponysterical.
posted by zombieflanders at 1:16 PM on July 21, 2016


Yeah, somehow they never have a big push to round up illegal Canadian immigrants.

San Francisco is full of undocumented Chinese immigrants and also a lot of undocumented Irish. Even at the peak of Pete Wilson's immigrant bashing in the 90s, with Minutemen patrolling the desert, no one expressed the slightest concern about yellow or white "aliens."
posted by msalt at 1:17 PM on July 21, 2016 [6 favorites]


Ingraham is a shitpile in heels but yes, I do have a hard time believing that she is a card-carrying Stormfront member. Her speech bothered me more than her gesture.
posted by delfin at 1:17 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


corb,
The Washington delegation is in the RNC doghouse. They're not having our bus leave until right before convention showtime to keep us from talking to reporters.

Well, apparently our state's delegation lead was in full-blown true believer mode, anyway. Word is she had to be dragged away from Cruz after screaming at him that he was a traitor to the party.

Have you heard anything about this on the ground?
posted by scaryblackdeath at 1:19 PM on July 21, 2016


I'm in that position, because any conversation with Americans-from-birth citizens makes clear how little they know about their country's immigration system, even as they get to vote for the people who determine it. It's the one area of government where they're mostly pig ignorant.

This seems to be even true of politicians. They keep spouting off about "just go home and come back legally" as though illegal immigrants are just lazy people who couldn't be bothered to fill out some paperwork. Our legal immigration system is a mess.
posted by zachlipton at 1:20 PM on July 21, 2016 [5 favorites]




Crooked Timber: Check Your Amnesia, Dude: On the Vox Generation of Punditry

I'm glad someone's pointing out the amnesia. Trump is a new thing in many ways, but the Dubya administration ended only 8 years ago and had a lot of the same elements. The Tea Party is even more recent and is clearly an evolutionary ancestor of Trumpiness. The fact that Trump can make Bush, and many of the teabaggers, look reasonable by comparison doesn't excuse the forgetfulness of what the GOP has done. I don't mind explaining to a clueless college student on Reddit why the Bush years were a very low point for the country, but the pros should know better and should be keeping all of this in perspective.
posted by honestcoyote at 1:25 PM on July 21, 2016 [10 favorites]


Lock and load, folks. Get your popcorn ready.
posted by delfin at 1:25 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


I can't imagine why anyone would seize on the gesture to prove how much the Trump phenomenon is deeply racist and fascist. What proves that is what Trump has blatantly said, and how enthusiastic others of that ilk are about him. The gesture itself proves nothing, but it nicely summarizes what's going on.
posted by bearwife at 1:25 PM on July 21, 2016 [5 favorites]


Trump's waffling on NATO has prompted Lindsey Graham to declare that Vladimir Putin is a "very happy man" (via TPM).

While I disagree with Senator Graham on most everything, I've really respected that he has stood up to Trump in a way that Ryan, McConnell, et al. have been too cowardly to do. Ironic that the man who holds Strom Thurmond's seat is the one noting the racism and xenophobia of Republican nominee.
posted by Excommunicated Cardinal at 1:28 PM on July 21, 2016 [19 favorites]


bearwife, that's what's so frustrating about the whole thing. CNN (my office plays it on the wall across from me) keeps focusing on the ephemera, the gestures, the bluster, the gaffs, and says absolutely nothing about the actual substance of the event.
posted by rebent at 1:29 PM on July 21, 2016 [10 favorites]


> Bruce Bartlett (of the Reagan and Bush I administrations) on the current state of the Republican party.

I really like that, contrary to a lot of "what's gone wrong with the GOP?" hand-wringing I've seen lately, he owns up to the fact that the party he is (was?) a part of has been driven by hate since at least the 1960s.
posted by a mirror and an encyclopedia at 1:29 PM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


In all honesty, I don't think Ingraham gave a Nazi salute.
This convention absolutely earned her plenty of mockery and ribbing for it, though. But, like Melania's plagiarism, it'd be nice if we didn't see any serious fixation on it when there are far more serious, awful things going on here.
(But she still totally deserves the mockery.)
posted by scaryblackdeath at 1:30 PM on July 21, 2016 [4 favorites]


(No disrespect intended to the minority of Republicans like corb who seem like reasonable folks.)
posted by a mirror and an encyclopedia at 1:30 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


In all honesty, I don't think Ingraham gave a Nazi salute

I strongly dislike her but I tend to agree with you. I think she was going for either a wave or a point to the crowd and she ended up taking the worst element from each and it came off looking like that.
posted by splen at 1:32 PM on July 21, 2016 [6 favorites]


> I really like that, contrary to a lot of "what's gone wrong with the GOP?" hand-wringing I've seen lately, he owns up to the fact that the party he is (was?) a part of has been driven by hate since at least the 1960s.

Yeah, but nothing about anything Reagan did to help the process along.
posted by The Card Cheat at 1:33 PM on July 21, 2016


November will tell us a lot. But I think the idea that Romney's campaign was indeed the high-water mark of the Republican Party in the post-Bush era is perhaps the most likely way this era of politics will be summarized in history books 20 or 40 or 60 years from now.

For some number of years the Republican party has been a coalition of factions held together by an "establishment" and relying on votes from the "base" (assumed to be more or less Christian, suburban-to-rural, and middle class at a minimum). It's assumed that the base will vote however the establishment says to vote, which frees up the establishment to make expedient deals with whatever faction is on the upswing (e.g. the Contract on, um, for America people in the 90s, the Tea Party Patriots in the last decade) in order to reach a majority.

Romney's failure was a sign the coalition itself was collapsing. The much-publicized post-mortem was an accurate analysis, but the establishment failed to do anything useful with it. This is worth probably a couple decades' worth of doctoral theses, but a few truths are obvious:

First, the base isn't as large or as healthy as it used to be, and demographics are changing in such a way that it's likely to both shrink in number and become even more geographically concentrated than it already is, reducing its power to affect national elections.

Second, the establishment is increasingly feckless. Part of playing to the base has always been selling a lie — establishment Republicans believe more in deregulation and big business than rank and file voters do, but they've always been able to get people to vote for that kind of platform. Part of that ability relied on the smoke filled rooms and pliable press that would have produced an establishment candidate with at least a chance of getting elected. Four years ago they produced Romney. Oops. This year they had Jeb, sort of a poster boy for fecklessness, and Rubio, sold as "popular" without any actual grassroots popularity, and who also proved himself an utterly non-viable candidate through a single policy reversal on immigration that left both minorities and the Tea Party furious. Neither candidate managed to amass any enthusiastic following, and there went the establishment's main and backup plans.

Third: while the postmortem spelled out a way back to a viable coalition, nobody actually did anything to beat back the thing that lost the last two elections: the idea that the problem wasn't growing the base, the problem was that they were just Not Conservative Enough. Not Conservative Enough is what booted Boehner. It's what caused the shutdown. It's what doomed McCain, and imperiled the party in 2012, leaving them with Romney as a last best (or least worst) choice because nobody else even wanted to risk it. Republicans are getting caught up in the lowest level battles for house seats (where Not Conservative Enough can actually change the outcome of a primary for a safe seat), and they're making the last, probably most crucial error:

They all assume their coalition is larger than it is. So, if you're Cruz you assume that there's really a large base of people who are ultra-conservative in both the religious and political senses; if you're Rubio you assume there's still a base that does what it's told to do; if you're Jeb you assume you have the same base your brother did. Some of it is epistemic closure at the upper levels of the party, but a lot of it is just "the lurkers are with me by email." And at the ground level it's really easy to live a life where you never encounter anybody unlike you, so people tend to assume that all the people they don't see on a daily basis have the same values they do.

To loop this back to what we saw last night: Cruz didn't just make one bet, he made two. Obviously he bet that Trump will lose. Less obviously, he bet that the fact the establishment hates him won't hurt him in four years. Why not? Well, (A) he can also see that they're increasingly feckless, and (2) he thinks Not Conservative Enough will be a viable in a Trump-style campaign that doesn't even try to appeal to the base. I think Cruz assumes that the next time around it will be every man for himself, and his campaign for that started last night.
posted by fedward at 1:33 PM on July 21, 2016 [32 favorites]


Since Ivanka is speaking tonight and looking to overturn stereotypical views of working women, CBS has given us a little flash back to her father's views oh so long ago, in 2008.

Also, though I doubt the RNC attendees care, Trump is getting plenty of criticism, including from McConnell, over his reckless NATO comments to the NYT.
posted by bearwife at 1:34 PM on July 21, 2016


There's a non-zero chance that Trump's security briefing will include a bit of "Hey, Don, we have very specific evidence of your back-door collusion with Putin. Don't make us use it."
posted by yesster at 1:37 PM on July 21, 2016 [10 favorites]


>The plot thickens: Democratic PAC Files FEC Complaint Over Melania Trump's RNC Speech

>"McIver's involvement in the speechwriting is a violation of campaign finance law because she has received no compensation from the campaign but is an employee of the Trump Organization. "


I've pointed out before that one of Trump's "innovations" is using his own paid company staff, rather than hiring outside, dedicated, trained, experienced political staffers, as the backbone of his local campaign staff in various states across the U.S., and presumably as his national campaign staff, too. This has been routine throughout his campaign.

Presumably they have lawyers etc etc etc and have figured out a legal way to do this. Likely, all they have to do is have the staffers track time spent on the campaign and then bill that through to the campaign. Then the campaign reimburses the company for that time. Or they enter the amount as a donation from the company to the campaign. Or whatever. Point is, there should be some legal way to do this, if you work it right. In previous FEC disclosures, folks have been curious about why the campaign is paying Trump companies fairly large amounts of money. Arrangements like this are likely to be a big part of those amounts.

Of course, this is the Trump campaign and so literally anything is possible. Maybe Trump just hollers "Do this!" "Do that!" "Fetch me this!" "Slap some kind of a speech together for Melania - and hop to it!" and such out of his office door, and people just do it by reflex because that is what they always have, and nobody has thought it through further than that.
posted by flug at 1:38 PM on July 21, 2016 [9 favorites]


I can only hope at this point tonight ends up like the end of The Wave where Ron Jones gets up in front of the assembly, displays a picture of Hitler and booms out "I am not your leader. HERE IS YOUR LEADER!"
posted by Talez at 1:40 PM on July 21, 2016 [6 favorites]


Ugh. You guys. Work is super busy, and I'm saying fuck it and going out drinking tonight, because I can't deal with the Donald. Did I miss anything? Is Big Bird going to be Hillary's running mate? Has anyone spontaneously combusted yet?
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 1:43 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


Yeah, but nothing about anything Reagan did to help the process along.

Baby steps, I guess?
posted by Gaz Errant at 1:46 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


> Did I miss anything?
newt gingrich exploded into bats
posted by Tevin at 1:47 PM on July 21, 2016 [56 favorites]


Michael Moore thinks Trump is going to win.

I don't agree with Moore's conclusion, but I agree with his reasoning. Complacency is going to create an American Brexit. Maybe the EVs will prevent a Trump presidency, the system restrains the mob (what an ironic road we've tread since 2000!), but all of those voters and rally attenders will still be there tomorrow. They will be there throughout the Clinton presidency, and after.

Best people start planning for the long-term instead of going, "oh ho ho, demographic shifts will inevitably keep them out of the White House, all of those angry disaffected blue collar white people will gamely go back to what they were doing before."
posted by Apocryphon at 1:48 PM on July 21, 2016 [12 favorites]


Lock and load, folks. Get your popcorn ready.

snort. The Full Buchanan.

I always though the Dream GOP Ticket would be Pat Buchanan and Alan Keyes. Piss EVERYONE off.
posted by mikelieman at 1:49 PM on July 21, 2016


What Happened When a Muslim Tried to Explain Shariah at the RNC

Full disclosure: I made it about 20 seconds into the Christiansplaining before I had to turn it off in disgust. Maybe one of you lot will get further.
posted by soren_lorensen at 1:49 PM on July 21, 2016 [7 favorites]


From upthread someone mentioned that 30 years ago we would have only seen clips of these convention speeches, but I remember when the conventions were broadcast live all day on every channel and it was a big thing. I remember my parents crying while watching the Democratic convention in 1968, while we were on vacation. That was another rough year.

[The other 24-hour news extravaganzas I remember fondly from childhood were the Watergate hearings and Bobby Fischer/Boris Spassky chess championship - both broadcast live on PBS. We were weird kids.

(I was out of the country for the impeachment proceedings) .]

posted by maggiemaggie at 1:50 PM on July 21, 2016 [17 favorites]


I'm sure Trump has every plan on still eking out as much money as he can from this presidential run. He said during the last election that he could run for president and turn a profit and he trying to do just that. He did get called on his 'self-financing' which were actually loans that I'm sure he planned on getting the best interest rate he could get legally. So now he's going to bill for use of his properties and his staff at the highest rates possible. And the lawsuits that will be engendered by any oversight in to his shenanigans will cost the government millions. He's planning on billing the campaign for any staff he sees fit to use as 'contractors'.

He is the just that kind of litigious asshole.

I noticed that in his tweets he always says 'if' I am elected while his children and other minions say 'when' he is elected. Interesting, I still think he is scamming with only a half-hearted interest in winning. Or win but still get to play billionaire on TV.
posted by readery at 1:50 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


Again, if you wish to see GOOD convention content, the Comic-ConHQ site has a LIVE interview with Nichelle Nichols right now.
posted by oneswellfoop at 1:51 PM on July 21, 2016 [8 favorites]


flug, I think that last statement is likely closer to the reality. It is also an egregious violation of all the rules that were put there for legitimately good reasons.
I'm friends with some folks who work in Bernie Sander's local Senate office and one thing I will say is that they are scrupulous about tracking time and activities and being abundantly clear about what they are doing as employees in that capacity versus on their own time or for any other entity. That is how it should be.
posted by meinvt at 1:52 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


Presumably they have lawyers etc etc etc and have figured out a legal way to do this.

Based on what I've seen, I'd say that they didn't bother checking. This is amateur hour. I feel that anyone who wants a career in managing campaigns past this year is staying the hell away, and the Ringmaster is still under the delusion that he's in control, while in reality, it's the clowns.

Consider that their first instinct when the plagiarism thing came up was to blame Hillary Clinton for fabricating a non-existent controversy because Mrs. Trump is a woman -- or something.

I've seen this before. There's no real 'executive management team', and the people at the top

(1) Don't know what they're doing RUNNING A CAMPAIGN

and

(2) Don't have any seasoned pros to provide context and useful counsel ( "Don't do that." )
posted by mikelieman at 1:54 PM on July 21, 2016 [8 favorites]


Shit, sounds like any number of software sole-props and startups I know of...
posted by mikelieman at 1:55 PM on July 21, 2016


Moore's map has Trump winning every Romney state along with Michigan, Ohio, PA, and Wisconsin. Pulling that off would require a level of broad appeal and organisation that is completely absent from the Trump campaign right now.

I don't think Trump will win, but honestly, with this election, with the times we live in right now, I don't even think those things matter anymore. Certainly not organization- Trump has gotten this far by spending an unprecedented low amount of money and manpower.
posted by Apocryphon at 1:55 PM on July 21, 2016


I have story about hand gestures that look like Nazi salutes!

A few years back, we had a big assembly at my school. We had a new principal at the time.

Now, our school chaplain was a lovely, guile-less Unitarian who leaned hippie. He was everything you'd want a Christian to be - really lived "do unto others" every day of his life.

Well, at this assembly welcoming the new principal, he suggested everyone in attendance needed to send positive energy to the new principal. He suggested everyone raise their right hand and send positive thoughts and prayers to the principal. I gasped. I said to a fellow teacher "does this look like what I think it looks like?" He nodded, ashen-faced. We both spread our fingers open and half raised our arms hoping some of the people around us would get the hint.

A chunk of the student clearly understood the optics. There was a lot of uncomfortable tittering (and some obnoxious laughter) as the students complied with the instructions. The new principal looked mortified.

I noticed that our PR guy was taking pictures during the event and asked my fellow teacher "you don't think he's going to put pictures of kids making the Nazi salute online do you?"

Sure enough, 30 minutes later, there was a photo of six smiling children with their arms raised on the front page of our website. Wisely, the new principal had it taken down within ten minutes.

Our poor chaplain was appalled when he realized how it looked and did a months worth of chapels on antisemitism and loving people of all backgrounds. Really good guy, just didn't think through how that particular gesture looked out of context.
posted by Joey Michaels at 1:57 PM on July 21, 2016 [34 favorites]




I don't even think those things matter anymore. Certainly not organization- Trump has gotten this far by spending an unprecedented low amount of money and manpower.

All that tells you is it might not matter. And it really might not. But the general election is fundamentally different to the primaries, and it's also possible that all the accepted wisdom about how campaigns are won might reassert itself in this context.

I'm not downplaying the threat of Trump. There are a number of conceivable ways he could win. But I think it's easier to convince people of the threat he poses if we state it as accurately and precisely as possible.
posted by howfar at 2:02 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


For the record (and I don't know why this seems significant to me, but it seems on topic with some of the plagiarism jokes), four score and seven years ago (1929) was the stock market crash leading to the Great Depression.
posted by dances_with_sneetches at 2:06 PM on July 21, 2016 [11 favorites]


Pre-release copies of Thiel's speech tonight indicate that he will openly talk about being gay and proud. And that he will be taking the stage right after Jerry Falwell.
posted by codacorolla at 2:07 PM on July 21, 2016 [5 favorites]


In another unpleasant bit of counter-programming to the RNC, Roger Ailes just resigned as CEO of Fox News. Shock waves.
posted by RedOrGreen at 2:08 PM on July 21, 2016 [12 favorites]


For the record (and I don't know why this seems significant to me, but it seems on topic with some of the plagiarism jokes), four score and seven years ago (1929) was the stock market crash leading to the Great Depression.

Are we... in the process of electing the anti-FDR?
posted by Apocryphon at 2:08 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


Work program: Build a Wall! Social program: Intern the illegals!
posted by stolyarova at 2:10 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Wait wait wait, Cruz gave a speech about voting your conscience and "voting up and down the ticket" to defend freedom before "giving your loved one a final kiss goodbye," and didn't say vote Trump? Isn't that implicitly endorsing Clinton?
posted by Kevin Street at 2:11 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Will Thiel talk openly about being a white supremacist and proud, or being a misogynist and proud? I hope the Log Cabin Republicans put out a statement in protest to Thiel. What a crap person. I wish he were straight so I had less in common with him.
posted by yesster at 2:12 PM on July 21, 2016 [13 favorites]


Stolen from a friend: Peter Thiel is the Log Mansion Republican
posted by tonycpsu at 2:14 PM on July 21, 2016 [16 favorites]


I wish he were straight so I had less in common with him.

I think all carbon-based lifeforms have similar concerns.
posted by howfar at 2:14 PM on July 21, 2016 [16 favorites]


Michael Moore thinks Trump is going to win.

For reasons which seem to be, basically, "I think he's going to win." I mean, I don't know if Trump's going to win or not and neither do you, Michael, but Jesus Christ, if you're going to make predictions try to back them up with something other than gut feelings.
posted by octobersurprise at 2:14 PM on July 21, 2016 [4 favorites]


Jesus Christ, if you're going to make predictions try to back them up with something other than gut feelings.

Why would you expect Michael Moore to make such a drastic reversal of approach at this point in his career?
posted by howfar at 2:16 PM on July 21, 2016 [11 favorites]


You're right. It's obviously paid dividends in the past.
posted by octobersurprise at 2:18 PM on July 21, 2016


Moore's map has Trump winning every Romney state along with Michigan, Ohio, PA, and Wisconsin.

Just to drive home how ridiculous this is: the last time those four states all voted R in the same presidential election was 1984, in Reagan's landslide re-election year. That was also the last time WI voted R in a presidential race.

For MI and PA, the last presidential R win was 1988: Bush Sr. vs. Dukakis.

I see no indication of those trends changing.
posted by gimonca at 2:18 PM on July 21, 2016 [6 favorites]


Isn't that implicitly endorsing Clinton?

Cruz said in that press conference clip that he would definitely not be voting for Clinton. I suppose he will vote for Gary Johnson. Or write himself in.
posted by mrjohnmuller at 2:21 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


I think Cruz will either write in his own name or end up voting for Trump anyway. He's not going to publicly endorse a candidate running as pro choice.
posted by Drinky Die at 2:24 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Cruz is voting 100% Batboy Ticket for 2016
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 2:24 PM on July 21, 2016 [6 favorites]


I'm not linking it, because Breitbart. But they currently have an article titled
***2016 LiveWire*** TX Delegates Confront Cruz: ‘Your Word Is Your Bond’
My irony meter is broken.
posted by Mister Fabulous at 2:27 PM on July 21, 2016 [11 favorites]


So we already got the backlighting + dry ice, how the Orange One going to make his entrance tonight? Jetpack? Monster truck? What will the soundtrack be? I'm thinking "Also Sprach Zarathustra" but I could also see him using "Ride of the Valkyries." A slim chance he might use "O Fortuna," but I think he's going to keep the cryptofascist theme going.
posted by entropicamericana at 2:27 PM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


Complacency is going to create an American Brexit.

From where? Perhaps from white liberals in filter bubbles who think minorities will do the heavy lifting (and endure the longest lines and most harassment and intimidation) as long as they themselves show up in November. But I don't see that from the Clinton campaign. And if there's anything likely to blow away those cobwebs, it's the candidate who'll be selling the darkest timeline tonight.
posted by holgate at 2:28 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Isn't that implicitly endorsing Clinton?

Sort of, but I think that's a misleading way to read it, and is almost certainly not Cruz's intent. I don't believe Cruz expects many people hearing him say that, at the Convention, would want to vote Clinton. It's more addressed to people looking for an excuse to vote no one (ie, to vote for down-ballot candidates but not for Trump; or else to note vote at all), or for an excuse to vote third-party. It's an implicit endorsement of party disloyalty.
posted by cjelli at 2:30 PM on July 21, 2016 [4 favorites]


> What will the soundtrack be? I'm thinking "Also Sprach Zarathustra" but I could also see him using "Ride of the Valkyries."

Way too highbrow.
posted by The Card Cheat at 2:30 PM on July 21, 2016 [4 favorites]


He's coming out to Jack White's High Ball Stepper
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 2:31 PM on July 21, 2016


People often seem to forget that a lot of perfectly legal immigrants are completely denied voting rights.
posted by srboisvert at 2:32 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


He even gave a nod to gays and Muslims and atheists and honored the family of Alton Sterling (which was met with stunned silence by the crowd.)
Just read that about the Cruz speech. Huh. Yeah, I imagine that would've been met by silence.

What's next, Cruz follows corb's lead and volunteers for Clinton?
posted by clawsoon at 2:35 PM on July 21, 2016 [7 favorites]


I bet Trump comes out to Real American because this entire campaign is about being pissed off that Obama humiliated him.
posted by Drinky Die at 2:36 PM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]






Today's theory: Trump wants to win so that he can pull a Sukarno. He'll get Russian intelligence to lure him into an orgy with spies disguised as flight attendants, and then he'll release the footage in order to prove his manhood.
posted by clawsoon at 2:40 PM on July 21, 2016


(Although with the NATO thing this may not be the time for a song with lines about how real Americans can't let it slide when someone hurts their friends.)
posted by Drinky Die at 2:41 PM on July 21, 2016


I want him to ride in on a Segway while "The Final Countdown" plays.
posted by Huffy Puffy at 2:42 PM on July 21, 2016 [33 favorites]




What will the soundtrack be? I'm thinking "Also Sprach Zarathustra" but I could also see him using "Ride of the Valkyries."

You may be kidding, but...
posted by Joey Buttafoucault at 2:46 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


What will the soundtrack be? I'm thinking "Also Sprach Zarathustra" but I could also see him using "Ride of the Valkyries."

Stranglehold and AR-15s.
posted by Celsius1414 at 2:46 PM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


How will he step on his dick today?
posted by kirkaracha at 2:46 PM on July 21, 2016


Goosestep, probably
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 2:47 PM on July 21, 2016 [10 favorites]


I'm kinda wondering if it would be The Man In Black, just to continue the theme of wildly inappropriate musical selections.
posted by kalimac at 2:48 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Here's hoping Trump's entrance is a Ballmer.
posted by PenDevil at 2:48 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


He smashes Eastwood's chair?
posted by Artw at 2:49 PM on July 21, 2016


I love how every time Trump fucks up, people like Mitch McConnell STILL have to tip-toe around him like he's a spoiled kid they're trying to placate so he won't throw a tantrum, rather than the Republican Party nominee for the Presidency.

"Oh, he threatened to leave NATO allies to their own devices in the event that they're attacked? Well, geez, that's just a rookie mistake anyone could make. Donald's a good boy, really he is, and I'm sure once he's our candidate he'll start eating his vegetables and doing his homework."
posted by The Card Cheat at 2:49 PM on July 21, 2016 [11 favorites]


That first bit of Carmina Burana that gets played in movie trailers
posted by angrycat at 2:50 PM on July 21, 2016 [4 favorites]


This plays while Christie stands behind him holding his newly made RNC championship belt
posted by cmfletcher at 2:50 PM on July 21, 2016 [4 favorites]


What will the soundtrack be?

3 a.m. Eternal?
posted by mikelieman at 2:52 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


What will the soundtrack be? I'm thinking "Also Sprach Zarathustra" but I could also see him using "Ride of the Valkyries."

Perhaps a reworking of Digital Underground's "The Humpty Dance," only with Trump instead of Hump and lots of white people. "The Trumpty Dance."
posted by mosk at 2:53 PM on July 21, 2016 [6 favorites]


What will the soundtrack be?

Who are we kidding, we all know what it must be.
posted by mikelieman at 2:55 PM on July 21, 2016


4'33"?
posted by AJaffe at 2:55 PM on July 21, 2016 [12 favorites]


Just to really fuck with us, he'll come out to an instrumental version of "Springtime for Hitler".

Or "We Are the Champions" again because he's mad that Brian May said he couldn't use it.
posted by tobascodagama at 2:55 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


New World Order by Ministry and he comes out riding George Herbert Bush like a pony.
posted by Artw at 2:55 PM on July 21, 2016 [13 favorites]


At this point I'm half expecting a non-ironical use of Laibach's Birth of Nation.
posted by Hairy Lobster at 2:56 PM on July 21, 2016 [4 favorites]


New World Order by Ministry and he comes out riding George Herbert Bush like a pony.

Or perhaps Just One Fix in a moment of clarity nod to his all-consuming need for public adulation.
posted by Existential Dread at 2:57 PM on July 21, 2016


At this point I'm half expecting a non-ironical use of Laibach's Birth of Nation.

...and he's wearing one of their Bavarian hunting uniforms.
posted by Artw at 2:57 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]




> Perhaps a reworking of Digital Underground's "The Humpty Dance," only with Trump instead of Hump and lots of white people. "The Trumpty Dance."

All right!
Stop whatcha doin'
'cause I'm about to ruin
the image and the style that ya used to.
I look funny,
but yo I'm makin' money, see
so yo world I hope you're ready for me.
Now gather round
I'm the new fool in town
and my sound's laid down by the Underground.
I drink up all the Hennessey ya got on ya shelf
so just let me introduce myself
My name is Humpty, pronounced with a Umpty.
Yo ladies, oh how I like to hump thee.

Apart from the part about drinking all the Hennessey, he wouldn't have to change much so far...
posted by The Card Cheat at 2:58 PM on July 21, 2016 [11 favorites]


You're So Vain

American Idiot

The Earth Died Screaming
posted by kyrademon at 2:59 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


That's DOCTOR Brian May, Commander of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire, to you!
posted by mikelieman at 2:59 PM on July 21, 2016 [11 favorites]


Michael Moore thinks Trump is going to win.

If Moore said, "I think Clinton is going to win," would that help Moore sell more books? Probably not.
posted by My Dad at 3:00 PM on July 21, 2016 [7 favorites]




He'll come out to a biblically wrathful earthquake that will shake the very foundation of the state, and which also will be mistaken by the faithful as a sign of Godly approval.

From the rubble, beasts emerge
posted by dng at 3:00 PM on July 21, 2016 [4 favorites]


Can you imagine the music if the Republicans didn't borrow from musicians who oppose them? One continuous loop of Cat Scratch Fever.
posted by dances_with_sneetches at 3:01 PM on July 21, 2016 [6 favorites]


That's DOCTOR Brian May, Commander of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire, to you!

Quite correct! Apologies to Dr. May.
posted by tobascodagama at 3:01 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Trump is one politician who could unironically use Randy Newman's Political Science
posted by oneswellfoop at 3:02 PM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


> Can you imagine the music if the Republicans didn't borrow from musicians who oppose them? One continuous loop of Cat Scratch Fever.

Also the Ramones, sadly.
posted by The corpse in the library at 3:03 PM on July 21, 2016


Yeah, but only the guitar. joey Ramone cowrote "Bonzo Goes to Bitburg", after all.
posted by Pope Guilty at 3:04 PM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


Where is Ted Nugent, anyway? Seems like he would have been a perfect fit for this convention. Oh. I'm sorry I asked! (warning: first link goes to InfoWars)
posted by The Card Cheat at 3:04 PM on July 21, 2016


Warning: Both links contain batshit
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 3:10 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Ted Nugent on GOP: 'I pray to God they finally rediscover their scrotum'

Is it orange and wrinkly?
posted by Artw at 3:12 PM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


batshit*

*bullshit.
posted by howfar at 3:12 PM on July 21, 2016


Do we really have to make this whole thing more unpleasant with all of the moronic doomsaying? I can't tell if it's out of a desire to look knowing or a fundamental refusal to acknowledge the fact that a certain sort of dimwitted bluster is really all you need to sway huge swaths of the electorate and game the political process in the US, but in either case there's a party out there for you if trusting gut instinct over the available facts is your thing.
posted by invitapriore at 3:12 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Republican high school friend of mine is saying that if people walk out, they have alternates ready to fill seats. Like the Oscars!
posted by lauranesson at 3:12 PM on July 21, 2016 [4 favorites]


Dissent: Trump’s Nomination May Not Be the Worst of It, Jim Sleeper
Watching the Republican festival of hate and treacle in Cleveland, an outraged Democrat or Independent wouldn’t know that Republicans have locked down control of the House of Representatives for at least the coming decade, no matter what happens in November.
In Ratf**ked, a potentially game-changing account of electoral skullduggery, David Daley exposes how the GOP used a massive election-districting scam to steal Democrats’ electoral prospects. A savvy journalist who encourages Republican operatives to talk frankly, Daley tells the story of a perversely legal campaign that caught Democrats unaware, despite precedents set in the 1980s.
posted by the man of twists and turns at 3:13 PM on July 21, 2016 [13 favorites]


I found video of the practice sessions for tonight

Springtime for Donald and 'Murica
Our land is happy (no gays)
We're all just chanting, "Lock her up"
Come on, Paul Ryan, pucker up
Springtime for Donald and 'Murica
Winter for logic and class
Springtime for Donald and 'Murica
C'mon Trumpers, let's go kick some ass.
posted by Gaz Errant at 3:15 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


STRAIGHT OUTTA AMERICA

Sounds good to me! But then someone else would get stuck with him, which doesn't seem fair.
posted by The Card Cheat at 3:16 PM on July 21, 2016


Republican high school friend of mine is saying that if people walk out, they have alternates ready to fill seats. Like the Oscars!

That's smart, if true. Grrrr.
posted by Bella Donna at 3:17 PM on July 21, 2016




Making America One Again

One what?
posted by Joey Michaels at 3:23 PM on July 21, 2016 [12 favorites]


The only appropriate music for the last night of the convention is Julius Fučík's "Entry of the Gladiators."
posted by dhens at 3:24 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Correction, it's "Make America One Again" which, I'm not knowledgeable enough about grammar to express why that's such an awkward phrase, but it is.
posted by soren_lorensen at 3:24 PM on July 21, 2016


Making America One Again

Screaming, incontinent, fed entirely from bottles.
posted by dng at 3:24 PM on July 21, 2016 [39 favorites]


A one that is cold, obviously. A one that is not cold is scarcely a one at all.
posted by stolyarova at 3:25 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


Sheriff Joe is very popular among people who don't have to actually experience his policing.
posted by ckape at 3:25 PM on July 21, 2016 [9 favorites]


Making America One Again

The zen koan of political slogans.
posted by peeedro at 3:26 PM on July 21, 2016 [5 favorites]


A one that is cold, obviously. A one that is not cold is scarcely a one at all.

Strongbad/Homsar 2016!
posted by dhens at 3:27 PM on July 21, 2016 [7 favorites]


As far as entry songs go, to follow along with the Republican tradition of ignoring the bulk of the lyrics, I think Trump should enter to the sound of Kanye West sing/shouting "I Am A God ."
posted by Joey Michaels at 3:27 PM on July 21, 2016


Surely the most Trump song would be Laibach's "Geburt Einer Nation".
posted by Pope Guilty at 3:28 PM on July 21, 2016


> One what?

One people, one empire, one leader...
posted by You Can't Tip a Buick at 3:28 PM on July 21, 2016 [7 favorites]


Making America One Again

One what?


One great place to be rich, privileged, white, male and CIS, even if you are poorly educated, poorly read, none too hardworking, and eager to pal around with dictators.
posted by bearwife at 3:28 PM on July 21, 2016 [5 favorites]


E pluribus unum.
posted by audi alteram partem at 3:29 PM on July 21, 2016 [5 favorites]


One law
One life
When we need to feed
In the night
One blood
We get to drain it
Bleeds you baby if you
Don't eat enough
Garlic
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 3:29 PM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


On that note, Trump/Pence is Strongmad/Poopsmith 2016.
posted by stolyarova at 3:29 PM on July 21, 2016 [5 favorites]


I um.. didn't really remember Joe Arpaio.

Here are some controversies.
posted by narwhal at 3:30 PM on July 21, 2016


Republicans have locked down control of the House of Representatives for at least the coming decade, no matter what happens in November.

This is the thing that drives me batty about the left (both the party organization like the DCCC and the doom-and-gloom lefty left). Even safe House seats aren't really that safe. Dean ran a 50 state campaign. Obama ran a 50 state campaign. Hillary Clinton has her campaign machine. But there's no organized effort to identify and pick off House seats (it's what the DCCC is supposed to be doing, but Will Rogers' joke is still true). Sure, they won't get to the point of a safe Democratic majority in the House any time soon, but they could at least have launched a credible effort for any majority at all with viable candidates by now. Instead they're still mostly whining about how hard it is and how much of a disadvantage they've got.

Stop whining and start campaigning already. There shouldn't be a single ballot without a qualified Democrat on it.
posted by fedward at 3:31 PM on July 21, 2016 [26 favorites]


Republican high school friend of mine is saying that if people walk out, they have alternates ready to fill seats. Like the Oscars!

That's smart, if true. Grrrr.


They can stand and turn their backs to him.
posted by tivalasvegas at 3:31 PM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


I guess on the "one" theme he could enter to a different Queen song.
posted by Joey Michaels at 3:31 PM on July 21, 2016


Moody video game music pick for this afternoon: Bastion - Build That Wall, Zia's Theme.
posted by stolyarova at 3:32 PM on July 21, 2016 [4 favorites]


E pluribus unum.

Yeah, pretty sure Ex uno unum* is how you get inbreeding.

Which could explain a lot of what's going on right now.


* Correct grammar not guaranteed.
posted by Celsius1414 at 3:32 PM on July 21, 2016


Jay Smooth's take on Melania Trump plagiarizing Michelle Obama's speech. Short, hilarious, and insightful.

Glad to see Jay back making videos after his recent personal difficulties.
posted by Excommunicated Cardinal at 3:32 PM on July 21, 2016 [10 favorites]


Making America One Again

Obviously, then, he'll make an entrance to "One is the lonliest number."
posted by octobersurprise at 3:33 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Making America One Again

We do what we're told
We do what we're told
We do what we're told
Told to do

We do what we're told
We do what we're told
We do what we're told
Told to do

One doubt
One voice
One war
One truth
One dream
posted by a lungful of dragon at 3:33 PM on July 21, 2016 [4 favorites]


I guess on the "one" theme he could enter to a different Queen song. yt

Maybe I'm missing the joke but I've always thought of Geburt Einer Nation as Laibach going "You fuckers wouldn't find this song so charming if it were performed in German".
posted by Pope Guilty at 3:33 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


On the Making America One again, I also keep thinking of this (start at 1 minute mark).
posted by bearwife at 3:33 PM on July 21, 2016


Why does there have to be a song? Can't there just be torches and chanting?
posted by mochapickle at 3:34 PM on July 21, 2016 [13 favorites]


If you need something cheerier to distract you from the proceedings, you could do what I'm doing and look through the surreal psychosexual horrorscapes of deceased Polish artist Zdzisław Beksiński.
posted by cortex at 3:34 PM on July 21, 2016 [10 favorites]


Pope Guilty - yeah that Queen song has the added benefit of being totally fascist.
posted by Joey Michaels at 3:35 PM on July 21, 2016


Can't there just be torches and chanting?

That's the really, really good old days.
posted by tivalasvegas at 3:35 PM on July 21, 2016


On the Making America One again, I also keep thinking of this yt (start at 1 minute mark).

One does not simply goosestep into Mordor.
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 3:36 PM on July 21, 2016 [6 favorites]


wow what if, at the end of the night, Cruz comes out and says that Trump has convinced him with the Best Convention Speech ever and then endorses him/hands over his soul/Trump sucks his essence from his eyes.

I mean, I don't think so given Cruz's talk today, but man, that would be good tv, and that's America baby!
posted by angrycat at 3:36 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


If Trump doesn't enter to Too Drunk To Fuck then time itself has no meaning and might as well stop.
posted by delfin at 3:36 PM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


Trump will tell the nation tonight: "I am your voice."

Horrifying thought, but it will have political resonance with the disenfranchised (not the real disenfranchised, but the straight white males who feel their power slipping away).
posted by stolyarova at 3:38 PM on July 21, 2016


Or maybe the Circle Jerks' Wonderful?
posted by Fezboy! at 3:39 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]




I um.. didn't really remember Joe Arpaio.

All you need to know about Joe Arpaio is that he'll be the single worst human being in that entire arena tonight, and that's even if they fly in Charles Manson to make a special appearance.
posted by Atom Eyes at 3:40 PM on July 21, 2016 [20 favorites]


Hey, can someone please add "election2016" and "rnc2016" to the tags?
posted by peeedro at 3:40 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


If rich asshole doesn't enter to Too Drunk To Fuck then time itself has no meaning and might as well stop.
posted by delfin at 17:36 on July 21


Or maybe the Circle Jerks' Wonderful?

...ah, crap...I suck at [edit]. Sorry.
posted by Fezboy! at 3:41 PM on July 21, 2016


I wonder who leaked it?
posted by stolyarova at 3:41 PM on July 21, 2016


I wonder who leaked it?

Dang it, Meredith!
posted by AndrewInDC at 3:43 PM on July 21, 2016 [24 favorites]


Can we get some fact-checking going on on this speech? I'm thinking it's a pack of lies but evidence would be nice.
posted by stolyarova at 3:44 PM on July 21, 2016


If he sticks to those remarks, then that's a fucking snoozer of a speech.
posted by codacorolla at 3:44 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Trump will tell the nation tonight: "I am your voice."

Oh man, the opposition ad writes itself, though. That's great. The Clinton campaign had been hammering pretty hard on the theme that "this awful man does not speak for you, don't let him" and if he says exactly the this in his biggest speech, look out. That's a great GOTV motivator. And I'm betting Clinton's team already has the skeleton of this ad in the can and is just waiting for the footage of him saying it to splice in.
posted by soren_lorensen at 3:44 PM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


This speech isn't in his natural voice, like, at all. I'm curious to see how he'll present it.
posted by mochapickle at 3:44 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


Regarding whether Cruz's non endorsement will make a difference come November, I view it as the antidote to Ryan. Ryan modeled coming to terms with Trump while holding onto core principles, and Cruz is modeling being principled about not supporting him. That's important given all the screaming about party unity.
posted by carmicha at 3:45 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Wasn't "join me and we can bring order to the galaxy" Darth Vader's appeal to Luke?
posted by cmfletcher at 3:45 PM on July 21, 2016 [7 favorites]


From Trump's speech:

"We cannot afford to be so politically correct anymore."

I'm having a hard time reconciling my pacifist tendencies with all these irrepressible daydreams about punching Trump in the face.

God, it would feel so fucking satisfying. Maybe I'd join a nunnery afterwards to make up for my bad behavior.
posted by angrycat at 3:45 PM on July 21, 2016 [13 favorites]


This speech isn't in his natural voice, like, at all. I'm curious to see how he'll present it.

I really have a hard time thinking he'll stick to it for any length of time.
posted by dhens at 3:46 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


I would be completely shocked if Trump stuck to the prepared text.
posted by dry white toast at 3:47 PM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


Hey, can someone please add "election2016" and "rnc2016" to the tags?

Done!
posted by cortex at 3:47 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


I AM YOUR VOICE.

nice use of sudden, ominous all-caps in the transcript
posted by prize bull octorok at 3:47 PM on July 21, 2016 [5 favorites]


Make America Deaf, Dumb, and Blind Quadruple Amputees Again
posted by ckape at 3:47 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Trump will almost certainly go off script at some point. But I think the intention here is to take advantage of low expectations. If he doesn't shit himself in the middle of the speech he is Presidential and saved the convention. The way things are going though, shitting himself seems likely.
posted by Drinky Die at 3:48 PM on July 21, 2016


Keith Olberman: Could Donald Trump Pass a Sanity Test?
posted by Thorzdad at 3:49 PM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


Oh please let him have had the taco bowl for lunch.
posted by mochapickle at 3:49 PM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


The real question is, could Donald Trump pass a Turing Test?
posted by My Dad at 3:51 PM on July 21, 2016 [9 favorites]


I AM YOUR VOICE.

[Trump's mouth gapes impossibly wide, emits endless stream of luna moths]
posted by theodolite at 3:51 PM on July 21, 2016 [24 favorites]


Oh man, the opposition ad writes itself, though.

Yeah, just add it to the start of this one.
posted by Drinky Die at 3:52 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


Someone made the point that the principle message emerging from each night of the convention has been nothing close to the intended GOP message. Trump would probably agree, and is the sort who will chalk that up entirely to him having not been at the helm of the show. Now that it's his turn, he will see it as his job to save the convention and I doubt he'll find the prepared text adequate to the task.
posted by dry white toast at 3:52 PM on July 21, 2016 [4 favorites]


Trump will tell the nation tonight: "I am your voice."

Il Voce, then.
posted by Grangousier at 3:52 PM on July 21, 2016 [15 favorites]


> I would be completely shocked if Trump stuck to the prepared text.

My hope is that is the planned speech and that Trump has somebody frantically writing up a brand new one as we type. Or that he'll just decide to wing it in full.

> If he doesn't shit himself in the middle of the speech he is Presidential and saved the convention.

It's a strange thing that whenever this standard is applied to someone in the American political realm, it's always a Republican.
posted by The Card Cheat at 3:53 PM on July 21, 2016 [6 favorites]




I'm thinking at some point he is going to pause to explain how a treasonous attack by the treacherous Jedi left him orange and balding before he goes on to announce he is reorganizing the Republic into the first Trump Empire.
posted by entropicamericana at 3:55 PM on July 21, 2016 [5 favorites]


Trump will tell the nation tonight: I AM YOUR VOICE.
posted by leotrotsky at 3:55 PM on July 21, 2016


Cruz really does make for an excellent Starscream.
posted by Navelgazer at 3:59 PM on July 21, 2016 [18 favorites]


Can we get some fact-checking going on on this speech? I'm thinking it's a pack of lies but evidence would be nice.
An Advance Fact-Check of Trump’s Remarks (obviously partisan since it comes from trumplies.com, but still)
posted by dfan at 4:00 PM on July 21, 2016


"Not being politically correct" is just code for "acting like a douchebag without repercussions, " right?
posted by Joey Michaels at 4:00 PM on July 21, 2016 [24 favorites]


Nobody knows the system better than me, which is why I alone can fix it. I have seen firsthand how the system is rigged against our citizens, just like it was rigged against Bernie Sanders – he never had a chance.

My cognitive dissonance meter shattered into a thousand small pieces upon reading this paragraph.
posted by dry white toast at 4:01 PM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


Whatever he says, as long as it doesn't have a horrible improvised racial epithet in it, the nation's headlines will be "TRUMP: I AM YOUR VOICE" almost without variation. Someone who knows what they're doing wrote that one.
posted by argybarg at 4:01 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


Obviously, he should enter to "Tomorrow Belongs to Me".
posted by tobascodagama at 4:03 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


New speech writer, apparently... not a single utterance of the word "unbelievable". I'm betting he'll fix that, though.
posted by skippyhacker at 4:04 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


And how many times did it accidentally turn into a Nazi salute?

I doubt anyone who accidently made a Nazi salute would even notice unless they had to be careful about such things.

That said, I can't wait for the goose stepping by mistake incident.
I wonder if Trump supporters wouldn't see the parody in Goose Step Momma.

Oh my God that article on Peter Thiel is making me want to fight random people on the street.

In Trump's America, Bruce Lee is still alive and people will be extra vigilant to find the now in his mid 70s Lee and prove their toughness against him by beating him senseless and getting the American born immigrant out of the country.

Sadly Bruce is not alive and sadly the rest of the scenario is all to believable.

Speaking of political parties, I think it is possible for the DNC to move further to the center...

Further to the center? We all have different metrics but I consider them easily to the right of center. It would be nice if they moved back toward the center, particularly in regard to the financial system.
posted by juiceCake at 4:04 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


If that speech were based on any semblance of truth it might have seen featured parts in a Social Democrat's stump speech. But honestly I can't see any Republican supporting a lot of the poverty and business/employment aspects of it. I heartily expect if there's complete Republican control that removing the federal minimum wage might be first on the chopping block.

If you believe Trump, I can see why it would ultimately appeal. You're in poverty. He's going to get you a job, throw out the Mexican doing it for $7.25/hr, and bring back an element of fairness that has been missing from the American employment bargain for forty years. But we all know they aren't going to do dick about it once push comes to shove.
posted by Talez at 4:05 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


It's...OK, I guess. I mean, it doesn't actually say anything new. Total policy: build wall, MuslimBanLite, cut taxes, amend 501(3)(c), no trade deals. So I guess it's fine as convention speeches go, but I was half expecting something new - one new wacky idea to catch attention. Maybe they really are trying to play it safe.
posted by howfar at 4:07 PM on July 21, 2016


A few notes from the text so far:
One such border-crosser was released and made his way to Nebraska. There, he ended the life of an innocent young girl named Sarah Root. She was 21 years-old, and was killed the day after graduating from college with a 4.0 Grade Point Average. Her killer was then released a second time, and he is now a fugitive from the law.
As far as I know, this was a drunk driving death. Obviously not in any way acceptable, but Trump makes it out to sound like he shot her in cold blood for sport or something.
I have seen firsthand how the system is rigged against our citizens, just like it was rigged against Bernie Sanders – he never had a chance.
Bernie better hit back against this hard on Monday. To the extent there was any thought in his mind about pulling a Cruz, I'd have to think that having Trump invoke his name twice during his acceptance speech would be enough to make him nope out of that plan in a hurry.
Only weeks ago, in Orlando, Florida, 49 wonderful Americans were savagely murdered by an Islamic terrorist. This time, the terrorist targeted our LGBT community. As your President, I will do everything in my power to protect our LGBT citizens from the violence and oppression of a hateful foreign ideology.
I'll protect you against foreign people, while I fan the fires of domestic hate and deny you the right to marry.
My opponent asks her supporters to recite a three-word loyalty pledge. It reads: “I’m With Her”. I choose to recite a different pledge.

My pledge reads: “I’M WITH YOU – THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.”
I've liked the "I'm with her" tag, but it has mainly served to set up this line.
posted by zachlipton at 4:09 PM on July 21, 2016 [4 favorites]


Telecast officially starting up, looks like.
posted by cortex at 4:10 PM on July 21, 2016


GERD your loins!
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 4:12 PM on July 21, 2016


Ugh I have a sick bad feeling about this speech going over really well.
posted by stolyarova at 4:12 PM on July 21, 2016 [4 favorites]


Hey, remember how the President in the Marvel universe is always the same as the President in the real world so you don't have crazy stuff like electing Lex Luthor?

How's that working out, Marvel?
posted by ckape at 4:12 PM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


They're having a field day on twitter over in Clinton's campaign.
posted by Apoch at 4:12 PM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


Keith Olberman: Could Donald Trump Pass a Sanity Test?

Never mind that, can he pass a drug test? It's amazing that you can't compete in the Olympics without passing a drug test but you can be elected to the highest, most powerful office in the world.

And while I'm on that topic we have two people around 70 years old who are running for office and we don't have their medical records. That's the first thing that is done when hiring a CEO-- you give them a complete physical. At their age I fully expect they are both on at least 2 or more medications (I think the average is now 7 prescriptions.) But why on earth should we be entitled to know that? We are just lowly citizens electing our leader. A leader, I will add, who will be doing a very stressful job that requires extreme attention and peak health. That is something every ex-President agrees on-- the job is much more stressful than you know before you are elected.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 4:12 PM on July 21, 2016


There's nothing in there about acknowledging fundamental Republican principles, the Constitution, etc. Ted Cruz (as much as I hate to say it) was exactly right this morning in saying that Trump needs to brush up on that to be more "presidential" and appeal to the other half of unhappy Republican voters/moderates who care about that. Right now, it's clear that Trump is flailing when it comes to policy/platform/fundamentals and even just a nod in that direction could help him immensely.
posted by mochapickle at 4:13 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Republican high school friend of mine is saying that if people walk out, they have alternates ready to fill seats. Like the Oscars!

I was thinking they should just turn their backs instead of walking out.
posted by bongo_x at 4:13 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


I had the day off, got a haircut, stopped off at the beach, then the liquor store. Red five standing by.
posted by vrakatar at 4:13 PM on July 21, 2016 [9 favorites]


Got my popcorn, because this is going to be entertaining. (Got my special promo Winter Soldier popcorn, because I want Bucky and T'Challa with me in spirit while I watch this.) Got my tea, because "keep calm and drink tea" is definitely part of the evening's therapy plan. Got Twitch open in one window and metafilter in another.

Got a cute otome game loaded on the iphone for when I can't tolerate another minute of bigotry and lies. I am flirting with the handsome king of a rival nation, who rescued me from bandits.

I think I'm as ready as I can get.

Wait, THIS is the song they're opening with? Um. Obviously, my tea is not spiked enough.
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 4:14 PM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


Band now playing Rock the Casbah.
posted by cortex at 4:14 PM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


I was thinking they should just turn their backs instead of walking out.

Or cover themselves with shrouds.
posted by mochapickle at 4:14 PM on July 21, 2016


rock the casbah
posted by quonsar II: smock fishpants and the temple of foon at 4:14 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Rock the Casbah? Really?
posted by stolyarova at 4:14 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


When Joe Strummer heard American bomber pilots were playing Rock the Casbah while they attacked Iraq, he wept. He'd be livid right now.
posted by Joey Michaels at 4:15 PM on July 21, 2016 [16 favorites]


WEEEEE Don't Like It....
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 4:16 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


He thinks it's not kosher.
posted by tonycpsu at 4:16 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


I assume "rock" is code for "bomb" in this context?
posted by stolyarova at 4:16 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


God help me, I love Awkward Republican Dancing In Funny Hats. The camera guy is on our side.
posted by mochapickle at 4:17 PM on July 21, 2016 [4 favorites]


Oh, Neil Diamond would be ashamed.
posted by stolyarova at 4:18 PM on July 21, 2016


From his speech: I have a message for all of you: the crime and violence that today afflicts our nation will soon come to an end. Beginning on January 20th 2017, safety will be restored.

Fucking fucking fucking bullshit. He has no plans, no ideas, just empty words that come out of his conman's mouth. If the suckers believe this nonsense, then they will literally believe anything. Why not just tell them that you are going to give everyone a thousand bucks after you are in office? Just promise that there will be candy and roses in everyone's mailbox on every day that you are President?
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 4:18 PM on July 21, 2016 [29 favorites]


In 2009, pre-Hillary, ISIS was not even on the map.

ISIS was al Qaeda in Iraq and started under Bush.

In fact, her single greatest accomplishment may be committing such an egregious crime and getting away with it

OMG Hills is Keyser Söze.

We must abandon the failed policy of nation building and regime change that Hillary Clinton pushed in Iraq, Libya, Egypt and Syria.

Iraq was Bush's mess. Trump supported intervention in Libya.
posted by kirkaracha at 4:19 PM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


welp, if Trump had any supporters left at all here in Boston, he just lost 'em after this band started slaughtering "Sweet Caroline".
posted by Old Kentucky Shark at 4:19 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


It's not about facts - it's about what people feel

The Word: Trumpiness
posted by homunculus at 4:19 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


One of my favorite little memories from that great big meetup junket I did back in 2009 is of sitting in a bar in NYC with ocherdraco and a few other folks and spontaneously drunkenly breaking into a sway-and-sing-along to Sweet Caroline when it came on the bar's sound system.

The part of me that's always yearning to find some human connection even to people with whom I disagree profoundly has been doing a lot of arm-wrestling the last few days with the part of me that resents the shit out of having that happy memory associated with this convention.
posted by cortex at 4:20 PM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


My goodness, I think if I were independently wealthy, I'd absolutely learn to be a camera guy or a staffer and stealthily sabotage their efforts like that. "Yeah boss, totally, you should wave like this. Make it really snappy and keep your fingers together." "No, you look so cute dancing! Shake it, boss!"
posted by blnkfrnk at 4:20 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


nothing gets republican crones shakin' their booty like 'sweet caroline'.
posted by quonsar II: smock fishpants and the temple of foon at 4:20 PM on July 21, 2016


I have entered my convention zone: MeFi, Twitter, and Comic-Con on the PC, MSNBC on the TV. Coffee with Bailey's. Peanut butter filled pretzels.

Also the aforementioned indica.
posted by Gaz Errant at 4:21 PM on July 21, 2016 [6 favorites]


I hate it when politicians use children as props.
posted by stolyarova at 4:21 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


Why not just tell them that you are going to give everyone a thousand bucks after you are in office?

That... that would actually be sensible policy....
posted by tivalasvegas at 4:21 PM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


Okay guys, I have my credentials and am heading down soon. Walkout or back turn?
posted by corb at 4:22 PM on July 21, 2016 [38 favorites]


Moon.
posted by kirkaracha at 4:22 PM on July 21, 2016 [31 favorites]


Back turn
posted by Windopaene at 4:22 PM on July 21, 2016 [25 favorites]


It's an effective speech. If he sticks to it, he'll come out on the plus side of the convention.
posted by argybarg at 4:22 PM on July 21, 2016


Back turn, corb. Then if they try to physically remove you it might make the news. Otherwise they'll just replace you with a Trumpmind warm body.
posted by stolyarova at 4:23 PM on July 21, 2016 [20 favorites]


I can't see the dancing as I am on the train, unfortunately. But I have been to Episcopalian diocesan conventions where there were special guest rap artists so I know exactly the awkward horror of this
posted by tivalasvegas at 4:23 PM on July 21, 2016 [5 favorites]


Back turn, but don't get hurt!
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 4:23 PM on July 21, 2016 [10 favorites]


Back turn (optionally, with double bird-finger held aloft.) Good luck! Stay strong! You can walk out if it gets too tough, but he needs to know you disapprove.
posted by blnkfrnk at 4:23 PM on July 21, 2016 [4 favorites]


Back turn, for sure. Good luck in there tonight.
posted by Gaz Errant at 4:24 PM on July 21, 2016


Based on the reports I saw, the Texas delegation was talking walkout if Trump blasts Cruz, but probably not otherwise. I'm incredibly curious to see what happens though.
posted by zachlipton at 4:24 PM on July 21, 2016


Back turn. Best to you this evening, Corb.
posted by jaruwaan at 4:24 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


Let There Be Peace On Earth is a hell of an ironic choice for an opening song given the tone and content of the last several days. Little girl has pipes, though.
posted by cortex at 4:24 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Walkouts can be replaced. Backs turned can be skipped over by the cameras... maybe. Someone is going to want to catch that on film.

Also, walking out in unison in a crowd is hard to coordinate. Turning around isn't.
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 4:24 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


I literally bought special popcorn today. Putting my son to bed now. My loins are girded.
posted by soren_lorensen at 4:24 PM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


Back turn, hung head.
posted by vrakatar at 4:25 PM on July 21, 2016


Is Cruz in the building?
posted by Drinky Die at 4:25 PM on July 21, 2016


A dead Earth is a peaceful Earth
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 4:26 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


Family Research Council? Ew.
posted by stolyarova at 4:26 PM on July 21, 2016


That poor kid - don't they have laws against using kids in the adult entertainment industry?
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 4:26 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Back turn, chin high.
posted by stolyarova at 4:26 PM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


crime and violence that today afflicts our nation will soon come to an end. Beginning on January 20th 2017, safety will be restored.

Philippines police boast of 30 drug killings since Duterte was sworn in on Thursday [theguardian]
posted by porpoise at 4:26 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


Back turn -- if all of ya who object remind him of how much he's disliked, he'll be more likely to sabotage himself by going off script. Best of luck.
posted by Excommunicated Cardinal at 4:26 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Apparently Correct the Record was who got ahold of the speech draft and leaked it

I'll vote for back turned as well, and corb, I admire the hell out of you and what you're doing there. Stay safe.

may the Force be with you
posted by prize bull octorok at 4:27 PM on July 21, 2016 [11 favorites]


As a reminder, the Family Research Council is one of the biggest anti-LGBT groups out there. Anything in Trump's speech about protecting the LGBT community is utter crap when these are the people asked to lead the pledge of allegiance.
posted by zachlipton at 4:27 PM on July 21, 2016 [21 favorites]


Back turn, ears covered.
posted by argybarg at 4:28 PM on July 21, 2016 [9 favorites]


argy has it.
posted by vrakatar at 4:29 PM on July 21, 2016




He doesn't lower his eyes when he prays? Oh, right; he's performing for the camera, not for God.
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 4:29 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


After Judy Woodruff interviewed Mike Pence, they got some hot takes from the other panelists, and David Brooks said Mike Pence was like "Pepto-Bismol" and meant it as a compliment.

Dude.
Dude.
Duuuuuuuude.

This fucking election.
posted by mostly vowels at 4:30 PM on July 21, 2016 [5 favorites]


Back turn, chin held high, engrossed in reading a copy of the Constitution.
posted by spinifex23 at 4:30 PM on July 21, 2016


The first speech in history to be debunked prior to being delivered.
posted by tivalasvegas at 4:30 PM on July 21, 2016 [4 favorites]


Back turned, ears covered, head high - rejection, not shame.
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 4:30 PM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


If the Trump Whips try to remove you, go totally limp.
posted by cooker girl at 4:30 PM on July 21, 2016 [6 favorites]


He's personal friends with God. Gets to look 'em in the eye. Lowered eyes is just politically correct bullshit.
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 4:31 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


So he's going Full Buchanan? You never go Full Buchanan.
posted by (Arsenio) Hall and (Warren) Oates at 4:32 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


He just said all lives matter.
posted by stolyarova at 4:32 PM on July 21, 2016


not a bad invocation
posted by OHenryPacey at 4:32 PM on July 21, 2016


Did he just quote Spiderman's uncle Ben? Great power, great responsibility...

"Give us grace; give us courage; give us compassion, and give us hope"... wait, what convention does he think he's attending?
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 4:32 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


"Each of our lives matters".

Get it? He didn't say it. He didn't say it! He's not touching yooouuuu!
posted by gilrain at 4:32 PM on July 21, 2016 [11 favorites]


"Give us grace; give us courage; give us compassion, and give us hope"... wait, what convention does he think he's attending?

Those aren't requests - those are their ransom demands.
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 4:34 PM on July 21, 2016 [9 favorites]


He also asked for strength to fight racism and fix an unequal justice system. Pretty good.
posted by fitnr at 4:34 PM on July 21, 2016


Instead of leaving or turning your backs, how about singing "We Shall Overcome?"
posted by Joey Michaels at 4:34 PM on July 21, 2016


Since each of our lives is equally in jeopardy, that checks out. {/}
posted by tonycpsu at 4:34 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


"Under God" was added because of scumbag McCarthyist witch hunts.
posted by stolyarova at 4:35 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


"I'm not Cruz, I'm a different evangelical asshole." Well, at least he acknowledges that "under God" wasn't added until the 50s.
posted by Rykey at 4:35 PM on July 21, 2016


Now Tony Perkins is telling us that the existential threat to America is as great as it was during the height of the Cold War. I might agree, but the threat is coming from inside the convention center...
posted by zachlipton at 4:35 PM on July 21, 2016 [12 favorites]


So nice of him to give the history lesson so Trump fanatics aren't caught off guard when some liberals point out that "under God" was added in their lifetimes.
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 4:36 PM on July 21, 2016


"Donald Trump has committed to upholding and protecting the first freedom and therefore our ability to as citizens to unite our nation under God."

Also there are more feeeemales than males in the Trump organization under the Grand Negus.
posted by winna at 4:38 PM on July 21, 2016 [5 favorites]


that ad...
Trump certainly makes me want to work harder.
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 4:38 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


omg, are all of these people his employees?

does nobody see the conflict of interest there? who the hell is gonna say anything other than wonderful things about their thin-skinned bully of a boss?
posted by indubitable at 4:39 PM on July 21, 2016 [9 favorites]


It's an effective speech. If he sticks to it, he'll come out on the plus side of the convention.

Probably, yeah. It has broad appeal to the people who might consider voting for him, and some good lines for repeated broadcast. It's not particularly amazing though, so it will be interesting to see if he gets the convention bounce one would generally expect, given the rest of the convention. Probably, but it might feel a little anticlimactic after all the drama, so the quality of delivery is likely to play some part.
posted by howfar at 4:39 PM on July 21, 2016


More Trump employees talking about how great their boss is. Like an entire video of them. They're all women, even a black woman. And they're going to tell us that in case we didn't notice.

This is literally a video of people praising their boss, as if the endorsement of a marketing person at one of his golf courses is what matters here.
posted by zachlipton at 4:39 PM on July 21, 2016 [8 favorites]


I'm not going to watch this speech unless someone can put one of those goofy Snapchat faces on Trump while he's talking. Is anyone doing this? Is there a livefeed that will let me do that?
posted by (Arsenio) Hall and (Warren) Oates at 4:39 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


"He's come in ahead of schedule and under budget on all of his projects" ... except for the ones that he filed bankruptcy over. But hey, the debts were forgiven, so that means he stayed to budget, right?
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 4:40 PM on July 21, 2016 [7 favorites]


"Donald Trump has committed to reinstituting Prima Nocta."
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 4:40 PM on July 21, 2016 [5 favorites]


Trump found a binder full of women!
posted by zachlipton at 4:40 PM on July 21, 2016 [15 favorites]


That poor woman with the long hair. Her eyes are so dead as she speaks. BLINK IF YOU NEED US TO GET YOU OUT, LADY
posted by winna at 4:40 PM on July 21, 2016 [5 favorites]


Pitch-perfect song to follow that pro-woman video.
posted by Rykey at 4:41 PM on July 21, 2016 [8 favorites]


You Shook Me All Night Long? Really?
posted by mochapickle at 4:41 PM on July 21, 2016 [5 favorites]


You (Shook Me All Night Long)!?!? Really?
posted by winna at 4:41 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


Corb: even though we disagree on so much, you are making me proud to be an American again for the first time since this farce of an election started.

Strength.
posted by double block and bleed at 4:41 PM on July 21, 2016 [20 favorites]


hmm, I think "You Shook Me All Night Long" might not be a great fit with that blatant pandering to women in the video.
posted by zachlipton at 4:42 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Lol jinx mochapickle
posted by winna at 4:42 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Oh wait is it Tony Perkins? Fred Clark, the internet's resident evangelical whisperer, has been requesting for some time that we call him The Liar Tony Perkins.
posted by tivalasvegas at 4:42 PM on July 21, 2016 [8 favorites]


Wow, Chris Matthews just called out Manafort for saying women will vote Trump because they are concerned that their husbands aren't making enough money to support them. When your campaign manager is saying things so caveman sexist even Chris Matthews can't take it...
posted by Drinky Die at 4:43 PM on July 21, 2016 [23 favorites]


It sounds like AC/DC with Axl Rose on vocals is playing live at the convention... or it could just be a crappy cover band that sounds remarkably like Axl Rose.
posted by My Dad at 4:43 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


With the music, I'm mostly surprised at this point what a shallow playlist they have; it's a four night gig and they're only playing for a small chunk of each night, in fits and starts, and yet they've been recycling the same tunes every night and within a given night. You're doing covers, fellas, it's not like you've got to develop a big setlist from scratch.

Maybe G. E. just really likes soloing on this one.
posted by cortex at 4:43 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Here's the speech

MY NAME IS BOB RUMSON DONALD TRUMP, AND I'M RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT!
posted by snuffleupagus at 4:43 PM on July 21, 2016 [5 favorites]


Wow, bunch of gutterbrains in this thread. Obviously it was meant in the spirit of: You Shook (My Hand) All Night Long, doing absolutely great deals, for American workers.
posted by (Arsenio) Hall and (Warren) Oates at 4:43 PM on July 21, 2016 [13 favorites]


Pitch-perfect song to follow that pro-woman video.

Thanks for the spit-take. Nearly covered my keyboard in coffee.
posted by Gaz Errant at 4:44 PM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


When Trumpism = Trump, what else is there to talk about besides Trump?

Sure makes for a long four days of watching and listening.

Here's a new word: Trumpeteers. Trump employees pressed into singing the great man's praises to fill out airtime.
posted by notyou at 4:44 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


To be fair, they put together the video with the women employees and the "You shook me all night long" bit before Roger Ailes quit.
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 4:44 PM on July 21, 2016 [7 favorites]


Make American thighs great again!
posted by AndrewInDC at 4:44 PM on July 21, 2016


At least they didn't play "Giving The Dog A Bone"
posted by bongo_x at 4:44 PM on July 21, 2016


It was either that or Wang Dang Sweet Poontang by Ted Nugent.
posted by The Card Cheat at 4:45 PM on July 21, 2016 [10 favorites]


G.E. Smith gets paid the same no matter how long his playlist is.
posted by zachlipton at 4:45 PM on July 21, 2016 [5 favorites]


There is a person in a glittery jacket with giant shoulder pads dancing right now and I was not emotionally prepared to see that.
posted by winna at 4:46 PM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


Cat Scratch Fever?
posted by notyou at 4:46 PM on July 21, 2016


Anyone think they might have a song that considers women as something other than objects of lust?
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 4:46 PM on July 21, 2016


Assuming that leaked speech is legit, there's gotta be a huge struggle backstage right now to get Trump to stick to it rather than improvising.
And I do mean yuuuuuge.
posted by scaryblackdeath at 4:47 PM on July 21, 2016


Just caught a crowd shot of a woman swaying to good lord this terrible blues shuffle Eight Days A Week again why and she's holding a sign that read something very close to:

TRiUMPhant elaPENCE
You're hired!

posted by cortex at 4:47 PM on July 21, 2016 [10 favorites]


Well, to be fair to the band, a competently organized convention probably wouldn't require this much musical filler.
posted by ckape at 4:47 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Walkout or back turn?

Back turn, but remember that this is just one more day in your protracted campaign of skewering this dayglo pig bladder, and look after your safety first. There is worse you'll get to do him yet.
posted by howfar at 4:47 PM on July 21, 2016 [7 favorites]


Anyone think they might have a song that considers women as something other than objects of lust?

Say what?
posted by bongo_x at 4:47 PM on July 21, 2016


I get the feeling G.E. Smith has been subtly playing games with his song selection all week. But so subtly that neither the organizers nor the intended audience notice.
posted by oneswellfoop at 4:48 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


Anyone think they might have a song that considers women as something other than objects of lust?

She's having my baby?
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 4:48 PM on July 21, 2016 [8 favorites]




Trump's speech should work perfectly for him, it's well written and exactly the kind of thing he does well.

One thing I found interesting was the specific play for Bernie voters. Someone must have done the math that those are some of the people Trump will need if he has any shot at this.
posted by cell divide at 4:48 PM on July 21, 2016


They're gonna do twelve more minutes of music, aren't they?
posted by mochapickle at 4:48 PM on July 21, 2016


Is it just me or is the camera very pointedly covering the very few minorities in this crowd?
posted by 0xFCAF at 4:49 PM on July 21, 2016


This convention has been one big teenaged older brother saying "Okay, okay, I'll let you get in the car this time, come on"—vrrOOOM! "Seriously, I'll let you in this time, for real, get in"—vrrOOOM! "I'm sorry, don't be mad, you can get in, I promise I won't drive off"—vrrOOM!...
posted by Rykey at 4:50 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


That band has anti-soul. They are actually decreasing the world supply of funk by performing.
posted by winna at 4:50 PM on July 21, 2016 [19 favorites]


Official badge for Trump inner circle is pink triangle: used by Nazis to identify homosexuals.

I caught that too. It appears to be the Secret Service pin of the day, albeit one with interesting symbolism.
posted by zachlipton at 4:50 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


omg, are all of these people his employees?

We will have to wait for the FEC complaint before we can know for sure.
posted by srboisvert at 4:51 PM on July 21, 2016 [5 favorites]


TBogg says: Tonight Trump will hold up Ted Cruz's still beating heart and proclaim "Where is your God now?" Then ballon drop and Sweet Caroline.
posted by JackFlash at 4:51 PM on July 21, 2016 [9 favorites]


Wait, Trump is calling for overturning the ban on letting churches politically organize? Has he learned nothing from Game of Thrones?
posted by Drinky Die at 4:51 PM on July 21, 2016 [18 favorites]


I was unaware that fundamentalists considered Deism to be a strong faith.
posted by winna at 4:51 PM on July 21, 2016


Recap:
1) Ad showing women who work for Trump, saying what an awesome boss and mentor he is.
2) Musical interlude:
* You shook me all night long
* Eight days a week
* How sweet it is (to be loved by you)

Yeah, I'm now certain I understand how much Trump respects women, and how he values their contributions to America.
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 4:52 PM on July 21, 2016 [4 favorites]


Wow, Falwell quoting a Deist like Jefferson?
posted by indubitable at 4:52 PM on July 21, 2016


Trump has the best binders full of women, you haven't seen anything like these women, they are outstanding
posted by thelonius at 4:53 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Virginian here, when someone brags that their family has lived in Virginia since the 1600's, it really means "we were slave owners."
posted by peeedro at 4:53 PM on July 21, 2016 [77 favorites]


I was thinking today- last night Cruz implied it is okay to split the ticket. Republicans could write in Clinton or Cruz, then vote straight GOP down the line.
posted by vrakatar at 4:53 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


I haven't watched Falwell Jr. speak before. I'm getting Dystopian Future Ben Wyatt vibes.
posted by cortex at 4:53 PM on July 21, 2016 [5 favorites]


"Most prosperous Christian university in the world" uh I guess Notre Dame doesn't count?
posted by winna at 4:53 PM on July 21, 2016 [7 favorites]


Wow, Falwell quoting a Deist like Jefferson?

He admired his business sense.
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 4:54 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


G.E. Smith gets paid the same no matter how long his playlist is.

or how uninspired his solo is.
posted by quonsar II: smock fishpants and the temple of foon at 4:54 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Has he learned nothing from Game of Thrones?

He's learned everything from Game of Thrones. That's the problem.
posted by howfar at 4:54 PM on July 21, 2016 [11 favorites]


I've surprisingly liked the CNN coverage better than MSNBC.
posted by bongo_x at 4:54 PM on July 21, 2016


Like if they cut the mic right when he's wrapping up his speech and starts to sneak in a plug for the new platinum collector's edition of Cones of Dunshire it'd feel just about spot-on.
posted by cortex at 4:54 PM on July 21, 2016 [7 favorites]


I guess Notre Dame doesn't count?

PAPIST!
posted by quonsar II: smock fishpants and the temple of foon at 4:54 PM on July 21, 2016 [21 favorites]


"Most prosperous Christian university in the world" uh I guess Notre Dame doesn't count?

A Christian University bragging about being the most prosperous = beyond parody.
posted by (Arsenio) Hall and (Warren) Oates at 4:55 PM on July 21, 2016 [44 favorites]


"Most prosperous Christian university in the world"

True fact, Liberty University gets more money from the federal government than Planned Parenthood.
posted by peeedro at 4:55 PM on July 21, 2016 [32 favorites]


He's learned everything from Game of Thrones. That's the problem.

I dunno. I think he's watching WWE while Hillary is watching Game of Thrones.
posted by Drinky Die at 4:55 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


How's the food at Liberty?
posted by thelonius at 4:55 PM on July 21, 2016 [6 favorites]


Jerry Falwell Jr. did not get the speaker gene. He's amazing un-enthused, looks like he's reading his speech under duress.
posted by bongo_x at 4:56 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Yeah, I'm now certain I understand how much Trump respects women, and how he values their contributions to America.

"Yeah, I'm always on the lookout for a future ex-Mrs. Trump."
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 4:57 PM on July 21, 2016


MSNBC is really enjoying spiking on Ailes tonight.
posted by Drinky Die at 4:57 PM on July 21, 2016


Really glad this guy has the charisma of a garden slug.
posted by Rykey at 4:57 PM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


That's not how you do a yo momma joke.
posted by ckape at 4:58 PM on July 21, 2016


Holy shit, Arpaio is bonkers. Can't wait to hear what he's gonna say.
posted by Rykey at 4:58 PM on July 21, 2016


It's good Falwell said clearly "we must unite behind Donald Trump and Mike Pence," because mostly he's so lackluster I can barely stay awake enough to listen.

Aww, he made a joke! How cute!

Oh, wait, his scriptwriters ran into the wonky phrasing of tonight's theme. "The only way to make America great--and one--again, is to..."

Overall, that was delightful, in the sense that I could barely open my eyes enough to cringe.
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 4:58 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


not a bad invocation

Yes, when I went to church I was a Methodist and I do believe they walk the walk.

Tony Perkins, on the other hand is a POS. Hey Tony? Would you hire Trump do represent your "Family Values" group? Yeah I didn't think so.

Boy Jerry Falwell's voice is comical. He sounds more like a muppet than a Charismatic Evangelic Preacher.

Osama, Obama, Yo Mama? Seriously? These are the greatest threats? Boy I would love to see him in a room full of black women and tell that "joke."
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 4:58 PM on July 21, 2016


Wow, the delivery on that Osama, Obama, Yo Mama bit was shockingly inept. I can't tell if Falwell was actively uncomfortable reading it, or just straight flubbed it that badly.

Anyway, here's the nation's worst sheriff so I'm braced to feel way worse about everything about five minutes from now.
posted by cortex at 4:58 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


Sheriff Joe is wearing a handgun-shaped tie tack. Classy.
posted by zachlipton at 4:58 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Arpaio's got his pointin' finger on, I see.
posted by mynameisluka at 4:58 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


Tuned into a mainstream broadcast for the first time this week (CBS) causing me to remember why I have avoided these: The jokers posing as journalists did not acknowledge the shocking, rancid white supremacist rhetoric.

Also, Jerry Fallwell Jr. is a terrible speaker with an appalling message.
posted by Excommunicated Cardinal at 4:58 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Of course Arpaio's tie pin is a handgun.
posted by egregious theorem at 4:59 PM on July 21, 2016 [6 favorites]


there's gotta be a huge struggle backstage right now to get Trump to stick to it rather than improvising.

I cannot imagine a world in which he stays on the script for more than a few minutes. But who knows?

As for Falwell's speech: he just implied that Trump would somehow stop liberal universities from being "Democratic voter re-education camps" and then ended with a yo momma joke. Punchline "Tell Chelsea's momma she's fired." Gah.
posted by Gaz Errant at 4:59 PM on July 21, 2016


How's the food at Liberty?

Sorry, I'm not at Liberty to tell you.
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 4:59 PM on July 21, 2016 [75 favorites]


or how uninspired his solo is.

That's not his fault -- after Cruz's speech, they're vetting everything more closely now, and Smith's contract now limits him to pentatonic scales in a two octave range.
posted by tonycpsu at 4:59 PM on July 21, 2016 [4 favorites]


(HI GUYS! I am debating between ice cream and chips with horrible yet delicious dip.)
posted by mynameisluka at 4:59 PM on July 21, 2016


We need a speaker. who knows how to say. a full sentence at a time.
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 4:59 PM on July 21, 2016 [7 favorites]


i can't help but picture Arpio in a frilly pink tutu every time i see him
posted by quonsar II: smock fishpants and the temple of foon at 5:00 PM on July 21, 2016 [5 favorites]


Man Arpaio is a shit public speaker, too. Why isn't this guy fired up to support his White Nationalist bro, Trump?
posted by indubitable at 5:00 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Didn't Joe Arpiao say yesterday he hadn't been asked to speak? Are they totally winging this? Corb, get up there and speak!
posted by bongo_x at 5:00 PM on July 21, 2016 [5 favorites]


Joe Arpaio sounds like Frank from It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia
posted by birdheist at 5:00 PM on July 21, 2016


When does the Old Timey, Irascible Frontier Trapper speak?
posted by (Arsenio) Hall and (Warren) Oates at 5:01 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


CRIMINALS PENETRATING OUR WEAK BORDER SYSTEMS
posted by winna at 5:01 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Arpaio's tie pin is an actual working handgun.
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 5:01 PM on July 21, 2016 [9 favorites]


I'm starting to think the teleprompter may be messed up. Two in a row can't suck this hard.
posted by Don Pepino at 5:01 PM on July 21, 2016


C'mon, folks, where are the Pokemon Go pictures of a pikachu on the podium?
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 5:01 PM on July 21, 2016 [4 favorites]


UGH, the cries of "build the wall" are terrifying.
posted by mynameisluka at 5:01 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


there's gotta be a huge struggle backstage right now to get Trump to stick to it rather than improvising.

I cannot imagine a world in which he stays on the script for more than a few minutes. But who knows?


Yes, yes, but I want odds!
posted by Kid Charlemagne at 5:01 PM on July 21, 2016


The crowd is chanting "build the wall" and I am scared.
posted by winna at 5:02 PM on July 21, 2016


He kinda sounds mildly drunk.
posted by Hairy Lobster at 5:02 PM on July 21, 2016


He looks like he's about to ask the convention floor if they're his children and when he can go home.
posted by howfar at 5:02 PM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


This crowd is unbelievably tepid for a nominating convention. Applause is not coming from the whole crowd consistently.
posted by Excommunicated Cardinal at 5:02 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Trump and Arpiao were birther buddies together. How does that not disqualify you from speaking to any audience bigger than 50 people for the rest of your life?
posted by zachlipton at 5:02 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


I heard Falwell interviewed on NPR this morning and my first thought was Jesus, someone get this guy a cup of coffee.
posted by soren_lorensen at 5:03 PM on July 21, 2016


Is Arpaio always this clumsy of a speaker? It's pretty conspicuous, a lot of stumbles and false starts and pretty clearly doubling back to reread a line he's flubbing. Maybe pretty far from his usual speaking milieu.
posted by cortex at 5:03 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


I could really use a Jonathan Haidt, former liberal himself, op-ed right now to explain to me how this conservative shit show is evidence of the greater breadth of conservative morality.
posted by srboisvert at 5:03 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Joe Arpaio sounds like Frank from It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia

I think he sounds more like the Mr Plinkett character that makes those Star Wars movie reviews.
posted by peeedro at 5:03 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


"The Word: Trumpiness" -- what struck me with absolute horror was Colbert saying that he'd coined "truthiness" more than a decade ago.
posted by epersonae at 5:03 PM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


The crowd is chanting "build the wall" and I am scared.

Mother, did it need to be so high?
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 5:03 PM on July 21, 2016 [20 favorites]


This crowd is unbelievably tepid for a nominating convention. Applause is not coming from the whole crowd consistently.

But Trump has assured us the party is completely unified. And Trump is an honorable man.
posted by kirkaracha at 5:04 PM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


Mark Burns is back and he's even louder. Who brings back a speaker for a second goaround?
posted by zachlipton at 5:04 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Why is Big E from New Day there?
posted by vrakatar at 5:04 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


In contrast: I was at the 2008 Democratic Convention for Obama's nomination acceptance speech and it was ELECTRIC. People would give a standing ovation to anything and by the time Obama came out, the entire completely full stadium went apeshit even though we had been waiting in 100-degree weather for something like 12 hours.
posted by mynameisluka at 5:04 PM on July 21, 2016 [10 favorites]


"He never forgot to call my wife" is not a sign that he respects women. We already knew he notices women. The issue is whether he thinks they're competent.

.... ohwow; speaker changed and Pastor Mark Burns is gonna wake up the audience.

By yelling at them.

A lot.
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 5:04 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


Next up: Mark Burns, who certainly isn't gonna keep up the sleepy/clumsy speaker streak, whatever else.
posted by cortex at 5:04 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


He kinda sounds mildly drunk.

Nah. Did you watch last night? Those people were drunk! The Sheriff sounds like he might have had a stroke. Or maybe he is just an old man up past his bedtime. Slurry, but not drunk slurry.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 5:04 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


What was that word before "Democrats"? It was just a noise.
posted by howfar at 5:05 PM on July 21, 2016


Maybe pretty far from his usual speaking miliau.

Someone should ask to see his papers.
posted by srboisvert at 5:05 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


> Mark Burns is back and he's even louder. Who brings back a speaker for a second goaround?

Somebody who couldn't even get Tim Tebow?
posted by The Card Cheat at 5:05 PM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


More Trump employees talking about how great their boss is. Like an entire video of them. They're all women, even a black woman. And they're going to tell us that in case we didn't notice.

I didn't see this, but in my mind I'm guessing it's like this Berlusconi campaign ad, which I still think is one of the most singularly creepy things I've ever seen.

(tl;dr: it's a video of women singing "President we are with you, Thank God Silvio exists!")
posted by dnash at 5:05 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


This was a mistake. They thought they were getting Monty Burns.
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 5:06 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


Did someone cancel? What's going on?
posted by bongo_x at 5:06 PM on July 21, 2016


Someone tell this dude it's not capslock day.
posted by winna at 5:06 PM on July 21, 2016 [10 favorites]


What was that word before "Democrats"? It was just a noise.

"Race baiting"? Or did he say that after?
posted by Drinky Die at 5:06 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


I mean, I know that was kind of a special circumstance, but still. Sigh. There was another bonus which was that there was nobody there screaming ALL LIVES MATTER.
posted by mynameisluka at 5:06 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


holy fucking shit who is this large shouting man
posted by Old Kentucky Shark at 5:06 PM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


I think Cruz will either write in his own name or end up voting for Trump anyway.

#1 quidnunc kid?
posted by orrnyereg at 5:06 PM on July 21, 2016 [13 favorites]


CHANTING ALL LIVES MATTER
posted by tivalasvegas at 5:06 PM on July 21, 2016


"He never forgot to call my wife..."...a word I can't use on television.
posted by AndrewInDC at 5:06 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


What was that word before "Democrats"? It was just a noise.

"Race-baiting".
posted by Excommunicated Cardinal at 5:07 PM on July 21, 2016


Oh, the rousing crowd chants of "All lives matter"

In case there was any doubt.
posted by indubitable at 5:07 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


this burns guy is certifiably insane
posted by quonsar II: smock fishpants and the temple of foon at 5:07 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


WTF black dude???? rilly???
posted by OHenryPacey at 5:07 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Is Arpaio always this clumsy of a speaker?

To be fair, you don't get much time to practice your public speaking when you're running a gulag.
posted by Rykey at 5:07 PM on July 21, 2016 [20 favorites]


So earlier, we heard about how churches are terrified of the IRS if they dare speak of politics and Trump is going to get rid of all that. Now this pastor is up here campaigning for the second time this week. Doesn't seem like he's cowering in fear of the IRS.
posted by zachlipton at 5:07 PM on July 21, 2016 [11 favorites]


Pastor Mark Burns: She's afraigh, she's afraigh. she's afraigh she will NEVAh become President of the United States. (yeah I doubt that, Burns. Something tells me you have never met the lady.)

This guy is hilarious. Now he is clapping his words. Yep. Wake up call.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 5:07 PM on July 21, 2016


It kinda sounds like "All lies matter".
posted by howfar at 5:07 PM on July 21, 2016


Crowd cheers for poverty and desperation
posted by indubitable at 5:08 PM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


Wait I thought cops had good jobs. How will getting them good jobs stop them killing people?
posted by winna at 5:08 PM on July 21, 2016


Ugh, every Black person the GOP has recruited to speak at the RNC has been of the most obnoxious, shouty-asshole type that haunt the worst kind of Black megachurches. It's like if the NAACP decided to pack their annual meeting with trustafarians named Chad who are like, really, into Ayn Rand and men's rights.
posted by Panjandrum at 5:08 PM on July 21, 2016 [18 favorites]


Trump's guy on CNN brushing off stats showing crime is down because the FBI is suspect after the Clinton investigation.
posted by bongo_x at 5:08 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


I'm out. Can't watch any more of these fools channelling their bloodthirsty god.
posted by Excommunicated Cardinal at 5:08 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


"She will never, ever, never-ever, NEVER NEVER..."
"We are MORE THAN EVER will solve the problem TOGETHER
SHOUT TOGETHER"

Pastor Burns is leading the convention in a game of Never Have I Ever.
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 5:08 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


ALL LIVES MATTER! ALL LIVES MATTER! AT LEAST THREE FIFTHS! AT LEAST THREE FIFTHS!
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 5:09 PM on July 21, 2016 [22 favorites]


Someone tell this dude it's not capslock day.
posted by winna at 8:06 PM on July 21 [−] Favorite added!

Perfect. I am laughing so hard now.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 5:09 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


ALL AMERICANS WILL HAVE JOBS
posted by sporkwort at 5:09 PM on July 21, 2016


> I bet Trump comes out to Real American because this entire campaign is about being pissed off that Obama humiliated him. yt

Charlie Pierce agrees with you: For My Money, Donald Trump Has Never Gotten Over This Event From 5 Years Ago. Remember the White House Correspondents' Dinner? The bin Laden one?
posted by homunculus at 5:09 PM on July 21, 2016 [9 favorites]


Donald Trump is not going to pander to just one race...he'll pander to everyone who's convenient!
posted by mynameisluka at 5:09 PM on July 21, 2016


CNN cut away from Burns to interview someone and I thought Lil Jon was on the stage.
posted by The Hamms Bear at 5:09 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


In light of Charles Kinsey today, this is in even worse taste than normal. The man didn't need a good job, he was doing his damn job when he was shot by the police for no reason. Plenty of other black people shot by the police had perfectly fine jobs too. Claiming the real problem is jobs is BS.
posted by zachlipton at 5:09 PM on July 21, 2016 [41 favorites]


Full employment, here we come!
posted by Drinky Die at 5:09 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


Hear the cries of (those we) disenfranchised....
posted by OHenryPacey at 5:10 PM on July 21, 2016


He man race? Oh no wait...he must have said Human Race (Or as Mark Burns would put it, "HUMAN RACE."
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 5:10 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


just relax and go with the coronary thrombosis, dude.
posted by quonsar II: smock fishpants and the temple of foon at 5:10 PM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


He's trying to walk a fine line here, this shouty guy. I give him a credit for trying.
posted by vrakatar at 5:11 PM on July 21, 2016


To be fair that was the only time this pitifully call and response impaired crowd was able to say something together.
posted by mynameisluka at 5:11 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


TRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUMP
posted by Old Kentucky Shark at 5:11 PM on July 21, 2016


Terry Crews has really let himself go.
posted by peeedro at 5:12 PM on July 21, 2016


"Annihilated States of America" is what I thought he said, and it suits his vision.
posted by gladly at 5:12 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


Had to mute it for a phone call.

It's actually more terrifying without sound.
posted by tivalasvegas at 5:12 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


I am very worried this guy will seriously injure himself with this yelling.
posted by kiltedtaco at 5:12 PM on July 21, 2016


What he was trying to do there kinda fails when you have white in your flag but not black.
posted by Drinky Die at 5:12 PM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


I was seriously worried he was going to blow a gasket onstage
posted by double block and bleed at 5:12 PM on July 21, 2016


What time is the Orange One going to speak?
posted by lazaruslong at 5:12 PM on July 21, 2016


I am vicariously humiliated for this guy.
posted by mynameisluka at 5:13 PM on July 21, 2016


I will now recite all the NFL teams.
posted by The corpse in the library at 5:13 PM on July 21, 2016 [12 favorites]


"I'm not gonna bark tonight"

I mean, go ahead. I think it would fit in just fine after the last guy.
posted by thefoxgod at 5:14 PM on July 21, 2016 [4 favorites]


I will now recite all the NFL teams.

For people reading this after the fact, this is actually what was happening.
posted by winna at 5:14 PM on July 21, 2016 [22 favorites]


Rachel Maddow says she feels an increase in core strength after listening to that speech.
posted by Drinky Die at 5:14 PM on July 21, 2016 [4 favorites]


I was kind of hoping what he had for the Packers fans was the bird.
posted by ckape at 5:14 PM on July 21, 2016


Every time they get some energy in the room, they manage to let it out immediately. We just went from caps-lock pastor man to 70-something man rambling about Vince Lombardi.
posted by zachlipton at 5:14 PM on July 21, 2016 [5 favorites]


I wonder if he still has any of those little IHOP NFL helmets
posted by thelonius at 5:14 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


"What the hell is going on here"

Yes, good question.
posted by thefoxgod at 5:15 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


Vince Lombardi was a pioneer in breaking the color bar in football. I don't think he'd be into the current Republican Party.
posted by winna at 5:15 PM on July 21, 2016 [8 favorites]


"...mard in anger and feah"
posted by quonsar II: smock fishpants and the temple of foon at 5:15 PM on July 21, 2016


Does this make any sense if you know something about American football?
posted by howfar at 5:15 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


"In 2015, the relative value of $12,500.00 from 1961 ranges from $77,700.00 to $398,000.00."
posted by mynameisluka at 5:15 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


ok, that's all I can take, headphones are off for now
posted by indubitable at 5:15 PM on July 21, 2016


The small business sector of the economy
posted by sporkwort at 5:15 PM on July 21, 2016


I'm sorry, I just fell asleep. Can somebody please catch me up on which century we're in?
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 5:16 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


I am very worried this guy will seriously injure himself with this yelling.

He'll be fine. He's a mega-church televangelist. Histrionic shouting is literally his job, and well continue to be so long as he can shame and bamboozle people into giving him money.
posted by Panjandrum at 5:16 PM on July 21, 2016


When is ubermensch Thiel supposed to go on? That might be the most popcorn worthy. I'm trying to decide when to head to the kitchen.
posted by soren_lorensen at 5:17 PM on July 21, 2016


What time is the Orange One going to speak?

About 2 hours from this post (CSPAN has a countdown)
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 5:17 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


I liked when he had to tell the Republican Whitey McWhitersons when to chant back in the call and responses.
posted by Justinian at 5:17 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Does this make any sense if you know something about American football?

No.
posted by zebra at 5:17 PM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


Does this make any sense if you know something about American football?

nope
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 5:17 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


Not only is the Osama/Obama/yo mama thing insanely juvenile, Jerry Falwell Sr. died a year before the 2008 primaries started.
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 5:17 PM on July 21, 2016


Is there any place I can watch this on cable sans talking head idiocy?
posted by double block and bleed at 5:18 PM on July 21, 2016


Can somebody please catch me up on which century we're in?

4th and 10.
posted by quonsar II: smock fishpants and the temple of foon at 5:18 PM on July 21, 2016 [14 favorites]


I'm watching the stream on YouTube with no commenters.
posted by winna at 5:18 PM on July 21, 2016


This is especially bad. Why is this man speaking, again?
posted by codacorolla at 5:18 PM on July 21, 2016


I stepped away at the beginning of the Vince Lombardi story and when I just came back he was still talking about Lombardi. Was that anecdote the majority of his speech?
posted by Gaz Errant at 5:18 PM on July 21, 2016


call and response fails are one of the underappreciated subthemes of this shamvention
posted by tivalasvegas at 5:18 PM on July 21, 2016 [7 favorites]


Y'know, when I divide up the types of people who are usually democrats vs those who are usually republicans, I hadn't thought to put "good public speakers" in the democrat column. But wow, the Trump campaign has gone out of their way to find speakers who can flatten the energy in a large room.

"A leader gets stuff done."

Er. No. A leader convinces other people to get stuff done, and they're happy about it.

Now he says "Trump knows how to get the best out of people - he knows how to be a teammate."

*throws hands in air*

DUDE. Getting the best out of people = leader. Teammate is someone who works alongside you.

These people have a serious vocabulary problem.
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 5:19 PM on July 21, 2016 [7 favorites]


I remind you that we were promised Tom Brady, denied Tim Tebow, and ended up with this guy. That should sum up what to expect from a Trump Administration.
posted by zachlipton at 5:19 PM on July 21, 2016 [29 favorites]


Vince Lombardi famously told his team that if they didn't like playing with gay teammates, they knew where the door was. He'd LOVE these clowns, I'm sure.
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 5:19 PM on July 21, 2016 [21 favorites]


> Osama/Obama/yo mama thing

Wait wait what I was out catching Clefairies with my kids. Is this a thing that really happened?
posted by The corpse in the library at 5:19 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


I don't know about TV, dbab, but I've been streaming a straight feed on twitch, here.
posted by cortex at 5:19 PM on July 21, 2016




High Taxes. Regulations. and practically no access to credit. Ummm one of these things is not like the others.

I can tell you what leaders do, A leader gets things done. Trump gets. things. done.

So that's a philosophy of sorts. Anyone who gets stuff done could be a great leader. Hey, I got plenty of stuff done today. Who wants me as their leader?
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 5:19 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Gawker: What Does Peter Thiel Want?
posted by tonycpsu at 5:19 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


This thing is giving me strong mid-level sales conference vibes in terms of the speakers and production values.
posted by winna at 5:19 PM on July 21, 2016 [7 favorites]


Is there any place I can watch this on cable sans talking head idiocy?

Can you watch online? RNC feed
posted by mochapickle at 5:20 PM on July 21, 2016


"ThatThe one percent was all I needed"
posted by mynameisluka at 5:20 PM on July 21, 2016


@double block and bleed

PBS NewsHour is just livestreaming, no commentary
https://youtu.be/YMCn4O4yZQQ

Not sure if a local PBS station would offer the same feed?
posted by narwhal at 5:20 PM on July 21, 2016


I don't know you, "motivational speaker," I'm sorry in the abstract that you had surgery but I don't really care, this is not motivating.
posted by The corpse in the library at 5:20 PM on July 21, 2016


We’re gonna need a bigger thread…
posted by Going To Maine at 5:20 PM on July 21, 2016 [12 favorites]


It's amazing stubble though.
posted by howfar at 5:21 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


The C-SPAN livestream is a good option as well.
posted by Gaz Errant at 5:21 PM on July 21, 2016


"welcome to the 1% club"? Mind-boggling.
posted by Old Kentucky Shark at 5:21 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


I don't understand how "I was in a horrible car accident and my father died" is supposed to make me want to join his religion. It feels like more of a threat: "this is what happens to people who worship this god."
posted by The corpse in the library at 5:22 PM on July 21, 2016 [8 favorites]


I'm not sure talking about how you and Trump are both in the 1% is really the line you want to take.
posted by howfar at 5:22 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


When Trump is president everyone will... recover from car crashes? Why is this person speaking?
posted by tivalasvegas at 5:22 PM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


They ran out of patriotic pictures to put behind the speakers, so they're using a football field?

OMG they ran out of people to put on stage and they're bringing in video speakers.
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 5:22 PM on July 21, 2016


Mark Burns is the same pastor who said that Bernie Sanders "Gotta Get Saved."

Also: Bobby Knight is a Trumpista? No surprise there.
posted by dhens at 5:22 PM on July 21, 2016


C-Span seems to be OK so far. I only get it in standard def, though.
posted by double block and bleed at 5:23 PM on July 21, 2016


Bobby Knight in via pre-recorded, incredibly brief video appearance. Cut to band.
posted by cortex at 5:23 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


You know what else Gets. Things. Done? Rust. And rust never sleeps. RUST 2016!
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 5:23 PM on July 21, 2016 [17 favorites]


What is this horseshit?
posted by box at 5:23 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


♫ "...better make the bonfire bigger..." ♫
posted by The corpse in the library at 5:23 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


A god who sees fit to let you get into a nearly fatal accident, then barely walk again, is a god worthy of praise, to be sure.
posted by Rykey at 5:23 PM on July 21, 2016 [11 favorites]


Man, the crowd is really digging this. Literally swaying with excitement!
posted by codacorolla at 5:24 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Why is this person speaking?

To increase the Jesus content to mask the thrice-married philanderer-ness of Trump.
posted by dhens at 5:24 PM on July 21, 2016 [8 favorites]


"As a coach my main objective was to win and I know Donald Trump will always have winning on his mind." -- Bobby Knight

A bit weak, no? Not that he will always win, but just that Trump will basically think about winning. Isn't thinking about winning kind of a given at any level above U-7 soccer teams, where there's a serious chance the players might be distracted by a bug or airplane or something?
posted by zachlipton at 5:24 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Speaking of Bobby Knight, here's a tremendous video which does a great job expressing Coach Knight's values!!
posted by (Arsenio) Hall and (Warren) Oates at 5:24 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


This song is about taunting people into drinking more than they want and staying out later? So peer pressure and bullying?
posted by winna at 5:24 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]




Turns out I was wrong in yesterday's thread, Ingraham and D'Souza didn't write the Ebonics article I mentioned (which was called "Dis Sho Ain't No Jive, Bro"). But it was their paper, and they published it. As well as a later "lighthearted interview" with a former KKK head, accompanied by a staged photo of a black man, noose around neck, hanging from a tree. Even Jack Kemp was disgusted, and resigned his position on the Dartmouth Review advisory board. Their Dartmouth Review also infiltrated the gay student organization and published the names of its members; it was a huge shitstorm. She has a long history as a garbage person, and her "Mein Führer!" moment remains no surprise to me.
posted by Lyme Drop at 5:24 PM on July 21, 2016 [8 favorites]




A god who sees fit to let you get into a nearly fatal accident, then barely walk again, is a god worthy of praise, to be sure.

If all that you ask of your God is to do nothing about your suffering, I'm accepting offerings and the building of temples to my glory.
posted by Pope Guilty at 5:25 PM on July 21, 2016 [4 favorites]


I AM YOUR ID - VOTE QUIVERING FLESHBEAST 2016
posted by Joey Michaels at 5:25 PM on July 21, 2016 [4 favorites]


I don't know you, "motivational speaker," I'm sorry in the abstract that you had surgery but I don't really care, this is not motivating

Brock Mealer: God gave him the ability to walk again. Although I'm sure the doctors helped in their own, feeble way.

Where do you think he gives this motivational speech? I'm guessing in musty, damp church basements that smell of burnt coffee and insect spray. Probably has a slide show that he busts out on Family Night. "Bring the family and enjoy this inspirational story of young Brock who was paralyzed but by the grace of God walked again. Bring a hot dish and a dessert. We will provide the beverages."
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 5:26 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


Watching these people dance makes me feel less bad about being English.
posted by howfar at 5:27 PM on July 21, 2016 [18 favorites]


This is the first time I've actually opened up a stream--I've been taking the metafilter pinhole camera approach up until now.

My word, that's a lot of crackers.
posted by soren_lorensen at 5:27 PM on July 21, 2016 [10 favorites]


> "In 2009, pre-Hillary, ISIS was not even on the map. "

ISIS was al Qaeda in Iraq and started under Bush.

"We must abandon the failed policy of nation building and regime change that Hillary Clinton pushed in Iraq, Libya, Egypt and Syria."

Iraq was Bush's mess. Trump supported intervention in Libya.


It drives me nuts how the media never points these facts out when Trump repeats his bullshit talking points.
posted by homunculus at 5:27 PM on July 21, 2016 [5 favorites]


I AM YOUR EGO - YOUR ID IS WEAK! VOTE EGO 2016, AND EVERY YEAR!
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 5:27 PM on July 21, 2016 [4 favorites]


(Though I love that G. E. Smith was like, 'you know what these songs need? Saxophone solos.')
posted by box at 5:27 PM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


i just caught myself swaying and tapping my foot to this song. i'm really glad this is the last night.
posted by sporkwort at 5:28 PM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


Vince Lombardi famously told his team that if they didn't like playing with gay teammates, they knew where the door was. He'd LOVE these clowns, I'm sure.

Huh. Checks out.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 5:28 PM on July 21, 2016 [11 favorites]


That couldn't've been "I'm with her" signs...
posted by The corpse in the library at 5:29 PM on July 21, 2016


Make America one what?
posted by howfar at 5:30 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


We have had enough divisive rhetoric! I agree.
posted by mynameisluka at 5:30 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


"Watching on Twitter?"
posted by mollweide at 5:30 PM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


MAKE AMERICA ONE WHAT??? I am so annoyed by this phrasing.
posted by soren_lorensen at 5:30 PM on July 21, 2016


"Welcome to all of you who are watching at home on iPhones and on Twitter." Wow does that make her feel out of touch. Twitter is 10 years old and the iPhone is about 9.5 years old now. (and did she mean Twitch?)
posted by zachlipton at 5:30 PM on July 21, 2016


Attempt to appeal to techno-youth: Fail.

When was America "one" before?

"Enough rhetoric that only drives a wedge between us and our neighbor" ... like your democrat neighbors?

"Seen our shrinking 401(k)s"... erm, some of us remember when companies had actual retirement plans.
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 5:30 PM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


Did Trump pack the convention with bad speakers to make himself look better? (I know, I know. Nobody important wanted to speak.)
posted by double block and bleed at 5:30 PM on July 21, 2016


One of my aunts just posted this to facebook. sigh.
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 5:31 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Larry the Cable Guy?
posted by mochapickle at 5:31 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Larry the Cable Guy reference, hot stuff!
posted by cell divide at 5:31 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Larry the Cable Guy reference! I have Bingo! I have Bingo!
posted by Spathe Cadet at 5:31 PM on July 21, 2016 [17 favorites]


"Welcome to all of you who are watching at home on iPhones and on Twitter." Wow does that make her feel out of touch. Twitter is 10 years old and the iPhone is about 9.5 years old now.

Well still more relevant than her Larry the Cable Guy reference.
posted by winna at 5:31 PM on July 21, 2016


MAKE AMERICA ONE WHAT???

ONE PEOPLE
ONE NATION
ONE LEADER
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 5:31 PM on July 21, 2016 [10 favorites]


Marsha Blackburn She welcomed me! I'm watching on an iPhone! Oh I feel so welcome now.

Here is her bio: As a small business woman, author, mother, grandmother and Member of Congress, she has dedicated her service to making America a more prosperous place to live.


Marsha, Marsha, Marsha. How's that going for you honey? Are you making us more prosperous?
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 5:31 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


"Leadership is a hard-fought verb and not a subject line in an email."

My eyebrows hurt from being raised so high. I need more tea.
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 5:32 PM on July 21, 2016 [9 favorites]


Does it cost extra to have a non blonde woman speak?
posted by bongo_x at 5:32 PM on July 21, 2016 [13 favorites]




and did she mean Twitch?

I seriously doubt it.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 5:32 PM on July 21, 2016


Just like the words "freedom" and "patriotism" I've started hating Abraham Lincoln. Sorry guy.
posted by winna at 5:33 PM on July 21, 2016 [4 favorites]


"If all do not join now to join the one union ship of the voyage none will have a chance to pilot her"

guys

I haven't poured my wine yet
posted by The corpse in the library at 5:33 PM on July 21, 2016 [4 favorites]


One of my aunts just posted this to facebook. sigh.

I will send you 30 dollars via PayPal if you just reply with "* you're."

I'm absolutely serious.
posted by infinitywaltz at 5:33 PM on July 21, 2016 [22 favorites]


I was sure this lady was going to make a 'Steve Jobs, Johnny Cash, Bob Hope' joke.
posted by sporkwort at 5:33 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


She is teaching my children awful grammar. "Leadership is a verb"?
posted by nickmark at 5:33 PM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


Every time I hear "Make America One Again".
posted by Gaz Errant at 5:33 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


"Who has seen something through from the beginning through bankruptcy!"
posted by soren_lorensen at 5:34 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


"Knows firsthand that rules [...] get in the way of greatness."

Hooooly shit
posted by winna at 5:34 PM on July 21, 2016 [17 favorites]


The audience is not having this.
posted by mynameisluka at 5:34 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


"He is living the American Dream." Yep because we all dream of being born to mulitmillionaires and just playing around all of our lives.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 5:34 PM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


One of my aunts just posted this to facebook. sigh.

i just posted that pic with the caption BECAUSE ALL THE BEST ILLITERATES ARE!
posted by quonsar II: smock fishpants and the temple of foon at 5:35 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


This is also my first time braving the actual video feed, vs. experiencing it through the Filter of Meta.

As someone who does a fair bit of public speaking, this is both painful and kind of reassuring. Even my worst days have been better than what this lady is selling.

Pedigree and hurt feelings are not qualifiers for leadership.
...okay?
posted by Superplin at 5:35 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


MAKE AMERICA ONE WHAT???

One People. One Empire. One Leader.
posted by kirkaracha at 5:35 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


"hurt feelings are not a qualification for leadership" is pretty funny since Trump is mainly running because Obama burned him so bad at the correspondents' dinner.
posted by sporkwort at 5:36 PM on July 21, 2016 [14 favorites]


On a side note, I order a Clinton T-shirt last night while watching, and they shipped it today. Holy crap, I think it took a month to get my Obama shirt.
posted by bongo_x at 5:36 PM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


A god who sees fit to let you get into a nearly fatal accident, then barely walk again, is a god worthy of praise, to be sure.

Well, what can you expect from a god who crucifies his own son?
posted by Thorzdad at 5:36 PM on July 21, 2016 [5 favorites]


Does she know how badly she's bombing?
posted by howfar at 5:36 PM on July 21, 2016


What if my idea of freedom is gay marriage abortions while smoking weed?
posted by soren_lorensen at 5:36 PM on July 21, 2016 [21 favorites]


Trumpence!
posted by Hairy Lobster at 5:36 PM on July 21, 2016 [5 favorites]


So this is what happened to Golgafrincham B Ark.
posted by drezdn at 5:36 PM on July 21, 2016 [15 favorites]


"America is on the edge of great and mighty things."

Do tell...Because up until now we have been a second rate backwater.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 5:36 PM on July 21, 2016 [9 favorites]


Another blonde
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 5:37 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


Trumpence makes me giggle.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 5:37 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


That is the first time anyone has ever said or ever will say "Oklahoma loves New York"
posted by zachlipton at 5:37 PM on July 21, 2016 [5 favorites]


Remember when Republicans kept asking Dems "how's that hopey changey thing working for you?" This sounds like a very poor facsimile thereof.
posted by mynameisluka at 5:37 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


What is this obsession with football?
posted by winna at 5:37 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Holy crap, I think it took a month to get my Obama shirt.

If you want any more shirts, Scott Walker is still selling Walker for President shirts, but you can't tell him what size you want.
posted by drezdn at 5:37 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


> Do tell...

Well, for one thing, we're on the edge of electing our first woman president.
posted by Spathe Cadet at 5:38 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


"Are you ready for change?"
"NO! THAT'S WHY WE KEEP VOTING REPUBLICAN!"
posted by uosuaq at 5:38 PM on July 21, 2016 [24 favorites]


> On a side note, I order a Clinton T-shirt last night while watching, and they shipped it today. Holy crap, I think it took a month to get my Obama shirt.

Whoa -- that's new, bongo_x. It took about a month for me to get mine, and that was pretty speedy according to word on the street.*


*where "street" means "Hillary Clinton fan page on Facebook"
posted by The corpse in the library at 5:38 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Ok, this is getting entertaining. I am looking forward to more speeches about "unity" from the people who keep talking about how the other side needs to be stomped down.

... did she just talk about people's "pedigrees?"

"Bound together by the desire for faith, family, freedom, hope and opportunity... need a president who believes you have the right to your version of the American dream."

Ooh yah, I want a president who supports my version of the American dream: polyamorous multi-gender marriages, Scandanavia's health coverage and safety net, and removal of harmless plants from the dangerous narcotics list.
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 5:38 PM on July 21, 2016 [12 favorites]


"Are you ready for change?"

Knope.
posted by howfar at 5:38 PM on July 21, 2016 [10 favorites]


What is this obsession with football?

More concussed brains == more people receptive to the GOP message.
posted by tonycpsu at 5:38 PM on July 21, 2016 [8 favorites]


Fortunately my kids are well-fortified against these folks. The seven-year-old just said "he's tricking people into voting for him ... When he loses he's going to be such a crybaby about it". And the five-year-old did a hilarious crybaby face and said "wah wah wah you didn't vote for me!"
posted by nickmark at 5:38 PM on July 21, 2016 [63 favorites]


Has he learned nothing from Game of Thrones?

He's learned everything from Game of Thrones. That's the problem.


I'm becoming more and more concerned that Trump's plan to make America great again is to sacrifice Hillary Clinton to R'hllor.
posted by homunculus at 5:38 PM on July 21, 2016 [7 favorites]


This speaker's (governor of Oklahoma) mother was a mayor. Did no one tell her that pedigree is no qualification for leadership?
posted by Superplin at 5:39 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Corb - back turned, you're a hero.
posted by Sophie1 at 5:39 PM on July 21, 2016 [8 favorites]


Another blonde

A nationalistic, xenophobic rally focused on One Nation and One People which has an obsession with blonde hair and blue eyes. Never heard of that before.
posted by Justinian at 5:39 PM on July 21, 2016 [4 favorites]


One Party.
One CEO.

And, yes, the convention is being streamed somehow on Twitter, using the CBS feed on a CBSN account.
posted by oneswellfoop at 5:39 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


When I think of Oklahoma and race relations I think more of this.
posted by tivalasvegas at 5:39 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


Appropriating civil rights leaders again. A recurring theme.
posted by Talez at 5:40 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


My video cut out. When she looked back on her childhood, what was up with her America?
posted by Bella Donna at 5:40 PM on July 21, 2016


What is this obsession with football?

It's the whole team sport thing. You gotta have a team. You gotta root for a team. Because it makes you a better person or some shit. Because it is AMERICAN
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 5:40 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


I love the speakers who keep trying to insist that the Republicans have led on civil rights, and the crowd just stares at them. Yeah, that's what they came there to hear.
posted by bongo_x at 5:40 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


Thanks, tivalasvegas. I thought there was an important piece of history she skipped past.
posted by Bella Donna at 5:41 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


> More concussed brains == more people receptive to the GOP message

Nah, people with mTBIs need medical insurance and a good social safety net. Guess how I know!
posted by The corpse in the library at 5:41 PM on July 21, 2016 [7 favorites]


So... has the whole convention had this county fair-level of oratory and political engagement?
posted by Superplin at 5:41 PM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


One flesh
One bone
One true religion

posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 5:41 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


Very few have organized a mass mooning at a convention like this. I'm just saying.
posted by delfin at 5:41 PM on July 21, 2016 [15 favorites]


This speech is not good, right? I feel like my calibration is just way off but this does not seem like a successful speech.
posted by soren_lorensen at 5:41 PM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


folks, these convention threads have been a lifeline for my news-induced anxiety but tonight i just have to unplug, make some donations, and look away. please give all involved a thorough mocking for me.
posted by murphy slaw at 5:42 PM on July 21, 2016 [16 favorites]


"We will stand with our allies, like Israel and Estonia"
posted by tivalasvegas at 5:42 PM on July 21, 2016 [12 favorites]


So... has the whole convention had this county fair-level of oratory and political engagement?

The first couple of nights were pretty amateurish in comparison.
posted by bongo_x at 5:42 PM on July 21, 2016 [11 favorites]


bongo_x, it's either a tax on non-blonde women, or Palin's history has convinced them that brunette Republican women will doom the campaign.
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 5:42 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Diamond encrusted crucifix around her neck. Totally what Jesus was about.
posted by Talez at 5:43 PM on July 21, 2016 [16 favorites]


Ronald Reagan. Drink!!
posted by robstercraw at 5:43 PM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


So far, even though I haven't seen much yet, every time "Trump" and "values" are mentioned together, followed by a pause for applause, there is a, uh, tepid response at best.
posted by Superplin at 5:43 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


They're really running hard with the "all lives matter" idiocy. Which is weird, since it's so easily debunked if you give a single shit about facts. Maybe it's not weird.
posted by codacorolla at 5:43 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Again. Make America one again.
posted by SillyShepherd at 5:43 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


If the law enforcement folks keep us safe and free, then why was one day of the convention devoted to Making America Safe? I'm so confused.
posted by Bella Donna at 5:43 PM on July 21, 2016 [4 favorites]


"We will stand with our allies, like Israel and Estonia"

Once the check clears.
posted by drezdn at 5:44 PM on July 21, 2016 [12 favorites]


I love the shocked silence in response to the notion that occasional disagreement is acceptable.
posted by nickmark at 5:44 PM on July 21, 2016 [9 favorites]


Even the Reagan quote fell flat.
posted by Superplin at 5:44 PM on July 21, 2016


I just realized the most accurate pop cultural analog to Trump... The King of Ooo from Adventure Time.
posted by drezdn at 5:44 PM on July 21, 2016 [6 favorites]


This is like an X-Factor audition.
posted by howfar at 5:44 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


Donald Trump will make America one again? Yeah, right. How many members of Korean-Americans for Trump do we suppose exist?
posted by Bella Donna at 5:45 PM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


What is this obsession with football?

Some old white men micromanage the shit out of minorities every week and twice a day in August. If they fail it's because everyone else lacks "heart"

It's their way of life
posted by cmfletcher at 5:45 PM on July 21, 2016 [16 favorites]


"All Lives Matter": It's anti-abortion code.
posted by GrammarMoses at 5:45 PM on July 21, 2016 [9 favorites]


"Where immigrants could live the American dream"

Now, let's elect Trump to fix that glitch!
posted by thefoxgod at 5:45 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Wait, she used the I word, immigrants. Isn't that against the rules?
posted by Bella Donna at 5:46 PM on July 21, 2016


'To do and to be the unimaginable.'
posted by box at 5:46 PM on July 21, 2016 [5 favorites]


So... has the whole convention had this county fair-level of oratory and political engagement?

Oh God you missed the mush-mouthed fracker from last night...Herbert...something. Nobody understood a word of what he said except that he picked cotton and when he left home (circa 1940) he was given "only" a truck, a co-signed loan, and a phone. Although to be fair he was so hard to understand he might have said a comb or a bomb or a bone.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 5:46 PM on July 21, 2016 [11 favorites]


I just cleared a bunch of earwax from my ears, only to hear this kind of crap. Should've waited a day.
posted by SillyShepherd at 5:46 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


This speaker is from "The National Diversity Coalition for Trump".

they're not even trying anymore
posted by tivalasvegas at 5:46 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


"Hillary Clinton is a direct threat to the American Dream."

Wow, even that didn't get them worked up. Tough crowd tonight.
posted by Superplin at 5:46 PM on July 21, 2016




She is trying to sound enraged but is only reaching petulant.
posted by winna at 5:47 PM on July 21, 2016 [4 favorites]


Well, the speaker is certainly doing and being the unimaginable as far as I'm concerned.
posted by Bella Donna at 5:47 PM on July 21, 2016


'To do and to be the unimaginable.'

like her, doing what she's doing, where she's doing it.
posted by quonsar II: smock fishpants and the temple of foon at 5:47 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


I'm sure she's trying to come off as strong in opposition, but it's really reading as irritated and petulant.
posted by penduluum at 5:47 PM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


HILLARY CLINTON IS NOT EVEN OUR REAL MOM
posted by winna at 5:48 PM on July 21, 2016 [20 favorites]


Has she been promised the Surgeon General spot?
posted by mollweide at 5:48 PM on July 21, 2016


Secret Life of Gravy: Oh God you missed the mush-mouthed fracker from last night...Herbert...something.

I really enjoyed reading about that. I guess I just didn't have the imagination to envision what it would be like to watch him live.
posted by Superplin at 5:48 PM on July 21, 2016


What is this obsession with football?

In case it's not obvious, not only team sport, but all American, blue collar, vaguely conservative, one of the few cultural touchpoints Republicans share with significant numbers of African Americans, Midwest + Southern. Wildly popular.
posted by msalt at 5:48 PM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


DId she just roll the R on Trump or am I tripping?
posted by mynameisluka at 5:48 PM on July 21, 2016


"Hillary Clinton is a direct threat to the American Dream."

Wow, even that didn't get them worked up. Tough crowd tonight.


They're still trying to figure out how she got up there and if she's supposed to be there.
posted by bongo_x at 5:48 PM on July 21, 2016 [5 favorites]


She had to have been a cheerleader with those crazy arm movements during the speech.
posted by gatorae at 5:48 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


I am enjoying how irritated this speaker seems. Not really angry. Just insanely peeved.
posted by howfar at 5:48 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


Wait a minute, if the speaker is concerned about people who have contempt for the rule of law, why is she supporting Trump? I mean, has she noticed he cuts corners?
posted by Bella Donna at 5:48 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Fun fact: That was the entire membership of Asians for Trump.
posted by Talez at 5:49 PM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


Lisa has a weird petulant teen vibe going on.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 5:49 PM on July 21, 2016


What is this obsession with football?

It is a no-shit thing the last few years on the right that the revelation that American Football is super-damaging to athletes' brains, to the point of inducing early dementia, is a conspiracy by liberals against American vigor and manliness. It's super-fash, but that's the way the GOP is going.
posted by Pope Guilty at 5:49 PM on July 21, 2016 [11 favorites]


'To do and to be the unimaginable.'

And always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom.
posted by tonycpsu at 5:50 PM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


RLI = MLM
posted by box at 5:50 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


This is like a local access cable show hosted by a life coach and preacher who owns the county's largest used Hyundai dealership.
posted by winna at 5:51 PM on July 21, 2016 [14 favorites]


American Football is the sport with the strongest top-down management.
One Team.
One Quarterback.
One Coach.
posted by oneswellfoop at 5:51 PM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


Just insanely peeved.

Yeah it was pretty much the tone of me grousing about that one coworker that always replies-all to all-staff emails....
posted by tivalasvegas at 5:51 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


It is a no-shit thing the last few years on the right that the revelation that American Football is super-damaging to athletes' brains, to the point of inducing early dementia, is a conspiracy by liberals against American vigor and manliness.

Whaaaaaaa? That's insane. Do you happen to have any links to articles about these nutjobs?

tonycpsu: Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.
posted by Gaz Errant at 5:53 PM on July 21, 2016


If anyone on the docket tonight starts talking about "law and order," and "blue lives matter," keep in mind that today, another white cop shot an unarmed black man, who was lying on his back, with his hands in the air, while explaining to police what was happening with the handicapped white guy he was trying to protect.

Yeah. Shoot the black guy first, ask questions later.
posted by yesster at 5:53 PM on July 21, 2016 [42 favorites]


"We've got cable, beer and Jesus" are the lyrics to this garbage song.

I have none of those am I banned.
posted by winna at 5:53 PM on July 21, 2016 [5 favorites]




Apologies if it's a double: Trump's alleged prepared remarks.
posted by uosuaq at 5:54 PM on July 21, 2016


I hope Corb has protein-rich snacks. What a fricking ordeal.
posted by Bella Donna at 5:54 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


The singer altered the lyrics to be relevant to the current event! How fresh and fantastic!
posted by dhens at 5:54 PM on July 21, 2016


"As long as we got Trump girl, we got this"

Four people clap.
posted by howfar at 5:54 PM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


Can they bring that D.A. band on instead to sing "ready and steady" cause this sucks even worse than that did.
posted by Annika Cicada at 5:55 PM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


They're really running hard with the "all lives matter" idiocy. Which is weird, since it's so easily debunked if you give a single shit about facts. Maybe it's not weird.

"All Lives Matter" may have started as a slightly clueless response to "Black Lives Matter" but it's been thoroughly co-opted by the racists. From where I'm sitting It might as well be "Go back to Africa".
posted by billyfleetwood at 5:55 PM on July 21, 2016 [37 favorites]


Is he trying to play Marty's guitar solo from Back to the Future?
posted by howfar at 5:56 PM on July 21, 2016 [7 favorites]


For anyone who follows modern country, is this guy popular at all? Even by the low standards of the genre, he's not very good.
posted by codacorolla at 5:56 PM on July 21, 2016


It's been years since I've watched the RNC. Is there always so much/this music?
posted by mochapickle at 5:56 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]



Can they bring that D.A band on instead to sing "ready and steady" cause this sucks even worse than that did.


Half of that 'band' is dead and I'd still see it as a significant improvement.
posted by splen at 5:57 PM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


The House is unlikely to rock anytime soon.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 5:57 PM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


Given the notion of leak to the press and then surprise, I doubt his prepared remarks will be the same.

Also glad I don't have to watch this live.
posted by mrzarquon at 5:57 PM on July 21, 2016


Huh, according to the Politico schedule of events that last speaker, Dr. Lisa Shin, is actually from "Korean Americans for Trump". So I dunno if they rebranded or what.
posted by tivalasvegas at 5:57 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Whaaaaaaa? That's insane. Do you happen to have any links to articles about these nutjobs?

Here's one.
posted by Pope Guilty at 5:57 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


I had a fantasy today that Ivanka has been trained by her mother for years a a character assassin, and she's gonna get up there and ditch the script and tell the world her father is a monster, and multiple fistfights break out. Be careful corb and anyone else in that hall.
posted by vrakatar at 5:58 PM on July 21, 2016 [13 favorites]


I feel like the most urgent need in America is to bring true musical jams to my fellow white Americans because this music is only fit for hurling into the sea.
posted by winna at 5:58 PM on July 21, 2016 [7 favorites]


Watching this parade of women & minorities is just so stomach turning.

You don't prove your tolerance & respect for other races, genders, etc. by propping them up for a rah, rah Trump speech. You embrace them & employ them & listen to them & legislate policies that demonstrably help them. The pandering is just so pandery.

I imagine a thought bubble over every bleached blonde head & graying combover: "what a well-spoken black/Asian/woman/disabled person. How tolerant I am! Ah, I see the lily white person to my left & right are nodding in silent agreement. Yes, we are on the right side of history."
posted by narwhal at 5:58 PM on July 21, 2016 [17 favorites]


Watching this (directly! no more pinhole!) is getting me weirdly fired-up to vote for Hillary. Maybe a Pavolvian response to all the red/white/blue? It sure as hell isn't because any of the speakers are making coherent arguments for or against her.
posted by Spathe Cadet at 5:59 PM on July 21, 2016 [6 favorites]


Does anyone know who the singer (and tambourinist too, apparently) in the house band is? He looks familiar but I can't place him for some reason.
posted by noneuclidean at 5:59 PM on July 21, 2016


It's been years since I've watched the RNC. Is there always so much/this music?

I don't think so but I've never paid that close attention. They are obviously short of effective speakers. Think they are filling time.
posted by Drinky Die at 6:00 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Dr. Lisa Shin, is actually from "Korean Americans for Trump". So I dunno if they rebranded or what.

Looks like she founded Korean Americans For Trump and is also a member of the National Diversity Coalition.

Although:

"She faces an uphill battle. According to a survey of registered Asian-American voters released by nonpartisan advocacy groups in May, four out five respondents who identified as Korean had an unfavorable view of Trump — the highest number among all Asian-American ethnic groups."
posted by thefoxgod at 6:00 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Now there's just an ad for the RNC?
posted by winna at 6:01 PM on July 21, 2016


He looks familiar but I can't place him for some reason.

probably an excellent summary of his career.
posted by quonsar II: smock fishpants and the temple of foon at 6:01 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


howfar: The solo you're referencing is a tribute/ripoff of Chuck Berry's Johnny B. Goode, which G.E. Smith was almost certainly channeling. Not Back to the Future.
posted by uninformative at 6:02 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Why will the speech work? Because it manages to frame the narrative – using false or misleading data – by making this a change election. He somehow spins every disconcerting piece of news at home and abroad into a compelling social imaginary of chaos, decline and frustration. He blames Obama for everything bad and gives no credit for anything good. If you know nothing but feel insecure, the picture he paints will be electrifyingly persuasive.

The thing about strongmen is that they are prepared to tell lies democratic politicians shrink from; they show no respect for the constitutional order or for enduring institutions; they lie purely to advance the most hyperbolic version of the truth and than cast themselves as magical solution-artists. The speech is a master-class in channeling resentment and anxiety.

If you wonder what it was like in the 1930s for ordinary people to flock to demagogues, tune in tonight. America has thrown up an extremely talented one. I fear that Hillary Clinton has no idea what is about to hit her.
Andrew Sullivan liveblogging tonight for NY Magazine.
posted by dnash at 6:02 PM on July 21, 2016 [6 favorites]


what the hell kind of name is reince anyway?
posted by quonsar II: smock fishpants and the temple of foon at 6:03 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


four out five respondents who identified as Korean had an unfavorable view of Trump — the highest number among all Asian-American ethnic groups

I'm a quarter Korean, so I'm definitely going to be taking this as a point of pride from now on.
posted by tobascodagama at 6:03 PM on July 21, 2016 [9 favorites]


Is Priebus accepting an award?
posted by penduluum at 6:03 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


If anyone on the docket tonight starts talking about "law and order," and "blue lives matter," keep in mind that today, another white cop shot an unarmed black man, who was lying on his back, with his hands in the air, while explaining to police what was happening with the handicapped white guy he was trying to protect.

According to NBC, the cop's union is stating that he thought he was "protecting" Mr Kinsey when he shot him.

I think their excuse is that they were trying to shoot his unarmed client, even though Mr Kinsey was loudly and clearly letting them know his client was unharmed.

Jesus suffering fuck.
posted by howfar at 6:03 PM on July 21, 2016


Brief, hard fantasy that Preibus is fucked up and about to go WAY off message.
posted by mynameisluka at 6:03 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


Subeirp Ecnier!
posted by dhens at 6:03 PM on July 21, 2016 [7 favorites]


Looks like she founded Korean Americans For Trump and is also a member of the National Diversity Coalition.

Yeah, it's more like she is a delegate in the Model Trump UN.

My favorite representative or whatever they are in the National Diversity Coalition so far is "Derrick Jackson – South African American for Trump".
posted by tivalasvegas at 6:04 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


"We've got cable, beer and Jesus" are the lyrics to this garbage song.

What? They're ripping off Mojo Nixon now?

(I am not watching this debacle. I have been drinking peach/ginger infused bourbon and I am just about to hear the click.)
posted by octobersurprise at 6:04 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


I'm sad to say Sullivan has nailed it. Really terrifying. The U.S. yielding to fascism could actually extinguish a lot more than just the U.S. itself.
posted by argybarg at 6:04 PM on July 21, 2016


hint he is not black
posted by tivalasvegas at 6:04 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


"We are the party of the open door!"

Unspoken:
"Don't let it smack you in the ass on the way out!"
posted by double block and bleed at 6:04 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


what the hell kind of name is reince anyway?

Slate's got you.
posted by zakur at 6:05 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


Brief, hard fantasy that Preibus is fucked up and about to go WAY off message.

Please do go on.
posted by Annika Cicada at 6:05 PM on July 21, 2016


Remove priebus

Huh. Slightly surprising, but acceptable, autocorrect.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 6:05 PM on July 21, 2016


Um, I'm pretty sure that racist elitism is a fairly old idea, Priebus.
posted by experiencing a significant gravitas shortfall at 6:05 PM on July 21, 2016


How dare he actually reference Birmingham and Selma given the platform of his party.
posted by winna at 6:05 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]




The Party of New Ideas! Have We Tried Running a Fascist, Yet?
posted by gilrain at 6:05 PM on July 21, 2016 [5 favorites]


hint he is not black
posted by tivalasvegas at 9:04 PM on July 21 [+] [!]


Way to fucking ruin it, tiva!
posted by OmieWise at 6:06 PM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


The five-year-old in response to one of the API ads talking about energy and the environment: "We need a president that will help the environment and that is NOT Donald Trump! That is Hillary Clinton!"
posted by nickmark at 6:06 PM on July 21, 2016 [7 favorites]


Reince Priebus: "[...] ever since we won our freedom two centuries ago."

Two centuries ago? What do you mean "we"?

jk we all know what he means by "we"
posted by mhum at 6:06 PM on July 21, 2016 [20 favorites]


I had a fantasy today that Ivanka has been trained by her mother for years a a character assassin, and she's gonna get up there and ditch the script and tell the world her father is a monster, and multiple fistfights break out

What? and be written out of Daddy's will? It'll never happen.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 6:06 PM on July 21, 2016


Every time I hear "Chairman Priebus" my brain autocorrects to "General Grievous".
posted by soren_lorensen at 6:06 PM on July 21, 2016 [14 favorites]


In case it's not obvious, not only team sport, but all American, blue collar, vaguely conservative, one of the few cultural touchpoints Republicans share with significant numbers of African Americans, Midwest + Southern. Wildly popular.

Shall we remember that Donald Trump owned a team in an American football league that went out of business because of decisions made by owners including Donald Trump?
posted by holgate at 6:06 PM on July 21, 2016 [4 favorites]


The solo you're referencing is a tribute/ripoff of Chuck Berry's Johnny B. Goode, which G.E. Smith was almost certainly channeling. Not Back to the Future.

"Johnny B. Goode" was used in Back to the Future as the song that Marty brought back to 1955 in a kind of causal time-loop.
posted by dhens at 6:06 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


I will give Reince that, this is definitely not a normal convention.
posted by ckape at 6:06 PM on July 21, 2016


Has anyone ever responded to that "Blue lives matter" schtick with "ALL lives matter"? How'd that work out?
posted by nicebookrack at 6:07 PM on July 21, 2016 [10 favorites]


Wow even the boos for having gun rights taken away by Hilary are weak. Lots of people having second thoughts?
posted by AlexiaSky at 6:08 PM on July 21, 2016


OMFG, he brings up the Battle of Normandy while endorsing a candidate whose vision for American is one where citizens, and their kids and grandkids, have to worry about whether they're unregistered Muslims.

I've been an atheist my whole life but I will be registering as a Muslim if Trump wins and he gets his government registry going.
posted by XMLicious at 6:08 PM on July 21, 2016 [16 favorites]


LOCK HER UP
posted by Gaz Errant at 6:08 PM on July 21, 2016


LOCK UP HER ELECTORAL COLLEGE VICTORY!
posted by vrakatar at 6:08 PM on July 21, 2016 [4 favorites]


"You can kiss your gun rights way if she ever finds her way into office."

Still going with that? Huh. Cuz that never gets old.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 6:08 PM on July 21, 2016 [5 favorites]


DemocRATS want a bunch of bureaucRATS telling your doctors what drugs may or may not be safe to prescribe! We want the doctor you can't afford to see to be able to do whatever they want!
posted by uosuaq at 6:08 PM on July 21, 2016 [4 favorites]


So since Jerry Falwell Jr. already spoke, is this going to just roll right into Peter Thiel?
posted by penduluum at 6:08 PM on July 21, 2016


Holy shit, there they go with the "Lock Her Up!" chant.
Chilling.
posted by Superplin at 6:09 PM on July 21, 2016


Time for the two minutes hate
posted by gatorae at 6:09 PM on July 21, 2016 [4 favorites]


They love saying "Lock her up". That's actually the only thing they like doing.
posted by howfar at 6:09 PM on July 21, 2016


I left to get more popcorn and tea. Did I miss anything?

Lemme rephrase: did I miss anything I'm going to feel sorry about not seeing, or did I just skip another ~15 minutes of mumbling and jokes falling flat?
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 6:09 PM on July 21, 2016


He's giving this speech with all the passion of someone trying to sell you a timeshare in Tulsa.
posted by winna at 6:09 PM on July 21, 2016 [5 favorites]


The thing is, aside from the whole hating on Democrats, the things that Priebus talk about would be the same thing Democrats want. But when we look at the reddest states these things have vanished. We want better schools? Republican governors across the country basically slash school budgets under the guise of controlling spending. I don't even know what to begin to say to that.
posted by Talez at 6:09 PM on July 21, 2016 [17 favorites]


DemocRATS want a bunch of bureaucRATS telling your doctors what drugs may or may not be safe to prescribe! We want the doctor you can't afford to see to be able to do whatever they want!

Every time they say things like this they are actually endorsing single-payer
posted by tivalasvegas at 6:09 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Sullivan has hated the Clintons -- and women in politics apart from Thatcher -- for 20+ years. So, there's that filter.
posted by holgate at 6:10 PM on July 21, 2016 [11 favorites]


Molly Ball ‏@mollyesque 3m3 minutes ago
Molly Ball Retweeted Ramesh Ponnuru
If crime rates are as alarming as Trump says, leaving your door open seems like a bad idea.

posted by OmieWise at 6:10 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Shall we remember that Donald Trump owned a team in an American football league that went out of business because of decisions made by owners including Donald Trump?

According to the documentary on it, the leagues folding was largely because of Trump.
posted by drezdn at 6:10 PM on July 21, 2016 [6 favorites]


He sounds so...whiny and apologetic. Does he always sound this way?
posted by mynameisluka at 6:10 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


Even the crowd seems like they're getting tired of EMAIL, EMAIL, EMAIL. This is not an enthusiastic crowd.
posted by bongo_x at 6:10 PM on July 21, 2016


I love all the political financial gain talk, ignoring how much Trump is funneling to his own companies.
posted by mochapickle at 6:10 PM on July 21, 2016 [4 favorites]


ErisLordFreedom: nope, just more boring.
posted by penduluum at 6:10 PM on July 21, 2016


This is rich. Clinton is the one who sees the Oval Office as a cash cow? When Trump himself bragged he could run for president and turn a profit?

I'm not sure I can take this all night. You people who've been actually watching this live all week are warriors. And corb, man.
posted by Superplin at 6:10 PM on July 21, 2016 [13 favorites]


Does it strike anyone else as super funny every time someone gets angry about A SECRET EMAIL SERVER?
posted by kiltedtaco at 6:11 PM on July 21, 2016 [13 favorites]


The solo you're referencing is a tribute/ripoff of Chuck Berry's Johnny B. Goode, which G.E. Smith was almost certainly channeling. Not Back to the Future.

I think he was directly ripping off Tim May's version from the movie.
posted by howfar at 6:11 PM on July 21, 2016


He sounds like a grown-up Morty, of Rick & Morty.
posted by defenestration at 6:11 PM on July 21, 2016 [5 favorites]


nicebookrack: "Has anyone ever responded to that "Blue lives matter" schtick with "ALL lives matter"? How'd that work out?"

I got you: When the irony is cooked just right. (twitter)
posted by mhum at 6:11 PM on July 21, 2016 [8 favorites]


I suspect you have 20 minutes. Theil is the only interesting one left.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 6:11 PM on July 21, 2016


Now imagine Rodney Dangerfield reading this speech.
posted by robocop is bleeding at 6:11 PM on July 21, 2016 [4 favorites]


So how do the neverTrumps like Reince?
posted by malocchio at 6:12 PM on July 21, 2016


I've heard of terrorists taking us down… but us taking terrorists down?
posted by glhaynes at 6:12 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


"No more negotiating with terrorists" - what does this even mean? Apart from "persecuting Muslims".
posted by howfar at 6:12 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Corb and other NeverTrumpers invaded media row for an impromptu press conference!
posted by cooker girl at 6:12 PM on July 21, 2016 [43 favorites]


What? They're ripping off Mojo Nixon now?

I think The Whelk might have some choice words about that nonsense.
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 6:12 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


The gleeful hate towards Hillary is so, so disturbing. They don't just want to keep her from getting elected. They want to debase and humiliate her. It reminds me of nothing so much as Cersei's "shaming" on GOT.
posted by nakedmolerats at 6:12 PM on July 21, 2016 [12 favorites]


"Johnny B. Goode" was used in Back to the Future as the song that Marty brought back to 1955 in a kind of causal time-loop.

To complete the referential loop, for anyone who hasn't seen the sequels, the whole plot of Back to the Future 2 was about preventing Biff from becoming Donald Trump.
posted by tobascodagama at 6:13 PM on July 21, 2016 [16 favorites]


Does it strike anyone else as super funny every time someone gets angry about A SECRET EMAIL SERVER?

Every single time.

He sounds like a grown-up Morty, of Rick & Morty.

Oh my god you are right and I cannot unhear it.
posted by Gaz Errant at 6:13 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


Give the guy a break. He's got a long list of bullshit to get through in a short time.
posted by double block and bleed at 6:13 PM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


"GE, It's your cousin Marvin, Marvin Smith. You've got to hear this..." *He holds the phone up to the TV playing "Back to the Future"
posted by drezdn at 6:13 PM on July 21, 2016 [10 favorites]


How can we see that?!
posted by lauranesson at 6:13 PM on July 21, 2016


A SECRET EMAIL SERVER

Someone, probably on Metafilter, suggested that the best way to shut these people up is to ask them, "Hey, what IS a server?"
posted by tivalasvegas at 6:13 PM on July 21, 2016 [39 favorites]


This from earlier in Sullivan's liveblog about the speech also reflects the mood that feels like it's been building this whole campaign:

It’s a remarkable piece of oratory, cannily crafted, framed by massive lies and distortions, crammed with incoherence, and yet, I’m afraid to say, scarily potent. It invents a reality – that the U.S. is in a state of chaos, lawlessness and soaring crime; that the world is careening toward catastrophe – and then makes a classic argument for a strongman to set things straight.

This is a very new departure for politics in a liberal democracy. We’ve never heard an appeal from a major party platform to junk traditional democratic norms, and cede power to a new tyrant, whose magical powers will somehow cause almost every problem in the country to disappear.

posted by dry white toast at 6:13 PM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


Let's start a beer fund for Mr. Reibus.

One of us! I like him.
posted by malocchio at 6:14 PM on July 21, 2016


He sounds like a grown-up Morty, of Rick & Morty.

...and Rick and Morty is inspired by Back to the Future. It all comes full circle.

Quick, someone rig a cable to the clock tower and connect it to the TelePrompTer by 10:04pm!
posted by tonycpsu at 6:14 PM on July 21, 2016 [6 favorites]


howfar: Interesting. Wasn't Donald Trump the inspiration for the president in Back to the Future 2? G.E. Smith may be a next-level political genius troll...
posted by uninformative at 6:15 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Has anyone done "Lather, Reince, Repeat" yet?
posted by oneswellfoop at 6:15 PM on July 21, 2016 [4 favorites]


He sounds like a grown-up Morty, of Rick & Morty.

He doesn't really sound like a grown-up to me. He sounds like a very young man, like 18ish, young and unsure of himself. Almost Forest Gump. Certainly not the longest serving chairman of the RNC. I'm guessing he doesn't do a lot of public speaking, it's all strong-arm tactics in boardrooms among a few of the inner circle.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 6:15 PM on July 21, 2016


There seems to be some stirring to life now... so I guess we'll stomp it back down with some bad insurance company hold music.
posted by Superplin at 6:15 PM on July 21, 2016 [4 favorites]


Corb and other NeverTrumpers invaded media row for an impromptu press conference!

Is any channel covering it?
posted by Talez at 6:15 PM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


Someone told the band they'd only be playing one set. Oops.
posted by bongo_x at 6:15 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]




"well, i take whatever i want..."
posted by quonsar II: smock fishpants and the temple of foon at 6:15 PM on July 21, 2016


From SomethingAwful user "Quest For Glory II":

Aw geez Rick, don't you, don't you wanna make America great again?

Cmon morty we gotta stop all the *burp* r-radical islamist.. terrical..terrorists morty. we gotta stop them before they get to space morty. they're already on mars and they have WMDs

aw geez

posted by Guy Smiley at 6:16 PM on July 21, 2016 [10 favorites]


Is the tambourine guy Scott Stapp?
posted by sporkwort at 6:16 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


He sounds like a grown-up Morty, of Rick & Morty.

Nobody exists on purpose, nobody belongs anywhere, everybody's gonna die. Come watch TV.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 6:16 PM on July 21, 2016 [6 favorites]


I fear that Hillary Clinton has no idea what is about to hit her.
What I like about Sullivan is that he's able to perfectly articulate whatever's he's feeling at the moment in the moment. He was born to live-blog. The downside of that is that he often doesn't think beyond the moment. I expect that Clinton is more than cognizant of what is about to "hit her." She's been doing this shit for 30 years. Now it might not help her, ultimately, but none of this is going to come as a surprise.
posted by octobersurprise at 6:16 PM on July 21, 2016 [39 favorites]


Someone, probably on Metafilter, suggested that the best way to shut these people up is to ask them, "Hey, what IS a server?"

It's a series of tubes. Tubes full of BENGHAZI.
posted by delfin at 6:16 PM on July 21, 2016 [16 favorites]


Wasn't Donald Trump the inspiration for the president in Back to the Future 2?

Not the President, just Biff Tannen running all of Hill Valley from his giant casino.
posted by dry white toast at 6:16 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


democrat party

Every time I hear someone use the word democrat as an adjective instead of a noun, I want to break things.
posted by chaoticgood at 6:17 PM on July 21, 2016 [10 favorites]


Do the younger Republicans understand the Hillary hate? Or does it seem weird to them?

The younger Dems don't seem to understand the way she was attacked from the first moment, and therefore the loyalty some of the older women have for her.
posted by zennie at 6:17 PM on July 21, 2016 [7 favorites]


The band members keep looking off to the left with fear and uncertainty in their eyes, as if they're thinking "Yep, still being held hostage at gunpoint."
posted by defenestration at 6:17 PM on July 21, 2016 [11 favorites]


"Now let me tell you a story about a great man, a man who worked his ass off for $1 a year..."

Riiight. Like the Pyramid scheme con artist whose mom worked all her life and wore the same coat for 40 years. That's the real problem with us shiftless Democrats-- we discard our coats every 10 or 20 years. Although, to be fair, those Made in China coats do tend to fall apart faster.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 6:17 PM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


ultimately, but none of this is going to come as a surprise.
posted by octobersurprise


Do I even need to say the word?
posted by tivalasvegas at 6:17 PM on July 21, 2016 [13 favorites]


and gary richrath rolls over in his grave.
posted by quonsar II: smock fishpants and the temple of foon at 6:18 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


Donald and Melania arriving. Boy do they look unhappy. Especially her.
posted by bongo_x at 6:18 PM on July 21, 2016 [5 favorites]


I love the band. All of them. All the time.
posted by OmieWise at 6:19 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Hillary et al are well-adapted to normal politics. This is not normal.
posted by argybarg at 6:19 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


I remember Sullivan telling us all that Obama could never beat Romney after the first debate. He was convinced of it.
posted by howfar at 6:19 PM on July 21, 2016 [17 favorites]


Every time I hear someone use the word democrat as an adjective instead of a noun, I want to break things.

It's an early-warning idiot alert. Like how when someone goes between subway cars you know they are up to no good
posted by tivalasvegas at 6:20 PM on July 21, 2016 [5 favorites]


Tubes full of BENGHAZI.

Oh great. Now I'm going to have Benghazi and Bengay mixed up in my mind. Honey, could you pick me up some Benghazi for my sore knee?
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 6:20 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


The band members keep looking off to the left with fear and uncertainty in their eyes, as if they're thinking "Yep, still being held hostage by gunpoint."

they have crypt keeper on lead guitar what can go wrong
"hey boys and ghouls its me your one memory of staying up too late on saturday nights
you might remember me as
g e smith
but now i bring good things to
DEATH"
posted by robocop is bleeding at 6:20 PM on July 21, 2016 [8 favorites]


Wow Melania really likes white dresses with big sleeves. I had to google to make sure she wasn't wearing the exact same dress as on Monday (its not). Weird choice to do a visual callback to the last time we saw her.
posted by gatorae at 6:20 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


That was an amazing bit of projection on Priebus's part. Really well-done. Four stars.
posted by RakDaddy at 6:20 PM on July 21, 2016


So torn. Thiel is the guy who destroyed Gawker, but now he's speaking at the RNC. It's like when Eileen Collins was talking.
posted by Justinian at 6:21 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


How much coke did Peter Thiel take?
posted by procrastination at 6:21 PM on July 21, 2016 [4 favorites]


GET HYPE
RAISE YOUR DONGERS
posted by penduluum at 6:21 PM on July 21, 2016 [8 favorites]


Holy adderall.
posted by defenestration at 6:21 PM on July 21, 2016 [10 favorites]


Oh, that's how you pronounce "Thiel."
posted by Spathe Cadet at 6:21 PM on July 21, 2016 [7 favorites]


Tubes full of BENGHAZI.

For some reason, I can't get Tool's Sober video out of my mind now.
posted by tonycpsu at 6:21 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Is he a robot?
posted by OmieWise at 6:22 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


I'm not a politician and neither is Donald trump.
posted by AlexiaSky at 6:22 PM on July 21, 2016


Ouch. You know what the hardest thing abou... TIMING... t comedy is?

Peter Thiel does not.
posted by Justinian at 6:22 PM on July 21, 2016 [7 favorites]


I wish I was that cranked to the gills on whatever Thiel is.
posted by mollweide at 6:22 PM on July 21, 2016 [5 favorites]


Here comes Thiel. He speaks. In staccato. As if. He is. Sending a. Telegram.
posted by winna at 6:22 PM on July 21, 2016 [8 favorites]




Lots of mentions of Clinton, but the crowd response isn't as rabid as I expected--except when they were chanting "Lock Her Up!"
posted by Superplin at 6:22 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


Oh, that's how you pronounce "Thiel."

Considering how well they've run everything else so far, maybe not.
posted by ckape at 6:22 PM on July 21, 2016 [4 favorites]


Never seen video of Thiel before...hard to estimate how many lines he's done.
posted by uosuaq at 6:22 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


He's such a cartoon Nazi.
posted by howfar at 6:22 PM on July 21, 2016


Is he a robot?

MARCO?!?!?!?
posted by tivalasvegas at 6:23 PM on July 21, 2016


They want to debase and humiliate her.

The Yulia Tymoshenko treatment.
posted by holgate at 6:23 PM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


Thiel has had his top, front teeth bleached and bonded together for better brushing efficiency.
posted by defenestration at 6:23 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


Don't besmirch the reputation of cocaine in such a manner.
posted by yesster at 6:23 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Donald and Melania arriving. Boy do they look unhappy. Especially her.

Especially their son, who looks like every 11-year boy who has been forced to put on a suit and sit through a long, boring thing.
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 6:23 PM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


I AM. SPEAKING. ABOUT. THE FUTURE.
posted by RakDaddy at 6:23 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


This strangely Germanic robot who smiles awkwardly is quite convincing. Nice try, Stanford engineering students, you crazy kids!
posted by AndrewInDC at 6:23 PM on July 21, 2016 [13 favorites]


NOBODY ROCKS LIKE... CLEVELAND!!!
posted by soren_lorensen at 6:23 PM on July 21, 2016


Government was once high-tech.

GEE, I WONDER WHAT HAPPENED.
posted by zennie at 6:23 PM on July 21, 2016 [8 favorites]


Man, I can't believe I was looking forward to/kind of afraid of this. He's a fucking disaster. He looks like somebody offstage is pointing at him and holding a detonator.
posted by penduluum at 6:23 PM on July 21, 2016 [8 favorites]


STOP
posted by mynameisluka at 6:23 PM on July 21, 2016


Hillary et al are well-adapted to normal politics. This is not normal.

True, but the Clinton team has all the playbooks from the Obama teams, I reckon, they are not exactly terrible at this new social media battlefield, and they will bring all the important tactics and lessons from the traditional playbook. Hillary Clinton has been in big time politics since the 90's. She can beat this ham and egger.
posted by vrakatar at 6:23 PM on July 21, 2016


Peter Theil: "You weak ass embarrassed millionaires, You can do it if you work hard like me! Look at me!"
posted by Annika Cicada at 6:23 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


thiel to begin karate pronounced karate routine soon
posted by robocop is bleeding at 6:24 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


Referring to two technological projects strongly associated with Democratic politicians. Interesting.
posted by howfar at 6:24 PM on July 21, 2016


I'm watching with the sound off (because sanity) and he just looks so, so angry. Like he's about to hulk out.
posted by une_heure_pleine at 6:24 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


How is this man supposed to be appealing?
posted by mochapickle at 6:24 PM on July 21, 2016


Thiel looks terrified, and this speech is fucking terrible.
posted by codacorolla at 6:24 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Sorry they don't know if it's going to run.
posted by cooker girl at 6:24 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Wait, Hillary Clinton invaded the Middle East?
posted by thefoxgod at 6:24 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


He is like the evil person in a SF movie that you know is a robot because they eschew contractions.
posted by winna at 6:24 PM on July 21, 2016 [4 favorites]


"In 1968, all of America was high-tech"... er, in in 1980, I lived in a house in Arkansas with no indoor plumbing and no electricity. He's got a weird definition of "high-tech."
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 6:24 PM on July 21, 2016 [11 favorites]


So few of these speakers are familiar with the legacy of George W. Bush.
posted by ckape at 6:24 PM on July 21, 2016 [5 favorites]


Woooooow. This is terrible.
posted by soren_lorensen at 6:25 PM on July 21, 2016


is he botoxed from his upper lip upwards?
posted by futz at 6:25 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


uh...end the era of stupid wars? THAT THE GOP STARTED WHAT?
posted by Annika Cicada at 6:25 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


Wait, invading the Middle East is Hillary Clinton's fault?
posted by waitingtoderail at 6:25 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Gay Man Throws Trans People Under Bus, Film at Eleven.
posted by Justinian at 6:25 PM on July 21, 2016 [33 favorites]


Did I actually get RT'ed by the RNC house band on twitter hahahaha.

I'm sorry but there was no real reason for your tweet. I get that you might not like it but they're up there, they're doing their thing, and they're happy. It's really shitty to shit on someone who's doing that.
posted by Talez at 6:25 PM on July 21, 2016


Man, I can't believe I was looking forward to/kind of afraid of this. He's a fucking disaster. He looks like somebody offstage is pointing at him and holding a detonator.

Right down to the dry mouth.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 6:25 PM on July 21, 2016


Exactly! Who cares which bathroom someone uses!! Oh, wait...
posted by Gaz Errant at 6:25 PM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


"Now we are told the great debate is about who gets to use which bathroom"

??? Y'all Republicans are the ones who brought it up
posted by tivalasvegas at 6:25 PM on July 21, 2016 [13 favorites]


I didn't know what Peter Thiel looks like and just tuned in and would have sworn this was some fill-in dude that runs Trump Steaks or whatever
posted by theodolite at 6:25 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


Really? Theil is really just going to repeat what everyone else said?
posted by bongo_x at 6:26 PM on July 21, 2016


Did Thiel just come out of the closet?
posted by The corpse in the library at 6:26 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Weird techsnobbery from Thiel. Sometimes new tech isn't better tech. Core memory is super useful in space, e.g.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 6:26 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Invading the middle east is a huge mistake, so vote for the guy who wants Congress to formally declare war on ISIS!
posted by gatorae at 6:26 PM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


FUCK HIM

The bathroom bills issue -- he said WHO CARES?

YOUR FUCKING PARTY CARES. YOUR PARTY STARTED THIS.

FUCK YOU.
posted by yesster at 6:26 PM on July 21, 2016 [67 favorites]


Fact checking the Trump speech
posted by zarq at 6:26 PM on July 21, 2016


MSNBC came in late, was Thiel blaming Hillary for the B-2 bombers having issues flying the rain?
posted by sideshow at 6:26 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


I'm on a big corporate commuter bus heading home after a day of privilege as a well-paid white professional. But it's still easy to see problems with America in Silicon Valley. Who is driving the bus? A black woman. Who works in the corporate kitchens on campus? Brown men and women. Every single day during my commute I ponder race and class. So sorry, Thiel, you folks in the 1% don't have a fucking clue about Silicon Valley in its entirety nor what the US needs as a whole. Fuck you, fuck your tribe, may you rot in hell. Not that I have feels about this guy or anything.
posted by Bella Donna at 6:26 PM on July 21, 2016 [38 favorites]


"In 1968, all of America was high-tech"

Bonkers.
posted by glhaynes at 6:27 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Thiel is about to explain what was great about the album "Sports" by Huey Lewis.
posted by drezdn at 6:27 PM on July 21, 2016 [24 favorites]


Weird techsnobbery from Thiel.

It's singularity or bust for that fucker.
posted by holgate at 6:27 PM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


There you go: back to the Future.
posted by OmieWise at 6:27 PM on July 21, 2016


Did Thiel just come out of the closet?

He's pretty openly gay.
posted by dis_integration at 6:27 PM on July 21, 2016


Hey Thiel, if you're so proud to be gay why the fuck are you suing Gawker for daring to mention it?
posted by dnash at 6:27 PM on July 21, 2016 [4 favorites]


"Who cares what bathroom you use?" Where were you when the GOP was passing laws about who gets to use which bathrooms? You know the GOP? The people you are talking to right now, trying to fire up?
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 6:27 PM on July 21, 2016 [5 favorites]


Did Thiel just come out of the closet?

He wasn't in the closet. Gawker outed him, that's why he made it his life's work to destroy them.
posted by Justinian at 6:27 PM on July 21, 2016 [8 favorites]


they're doing they're thing, and they're happy. It's really shitty to shit on someone who's doing that.

please feel free to shit all over g.e. smith, the pandering little whore.
posted by quonsar II: smock fishpants and the temple of foon at 6:27 PM on July 21, 2016




Literally says Trump is taking us back to the future.
posted by Drinky Die at 6:27 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


Thiel is running for mayor of cleveland right?
posted by OHenryPacey at 6:27 PM on July 21, 2016


I'm not sure Debussy was the right choice
posted by theodolite at 6:27 PM on July 21, 2016 [4 favorites]


his eyeballs are pinballing all over the place. a medic should check him for a TBI when his speech is over.
posted by futz at 6:28 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


Hillary et al are well-adapted to normal politics. This is not normal.

No, on this scale, in the US, it isn't normal. But is it "not normal" Trump casts a spell over 51% and wins or is it "not normal" and 51% (or more) say what the fuck and he loses? I don't think anyone knows at this point.
posted by octobersurprise at 6:28 PM on July 21, 2016


Hey Thiel, if you're so proud to be gay why the fuck are you suing Gawker for daring to mention it?

Because it's the gay person's right to determine who they come out to and when.
posted by Talez at 6:28 PM on July 21, 2016 [22 favorites]


That's it? I was led to believe there would be something interesting. Oh well, on to the main event. Good luck, all.
posted by Gaz Errant at 6:28 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


I was worried that Thiel would bring elevator speech ninjitsu.

Turns out he's just some spoiled rich ratfucker that fell upward.
posted by Yowser at 6:28 PM on July 21, 2016 [4 favorites]


I just want Thiel to tell us to consider an animal and then have his assistant bring that animal out.
posted by drezdn at 6:28 PM on July 21, 2016 [14 favorites]


> He's pretty openly gay

I thought he'd been outed by Gawker but hadn't acknowledged in public that he was gay.
posted by The corpse in the library at 6:28 PM on July 21, 2016


Thiel is so reprehensible he MUST be planning to pick up the torch if/when Trump fails.
posted by oneswellfoop at 6:28 PM on July 21, 2016


Kicking myself for not having bought some buildings in NYC when I was a kid.
posted by glhaynes at 6:28 PM on July 21, 2016 [27 favorites]


Oh good. More glowing endorsements from Trump offspring. I was starting to go through withdrawal, it's been so long.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 6:28 PM on July 21, 2016 [4 favorites]


This is a perfectly good time for a commercial for real estate, I guess

Not like there's anything else going on
posted by penduluum at 6:28 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


David Brooks: "Good to see an actual billionaire speaking at this convention."
posted by AndrewInDC at 6:28 PM on July 21, 2016 [27 favorites]


Proud to be gay? Well I guess destroying Gawker was a waste of time and money, then.
posted by ckape at 6:28 PM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


Did Maddow just say that Thiel opposes women having the vote?
posted by chapps at 6:29 PM on July 21, 2016 [4 favorites]


Why are they running this 33 rpm speech at 45rpm?
posted by iamabot at 6:29 PM on July 21, 2016 [7 favorites]


Did I actually get RT'ed by the RNC house band on twitter hahahaha.

It's GE Smith! Of the Saturday Night Live band!
posted by wondermouse at 6:29 PM on July 21, 2016


Wow, what a scummy, scummy speech.
posted by codacorolla at 6:29 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


I wish I was that cranked to the gills on whatever Thiel is.

Billions of dollars? Me too!
posted by paper chromatographologist at 6:29 PM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


The Trump girl on CNN has a constant look like she's terrified something or someone is about to jump out from behind the stage and attack her.
posted by splen at 6:29 PM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


YOUR FUCKING PARTY CARES. YOUR PARTY STARTED THIS.

To be fair, he wadded that up and threw it back at them.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 6:29 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Trump learned by osmosis? That explains so much ...
posted by Bella Donna at 6:29 PM on July 21, 2016


The 'outing' was 2007... he was pretty open at the time just not to potential business partners who might not like it.
posted by oneswellfoop at 6:29 PM on July 21, 2016


Yeah I guess uh, I didn't even tag them or anything, like, how did they find that on my small ass meaningless twitter account and retweet it?
posted by Annika Cicada at 6:30 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Donald Trump Jr.: So few people get the opportunity to work alongside their kids. Um, what?
posted by dhens at 6:30 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Was that from The Great Gatsby?
posted by glhaynes at 6:30 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


EWWWWWWWW.
posted by howfar at 6:31 PM on July 21, 2016


what
posted by OmieWise at 6:31 PM on July 21, 2016


Did Maddow just say that Thiel opposes women having the vote?

He said that it was a setback for the libertarian cause. He believes all kinds of weird mechatechaAynRand shit.
posted by holgate at 6:31 PM on July 21, 2016 [15 favorites]



Did Maddow just say that Thiel opposes women having the vote?

Yep. He's got some real, real special views. He's less of a republican and more of a post-Objectivist Nietzschean.
posted by soren_lorensen at 6:31 PM on July 21, 2016 [14 favorites]


Hey, it's some random rich asshole!
posted by box at 6:31 PM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


I guess the libertarian part of being a gay libertarian means that you don't care how your party treats your fellow LGBTQ citizens, so long as you're rich enough to avoid the externalities.
posted by codacorolla at 6:31 PM on July 21, 2016 [32 favorites]


For a brief instant I was sure he was just going to walk straight across the stage and off the other side.
posted by penduluum at 6:31 PM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


Grandfather lived long enough to see the roots of his success. WTF?
posted by Bella Donna at 6:31 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Did Maddow just say that Thiel opposes women having the vote?

Probably because he actually believes that women's suffrage is an affront to democracy.
posted by zombieflanders at 6:31 PM on July 21, 2016 [31 favorites]


"No more negotiating with terrorists" - what does this even mean? Apart from "persecuting Muslims".

Whatever it means, I'm sure it doesn't mean he'll refrain from doing the kinds of things Reagan did: after Iraq had been removed from the State Department list of State Sponsors of Terrorism sell Saddam arms and anthrax and chemical weapon precursors.
posted by XMLicious at 6:31 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


"here's some cocaine"
posted by double block and bleed at 6:32 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


Yike!
posted by chapps at 6:32 PM on July 21, 2016


how did they find that on my small ass meaningless twitter account and retweet it?

Something to do while the speeches are on, other than count their money.
posted by holgate at 6:32 PM on July 21, 2016 [3 favorites]


I just want Thiel to tell us to consider an animal and then have his assistant bring that animal out.

I was thinking the exact same thing the whole time he was speaking!
posted by Superplin at 6:32 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


I guess I need to work on better subtweeting.
posted by Annika Cicada at 6:32 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


But I thought negotiating was Trump's whole thing.
posted by ckape at 6:33 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


"You're just like the deceased at an Irish wake" .... what, he's supposed to allow people to be morose and drink a lot and randomly start dancing or fighting, and then go back to being miserable?
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 6:33 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


Why, oh why, can't they be chanting Barrack, Barrack, Barrack for this guy...
posted by OHenryPacey at 6:33 PM on July 21, 2016 [4 favorites]


"He's good enough, he's smart enough, and gosh darn it, people like him!"
posted by dhens at 6:33 PM on July 21, 2016 [8 favorites]


there was no real reason for your tweet.

I don't think you understand Twitter.
posted by nom de poop at 6:33 PM on July 21, 2016 [15 favorites]


Why are they running this 33 rpm speech at 45rpm?
For giggles and if you are watching on youtube, go to settings, rewind and play Fran Tarkenton's speech at .5 speed.
posted by yertledaturtle at 6:34 PM on July 21, 2016


Women Will Vote for Trump Because Their Husbands Can't Pay the Bills, Trump Adviser Says:
MANAFORT: Many women in this country feel they can’t afford their lives. Their husbands can’t afford paying for the family bills...
MATTHEWS: You know what you just said, however. You said women are concerned about their husbands’ income.
MANAFORT: I can speak personally to that.
MATTHEWS: Is that the 21st century talking? That’s their big concern?
posted by kirkaracha at 6:34 PM on July 21, 2016 [24 favorites]


Tom Barrack, CEO of Colony Capital: real estate investor and the Founder and Executive Chairman of Colony Capital. Prior to starting his own business, Barrack served in the Reagan administration as Deputy Undersecretary of the Department of the Interior. Barrack and Donald Trump have worked together on many real estate deals during their time in business. They have developed a mutual admiration and respect, leading Barrack to support Trump’s bid to be President of the United States.

Got a big cheer for saying "I have nothing negative to say about Hillary Clinton only good things to say about Donald."
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 6:34 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


who is this guy
is this harry shearer
posted by robocop is bleeding at 6:34 PM on July 21, 2016 [8 favorites]


uh...end the era of stupid wars? THAT THE GOP STARTED WHAT?

Obama's done enough massacring and destruction all on his own initiative. 160 civilians in Syria yesterday, FUCK YEAH DEMOCRAT PARTY WOO USA.
posted by save alive nothing that breatheth at 6:34 PM on July 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


But I don't have a wife.
posted by The corpse in the library at 6:34 PM on July 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


"an easy place to find [Trump] is in his children."

Are we still doing "phrasing?"
posted by Spathe Cadet at