Chase the Clouds Away
July 25, 2016 12:34 PM   Subscribe

The Democratic National Convention in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, starts today.

On the schedule, day one:

AAPI (Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders) Caucus. "The Congressional Asian Pacific American Caucus (CAPAC) is comprised of Members of Congress of Asian and Pacific Islander descent and members who have a strong dedication to promoting the well-being of the Asian American and Pacific Islander (AAPI) community. Currently chaired by Congresswoman Judy Chu, CAPAC has been addressing the needs of the AAPI community in all areas of American life since it was founded in 1994. CAPAC is non-partisan and bi-cameral."

Native American Council Caucus. "NCAI was established in 1944 in response to the termination and assimilation policies the US government forced upon tribal governments in contradiction of their treaty rights and status as sovereign nations. To this day, protecting these inherent and legal rights remains the primary focus of NCAI."

Black Caucus. "Since its establishment in 1971, Members of the Congressional Black Caucus (CBC) have joined together to empower America’s neglected citizens and address their legislative concerns."

Hispanic Caucus. "The CHC aims to address national and international issues and the impact these policies have on the Hispanic community. The function of the Caucus is to serve as a forum for the Hispanic Members of Congress to coalesce around a collective legislative agenda. The Caucus is dedicated to voicing and advancing, through the legislative process, issues affecting Hispanics in the United States, Puerto Rico, and the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands."

Ethnic Council. "The NDECC reaches across all ethnic, racial, national origin, and religious identifications to the common heritage that America’s diverse constituencies share as immigrants to a pluralistic nation, committed to democracy, human rights, peace, opportunity, fairness, and freedom."

Disability Council. "NCD is an independent federal agency charged with advising the President, Congress, and other federal agencies regarding policies, programs, practices, and procedures that affect people with disabilities."

Small Business Owners Council.

Veterans and Military Families Council.

Labor Council.

After the 'gavel in' at 4:00 pm Eastern/Standard Time (US), speakers will be:

Pam Livengood. Pam and her husband Jon acquired legal guardianship of their grandson because of his parents' addictions to drugs.

Karla and Francisca Ortiz. "Karla is an American citizen but her parents, including mother Francisca, are undocumented and live in fear of deportation. Karla met Hillary Clinton in Nevada and was featured in the ad, 'Brave.' "

Anastasia Somoza.
"Anastasia was born and raised in New York City, is fluent in both English and Spanish, and has been a disability rights advocate and human rights defender since the age of nine."

Astrid Silva. "They said no when I wanted to be a cheerleader. They said no when I wanted to attend a magnet school. They kept saying no. In my teen angsty way, I was annoyed. I thought they were being unfair," Silva wrote about her parents in a 2014 opinion piece in USA Today. "As I grew up, I started to understand that they weren't being unfair, they were afraid. They were afraid they'd have to show papers and people would discover we were undocumented."

Senator Bernie Sanders.

First Lady of the United States Michelle Obama.
posted by misskaz (3188 comments total) 58 users marked this as a favorite
 
Check out how diverse that line up is. This. This is what gives me hope.
posted by cooker girl at 12:37 PM on July 25, 2016 [41 favorites]


Thanks everyone for being generally excellent in these megathreads. You are a wonderful community.
posted by aspersioncast at 12:37 PM on July 25, 2016 [46 favorites]


Additional live streams (the DNC homepage will apparently have one as well):
- twitch
- youtube
posted by cortex at 12:38 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


(This FPP is posted with cooker girl's permission, btw. Not trying to steal the thunder of her earlier deleted, excellent, but just a tad too-early thread.)
posted by misskaz at 12:38 PM on July 25, 2016 [14 favorites]


There was an article linked in the last thread that I thought was very good and worth posting again – The Hillary Haters.

This passage in particular stood out to me as something that I feel like I’m seeing a lot:

Rosner also makes a fairly standard progressive case against Clinton. “I don’t like her support for the Iraq war,” she says. “She didn’t support same-sex marriage until it became a popular issue. Her email stuff—she is the only one that would not testify, and I think that’s bullshit. I don’t like her friendship with Netanyahu. I think they’ve destroyed the Middle East with Iraq. I don’t like that she takes money from big banks. She doesn’t support universal health care. For all those reasons. I think she’s more a Republican than a Democrat, and I refuse to vote for Republicans, ever.”

All the same, Rosner says she would happily vote for Joe Biden, who also voted for the Iraq war. In the Senate, Biden was known for his deep ties to the credit card industry, and as a presidential candidate, he didn’t support universal health insurance. “Yeah, Biden does not have all the positions I would like, but he has a certain kind of humanity that touches me,” she says.


Great post – thank you.
posted by triggerfinger at 12:38 PM on July 25, 2016 [55 favorites]


If this isn't too off-topic, is there a way folks have been able to look after their emotional health in the midst of all of this? I keep diving in, hoping that I'll find the political news that will ease the anxiety.

"Unplug" hasn't helped as advice. Or at least advice on how to unplug would be helpful. I can't make it to November this way.
posted by argybarg at 12:39 PM on July 25, 2016 [28 favorites]


Strap in, it's going to be a bumpy thread.

I find that I'm having to remind myself constantly that the election is not until November, and we will have debates, and more people will realize how horrible Trump is/would be, and the #NeverHillary crowd will realize that present massive crises should be prioritized over ideological disputes, and everyone will get a puppy, and rainbows will be in the sky every day...

Right? Right?
posted by Gaz Errant at 12:39 PM on July 25, 2016 [11 favorites]


angry hiss
posted by poffin boffin at 12:39 PM on July 25, 2016 [11 favorites]




(Another million thanks to cortex and taz for being overwhelmingly excellent and for suggesting I ask someone else to post, and to misskaz for agreeing to do so. This would have been my first FPP, fyi.)
posted by cooker girl at 12:40 PM on July 25, 2016 [75 favorites]


Trump's speech just now;

Clinton is a backstabber for throwing DWS under the bus, Sanders is weak because he got boo'd, some rambling craziness about Clinton taking naps.

That really worked out well.
posted by bongo_x at 12:41 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


I also heard that Elizabeth Warren is speaking tonight, but I can't seem to find a schedule with actual times.
posted by k8bot at 12:41 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


Ugh, I was going to vote Trump but I can't get behind a candidate who is anti-nap.
posted by the uncomplicated soups of my childhood at 12:41 PM on July 25, 2016 [113 favorites]


argybarg, I re-watch a lot of the Clinton speeches and especially any of Tim Kaine's recent ones. I look at the diversity represented at the DNC. I also snuggle my kitties a lot and roughhouse with the dog.
posted by cooker girl at 12:41 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


I live here in Philly. I work a lot but I'm off on Wednesday. If anyone has any ideas on stuff I could do to support Secretary Clinton, that'd be cool.
posted by lazaruslong at 12:41 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]




I am having a really hard time with the anti-Hillary booing, the selfish obstructionism, and Bernie Sanders' response (or lack thereof). Like emotionally, I'm just having a really hard time with the idea that there are this many people who hate Hillary more than they hate the specter of white supremacist fascism. This is the most frightened I've been, because I remember Nader.

So I just wanted to say that I'm really grateful for these threads and this community. This might be what keeps me sane today.
posted by schadenfrau at 12:42 PM on July 25, 2016 [136 favorites]


By all means let's make naps a partisan fulcrum. I'm fucking #teamnaps till they put me in the ground.
posted by penduluum at 12:43 PM on July 25, 2016 [33 favorites]


If you take a nap in the afternoon, you'll be better rested for that 3am phone call everyone is always talking about in politics.

I'm pro-nap.*

*In theory. In reality, I can't seem to take naps - if I sleep it'll be for at least 5 hours.
posted by el io at 12:43 PM on July 25, 2016 [11 favorites]


Right there with you, schadenfrau. Sending hugs and good vibes.
posted by stolyarova at 12:43 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


Ugh, I was going to vote Trump but I can't get behind a candidate who is anti-nap.

Giant Orange Toddler Refuses Nap

this shit just writes itself
posted by Existential Dread at 12:43 PM on July 25, 2016 [121 favorites]


Another cheer for MetaFilter, and especially these daily threads. You're doing a great job of meta-filtering all the noise on FB and Twitter.
posted by monospace at 12:43 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


Sam Wang, Princeton Election Consortium: The polls are always bouncing to the left and to the right
posted by the man of twists and turns at 12:44 PM on July 25, 2016 [9 favorites]


Ugh, I was going to vote Trump but I can't get behind a candidate who is anti-nap.

As a parent of a four year old, I say we need more naps, the best naps, YUGE naps!
posted by Fleebnork at 12:44 PM on July 25, 2016 [23 favorites]


Really hoping that this convention is gonna turn out okay. The last few days -- Trump's giant gurning face leering over his own shoulder at the acceptance speech, the DNC email debacle, the poll numbers, the implacability of the Bernie-or-Busters, the alarming number of people in my facebook feed saying they are done with the Democratic Party -- has got me legit worried.
posted by Vic Morrow's Personal Vietnam at 12:44 PM on July 25, 2016 [7 favorites]


Apparently Warren will speak after Michelle Obama. Hmmm. The DNC really ought to update its schedule.
posted by cooker girl at 12:45 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


Check out how diverse that line up is. This. This is what gives me hope.

Actual diversity in the form of whole entire caucuses and councils, not just cherry-picked tokens.

"Unplug" hasn't helped as advice. Or at least advice on how to unplug would be helpful.

Unplugging for unplugging's sake is basically never going to get you any where. They key is to unplug and go do something. See Ghostbusters or Star Trek, since I'm hearing good stuff about both. Weather allowing, go play some Pokemon GO. Grab a book you've been meaning to read, or binge a Netflix show you've been meaning to watch (Stranger Things is great).
posted by tobascodagama at 12:47 PM on July 25, 2016 [13 favorites]


What are all the caucuses actually doing today?
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 12:47 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


I'm really anticipating an excellent convention here people. This is a great lineup.
posted by aspersioncast at 12:47 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


is there a way folks have been able to look after their emotional health in the midst of all of this?

I spent Saturday building a wooden stool for my basement workbench. I then had a few celebratory cocktails seated on that bench.

Don't just unplug, find something where you won't think about any of this for a few hours.
posted by cmfletcher at 12:48 PM on July 25, 2016 [14 favorites]


The DNC convention site's schedule lists just the speakers in the FPP (great fpp btw, well done cooker girl and misskaz), but this article has more names, then this one has some different people. I just want an accurate listing of who is speaking when! Why is that so hard!
posted by everybody had matching towels at 12:48 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


I'm happy to put in a vote for Stranger Things! Stranger Things for president! (Also saved me 6+ hours of political head-banging.)
posted by argybarg at 12:49 PM on July 25, 2016 [24 favorites]


If this isn't too off-topic, is there a way folks have been able to look after their emotional health in the midst of all of this?

At least for this week realize a rowdy convention is not going to lose Hillary the election. Whatever happens will be largely and quickly forgotten, and the rest will be forgotten when the debates begin.
posted by edeezy at 12:49 PM on July 25, 2016 [11 favorites]


the Stranger Things opening credits for president 2016
posted by burgerrr at 12:49 PM on July 25, 2016 [27 favorites]


You know who naps? Sleeper cells. Very sad.
posted by Kabanos at 12:50 PM on July 25, 2016 [12 favorites]


Debates? There will be debates?

Look, if Trump says he's not going to release his tax releases, there is nothing preventing him from saying he won't debate Clinton. He's very comfortable breaking from established tradition in his race to win.
posted by el io at 12:51 PM on July 25, 2016 [10 favorites]


One thing is for sure, there will be a lot of MeFites with engorged livers after November. And possibly beyond.
posted by Kitteh at 12:51 PM on July 25, 2016 [11 favorites]


“No naps for Trump! I don’t take naps!” - Donald Trump

Donald Trump's crazy
He always smokes dust
He's got his own room
At the back of the bus
posted by Sys Rq at 12:51 PM on July 25, 2016 [7 favorites]


I think, scadenfrau, we've got a pretty big plurality of people who "hate" Clinton (or at least find her unpalatably corrupt/dishonest) and also fear Trump, and all those things you mention.

The "good" news is that fear usually wins out over dislike, so I don't think there's anything to worry about, in that way.

The bad news is, fear-vs-dislike is a long way from hope and change, so there's no way this election season is ever going to be positive or happy or full of exciting energy, even if and when we get the very likely (and clearly preferable) result.

So I guess I'm saying... be content and don't fret over the lack of joy. Resigned sad votes count just as much as passionate ones, anyway.

Content is good enough when you're dodging bullets.
posted by rokusan at 12:51 PM on July 25, 2016 [6 favorites]


I work right next to City Hall. Bernie supporters have been protesting non-stop literally all day long... in 98-degree heat.

I'm thinking Hillary doesn't have the support she thought she did.

Once the RNC was over, I looked at that shit typhoon and said to myself, "All the democrats have to do is not fuck this up."

The next morning I got up and read about a Wikileaks release and just shook my head. I'm still going to vote, but I'm also going to start getting used to the idea of a President Trump, because the democrats seem to be great at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
posted by prepmonkey at 12:52 PM on July 25, 2016 [23 favorites]


the Stranger Things opening credits for president 2016

I'll see you and raise you John Carpenter's Lost Themes. Carpenter/Thing 2016!
posted by Existential Dread at 12:52 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


If this isn't too off-topic, is there a way folks have been able to look after their emotional health in the midst of all of this?
I'm sure that I'll have good ideas later on, but right now I'm just succumbing to the rage blackout. There may be some angry cleaning tonight. At least the kitchen floor will be spotless.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 12:52 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


After last week I actually have a severe desire to just ignore the convention and unplug from political coverage completely for a while. This is warring with a need to hear some optimism from the DNC speeches. What looks like a war between StillBernies and the rest of the Democrats is definitely making me lean towards the unplug option.
posted by Gaz Errant at 12:53 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


At least for this week realize a rowdy convention is not going to lose Hillary the election.

The #NeverHillary folks are a minority even among Bernie supporters, and many of them will probably come around if Clinton can avoid doing anything to pointlessly antagonise them (like, I dunno, hire DWS back right after she resigns over stupid shit she said in the DNC leaks emails) for a while and Kaine gets a chance to talk up his anti-redlining work.
posted by tobascodagama at 12:54 PM on July 25, 2016 [26 favorites]


"Unplug" hasn't helped as advice. Or at least advice on how to unplug would be helpful. I can't make it to November this way.

I have a dictionary-length Twitter keyword blocklist and also I spend a lot of time reflecting on how there is literally nothing that will get me to change my vote so paying any solid attention to the shitshow is just going to make me less enthusiastic about either my vote (DNC) or human civilization (RNC).
posted by griphus at 12:54 PM on July 25, 2016 [11 favorites]


I am SO FUCKING excited about Sarah McBride being invited. Here's a speech of hers which is full of awesome.
posted by odinsdream at 12:54 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


I'll see you and raise you John Carpenter's Lost Themes yt . Carpenter/Thing 2016!

the stranger things soundtrack is sooo john carpenter. i saw him live a month or two ago and it was wonderful. i fully support carpenter/things 2016

also: getting out into nature like going to a river or lake or something where you can float around and drink beers and not look at the internet/politics is going to be key for the next few months
posted by burgerrr at 12:54 PM on July 25, 2016 [6 favorites]


My picks for unplugging the past couple weekends/weeknights: Stranger Things, reading a book (Becky Chambers' A Long Way to a Small Angry Planet was my pick on Saturday, which was some good old fashioned space opera), and playing Starbound.
posted by yasaman at 12:54 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


I need a paper bag to breathe into, a stiff drink, and a lot of Netflix. I'm prone to subclinical generalized anxiety but it's been going full-on clinical because of this. I can't stop thinking about the world my little boy is growing up in to.

On a practical tip: we just bought a new house and it needs a new kitchen pretty desperately, but I'm going to put that off until November because I'm a Canadian dual citizen and I might need that money to flee the country with my family. Totally not joking.
posted by soren_lorensen at 12:54 PM on July 25, 2016 [13 favorites]




There's been buzz that the Clinton camp is also uninterested in debates, el io.

The thinking being that she has a comfortable lead now and won't win over any new converts anyway (and doesn't need them) while the wild randomness Trump can introduce could tip over the cart in so many unpredictable ways. It's better to stay in control, etc.

(Not sure how I feel about that, other than modern debates are always far too staged anyway. I'd love the League of Women Voters, or some other independent group, back in charge, but that'll never happen again. Again, too much wild randomness. Better to stay in control.)
posted by rokusan at 12:55 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


[Reminder to anyone currently unmoored in time: there's been threads all throughout the primary season that you can go back and reread if where you are right now is wanting to experience mid-primary-season arguments. Re-litigating all of that in here is not going to make this a more useful or interesting thread.]
posted by cortex (staff) at 12:55 PM on July 25, 2016 [46 favorites]


The feed is live, for those who want to watch.
posted by stolyarova at 12:55 PM on July 25, 2016


Kaine gets a chance to talk up his anti-redlining work.

Uh no offense but if you think the people in Philly holding "Hillary for Prison" signs are going to start supporting the ticket because Kaine's progressive policy wins...

I mean that's just not going to happen.
posted by (Arsenio) Hall and (Warren) Oates at 12:56 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


So, where are folks on the "Who Gives a Shit" scale regarding the wikileaks thing? I see a lot of facebook noise about it, but is it something people are really up in arms about?

Personally, I'm not thinking it's a "surely this" moment. Looks like a few DNC staffers were assholes, but not like a concerted, organization-wide effort to bring down Sanders. But I haven't read all 90 kajillion emails, just the out-of-context quotes from the most damning 5 or 6 that have been publicized.
posted by Cookiebastard at 12:56 PM on July 25, 2016 [10 favorites]


What are all the caucuses actually doing today?

They basically get together and talk about the issues that affect them and how the party platform is going to address those issues.

Also, Donna Brazile took it upon herself to apologize on behalf of the DNC about the leaked emails at the Black and Hispanic Caucuses.
posted by cooker girl at 12:57 PM on July 25, 2016 [7 favorites]




If this isn't too off-topic, is there a way folks have been able to look after their emotional health in the midst of all of this? I keep diving in, hoping that I'll find the political news that will ease the anxiety.

"Unplug" hasn't helped as advice. Or at least advice on how to unplug would be helpful. I can't make it to November this way.


Back in 2008 People on the Internet thought Palin was a masterstroke and the RNC was the death knell of Barack Obama.
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 12:57 PM on July 25, 2016 [26 favorites]


"Let's Go Crazy" is not a good music choice to be starting this off with.
posted by zachlipton at 12:57 PM on July 25, 2016 [11 favorites]


Yeah, I'm just pretending that none of this is happening (with the exception of popping into threads about it on Metafilter). I'm voting for Hillary Clinton. There's no question. Nothing anyone says is going to change that. So I just ... don't need the anger and the negativity and the outrage. There's enough terrible and serious stuff happening in the world that I would rather devote my limited capacity for being outraged and serious to. We don't need to follow, dissect, thinkpiece, and argue about every blow in this protracted and terrible torment of an election.
posted by ChuraChura at 12:57 PM on July 25, 2016 [22 favorites]


The feed is live, for those who want to watch.

Bah, I was hoping for the Condiment Cam.
posted by tonycpsu at 12:57 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


Self-care: Stranger Things and pro wrestling. Having a partner who doesn't want to watch convention coverage so all I can do is read Metafilter (and he looks askance if I've been online for too long so I eventually have to close the laptop.) Writing my feelings in a google doc essay that I intend to post to Facebook eventually but may not. Hiding posts on Facebook that get me riled up.
posted by misskaz at 12:57 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


"Unplug" hasn't helped as advice. Or at least advice on how to unplug would be helpful. I can't make it to November this way.

I've enjoyed watching Crazy Ex-Girlfriend and Ghostbusters and re-watching Hell On Wheels and Black Sails.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 12:57 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


Prince is always a good music choice to be starting a thing off with.
posted by prize bull octorok at 12:58 PM on July 25, 2016 [14 favorites]


cortex: Re-litigating all of that in here is not going to make this a more useful or interesting thread.

But... but... re-litigating is how I deal with my anxiety. It's easier on the liver!
posted by clawsoon at 12:58 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


I was a Bernie supporter that reluctantly but with certainty moved to support Hillary. If you were a Bernie supporter, you probably have like minded friends are Bernie supporters. You probably know some that haven't moved their support to Hillary yet. You are in the best position to change their minds (more so than folks that have supported Hillary from the start, anyways). Use that influence, if they are going to listen to anyone is a like-minded person who is a friend.

I did that, I converted a least one person who was going to either not-vote or to vote 3rd party (in a contested state) from a Bernie-or-bust to a reluctant Hillary supporter.

It is through efforts like this that Hillary will overcome; if we fall prey to apathy or resignation the worst may occur.
posted by el io at 12:59 PM on July 25, 2016 [45 favorites]


As they said in a recent French election, "vote for the crook, not the fascist"
posted by acb at 12:59 PM on July 25, 2016 [54 favorites]


Look, at least it wasn't Darling Nikki.
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 12:59 PM on July 25, 2016 [9 favorites]


China Russia. The worst kind of Russia.
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 12:59 PM on July 25, 2016 [32 favorites]


Say, does MeFi have a person there this time? Having corb's insights from the room where it happened was great last week.
posted by dnash at 12:59 PM on July 25, 2016 [17 favorites]


So, where are folks on the "Who Gives a Shit" scale regarding the wikileaks thing?

Like the email server "scandal" I'm betting not a lot of people give a shit. OF COURSE people talk smack in what they think is private email, everyone does that. OF COURSE they tried to short circuit Sanders, he was their rival.

At this point, while I'm not a huge fan of Hillary, the world is shaping up to be back alley knife fight and I think she's the best choice for that sort of world. Though I would have happily voted Bernie.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 1:00 PM on July 25, 2016 [11 favorites]


Hey so a few months back, I was looking into helping with voter registration drives in Alabama after the law change. I got a response from the ACLU's Alabama branch recentlythat is like to share:
We actually are working on a state wide voter know your rights program specific to Alabama. We developed a toolkit and we are training people to register voters with an eye to getting into rural communities. Our interns this summer are hosting taring sessions under the direction of our public advocacy director. http://aclualabama.org/wp/take-action/voting-rights-toolkit/

We are working with many grassroots organizations for example the Montgomery Pride and Alabama Coalition for Immigrant Justice. If you have any questions please ask.
Many people have been asking how they can help this cycle. I encourage you to look into supporting voter registration/information drives in your community.
posted by Joey Michaels at 1:00 PM on July 25, 2016 [14 favorites]


For anybody who wants a calm voice and some good old-fashioned journalism, Dan Rather is a steady ship.
Anybody who has ever sat in the stands of a baseball game knows a few boos can cut through a chorus of cheers. And from someone who has worked a lifetime in television, I can tell you that the camera will always find a pocket of discord in a sea of agreement.

These are the real fears among Democratic party leaders as they gather for their convention. Already we have seen Bernie Sanders supporters boo, not only Hillary Clinton partisans, but Sanders himself when he called for unity. For those around with memories of the 2000 election and the role that Ralph Nader's campaign played in handing the White House to George W. Bush, this is terrifying. They worry that even if the vast majority of Sanders supporters come to Clinton with their votes, vocal holdouts could undermine all the work on unity and prove fatal in the fall.

Make no mistake, Donald Trump can win this. and Democratic leaders are pulling their hair out wonder why, in their words, the prospect of a Trump administration isn't enough to scare people straight. They want to shout at the Sanders supporters, imagine Trump in charge of the power of FBI investigations, the courts, foreign policy. But for some reason this is not resonating as broadly as they hoped, at least at the present. Bernie Sanders is now playing the role of good soldier, but that may no longer be enough. Maybe people just want a moment to vent. Maybe the waters run much deeper. Will there be disruptions among the delegates during the prestige prime-time speeches? We will know soon.
He's covering the DNC this week as he covered the RNC last week, and he uses Facebook Live!
posted by stolyarova at 1:00 PM on July 25, 2016 [37 favorites]


> Back in 2008 People on the Internet thought Palin was a masterstroke and the RNC was the death knell of Barack Obama.

Really? Because I remember her as a Hail Mary pass from an already embattled candidate. Maybe for one shining moment it looked like the RNC picked a VP from an underserved demographic they needed and this could mean something, but then she talked.
posted by cjorgensen at 1:01 PM on July 25, 2016 [8 favorites]


One thing I’ll be watching for in this convention is a solid, salient, redefinition of the anger underpinning the misinformed classes that make-up some of Trumps world, then a solid redirect with Dem values and vision.
posted by uraniumwilly at 1:01 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


is there a way folks have been able to look after their emotional health in the midst of all of this?


I am really sorry, I feel like in my fear and pessimism I have brought others down in the previous thread.

I wanted to give you a list of tools that help me whenever I feel overwhelmed. I hope they can help you as well.

The thoughts room (this is one of my personal favorites)

Audio sessions for relaxation, self care and meditation

Calm.com meditation

Anxiety and self care apps

Living life to the full (there is a panic button I have used, and there are other sessions you can use as needed)

Stress Analyst and other resources from the same website
posted by Tarumba at 1:02 PM on July 25, 2016 [63 favorites]


So, where are folks on the "Who Gives a Shit" scale regarding the wikileaks thing?

The lower end. There have not as yet been any smoking guns or really troubling emails. We see the ugly reality of kissing donor asses. We see that some members of the DNC preferred Hillary, but we haven't seen any evidence that this was translated into organization action. It all just seems like the kind of things people in a large organization say privately to each other despite maintaining a united public face.

To me the most troubling aspect of the email leak has been the evidence that suggests that this was done by Russia. If that's true it's fairly disturbing.
posted by Sangermaine at 1:02 PM on July 25, 2016 [26 favorites]


So if Trump were to win I wonder how Mexico will respond to the massive influx of immigrants?
posted by bongo_x at 1:03 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


YOUTUBE HAVE 360 DEGREE VIDEO!

We're living in the future here, people!
posted by Talez at 1:04 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


As a parent of a four year old, I say we need more naps, the best naps, YUGE naps!

“this nation should commit itself to achieving the goal, before the decade is out, of napping before noon, and awaking nicely refreshed.”
posted by zamboni at 1:04 PM on July 25, 2016 [11 favorites]


As they said in a recent French election, "vote for the crook, not the fascist"

They took that one from us - when David Duke came within arms reach of winning the Louisiana governorship.
posted by NoxAeternum at 1:04 PM on July 25, 2016 [9 favorites]


I am really sorry, I feel like in my fear and pessimism I have brought others down in the previous thread.

I think people need to understand the real effects this has on people, though. I wouldn't be sorry. (That said, you're of course not obligated to participate).
posted by zutalors! at 1:05 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


I'll see you and raise you John Carpenter's Lost Themes yt . Carpenter/Thing 2016!

Oh hey those are my friends in the band S U R V I V E!

BAD ASS group to see live. BAD ASS.
posted by Annika Cicada at 1:05 PM on July 25, 2016 [6 favorites]


So if Trump were to win I wonder how Mexico will respond to the massive influx of immigrants?

They have a strategy for this: they'll have Trump US Taxpayers build a wall, and convince them it's to keep Mexicans out.
posted by el io at 1:06 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


To me the most troubling aspect of the email leak has been the evidence that suggests that this was done by Russia.

And what else do they have? I mean is this basically it (the DNC leaks) or is this election in jeopardy?
posted by futz at 1:06 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Looks like a few DNC staffers were assholes, but not like a concerted, organization-wide effort to bring down Sanders.

Well, of those released so far (WikiLeaks says there will be further dumps in the days to come), any that I've read mentioning Sanders at all do so in a negative way, while those mentioning Hillary tend to be about supporting her, helping her, coordinating with her team, or otherwise giving her positive support.

No smoking guns, of course, but since a lot of us assumed all along that the establishment-types pre-chose Hillary before she even declared, and the whole veil of neutrality was a silly lie anyway, it's no shock. Some people are outraged by this, a lot are faux-outraged, most seem to be "well, duh". I'm a duh-camper; of course she was going to be the candidate, and if that's the best we got, then fine, it's still better than the alternative and I hope her baggage isn't so heavy it derails her. I have trouble getting angry about it, though. It's like the NSA spying in the years before Snowden confirmed it: of course they were.

But like you, I have not read all of the e-mails. So many are just typical office noise about scheduling and info-seeking that it's easy to zone out. Maybe there are some in there that discuss positively impacting other candidates.
posted by rokusan at 1:07 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


Back in 2008 People on the Internet thought Palin was a masterstroke

Palin was (quite properly) called out as ridiculous from the moment she was announced.
posted by rokusan at 1:08 PM on July 25, 2016 [7 favorites]


So, where are folks on the "Who Gives a Shit" scale regarding the wikileaks thing?

DWS was forced to resign, Donna Brazile was forced to resign right after being given the chair and DWS will not be allowed to speak at the convention. Seems like a pretty big deal.

I'm curious how far back the emails go. They only released emails after Sanders wasn't competitive any longer, but if the emails from the start were just as bad or worse it could really blow up in their faces.
posted by stavrogin at 1:08 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


I work right next to City Hall. Bernie supporters have been protesting non-stop literally all day long... in 98-degree heat.

I'm thinking Hillary doesn't have the support she thought she did.


It's easy to thinking Hillary doesn't have much support when you're surrounded by angry protestors, but keep in mind the people who support Hillary (whether they originally voted for Bernie or not) are mostly not going to be the ones out protesting anything this week. We're going to be quietly going about our daily routine at home and at work, and hoping the speeches at the DNC are as inspiring as we hope they'll be.

If I've learned anything about Hillary supporters throughout this election season, it's that they're a relatively quiet but steady bunch. She managed to win the primary while it seemed like everyone was shouting at or about her from all sides. Clearly she has a good amount of support. Hopefully it'll be enough, and hopefully she'll gain more this week if they're able to get the "damn emails" stuff out of the way and focus on their message.

The people I know personally who voted for Bernie have told me, without my even asking them, that they're voting for Hillary and they're okay with that. I certainly don't know everyone and I know that doesn't apply to every single Bernie voter, but I try to keep them in mind when I feel myself sliding into doom and gloom.
posted by wondermouse at 1:08 PM on July 25, 2016 [44 favorites]


> OF COURSE they tried to short circuit Sanders, he was their rival.

He wasn't supposed to be the DNC's rival. The DNC had an obligation to remain impartial.

> To me the most troubling aspect of the email leak has been the evidence that suggests that this was done by Russia. If that's true it's fairly disturbing.

That's the kicker for me, but in the exact opposite way. Notice no one is challenging the veracity of the emails, just the source. This is literally shoot the messenger sort of stuff, no one likes a tattletale, so we should disregard the contents?

Also, I don't buy the Russians. But even if true, all that does is show Democrats suck at securing servers. Harboring Snowden, revealing backend shenanigans…if it is the Russians someone owes Putin a bottle of something good. He's done more for US transparency than Clinton or Obama.
posted by cjorgensen at 1:09 PM on July 25, 2016 [26 favorites]


And what else do they have? I mean is this basically it (the DNC leaks) or is this election in jeopardy?

This is probably the most frightening thing about the leaks. If it actually is Russian-backed, and if there IS a smoking gun, it's quite possible it's just being held for an October surprise.
posted by Gaz Errant at 1:09 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


To me the most troubling aspect of the email leak has been the evidence that suggests that this was done by Russia.

Is there any evidence of this? I've only seen claims, and those claims have some pretty questionable motives behind them.

Generally speaking, foreign powers don't hack servers and then dump the results on WikiLeaks. Does that seriously sound like Russia? That's what renegade kids do.

Foreign powers take what they learn and silently use it in the future. That's intelligence.
posted by rokusan at 1:10 PM on July 25, 2016 [10 favorites]


The polls are always bouncing to the left and to the right

It's my belief that my big polls should be held every night.
posted by kirkaracha at 1:11 PM on July 25, 2016 [36 favorites]


I don't even know how to talk to people anymore. It's like I live in a fundamentally different reality. If somebody thinks that Trump isn't so bad and it's just being overblown by the media, or that Clinton stole the election from Sanders, or that Clinton is the most corrupt candidate since Nixon... what the fuck am I supposed to do with that? I've tried. It doesn't work. People don't listen. It makes me feel like maybe I'm the crazy one. I just don't know how to even cope with this anymore.
posted by showbiz_liz at 1:11 PM on July 25, 2016 [80 favorites]


Whee! Flying Liberty Bell! (video)
posted by zachlipton at 1:11 PM on July 25, 2016


To be fair, the e-mail from the guy saying people were mocking the DNC for having bad cyber-security gloating about having excellent cyber-security is hilarious.
posted by the uncomplicated soups of my childhood at 1:11 PM on July 25, 2016 [8 favorites]


I think the email leak is a massive mistake for Trump in the long term. The emails themselves are extremely underwhelming and the vast majority of people just don't care; but how the leak happened opens up the issue of Russian interference in an American election and, more broadly, Trump's relationship with the Russian sphere of influence and his dependency on Russian capital.

His big sell is "I can't be bought," and now journalists are digging in and finding that in fact he's essentially owned by Russian oligarch creditors. The only policy he cared about in the RNC platform was the Crimea plank. There are scores of other concerning connections.

The influence of a foreign autocratic party on American politics is a huge fucking story. The influence of a foreign power on an actual major candidate for President is literally the stuff of Hollywood nightmares. THAT has legs.
posted by schadenfrau at 1:11 PM on July 25, 2016 [87 favorites]


the #NeverHillary folks are a minority even among Bernie supporters, and many of them will probably come around if Clinton can avoid doing anything to pointlessly antagonise them (like, I dunno, hire DWS back right after she resigns over stupid shit she said in the DNC leaks emails)...

Just to nip this in the bud (b/c God knows no one was doing this in my facebook feed), Hillary has apparently given DWS the same position that Obama gave Eva Longoria in 2012.
posted by sparklemotion at 1:12 PM on July 25, 2016 [36 favorites]


"My eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord"?

Nice apocalypse prediction.
posted by stolyarova at 1:12 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


This is literally shoot the messenger sort of stuff, no one likes a tattletale, so we should disregard the contents?

Also, I don't buy the Russians. But even if true, all that does is show Democrats suck at securing servers. Harboring Snowden, revealing backend shenanigans…if it is the Russians someone owes Putin a bottle of something good. He's done more for US transparency than Clinton or Obama.

cjorgensen

I...you really don't see the problem with foreign governments interfering with a Presidential elections?

Generally speaking, foreign powers don't hack servers and then dump the results on WikiLeaks.

They do if they calculate it could influence an ongoing election in favor of a candidate who has gone on record saying things like he might pull out of NATO and might not defend countries in case of Russian aggression.
posted by Sangermaine at 1:12 PM on July 25, 2016 [37 favorites]


To be fair, the e-mail from the guy saying people were mocking the DNC for having bad cyber-security gloating about having excellent cyber-security is hilarious.

And the email about using someone's lack of religion against him? That's something I would expect from the GOP.
posted by cjorgensen at 1:12 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


Is there any evidence of this? I've only seen claims, and those claims have some pretty questionable motives behind them.

A brief guide to the evidence.
posted by Gaz Errant at 1:12 PM on July 25, 2016 [9 favorites]


The 360 degree livestream seems glitchy.
posted by waitingtoderail at 1:13 PM on July 25, 2016


The FBI is now officially acknowledging its investigation into a massive breach of the Democratic National Committee's computers, which sources and experts say was likely the work of government hackers in Russia.

That's not the FBI specifically saying Russia just yet, but this appears to be the general inclination of the people the FBI will look to for assistance.
posted by Lyn Never at 1:13 PM on July 25, 2016 [10 favorites]


The 360 livestream is fine here with the exception that they have comments open right now.
posted by cmfletcher at 1:14 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


Notice no one is challenging the veracity of the emails, just the source.

Except that they have been challenging the veracity of the emails, especially when evidence that some had been altered by Russian language PCs was found.
posted by NoxAeternum at 1:14 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


Trump on Elizabeth Warren: "She’s got a fresh mouth. Other than that, she’s got nothing going."

The normalization of avenging one's grievances against "uppity" women continues unchecked.
posted by zombieflanders at 1:15 PM on July 25, 2016 [78 favorites]


It's also useful to keep in mind that the conventions are hyper focused. The race for the election hasn't really started yet, I'd wait until August to see how things are going.

The debates should be pretty interesting this time around though. I'll watch'em just to see what Trump says.

And the email about using someone's lack of religion against him? That's something I would expect from the GOP.

Meh, pretty much all politics is dirty and at least dips its toe in whatever pool is the dirtiest.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 1:15 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


The emails themselves are extremely underwhelming and the vast majority of people just don't care; but how the leak happened opens up the issue of Russian interference in an American election and, more broadly, Trump's relationship with the Russian sphere of influence and his dependency on Russian capital.

Yuge. Very yuge.

David Frum, no leftist (it was he who came up with W's "Axis of Evil" speech), said this:

Even the biggest news inside the DNC emails is about one/one-zillionth as big as Russian interference in US elections …
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 1:15 PM on July 25, 2016 [18 favorites]


I have to say, this choir is giving me literal chills. Absolutely beautiful and seeing the little old lady on the floor singing along has made me feel a lot better.
posted by hollygoheavy at 1:15 PM on July 25, 2016


And the email about using someone's lack of religion against him? That's something I would expect from the GOP.


Oh, I think it's terrible and unquestionably evidence of corruption but I'm assured that the DNC e-mail leaks are a nothingburger.

At the very least, with the removal of DWS we finally get to see a chair being thrown.
posted by the uncomplicated soups of my childhood at 1:15 PM on July 25, 2016 [16 favorites]


Twitch works if the 360 stream isn't doing it for you.
posted by zachlipton at 1:16 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Digging this slow-burn baton-swapping arrangement of Battle Hymn. Great build, way to use a choir.
posted by cortex at 1:16 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


And the email about using someone's lack of religion against him? That's something I would expect from the GOP.
To be clear: someone suggested that they do it, but they didn't actually do it, right? So people are ok with electing the dude who literally wants to block Muslims from the country because someone suggested, but didn't go through with, pointing out that a candidate is an atheist?

And yeah, the Republicans 100% would have run with it, which is part of the thing that concerned people who pointed out that Bernie had never faced a really nasty campaign.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 1:17 PM on July 25, 2016 [41 favorites]


This is literally shoot the messenger sort of stuff, no one likes a tattletale, so we should disregard the contents?

Yeah, but it's not some impartial messenger. If it were they'd release everything - including the opposition files on Trump that were accessed. Given those aren't being released (who knows, maybe they'll be released in the future, but I doubt it) the messenger is a highly partisan actor with a desired outcome in mind - that's not some objective source by any means.

Also, I don't buy the Russians. But even if true, all that does is show Democrats suck at securing servers. Harboring Snowden, revealing backend shenanigans…if it is the Russians someone owes Putin a bottle of something good. He's done more for US transparency than Clinton or Obama.

Respected security firms were pointing fingers that way before the contents were leaked. I'm not sure what drives your skepticism, or who you think may be responsible, but it seems a pretty likely scenario to me. They are harboring Snowden (which I appreciate) because it pisses off the US and the US intelligence community - not out of altruism or a desire for transparency in American politics.

As far as the Democrats sucking at securing servers... If that were true hundreds of folks would have hacked them, not just Russian intelligence. It's not a trivial matter to secure computers against a well-funded highly skilled adversary that is persistent in their attacks. Organizations that spend tens of millions of dollars a year on cyber security fail in this.
posted by el io at 1:17 PM on July 25, 2016 [23 favorites]


DWS was forced to resign, Donna Brazile was forced to resign right after being given the chair and DWS will not be allowed to speak at the convention. Seems like a pretty big deal.

Cite for Brazile's resignation? I haven't seen anything about this. 6 hours ago, she tweeted: As I transition, grateful for the opportunity. CNN, ABC cut ties with Donna Brazile, freeing her up for DNC job, and nothing except Convention pics since.
posted by palindromic at 1:17 PM on July 25, 2016 [6 favorites]


Oh, I think it's terrible and unquestionably evidence of corruption

How? It was an idea never acted on. It's no secret people working for the DNC liked Clinton more, but it's not wrong to have personal opinions. Did they ever act on them? Is there anything showing they ever actually treated Sanders unfairly or withheld support from him?
posted by Sangermaine at 1:17 PM on July 25, 2016 [7 favorites]


Also, I don't buy the Russians. But even if true, all that does is show Democrats suck at securing servers. Harboring Snowden, revealing backend shenanigans…if it is the Russians someone owes Putin a bottle of something good. He's done more for US transparency than Clinton or Obama.

You're more concerned about "transparency*," which I guarantee is not even on Putin's list, than you are about Russia attempting to influence the US election in support of a man who wants to scrap NATO, and whose campaign manager is basically THE media relations guy for former Soviet states' dictators? That boggles my mind.

*in this case of private emails
posted by OmieWise at 1:17 PM on July 25, 2016 [38 favorites]


YouTube regular, non-360 stream. Chat and comments disabled.
posted by dnash at 1:17 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


This weekend I was appalled but not surprised to discover that my Bernie-lovin' friend is also a #NeverHillary who said, and I quote "They'll never let Trump do anything bad, they'll control him."

I didn't gasp in shock because I've seen this online too, but in the few months we have left, I'm going to keep working on him. He's old enough to remember the Cold War, smart enough to understand building on what you have instead of burning shit down. I've just gotta find a persuasive argument. Part of the problem is that his wife is even more into the Clinton-hating camp and he is very loyal.
posted by emjaybee at 1:17 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]




At the very least, with the removal of DWS we finally get to see a chair being thrown.

SLOW CLAP.
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 1:18 PM on July 25, 2016 [24 favorites]


> At the very least, with the removal of DWS we finally get to see a chair being thrown.

She was given a different job, so she went from unofficially working for Hillary to officially working for her. A Clinton always pays her debts.
posted by cjorgensen at 1:19 PM on July 25, 2016 [11 favorites]


I remain dubious, Gaz. If the argument is that this "in a Russian time zone" group also hacked the State Department, the White House and the Joint Chiefs (!), and their goal was to hurt Clinton or disrupt this election for some reason, I suspect there'd be something a little more damaging in one of those other targets than they'd ever find in the piddly DNC server.

Since the FBI is (finally?) investigating, I suppose we'll have some sort of answer in 8-10 months. Until then, I guess we have to wait and see if anything truly shocking comes down the pipe in the next week or two. But based on WikiLeak's history of overhype and underdelivery, I don't expect much.
posted by rokusan at 1:19 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


SHE MISSED THE GAVEL! IT'S A DISASTER! PACK IT UP PEOPLE!
posted by Talez at 1:19 PM on July 25, 2016 [7 favorites]


Baltimore Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake calls the convention to order, walks off the stage, realizes she forgot to bang the gavel, runs back.
posted by zachlipton at 1:19 PM on July 25, 2016 [11 favorites]


Twitch works if the 360 stream isn't doing it for you.

but turn the chat off, yo. gear icon on the bottom right
posted by murphy slaw at 1:20 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


That gavel moment was adorable.
posted by acidic at 1:20 PM on July 25, 2016 [10 favorites]


Uh no offense but if you think the people in Philly holding "Hillary for Prison" signs are going to start supporting the ticket because Kaine's progressive policy wins...

Sure, of course some people are going to be a complete lost cause. But they're a minority of a minority of a minority and not really worth thinking about, electorally-speaking. (I feel bad for anybody who actually knows one of them personally or professionally, though.)

There are likely a lot more folks who want to vote Clinton but have reservations about her, personally, and my hope is that Kaine can win them over.

So, where are folks on the "Who Gives a Shit" scale regarding the wikileaks thing?

Me, I'm at like negative a thousand shits. I'm not gonna dig through however many terabytes of e-mails, and so far the bits people are picking out to toss around haven't struck me as particularly interesting.

Most importantly, none of these people who were privately backing Clinton seem to have done anything to affect the actual primary elections, so as far as I'm concerned Sanders still lost fair and square.

Though I would have happily voted Bernie.

Same. Would have preferring to vote for him, even. But I'll be even happier if he uses his base of support to pressure the Dems from the left and maybe get some more like-minded democratic-socialists into Congress starting with the next midterms.

DWS was forced to resign, Donna Brazile was forced to resign right after being given the chair and DWS will not be allowed to speak at the convention.

Sorry, what's this about Donna Brazile resigning? She's resigned from her media positions at CNN and ABC, which seems entirely fair and is a total non-issue. She hasn't, as far as I know, resigned from her position as interim DNC chair.

Just to nip this in the bud (b/c God knows no one was doing this in my facebook feed), Hillary has apparently given DWS the same position that Obama gave Eva Longoria in 2012.

What her role actually is doesn't matter. It's the optics of giving her a position right after she resigned the chairship in disgrace.
posted by tobascodagama at 1:20 PM on July 25, 2016 [10 favorites]


As a sidenote, in about five minutes, we have already seen more black women on stage in this convention than all last week.
posted by zachlipton at 1:20 PM on July 25, 2016 [40 favorites]


I think what cjorgensen is saying is that the job itself doesn't matter, it's the appearance of reward for what many people see as corrupt behavior. The way it looks. The "optics" of it.*

It's a big fancy package with a bow on it. The value of the contents inside doesn't matter much; the message has been sent already.

* I hate this term so much.
posted by rokusan at 1:21 PM on July 25, 2016 [10 favorites]


Look, at least it wasn't Darling Nikki.

Don't be silly. Nobody buys magazines anymore.
posted by phearlez at 1:21 PM on July 25, 2016 [12 favorites]


I've just gotta find a persuasive argument.

I've been thinking about this a lot, and I keep coming back to, "what will you say to [insert minority] when Trump [does terrible thing he's promised to do]?"

At it's core, are your feelings more important than someone else's life?
posted by schadenfrau at 1:21 PM on July 25, 2016 [14 favorites]


That gavel moment was adorable.

[img src=drudgerptSiren.gif] BREAKING:Opening gavel flub at DNC! WORSE THAN ALL OF RNC PUT TOGETHER, BOTH SIDES! BOTH SIDES!
posted by odinsdream at 1:22 PM on July 25, 2016 [11 favorites]


I'm getting warm fuzzies. THIS IS WHAT I WANTED after last week's terror. Warm fuzzies for all! #MakeAmericaFuzzyAgain <3
posted by stolyarova at 1:22 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


I remain dubious, Gaz.

Your prerogative. Just pointing out the evidence, and also the fact that many prominent commentators on both sides of the aisle are not as dismissive.
posted by Gaz Errant at 1:22 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


Twitch can be hilarious so imma check that feed
posted by Foci for Analysis at 1:23 PM on July 25, 2016


It wasn't just the DNC servers, hackers were also targeting the personal e-mail accounts, and possibly cellphones of DNC staffers, for no other reason than they were researching Trump's campaign manager. Who, in what is seeming less and less like a coincidence, has worked on pro-Putin campaigns.
posted by zombieflanders at 1:23 PM on July 25, 2016 [44 favorites]


Boyz II Men!
posted by palindromic at 1:24 PM on July 25, 2016


BOYZ II MEN!
posted by Talez at 1:24 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


More black people have been on-stage at the DNC so far than there were black delegates at the entire RNC.
posted by odinsdream at 1:24 PM on July 25, 2016 [13 favorites]


Okay if they had to open with a Christian-y thing (which they didn't of course but if they felt they had to) I support the choice of an AME church choir singing the Battle Hymn of the Republic instead of some shouty prayer. The signature marching song of Union soldiers? Repurposed by the suffragettes and the civil rights movement? Sung by an all-black choir? Yes. Let's do this.
posted by BlueJae at 1:24 PM on July 25, 2016 [35 favorites]


They're REALLY trying to remind everyone how good the 1990s really were.
posted by Talez at 1:24 PM on July 25, 2016 [8 favorites]


WOOOO BOYZ II MEN!!!
posted by numaner at 1:24 PM on July 25, 2016


MOTOWNPHILLY OH YEAH!
posted by Gaz Errant at 1:25 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


What's infuriating here is that if hacks showed that Trump's actual campaign team tossed around filthy language about their opponents and voters and media figures and everyone else Trump would issue one incoherent email ending in "Sad!" and the whole thing would be over.
posted by argybarg at 1:25 PM on July 25, 2016 [10 favorites]


It is, in fact, hot as hell in Philadelphia.

Someone oughta open up a window...
posted by Aznable at 1:25 PM on July 25, 2016 [20 favorites]


As a sidenote, in about five minutes, we have already seen more black women on stage in this convention than all last week.

"Only 18 African-Americans served at the GOP gathering, a turnout that reportedly marked a historic low for the last century."
posted by kirkaracha at 1:25 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO GOOD MUSIC!!!!
posted by schroedinger at 1:26 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


As a Detroiter who came of age in the 1990s, this performance is basically a pop culture madeleine.
posted by palindromic at 1:26 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


It wasn't just the DNC servers, hackers were also targeting the personal e-mail accounts, and possibly cellphones of DNC staffers, for no other reason than they were researching Trump's campaign manager.

Wait, wasn't there a thing called Watergate? Today people would just shrug.
posted by bongo_x at 1:26 PM on July 25, 2016 [7 favorites]


And the email about using someone's lack of religion against him? That's something I would expect from the GOP.

Seriously? Where were you when everyone (including both Sanders and Clinton supporters) were making fun of Trump for "Two Corinthians"?
posted by FJT at 1:26 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


They're REALLY trying to remind everyone how good the 1990s really were.

Clinton spends the next few hours inviting people to the stage to play GoldenEye and Mario Kart 64 on a vintage console with her.
posted by Sangermaine at 1:26 PM on July 25, 2016 [30 favorites]


Seriously, there's enough actual terrifying Trump stuff to be frightened of. We don't need to start saying he's a Russian asset.

Craziness like that just delegitimizes the actual horrifying bits.
posted by rokusan at 1:26 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


Glad to see the RNC didn't corner the market on white people dancing awkwardly.
posted by soren_lorensen at 1:26 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


It makes me sad that I'm approvingly linking to David Frum of all people, but I did a literal spit take on this one:

"Once, candidates hired Americans to break into their opponents’ communications. Now those good jobs have been outsourced."
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 1:26 PM on July 25, 2016 [68 favorites]


Heh. Call and response bit when the audience isn't in the mix is a little bit silly.
posted by cortex at 1:27 PM on July 25, 2016


Trump on Elizabeth Warren: "She’s got a fresh mouth. Other than that, she’s got nothing going."

Sort of tangentially related, but watching Scott Brown's slide from "reasonable Republican that Blue State Massachusetts could elect to Congress" to simpering Trump toady has been kind of disgusting. He seems especially bitter towards Warren, who defeated him for the Senate seat barely a year after he was elected. He's been going after her about her Native American claims, among other things ("show the birth certificate" kind of bullshit). It's been pretty filthy, but good riddance I guess.
posted by backseatpilot at 1:27 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


Jiminy jeepers, the contrast to the RNC's Saturday Night Live cover band last week is YUGE.
posted by stolyarova at 1:27 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


There are much better dancers in the crowd at the DNC than there were at the RNC.
posted by jessssse at 1:27 PM on July 25, 2016


"Only 18 African-Americans served at the GOP gathering, a turnout that reportedly marked a historic low for the last century."

I'd imagine plenty more than that served the convention, but as usual they don't get counted...
posted by jammer at 1:27 PM on July 25, 2016 [11 favorites]


I was thinking that two things would help galvanize a lot of people who would probably vote Democrat this year if they had the time and resources to do so:

1. Emphasize the Use of Absentee Ballots: Use billboards and mailings to inform people about their right to use an absentee ballot to vote. So many people cannot make it to polling places for a variety of reasons and have no idea that they are eligible to become a permanent absentee ballot voter (or how to make it happen). If the Dems used their campaign resources to make sure as many people as possible know they can vote from home, this could dramatically increase the number of informed voters this year.

2. Pokemon Go: Vote Edition. Use Pokemon Go to encourage people to come vote and attend gatherings to learn more about the Democratic platform. It could be a huge selling point, and give the Dems a new way to engage younger voters who might otherwise bow out of the process this year.

The first thing in particular is making me so on edge that I am seriously considering the possibility of using the little savings I have left to put up some billboards along the 5 freeway in SoCal to let people know they have more options than they realize. Contacting Hillary's social media teams is also on my list -- imagine the impact they'd have with a boosted post, tweet, and ad connecting all their followers with the resources they need to register for permanent absentee status.

We gotta get agile here if we're gonna dump Trump. But honestly? With all the stuff that Michael Moore's been saying about how Trump stands a better chance than ever to win? I'm gonna be scared as hell until late November when all of this is hopefully over, or beyond terrified if Trump wins and all my friends and family begin to suffer for it.
posted by Hermione Granger at 1:28 PM on July 25, 2016 [7 favorites]


Again, thank you Metafilter for being my awesome election home. I've already given waaaay to much of my mental brain space to all of the conspiracies and noise of the last week, and I need to find my chill. (I also need to get some actual work done, and the nonstop PANIC! PANIC! crap isn't helping.)

So rather than rage at the short-sighted, booing dead-enders, I'm going to try to focus on the awesomely diverse lineup of people scheduled to speak and perform over the next few nights.

This is America, people.
posted by Salieri at 1:28 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


CNN's Tapper called the B2M performance "a rare note of harmony" lol
posted by Noisy Pink Bubbles at 1:28 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


I love how CNN cut off the commentator "Hang on, Boyz II Men are on stage!"
posted by bongo_x at 1:29 PM on July 25, 2016 [20 favorites]


Seriously, there's enough actual terrifying Trump stuff to be frightened of. We don't need to start saying he's a Russian asset.

Craziness like that just delegitimizes the actual horrifying bits.

rokusan

The problem is that it isn't "craziness". There is legitimate reason to suspect something is going on, that's been talked about since the hack, and has warranted an FBI investigation. This isn't "jet fuel can't melt steel beams" shit.
posted by Sangermaine at 1:29 PM on July 25, 2016 [48 favorites]


They're REALLY trying to remind everyone how good the 1990s really were.

If it means she can stumble into another Internet economic boom, I'm all for the 90's.

I'll even let her take credit for it.
posted by rokusan at 1:29 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


Pffff if they can't get the surviving members of NKOTB they've lost my vote.
posted by the uncomplicated soups of my childhood at 1:29 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


this benediction is about the furthest thing from last week's
posted by murphy slaw at 1:29 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


The contrast between this invocation and the one at the RNC could not be more pronounced.
posted by vverse23 at 1:29 PM on July 25, 2016


"Once, candidates hired Americans to break into their opponents’ communications. Now those good jobs have been outsourced."

That's a pretty good line.
posted by tobascodagama at 1:30 PM on July 25, 2016 [8 favorites]


I have a lot of booze left over from my RNC drinking game. (If you see a person of color, drink!)
posted by kirkaracha at 1:30 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Cheers barely outweighing the boos at the mention of Clinton's name. :'(
posted by Talez at 1:30 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Are... are they booing the pastor?
posted by soren_lorensen at 1:30 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


Oh god what is the chanting.
posted by odinsdream at 1:30 PM on July 25, 2016


Mix of cheers and boos at the mention of HRC. The crowd is roaring at itself.
posted by stolyarova at 1:30 PM on July 25, 2016


Clinton spends the next few hours inviting people to the stage to play GoldenEye and Mario Kart 64 on a vintage console with her.

Can't wait to see the secret service guys rush onstage to blow dust off the cartridge.
posted by rokusan at 1:31 PM on July 25, 2016 [11 favorites]


uh is she supposed to call out the nomination already?
posted by numaner at 1:31 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Where were you when everyone (including both Sanders and Clinton supporters) were making fun of Trump for "Two Corinthians"?

Myself, I was laughing right along at Trump's pathetic attempt to pretend he is an Evangelical.

then a bunch of evangelicals jumped on the bandwagon and I choked on my popcorn a little bit
posted by tivalasvegas at 1:31 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


Chants of "Bernie". Wow. They are trying to be so insurgent.
posted by Talez at 1:31 PM on July 25, 2016


It's 1968 all over again!!!

"Prologue, August 29, 1968 / Someday (August 29, 1968)" - Chicago Transit Authority
The Whole World Is Watching!

Where Were You in Chicago? / William Butler Yeats Visits Lincoln Park and Escapes Unscathed -- Phil Ochs
I didn't see you there . . .

"Chicago Policeman" -- Harry Burgess
A sort of "Ballad of the Green Beret" for Chicago's rioting cops.

"Chicago" -- Graham Nash
The line "So your brother's bound and gagged, and they've chained him to a chair . . . " refers to Bobby Seale, one of the Chicago Eight, accused and tried for inciting a riot, etc. following the protests/police riot at the 1968 Democratic National Convention in Chicago. The trial judge notoriously ordered that Seale be gagged and shackled during his trial.

"Illegal Smile" -- John Prine
The song is well know, but the connection has become obscure. The last verse:
I sat down in my closet with all my overalls
Trying to get away from all the ears inside my walls
I dreamed the police heard everything I thought, what then
Well I went to court and the judge's name wa-a-as "Hoffman" . . .
Julius Hoffman was the judge at the trial of the Chicago EightSeven. The trial and especially Hoffman's handling of it were widely seen as unfair and all the defendants eventually were successful in appealing their convictions.
 
posted by Herodios at 1:31 PM on July 25, 2016 [7 favorites]


This is literally shoot the messenger sort of stuff, no one likes a tattletale, so we should disregard the contents?

I don't think that's the general tenor of people talking about the Russian connection. Few if any have said, "Just ignore the e-mails because they were stolen by Russians." Many people just aren't that interested in the e-mails because the "scandals" they've revealed so far are weak tea. But everybody should be interested in Putin trying to butt in on our election, especially given that Trump is doubling down on his insistence that we won't interfere with Russian attacks on its neighbors, even those in NATO.

Seriously, there's enough actual terrifying Trump stuff to be frightened of. We don't need to start saying he's a Russian asset.

He may not be a Russian asset, but Putin's eager embrace of and support for his candidacy should be a matter of concern. Russia is easily the scariest global actor and our foreign policy should help contain them, not encourage them to destabilize their neighbors.
posted by vathek at 1:31 PM on July 25, 2016 [31 favorites]


That lady was all grace and poise.
posted by stolyarova at 1:31 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


oh ffs shut up during the prayer you graceless trolls
posted by murphy slaw at 1:31 PM on July 25, 2016 [12 favorites]


Bernie, bernie Bernie...chanted OVER SOMEONE TRYING TO CLOSE A PRAYER TO GOD!?~?

Fucking, get the fuck out.
posted by odinsdream at 1:31 PM on July 25, 2016 [28 favorites]


BREAKING NEWS: Tangerine Coprolite names Infected Anal Butt Hair as running mate.
posted by y2karl at 1:31 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


Jesus fucking christ they're chanting Bernie during the invocation.
posted by Gaz Errant at 1:31 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


Oh, kirkaracha, you are going to be TOASTED.
posted by cooker girl at 1:31 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


The chanting was "Bernie! Bernie! Bernie!", apparently. I thought the pastor handled it well.
posted by tobascodagama at 1:31 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


The influence of a foreign autocratic party on American politics is a huge fucking story. The influence of a foreign power on an actual major candidate for President is literally the stuff of Hollywood nightmares. THAT has legs.

Um ...
posted by ZenMasterThis at 1:31 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


Oh jeez. The invocation included a note about "nominating Hillary Rodham Clinton" (which is really inappropriate in a prayer, but here we are). Mostly cheers, but then the Bernie! Bernie! crowd won't shut up while she finished the prayer.
posted by zachlipton at 1:31 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


Ok, first mention of Hillary's name from the stage - audience reaction sounded mostly positive, until as it started to subside a "Bernie, Bernie" chant could be heard.

So that's how this week's gonna go? Ugh.
posted by dnash at 1:31 PM on July 25, 2016


they're chanting "Bernie!"
posted by numaner at 1:31 PM on July 25, 2016


Trump isn't a Russian asset, he's a useful idiot.
posted by Artw at 1:31 PM on July 25, 2016 [18 favorites]


Adorable people doing pledge of allegiance. Oh my god.
posted by odinsdream at 1:32 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Oh this little old lady is ADORABLE.
posted by stolyarova at 1:32 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


"Where's the flag?" was absolutely adorable.
posted by zachlipton at 1:33 PM on July 25, 2016


hehehe she's so cute!
posted by numaner at 1:33 PM on July 25, 2016


I think Trump is a Russian asset in a similar way that Ulfric Stormcloak was an asset for the Thalmor. More happy coincidence than anything.
posted by charred husk at 1:33 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


Oh oh I switched to CNN for a bit because MSNBC seemed to be having sound issues and Jake Tapper's anti-Black Lives Matter schtick-- asking whether Democrats were going to look like they were on the "wrong side" of the "law and order debate"-- got me so mad I had to switch back so I wouldn't actually throw something at the television. Ugh.
posted by BlueJae at 1:33 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


I do wish we had somebody reporting from the ground. I'd love to hear first-hand reports on how the whips and security folks are handling the Bernie delegates.
posted by tobascodagama at 1:33 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


Tangerine Coprolite

You leave my new noise band out of this!
posted by Pope Guilty at 1:33 PM on July 25, 2016 [7 favorites]


God's notably a republican anyway so I hardly think it matters.
posted by the uncomplicated soups of my childhood at 1:33 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


I still don't like children being used at conventions, but this kid looks like he's 14+. I'll give him a pass. His voice is beautiful.
posted by stolyarova at 1:33 PM on July 25, 2016


Manny from Modern Family singing the national anthem.
posted by kirkaracha at 1:34 PM on July 25, 2016


The AV work is light-years ahead of the RNC.
posted by odinsdream at 1:34 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Say, does MeFi have a person there this time? Having corb's insights from the room where it happened was great last week.

My dad is there working right now. We haven't talked since this morning when he said he was near Dan Rather and Wyclef Jean. My sister and I demanded a selfie with Wyclef. No further updates.
posted by teponaztli at 1:34 PM on July 25, 2016 [25 favorites]


They're gonna chant over everyone, folks. Including Bernie and Michelle Obama. It's a temper tantrum.
posted by argybarg at 1:34 PM on July 25, 2016 [8 favorites]


It's 1968 all over again!!!

Thankfully it's nowhere near as bad as that. This is just the small, bitter remnants of the Bernie or Bust crowd letting off steam and embarrassing themselves in the process.
posted by Sangermaine at 1:35 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


Okay this adorable and awesome kid singing the national anthem is totally making me feel better after my brief CNN-based freakout, phew.
posted by BlueJae at 1:35 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


that kid just broke my windows with that high note. impressive
posted by dis_integration at 1:35 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


That kid killed it.
posted by soren_lorensen at 1:35 PM on July 25, 2016 [6 favorites]


For what it's worth wikileaks shrugged off the idea of the leaks coming from Russians. I also have a hard time buying this idea because someone already's taken credit (Gruccifer 2.0), so either he's lying, he's a Russian state actor, or someone else was responsible. Add to this, but I'm really not going to give credibility to the Clinton camp on anything tech related. Lest you forget, this is the woman that wants a "Manhattan-like Project to break encryption," and doesn't understand what wiping a hard drive means. Maybe someone smarter has briefed her, but even if true, this sound ridiculous. Blame the Russians!
posted by cjorgensen at 1:35 PM on July 25, 2016 [15 favorites]


damn, laddie annihilated that high note in the anthem, i am humbled
posted by murphy slaw at 1:35 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


No, Trump is Baigan and Russia is the Lunarians
posted by prize bull octorok at 1:35 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


And the camera was there to make sure we see the national anthem kid get a hug from his presumed mom. That's how you produce a convention people.
posted by zachlipton at 1:35 PM on July 25, 2016 [8 favorites]


Oh oh I switched to CNN for a bit because MSNBC

I did last week. MSNBC has been terrible. Sad.
posted by bongo_x at 1:36 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Yeah kind of lame to boo and chant during a prayer but is it normal for the prayer to morph into a quasi-speech in the middle?
posted by beau jackson at 1:36 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


Are... are they booing the pastor?

If this is the "dissent" talked about towards the end of the last thread, it's a fucking awful way of showing it.
posted by zombieflanders at 1:36 PM on July 25, 2016


Seriously, and hearing everyone sing along with him, oh man. Instant tears.
posted by Hermione Granger at 1:36 PM on July 25, 2016


I can't help but wonder if the people who are all fed up about the emails are just looking for reasons to be angry, and/or have never used email for professional purposes. Email isn't action, it's communication, and given that a lot of the context is removed it's not even complete communication.

At my work, for instance, someone proposed something that was a really bad idea in an email. And it was shot down, but in a later meeting. There's no email evidence that we didn't do the thing. Why would there be? We're not tailoring our communication in such a way that someone who steals it gets the whole picture.
posted by quillbreaker at 1:37 PM on July 25, 2016 [37 favorites]


Yeah kind of lame to boo and chant during a prayer but is it normal for the prayer to morph into a quasi-speech in the middle?


RNC moved the overton window on that one significantly when they asked god to defeat clinton
posted by murphy slaw at 1:37 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


Sangermaine, perhaps don't use "has warranted an FBI investigation" as your criteria for wrongdoing.

I maintain that "Trump is a Secret Russian Spy", which is all over FaceBook, is a huge distraction from his many (let's be generous and call them) shortcomings as a potential leader.

Even if it's somehow true*, making this argument sucks the air out of everything else, and will only convince millions that Democrats are flat-out making shit up now, delegitimizing everything else awful about Trump and what he represents.

* and get serious, it's not. But even if.
posted by rokusan at 1:37 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


For what it's worth wikileaks shrugged off the idea of the leaks coming from Russians.

Given the credibility hits they've taken of late I wouldn't take that at face value.
posted by Artw at 1:37 PM on July 25, 2016 [12 favorites]


Thanks everyone for being generally excellent in these megathreads. You are a wonderful community.

please allow me to introduce myself...
posted by quonsar II: smock fishpants and the temple of foon at 1:37 PM on July 25, 2016 [14 favorites]


She was given a different job, so she went from unofficially working for Hillary to officially working for her. A Clinton always pays her debts.

For the last time, she's an HONORARY chairperson, which gives her as much power on the Hillary campaign as you or me. That and $3 gets you a latte.

DWS is essentially getting exiled to Florida for the rest of this campaign, and she'll probably be primaried out later this summer. This isn't a promotion. This is getting a year's supply of Rice-A-Roni and other lovely parting gifts while they're quietly pushing her and her cardboard box out the back door.
posted by dw at 1:37 PM on July 25, 2016 [27 favorites]


Yeah kind of lame to boo and chant during a prayer but is it normal for the prayer to morph into a quasi-speech in the middle?

My sense of what is normal for a prayer during a convention is radically warped after CAPS-LOCK MAN PASTOR MARK BURNS last week.
posted by zachlipton at 1:37 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


Is anyone is looking for evidence or information about the origin of the DNC intrusion, here's the Crowdstrike Analysis

For now I'd say let the ITsec analysts give you the details and and theories at this point, no one is just willy nilly making shit up in that field and then publishing it. It's like, the essence of "cite please" culture.
posted by Annika Cicada at 1:38 PM on July 25, 2016 [17 favorites]


FDR's grandson
posted by maggieb at 1:38 PM on July 25, 2016


Really? Because I remember her as a Hail Mary pass from an already embattled candidate. Maybe for one shining moment it looked like the RNC picked a VP from an underserved demographic they needed and this could mean something, but then she talked.

The RNC was in September that year, and I remember early on the consensus being she (Palin) was great. As the month wore on, she bombed spectacularly. That's how I remember it. I'll look and see if i'm deluded.
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 1:39 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


Even if it's somehow true*

rokusan, I really don't get why you think it's completely impossible that Putin both wants to and has the power to influence our election.
posted by Gaz Errant at 1:39 PM on July 25, 2016 [8 favorites]


This Vice article goes into the evidence that Russian Intelligence is Guccifer 2.0. It's pretty damning and you really shouldn't dismiss the idea without actually, you know, reading about the forensic evidence.

If you're just assuming that the ties to Russia are the DNC flailing, well, read things for fuck's sake.
posted by Pope Guilty at 1:39 PM on July 25, 2016 [43 favorites]




just looking for reasons to be angry, and/or have never used email for professional purposes

uh, both. Painfully, obviously, blindingly, both.
posted by tivalasvegas at 1:40 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


I trust the (non-partisan) security experts who identify Guccifer 2.0 as probably Russian, but there's also this interview with someone (claiming to be) Guccifer 2.0, who claims to be Romanian but apparently doesn't speak Romanian.

I can't help but wonder if the people who are all fed up about the emails are just looking for reasons to be angry, and/or have never used email for professional purposes.

This is so obviously the case that it hardly needs stating.

Anyway, back on the convention, I liked the line about making sure the convention looks like America.
posted by tobascodagama at 1:40 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


The Mayor forgot the gavel again!

But I think that was just an audible sigh of relief that there were only a handful of nays for the credentials committee vote.
posted by zachlipton at 1:41 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


> This isn't a promotion. This is getting a year's supply of Rice-A-Roni and other lovely parting gifts while they're quietly pushing her and her cardboard box out the back door.

Did I call it a promotion? That won't come until after the election.

I'm saying it looks horrible.
posted by cjorgensen at 1:41 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


Nice of her to give that long pause for the nay voters to speak up.
posted by tobascodagama at 1:41 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


The sigh from the chair on that Credentials Committee voice vote going right was very noticeable.
posted by dw at 1:41 PM on July 25, 2016


Oh also, this also happened this morning, but we all agreed we were sort of more excited about Wyclef than Dan Rather, and I said "more like Dan Rather Not, amirite?" No further updates.
posted by teponaztli at 1:41 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Bernie Frank is a class act.
posted by odinsdream at 1:41 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]



For what it's worth wikileaks shrugged off the idea of the leaks coming from Russians.


No, they are shrugging of an accusation that I haven't seen thusfar - that Wikileaks themselves are Russian agents (or responsible for the hack). No one thinks that (nor has accused) Wikileaks is responsible for the hacks themselves - that's not what they do; they release material that other parties have given them.

Add to this, but I'm really not going to give credibility to the Clinton camp on anything tech related.

The hacked emails came from the DNC, not the Clinton campaign. The DNC has competent people working for them (but again, good luck protecting against a well funded well skilled adversary that is fixated on their target).

I'm not comfortable with Clinton's stated tech policy at the moment either, I support her despite a number of misgivings on a number of her policies. Thankfully she's shown that she's willing to embrace new policies and discard problematic ones (see gay rights).
posted by el io at 1:41 PM on July 25, 2016 [9 favorites]


Are they booing Barney Frank?

Jesus Christ.
posted by Talez at 1:42 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


Barney Frank: "Thank you or not, as the case may be."
posted by palindromic at 1:42 PM on July 25, 2016 [49 favorites]


"Thank you or not, as the case may be", say Barney Frank, who does not give a fuck about that noise.
posted by cortex at 1:42 PM on July 25, 2016 [70 favorites]


The RN"C was in September that year, and I remember early on the consensus being she (Palin) was great. As the month wore on, she bombed spectacularly. That's how I remember it. I'll look and see if i'm deluded

I was working amidst a bunch of Republicans when Palin was announced as the pick. She got a standing ovation in the middle of the brokerage floor.

I don't think that reaction was entirely political, because of all the actually hoots (not kidding), but it was definitely jubilant.
posted by schadenfrau at 1:42 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


Add to this, but I'm really not going to give credibility to the Clinton camp on anything tech related.

Always love to see the contortions and twisting done to turn this into a way blame Hillary Clinton again, but the FBI is investigating this and suspects Russian sources as well.
posted by FJT at 1:42 PM on July 25, 2016 [11 favorites]


while they're quietly pushing her and her cardboard box out the back door

This is 100% how I read it, too. Announcing the honorary chair position in the statement was not a great move but it sounds to me like "honorary chair" is just allowing DWS to save face a bit while being directed away from any real power.
posted by everybody had matching towels at 1:42 PM on July 25, 2016 [7 favorites]


The RN"C was in September that year, and I remember early on the consensus being she (Palin) was great. As the month wore on, she bombed spectacularly. That's how I remember it. I'll look and see if i'm deluded.

That's my recollection as well. Lots of "this is a game-changer" hot takes and then lots of "oh, it's THAT kind of game-changer" after a few days once it became clear that she was totally out of her depth.

I seem to remember a certain Saturday Night Live skit, as well.
posted by tivalasvegas at 1:42 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Why in the NAME OF GOD would anyone boo Barney Frank
posted by argybarg at 1:42 PM on July 25, 2016 [12 favorites]


man i miss barney frank's jowly voice talking mad shit on tv news
posted by murphy slaw at 1:42 PM on July 25, 2016 [13 favorites]


Did Barney Frank just say "thank you or not as the case may be?" That's great.
posted by zachlipton at 1:43 PM on July 25, 2016 [7 favorites]


"Bernie Sanders sends text to delegates: 'I ask you as a personal courtesy to me to not engage in any kind of protest on the floor.'"

They're not going to be courteous, dude. They just booed a pastor. If the kid that sang had mentioned Clinton, he'd have been booed, too.
posted by zombieflanders at 1:43 PM on July 25, 2016 [6 favorites]


Oh wow kinda just... steamrolling that weird voice vote there....
posted by odinsdream at 1:44 PM on July 25, 2016


How self-involved and privileged would you have to be to not recognize the incredible debt all justice-minded people owe that man?!
posted by argybarg at 1:44 PM on July 25, 2016 [6 favorites]


Jesus, what's with all of the "no's" about the rules committee chairs??
posted by Salieri at 1:44 PM on July 25, 2016


Why in the NAME OF GOD would anyone boo Barney Frank

Because he's gay
posted by Melismata at 1:44 PM on July 25, 2016


Why in the NAME OF GOD would anyone boo Barney Frank

Because he is not impressed by Bernie Sanders.
posted by palindromic at 1:44 PM on July 25, 2016 [9 favorites]


Barney Frank has been out of fucks to give for a while and has made literally no effort to hide his contempt for Bernie Sanders. I'd have been super surprised if they hadn't booed him.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 1:44 PM on July 25, 2016 [6 favorites]


Why in the NAME OF GOD would anyone boo Barney Frank

He had the nerve to tell Sanders supporters to be pragmatic right at the beginning of the campaign.
posted by Talez at 1:45 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


"Thank you or not, as the case may be", say Barney Frank, who does not give a fuck about that noise.

Frank's all like "Really? Is that all you got? I know Dick Armey. You, folks, are no Dick Armey."
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 1:45 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


Oh also, this also happened this morning, but we all agreed we were sort of more excited about Wyclef than Dan Rather, and I said "more like Dan Rather Not, amirite?" No further updates.

I thought my dad was the only one who made that joke . . .
posted by chainsofreedom at 1:45 PM on July 25, 2016


Damn, my DNC feed from C-Span keeps freezing. Annoying as hell.
posted by Hermione Granger at 1:45 PM on July 25, 2016


Jesus, what's with all of the "no's" about the rules committee chairs??

I believe that the Hillary haters are determined to reenact the Nevada caucus.
posted by Pope Guilty at 1:45 PM on July 25, 2016


Always love to see the contortions and twisting done to turn this into a way blame Hillary Clinton again, but the FBI is investigating this and suspects Russian sources as well.

Who is blaming Clinton? I am saying that her camp coming out and saying Russians! looks like a deflection from the contents of the messages themselves. Let someone else make that accusation. Someone that has a bit more credibility when it comes to technology.
posted by cjorgensen at 1:45 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


Holy god the boos. Fucking shut the fuck up.
posted by odinsdream at 1:46 PM on July 25, 2016


People still booing Hillary Clinton and Tim Kaine.
posted by Talez at 1:46 PM on July 25, 2016


I can no longer distinguish between the ayes and the boos
posted by Hermione Granger at 1:46 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


I maintain that "Trump is a Secret Russian Spy", which is all over FaceBook
rokusan

I don't know what you've read on Facebook, but no one here has suggested that and I think you may, purposefully or not, be characterizing what has been said in absurd terms to downplay discussion.

What has been said is that there is reason to believe the email leak was done by Russia as a means of influencing the election towards what Russia sees as a more favorable candidate. Trump isn't a spy, but he's clearly the candidate more friendly to Russia.
posted by Sangermaine at 1:46 PM on July 25, 2016 [15 favorites]


Ugh, this is going to be the entire week. Every single mention of HRC is going to devolve into her supporters trying to cheer loud enough to drown out the boos and chants.
posted by Gaz Errant at 1:46 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


while they're quietly pushing her and her cardboard box out the back door

Worth noting that neither Clinton nor Obama have particularly warm and fuzzy feelings for DWS, especially after her attempt to quietly jump on the winning horse during the closing weeks of the '08 primary. The surprising bit to me, really, is that it took Clinton this long to cut her loose, given that both her competency and loyalty were compromised.
posted by fifthrider at 1:46 PM on July 25, 2016


I'm having good luck with the livestream from the Democratic Convention site.
posted by palindromic at 1:47 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Jesus, what's with all of the "no's" about the rules committee chairs??

Like, do they have a legitimate grievance, or are they just being shitty?

(Don't answer.)

Jesus, what's with all of the "no's" about the rules committee chairs??

Twitch's stream is pretty good. Just remember to hide the chat.
posted by tobascodagama at 1:47 PM on July 25, 2016


CNN reporting DNC offers "deep and sincere" apology to Sanders

(as chants of "Bernie" are heard in the background...)
posted by Noisy Pink Bubbles at 1:47 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Why in the NAME OF GOD would anyone boo Barney Frank

Frank is charming but he's worked pretty hard to stop reform of the banking industry and he's been pretty undiplomatic in his attitude toward Sanders supporters.
posted by dis_integration at 1:47 PM on July 25, 2016 [11 favorites]


> Holy god the boos. Fucking shut the fuck up.

I am not hearing them on my feed.
posted by cjorgensen at 1:47 PM on July 25, 2016


Marcia Fudge has a 10,000-watt smile.
posted by stolyarova at 1:47 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


Welp, NONE of these people will still have their voices by the time prime time rolls around.
posted by acidic at 1:47 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


Sanders himself is getting booed by his supporters.
posted by sandettie light vessel automatic at 1:47 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


Jesus jumped-up Christ on a sidecar, they won't even listen to the guy they say they support.
posted by Mooski at 1:47 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


The DNC YouTube livefeed is working seamlessly for me.
posted by el io at 1:47 PM on July 25, 2016


Like, do they have a legitimate grievance, or are they just being shitty?

Obstructive twits.
posted by Talez at 1:47 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


How many women spoke for Trump that weren't related to him or employed by him?
posted by kirkaracha at 1:47 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


Who is blaming Clinton? I am saying that her camp coming out and saying Russians! looks like a deflection from the contents of the messages themselves. Let someone else make that accusation. Someone that has a bit more credibility when it comes to technology.

How about the three forensic security teams who've had access to the DNC servers? Do they count?
posted by Pope Guilty at 1:48 PM on July 25, 2016 [25 favorites]


Because he's gay

Frank has gotten an enormous amount of gross shit over the years for being an openly gay man in Congress, but the floor of the DNC in 2016 thankfully isn't really a place where that, at least, is likely to be the driver for booing. This is as folks have noted pure primary friction being played out, same as the rest of the booing and such.
posted by cortex at 1:48 PM on July 25, 2016 [11 favorites]


Okay, I'm gonna go back to drinking through this election now.
posted by odinsdream at 1:48 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Never underestimate the left's ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
posted by Talez at 1:48 PM on July 25, 2016 [20 favorites]


Sandettie, that article is so disheartening
posted by Hermione Granger at 1:48 PM on July 25, 2016


I'm walking over to the protests now to check them out.
posted by lazaruslong at 1:48 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


They are booing someone who is criticizing income inequality. They are not listening
posted by Tarumba at 1:49 PM on July 25, 2016 [21 favorites]


Yeah, I'm watching the Twitch stream because I was really hoping for something uplifting, but this is just fucking depressing. These assholes won't even let the chair speak.
posted by Salieri at 1:49 PM on July 25, 2016


Now we're booing Marcia Fudge while she talks about respecting "every race, religion, and sexual orientation." I'm throwing things here.
posted by zachlipton at 1:49 PM on July 25, 2016 [19 favorites]


Trump is watching this with a huge shit eating grin on his face.
posted by Talez at 1:49 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


Christ, I wanted to believe I was being too pessimistic. This is, in fact, going to be a nightmare.
posted by argybarg at 1:49 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


Nope, I can't take this. Shutting it off. I might come back in here to see what's happening, but I can't watch this implosion happening live.
posted by Gaz Errant at 1:49 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


If they were republicans, half would be chanting USA - USA!
posted by peeedro at 1:49 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


How many women spoke for Trump that weren't related to him or employed by him?

I think Ann Coulter may be a supporter.
posted by el io at 1:49 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


This disrespectful booing of the current speaker is fucking awful. UGH.
posted by dnash at 1:49 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


YOU FUCKS, BERNIE AINT GONNA BE PRESIDENT. FUCKING GET OVER IT.
posted by odinsdream at 1:50 PM on July 25, 2016 [19 favorites]


Watching a bunch of White people boo and shout down Black speakers.
posted by bongo_x at 1:50 PM on July 25, 2016 [14 favorites]


Oh my god we are better than this, do not turn the DNC into the same horror show that was the RNC
posted by Hermione Granger at 1:50 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


The booing is yet another example of how Bernie Sanders completely fucked up his campaign.
posted by Annika Cicada at 1:50 PM on July 25, 2016 [70 favorites]


Given the narrative of why Sanders lost the primary, it's not a great look for the Sanders fans to try to shout over and boo speakers of color.
posted by palindromic at 1:50 PM on July 25, 2016 [38 favorites]


They are booing someone who is criticizing income inequality. They are not listening

They're not booing fixing income inequality. They're booing the idea that Clinton is making it part of her standard.
posted by Talez at 1:50 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Sanders owns this. He owns the mob he created. This will be his legacy.
posted by schadenfrau at 1:50 PM on July 25, 2016 [34 favorites]


sheesh enough with the boos, we know you're cranky.
posted by Theta States at 1:50 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


Marcia Fudge looks like she's going to go down there and crack some skulls.
posted by soren_lorensen at 1:50 PM on July 25, 2016 [7 favorites]


> How about the three forensic security teams who've had access to the DNC servers? Do they count?

Yes they do, so let them make the case. It's a no win for the Clinton camp.
posted by cjorgensen at 1:50 PM on July 25, 2016


I just hope none of the speakers let the boos rattle them. As long as they can keep up a calm, composed appearance on stage, this shit will get tamped down.
posted by penduluum at 1:51 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


Bring it, demand respect. Fuck yes.
posted by odinsdream at 1:51 PM on July 25, 2016 [9 favorites]


Goddamn Ms. Fudge you DEMAND the respect you're owed.

Good for her.
posted by Salieri at 1:51 PM on July 25, 2016 [18 favorites]


Frank has gotten an enormous amount of gross shit over the years for being an openly gay man in Congress, but the floor of the DNC in 2016 thankfully isn't really a place where that, at least, is likely to be the driver for booing.

Well, yes, but:

Now we're booing Marcia Fudge while she talks about respecting "every race, religion, and sexual orientation." I'm throwing things here.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
posted by tobascodagama at 1:51 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


"I respect you, and I want you to respect me!"
"We're all Democrats and we need to act like it! Lets do it!"

You tell 'em Marcia!
posted by snuffleupagus at 1:51 PM on July 25, 2016 [15 favorites]


I like Marcia Fudge. She wants no part of this shit.
posted by dw at 1:51 PM on July 25, 2016 [14 favorites]


PREACH MARCIA FUDGE
posted by penduluum at 1:51 PM on July 25, 2016 [10 favorites]


"We are all Democrats, and we need to act like it! Let's do it!"

Oh hell yes!!!!!!!
posted by Hermione Granger at 1:51 PM on July 25, 2016 [11 favorites]


"I am going to be respectful of you, and I want you to be respectful of me. We are all Democrats and we need to act like it. Let's do it!" Marcia Fudge is handling this like a champ.
posted by everybody had matching towels at 1:51 PM on July 25, 2016 [18 favorites]


I want Marcia Fudge to be my representative. She has that "I am not putting up with your foolishness" look on her face while she's speaking. Then demands respect because she's giving you respect. I love her and I've never heard of her until about 5 minutes ago.
posted by hollygoheavy at 1:51 PM on July 25, 2016 [26 favorites]


Don't mess with Marcia Fudge.
posted by vverse23 at 1:51 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


The thing is, there was more opposition within the republican party towards Trump, even among the delegates themselves. But the Republicans have more party discipline and work tactically to defeat their enemy.
posted by el io at 1:52 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


I mean they're being insufferable, but we knew they'd do that. The real trick is if they feel like they've been heard or if they keep being annoying throughout the night. No one expected that the Bernie people wouldn't be a little annoying.
posted by DynamiteToast at 1:52 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


I can't watch right now. How much booing is going on? Whole contingents or random people?
posted by futz at 1:52 PM on July 25, 2016


sheesh enough with the boos, we know you're cranky.

Naps for everyone! Except Trump.
posted by Existential Dread at 1:52 PM on July 25, 2016 [6 favorites]


Yes they do, so let them make the case. It's a no win for the Clinton camp.

Only if you're already inclined to dismiss anything they say as a lie.
posted by Pope Guilty at 1:52 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


what the fuck are they chanting now
posted by murphy slaw at 1:52 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Again, I live among these people. They're probably 1% of the Democratic voters, but absolutely nothing will stop them from shitting over this entire process for their own purposes.
posted by argybarg at 1:52 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


What is being chanted right now?
posted by Hermione Granger at 1:52 PM on July 25, 2016


My rep Sheila gettin in there of course.
posted by DynamiteToast at 1:53 PM on July 25, 2016


What were they chanting?
posted by Tarumba at 1:53 PM on July 25, 2016


what the fuck are they chanting now

Sounds like "we're dumb fools!"

I'm just going to go with that.
posted by snuffleupagus at 1:53 PM on July 25, 2016 [11 favorites]


I am heartened by the way the cheerers are attempting to mitigate the booers.
posted by palindromic at 1:53 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


I take back the comment about not hearing the boos.
posted by cjorgensen at 1:54 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Booing pastors asking for social justice, LGBT people for talking about their lives, and PoC speaking to them about policies they agree with.

This is indefensible. How long until they start chanting "LOCK HER UP"?
posted by zombieflanders at 1:54 PM on July 25, 2016 [39 favorites]


Oh god I'm so embarrassed and disheartened by these Bernie supporters willing to burn everything down because their guy lost.
posted by Theta States at 1:54 PM on July 25, 2016 [9 favorites]


Sanders himself is getting booed by his supporters.

"And heeeere come the pretzels!"

"And Senator Bernie Sanders now on the field pleading with the crowd for some kind of sanity."
posted by FJT at 1:54 PM on July 25, 2016 [12 favorites]


I am seriously embarrassed to be a Californian right now.
posted by acidic at 1:54 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


For those not watching, generally when Clinton/Kaine get mentioned, there is an immediate uproar. The cheers outweigh the boos, though you can tell some people are booing, and then when the cheers die out the boos continue for about half as long as the cheering went. So it sounds like there are more non-bernie people, but the bernie people are determined to be loud.
posted by DynamiteToast at 1:54 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


I can't watch right now. How much booing is going on? Whole contingents or random people?

The stream I'm watching isn't showing the crowd, but it sounds like a single group of people. The cheers are easily drowning them out, but the booing and chants are generally not coming on cheer lines, so they're audible on the stream anyway.
posted by tobascodagama at 1:54 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


As long as they can keep up a calm, composed appearance on stage, this shit will get tamped down.
Who is going to tamp them down, though? Bernie sent them all a text begging them to be respectful of the speakers, and they don't care. Bernie is clearly a weak and ineffective leader, and his supporters are a mob. This is bad for the Democrats, but it's a disaster for the left. Why would anyone try to work with folks like this?
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 1:54 PM on July 25, 2016 [36 favorites]


Barnie Frank doesn't have time for teleprompters either.
posted by zachlipton at 1:55 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


oh god, it was "lock her up"
posted by murphy slaw at 1:55 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


I am of the opinion that any attempts to refight the primaries is profoundly unhelpful and at this point basically an attempt to throw things for Trump.

Sanders owns this. He owns the mob he created. This will be his legacy

I would include crap like this, TBH.
posted by Artw at 1:56 PM on July 25, 2016 [19 favorites]


Will never understand the point of voice votes.
posted by palindromic at 1:56 PM on July 25, 2016 [14 favorites]


I also have a hard time buying this idea because someone already's taken credit (Gruccifer 2.0), so either he's lying, he's a Russian state actor, or someone else was responsible.

You mean the Twitter account that appeared literally 24 hours after the CrowdStrike analysis came out, who claims to be Romanian but can't speak the language well?
posted by NoxAeternum at 1:56 PM on July 25, 2016 [12 favorites]


I think a fair portion of the "left" secretly, maybe unconsciously, wants Trump to win so they can prove how right they were about Americans being stupid and terrible
posted by theodolite at 1:56 PM on July 25, 2016 [7 favorites]


Why would anyone try to work with folks like this?

Because they're voting Americans?
posted by the uncomplicated soups of my childhood at 1:56 PM on July 25, 2016 [8 favorites]


That chant is repulsive
posted by Hermione Granger at 1:56 PM on July 25, 2016 [7 favorites]


What the fuck is going to happen when Hillary speaks??!
posted by Tarumba at 1:56 PM on July 25, 2016


Every woman on the stage looks like she is about to knock some heads together. Though a pacifist, I gotta say I support them in this.
posted by kalimac at 1:56 PM on July 25, 2016 [6 favorites]


My forlorn hope is that this show of booing will expose this fringe of Democrats as being the irresponsible gadflies they are and consolidate the base.
posted by peacheater at 1:57 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


The behavior of the Sander's supporters is just baffling. How can they not see that they are coming off as completely unreasonable asshats?
posted by JakeEXTREME at 1:57 PM on July 25, 2016 [14 favorites]


Oh come on, booing the adoption of the Rules Committee?? That's just being an asshole to be an asshole. Why are you even there.
posted by dnash at 1:57 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


I'm hoping these folks will be all booed out by Thursday, and that there will only be some residual traces of the chants when she starts speaking.
posted by palindromic at 1:57 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


Will never understand the point of voice votes.

They're procedural rubber stamping votes. They're not supposed to be serious votes. It's sort of like unanimous consent. They don't actually vote on every single motion, they assume that everyone wants to go home at the end of the day and the guy who doesn't is just being a cockweasel.
posted by Talez at 1:58 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


Go Leticia, talking about her grandmother becoming a citizen! I hate that these speakers feel like they have to shout over these jerks.
posted by Salieri at 1:58 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


oh god, it was "lock her up"

Please be joking
Please be joking
Please be joking
posted by Gaz Errant at 1:58 PM on July 25, 2016 [10 favorites]


Can someone explain Sanders supporters booing Sanders himself? I didn't think he had been on stage yet.
posted by noneuclidean at 1:58 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


How long until they start chanting "LOCK HER UP"?

Looks like the answer was "as I was typing those words": Bernie delegates from CA chant "Lock her up"

This is disgusting.
posted by zombieflanders at 1:58 PM on July 25, 2016 [21 favorites]


Hopefully by the time HRC takes the stage, they've managed these intellectual balls of fire back into their playpens.
posted by Mooski at 1:58 PM on July 25, 2016


Jesus fucking christ they're chanting Bernie during the invocation. . . Why in the NAME OF GOD would anyone boo Barney Frank . . . they just booed a pastor. If the kid that sang had mentioned Clinton, he'd have been booed, too. . . . are they booing the pastor? . . . Sanders himself is getting booed by his supporters. . . .Like, do they have a legitimate grievance, or are they just being shitty? . . . They are booing someone who is criticizing income inequality. They are not listening . . . Now we're booing Marcia Fudge while she talks about respecting "every race, religion, and sexual orientation." . . . This disrespectful booing of the current speaker is fucking awful. UGH. . . .

At some point -- at some point -- this stops being what they think it is and becomes something else. It's not going to do what they want it to do, and it's not going to get them what they think they want. They are a minority and they aren't winning any converts. They are going to tire and the rest of the convention is going to move on without them.

They want to be the thunderstorm at the picnic; it's going to turn out that they are merely the ants.
 
posted by Herodios at 1:58 PM on July 25, 2016 [19 favorites]


Is there anywhere I can sign up to conspire against the chanting Bernie Bros?
posted by vathek at 1:58 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


Wait, what is the California delegation doing?
posted by persona au gratin at 1:58 PM on July 25, 2016


What the fuck is going to happen when Hillary speaks??!

I hear she's backstage getting lasers fixed to her eyeballs and Marcia Fudge is about to go back there and give her pointers on how to give the crowd a good staredown.
posted by phunniemee at 1:58 PM on July 25, 2016 [6 favorites]


The radical left is cooked.

Occupy this, assholes.
posted by Annika Cicada at 1:58 PM on July 25, 2016 [19 favorites]


I think a fair portion of the "left" secretly, maybe unconsciously, wants Trump to win so they can prove how right they were about Americans being stupid and terrible

That's not a joke. A huge part of the Left doesn't want to win, they want to be the tragic underdog.
posted by bongo_x at 1:58 PM on July 25, 2016 [56 favorites]


Because they're voting Americans?
So are the Tea Party, but trying to compromise with them is a lost cause. You can't work with them. You can only defeat them.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 1:59 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


I'm listening to the YouTube feed and not hearing any chanting at all.
posted by octothorpe at 1:59 PM on July 25, 2016


Hmm rules committee proposal sounds interesting...
posted by chapps at 1:59 PM on July 25, 2016


Ugg. Shame on them.
posted by persona au gratin at 1:59 PM on July 25, 2016


I admire every person up on stage dealing with the boos right now. They are so fucking strong to withstand all this right now

"Grassroots always has a seat at the table"

Make it so!
posted by Hermione Granger at 1:59 PM on July 25, 2016 [7 favorites]


If they were chanting against Padilla, it was "count the votes."
posted by dw at 1:59 PM on July 25, 2016


The thing is, they don't even want anything. They're not asking for anything coherent. There's no bargaining.

They just want to shit on everything.
posted by schadenfrau at 1:59 PM on July 25, 2016 [29 favorites]


Can someone explain Sanders supporters booing Sanders himself? I didn't think he had been on stage yet.

There were various delegate meetings and events earlier in the day, not part of the main public scheduled convention event we're watching now.
posted by cortex at 1:59 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


What the fuck do the boo-ers want? What demands do they have? Do they have some representative they can speak through? Is it Bernie? If it's Bernie, he's pretty much made it clear what he wants and it doesn't sound to me like it's supposed to be this. If it's not Bernie, then who is it? If there's no representative, do they expect the DNC to negotiate with them as an unstructured, amorphous mass of chants and heckles? What is going on with these people?
posted by mhum at 1:59 PM on July 25, 2016 [9 favorites]


The radical left is cooking itself with the intent of taking down the Democratic Party with it.
posted by argybarg at 2:00 PM on July 25, 2016 [7 favorites]


"As you may have heard, there already seem to be many more protests from the left around the Democratic convention than there were around the Republican convention. If it seems strange to you that leftists would be protesting not the candidate who wants to deport 11 million people, ban Muslims from entering the country and roll back civil rights gains for gay Americans, but the candidate who wants to increase the minimum wage to $15 an hour, expand Social Security and enact universal child care, well, that would only mean that you’re unfamiliar with leftist politics."
Despite what you’ve heard, Democrats aren’t in disarray. Their party is under attack from the outside.
I lol'd.
posted by octobersurprise at 2:00 PM on July 25, 2016 [15 favorites]


I think a fair portion of the "left" secretly, maybe unconsciously, wants Trump to win so they can prove how right they were about Americans being stupid and terrible

For those of us who live next door, can you please run this experiment in another time/space continuum?

Hugs and kisses,

Canada
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 2:01 PM on July 25, 2016 [24 favorites]


What the fuck do the boo-ers want? What demands do they have? Do they have some representative they can speak through? Is it Bernie? If it's Bernie, he's pretty much made it clear what he wants and it doesn't sound to me like it's supposed to be this. If it's not Bernie, then who is it? If there's no representative, do they expect the DNC to negotiate with them as an unstructured, amorphous mass of chants and heckles? What is going on with these people?

The key phrase is "Bern it Down". You do the math.
posted by Talez at 2:01 PM on July 25, 2016 [6 favorites]


Artw: I would include crap like this, TBH.

He encouraged his followers in the delusion that his losses were caused by cheating and not by the majority of primary voters going for someone else. When his supporters behaved abominably in the Nevada convention, he didn't shut them down but whined about both sides do it. He owns this.

I was willing to give him a certain amount of cooling down time -- it always hurts to lose -- but here's the difference between him and Hillary Clinton: she got over her bitter moments and enthusiastically and fully supported Obama, down to nominating him from the floor. It's the difference between a mature adult and a sullen child.
posted by tavella at 2:01 PM on July 25, 2016 [53 favorites]


What exactly is the point of the YouTube chat stream? It flies by at about 50 comments a second, who could ever follow that?
posted by octothorpe at 2:01 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


They're narcissistic, entitled assholes. That's Occam's Razor on this one.
posted by argybarg at 2:01 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


The behavior of the Sander's supporters is just baffling. How can they not see that they are coming off as completely unreasonable asshats?

"Welcome to the 2016 election" -- a whole lot of Hillary supporters
posted by (Arsenio) Hall and (Warren) Oates at 2:01 PM on July 25, 2016 [29 favorites]


This is what accelerationism looks like.
posted by Annika Cicada at 2:01 PM on July 25, 2016 [19 favorites]


Huh, not booing Webb so much for describing himself as a longtime supporter of Hillary Clinton. I don't want to say it's cuz he's a dude, but...
posted by palindromic at 2:02 PM on July 25, 2016 [9 favorites]


The die hard Sanders supporters are gonna throw the country to the wolves and feel triumphant for it?

God help us, we are such a fractured people
posted by Hermione Granger at 2:02 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


What exactly is the point of the YouTube chat stream? It flies by at about 50 comments a second, who could ever follow that?

Sometimes you just really, really want to drink out of a firehose.
posted by cortex at 2:02 PM on July 25, 2016 [20 favorites]


This is literally why we can't have nice things.
posted by bongo_x at 2:02 PM on July 25, 2016 [6 favorites]


What exactly is the point of the YouTube chat stream? It flies by at about 50 comments a second, who could ever follow that?

Memes.
posted by Talez at 2:02 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


At city hall. So far not a lot to see. A metric fuckton of cops. Handful of "never Hilary" people, all women oddly enough. A lot of voter registration people. One pretty crazy looking shaman dude with a stop binary thinking setup in the style of timecube.
posted by lazaruslong at 2:03 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


Boos seem to have calmed down in general since Padilla spoke.
posted by chainsofreedom at 2:03 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


Parade of people marching about Puerto Rico. Chanting Puerto Rico is not for sale.
posted by lazaruslong at 2:04 PM on July 25, 2016


Oh, Wellington Webb. You are missed.
posted by dw at 2:04 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


@JenGriffinFNC - Breaking: Dem source: in last hour, Sanders camp urgently reached out to Clinton camp, worried their delegates plan to disrupt tonight.
posted by DynamiteToast at 2:04 PM on July 25, 2016 [6 favorites]


They both deserve our cheers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
posted by Hermione Granger at 2:04 PM on July 25, 2016 [6 favorites]


Oh man I'd totally vote Timecube 2016
posted by the uncomplicated soups of my childhood at 2:04 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Fuck yeah Wellington Webb. "They both deserve our cheers."
posted by tonycpsu at 2:05 PM on July 25, 2016 [8 favorites]


I masochistically just peeked into the Sanders for president subreddit. Apparently, what they want is for 'unelectable' Hillary to step down and let Bernie take the lead.

For realsies, that's what they're posting about.

They're praying for wikileaks to 'drop a bomb' today and urging anyone in the area to show up and protest.

As someone who supported Sanders early on, it's embarrassing. I hope Bernie comes out and tells people to put on their damned big kid pants and stop whining.
posted by lovecrafty at 2:05 PM on July 25, 2016 [39 favorites]


Someone on Facebook is really pissed off about the voter registration people at City Hall, lazaruslong. Apparently it's some kind of Hillary conspiracy? To get people to vote, I guess? I don't get it.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 2:05 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


"Just as we watched Lebron James and Steph Curry shake hands after a well fought final..." This is a heck of a pitch for unity.

"Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders are our champions. They both deserve our cheers." (followed by Bernie cheers of course)
posted by zachlipton at 2:05 PM on July 25, 2016 [13 favorites]


"Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders are our champions. They both deserve our cheers." - Wellington Webb is also handling this like a champ.
posted by everybody had matching towels at 2:05 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


I'm so furious and disgusted right now. If Bernie doesn't do everything he can to rebuke and chastise them for this nonsense during his speech, he's enabling them and not doing a damn thing to defeat Trump. He better come out fucking furious tonight. He asked them to be goddamn polite, and I guess none of them listened.
posted by yasaman at 2:05 PM on July 25, 2016 [20 favorites]


Well I thought I was done donating $ to Clinton for this pay period but I just sent over some more. I can't even watch the DNC stream right now but certainly, the Bern It Down people have, uh, moved me. I'm probably not alone.
posted by prize bull octorok at 2:05 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


The radical left is cooked.

Occupy this, assholes


There's a lot more to the radical left than a bunch of people booing at the DNC.
posted by teponaztli at 2:05 PM on July 25, 2016 [34 favorites]


I totally understand why people are watching this and panicking a little, but I actually feel reassured, because there was more leadership on display in Marcia Fudge's speech, calming the crowd, than at any point during the entirety of the RNC. This is the key difference: one side has a lot of people who have scraped and scratched their way into leadership positions throughout the country, who have earned it in ways we can't fully appreciate, and they're highlighting that, while the other side held a bookless book burning.
posted by feloniousmonk at 2:06 PM on July 25, 2016 [18 favorites]


Man, Webb is being so incredibly gracious about "they both deserve cheers", especially with the "Bernie" chants in the background.

You shouldn't have to instruct the delegates to cheer nicely for each other like you're addressing a kindergarten class, but...there we are, I guess.
posted by Salieri at 2:06 PM on July 25, 2016 [10 favorites]


I have seen about 25 people with voter registration setups. None of them have had any Hilary stuff on or mentioned her.
posted by lazaruslong at 2:06 PM on July 25, 2016


Someone on Facebook is really pissed off about the voter registration people at City Hall, lazaruslong. Apparently it's some kind of Hillary conspiracy? To get people to vote, I guess? I don't get it.

The only legitimate outcome is the one they want. Zero respect for democracy.
posted by tobascodagama at 2:06 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


Marcia Fudge is about to go back there and give her pointers on how to give the crowd a good staredown.

I was surprised to find that Ms. Fudge is single. Those definitely looked like some mom- and grandma-staredowns. But then she has to deal with fools in Congress.
posted by kirkaracha at 2:06 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


Lots of young black families playing in the water fountain thingy. Adorable. Bands playing. Seems pretty chill and enjoyable overall to be honest.
posted by lazaruslong at 2:06 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


For what it's worth, I see no sign at all that Bernie wants his people to disrupt the convention. He just can't control them.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 2:06 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


Look, Bernie spent a great deal of time making the case that the entire system is corrupt, and that Hillary is part of that system. Goldman Sachs speeches, SuperPacs, etc. The takeaway is that she's as corrupt as anyone else in the system. Of course, because Bernie doesn't care to do nuance, he never (until recently) pointed out that "corruption" isn't a binary feature. Politicians with SuperPacs can do real good for the nation (viz. Obama).

I jumped ship on Bernie when I started to feel that he was selling cynicism. Come on, Bernie. You created this. Do the right thing and tamp it down.
posted by persona au gratin at 2:06 PM on July 25, 2016 [42 favorites]


My god people walking to the podium are brave AF
posted by Tarumba at 2:07 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


Given that DWS's thing is supposed to be that she raises funds like nobody else, I understand not wanting to kick her in the face instead of ease her out. Don't want to piss off the donors that probably like her.

And honestly, I don't like what she's done, but there's a weird sort of glee in the way people go after her that's kind of uncomfortable. It's hard not to wonder if a man in that position would excite people's bloodlust quite so much. Maybe he would, but...like I said, it sets off my Spidey sense. Much like the way some people are just a little too into hating Clinton, as opposed to just saying "eh, I don't support her."
posted by emjaybee at 2:07 PM on July 25, 2016 [21 favorites]


Seriously though. That behavior. That's not new behavior. That's typical of what people have been experiencing since last fall.
posted by Annika Cicada at 2:07 PM on July 25, 2016 [18 favorites]


BERNIE BERNIE BERNIE
posted by Foci for Analysis at 2:07 PM on July 25, 2016


I cannot believe I just watched Wellington Webb have to scold a roomful of delegates like he's a school principal.

(A friend of mine is working inside the convention -- he's said that it's worse than what they're showing, but I'm genuinely afraid to ask for details.)
posted by kalimac at 2:07 PM on July 25, 2016 [13 favorites]


Without moving goalpoasts, the notion I find ludicrous is the suggestion that Trump and the Kremlin are actively working together, that Trump is a Russian asset or somehow controlled by Putin. It's all over Facebook and other such places, and I find it very hard to swallow and counterproductive.

As for capacity? Yes, I think should Russia (or China, or Germany, or whoever) wish to influence our election through technology, they'd be more than capable of doing more than hacking into a poorly-secured e-mail server being used in a pre-election nomination runup in order to... I'm not even sure what... make Clinton's employees look dishonest? That's the best they could do? What's the goal, there?

I also have trouble with motive. If the goal was to elect Trump, and all the polling says Sanders would defeat Trump more soundly than Hillary, why on earth harm Hillary? I also don't believe Putin is foolish enough to think a random-factor like Trump is a good thing to arm with a nuclear stockpile, no matter what NATO nonsense he sputters this week or next.

Also, just mentally reviewing every hack I've seen or read about in the last thirty years or so... stealing e-mails from a poorly-protected server and dumping them on WikiLeaks is something annoying hacker kids do, not state actors. It's so amateurish and pointless, compared to what they probably could do.

But maybe this is a dumb digression that is doing exactly what I feared it would do in our microcosm here: distract us from actual problems. It definitely doesn't have much to do with the convention, so apologies for my part in derailing.
posted by rokusan at 2:07 PM on July 25, 2016


There's a lot more to the radical left than a bunch of people booing at the DNC.

I am so fucking angry at these assholes. Thanks for validating every idiot liberal stereotype of the left and giving piles of ammunition to the center-right, guys!
posted by Pope Guilty at 2:07 PM on July 25, 2016 [27 favorites]


Maine delegate giving the Bernie crowd an outlet for their chants, talking about superdelegate reform. Hopefully this will calm the jackwagons down.
posted by tobascodagama at 2:07 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


DUMBLEDORE REFERENCE
posted by Hermione Granger at 2:07 PM on July 25, 2016 [11 favorites]


No boos for the Sanders delegate? Astonishing!
posted by palindromic at 2:08 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Without moving goalpoasts, the notion I find ludicrous is the suggestion that Trump and the Kremlin are actively working together, that Trump is a Russian asset or somehow controlled by Putin. It's all over Facebook and other such places, and I find it very hard to swallow and counterproductive.

Nobody seriously thinks Trump is directly working for/with Russia.
posted by Pope Guilty at 2:08 PM on July 25, 2016 [11 favorites]


"Dumbledore from Harry Potter once said..."
posted by joedan at 2:08 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Maybe this Diane Russel person can placate the dead-enders.
posted by snuffleupagus at 2:08 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


"family disagreement"
posted by Foci for Analysis at 2:08 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


"Dumbledore from Harry Potter once said"
posted by the uncomplicated soups of my childhood at 2:08 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Yayyy Dumbledore
posted by Tarumba at 2:08 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


@JenGriffinFNC - Breaking: Dem source: in last hour, Sanders camp urgently reached out to Clinton camp, worried their delegates plan to disrupt tonight.

You idiots.
posted by zarq at 2:08 PM on July 25, 2016 [19 favorites]


DUMBLEDORE VOTES DEMOCRAT

I am LIVING
posted by Hermione Granger at 2:08 PM on July 25, 2016 [27 favorites]


Jesus Christ so many cops. Lost count somewhere north of 80.
posted by lazaruslong at 2:08 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


I was once at a concert where people were super not into the opening act and Trent Reznor had to come out and tell the crowd to settle down and stop being assholes.

It is time for Bernie's Trent Reznor moment.
posted by Lyn Never at 2:08 PM on July 25, 2016 [25 favorites]


Ugh, so late to the party, but I must improve on this:
Ugh, I was going to vote Trump but I can't get behind a candidate who is anti-nap.

Giant Orange Toddler Refuses Nap
Trump in Hot Water for Resisting a Rest
posted by rouftop at 2:09 PM on July 25, 2016 [34 favorites]


No amendment to address the problems with the caucus system?
posted by ilicet at 2:09 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


It is time for Bernie's Trent Reznor moment.

The BoBs regard him as a sellout traitor. He doesn't have any power over them anymore.
posted by Pope Guilty at 2:09 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


I have seen about 25 people with voter registration setups. None of them have had any Hilary stuff on or mentioned her.

The voter reg people have been working it all summer -- I'm in center city fairly often, and I get stopped by them to check that I'm registered probably 50% of the time. Next time I wanna offer to get them an iced coffee or something.
posted by kalimac at 2:09 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


Come on, Bernie. You created this. Do the right thing and tamp it down.

I don't think he could anything more than what he's done already. His supporters don't care.
posted by tobascodagama at 2:09 PM on July 25, 2016 [8 favorites]


Oh wow. Someone is driving a big truck with a huge TV on the side playing grainy black and whit footage of Hilary interviews with time stamps and "lie #1" and "lie #2" underneath. Just circling city hall. No one seems to really be reacting or caring though.
posted by lazaruslong at 2:10 PM on July 25, 2016


I am so fucking angry at these assholes. Thanks for validating every idiot liberal stereotype of the left and giving piles of ammunition to the center-right, guys!

Yeah, it looks like we're not going need to worry about the plans for moving the Left forward.
posted by bongo_x at 2:10 PM on July 25, 2016 [7 favorites]


Theory: is the whole "crazy far-left Bernouts at the convention" just Hillary's Sista Soulja moment? Does this firmly plant her as the sensible moderate candidate?


Fuuuuu no this is probably just as bad as it feels.
posted by (Arsenio) Hall and (Warren) Oates at 2:10 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Whip them up more. That'll make sure the boos stop.
posted by Talez at 2:10 PM on July 25, 2016


Apparently, Bernie has sent out a text message asking everyone not to do disrupt or protest on the floor.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 2:10 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Are people in the audience wearing green Robin Hood hats or Peter Pan ones?
posted by Hermione Granger at 2:11 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


I'm really curious to see whether Trump agrees to debate Clinton. I imagine that he'd really prefer not to, but will he actually refuse to participate in an event that's seen as the most significant test of a Presidential campaign? And if he does participate, what the hell is that gonna look like? Political debates get messy even when the participants have a modicum of expertise and good faith – and with Trump involved, I can imagine no outcome other than a grotesque shitshow. Trump knows nothing about policy and governance, and he's at his worst when he's backed into a corner or being questioned. And I'm sure he sees Clinton as a prime target for his vile misogyny. It's gonna an ugly spectacle. I just hope that Clinton is able to take the high ground, stick to policy, and demonstrate the vast difference in experience and temperament between her and Trump.

(Of course, if the campaign so far is any guide, Trump's proponents won't care, and will probably eat it up.)
posted by escape from the potato planet at 2:11 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Putin almost certainly wants Trump to win.

Here is a bit from Kevin Drum on the relationship between Putin and Trump.
posted by persona au gratin at 2:11 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


A friend of mine is working inside the convention -- he's said that it's worse than what they're showing, but I'm genuinely afraid to ask for details.

Ask! Is it one group of delegates? More?
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 2:11 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


If the BoB's don't want Bernie, what in the hell do they want?
posted by snuffleupagus at 2:11 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


Fair number of feel the bern merch booths. No one in line.
posted by lazaruslong at 2:11 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


I totally understand why people are watching this and panicking a little, but I actually feel reassured, because there was more leadership on display in Marcia Fudge's speech, calming the crowd, than at any point during the entirety of the RNC.

I agree. This unity committee pitch is great. The RNC tried to pretend nothing happened. The DNC is putting an incredibly excited and happy Sanders delegate on stage and saying "let's do this." I doubt it will stop the boos entirely, but it's an actual display of leadership rather than last week's approach of pretending everything was fine.
posted by zachlipton at 2:11 PM on July 25, 2016 [10 favorites]


I don't think he could anything more than what he's done already. His supporters don't care.

That's not an excuse not to try. He could easily speak to his supporters from the podium for a moment and ask them to be respectful, rather than make a plea by text message.
posted by zarq at 2:11 PM on July 25, 2016 [6 favorites]


I just hope Michelle opens with a joke and says "Thank you very much. Thank you. You have all been very kind to Donald and me, to our young son Barron, and to our whole family. It's a very nice welcome and we're excited to be with you at this historic convention."
posted by Nanukthedog at 2:11 PM on July 25, 2016 [51 favorites]


His supporters don't care.

Oh come the fuck on. The overwhelming majority of his supporters will vote for Hillary, as confirmed by every single poll on the question.
posted by enn at 2:11 PM on July 25, 2016 [16 favorites]


This is great - I love that the DNC is giving a state representative this platform. State legislatures are so important, and she's a really engaging, enthusiastic speaker. I hope we see more of Diane Russell on a national stage.
posted by everybody had matching towels at 2:11 PM on July 25, 2016 [13 favorites]


If the BoB's don't want Bernie, what in the hell do they want?

Bust
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 2:11 PM on July 25, 2016 [43 favorites]


Lol at the guy who had a sign that said simply "Yes!" I mean that is a multi purpose sign if I ever saw one.
posted by Tarumba at 2:11 PM on July 25, 2016 [48 favorites]


Remember the halcyon days in which we gleefully looked forward to a brokered Republican convention
posted by beerperson at 2:12 PM on July 25, 2016 [15 favorites]


Cheering about superdelegates. Superdelegates didn't fuck you, idiots. Losing by over three million votes fucked you. Next time come with four million more votes.
posted by Talez at 2:12 PM on July 25, 2016 [33 favorites]


wasn't really listening then the Bernie delegate started yelling "WE WON THIS." ok.
posted by acidic at 2:12 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


This is "Bust," folks. You're watching it.
posted by argybarg at 2:12 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


Oh come the fuck on. The overwhelming majority of his supporters will vote for Hillary, as confirmed by every single poll on the question.

I'm talking about what's happening on the floor right now.
posted by tobascodagama at 2:12 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


Who is this? She needs to go.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 2:13 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


You mean the same superdelegates you wanted to use to take the nomination from Hillary?
posted by persona au gratin at 2:13 PM on July 25, 2016 [8 favorites]


Oh good, let's get fired up about super delegates. Jesus.
posted by bongo_x at 2:13 PM on July 25, 2016



Maybe this is what they want -- the final scene of El Cid.*


-----------------------------
* In case you don't know the story or haven't seen the movie, El Cid (Charlton Heston) is leading his army with a serious case of already being dead and nailed to his horse.
posted by Herodios at 2:13 PM on July 25, 2016 [7 favorites]


Oh come the fuck on. The overwhelming majority of his supporters will vote for Hillary, as confirmed by every single poll on the question.

On the FiveThirtyEight podcast this morning, they estimated that a third of Sanders supporters - 1.5 million voters - hadn't moved to Clinton yet.
posted by fitnr at 2:14 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Oh come the fuck on. The overwhelming majority of his supporters will vote for Hillary, as confirmed by every single poll on the question.

In November. And in the meantime, their efforts to try to delegitimize her to the country are proceeding apace on national television.
posted by zarq at 2:14 PM on July 25, 2016 [19 favorites]


This is great - I love that the DNC is giving a state representative this platform. State legislatures are so important, and she's a really engaging, enthusiastic speaker. I hope we see more of Diane Russell on a national stage.

Yes, I legitimately love this. And as much as the BoB line about being fucked by superdelegates is bullshit, I still don't like how the superdelegate system works. The reform seems like a genuinely good idea to me.
posted by tobascodagama at 2:14 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


Why would anyone try to work with folks like this?

You priced bristol board lately? I ain't made of signs here
posted by the uncomplicated soups of my childhood at 2:14 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


This is so fucking stupid and embarrassing.
posted by Talez at 2:14 PM on July 25, 2016 [7 favorites]


If the BoB's don't want Bernie, what in the hell do they want?

To feel strong and full of agency and to impose their will on people. This is a tantrum, and it's being thrown for the same reason every tantrum is thrown- overwhelming entitled frustration.
posted by Pope Guilty at 2:14 PM on July 25, 2016 [35 favorites]


wasn't really listening then the Bernie delegate started yelling "WE WON THIS." ok.

She was referring to the compromise that will reform the superdelegate system. That reform is what she means they won.
posted by dnash at 2:14 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


mortifying
posted by murphy slaw at 2:15 PM on July 25, 2016


Superdelegates are the adults in the room. They make sure Trump doesn't try to run as a Democrat next time.
posted by Talez at 2:15 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


The Clinton campaign pretty much had to pull DWS in. The last thing they need her for her to feel kicked to the curb, and decide that a cable news payday sounds like a good kiss-off.
posted by GameDesignerBen at 2:15 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


I have to say, if the purpose of the convention is to coalesce support for Hillary, it's working with me. I'm ready to get to work! Thanks BoBs.
posted by persona au gratin at 2:15 PM on July 25, 2016 [24 favorites]


Yeah, I hate the BoB crowd, but I have no issues with this speaker.
posted by tobascodagama at 2:15 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


Which this, Talez?
posted by Hermione Granger at 2:15 PM on July 25, 2016


Who is this? She needs to go.

Aw, I like her. Good energy, trying to get people hyped about rules committee changes, trying to make Sanders supporters happy with the changes that were made, even if they didn't get their candidate.
posted by palindromic at 2:15 PM on July 25, 2016 [13 favorites]


The reform seems like a genuinely good idea to me.

A counter argument.
posted by zarq at 2:16 PM on July 25, 2016


Which this, Talez?

This whole speech.
posted by Talez at 2:16 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


On the FiveThirtyEight podcast this morning, they estimated that a third of Sanders supporters - 1.5 million voters - hadn't moved to Clinton yet.

66 million people voted for Obama in 2012. Clinton will get fewer votes than that — but 1.5 million who haven't moved to her yet is not an existential concern in the last week of July.
posted by penduluum at 2:16 PM on July 25, 2016 [6 favorites]


She's being boo'd by the BoB's anyway.
posted by JakeEXTREME at 2:16 PM on July 25, 2016


democracy looks a bit embarrassed
posted by Foci for Analysis at 2:16 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


She's not doing a BoB thing, as much as the BoB folks in the back want her to be. She's working the crowd and giving them something to go home feeling good about.
posted by tobascodagama at 2:16 PM on July 25, 2016 [10 favorites]


Who is this? She needs to go.

Eh, this pitch is alright, but I don't think it's going to quiet the waters.

And what the hell was that just now?
posted by snuffleupagus at 2:17 PM on July 25, 2016


Yeah city hall is quiet. Reckon everyone is down at the thing. Gonna stand in front of these never Hilary people for a few then get a beer.
posted by lazaruslong at 2:17 PM on July 25, 2016


In November. And in the meantime, their efforts to try to delegitimize her to the country are proceeding apace on national television.

A tiny fraction, yes, just like the PUMAs in 2008. Remember them? Maybe not, because they turned out to be a few nutjobs blown up by the media into something more important than they were.

Hillary is doing a great job of losing this election all by herself; it's giving the boo-ers far more credit than they deserve to pretend they're the ones who are going to cost her the win.
posted by enn at 2:17 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


She's playing exactly the way they need to be played. Now the unity report will steamroll right on through. Great job, Rep. Russell.
posted by dw at 2:17 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


"I STAND WITH MY DEMOCAROTIC FAMILY"
posted by acidic at 2:17 PM on July 25, 2016 [8 favorites]


A counter argument.

Don't be daft.
posted by tobascodagama at 2:17 PM on July 25, 2016


I mean, "Paul LePage is my governor, I do not need to see anyone like him become the President of the United States." That's a good line.
posted by palindromic at 2:17 PM on July 25, 2016 [11 favorites]


Yeah, I appreciate what they're trying here, but she's a woman so they don't care what she says and they won't do what this speech was supposed to get them to do.
posted by Lyn Never at 2:18 PM on July 25, 2016 [6 favorites]


Aw, I like her. Good energy, trying to get people hyped about rules committee changes, trying to make Sanders supporters happy with the changes that were made.

Yes. But she could've wrapped up a couple minutes ago.

But she's trying to bring both sides together, and that's good. It sounds like it might be working, a little.
posted by dnash at 2:18 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


And she drops a "Clinton administration" reference and they cheer. Cancel Bernie tonight; throw her up there.
posted by dw at 2:18 PM on July 25, 2016 [12 favorites]


66 million people voted for Obama in 2012. Clinton will get fewer votes than that — but 1.5 million who haven't moved to her yet is not an existential concern in the last week of July.

That all depends on where they live. We can't assume they won't simply stay home, or vote for another candidate.

I agree that we shouldn't freak out. But right now we don't know what those voters will do, or how many of them there really are.
posted by zarq at 2:18 PM on July 25, 2016


cool great job boo-ers, you're really just giving fodder to everyone who wants to punch left for the rest of election season and eternity. love it
posted by burgerrr at 2:18 PM on July 25, 2016 [12 favorites]


Her whole speech comes down to making changes at the local level. It's what a lot of folks who feel disillusioned after their candidate lost need to hear, I think.

I thought she wasn't going to mention Hillary Clinton at all, but "We will all have a voice in the Clinton administration!" is very powerful.
posted by everybody had matching towels at 2:18 PM on July 25, 2016 [34 favorites]


Aw, I like her. Good energy, trying to get people hyped about rules committee changes, trying to make Sanders supporters happy with the changes that were made.

And she just said she's doing to do everything she can do to elect Hillary. She's not part of the problem here.
posted by tonycpsu at 2:18 PM on July 25, 2016 [15 favorites]


Bernie, bernie Bernie...chanted OVER SOMEONE TRYING TO CLOSE A PRAYER TO GOD!?~?

Obviously confirming the claim that he's a closet atheist, right?

As I suggested before, put some Trump signs in the hands of BernieBusters. (They're the same color as the Bernie signs). They'll neither notice nor care.

And call me cynical, but there are people on the floor who are DEFINITELY on Trump's payroll. Or Putin's. Check for Trump properties in California and you'll find the Cal Bernie Delegation.
posted by oneswellfoop at 2:19 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


Aw, I like her. Good energy, trying to get people hyped about rules committee changes, trying to make Sanders supporters happy with the changes that were made.

There's a definite message of "Hillary supporters on the rules committee didn't want to have a truly democratic system, but we prevailed against all odds." She switched it up a bit after but I find that message divisive and also a bit absurd. It's not about legitimate disagreements, it's about one side that can be bought and one side that can't be.
posted by vathek at 2:19 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Were PUMAs shouting at the DNC in 08? I can't remember.
posted by persona au gratin at 2:19 PM on July 25, 2016


This woman did well enough to maybe, in four years time, become a superdele-- oh wait.
posted by acidic at 2:19 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


Who is this? She needs to go.

She's my local house of representatives rep, here in Portland, Maine. Somewhat surprised to see her when I turned on the Twitch feed. She just lost a primary fight for to run as the Dem for State Senate, by quite a lot (Portland elections are often Dem, Progressive, and Green). She's termed out of her house seat. I didn't realize she had such a high standing with the DNC.
posted by anastasiav at 2:20 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


Hillary is doing a great job of losing this election all by herself; it's giving the boo-ers far more credit than they deserve to pretend they're the ones who are going to cost her the win.

How is Clinton losing by herself, exactly?
posted by OmieWise at 2:20 PM on July 25, 2016 [13 favorites]


Her whole speech comes down to making changes at the local level. It's what a lot of folks who feel disillusioned after their candidate lost need to hear, I think.

I agree, the focus on process was perfect. I don't think it's really going to placate the hardcore BoBs, but it's a nice dose of sanity from the Sanders side of the floor.
posted by tobascodagama at 2:20 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Can Marcia Fudge adopt me and run my life for me? I promise I won't be too much trouble for her.
posted by Salieri at 2:20 PM on July 25, 2016 [11 favorites]


66 million people voted for Obama in 2012. Clinton will get fewer votes than that — but 1.5 million who haven't moved to her yet is not an existential concern in the last week of July.

Yeah, and 61 million voted for the other guy. A third of the 2012 margin is an non-negligable number. The convention is the traditional time that the party unifies, so this is exactly the time to be interested who that's going.
posted by fitnr at 2:20 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


Bundling the Unity Report with the rest of the Rules is a damn screwed tactical move.
posted by zachlipton at 2:20 PM on July 25, 2016


Ironically, Russell was recently ousted after an really heated (and wanky) primary. And got fined by Maine's electoral commission for her temerity.

Maine is really a model for the nation in the way that its Democratic party is a thousand squirrels biting each other on a shoddy raft in the middle of the Pacific Ocean.
posted by selfnoise at 2:21 PM on July 25, 2016 [8 favorites]


How is Clinton losing by herself, exactly?

Not being Sanders, apparently.
posted by vathek at 2:21 PM on July 25, 2016 [10 favorites]


It feels so weird to see an old white guy now. I like that feeling.
posted by stolyarova at 2:21 PM on July 25, 2016 [28 favorites]


Seeing so many women speaking at the DNC is giving me feels I didn't know I wanted so badly
posted by Hermione Granger at 2:21 PM on July 25, 2016 [17 favorites]


To clarify, I like that it's weird.
posted by stolyarova at 2:21 PM on July 25, 2016 [10 favorites]


Maybe I'm naive, but I can't see any of this mattering in the slightest 3.5 months from now. No amount of people commenting their despair/anger/fear for the millionth time is going to change things. Relax, folks. Deep breaths.
posted by downtohisturtles at 2:22 PM on July 25, 2016 [16 favorites]


There's a definite message of "Hillary supporters on the rules committee didn't want to have a truly democratic system, but we prevailed against all odds." She switched it up a bit after but I find that message divisive and also a bit absurd. It's not about legitimate disagreements, it's about one side that can be bought and one side that can't be.

I hear what you're saying, but I feel like one should flatter their audience a little if one is seeking to persuade. One can't just go up there and be like 'You Bernie dead-enders are a pack of mouth-breathing assholes who want Trump to be POTUS!' I think she struck the right tone of 'We already accomplished so much by sticking to our values' and 'Now there is work to be done.'
posted by palindromic at 2:22 PM on July 25, 2016 [7 favorites]


Don't be daft.

Considering the ongoing tepid response to Trump from GOP party elders, had superdelegates existed on the Republican side it is likely they would have prevented him from winning the nomination. Also, if the Republicans had had a primary delegate system similar to the Democrats, Trump would have been easily stopped during the primaries.

No nomination, no chance at the Presidency. This could have been a very different election if the Republicans had played by the Democrats' rules.
posted by zarq at 2:23 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


I kinda wish someone would just say "Hillary won the nomination for Democratic candidate for president by 3 million votes!" then wait 30 seconds for the booing, then say it again. Do this for about 10 minutes until all the Bernie folk are just plum tuckered out.
posted by DynamiteToast at 2:23 PM on July 25, 2016 [24 favorites]




cool great job boo-ers, you're really just giving fodder to everyone who wants to punch left for the rest of election season and eternity. love it

i should note that i voted bernie in the primaries and live in a blue enough area to have the luxury to vote third party, should i so choose, and i am not at all sold on HRC due to serious policy disagreements. i just freaking want the left-punching to stop and booing every single person at the DNC isn't going to help that cause at all ughhhh
posted by burgerrr at 2:24 PM on July 25, 2016 [14 favorites]


I think the message was a good one, but when the crowd was chanting back at her "this is not what democracy looks like" that it is clear that some people just don't want to be persuaded.
posted by JakeEXTREME at 2:24 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


Webb's done the best job so far at trying to pull the Clinton-Sanders rift a little closer together. Nice to see, since pretty much nobody has done that very well.

It occurs to me, months late, that in Sanders and Clinton, we had two candidates not very good at bringing disagreeing people together. They have their camps, each in their own way, and you're either with them or against them. And it hasn't really changed all year.

So if this is a fracture that won't heal (and I don't think it is, not yet), then I think they both played a part. Each camp blaming the other, completely, is part of the problem.
posted by rokusan at 2:24 PM on July 25, 2016 [7 favorites]


I'm just hoping these people get it out of their systems in a day or two. Because hearing the uproar whenever Hillary is mentioned and then complete crickets when the speaker is talking about Republican obstructionism is depressing.
posted by Salieri at 2:24 PM on July 25, 2016 [10 favorites]



The BoBs -- Helter Skelter
posted by Herodios at 2:24 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


Turns out Mallory Ortberg is the only DNC coverage I need.

She's not live-blogging though - now I too feel the urge to boo!
posted by palindromic at 2:25 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


@daveweigel - Only a handful of boos for the compromise "unity commission" on superdelegates. Very well managed by campaigns.
posted by DynamiteToast at 2:25 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


I really hope Hillary wins in the fall, but every boo today warms my heart.
posted by ethansr at 2:25 PM on July 25, 2016 [9 favorites]


the crowd was chanting back at her "this is not what democracy looks like"

For a group criticized for disorganization, a chant that complex shows some impressive orchestration.

(It's hard enough getting 30 people to say "Heck, No!" on the same beat.)
posted by rokusan at 2:26 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


We're all in this together
And we know if we stand
Hand in hand
We can make it
We're all in this together!

-- Democratic National Convention Musical

it was too easy, sorry
posted by Hermione Granger at 2:26 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Well you should just be nice and roasty toasty for four straight days then.
posted by argybarg at 2:26 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Hey we get a shout out to O'Malley. That's nice. (No shout outs for Jim Webb, and I wouldn't hold your breath.)
posted by zachlipton at 2:27 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


HERE WE GO. ELIJAH CUMMINGS GONNA BITCHSLAP YOU.
posted by Talez at 2:27 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


The lever I see Trump and the Right pushing now is that "Hillary Didn't Actually Win The Primary" as the new Birther conspiracy, to devalue her as a valid candidate / her administration if she wins.
posted by mrzarquon at 2:27 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


O'Malley shoutout (from fellow Marylander Steny Hoyer)! I almost forgot about him! Is he there? Does he get to speak?
posted by everybody had matching towels at 2:27 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


I really hope Hillary wins in the fall, but every boo today warms my heart.

If you truly hope that, than it really shouldn't.
posted by peacheater at 2:27 PM on July 25, 2016 [58 favorites]


Maybe I'm naive, but I can't see any of this mattering in the slightest 3.5 months from now.

For the election, not much. For the Left having power in the Democratic party? Self defeating.
posted by bongo_x at 2:27 PM on July 25, 2016 [7 favorites]


I don't really do drunk Amazon shopping or whatever but damned if I am going to make it through today without accidentally ordering some HRC shot glasses
posted by sunset in snow country at 2:27 PM on July 25, 2016 [7 favorites]


Jim Webb is literally the worst person in the world, and I would boo a shout-out to him.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 2:28 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


I really hope Hillary wins in the fall, but every boo today warms my heart.

Every one of those boos is every non-lefty in the room gaining just a little bit more justification for continuing and worsening the marginalization of the left in American politics. What are you so heartened by?
posted by Pope Guilty at 2:28 PM on July 25, 2016 [41 favorites]


Really, ethansr? You like women and minorities having to shout to be heard? You like progressive goals being booed? That's what fucking warms your heart?
posted by tavella at 2:28 PM on July 25, 2016 [80 favorites]


Nobody seriously thinks Trump is directly working for/with Russia. -- Pope Guilty

Forgiveness, Pontiff. You're right. Nobody here said that. This whole season has made me forget, at times, that MetaFilter is not the Internet at large. I'll try to remember that and leave the outside baggage outside the blue door.
posted by rokusan at 2:28 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


I really hope Hillary wins in the fall, but every boo today warms my heart.

Wait, what?
posted by Mooski at 2:28 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


So much Maryland!
posted by Akhu at 2:28 PM on July 25, 2016



I really hope Hillary wins in the fall, but every boo today warms my heart.


People right now are talking about values important to me and many others and some complete jerks are fucking booing what even
posted by zutalors! at 2:28 PM on July 25, 2016 [49 favorites]


Does anyone know where Bernie is right now? Like, physically? Could he walk the floor and talk to the boo-ers himself? Would that be possible?
posted by mhum at 2:30 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


Prediction: There is some sort of street-theater thing being planned, possibly involving giant puppets (they love their puppets). My guess is they have smuggled some way of depicting Hillary, a pile of dirty cash, and/or leg irons. Probably during the delegate count.
posted by argybarg at 2:31 PM on July 25, 2016


Black lives matter!
posted by The corpse in the library at 2:31 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


LOUD cheer for Black Lives Matter.

That is awesome.
posted by Salieri at 2:31 PM on July 25, 2016 [34 favorites]


I don't know that it would be helpful. It might even seem desperate.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 2:31 PM on July 25, 2016


Black lives matter!
posted by chapps at 2:31 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


Prediction: There is some sort of street-theater thing being planned, possibly involving giant puppets (they love their puppets). My guess is they have smuggled some way of depicting Hillary, a pile of dirty cash, and/or leg irons. Probably during the delegate count.

Don't forget the six pointed Star of David sun!
posted by Talez at 2:32 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


Cheers for BLM on the floor, and I heard no boos at that one.
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 2:32 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


My guess is they have smuggled some way of depicting Hillary, a pile of dirty cash, and/or leg irons. Probably during the delegate count.

With a sheriff's star?
posted by bongo_x at 2:32 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Has anyone got a count on these fucks?
posted by Artw at 2:32 PM on July 25, 2016


Cummings: "Our party knows that diversity is not our problem, but our promise!"
posted by palindromic at 2:32 PM on July 25, 2016 [12 favorites]


What are they chanting now?
posted by stolyarova at 2:32 PM on July 25, 2016


I really hope Hillary wins in the fall, but every boo today warms my heart.

As an actual socialist who loves Sanders, I can tell you I despise the behavior of the booers. They are letting pride Trump equality and civil rights. They are making it impossible for anyone to take us seriously in a long time.
posted by Tarumba at 2:32 PM on July 25, 2016 [41 favorites]


Loud chant for "No TPP" edging on overpowering Rep Cummings right now...
posted by DynamiteToast at 2:32 PM on July 25, 2016


Notice they won't even let the people they agree with speak. It's all about them.
posted by argybarg at 2:33 PM on July 25, 2016 [12 favorites]


"I was shouting Boo-urnie [Sanders]."
posted by infinitywaltz at 2:33 PM on July 25, 2016 [6 favorites]


"No TPP"
posted by malphigian at 2:33 PM on July 25, 2016


These guys are mic checking Elijah Cummings discussing civil rights and Black Lives Matter to shout "no TPP." Have they no sense of decency?
posted by zachlipton at 2:33 PM on July 25, 2016 [58 favorites]


ugh mic check
posted by OverlappingElvis at 2:33 PM on July 25, 2016


"No TPP"
posted by The corpse in the library at 2:33 PM on July 25, 2016


Chanters: DOWN WITH TPP
posted by palindromic at 2:33 PM on July 25, 2016


What are they chanting?
posted by mochapickle at 2:33 PM on July 25, 2016


Jesus fucking christ, these people are garbage.
posted by Lyn Never at 2:33 PM on July 25, 2016 [20 favorites]


Oh my God, my face is going to spontaneously burst into flame if they keep talking over him SHUT UP jesus
posted by kalimac at 2:33 PM on July 25, 2016 [8 favorites]


Who the hell is doing a Mic check / Stop TPP over *this* speech.
posted by mrzarquon at 2:33 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


These fucking idiots, Jesus Christ
posted by penduluum at 2:33 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


Good heavens. Cummings is fantastic and they need to pipe down.
posted by mochapickle at 2:33 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


Let's interrupt the defense of black lives matter to bring up the TPP!
posted by Tarumba at 2:33 PM on July 25, 2016 [19 favorites]


Who is being booed?

So far....

A woman pastor
Older white dude
Women of color
A gay man.
Men of color.

The Bernie or Busters should be ashamed of themselves. Except for the non-gay (I assume?) white guy, they've managed to try to shout down a bunch of minority voices.
posted by zarq at 2:34 PM on July 25, 2016 [45 favorites]


How many of these chanters cared about TPP a week ago?
posted by The corpse in the library at 2:34 PM on July 25, 2016 [9 favorites]


FFS people, let the man speak.
posted by teleri025 at 2:34 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


With all the stuff that Michael Moore's been saying about how Trump stands a better chance than ever to win? -- Hermione Granger

Jesus, that article. I want to shrug it off, too, but Moore was one of the few people who called the Trump candidacy so early on, and back then I thought there was no way in hell the Republicans would ever let that happen, so....

I need to rethink my life. And buy more whisky.
posted by rokusan at 2:34 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


A couple days ago I saw a pic (which unfortunately I can't find again) of someone wearing a button version of Tony Puryear's poster for Hillary 2008, but I can't find one for sale anywhere. Has anyone seen it?
posted by rifflesby at 2:34 PM on July 25, 2016


So the TPP debate is over now.
posted by bongo_x at 2:34 PM on July 25, 2016


Thanks for the practical demonstration of erasure, fucking Berners.
posted by stolyarova at 2:35 PM on July 25, 2016 [21 favorites]


Wait, what does TPP stand for? I thought it meant "Trump/Pence"
posted by Hermione Granger at 2:35 PM on July 25, 2016


Oh my GOD I can't even enjoy one of the most engaging speakers so far talking about his father.

SHUT UP ASSHOLES
posted by Salieri at 2:35 PM on July 25, 2016 [9 favorites]


The chant almost kind of sounds like "Long Live the Queen" if you sort of squint your ears a little
posted by the uncomplicated soups of my childhood at 2:35 PM on July 25, 2016 [6 favorites]


Not only are they assholes, they won't take yes for an answer.
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 2:35 PM on July 25, 2016 [10 favorites]


STFU about the TPP, oh my god
posted by palindromic at 2:35 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


zachlipton: These guys are mic checking Elijah Cummings discussing civil rights and Black Lives Matter to shout "no TPP." Have they no sense of decency?

But someone's heart is being warmed! That's the important thing!
posted by tavella at 2:35 PM on July 25, 2016 [13 favorites]


Again, this is the "Bust" in "Bernie or Bust." No one will be heard.
posted by argybarg at 2:35 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


This is a damn fine speech. I wish I could have heard it better.
posted by stolyarova at 2:35 PM on July 25, 2016 [8 favorites]


Wait, what does TPP stand for? I thought it meant "Trump/Pence"

Trans-Pacific Partnership.
posted by Talez at 2:35 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


This speech deserves a better crowd.
posted by mochapickle at 2:35 PM on July 25, 2016 [11 favorites]


Bernie or Busters blithely chanting "Stop TPP" over the black congressman demanding progress on civil rights is a microcosm of the worst aspects of the Sanders campaign.
posted by Rhaomi at 2:35 PM on July 25, 2016 [142 favorites]


Jesus, they are trying to shout him down talking about his sharecropper father.
posted by acidic at 2:36 PM on July 25, 2016 [25 favorites]


Wait how did we get onto TPP?

(Yes, it sucks. And yes, every candidate in this election will pass and support it anyway, no matter what they say now. It cannot be changed. Okay, everyone got that? Great, let's move on.)
posted by rokusan at 2:36 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


Never mind, don't answer my question. I am mortified that I didn't know what that meant
posted by Hermione Granger at 2:36 PM on July 25, 2016


At first I thought they were saying "LGBT" but damn, I'm so sorry to be wrong.
posted by JakeEXTREME at 2:36 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


At this rate they will burn themselves out before Bernie hits the stage.
posted by dw at 2:36 PM on July 25, 2016


The thread is moving so fast it's hard to keep up and I know this is 90 minutes old at this point which is an eternity in these threads but

There's been buzz that the Clinton camp is also uninterested in debates, el io.

The thinking being that she has a comfortable lead now and won't win over any new converts anyway (and doesn't need them) while the wild randomness Trump can introduce could tip over the cart in so many unpredictable ways. It's better to stay in control, etc.


oh god please no

This is exactly what happened during the primaries, when Clinton was confident in her lead over Sanders and thought more debates would only lead to negatives, until Sanders started gaining a lot of ground and all of a sudden the Clinton campaign was scrambling to get the DNC to schedule more debates! This was mere months ago, please tell me the lesson hasn't already been forgotten

Not only that, but honestly I think it's just bad strategy anyway. Clinton is smart and actually knows things and has plans and can answer questions with more than just "oh I'm gonna get rid of it" or "I'm gonna have the best people look into it" and can call out wrong information and stupid ideas on the fly and Trump has literally none of that. And maybe it didn't matter that Trump had none of that when his fiercest debate opponents were a low energy failson, a debate squad blobfish that nobody has ever liked, a man simultaneously suffering from and whose voice induces narcolepsy, etc., etc., but put him up against Clinton and he's going to look like the know nothing dipshit blowhard he is. Which yes, admittedly, isn't going to sway EVERYONE, but I think it would be powerful for some of the wishy washy types who have swung Republican in the past week.

Not to mention that of course Trump isn't going to want to agree to the debates, so as long as he doesn't the entire Democratic and further left establishments can relentlessly mock his cowardice and point out how afraid he is of a woman, since his dumbass hubris and his umbrage at any kind of confrontation with an assertive woman are incredibly well known weak points at this stage in the game
posted by cobra_high_tigers at 2:37 PM on July 25, 2016 [22 favorites]


Well, the future of the Democratic Party has made its voice heard. The Democratic Party is fucked.
posted by Optamystic at 2:37 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


thank you Talez <3
posted by Hermione Granger at 2:37 PM on July 25, 2016


I am all for protesting but this is beyond the pale.
posted by futz at 2:37 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


Hillary is not a values candidate, rallying around Hillary is not about values, and Hillary certainly has no monopoly on minority support. A vote for Hillary is about saving our country from catastrophe, nothing more. Look at her VP pick then talk to me about values. The boos are for the rotten choice America has been given, not for the speakers, not for your values.
posted by ethansr at 2:37 PM on July 25, 2016 [6 favorites]


Wow, there is a really gross element in this audience.
posted by biogeo at 2:38 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


Jesus, they are trying to shout him down talking about his sharecropper father.

That's impressively tone deaf. I hope someone finds some of these people and plays back their footage for them.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 2:38 PM on July 25, 2016 [20 favorites]


Wait how did we get onto TPP?

(Yes, it sucks. And yes, every candidate in this election will pass and support it anyway, no matter what they say now. It cannot be changed. Okay, everyone got that? Great, let's move on.)


Most shots from the stage since the beginning have shown a smattering (at least 10-20) of anti-TPP signs in the audience, more when the BoB folks are riled up.
posted by DynamiteToast at 2:38 PM on July 25, 2016


Are you fucking kidding me. Elijah Cummings is talking about Black Lives Matter and racial justice and they're chanting NO TPP?! I'm so fucking furious. You want to know why so many people of color are furious with Bernie, you want to know why he didn't have support from the majority of the POC community? Because his supporters pull shit like this. They are literally shouting down a black man talking about racial justice for their pet issue.
posted by yasaman at 2:38 PM on July 25, 2016 [118 favorites]


I hope the people who heard a black congressman speak about black rights and chose to drown him out with "NO TPP" are fucking proud of themselves.
posted by East Manitoba Regional Junior Kabaddi Champion '94 at 2:38 PM on July 25, 2016 [20 favorites]


Wait how did we get onto TPP?

Elijah Cummings is the chairman of the Democratic Party Platform Committee which refused to include a no-TPP provision as a nod to Obama's work so far on the treaty.
posted by Talez at 2:39 PM on July 25, 2016 [9 favorites]


Hillary is not a values candidate, rallying around Hillary is not about values

She shares a ton of my values, and screw you for erasing my, and her millions of other supporters', existence.
posted by showbiz_liz at 2:39 PM on July 25, 2016 [143 favorites]


I think Tim Kaine has hella values and I think he'd make a great VP and I'm excited to vote for the Clinton/Kaine ticket.
posted by prize bull octorok at 2:39 PM on July 25, 2016 [55 favorites]


Look at her VP pick then talk to me about values.

Yeah, that fucking asshole civil rights lawyer who's deeply religious but refuses to push his religion on others I mean hang on what were we talking about again?
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 2:39 PM on July 25, 2016 [116 favorites]


There's been buzz that the Clinton camp is also uninterested in debates, el io.

The Democrats have committed to three debates. She's not going to pass them up. This is a ridiculous rumor.
posted by dw at 2:39 PM on July 25, 2016 [7 favorites]


Wow, I am completely stunned at how much they are fucking this up. Their own cause I mean.
posted by bongo_x at 2:39 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Hillary is not a values candidate, rallying around Hillary is not about values, and Hillary certainly has no monopoly on minority support. A vote for Hillary is about saving our country from catastrophe, nothing more. Look at her VP pick then talk to me about values. The boos are for the rotten choice America has been given, not for the speakers, not for your values.

I have different opinions than you. And yes, I have values, and they don't involve loving minorities being booed.
posted by zutalors! at 2:39 PM on July 25, 2016 [65 favorites]


Hillary is not a values candidate, rallying around Hillary is not about values

Speak for yourself. She speaks for many, many of my values.
posted by Salieri at 2:39 PM on July 25, 2016 [60 favorites]


doo doo doo... It's the funky platform committee!
posted by The corpse in the library at 2:39 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


Who is being booed?

So far....

A woman pastor
Older white dude
Women of color
A gay man.
Men of color.

The Bernie or Busters should be ashamed of themselves. Except for the non-gay (I assume?) white guy, they've managed to try to shout down a bunch of minority voices.
In fairness to the boo'ers, the speakers thusfar have been largely PoC and women... White straight men are a minority (and have there even been any young white straight men on stage yet?). The boo'ing pisses me off, but I don't think it's racist or misogynist; the Democratic Party is just filled with diversity (woot!).
posted by el io at 2:39 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


The boos are for the rotten choice America has been given, not for the speakers, not for your values.

You know what, I'm pretty damn happy with Clinton, on the whole. She's not perfect but she pretty much does align with my values. These are boos for my values.
posted by biogeo at 2:39 PM on July 25, 2016 [58 favorites]


Hillary is not a values candidate, rallying around Hillary is not about values, and Hillary certainly has no monopoly on minority support. A vote for Hillary is about saving our country from catastrophe, nothing more. Look at her VP pick then talk to me about values. The boos are for the rotten choice America has been given, not for the speakers, not for your values.

Whatever helps you sleep at night. Because from where I'm sitting, erasing the voices of minorities and women because you didn't succeed at convincing people of your position is anathema to progressive values.
posted by NoxAeternum at 2:40 PM on July 25, 2016 [72 favorites]


Oh, I agree, Cobra. She should debate, as often as possible, since she's the adult in the room. But you can almost hear the number-crunching advisors warning her it's unnecessarily risky, in that more-to-lose-than-gain way, the same way they kept her largely silent and away from the press and debates through the second half of the primaries so she could "coast" to victory without surprises. It got narrow, but it worked, so those people probably have more cred now.

It's funny to think both camps might be afraid of debates, anyway. If that's how it plays out, we'll see some interesting games of reverse chicken.
posted by rokusan at 2:40 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Speak for yourself. She speaks for many, many of my values.

Same here. I'm With Her, dammit.
posted by Existential Dread at 2:41 PM on July 25, 2016 [29 favorites]


Bernie or Bust 2016: By all means, let the perfect be the enemy of the good
posted by Vic Morrow's Personal Vietnam at 2:41 PM on July 25, 2016 [16 favorites]


Among my values is the belief that members of marginalized and oppressed communities should be able to speak without being shouted down by people who believe that trade deals are more important than their ideas and experiences. That is one of my values.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 2:41 PM on July 25, 2016 [67 favorites]


The thing I'm most looking forward to in the next few months is Clinton wiping the floor with debating Trump.
posted by lovecrafty at 2:41 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


so i thought maybe this would be the convention i could watch without flinching so hard that i got muscle spasms but apparently not

the good news is that the schedule for this week just opened way up
posted by murphy slaw at 2:42 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


It may or may not be racist and misogynist, fine fine. At the very least it shows a severe lack of awareness about how their aggressive silencing of women and people of color would look. I can't see their intentions, but I can see the real world effects of their actions.
posted by palindromic at 2:42 PM on July 25, 2016 [10 favorites]


YES BARBARA JORDAN NAMECHECK YESSSSSSSS

(ps my friend on the floor said that the boo-ing is everyone, going back and forth between Hillary and Bernie supporters.)
posted by kalimac at 2:42 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


My values are on display on this stage and the ones representing them are sure as hell not the ones chanting over Elijah Cummings.
posted by Stacey at 2:42 PM on July 25, 2016 [17 favorites]


I need to hit a MetaStop and collect some more favorites to give out cause I know I'm gonna be out way before this thread winds down for the night
posted by prize bull octorok at 2:42 PM on July 25, 2016 [7 favorites]


Speaker: "We've heard your voices! Please welcome our next guest!"
Boo from Monsters Inc. enters the stage.
Crowd: "Booo! Boo! Boo.... wait no. what."
posted by Kabanos at 2:42 PM on July 25, 2016 [17 favorites]


alternately,
Bernie or Bust 2016: Bern it all down
posted by Vic Morrow's Personal Vietnam at 2:42 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


The boos are for the rotten choice America has been given, not for the speakers, not for your values.

The boos are actively damaging hopes of pushing the Democratic party leftward by making the left look like entitled children. The boos are a bunch of (primarily) white men disrespecting speakers who are women and POC, speakers who are discussing real issues that affect them. The boos are ugly and we need less ugly right now.
posted by Gaz Errant at 2:43 PM on July 25, 2016 [56 favorites]


I guess the boo'ers may unite the party after all. No one will give a fuck what they think from now on though.
posted by bongo_x at 2:43 PM on July 25, 2016 [13 favorites]


As a Bernie supporter, eff these people.
posted by waitingtoderail at 2:43 PM on July 25, 2016 [15 favorites]


I did not drink during the RNC and I think I'm gonna have to hit the liquor store on the way home today. I already have a headache from watching this shit.
posted by DynamiteToast at 2:43 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


Please keep the updates coming, kalimac....
posted by mochapickle at 2:43 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


Hillary is not a values candidate, rallying around Hillary is not about values

Maybe not for you, but for a lot of us she is. Many many people voted for her because they liked what she had to say and what she advocates for. If you're not one of them, that's fine, but its ridiculous to assert no one is.
posted by thefoxgod at 2:43 PM on July 25, 2016 [13 favorites]


Look at her VP pick then talk to me about values.

Oh crap, I never thought that her picking a civil rights lawyer shows that she's a crass, emotionless husk of a human being before. You sure showed me.
posted by chimaera at 2:44 PM on July 25, 2016 [51 favorites]


The boos are for the rotten choice America has been given, not for the speakers, not for your values.

No, those boos are for the lulz, and having Trumpism come to America for the lulz would be the Trumpiest way for it to happen. Growing the fuck up is also a choice.
posted by holgate at 2:44 PM on July 25, 2016 [39 favorites]


The thing I'm most looking forward to in the next few months is Clinton wiping the floor with debating Trump.

The thing I'm most scared of in the next few months is her debating Trump, actually. Not that I don't think she'll slaughter him on substance, but because I'm pretty sure that it won't matter: TV is his comfort zone, and low-information voters care about uglier things than nuance and reason.
posted by fifthrider at 2:44 PM on July 25, 2016 [8 favorites]


Ah yes, let's get Daniel Malloy onstage. He's got -- what -- 20% approval in CT?
posted by birdheist at 2:44 PM on July 25, 2016


STOP SUPPORTING TRUMP YOU LOUDMOUTHED ASSHOLES.

Every BOO at the DNC is a cheer for Trump.

STOP SUPPORTING TRUMP.
posted by yesster at 2:44 PM on July 25, 2016 [8 favorites]


Oh dear, here we go. Getting the platform through is the biggest test so far.
posted by dw at 2:44 PM on July 25, 2016


This voice vote will be a shitshow and shame chants coming from Berners and cheering coming from Clinton supporters.
posted by Talez at 2:45 PM on July 25, 2016


I need to hit a MetaStop and collect some more favorites to give out cause I know I'm gonna be out way before this thread winds down for the night

Hope you can find your way back through all these low CP BoBs.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 2:45 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


[Folks, this is a hell of a weird start to the DNC and I know it's somewhat inseparable from the charged-as-hell primary season that led up to it, but let's please make an effort to keep it a little bit cooler in here.]
posted by cortex (staff) at 2:45 PM on July 25, 2016 [21 favorites]


Isn't this guy a bit underdressed to be a speaker?
posted by sideshow at 2:46 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


I did not cry at the republican convention. But the total disrespect of a black man talking about black lives matter breaks my heart, and it made me cry.

Bernie or bust people, I have no idea what you are, but you are not the left. I am embarrassed I ever supported the same candidate you did. In my heart I hope Bernie is embarrassed of you as well.
posted by Tarumba at 2:46 PM on July 25, 2016 [81 favorites]


My cousin is a hardcore Bernie person who lives in California, and as of a week ago, many of her FB friends still were convinced that they could get Bernie nominated at the convention, "just like FDR." That's what these people probably think they're doing. The fact that their reality does not resemble the reality most of us live in has not penetrated whatever bubble they're in. They really think this is gonna work and everyone will thank them for it.
posted by showbiz_liz at 2:46 PM on July 25, 2016 [10 favorites]


I'm not generally in favour of buying a huge roll of bubble-wrap, plucking people from the floor of a convention, wrapping them up in it securely with duct tape and throwing them in a cellar for four days.

But I would be hard-pressed to argue against it at the moment.
posted by Devonian at 2:47 PM on July 25, 2016 [7 favorites]


ethansr: Hillary is not a values candidate, rallying around Hillary is not about values, and Hillary certainly has no monopoly on minority support. A vote for Hillary is about saving our country from catastrophe, nothing more. Look at her VP pick then talk to me about values. The boos are for the rotten choice America has been given, not for the speakers, not for your values.

I'll fucking talk to you about values. I'll talk to you about a guy who decided to go work in Central America helping poor kids. I'll talk to you about a guy who took his Harvard Law degree and decided to use it as a legal aid lawyer helping minority plaintiffs sue over redlining, instead of making bucks at a huge law firm. I'll talk to you about a guy who chose to move into a integrated neighborhood, go to an integrated church (often not that easy to find in the South), send his kids to majority-AA public schools -- and that sure as hell isn't typical even for liberals in the South. Who was a good mayor and a good governor and a good man.

Behold the Bernie or Buster: that good man is a 'rotten choice'.
posted by tavella at 2:47 PM on July 25, 2016 [119 favorites]


When all of these dissenters go to their hotels tonight they will be looking at social media and be so happy that they got a mention but I feel it will be completely lost on them at what cost.
posted by JakeEXTREME at 2:47 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


The fact that their reality does not resemble the reality most of us live in has not penetrated whatever bubble they're in.

Epistemic closure: not just for reactionaries anymore!
posted by chimaera at 2:47 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


Okay now I'm beginning to understand how America ended up with George W. Bush twice.
posted by vanar sena at 2:47 PM on July 25, 2016 [40 favorites]


Isn't this guy a bit underdressed to be a speaker?

He's with AFCSME. Some people in the union movement refuse to wear suits.
posted by fitnr at 2:47 PM on July 25, 2016 [11 favorites]


Oh god here they go again.
posted by biogeo at 2:48 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Not to be a jerk but did this guy win a raffle to read this speech?
posted by birdheist at 2:48 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


So a white dude talks about trade and they say nothing?
posted by teleri025 at 2:48 PM on July 25, 2016 [15 favorites]


You know what this room needs?



John Lewis.

The man with resting protest face™.
 
posted by Herodios at 2:48 PM on July 25, 2016 [11 favorites]


Hillary is not a values candidate, rallying around Hillary is not about values

Well, let's see.

She's:

Pro gun control
Pro choice
Pro LGBTQ rights
Against discrimination
Supports campaign finance reform
Supports criminal justice reform
Supports immigration reform
Supports unions
Supports expanding veterans benefits and fixing veterans' institutions like the VA
Supports early childhood and K-12 education and debt-free college educations
Supports universal, affordable health care.
Supports paid family and medical leave
Wants to expand rights for disabled Americans
Believes in climate change
Supports clean energy

Those are some of my values, and why I'm voting for her.
posted by zarq at 2:48 PM on July 25, 2016 [125 favorites]


For the past couple of hours, and I guess longer, like all day from watching Twitter, I've been trying to figure out what I've been primarily feeling in the face of the renewed Bernie-or-Bust crowd and their protests and chants. I certainly feel some anger, which I have been trying to keep in check, because what I mostly feel is sadness.

I'm sad because this (and the subsequent days) should be Clinton's time. This is an historic moment, the first woman to be nominated by a major party to run for President! I am so so happy about that. Like choked up, verklempt happy. And I'm so happy that it's Hillary Clinton! I really really like her. I think she does a great job, that she represents the best of America, not least for putting up with such an onslaught of hatred for so many years and being willing to still be right where she is, being right. She is no reluctant choice for me, she is my choice. She was not my choice when Obama ran, but she is my choice now, and I'm thrilled that she is going to be the nominee.

So I'm sad that in the face of this a bunch of people who are, in many way, functionally indistinguishable from members of the GOP in their specific and specious criticisms are being rotten about the whole thing. I'm sad that even in this, nomination for the DEMOCRATIC candidate for President, it seems that women get paid less than men, because how else do you understand the notion that the woman with 3 million more votes is not entitled to the nomination if it means besting a man?

I'm also sad, honestly, that there are people, described in this thread or the last, as young women of color who are involved in Black Lives Matter, who cannot see a difference between Trump and Clinton. I take that at face value, and it says horrible things about where we are as a country.

So, I am scared, because I'm genuinely scared about anything that I think puts Trump closer to the Whitehouse, but mostly I'm really sad. I cannot imagine what it must feel like to be Hillary Clinton listening to people boo you at your own convention.

I'm with her!
posted by OmieWise at 2:49 PM on July 25, 2016 [91 favorites]


i just hope that after all this people and pundits will be able to separate legitimate critiques of neoliberal policy from the unhelpful and rude booing from these dumbasses. because it's not a healthy democracy if there's no room for constructive criticism even from within, and i just have a sinking feeling that folks are going to conflate these two
posted by burgerrr at 2:49 PM on July 25, 2016 [11 favorites]


Saw a NYT headline earlier about how 99% of Sanders supporters now back Clinton, or will.

Something deeply ironic about Sanders having trouble with his own 1%.

In other news, I'm kinda ready to vomit on the first person who tries to defend the bullshit that was just flung at Elijah Cummings right now.
posted by scaryblackdeath at 2:49 PM on July 25, 2016 [8 favorites]


My cousin is a hardcore Bernie person who lives in California, and as of a week ago, many of her FB friends still were convinced that they could get Bernie nominated at the convention, "just like FDR." That's what these people probably think they're doing.

Then this is Bernie's responsibility.
posted by schadenfrau at 2:49 PM on July 25, 2016 [9 favorites]


All things considered, this has gone better than day one in Cleveland. At least, so far.
posted by dw at 2:49 PM on July 25, 2016


Those chanters are like the worst commenters on every web site ever. Hush, the grownups are talking about something else now.
posted by fedward at 2:50 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


I don't know who among Marcia Fudge or Ben Jealous wins in the Awesome Name contest so far.
posted by Salieri at 2:51 PM on July 25, 2016 [9 favorites]


I think the thing for upcoming speakers to notice is that any mention of Hillary's name turns into a "Bernie" chant. So get busy revising speeches to keep them focused on issues and less about her.
posted by dnash at 2:51 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


Bernie needs to haul these people into a room and give them a serious face-to-face. Obviously a text message isn't cutting it, and it was foolish of him to think it would.
posted by rifflesby at 2:51 PM on July 25, 2016 [8 favorites]


i just hope that after all this people and pundits will be able to separate legitimate critiques of neoliberal policy from the unhelpful and rude booing from these dumbasses. because it's not a healthy democracy if there's no room for constructive criticism even from within, and i just have a sinking feeling that folks are going to conflate these two

You just watched that moment pass. Wave goodbye.
posted by bongo_x at 2:51 PM on July 25, 2016 [6 favorites]


You want substantial change. I support a lot of your agenda. Guess how much progress you're going to make by being assholes? Be smart Take over the party and make it support your agenda. That's what the Radical Right did to the Republic party.

The Democratic Party does stand for most of what I believe in. The problem is that we get nowhere unless we are as tough as the intransigent Right. We can't make progress being complacent, and we can't make progress being fractured and bickering.
posted by theora55 at 2:51 PM on July 25, 2016 [8 favorites]


Welp, the chanting morons just prompted this former Bernie supporter to donate to Hillary and buy a bumper sticker.
posted by lovecrafty at 2:52 PM on July 25, 2016 [60 favorites]


Please let them listen to Jealous.
posted by mochapickle at 2:52 PM on July 25, 2016


And yes, every candidate in this election will pass and support it anyway, no matter what they say now.

This is probably true and it pisses me the fuck off. Don't say something (lie) to get my vote and then support and pass TPP later. The only surprise I want is actually sticking to your word by not supporting TPP after elected. Not holding my breath. YES I will vote for her but it's things like this that make it very hard.

Please prove me wrong Hillary!
posted by futz at 2:52 PM on July 25, 2016 [9 favorites]


I just looked in again and immediately regretted it. Beating-heart anxiety present now.

Keith Olbermann to Bernie Sanders: "you'd better fix this or you personally will have set back the progressive cause in this country for years"
posted by Gaz Errant at 2:52 PM on July 25, 2016 [26 favorites]


He's with AFCSME. Some people in the union movement refuse to wear suits.

Like, because suits are what management wears? Huh, never really thought of it, but it makes sense that the dudes running unions don't want to wear the "uniform" of the people on the other side of the table.
posted by sideshow at 2:52 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


Bernie needs to haul these people into a room and give them a serious face-to-face. Obviously a text message isn't cutting it, and it was foolish of him to think it would.

He tried that this morning. They booed him, too.
posted by anastasiav at 2:52 PM on July 25, 2016 [9 favorites]


My cousin is a hardcore Bernie person who lives in California, and as of a week ago, many of her FB friends still were convinced that they could get Bernie nominated at the convention, "just like FDR." That's what these people probably think they're doing.

Then this is Bernie's responsibility.


He already told them no, at his delegate meeting this morning, and the crowd BOOED and chanted back "We want Bernie!"

They chanted that they wanted the guy who was standing directly in front of them, telling them what he thought was best for his party. Because they didn't agree with what he himself had just said.

Explain that circular logic, please, and also how Bernie is supposed to corral this?
posted by chainsofreedom at 2:52 PM on July 25, 2016 [21 favorites]


dnash: I think the thing for upcoming speakers to notice is that any mention of Hillary's name turns into a "Bernie" chant. So get busy revising speeches to keep them focused on issues and less about her.

Ah, the gamergater gambit. Disappear women from discourse because a bunch of bros hate them and we don't want to be 'controversial'.

Fuck that.
posted by tavella at 2:53 PM on July 25, 2016 [87 favorites]


Bernie needs to have an open meeting with protestors right fucking now.
posted by Yowser at 2:54 PM on July 25, 2016 [6 favorites]


Not all those who don't love Hillary are BernieBros or BernieBots or ObamaBoys or BoBs or whatever term we're using this week, guys.

She was about my third choice, for example (or sixth if I count those who didn't run like Warren) but she's still better than Trump and better than bust, and it's not even close, no matter what future scandals or e-mails or investigations come up, because the alternative(s) are so bad. And I think this is a common belief.

It's completely possible to not love her, to think she's a bad or weak or corrupt or whatever candidate, but still vote for her because it's the best choice we have left... and she needs those votes. Don't confuse the hundreds of people acting like jerks at the convention with everyone who doesn't love Clinton.

Weak support is still support, and sometimes it seems like that's being thrown under the bridge.

As for the convention: someone desperately needs to make some jokes, soon. Good ones. It's way too tense in there.
posted by rokusan at 2:55 PM on July 25, 2016 [26 favorites]


Olbermann isn't wrong. I don't know if Sanders needs to come out shouting or give a sad disappointed dad face to the Busters or what but he'd better get the fuck on it.
posted by scaryblackdeath at 2:55 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


Ah, the gamergater gambit. Disappear women from discourse because a bunch of bros hate them and we don't want to be 'controversial'.

Not really what I meant at all. But whatever.
posted by dnash at 2:55 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


This dude is blowing out his throat shouting. Someone tell him he has a microphone.
posted by justsomebodythatyouusedtoknow at 2:56 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


Also, just mentally reviewing every hack I've seen or read about in the last thirty years or so... stealing e-mails from a poorly-protected server and dumping them on WikiLeaks is something annoying hacker kids do, not state actors. It's so amateurish and pointless, compared to what they probably could do.

Firstly it's not pointless if it sows disunity and helps Trump. Secondly both China and Russia have lots of paid hackers and paid trolls who work social media.
posted by sebastienbailard at 2:56 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


Not all those who don't love Hillary are BernieBros or BernieBots or ObamaBoys [?!?] or BoBs or whatever term we're using this week, guys.

Absolutely. Are any of the other people who are lukewarm about Clinton booing at the convention?
posted by OmieWise at 2:56 PM on July 25, 2016 [7 favorites]


Bernie is losing power by the second.
posted by Ironmouth at 2:57 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


Bernie can't just undo with one meeting the months he spent telling his supporters that Clinton and the Democratic Party were incurably corrupt and that the only solution was "revolution."
posted by theodolite at 2:57 PM on July 25, 2016 [31 favorites]


Here it comes.
posted by Talez at 2:57 PM on July 25, 2016


Marcia Fudge may be my new favorite American.
posted by palindromic at 2:57 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


"A motion has been made that you assholes shut the fuck up. Is there a second?"
posted by kirkaracha at 2:58 PM on July 25, 2016 [29 favorites]


Bernie needs to have an open meeting with protestors right fucking now.

It's not going to matter. They were "promised" a contested convention and view the e-mail leaks as proof that the system was rigged against them, though there's no hard proof of that yet.

They're angry at Sanders for backing Clinton when they believe he was her victim. They want him to stand up and fight.

Won't happen, of course, but that's why they can be mad at Sanders and want him at the same time.
posted by rokusan at 2:58 PM on July 25, 2016 [6 favorites]


Explain that circular logic, please, and also how Bernie is supposed to corral this?

I have no idea. They are his supporters. He whipped them into this over a period of months. That he doesn't know what to do about this situation now does nothing to lessen his responsibility for causing it.
posted by schadenfrau at 2:58 PM on July 25, 2016 [13 favorites]


Nice wink for the voice vote 'aye'
posted by janell at 2:58 PM on July 25, 2016


I LOVE YOU, MS FUDGE.
posted by dw at 2:58 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


You just watched that moment pass. Wave goodbye.

see, this is exactly what i'm saying. some idiots booing does NOT de-legitimize actual critiques further down the road. sorry. these aren't the folks that are going to be making those kinds of critiques anyway
posted by burgerrr at 2:58 PM on July 25, 2016 [10 favorites]


How many noses will be cut for face spiting? I can't listen to this.
posted by mrzarquon at 2:58 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


That was a resounding AYE.
posted by JakeEXTREME at 2:58 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


That was a roar of an AYE. That makes me feel better.
posted by yasaman at 2:58 PM on July 25, 2016 [10 favorites]


"All those in favor say 'aye' [WINK]"

[THUNDEROUS, SUSTAINED AYE]
posted by fedward at 2:59 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


Bernie or bust people, I have no idea what you are, but you are not the left.

THANK YOU! Most of the Busters aren't the people who supported Bernie for his political positions. We're already onboard with Clinton at this point. They're the "Anyone But Hillary" crowd and whoever the other candidate running against her was would have attracted the same thing. Could he have done some things differently? Of course. But it's tiring to see concern trolling about "Oh no! Now the left has no future in the Democratic party!" over and over with a slight bit of glee in their words.
posted by downtohisturtles at 2:59 PM on July 25, 2016 [35 favorites]


Yes, the definite AYE that went on and on was definitely a relief. Yay!
posted by Salieri at 2:59 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


The equivalent RNC rules vote was way closer, noise-wise.
posted by sideshow at 2:59 PM on July 25, 2016


Okay, I guess they sometimes can shut up and take a win.
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 2:59 PM on July 25, 2016


They finally figured out that shouting "Hillary" over "Bernie" makes it all sound like "Hillary".
posted by bongo_x at 2:59 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


Take that, GE Smith.
posted by The corpse in the library at 2:59 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


some idiots booing does NOT de-legitimize actual critiques further down the road.

It shouldn't, but it probably will.
posted by straight at 3:00 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


Secondly both China and Russia have lots of paid hackers and paid trolls who work social media.

Right... as does the DNC and Hillary's campaign, and presumably the RNC and Trump's... I must be missing your point. How does this relate to the DNC hack?
posted by rokusan at 3:00 PM on July 25, 2016


see, this is exactly what i'm saying. some idiots booing does NOT de-legitimize actual critiques further down the road.

I didn't say it was right, I said that's what just happened.
posted by bongo_x at 3:00 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Ms. Fudge has the best most expressive eyebrows.
posted by winna at 3:00 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


I am glad the DNC appears to be letting the Bernie people voice their opinions. No one is telling them to shut up. THAT is Democracy.
posted by cooker girl at 3:00 PM on July 25, 2016 [20 favorites]


Does anyone know what the DNC is likely to actually do about this (if anything)?
posted by schadenfrau at 3:01 PM on July 25, 2016


Seems like the defining star-making factor this week will be the ability to withstand/rise above boos. Which doesn't really seem like the #1 reason why someone should become a party leader or candidate for higher office, but whatever.
posted by acidic at 3:01 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


Take that, GE Smith.

Although, based on song choice, GE Smith may have been running his own subversive campaign.
posted by sideshow at 3:01 PM on July 25, 2016 [11 favorites]


I really uh ... hate ... those Love Trumps Hate signs. Because they read both ways, and its driving me crazy.

Love overcomes hate
or, I love Trump's hate

posted by anastasiav at 3:02 PM on July 25, 2016 [13 favorites]


Also if you're on YouTube to watch the LiveStream News feed is the cspan feed.
posted by winna at 3:02 PM on July 25, 2016




I am dreading the state counts when a lot of these people will get the mike. What night is that? I may need to fortify my spirits supply.

This is why people wanted Bernie to concede earlier. It would have given people time to work out some of their 5 stages of grief. This just sucks, no matter how many rational arguments I am using on myself, I have a visceral bad feeling. And I am so angry and sad that the first serious woman candidate is so disrespected in her own party.
posted by madamjujujive at 3:02 PM on July 25, 2016 [28 favorites]


Bernie can't just undo with one meeting the months he spent telling his supporters that Clinton and the Democratic Party were incurably corrupt and that the only solution was "revolution."

Yes and that definitely proved to be a total fantasy. These people have no material cause for their anger! Hey, anybody seen Debbie Wasserman Schultz? She was supposed to be here I thought?
posted by Nomiconic at 3:02 PM on July 25, 2016 [7 favorites]


I like how organized the video displays are. The speaker's name stays on right and center, with a helpful catchphrase for the current speaker like "Rules Committee" or "Putting Families First" is displayed above the podium. It's as if someone thought about the speakers and what they would say as opposed to last week, where assorted real estate developers and avocado farmers were randomly intermingled.
posted by zachlipton at 3:03 PM on July 25, 2016 [7 favorites]


Congressman Brady has the super most Philly accent.
posted by winna at 3:03 PM on July 25, 2016 [6 favorites]


DWS got hounded at the Florida breakfast this morning. Maybe she bowed out?
posted by mochapickle at 3:03 PM on July 25, 2016


Does anyone know what the DNC is likely to actually do about this (if anything)?

The smartest thing to do would be to just let them tucker themselves out and wait to welcome them into the fold, while saying anodyne things like, 'We welcome robust debate in the Democratic Party!'

It is the Democratic Party though, so who knows!
posted by palindromic at 3:04 PM on July 25, 2016 [11 favorites]


Thank God they didn't ruin the POW/MIA moment of silence.
posted by cooker girl at 3:04 PM on July 25, 2016 [12 favorites]


Hasn't Trump tweeted about this yet?
posted by bongo_x at 3:04 PM on July 25, 2016


As for the convention: someone desperately needs to make some jokes, soon. Good ones. It's way too tense in there.

All things considered, this has gone better than day one in Cleveland. At least, so far.
"Relax! Let's have some fun out here! This game's fun, OK? Fun goddamnit. And don't hold the ball so hard, OK? It's an egg. Hold it like an egg. "
-- Crash Davis

“So keep fighting for freedom and justice, beloveds, but don't forget to have fun doin' it. Be outrageous. . . And when you get through celebrating the sheer joy of a good fight, be sure to tell those who come after how much fun it was!
-- Molly Ivins
posted by Herodios at 3:04 PM on July 25, 2016 [7 favorites]


At least they managed to shut up for the moment of silence.
posted by biogeo at 3:04 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


dnash: Not really what I meant at all. But whatever.

It may not be what you meant, but it's sure as hell what you said. That speakers should erase the name of the nominee -- the first woman nominee -- from their speeches because a pack of rabid haters have decided to neg any mention of her. That's exactly the technique the gamergaters use to try to drive women out of public discourse.
posted by tavella at 3:04 PM on July 25, 2016 [29 favorites]


...those Love Trumps Hate signs. Because they read both ways, and its driving me crazy.

Oh, come on. I am sure Trump voters, as a group, are smart enough to understand apostrop---

Um. Never mind.
posted by rokusan at 3:05 PM on July 25, 2016 [7 favorites]


Ok so I just posted this on FB and will repost here for if anyone is considering doing something similar. I'm just pissed off and I felt like I had to say SOMETHING.

I'm sick and tired of feeling like I need to equivocate my support for Hillary Clinton. I'll go ahead and toss one more equivocation out - I voted for Sanders in the primary. I support most of the same values he supports. This Sanders voter is with Hillary Clinton all the way, and if you ever supported him, at least consider listening to the man now when he tells you he has thrown his support behind Clinton.

Look at the platform. It's the most progressive major party platform in decades. Look beyond the decades of petty mud-slinging and Republican nonsense and look at what Clinton says she is going to try to do for this country.

I haven't posted anything this forceful before because, frankly, I figured a bunch of people would come and start fights on my wall about it, and I didn't want to deal with it. But maybe that was the wrong decision.

posted by showbiz_liz at 3:05 PM on July 25, 2016 [58 favorites]


Does anyone know what the DNC is likely to actually do about this (if anything)?

Presumably, they could have security escort the dead-enders out. But, to their credit, they have not done so and likely won't unless the assholes get physical.
posted by tobascodagama at 3:05 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


Especially after all I heard about speakers at the RNC not actually mentioning Trump's name, I am glad to hear so many speakers say Clinton's.
posted by palindromic at 3:06 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


I need someone to photoshop a needle meter that goes from "Love-in" to "shitshow" and then "clusterfuck"
posted by GuyZero at 3:06 PM on July 25, 2016 [6 favorites]


At least they managed to shut up for the moment of silence.

Because it was called for by a straight white man, presumably?

(I'm sure it's because they're reading Twitter actually, but still.)
posted by Lyn Never at 3:06 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


Clinton's campaign has been predicated, in part, on listening. The current booing rump contingent has been demonstrating, anong other things, that they are anti-listening.
posted by Joey Michaels at 3:07 PM on July 25, 2016 [20 favorites]


as opposed to last week, where assorted real estate developers and avocado farmers were randomly intermingled.

Or broadcasted tweets of a white supremacist!
posted by futz at 3:07 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]




The silence when Donald Trump is mentioned, followed by the lusty chaos when Hillary is mentioned, is really terrible.
posted by argybarg at 3:08 PM on July 25, 2016 [7 favorites]


umm, ok, did the speech end or did he just walk away...
posted by Foci for Analysis at 3:08 PM on July 25, 2016


So he's admitting he's a petulant child.
posted by yesster at 3:08 PM on July 25, 2016 [13 favorites]


> @chris_laursen: “Bernie basically fed us a bunch of Mountain Dew and now he wants us to go to bed. It’s not going to happen.”

Wow, literally going with the spoiled brat analogy there.

Hopefully they tucker themselves out soon from jumping up and down on the bed.
posted by mrzarquon at 3:09 PM on July 25, 2016 [38 favorites]


Iowa delegate @chris_laursen: “Bernie basically fed us a bunch of Mountain Dew and now he wants us to go to bed. It’s not going to happen.”

Talk about locus of control issues.
posted by bluecore at 3:09 PM on July 25, 2016 [10 favorites]


Will be very interested to see the breakdown of time spent booing/chanting during speeches by sex, race, etc, of the speaker.
posted by palindromic at 3:10 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Somebody needs to explain that "the boo is an American sign of respect.".

(Well, it is Philadelphia.)
posted by Huffy Puffy at 3:10 PM on July 25, 2016 [7 favorites]


Iowa delegate @chris_laursen: “Bernie basically fed us a bunch of Mountain Dew and now he wants us to go to bed. It’s not going to happen.”

So they're just admitting that they're cranky babies throwing a fit?
posted by lovecrafty at 3:10 PM on July 25, 2016 [11 favorites]


Yay, I just got my Woman Cards!

One for me, even though I'm a cis man.

One for my wife, who is never online.

One for my Aunt who can't afford to donate.

One for my 1.5 year old daughter, because of course!
posted by OmieWise at 3:11 PM on July 25, 2016 [18 favorites]


Nate Silver: Big cheers for adopting party platform. This convention may be a shitshow -- most gatherings of Democrats are -- but not yet a clusterfuck.

As much as this whole thing is raising my blood pressure, I have to agree. This is one of the less-fun parts of a big tent party. The shouting over minorities and women is completely disrespectful, but the people running this show seem to have everything in hand and are handling it with aplomb.

And it seems like people have calmed down a little bit with the booing, which is nice.

oh god i just jinxed it didn't i
posted by Salieri at 3:11 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


Booing Raul?!?
posted by bongo_x at 3:11 PM on July 25, 2016


They seem a bit quieter now. I wonder if the folks on the floor realized just how fucking terrible their chanting over Elijah Cummings looked.
posted by biogeo at 3:11 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


We have moved into the funky guitar lick portion of the evening I see
posted by the uncomplicated soups of my childhood at 3:12 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


The booing just now for Congressman Grijalva when he mentioned Clinton was very noticeable and gross.
posted by winna at 3:12 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


The BoB crew is basically that guy who comes to a boardgame meetup, fixates on one person who they think slighted them, and then does everything they can to make that person lose. They don't care if they personally don't win a damned thing, they just want to take down their target with them.

Except, y'know, in this case their target is the only viable option to keep our country from slipping into outright fascism.

I feel like whatever the outcome, nothing good is going to be written in the history books about a whole lot of the righteously angry from this time period.

(This election is such a fucking crazy thing for me. I am not a Hillary supporter, but holy shit people, anyone working against her at this point is basically working to elect Trump. That is not playing with fire, that is playing with nuclear fucking weapons.)
posted by tocts at 3:12 PM on July 25, 2016 [28 favorites]


Philadelphia booed Santa. Santa.
posted by kirkaracha at 3:13 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


The motion before us is that we pause in the business of the convention so that the crankier delegates in the room can get a much needed nap. All in favor?
posted by chimaera at 3:13 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


I heard the Clinton and Sanders whips were teaming up to quiet things down.
posted by prize bull octorok at 3:13 PM on July 25, 2016 [13 favorites]


Maybe they finally checked their phones and saw the Bernie message.
posted by saturday_morning at 3:13 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


Enh, I can't handle the booing. I'll try again tomorrow.
posted by mochapickle at 3:13 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


The booing just now for Congressman Grijalva when he mentioned Clinton was very noticeable and gross.

Way to show your Leftist credentials.
posted by bongo_x at 3:14 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Read a bit on the scandal (from non-mainstream media sites)

Such as? Serious question. I'm not inclined to trust a site just because it's non-mainstream.
posted by showbiz_liz at 3:14 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


Yes and that definitely proved to be a total fantasy. These people have no material cause for their anger!
Nomiconic

It was, and they don't.

Nothing in the leaked emails confirmed even a single one of the endless paranoid conspiracies of election fraud or media manipulation. They're embarrassing and look bad which is why DWS was forced out, but nothing has validated a single fantasy emanating from the Sanders camp.

Sanders lost because he failed to get more votes than Clinton, plain and simple, and if you have a shred of evidence showing otherwise please share it with us.
posted by Sangermaine at 3:14 PM on July 25, 2016 [24 favorites]


I've noticed any post remotely critiquing the DNC and their role in the Wikileaks scandal is getting deleted, including the article I posted offering a simple layman's explanation. At this point, I'd be surprised if this post wasn't deleted as well.

We've had a lengthy discussion about the DNC and the emails in the last thread over the past few days.
posted by zachlipton at 3:15 PM on July 25, 2016 [10 favorites]


I voted for Bernie without hesitation in the primaries.

But, you know, the more people talk about how bad or corrupt Hillary is, and the more it turns out to be overhyped, petty things, the more I'm convinced she must be the most scrupulous person on the damned planet.

What I can say is that if my emails were searched by the FBI and dumped to a public who would go through them with a fine toothed comb, I could only pray I came out looking half as good.
posted by Zalzidrax at 3:15 PM on July 25, 2016 [57 favorites]


[One comment deleted; as always bring moderation questions to the contact form not on the blue, and in this case check that your link hasn't already been posted in the two giant threads already covering the email thing.]
posted by LobsterMitten (staff) at 3:15 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


They're booing the candidate they support and everyone else. They aren't thinking, they're just angry. The DNC email thing, over which DWS was pushed out, may not be a big thing to you folks in particular but to the people shouting on the floor? It's the latest bullshit thing in a series of bullshit things that they're angry about. And the angry people aren't going to suddenly sit down and think, "Oh gee, was I wrong?"

So maybe brainstorm a way to channel, ablate, or dissipate that anger on the floor because your's and the party's disdain of it hasn't done very much thus far. So maybe something sneaky, or something cathartic to get these pissed off people out of the spotlight but FFS make it something that isn't another fucking own-goal.

And if the reaction on the ground is, like here, "They're spoiled brats, what could go wrong, they'l wear themselves out." then Jesus Tapdancing Christ who is in charge down there?
posted by Slackermagee at 3:17 PM on July 25, 2016 [9 favorites]


Yeah, I think I jinxed it.

What a nice speech from Nita Lowey specifically discussing Hillary and her feminist credentials. I got a shiver at the "sister" President remark.
posted by Salieri at 3:17 PM on July 25, 2016 [7 favorites]


Bernie just apparently sent an email to all his delegates saying that their credibility as a movement is being damaged by booing and other protests. He said that booing is "what the corporate media wants." Hope it works; not optimistic.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 3:18 PM on July 25, 2016 [29 favorites]


I respect that Nita Lowey came out and gave that speech the way she was going to give it, irrespective of the crowd noise - no change in tone, facial expression, pacing.
posted by palindromic at 3:18 PM on July 25, 2016 [8 favorites]


Yes, Lowey is making a lovely speech about the importance of this election for women. It's a pity it's almost hard to hear her.
posted by winna at 3:19 PM on July 25, 2016 [6 favorites]


"You take that, Donald Trump!" LOL.
posted by biogeo at 3:19 PM on July 25, 2016 [6 favorites]


I'm sorry, I had to answer the door and I missed some stuff. There's a group of people on stage now - who are they?
posted by everybody had matching towels at 3:19 PM on July 25, 2016


I think she said "Hillary" about 50 times which was great.
posted by bongo_x at 3:20 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


The group on stage is the NY delegation.
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 3:20 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


Adriano Espaillat on being first formerly undocumented immigrant to reach the US Congress: "Take that, Donald Trump!"
posted by palindromic at 3:20 PM on July 25, 2016 [13 favorites]


"Any democrats in the house?" I had to laugh at that snark from our first Dominican-American congressman, Adriano Espaillat.
posted by winna at 3:20 PM on July 25, 2016 [11 favorites]


I'm sorry, I had to answer the door and I missed some stuff. There's a group of people on stage now - who are they?

The entire New York democratic congressional delegation, and other New York democrats.
posted by fitnr at 3:21 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


New York representatives, AFAIK. This Espaillat guy is awesome.
posted by stolyarova at 3:21 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


And I'll add, the people upthread trying to paint this as "both sides are to blame" are simply wrong.

The Sanders camp spent the entire primary campaign painting their opponents and irredeemably corrupt, and fomented or allowed to foment endless conspiracies decrying every loss as fraudulent. The Clinton camp wasn't all angels, but there simply wasn't an equivalent faction.

The rift on display tonight is entirely, 100% one-sided. Sanders chose to try to harness the mob, and now it's out of his control. He should have clamped down on this months ago, not let it fester.
posted by Sangermaine at 3:21 PM on July 25, 2016 [50 favorites]


Thanks, everyone!
posted by everybody had matching towels at 3:21 PM on July 25, 2016


"Se puede!" There's a good crowd response finally.
posted by biogeo at 3:22 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


Not going to shout about trade deals over the guy speaking Spanish? They missed one there.
posted by bongo_x at 3:22 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


"You take that, Donald Trump!" LOL.

YASSSSSSSSSSSSS
posted by en forme de poire at 3:22 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


Espaillat is giving his speech over again in Spanish!
posted by winna at 3:22 PM on July 25, 2016 [14 favorites]


Photobooth time.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 3:22 PM on July 25, 2016


Nothing in the leaked emails confirmed even a single one of the endless paranoid conspiracies of election fraud or media manipulation.

The CFO of the ostensibly neutral DNC wrote:

“It might may (sic) no difference, but for KY and WVA can we get someone to ask his belief. Does he believe in a God. [...] This could make several points difference with my peeps. My Southern Baptist peeps would draw a big difference between a Jew and an atheist,”

So, like, what does that mean to you, exactly?
posted by Nomiconic at 3:22 PM on July 25, 2016 [10 favorites]




Adriano Espaillat - a previously undocumented Dominican in elected office in NY - that is awesome, he should have gotten a better reaction from the crowd, imo. Well done, sir!
posted by madamjujujive at 3:22 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


So, like, what does that mean to you, exactly?

Nothing. Did they actually do that, or is there just an email bringing it up?

I want evidence that something actually happened. Otherwise it's just people talking.
posted by Sangermaine at 3:23 PM on July 25, 2016 [19 favorites]


[Folks maybe we can separate the streams here, and folks who want to talk about the email leaks can go over here where there's already a discussion on that, whereas people who want to talk about the convention happening now can do that here.]
posted by LobsterMitten (staff) at 3:24 PM on July 25, 2016 [23 favorites]


The guy taking the picture sounds so cute. He's gently scolding everyone for moving.
posted by winna at 3:25 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


I am very sad that a small portion of the left, a small portion of the only group I am confident that I belong to, has, in your country and mine, decided that emotional gratification is more important than implementing policy. It's so fucking embarrassing.
posted by howfar at 3:25 PM on July 25, 2016 [51 favorites]


At least they're not booing Spanish. Yet.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 3:26 PM on July 25, 2016


prompter fail :/
posted by Foci for Analysis at 3:26 PM on July 25, 2016


I follow a pretty fervent Bernie supporter on twitter, a dude who has claimed multiple times that BernieBros are a fiction created by the Clinton campaign. He was tweeting pretty regularly before the convention started but it's been pretty much radio silence since it started.
posted by PenDevil at 3:27 PM on July 25, 2016


The teleprompter has been a bit off all day. Want to bet Trump has something to say about that?
posted by zachlipton at 3:27 PM on July 25, 2016


Current texts from Bernie asking folks to stfu.
posted by mrzarquon at 3:27 PM on July 25, 2016 [7 favorites]


They're cheering lesbianism. Progress.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 3:27 PM on July 25, 2016 [10 favorites]


Fuck yeah Tina Kotek!
posted by OverlappingElvis at 3:27 PM on July 25, 2016


We now have Tina Kotek from Oregon. We have the same glasses! The prompter is still messed up.
posted by winna at 3:28 PM on July 25, 2016


Oh man, Tina Kotek, that's my district rep, and the target of a simultaneously amateurishly-doomed and yet super shitty bit of hyperlocal ratfuckery during the last election here. They say all politics is local but when it's on the sign of the gas station near your house that's really putting a fine point on it.
posted by cortex at 3:28 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


I just realized that a bunch of (presumably) Sanders delegates chanting "No TPP" over Elijah Cummings' heartfelt speech about his sharecropper father and the diversity of the Democratic coalition could be seen as a real-life metaphor for the Sanders campaign's less-than-stellar ability to connect with a certain subset of African-American voters.
posted by mhum at 3:28 PM on July 25, 2016 [21 favorites]


Kotek is pretty great in general.
posted by dersins at 3:28 PM on July 25, 2016


Jesus Christ, another Rattata?!
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 3:29 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


Current texts from Bernie asking folks to stfu.

Yeah that was the text that went out a couple of hours ago before the session started. The noise you're hearing now is from people who ignored that message.
posted by zachlipton at 3:29 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Standing up to bullies? BOOO!
posted by biogeo at 3:29 PM on July 25, 2016


time for a name change: DemocratsThe Monarchy.

dws? I'm betting an Honorary Chairperson collects a fair check.
posted by j_curiouser at 3:30 PM on July 25, 2016


A FOAF on Facebook suggests that the DNC chose civil rights speakers to go on the first day when the Bernie fans would be loud and disruptive, to make the Bernie fans look bad.

I... I'll just scroll away.
posted by The corpse in the library at 3:30 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


I think it is definitely quieting down as time goes on. It was like an extinction burst to kick off the convention.
posted by palindromic at 3:31 PM on July 25, 2016 [8 favorites]


Oh my god I hope so.
posted by Tarumba at 3:31 PM on July 25, 2016 [6 favorites]


A FOAF on Facebook suggests that the DNC chose civil rights speakers to go on the first day when the Bernie fans would be loud and disruptive, to make the Bernie fans look bad.

Whaaaaat?! That's completely ridiculous, clearly it was the Russians who planned that.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 3:32 PM on July 25, 2016 [12 favorites]


That old camera for the official photo was kind of cool!
posted by chapps at 3:32 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


If Bernie doesn't lock this down the left is fucking cooked for another 25 years. Even if Clinton squeaks a win without a Convention bump all the mainstream Dems like me who might be persuaded to swing to another Bernie type candidate will remember is this useless petulant Boo in our faces.

In short. Wow.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 3:32 PM on July 25, 2016 [11 favorites]


I was in the kitchen making (literal) popcorn and missed something. Is the crowd quieter, or did C-SPAN's sound levels changed?
posted by The corpse in the library at 3:32 PM on July 25, 2016


I wonder if the boo'ers are proud of themselves?

Like enthusiastically patting each other on the back saying "we sure showed them didn't we!"
posted by Annika Cicada at 3:33 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


I was going to wait until after Sanders spoke tonight but I took my Bernie sign down earlier today to symbolically stand with his call for unity. And the more of Sanders' positions that Clinton adopts as president (except drone strikes), the happier I will become with this choice.
posted by Radiophonic Oddity at 3:33 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


A FOAF on Facebook suggests that the DNC chose civil rights speakers to go on the first day when the Bernie fans would be loud and disruptive, to make the Bernie fans look bad.

God, if only the team who supports my values was so ingeniously ruthless. Like I fucking wish.
posted by MCMikeNamara at 3:33 PM on July 25, 2016 [13 favorites]


"Democrats don't alienate, isolate, exclude, or demonize." Well...
posted by biogeo at 3:33 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Kevin de Leon from California is speaking movingly right now about progressive policies being linked to success and "this is how democrats govern".
posted by winna at 3:34 PM on July 25, 2016


> Whaaaaat?! That's completely ridiculous, clearly it was the Russians who planned that

OK, I looked again. He didn't name names. I took the DNC as being implied, but maybe it was the Kremlin.
posted by The corpse in the library at 3:34 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Stacey Abrams (GA) speaking now. "The strongest among us did not rise up alone."
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 3:35 PM on July 25, 2016 [7 favorites]


The BoBs probably finally got around to see what Twitter thought of them and are not STFU-ing
posted by sideshow at 3:35 PM on July 25, 2016


Did the RNC have any policy presentations at all? Kind of fascinating to me how much policy has featured at DNC vs. the RNC.
posted by chapps at 3:35 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Was going to pull the same quote, roomthreeseventeen. Great line.
posted by biogeo at 3:36 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


de Leon's closer: "Our economy works better when we all work together. Friends, we're all democrats, and more importantly we're all Americans. I have a message for Donald Trump. (In Spanish, then English) We don't build walls here, we tear them down!"
posted by winna at 3:36 PM on July 25, 2016 [12 favorites]


Regardless of the chaos, it is so amazing to see speakers representing so many of the states. Living in a red state, it's easy to forget that we have our own Democratic leaders here because their voices are so often drowned out. Go Georgia and Texas and all of the rest of us!
posted by Salieri at 3:37 PM on July 25, 2016 [14 favorites]


Abrams: "The Democratic party is the party of civil rights, and human rights, of space flight and moonshots."
posted by biogeo at 3:37 PM on July 25, 2016 [7 favorites]


There was a marked lack of boos at Stacey Abrams' Hillary endorsement.

Is it... is it possible that a night of high-minded rhetoric is changing minds? I have a friend who is a rhetoric professor, and he would be delighted to see such a thing.
posted by palindromic at 3:37 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


Stacey Abrams is a powerful speaker.
posted by winna at 3:38 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


I loved "I have a message for Donald Trump! [SPEAKS SPANISH AT TRUMP]"

(which admittedly my TV didn't display but I'm sure that was an oversight on C-SPAN's part)
posted by The corpse in the library at 3:38 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


I'm interpreting this is as close to a disaster as we can get, the only thing that could make it worse is a protest vote of some kind (even though the RNC walkouts are getting half as much coverage as the DNC booing has drawn). Whenever I hesitate to self identify as a centrist, I'll think of the toddlers screaming on the floor of DNC and draw strength. Anything looks good in comparison to them right now.

I'm following coverage elsewhere and the BoB crowd is largely saying "See, this is what happens when Sanders goes against everything he stands for". What?! He got almost every single thing he wanted into the platform! I'm at a loss - if this is how we lose I will be inconsolable.
posted by the_querulous_night at 3:38 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


Is the booing still going on? I just turned on a stream and don't really hear it but I'm not sure if that's just an issue with the sound my stream is picking up.
posted by Copronymus at 3:38 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Something has changed in the mood of the crowd. "First woman president of the United States" actually got a decent applause.
posted by biogeo at 3:39 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


the booing has pretty much ended
posted by Foci for Analysis at 3:39 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


Sanders chose to try to harness the mob, and now it's out of his control.

Bernie has actually done a pretty great job of locking down his supporters for Clinton. From that link, 85% of them are in the tank for Clinton, compared with only 69% of Clinton's at the same point in '08. The people chanting over speeches are being unreasonable assholes but they are a tiny if vocal minority, and Sanders supporters have on the whole pivoted more completely to supporting Clinton than her supporters did for the Obama campaign.
posted by en forme de poire at 3:40 PM on July 25, 2016 [51 favorites]


I'm hearing weird chanting at intervals but I can't figure out what they're chanting.
posted by winna at 3:40 PM on July 25, 2016


"Meaningful change never happens all at once; you have to fight for it." - Mayor of Philadelphia

Good message. Revolution rarely accomplishes its stated goals.
posted by Superplin at 3:40 PM on July 25, 2016 [9 favorites]


Jim Kenney, the mayor of Philly, is pointing out the history of the Know Nothings and anti-Irish prejudice! History nerds unite!
posted by winna at 3:41 PM on July 25, 2016 [14 favorites]


I really hope that the armchair leftists who support "direct action" and "Occupy _______" or "No Platform for _______!!!" realize that this is what it looks like when those "direct action" and "Occupy" tactics are used against you.

When you say that "We should be able to shout down the bad guys and occupy their halls of power to deny them voice and legitimacy" you don't mind, because the people you're fighting are powerful: monied elites, the patriarchy, whatever.

Yet, if you govern, and if you wish to govern, then you too will be powerful one day. One day, you and your lefty beliefs will be The Man. You should also assume that, eventually, somebody even more angry and even more righteous will do exactly the same thing to you.

I think it's safe to say that we all share -- at least a little bit -- of the blame for this. We all thought it was cool when a bunch of lefty types shouted down The Man, and we went along with it, because we assumed that we would always be the underdog, and that all the cool people would always agree with us.
posted by Tyrant King Porn Dragon at 3:41 PM on July 25, 2016 [16 favorites]


I just heard chants of "Bernie! Bernie! Bernie!" before that video about Trump started to play
posted by schadenfrau at 3:41 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Here's my best attempt at an optimistic reading of this debacle: These are people previously completely disaffected from the Democratic Party. Maybe now if they show up, yell, behave boorishly, wave embarrassing signs — but Hillary wins anyway, and they now identify in some way with the party process, perhaps some of them will begin to see politics as a meaningful venue.

Also, maybe the centrists (I'm one) feel some extra conviction. We piss on the democratic (and Democratic) process so much, maybe we needed to know what we stand for.
posted by argybarg at 3:41 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


Just checked out twitter and it calmed me down. Most people aren't watching this so w/e. Boo away kids.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 3:41 PM on July 25, 2016


Ok the crowd did not know what to do with that Trump clip at all.
posted by zachlipton at 3:41 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


I'm detecting an anti-zipcode motif among the speakers so far.
posted by paper chromatographologist at 3:42 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


kind of a weird move to lionize a soda tax that uses diet-based puritanism to grab a higher proportion of poor people's budgets than rich people's
posted by Greg Nog at 3:42 PM on July 25, 2016 [21 favorites]


The Sanders camp spent the entire primary campaign painting their opponents and irredeemably corrupt... The Clinton camp wasn't all angels, but there simply wasn't an equivalent faction.

Sangermaine, that's untrue and unfair. While there are definitely hardline Sanders supporters who exaggerated Clinton's warts, and there's no denying the annoying rudeness of the contingent on TV right now, there are also parts of the Clinton camp that insulted, denigrated and name-called Sanders supporters relentlessly from the moment he rose as a viable threat. Even here on MeFi, a relative bastion of civility that's usually pretty liberal, the vitriol for Sanders and his supporters is very, very well represented. And that's a left-wing candidate we're bashing.

In a party hurting like this, there's blame enough to share. If infighting is bad, it's bad for everyone who participates in it, right?

Short-term, it'll pass soon, I guess, since we have the least-liked Republican candidate in modern history coming up soon enough to help heal and unify things. But longer-term, it would be nice for everyone to stop infighting, not just "them", and it'd be best if the Democrats did not lose the *left*, don't you think?

Like, we could be better than all this finger-pointery.
posted by rokusan at 3:42 PM on July 25, 2016 [34 favorites]


Wow, that little clip of Trump was hilariously presented.
posted by biogeo at 3:42 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Fucking accelerationists...
posted by acb at 3:42 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


yeah no
posted by MCMikeNamara at 3:42 PM on July 25, 2016


To a certain segment of the Left, ego and ideological purity will always be more cherished than results. I suspect this is because this cohort is already so privileged and insulated from outcomes, that to them elections are sport, rather than survival.

So yeah, fuck those people and their lily white politics. Life is compromise.
posted by mrjohnmuller at 3:42 PM on July 25, 2016 [23 favorites]


Kenney's speech was a callout to the xenophobic shit the irish/polish/italian catholic communities of the city had to face when their ancestors settled here.
posted by cmfletcher at 3:43 PM on July 25, 2016


Regarding whether the boos are getting louder or quieter, I would like to point out that in a weird way, we probably can't know. I was listening to XM Radio on my way home, and even within the one audio feed, there were marked differences between different segments (jumping back and forth between host commentary and listening to speakers) as far as the level of the speakers vs. the audience.

This is not to say there is no booing, or there is only booing; this is just to say that in a way, the level of booing you're hearing is an artistic/editorial decision of whoever is running the feed you're listening to.
posted by tocts at 3:43 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


I really hope that the armchair leftists who support "direct action" and "Occupy _______" or "No Platform for _______!!!" realize that this is what it looks like when those "direct action" and "Occupy" tactics are used against you.

Yeah, and when you said it was okay to hit somebody in self-defense, I bet you didn't realize that somebody might hit you not in self-defense!

Decontextualizing things: basically always results in nonsense.
posted by Pope Guilty at 3:43 PM on July 25, 2016 [18 favorites]


Gov Malloy's speech makes me miss the chanters.
posted by The corpse in the library at 3:43 PM on July 25, 2016


Wow the cspan YouTube feed is really very far behind the live feed. I'm just now through the Trump clip and the very disappointing Bernie chanting.
posted by winna at 3:44 PM on July 25, 2016


The Clinton campaign has always included people with disabilities, broadly defined, as part of its civil rights agenda, and that's really wonderful to see.
posted by zachlipton at 3:44 PM on July 25, 2016 [11 favorites]


The booing is pretty tame on my C-Span feed, too. It's fine for the meeting to be a bit raucus on the first day when Party members are fired up. Better that than everyone sitting quietly and cheering on cue.
posted by notyou at 3:44 PM on July 25, 2016


Is it... is it possible that a night of high-minded rhetoric is changing minds?

Both the Sanders and Clinton campaigns have also been working together to stop the booing so that is also probably a factor. But I'm happy with the rhetoric that's been on display here, for sure.
posted by en forme de poire at 3:44 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


"We must ignore the shouts and taunts of the bullies amongst us."

Bit of a double edge there aimed at both Trump and the booers on the floor.
posted by Justinian at 3:44 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


> if you govern, and if you wish to govern, then you too will be powerful one day. One day, you and your lefty beliefs will be The Man. You should also assume that, eventually, somebody even more angry and even more righteous will do exactly the same thing to you.

Okay for reals though, you say this like it's a bad thing.

This would be wonderful. This would be a utopia. The world we all want to live in is a world where the powerful are always humbled by the weak, no matter who the powerful are.
posted by You Can't Tip a Buick at 3:45 PM on July 25, 2016 [36 favorites]


To a certain segment of the Left, ego and ideological purity will always be more cherished than results. I suspect this is because this cohort is already so privileged and insulated from outcomes, that to them elections are sport, rather than survival.

This is true generally, I think, not just of the Left. I had the displeasure of watching the 2004 election results in a mixed-politics crowd, and it was very, very clear to me that a lot of the Republicans I was watching with were basically cheering for a team, not real political outcomes.
posted by biogeo at 3:45 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


Okay, the Trump thing was funny? Funny-ish?


kind of a weird move to lionize a soda tax that uses diet-based puritanism to grab a higher proportion of poor people's budgets than rich people's


ehhh, okay, this has been a HUGE thing in Philadelphia recently and I'm honestly happy to chat about it on MeMail if, like, you have a dying need to know the ins and outs (and I do not blame you if you don't), but while I was hinky about the diet-based puritanism, in theory the tax will occur at the manufacturer level, and how much that will trickle down to on-shelf pricing is yet to be determined. (I think. I don't want this to be a derail, though...)
posted by kalimac at 3:45 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


Real World/Husker Du

People talk about anarchy
And taking up a fight
Well I'm afraid of things like that
I lock my doors at night
I don't rape, and I don't pillage
Other peoples' lives
I don't practice what you preach
And I won't see through your eyes

You want to change the world
By breaking rules and laws
People don't do things like that
In the real world at all
You're not a cop, or a politician
You're a person too
You can sing any song you want
But you're still the same

I can't think of anything
That makes me more upset
People talk all this rhetoric
Forgive but not forget
I don't rape, and I don't pillage
Other peoples' lives
I don't practice what you preach
And I won't see through your eyes
posted by AJaffe at 3:46 PM on July 25, 2016 [8 favorites]


While there are definitely hardline Sanders supporters who exaggerated Clinton's warts, and there's no denying the annoying rudeness of the contingent on TV right now, there are also parts of the Clinton camp that insulted, denigrated and name-called Sanders supporters relentlessly from the moment he rose as a viable threat.

So, you can point out where Clinton supporters sent death threats to a state party chair and did their level best to get them fired from their day job, right? After all, you said both sides are the same.
posted by NoxAeternum at 3:46 PM on July 25, 2016 [12 favorites]


This is not to say there is no booing, or there is only booing; this is just to say that in a way, the level of booing you're hearing is an artistic/editorial decision of whoever is running the feed you're listening to.

That's true, but also: I can hear the cheering, I could hear the 'Bernie!' chant in the last break. Speakers are not being compelled to stop speaking because of the volume of chants/booing. I think it is genuinely occurring less frequently/loudly. I am watching the feed through the Democratic Convention site.
posted by palindromic at 3:47 PM on July 25, 2016


The 360 feed on YouTube seems to be close to realtime.
posted by biogeo at 3:47 PM on July 25, 2016


As a resident of Connecticut, I'm not excited by this speech.
posted by JakeEXTREME at 3:47 PM on July 25, 2016


To a certain segment of the Left, ego and ideological purity will always be more cherished than results. I suspect this is because this cohort is already so privileged and insulated from outcomes, that to them elections are sport, rather than survival.

Charitably - I think that segment of the Left really does think they can win and usher in their utopia, and that the one and only way to achieve it is through ideological purity. I think those people are wrong as fuck, and I think their privilege plays into their wrongness, in the sense that they don't actually understand the possible consequences.

But I don't think they see it as sport. They're just operating under a completely different reality than I am. I don't know how to reach them, but I do take them at their word that they really believe this stuff.
posted by showbiz_liz at 3:47 PM on July 25, 2016 [7 favorites]



I really hope that the armchair leftists who support "direct action" and "Occupy _______" or "No Platform for _______!!!" realize that this is what it looks like when those "direct action" and "Occupy" tactics are used against you.


See now, that's just silly. It's like saying "don't boycott [evil regime] because what if someone boycotted a good regime!!!!" "Don't block streets for Black Lives Matter because what if the bad guys block a street!!!"

The point is to use a little bit of common sense in deploying big tactics rather than deploying them because you're pissed off and unwilling to think.

For every radical who doesn't like Hillary who is going to hold their nose and vote (yes, hello!), there should be a centrist who takes a moment to distinguish between stupid displays of pseudo-radicalism and the many, many principled acts of militancy that have made real change in this country.
posted by Frowner at 3:47 PM on July 25, 2016 [35 favorites]


Yeah, and when you said it was okay to hit somebody in self-defense, I bet you didn't realize that somebody might hit you not in self-defense!

Decontextualizing things: basically always results in nonsense.
posted by Pope Guilty at 3:43 PM on July 25 [2 favorites +] [!]


Everyone - literally everyone - who has ever lashed out believes themselves to be acting in self-defense, or at least self-interest. Everybody believes in their own right to do whatever they want.

That's why smart pacifists want to outlaw war, rather than just "outlawing war except for noble and righteous war in which the good guys are fighting in self defense" -- because those words are meaningless.
posted by Tyrant King Porn Dragon at 3:47 PM on July 25, 2016 [6 favorites]


In a party hurting like this, there's blame enough to share. If infighting is bad, it's bad for everyone who participates in it, right?

No. Hillary supporters were literally driven into secret groups because of harassment. I was one of them. The Bernie campaign and Bernie himself validated these tactics by frequenting the goddamn subreddit where a lot of it originated; they helped to normalize harassment of women in Democratic politics. Again, Bernie himself validated this bullshit behavior with his response to Nevada.

Do not play that "both sides" bullshit when one campaign had an actual culture of harassment.
posted by schadenfrau at 3:48 PM on July 25, 2016 [63 favorites]


Now they have a thing to properly boo for.
posted by mrzarquon at 3:49 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Ooooh, boos for Pence. I love it.

MORE OF THOSE BOOS.
posted by Salieri at 3:49 PM on July 25, 2016 [6 favorites]


As a nation, we began by declaring that 'all men are created equal.' We now practically read it 'all men are created equal, except negroes.' When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.
-- Abraham Lincoln
posted by kirkaracha at 3:49 PM on July 25, 2016 [25 favorites]


Lincoln confirmed as communist infiltrator.
posted by rokusan at 3:51 PM on July 25, 2016 [9 favorites]


Everyone - literally everyone - who has ever lashed out believes themselves to be acting in self-defense, or at least self-interest. Everybody believes in their own right to do whatever they want.

That's why smart pacifists want to outlaw war, rather than just "outlawing war except for noble and righteous war in which the good guys are fighting in self defense" -- because those words are meaningless.


Fortunately, as somebody who isn't a moral relativist, I believe we can evaluate individual situations instead of relying on half-baked Kantian nonsense.
posted by Pope Guilty at 3:51 PM on July 25, 2016 [10 favorites]


Just dropped down the rabbit hole (859 comments already!) to say -- thank you, Metafilter! You made last week bearable, and I look forward to the fireworks as the DNC unfolds. The comments and the Twitch live broadcast meant that I could keep up without dominating the TV or arguing with family.
Let the games begin.
posted by TrishaU at 3:51 PM on July 25, 2016


First of all, rokusan never said they were the same. Second of all, as the mods repeatedly remind us, it's not helpful to pull in shit that's happening off MeFi to the discussion we're having here. That being said, I could absolutely show you countless examples of threatening language and attempts to get Sanders supporters fired, by vocal Clinton supporters, as well as lots of racism, antisemitism, and other trash. But third of all, that would make this whole thread worse. Is there any reason you'd rather hold onto a fiction that this primary wasn't contentious on both sides than agree with a call to come together? Seems counterproductive to me.
posted by cobra_high_tigers at 3:51 PM on July 25, 2016 [22 favorites]


See now, that's just silly. It's like saying "don't boycott [evil regime] because what if someone boycotted a good regime!!!!" "Don't block streets for Black Lives Matter because what if the bad guys block a street!!!"

what if Occupy, but too much

Lincoln confirmed as communist infiltrator.

You are Harry Turtledove and I claim my $5.
posted by the man of twists and turns at 3:51 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


The Republicans rigged the system and by god we learned a thing or two from them!
posted by the uncomplicated soups of my childhood at 3:52 PM on July 25, 2016


See now, that's just silly. It's like saying "don't boycott [evil regime] because what if someone boycotted a good regime!!!!" "Don't block streets for Black Lives Matter because what if the bad guys block a street!!!"

Actually, it makes tons of sense to carefully consider one's tactics.

The point here is that being on the right side of something does not, in itself, sanctify tactics. I feel like you probably believe - at least to some extent - that the ends justify the means, so long as the "end" is Fully Automated Luxury Communism or whatever. That's your choice.

I'm just pointing out that once you break out the "Direct Action" and (eventually) the molotov cocktails, you are no longer in control of what is happening. You break out the "direct action" in the hopes that it empowers the people, but in reality, you have no idea who it's going to empower.

It might empower somebody you don't want to empower.
posted by Tyrant King Porn Dragon at 3:52 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


Seriously starting to wonder if the Bernie chanters are Republican plants, not actual Dems
posted by Hermione Granger at 3:52 PM on July 25, 2016 [12 favorites]


like okay for reals it's a good thing, always, when the powerful are humbled by the weak, and a bad thing, always, when the weak are humiliated by the powerful.

I maintain a respectful silence about the merits and demerits of Hillary Clinton as a candidate. She has many of both. She is the Democratic Party nominee. Because math and Arrow's Theorum and first past the post, the next president is going to be either the Democratic Party nominee or the Republican Party nominee. I hope Hillary Clinton becomes president.

I also think a raucous convention is a good thing. A democratic process that's not raucous probably isn't democratic, either. We saw in Cleveland what it looks like when a party tries to squelch raucous expressions of dissent. Hopefully in Philadelphia we'll see a party embracing raucous dissent, and maybe even (who knows!) building a space for a genuine loyal opposition to form.

note: "in a basement, wrapped in bubble wrap" is not where you build space for a loyal opposition, at least not if you're interested in it being loyal.
posted by You Can't Tip a Buick at 3:53 PM on July 25, 2016 [29 favorites]


As a resident of Connecticut, I'm not excited by this speech.

Yeah, but we're not exactly known for our excitability, not unless the Dunkin Donuts line is moving too slow.
posted by Kinbote at 3:53 PM on July 25, 2016 [6 favorites]


Seriously starting to wonder if the Bernie chanters are Republican plants, not actual Dems

That's not a helpful line of thinking.
posted by showbiz_liz at 3:53 PM on July 25, 2016 [12 favorites]


Hey, I'm in Michigan, I can definitely say that I have opinions about the importance of electing even problematic Democratic gubernatorial candidates over their seemingly moderate Republican competitors!
posted by palindromic at 3:53 PM on July 25, 2016 [6 favorites]


Here's the website they just advertised to see who is each state's governor and when the next election is.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 3:53 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Seriously starting to wonder if the Bernie chanters are Republican plants, not actual Dems

always these conspiracies...
posted by Foci for Analysis at 3:54 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


> Yeah, but we're not exactly known for our excitability, not unless the Dunkin Donuts line is moving too slow.

Yeah, I mean have you seen i-95?

(We are known for our cunning, wanna buy a nutmeg?)
posted by mrzarquon at 3:55 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


Former Sanders Spox Goes Off On Twitter: 'NO ONE STOLE THIS ELECTION!': "But let me be clear - NO ONE STOLE THIS ELECTION! Team Sanders we did AMAZING WORK. But we lost. It's a hard reality for some."
posted by zachlipton at 3:55 PM on July 25, 2016 [21 favorites]


Leah Daughtry: "You don't have to be just like me, to be just like me."
posted by biogeo at 3:55 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


I'm just pointing out that once you break out the "Direct Action" and (eventually) the molotov cocktails, you are no longer in control of what is happening. You break out the "direct action" in the hopes that it empowers the people, but in reality, you have no idea who it's going to empower.

are you seriously equating some booing with people throwing Molotov cocktails.
posted by winna at 3:55 PM on July 25, 2016 [20 favorites]


posted by Greg Nog kind of a weird move to lionize a soda tax that uses diet-based puritanism to grab a higher proportion of poor people's budgets than rich people's

Boohoo. We tax the shit out of cigarettes and tobacco, too. Don't like the tax? Don't buy that toxic, health-destroying crap.
posted by mattdidthat at 3:55 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


Dude even our B and C list speakers are incredible
posted by schadenfrau at 3:55 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


My brother just texted me that they've bumped Booker from the network telecast so that Sanders can speak to the public at 10p.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 3:55 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Seriously starting to wonder if the Bernie chanters are Republican plants, not actual Dems

This is the same 'false flag' hogwash that the right desperately flogs every time they're caught being exactly as shitty as they actually are. Don't fall in that hole.
posted by FatherDagon at 3:55 PM on July 25, 2016 [14 favorites]


Another former Bernie supporter here. This booing shit disgusts me... I don't even know what to do I'm so mad, things rumbling around my head like LISTEN UP FOLKS I'VE GOT A LITTER OF KITTENS HERE AND I WILL DECLAW EVERYONE OF THEM CLAW BY CLAW UNTIL YOU SHUT UP BLHARRNTOHEUSTNH

ended up donating to Hillary, $27, SAIT.
posted by localhuman at 3:56 PM on July 25, 2016 [18 favorites]


I'm just pointing out that once you break out the "Direct Action" and (eventually) the molotov cocktails, you are no longer in control of what is happening. You break out the "direct action" in the hopes that it empowers the people, but in reality, you have no idea who it's going to empower.

"Direct action" is not a synonym for "break shit and yell at people", no matter how many people with a political analysis that would embarrass a grasshopper use it that way.
posted by Pope Guilty at 3:56 PM on July 25, 2016 [12 favorites]


I am very excited to learn about Unrig The Map
posted by mrzarquon at 3:56 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


"Our founding fathers and mothers..." I'm crying.
posted by dinofuzz at 3:56 PM on July 25, 2016 [8 favorites]


I hope Bernie comes out, gets some real cheers and starts the speech with "Do you think we have a chance of our ideas becoming reality with that ass clown?"

His writers are free to substitute ass clown with any noun of their choice.
posted by cmfletcher at 3:56 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


Boohoo. We tax the shit out of cigarettes and tobacco, too. Don't like the tax? Don't buy that toxic, health-destroying crap.

I don't buy soda, actually! But the low-income parents of the public-school kindergarteners I used to teach in West Philly would frequently buy soda pop for their families.
posted by Greg Nog at 3:57 PM on July 25, 2016 [9 favorites]


Lots of love for Tommy Tutone.
posted by kirkaracha at 3:57 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


"Democrats don't alienate, isolate, exclude, or demonize."
Then again, Bernie did bring new voters to the Democratic Primaries and Caucuses. Who knew that many of the people he'd bring in were just fine with alienating, isolating, excluding and demonizing...
posted by oneswellfoop at 3:58 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Is there any reason you'd rather hold onto a fiction that this primary wasn't contentious on both sides than agree with a call to come together? Seems counterproductive to me.

It's not that we should pretend that this primary wasn't contentious on both sides. Of course it was.

It's that only one side engaged and even encouraged conspiracies and persecution paranoia to the point that there is a significant faction of that side that is absolutely convinced that the election was stolen from them, that every victory of the other side was a result of fraud, and that the other candidate is the living embodiment of corruption. They've whipped themselves into a blind fury, and what we're seeing now is just part of that.

That's why this South Park-ish "both sides were bad" fiction needs to be dispelled. Rather than admitting that maybe they shouldn't have let their people engage in that kind of conspiracy-mongering and frenzy, now it's "Hey guys, let's not play the blame game, we're all at fault."

You want to talk about healing the "rift"? What do we do with all these people who the Sanders campaign has allowed to convince themselves that their loss was really a victory and everything is rigged against them?
posted by Sangermaine at 3:58 PM on July 25, 2016 [15 favorites]


Booo, they bumped Booker? Is he still speaking tonight? Is there an updated schedule anywhere?
posted by yasaman at 3:58 PM on July 25, 2016


~Dance Break~

867-5309
posted by the uncomplicated soups of my childhood at 3:58 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


867-5309? Huh?
posted by biogeo at 3:58 PM on July 25, 2016


Trying to think of a joke about 867-5309 and number of comments but I gotta be honest I'm kinda on fumes at this point already.
posted by cortex at 3:58 PM on July 25, 2016 [8 favorites]


867-5309: gawd that awful crappy fuzz-tone pedal, dude can't you HEAR yourself?
posted by quonsar II: smock fishpants and the temple of foon at 3:58 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


It's very impressive how the speakers are all thematically consistent in speaking to "we are all stronger together".
posted by winna at 3:59 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


I don't buy soda, actually! But the low-income parents of the public-school kindergarteners I used to teach in West Philly would frequently buy soda pop for their families.

Maybe they did that because it was cheaper than water, and now that water is cheaper than soda, they won't. I literally don't know if that is true, but that seems to be the intent, yeah?
posted by (Arsenio) Hall and (Warren) Oates at 3:59 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


Seriously starting to wonder if the Bernie chanters are Republican plants, not actual Dems

That's the path to the dark side. People can disagree with you, even passionately, and even dislike your candidate without being some kind of nefarious plants. Let's not, um, demonize or exclude them.

They're not the devil. They're Democrats who dislike the candidate and believe she cheated and/or was installed before the primary process even began. Right or wrong, they're still lefty Democrats that she could probably use on-side, sooner or later. Even if she doesn't need them this election, the Democrats could definitely use them in the future.
posted by rokusan at 3:59 PM on July 25, 2016 [12 favorites]


Isn't it true that the taxes on cigarettes and alcohol also disproportionately penalize poorer people?
posted by oneswellfoop at 4:00 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


8675309: Number of minutes of sleep the mods are going to need after this election season.
posted by biogeo at 4:00 PM on July 25, 2016 [8 favorites]


867-5309... Now Jenny is a woman candidate we can ALL support...
posted by oneswellfoop at 4:01 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


I'm not a centrist, I'm a leftist. But what this year's displays of petulant, performative radicalism have produced, in me, is a personal conviction that the only way we will achieve our goals is through compromise, stealth and hard-headed pragmatism. And it's people like me who are political campaigners for the long haul, not the next few months. It's people like me, people like many of us here, who will shape progressive politics for the next 30 or 40 years. It seems to me that the best strategy is to ally with moderates, play the long game and work for evolutionary change.

TL;DR, this petulant bullshit has exactly the opposite effect to that intended.
posted by howfar at 4:01 PM on July 25, 2016 [58 favorites]


posted by Greg Nog I don't buy soda, actually! But the low-income parents of the public-school kindergarteners I used to teach in West Philly would frequently buy soda pop for their families.

Now those parents have a financial incentive to buy milk or water instead.
posted by mattdidthat at 4:01 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


Hopefully people are willing to recognize that BoBs do not speak for the Progressive movement and actually seem pretty reactionary tbh.

Still shit like this just reminds me that White Male privilege is a fucking disease. It's treatable, generally not fatal but it's a disease nonetheless.
posted by vuron at 4:01 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


Trying to think of a joke about 867-5309 and number of comments

WE HAVE A GOAL TO MEET NOW, PEOPLE
posted by prize bull octorok at 4:01 PM on July 25, 2016 [8 favorites]


Oh god they almost started playing "Won't back down"
posted by biogeo at 4:01 PM on July 25, 2016


rokusan, fine. I would be all in favor of a rowdy convention with people from both sides clamoring for their issues. But what if, as it seems clear, there is a certain number of people who are there to shut this down?
posted by argybarg at 4:01 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


I can't watch where I am, but I hope the Texas contingent is wearing the mandated cowboy hats. We can't let the RNC Texans outshine us, ya'll.
posted by emjaybee at 4:02 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


I think Podesta meant to say erratic but it definitely sounds like he just called Trump "erotic."
posted by everybody had matching towels at 4:03 PM on July 25, 2016 [7 favorites]


Nice lauding of Sanders by Clinton's campaign manager. Very gracious and sincere.
posted by Superplin at 4:03 PM on July 25, 2016


Isn't it true that the taxes on cigarettes and alcohol also disproportionately penalize poorer people?

It's pretty obvious that if you have less money, you will be affected more by sales tax. On the other hand, in Canada, at least, lower-income families receive sales-tax rebate cheques. So they can buy all the booze, cigs and other luxuries they want without paying extra tax.

I say this as someone who has a monthly booze budget in order to be able to save money.
posted by My Dad at 4:03 PM on July 25, 2016


Now those parents have a financial incentive to buy milk or water instead.

Sweet, sweet paternalism!
posted by Pope Guilty at 4:03 PM on July 25, 2016 [17 favorites]


Soda Buying As Revolutionary Praxis
posted by ethansr at 4:05 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


In the US, "sin taxes" are absolutely crazy regressive and I would hope most liberals and progressives wouldn't support them...
posted by thefoxgod at 4:05 PM on July 25, 2016 [12 favorites]


I'm donating $8.67 and $53.09.
posted by mattdidthat at 4:05 PM on July 25, 2016 [27 favorites]


Still shit like this just reminds me that White Male privilege is a fucking disease. It's treatable, generally not fatal but it's a disease nonetheless.

Oh, it's frequently fatal alright, just not to the carriers.
posted by OmieWise at 4:06 PM on July 25, 2016 [19 favorites]


Still livid about shouting down the black man trying to talk about BLM. I don't think I can take this, even metafiltered. Checking out for now, see y'all next thread.
posted by tobascodagama at 4:06 PM on July 25, 2016 [7 favorites]


The little Trump quote snippets are fun but I'm not sure they're appropriate?
posted by winna at 4:06 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Somebody needs to explain that "the boo is an American sign of respect.".

(Well, it is Philadelphia.)


That's kinda true. Before Philly got a MLS team, soccer fans in Philly would charter busses to DC and NYC to watch the games there and boo both sides.
posted by peeedro at 4:06 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


Isn't it true that the taxes on cigarettes and alcohol also disproportionately penalize poorer people?

But doesn't the consumption of those goods also disproportionately affect poor people as well?

I mean, if this tax could be extended to frappucinos, hand churned gelato, and tiramisu, I would be all for it as well.
posted by FJT at 4:07 PM on July 25, 2016 [7 favorites]


I'm still angry about the treatment of Elijah Cummings by Sanders delegates when he spoke. Ironically, he voted against fast-tracking the TPP, but they blatantly disrespected him as he talked about his family and how black lives matter (they fucking matter! don't you dare talk over him).
posted by ilicet at 4:07 PM on July 25, 2016 [20 favorites]


ehhh, okay, this has been a HUGE thing in Philadelphia recently and I'm honestly happy to chat about it on MeMail if, like, you have a dying need to know the ins and outs (and I do not blame you if you don't), but while I was hinky about the diet-based puritanism, in theory the tax will occur at the manufacturer level, and how much that will trickle down to on-shelf pricing is yet to be determined. (I think. I don't want this to be a derail, though...)

kalimac, go! go! Tell us more! Discussing political policy that affects poor people and public health can't be any more of a derail than a Trump video about how he wants a woman to cook him dinner. Give us more input on this!
posted by Greg Nog at 4:09 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


Still shit like this just reminds me that White Male privilege is a fucking disease. It's treatable, generally not fatal but it's a disease nonetheless.
Oh, it's frequently fatal alright, just not to the carriers.

Well, the Privileged males still do die earlier than females...
posted by oneswellfoop at 4:09 PM on July 25, 2016


Deep breaths everyone. Get in formation.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 4:09 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


Well, argybarg, the only counter-suggestion I'm hearing is to shut those people down. You can see the problem, I hope.

It's sort of the worst of the primary campaign all over again: competing conspiracy theories, insults and various versions of "those people aren't the REAL Democrats/liberals." And of course both camps spinning whatever minor nonsense they hear into a grave misdeed.

Did nobody plan any healing-type moves, here? A few speakers noting a few small ways in which the Sanders campaign moved the platform left would go a long way. It could even lead into some sort of (gasp) cooperation! Insulting an angry crowd is not a good strategy, and couldn't they have seen it coming?
posted by rokusan at 4:09 PM on July 25, 2016 [7 favorites]


Seriously, the smug condescension (and the desire by partisans to expand the assholes' behavior as if it represents everyone) needs to stop. It's everywhere in this thread and MeFi is better than this. I would have thought it'd be out of our system by now.

I agree with all of you about what's going on and the eventual necessary outcome. I'm just tired of being called an asshole for supporting a candidate (and I didn't even end up voting for him in the end!). But you're not helping the whole unity thing. I'm sure it makes some of you feel good about yourselves, but that says more about you than anything else. If you have nothing to add to the discussion beyond "They sure suck! Don't they suck?" just don't say anything.
posted by downtohisturtles at 4:10 PM on July 25, 2016 [22 favorites]


I think Podesta meant to say erratic but it definitely sounds like he just called Trump "erotic."

The mental image caused by what I thought was Podesta referring to Trump as "erotic and divisive" just made me want to crawl under my couch and die.
posted by triggerfinger at 4:10 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


I'm still angry about the treatment of Elijah Cummings by Sanders delegates when he spoke.

Yeah, that was unforgivable. And some of these assholes are still booing.
posted by biogeo at 4:11 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Did nobody plan any healing-type moves, here?

Surely at least somebody there must have a Clefairy or something, right?
posted by thefoxgod at 4:11 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


ah, sweet, they are sisters?!
posted by Foci for Analysis at 4:12 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


I know the restrooms at the convention are officially Gender Neutral, but is there away the "No TPP" chanters can all be directed to the restrooms with No TP?
posted by oneswellfoop at 4:12 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


See now, that's just silly. It's like saying "don't boycott [evil regime] because what if someone boycotted a good regime!!!!" "Don't block streets for Black Lives Matter because what if the bad guys block a street!!!"

I do think there's a difference, though. Many liberal ideas are ones which require a higher level of organization and cooperation than right-wing ideas. To have universal healthcare, you need to convince everyone to participate, and you need a complicated, functioning system. "Pay for yourself and nevermind the poor" doesn't. Likewise, gun control and just policing requires organization whereas "everyone just carries guns everywhere" doesn't. Mass transit, welfare, etc...

If it's possible for any organization (whether a political party or a city) to be paralyzed by a relatively small number of dissenters, it doesn't just advance the cause of the dissenters-- it also advances the cause of those who believe that the organizations themselves are illegitimate, and empowers those who want to tear down organizations entirely, or those who would build organizations that do not respond to criticism at all.
posted by alexei at 4:12 PM on July 25, 2016 [11 favorites]


Really tight shot on the speaker as her sister came in stage left, and I was like IS SHE GONNA GET SPEECHBOMBED
posted by cortex at 4:12 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


Sorry for that THE LEFT IS DOOMED outburst earlier. We may be fine.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 4:12 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


Well, the Privileged males still do die earlier than females...

Front of the line again!
posted by rokusan at 4:12 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


oh, that was a wonderful line just now about the parents sending two daughters to Congress.
posted by acidic at 4:12 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Help. I just got through checking in with some of...well...the only two liberal friends I have in town, and they uh are going third party and the conversation got weird and I'm supposed to go hang out with them Friday night and I think they're Busters and this is so not cool existential crisis help.
posted by sara is disenchanted at 4:12 PM on July 25, 2016 [11 favorites]


Maybe don't take it personally. I actually did vote for Bernie and feel no guilt because the behavior of these assholes is not my responsibility. I mean even Bernie is unhappy with their behavior.
posted by Tarumba at 4:12 PM on July 25, 2016 [17 favorites]


You want to talk about healing the "rift"? What do we do with all these people who the Sanders campaign has allowed to convince themselves that their loss was really a victory and everything is rigged against them?

What did we do with the PUMAs in 2008? I don't know what the party did, but I think most of us laughed them off and let them waste their energy whining irrelevantly as their numbers dwindled and threw our enthusiastic support behind the nominee, right? Let's do that again. They're fucking idiots, and they're also a tiny number of people who get a disproportionate amount of coverage and concern. By all means get Sanders and the people in his operation to tell people that it wasn't rigged, and encourage them to be respectful and support Clinton, as they have been doing. But if that can't stop absolutely every crank on Twitter or at the convention from squealing about some kind of nonsense fantasy, so what? There's a bunch of Republicans crying about how Trump is a secret Clintonite plant, you don't see them losing sleep over it.

There are a lot of people on both sides trying to come together and it doesn't help that process when the people on the winning side are like "No! People on Reddit who like your candidate are saying crazy shit so we can't reconcile yet!"
posted by cobra_high_tigers at 4:13 PM on July 25, 2016 [13 favorites]


So am I. I just don't think people should treat other people like garbage. From any persepective.
posted by downtohisturtles at 4:14 PM on July 25, 2016


People, please. Stop calling names. I am an enthusiastic Hillary supporter. And I think it's okay for Sanders supporters to be upset today. Let them express themselves. It's Democracy. We were totally fine with it when it was the #NeverTrumpers.

Hopefully Sanders will be able to reach them tonight and we can all move on. Together.
posted by cooker girl at 4:14 PM on July 25, 2016 [35 favorites]


I have a "Feel the Bern" magnet on my car but I may plaster a picture of Hillary right in the middle so people can see I've moved on.
posted by Biblio at 4:14 PM on July 25, 2016 [9 favorites]


Go Rep. Sanchez!
posted by persona au gratin at 4:14 PM on July 25, 2016


I wish they weren't doing those little Trump videos. I understand the reasoning behind them, but I saw enough of him at his own convention. The attack ads can wait til after the convention.

The message of being stronger together that comes up throughout these speeches is great, and a wonderful contrast to what was presented last week.
posted by airish at 4:14 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


The PUMAs didn't attempt a heckler's veto of the 2008 DNC.
posted by Pope Guilty at 4:15 PM on July 25, 2016 [11 favorites]


We were totally fine with it when it was the #NeverTrumpers.

Yeah, cause we want the Republicans to lose. It wasn't, like, a universal moral stance.
posted by showbiz_liz at 4:15 PM on July 25, 2016 [41 favorites]


Clark DeLeon, former feature columnist for the Philadelphia Inquirer, once theorized that the Philadelphia Boo was a blending of two facets of Philly culture -- the Quaker upbringing, dedicated to equality and humility, and the blue-collar working class WHO ARE JUST AS GOOD AS THAT MILLION DOLLAR BUM OUT DERE, YA HEAR? It blends itself into some crossed signals -- "Yo, pal, thou knowest what thou speakest of, asshole. So fuck thee."

That said, I am willing to theorize that the DNC, being a 50-state organization open to credentialed guests only, is not as much of a pure Philadelphia crowd as, say, the Iggles stinkin' up the Linc.
posted by delfin at 4:15 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


In the US, "sin taxes" are absolutely crazy regressive and I would hope most liberals and progressives wouldn't support them...

Cigarette taxes seem to have made a significant dent in smoking rates, which almost certainly has saved (and/or will save) a lot of people from unnecessary suffering and premature death. And they were crazy regressive. It's a tough question.
posted by straight at 4:16 PM on July 25, 2016 [11 favorites]


Very inspiring!
posted by persona au gratin at 4:16 PM on July 25, 2016


I have a friend who is swearing he will not vote, and though I have made it a point to tell him that I thought better of him as a citizen, we still mostly talk about comics and music and stuff. Every so often, politics comes up in conversation, as it does, so I shoot him my best side-eye. It is my compromise position.
posted by palindromic at 4:16 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


"Hillary Clinton is badass and ready to lead."
I like this woman.
posted by Superplin at 4:16 PM on July 25, 2016 [10 favorites]


I'm not feeling smug, I'm feeling terrified. In any other year, if be much more sanguine but I'm sorry if I actually literally think the choice here is Clinton or economic collapse and/or nuclear war, it's kinda of coloring this whole experience for me.

(In case I need to show my credentials: I donated to Bernie the day he announced his candidacy and voted for him in the primary.)
posted by soren_lorensen at 4:16 PM on July 25, 2016 [8 favorites]


Mart-eeeeee
posted by waitingtoderail at 4:17 PM on July 25, 2016


Oh hey it's the voice of that guy I hear every time I walk on the travelators telling me how good Boston is when I'm at Boston Logan!
posted by Talez at 4:17 PM on July 25, 2016 [6 favorites]


Mahty Walsh!
posted by dersins at 4:17 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


MAAAHHHHHTY!
posted by cooker girl at 4:17 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


He sounds like a real southie boy. Go Marty.
posted by dis_integration at 4:17 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


Bold. Boston Mayor Marty Walsh starting out with "I'm Marty Walsh and I'm an alcoholic." Talking about hitting rock bottom and how the labor community got him help.
posted by zachlipton at 4:17 PM on July 25, 2016 [7 favorites]


Loved the sisters, but that "That's why we are the envy of the world" stuff belongs on Republican lie-reels.

Ladies, sorry, but we're really not. Not anymore, at least.
posted by rokusan at 4:17 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


Man, this guy is really making clear that about every movie Boston accent is total garbage.
posted by sideshow at 4:18 PM on July 25, 2016 [6 favorites]


rokusan: Did nobody plan any healing-type moves, here? A few speakers noting a few small ways in which the Sanders campaign moved the platform left would go a long way. It could even lead into some sort of (gasp) cooperation! Insulting an angry crowd is not a good strategy, and couldn't they have seen it coming?

I've heard a number of speakers specifically state that Sanders' campaign had made valuable contributions to the party and the platform, including one Sanders delegate who spoke at some length. I'm not sure what more they could do.
posted by Superplin at 4:18 PM on July 25, 2016 [11 favorites]


This isn't "Those people" these are my people. I am a white beardo with a good job who's out here on twitter for full socialism on my twitter account. I'm embarrassed, because this makes me look bad. I regret voting for Bernie. And yes, I want them to be quiet. Because this disruption isn't doing anything positive for the changes I want. So I will continue to pray that they stop disrupting. They can continue to post dank memes and do lit podcasts.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 4:18 PM on July 25, 2016 [20 favorites]


I wish they weren't doing those little Trump videos.

Agreed! I honestly think it would be best for them to awknowledge the orange menace as little as possible. Keep the message positive and progressive, rather than climing down into the mud to pigwrestle.
posted by mrjohnmuller at 4:18 PM on July 25, 2016


"I'm Marty Walsh and I'm an alcoholic."

God damn, that took guts.
posted by mattdidthat at 4:18 PM on July 25, 2016 [12 favorites]


This guy's Boston accent has a Boston accent. I love it.

I'm getting a kick out of all the regional accents, in fact. (Insert soppy "yay America!" comment here.)
posted by Salieri at 4:18 PM on July 25, 2016 [13 favorites]


I seriously think Marty Walsh might be persuasive to some of my persistent Sanders-supporting friends. They know from blue collar labor.
posted by palindromic at 4:18 PM on July 25, 2016 [7 favorites]


I just got an EBS flash flood warning in my area. I'm 2 miles upriver from the convention.
posted by cmfletcher at 4:19 PM on July 25, 2016


I actually literally think the choice here is Clinton or economic collapse and/or nuclear war

I'm close to that, but I think the choice this election might better be described as between nuclear and expanded conventional war. (We're getting another collapse either way.)
posted by rokusan at 4:19 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


I freaking love his accent.
posted by Tarumba at 4:20 PM on July 25, 2016


I hope the Bahstahn accent never goes extinct. I love it.
posted by biogeo at 4:20 PM on July 25, 2016


"...and i am an alcoholic"

that's one helluva opening
posted by Foci for Analysis at 4:20 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


Boston airport voice has a face!
posted by rokusan at 4:20 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


My thing with soda tax is that at somepoint you have to make sure impoverished Americans are getting enough calories. Yeah, there are many of us who do have way more and it doesn't take much income to get way more calories than you need but when the 2 liter bottle of pop is helping a kid meet target weight abs making up for the lack of calories from other sources we have a problem. And it's a problem that should be answered by tax free food, but America is just not there is many places.
posted by AlexiaSky at 4:20 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


It was never polled that I can find, but I think the votes for Bernie were divided between people who actually LIKED Bernie and those who HATED Hillary but had nobody else to vote for. No idea the relative numbers, but I'll bet many of the Hillary Haters are NOT very leftist or in any way politically aligned with Bernie, and many of them are so single-issued on "Economic Justice" that Donald's bigotry goes straight over their heads... (The big banks hate Donald! Yes, because he's such a crook they can't trust him. But I digress.)

The Burners, Busters and Booers are obviously mostly from that part of Sanders' supporters.
posted by oneswellfoop at 4:20 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


Yeah, cause we want the Republicans to lose. It wasn't, like, a universal moral stance.

A thousand times this. Liberal democracy involves the belief that all views are permitted, not that they're all equivalent.
posted by howfar at 4:21 PM on July 25, 2016 [7 favorites]


That was a solid fuckin' pitch by Walsh.

Next up: Lee Saunders interrupts the intro and gets right down to it.
posted by cortex at 4:21 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


Yay Labor!
posted by biogeo at 4:21 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


I've been doing lots of silent 'yay Americas' too over here.
posted by persona au gratin at 4:21 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


Oh God, Marty. The guy who just gave city-owned Long Island, the homeless shelter and farm, to a for-profit corporation to develop.
posted by Melismata at 4:21 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


"I'm Marty Walsh and I'm an alcoholic." God damn, that took guts.

It's a common theme for him: "I don’t really care who knows I’m an alcoholic, because if it helps somebody else knowing that I’m an alcoholic, then they’ll ask me for help if they need it,"
posted by zachlipton at 4:22 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


It's pretty clear that the speakers, or the organizers at least, were aware that there was going to be a divisive element at the convention, and they have been prepared to mostly be on point with the unity message.
It's early yet in the convention, the protesters are testing their legs, and the organizers will get a gauge for how firmly they have to shut it down. I think it's fine to acknowledge that there are many voices in the party, even loud obnoxious ones, and wait for the momentum build as the days go on.
posted by OHenryPacey at 4:22 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


I hope the Bahstahn accent never goes extinct. I love it.

My love of every other regional accent helped me stop worrying and learn to love the Northern Cities Vowel Shift.

/Michigander
posted by palindromic at 4:22 PM on July 25, 2016 [6 favorites]


This kind sounds a bit like Lewis Black.
posted by (Arsenio) Hall and (Warren) Oates at 4:22 PM on July 25, 2016


Shout out to Marty Walsh he's a good shit
posted by Potomac Avenue at 4:23 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


DAAAAAYUM! "You keep saying you like making deals, Donald! How about making a deal with the housekeepers in your hotels" (paraphrase)
posted by biogeo at 4:23 PM on July 25, 2016 [6 favorites]


AFSCME guy is on fire.
posted by dersins at 4:23 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


palindromic I don't know your friends, but it's hard not to note that Marty Walsh is not just a man, but a particular type of manly man. I mean. It's just really hard not to notice that.

I'm just so disheartened. Because this is what it's going to be like the whole time, isn't it? People who hate her, who are furious -- they'll always find some scandal, some thing to latch onto to give their hatred shape. But it will persist, even as scandal after scandal is debunked, even after she continues to move this country left. It will always persist, because it doesn't come from a place of reality.

They just fucking hate her.
posted by schadenfrau at 4:23 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


If the DNC hadn't cheated, these people wouldn't be here booing like this.
posted by polymodus at 4:23 PM on July 25, 2016 [8 favorites]


"This isn't reality television... this is reality!"
posted by Rykey at 4:24 PM on July 25, 2016


And it's a problem that should be answered by tax free food

Yeah, if the problem is you want people eating healthier, make healthy food cheap or free, don't punish people for their choices.

Doubly so for cigarettes --- fund things that help people quit if they want, etc. But punishing those who fail to quit one of the most addictive drugs is not helping them.
posted by thefoxgod at 4:24 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


For some reason, I now want all of these guys to introduce themselves with "...and I'm an alcoholic."

Yes I am a bad person.
posted by rokusan at 4:24 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


I didn't know Ditka was head of the AFL/CIO
posted by dersins at 4:24 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


Daaaam, Lee Saunders! Would've dropped that mic so hard if it wasn't on a stand.
posted by lovecrafty at 4:24 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


AFL-CIO president is showing how to put forth the 'No TPP' argument at the convention.
posted by palindromic at 4:24 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


AFLCIO guy pulls a Bentsen. "I know tough guys, I worked with tough guys..."
posted by cortex at 4:24 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


(We're getting another collapse either way.)

But the Hillary collapse is much much slower and more potentially reversible (you WILL have to get anti-collapsitarian majorities in Congress).
posted by oneswellfoop at 4:24 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Dis guy looks like Ditka
posted by OHenryPacey at 4:25 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


AFL-CIO rep: "Donald says he's a tough guy. Well, I worked in the mines with tough guys. And Donald, you're no tough guy."
posted by biogeo at 4:25 PM on July 25, 2016 [34 favorites]



Lincoln confirmed as communist infiltrator.

We've been trying to get a mole into that organization for a long time.
 
posted by Herodios at 4:25 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


If the DNC hadn't cheated, these people wouldn't be here booing like this.

We'd just be hearing about superdelegates or some shit instead.
posted by sideshow at 4:25 PM on July 25, 2016 [15 favorites]


The Burners, Busters and Booers are obviously mostly from that part of Sanders' supporters.

The part that you just admitted that you have no evidence for? Can we please just stop making shit up?
posted by futz at 4:26 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


(you WILL have to get anti-collapsitarian majorities in Congress)

Right click, add to future sockpuppet name list.
posted by rokusan at 4:26 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


He called Trump a phony!!
posted by Tarumba at 4:26 PM on July 25, 2016


Huh. I'm watching the DNC feed, and I'm not hearing a lot of boos. Some, but not overwhelming. Maybe they're fiddling with the recording somehow?

Anyway, if this is the level of protest, I can live with it.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 4:26 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


Goddamnit Democrats, talk about Clinton, not the competition.
posted by mattdidthat at 4:26 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


Fuck yeah, NEA!
posted by cmfletcher at 4:26 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


What deal did Lily Eskelsen García do with the devil to look that good at 61? She's near Christie Brinkley status.
posted by Talez at 4:27 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


Boos seem to have slacked way back compared to the first couple hours, which were more of a conspicuous shitshow on that front.
posted by cortex at 4:27 PM on July 25, 2016


Trumka just said Clinton opposes TPP.
posted by winna at 4:27 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Huh. I'm watching the DNC feed, and I'm not hearing a lot of boos. Some, but not overwhelming. Maybe they're fiddling with the recording somehow?

The Hillary and Bernie whips have been working together to get the delegates back in line.
posted by Talez at 4:27 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


Huh. I'm watching the DNC feed, and I'm not hearing a lot of boos. Some, but not overwhelming. Maybe they're fiddling with the recording somehow?

Current boo level and general assholary is about 1% of what it was the first 60 mins.
posted by sideshow at 4:28 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


She's 61?!
posted by stolyarova at 4:28 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


note: "in a basement, wrapped in bubble wrap" is not where you build space for a loyal opposition, at least not if you're interested in it being loyal.

Oh, I couldn't agree more. I am, as I said, against that sort of thing. And democracy (and the Dems) can cope with a few arseholes. An expression of frustration and steam-blowing-off, not a call to action.
posted by Devonian at 4:28 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


She's really good
posted by birdheist at 4:28 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Latinamerican skin, Talez!

Also probably sun block.

Wear sun block people!
posted by Tarumba at 4:28 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


When the Union's inspiration through the worker's blood shall run,
there will be no power greater anywhere beneath the sun
For what force on Earth is weaker than the lonely strength of one?
But the Union makes us strong!

Solidarity forever!
Solidarity forever!
Solidarity forever!
The Union makes us strong!
posted by biogeo at 4:28 PM on July 25, 2016 [16 favorites]


[One deleted. For real, let's not re-litigate the whole primary season in here. polymodus, cool it.]
posted by LobsterMitten (staff) at 4:28 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Woo, SEIU!
posted by mrzarquon at 4:28 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


Can I just say how nice it is that so many of the speakers are using Spanish as an integral part of their speeches?
posted by winna at 4:29 PM on July 25, 2016 [22 favorites]


Huh. I'm watching the DNC feed, and I'm not hearing a lot of boos. Some, but not overwhelming. Maybe they're fiddling with the recording somehow?

It's gotten a heck of a lot better over the past hour or so. There's been talk that people have been working the floor to get it to stop, but whatever happened, it's working.
posted by zachlipton at 4:29 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


I'm an AFL-CIO dues-paying member, my sister is dues-paying union nurse, and my dad is a proud manager of a union shop. These union speakers are making me so damn proud.
posted by palindromic at 4:30 PM on July 25, 2016 [26 favorites]


Amen, winna!
posted by persona au gratin at 4:30 PM on July 25, 2016


Well, that's good, because I imagine that a lot more people are watching now than were watching during the work day, and I'm ok with people seeing what I'm seeing now.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 4:31 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Motherfucking solidarity. I'm feeling it, union speakers.
posted by yasaman at 4:31 PM on July 25, 2016 [8 favorites]


The one thing the Convention needs to feature is a group of real people The Donald has cheated out of money (there are thousands of them, and he hasn't made ALL of them sign Non-Disclosure Agreements) briefly telling their stories. And in Prime Time.
posted by oneswellfoop at 4:31 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Did the republic convention have this many blue collar representatives?
posted by Foci for Analysis at 4:32 PM on July 25, 2016


Glenn Beck is on the stage posing as a union leader? Does he have a secret double life?
posted by Talez at 4:32 PM on July 25, 2016


That lady knows how to start a chant. <3
posted by Tarumba at 4:32 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


I want a corn hat.
posted by jamaro at 4:32 PM on July 25, 2016


I believe that we can win!
That's what I'm talking about.
posted by Superplin at 4:32 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


Love the union people! "I believe that we can win!"
posted by madamjujujive at 4:32 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


She's 61?!

new PR strategy: Voting Dem Keeps Your Skin Really Good
posted by Greg Nog at 4:32 PM on July 25, 2016 [7 favorites]


Trumka just said Clinton opposes TPP.

Did she put little finger-quotes around "opposes?"
posted by rokusan at 4:33 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


damn, lady knows how to give a speech
posted by Foci for Analysis at 4:33 PM on July 25, 2016


Man union leaders are so charismatic, I love them. How can you be so energetic and cheerful when your message is so potentially depressing?
posted by Tarumba at 4:35 PM on July 25, 2016 [7 favorites]


You've got a mic, you don't have to yell everything.
posted by fedward at 4:35 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Protip to Randi Weingarten: You don't need to yell. The microphone does that for you.
posted by mattdidthat at 4:35 PM on July 25, 2016


The camera is weirdly close to the teleprompter on NBC, so it looks like everyone's bad at looking down the camera. Disconcerting.
posted by lauranesson at 4:35 PM on July 25, 2016


Where's the returns Donald.
posted by ThreeCatsBob at 4:35 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


In one of the camera pans, I saw a group of berniers with tape over their mouths. I can get behind that kind of protest ;-)
posted by madamjujujive at 4:35 PM on July 25, 2016 [7 favorites]


YOU HAVE A MICROPHONE
posted by The corpse in the library at 4:35 PM on July 25, 2016


Did the republic convention have this many blue collar representatives?

ftfy
posted by murphy slaw at 4:36 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


This is definitely the teacher unions representative.
posted by mrzarquon at 4:36 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


These union people are awesome. It's a tight, disciplined message that's strongly pro-Clinton and anti-Trump from the workers of America. Plus, a mention of Trump University from the AFT lady! Eeeee!

(Also I don't know how many favorites I have left but I fear it's not enough to get me through the rest of the day.)
posted by Salieri at 4:36 PM on July 25, 2016 [11 favorites]


Twitch chat and metafilter just synced up with regard to yelling.
posted by ethansr at 4:36 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Protip to Randi Weingarten: You don't need to yell. The microphone does that for you.

She's just all fired up!
posted by dis_integration at 4:36 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


Damn, Labor nailed it.
posted by biogeo at 4:36 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


Maybe it's the third beer talking - in fact, I'm pretty sure it is - but I'm kind of like "YELL IT, GIRL! WOOOO!"
posted by palindromic at 4:37 PM on July 25, 2016 [16 favorites]


Yeah, there's yelling because you can't hear yourself in the monitor, but there's also yelling because your delivery is yelling. That was definitely rhetorical hollerin'.
posted by cortex at 4:37 PM on July 25, 2016 [15 favorites]


Twitch chat and metafilter just synced up with regard to yelling.

WutFace MIC MUTED! WutFace
posted by Talez at 4:38 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


HELL YES to the "Fathas Brothas Mothas" heroin epidemic guy for getting a wicked strong NH accent up ins
posted by Greg Nog at 4:38 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


The politics of sin taxes are too complicated to talk about in absolutes. It's a shitty way to raise revenue, but it's often a last resort when other sources of revenue are totally ruled out by political circumstances. There are probably cases where liberals are too eager to use sin taxes to avoid having to raise other more progressive taxes that affect people with more political power, but there are also many cases where there's no appetite for higher taxes, but people still want the programs. Something's got to give there, and sometimes policymakers try to square that circle in problematic ways. In conclusion, sin taxes are a etc.
posted by tonycpsu at 4:38 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


You've got a mic, you don't have to yell everything.

I'm paraphrasing my mother but if you'd shut up and listen I'll stop raising my voice.
posted by cmfletcher at 4:38 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


Holy crap. Talking about drug addiction as a medical condition.
posted by mrzarquon at 4:38 PM on July 25, 2016 [21 favorites]


Nice listening tour video.
posted by kirkaracha at 4:39 PM on July 25, 2016


It is so important for schools to focus more on creativity and less on testing and I do not believe that Hillary Clinton can actually achieve it but I am really glad that Randi Weingarten said it. (I like Obama a lot but I think that Common Core is a mistake.)
posted by Jeanne at 4:39 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


Shit something in my eye again
posted by Tarumba at 4:39 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Talking about drug addiction as a medical condition.

Holy crap, this is amazing to have featured as a major point in the DNC. What an incredible message.
posted by biogeo at 4:40 PM on July 25, 2016 [17 favorites]


I'm paraphrasing my mother but if you'd shut up and listen I'll stop raising my voice.

I haven't said anything in at least five minutes, mom.
posted by fedward at 4:40 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Yeah, I am stunned with this whole piece on addiction. I'm a little bit happy-crying, which is a nice alternative to my eyes bulging out of my head earlier.
posted by Lyn Never at 4:42 PM on July 25, 2016 [6 favorites]


Uhhh, "Sell out"? That was a weird choice for walk-on music.
posted by sideshow at 4:42 PM on July 25, 2016


Was that... "The Impression that I Get" by the Mighty Mighty Bosstones?
posted by palindromic at 4:42 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


I'm 51 and have graying hair and a four-year-old but she's my child, not my grandchild.
posted by kirkaracha at 4:42 PM on July 25, 2016


Just started listening to the livestream, did everyone else get a ska-tastic intro or just Jeanne Shaheen?
posted by JauntyFedora at 4:42 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Was that... "The Impression that I Get" by the Mighty Mighty Bosstones?

Yes.
posted by kirkaracha at 4:43 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


Talking about drug addiction as a medical condition.

I understand why inspirational speeches do not directly lead to actionable policy because that's American democracy, but as a "fantasy world" they make me remember why I support this party over all the others. The convention is the ideal you want to see.

The idea that there's so many people who saw last week's convention as the same is fucking terrifying.
posted by MCMikeNamara at 4:43 PM on July 25, 2016 [14 favorites]


What did Jeanne Shaheen do to the music programmer to get introduced by Sell Out?
posted by Copronymus at 4:43 PM on July 25, 2016


OK I'm hearing Sell Out over The Impression That I Get from my other sources and I need somebody to conclusively resolve this plz
posted by prize bull octorok at 4:45 PM on July 25, 2016


Fashion items that must be outlawed immediately:
1: Cell phones worn on belts
2: Belts worn with suspenders
3: Flag pins
posted by mattdidthat at 4:46 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


i had to do some actual work and when I came back here it says 564 new comments, show

i do not know if i dare to click 'show'
posted by tivalasvegas at 4:46 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


Belts worn with suspenders

Sometimes it's the only way to be sure!
posted by LobsterMitten at 4:46 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


The Impression That I Get would certainly be a lot more apropos than Sell Out:
Have you ever been close to tragedy
Or been close to folks who have?
Have you ever felt a pain so powerful
So heavy you collapse? No?
Well I've never had to knock on wood
But I know someone who has
Which makes me wonder if I could
posted by en forme de poire at 4:47 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


It was only like 5 seconds and it's been 10 years since I listened to both songs all the way through, but I'm pretty sure that was Reel Big Fish
posted by Copronymus at 4:47 PM on July 25, 2016


1: Cell phones worn on belts
2: Belts worn with suspenders


Well with these new phablets you need a little extra support when you've got one on your belt, hence the suspenders.
posted by dis_integration at 4:47 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


too late you posted they already loaded now you have to read them all
posted by biogeo at 4:47 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


The DNC is now cool for the summer.
posted by Talez at 4:47 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Was that... "The Impression that I Get" by the Mighty Mighty Bosstones?

Doh, guess my "first 3-4 bars of popular Ska songs" knowledge ain't what it used to be.
posted by sideshow at 4:47 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


The Impression That I Get would certainly be a lot more apropos than Sell Out:

And it reminds us how good ska was in 1997 and how good the country was.
posted by Talez at 4:48 PM on July 25, 2016 [7 favorites]


Now a speaker talking about destigmatization of and resources for treating mental illness.
posted by cortex at 4:48 PM on July 25, 2016 [11 favorites]


So Philadelphia apparently recently decriminalized disorderly conduct specifically for the convention, so that protesters are getting ticketed rather than arrested. This seems really smart, but it does lead to the question of why they ever made disorderly conduct a crime in the first place.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 4:48 PM on July 25, 2016 [6 favorites]


Following addiction coverage with mental illness coverage? Thank you, DNC. This is beautiful.
posted by Gaz Errant at 4:48 PM on July 25, 2016 [11 favorites]


ok demi lovato on her mental health issue == win
posted by Foci for Analysis at 4:48 PM on July 25, 2016 [12 favorites]


Mental health care as a central message?! Holy shit.
posted by biogeo at 4:48 PM on July 25, 2016 [6 favorites]


Holy shit, mental health too. I'm in actual tears now.
posted by Lyn Never at 4:48 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


i do not know if i dare to click 'show'

*skims*

oh good nothing much really happened
posted by tivalasvegas at 4:48 PM on July 25, 2016


but it does lead to the question of why they ever made disorderly conduct a crime in the first place.

Racism?
posted by dis_integration at 4:49 PM on July 25, 2016 [6 favorites]


Rubbing actual celebrities in Trump's face. Hilarious.
posted by rokusan at 4:49 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


I knew Demi Lovato was going to be there, but I wasn't expecting this: an acknowledgement that she was fortunate enough to have access to top-notch mental healthcare and a plea to ensure it is available to everyone. That's good stuff.
posted by zachlipton at 4:49 PM on July 25, 2016 [24 favorites]


Mental illness advocate!

Wow. I'm feeling SO much better about this convention now. Man. Labor, education, addiction, mental health... Good reminders of why I put myself through this torture. These things are worth it.
posted by Superplin at 4:49 PM on July 25, 2016 [10 favorites]


Impromptu concert. OK.
posted by Talez at 4:49 PM on July 25, 2016


Damn Demi Lovato really turns the sultry on like a switch, doesn't she. Did not expect that.
posted by dis_integration at 4:49 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


Wow. They're actually talking about real issues that people have.
posted by octothorpe at 4:49 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


The Impression That I Get would certainly be a lot more apropos than Sell Out:

I would award the DNC one billion PBO-points if they'd play Let's Face It
posted by prize bull octorok at 4:49 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


> This seems really smart, but it does lead to the question of why they ever made disorderly conduct a crime in the first place.

This is Philadelphia we are talking about.
posted by mrzarquon at 4:49 PM on July 25, 2016


The fact that there are still people chanting "Bernie" every time someone calls for Clinton's election after another incredibly powerful speech is starting to sound kind of pathetic.
posted by biogeo at 4:50 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


Well this is sort of whiplash inducing. Demi Lovato speaking movingly on the importance of mental health care and now she's performing??? what a time to be alive
posted by yasaman at 4:50 PM on July 25, 2016 [8 favorites]


Still a lot of recurring BERNIE! BERNIE! chants at lulls at the tail ends of speeches, though not at the same volume as the earlier stuff.
posted by cortex at 4:50 PM on July 25, 2016


I feel pretty strongly it was 'The Impression that I Get' based on New England proximity and weirdness of picking 'Sell-Out.'
posted by palindromic at 4:50 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


I think I just developed a crush on Demi Lovato? What?
posted by schadenfrau at 4:50 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


I know I've been poking fun at the musical breaks but this Demi Lovato bit is the way to do it, especially with the important mental health message.
posted by the uncomplicated soups of my childhood at 4:51 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


First Marty Walsh announces he's an alcoholic, now Demi Lovato announces she has mental health issues and then busts out Confident. Demi Lovato, I love you.
posted by mattdidthat at 4:51 PM on July 25, 2016 [8 favorites]


Thank God I didn't turn away before the Demi Lovato performance. (I'm serious.)

She's the real deal when it comes to working on mental health issues, and I'm really glad somebody organizing this thing made that choice.
posted by MCMikeNamara at 4:51 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


Rubbing actual celebrities in Trump's face. Hilarious.

Now see here. Scott Baio has been on CNN on at least three occasions defending his shitty tweets. A pseduo-celebrity would only get one Larry King appearance.
posted by Talez at 4:51 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


But they had an extra from Happy Days, rokusan how can you say this is better?
posted by Tarumba at 4:51 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


"What's wrong with being confident?"

great song choice.
posted by mrzarquon at 4:51 PM on July 25, 2016 [8 favorites]


Please turn this into a policy position on mental health and addiction. Own the m@#fking national discussion!
posted by cmfletcher at 4:51 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


Wait, I retract my earlier statement. I just listened to both songs, and that was definitely Sell Out. It was the part right after the 8 bar intro.
posted by sideshow at 4:51 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Nothing can unite us quite like coming together and, regardless of race or age, dancing like total fucking dorks.
posted by Salieri at 4:51 PM on July 25, 2016


> I think I just developed a crush on Demi Lovato? What

The DNC made me GAY
posted by The corpse in the library at 4:52 PM on July 25, 2016 [13 favorites]


I didn't even remember his name haha, Scott Baio, that's who I was talking about.
posted by Tarumba at 4:52 PM on July 25, 2016


CLIMATE CHANGE!!

God, I LOVE this party.
posted by cooker girl at 4:53 PM on July 25, 2016 [10 favorites]


I am so not tuned into pop music so I don't even really know who Demi Lovato is, but I'm a fan now.
posted by biogeo at 4:53 PM on July 25, 2016


Hello, I voted for Bernie in the primary, was a pledged delegate for him at the county level and will be voting for Hillary in the fall. For people who are wondering how he's managing communications, I'd like to share something his campaign sent out today. This is a small excerpt, but his message was one that thanked his supporters while also explaining the case for supporting Hillary and the Democratic party in the election.
Because of our tireless work the Democratic Party has just passed the most progressive platform, by far, in the history of the party. Secretary Clinton now says that she will oppose the disastrous Trans Pacific Partnership trade deal. She has also embraced parts of our plan to make college tuition free – and if her new plan passes, it could revolutionize the way higher education is funded in our country. Secretary Clinton has also embraced the public option for health insurance, and now supports significantly increased funding for community health centers. She adopted these positions because of you and your organizing.

It is critically important that we do not let up in our fight for a political revolution. Tonight at the Democratic National Convention I will address the future of Our Revolution, and I hope you will both tune in to watch, and join our effort after.
There's a lot of "I/you" in his email, but it's clear that he's pivoting his support in a material way to Clinton, and finding the rhetorical means to let his most ideological supporters to get comfortable with making the same pivot.
posted by boo_radley at 4:53 PM on July 25, 2016 [44 favorites]


That was superb
posted by persona au gratin at 4:53 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


The DNC made me GAY

Oh no I was waaaaaaay gay before this, but I try to be more age appropriate

(Oh God please tell me she's at least in her twenties)
posted by schadenfrau at 4:54 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


Oregon represent!
posted by Gaz Errant at 4:54 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


The DNC made me GAY

DONALD TRUMP WARNED US ABOUT THIS!
posted by Talez at 4:55 PM on July 25, 2016 [7 favorites]


(Oh God please tell me she's at least in her twenties)


23 even! Which means I can now start my Demi Lovato for President 2028 campaign today.
posted by MCMikeNamara at 4:55 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


So I came here to talk about mental illness but as long as I'm here, I'll belt out a song for you all.
posted by octothorpe at 4:55 PM on July 25, 2016 [11 favorites]


Did he say "Double Trump?"
posted by Rykey at 4:55 PM on July 25, 2016


Merkley was a vocal Sanders supporter, so it'll be interesting to see how this goes.
posted by dersins at 4:56 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


He seems a little nervous.
posted by Tarumba at 4:57 PM on July 25, 2016


He was the one senate endorsement he got.
posted by persona au gratin at 4:57 PM on July 25, 2016


Jeff Merkley just compared Trump to a lion [facepalm.gif].

Why not say "Trump isn't an advocate for workers any more than a rat is an advocate for cheese"?
posted by fitnr at 4:58 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


I think this guy stole Sam Waterston's eyebrows.
posted by biogeo at 4:59 PM on July 25, 2016


He seems a little nervous.

If you aren't Nick Jonas, I imagine following Demi Lovato is fairly nerve-wracking.
posted by MCMikeNamara at 4:59 PM on July 25, 2016 [6 favorites]


Hey You NoTPP Fucking Assholes: Way to look like even more petty assholes.
posted by mrzarquon at 4:59 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


NO PVP
NO TV
NO TIPI
posted by Foci for Analysis at 4:59 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


He emphasized that the most progressive platform ever was the result of Sanders and Clinton working together, and that what comes next will involve working together.

It was lovely until the boos.
posted by Superplin at 4:59 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


I didn't know who Demi Lovato was so it was a little disconcerting to see her go from talking about her mental health issues to bursting into song. And it was a kickass song.
posted by kirkaracha at 4:59 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


They needed to overrepresent Bernie with praise like this earlier to contain the angry. Not only did it reduce the booing, it helped pivot.

"Bernie and Hillary together forged this platform..." is exactly the sort of thing they needed to be saying 300 times today. He might not be the VP, but I think it's very smart to speak about him as if he is early on in the convention. It's a much better way to get people on board early, before gradually reducing mentions of Sanders as the thing goes on.
posted by rokusan at 5:00 PM on July 25, 2016 [9 favorites]


Okay then now they can bring out the black lives matter people since they got the TPP shout out.

Harrumph
posted by Tarumba at 5:00 PM on July 25, 2016


Interesting that Merkley keeps putting Sanders' name before Clinton's. Possibly canny, but feels kinda gross.
posted by dersins at 5:00 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Go Merkley! Try to heal that divide.
posted by Gaz Errant at 5:00 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


I'll belt out a song for you all.
Belt it but don't suspend(er) it.

I'll see myself out.
posted by datawrangler at 5:00 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


git up off ah dat thang?
posted by dis_integration at 5:01 PM on July 25, 2016


I think it's a little annoying that Merkley keeps saying "Bernie and Hillary". I understand why, but it's still annoying phrasing.
posted by winna at 5:01 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


NO TIPI

HOW DARE YOU! TIPI HEDREN IS AN AMERICAN ICON AND A LIVING LEGEND!
posted by Talez at 5:01 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


no bernie and no TPP makes delegates something something
posted by You Can't Tip a Buick at 5:01 PM on July 25, 2016


Seems a little more thought-through than "Sex Machine" was, if you're gonna roll out some James Brown.
posted by cortex at 5:01 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


I wish C-SPAN would show the band. They certainly did with the RNC.
posted by The corpse in the library at 5:01 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


LOL @ "DNC waitin' on ya" in this extended band vamp.
posted by JauntyFedora at 5:01 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Sarah Silverman was a big Bernie supporter (and I'm a big Sarah Silverman supporter) so her speech will get my attention, anyway.
posted by rokusan at 5:02 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]




please everybody just assume that I am continuing to shower you with the favorites that I have somehow already run out of
posted by kelborel at 5:03 PM on July 25, 2016 [10 favorites]


Seems a little more thought-through than "Sex Machine" was, if you're gonna roll out some James Brown.

I'll allow it.
posted by Soulfather at 5:03 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


I don't care whether he says "Bernie and Hillary" or "Hillary and Bernie" or "my left-wing crush and the pragmatist I'm voting for." It was a good message and I think it's what the Bernie-or-busters in the crowd need to hear.
posted by biogeo at 5:03 PM on July 25, 2016 [8 favorites]


Not sure the band is actually being heard in the center - the singer mentioned it more than once in that last bit.
posted by soundguy99 at 5:03 PM on July 25, 2016


All those people who were in despair earlier today need to be watching this!
posted by ThreeCatsBob at 5:03 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


"Let me do the worrying."

Oh God, my heart.
posted by Salieri at 5:03 PM on July 25, 2016 [11 favorites]


Fuck fuck now cutting onions I guess
posted by Tarumba at 5:03 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


The DNC made me cry.
posted by The corpse in the library at 5:03 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


Ok, they're showing a video from an old event of Clinton saying "let me do the worrying" to a little girl who said she's afraid her parents will be deported and ALL THE FEELS.
posted by zachlipton at 5:04 PM on July 25, 2016 [7 favorites]


Oh my god that clip. I'm crying in a coffee shop right now.
posted by biogeo at 5:04 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


And now the girl is on stage. This may be theater, but it's damn good theater.
posted by zachlipton at 5:04 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


Oh noooooo a small adorable child, my emotions, MY EMOTIONS
posted by yasaman at 5:04 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


This... is so powerful.
posted by gilrain at 5:05 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


I think it's a little annoying that Merkley keeps saying "Bernie and Hillary"

I think that's how they should have done it all along. Start out day one with Bernie and Hillary everything. Day two: Hillary and Bernie. Day three and thereafter: Hillary and Tim.
posted by rokusan at 5:05 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


OH GOD THE ONIONS
posted by Gaz Errant at 5:05 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


motherfuckin' feels right there, fuck
posted by cortex at 5:05 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


Merkley definitely hit all the right notes there.
posted by en forme de poire at 5:05 PM on July 25, 2016


"Soy Americana."
posted by biogeo at 5:05 PM on July 25, 2016 [13 favorites]


AND NOW THE GIRL SPEAKING I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW I HAD ALLERGIES
posted by dersins at 5:05 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


This convention so far can be summed up as: "Yep, we're definitely trying to win Arizona and Georgia, and we're making a run at Texas, you dipshit."
posted by (Arsenio) Hall and (Warren) Oates at 5:06 PM on July 25, 2016 [14 favorites]


OK we found out who the Bernie fans won't chant over
posted by The corpse in the library at 5:06 PM on July 25, 2016 [14 favorites]


oh my god I want to help her do science experiments on her desert rocks
posted by biogeo at 5:06 PM on July 25, 2016 [11 favorites]


WATCH OU! (battery clonks the girl on the head)
posted by Potomac Avenue at 5:06 PM on July 25, 2016


Translation, somebody? I haven't cried enough yet.
posted by Rykey at 5:07 PM on July 25, 2016


I basically never cry. And I'm not even American though I live there.

My eyes sure are weirdly wet right now.
posted by Hairy Lobster at 5:07 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


that girl is legit amazing
posted by Foci for Analysis at 5:07 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


Seriously tho someone find that video please.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 5:07 PM on July 25, 2016


I think this little girl just became the 2026 frontrunner
posted by billyfleetwood at 5:07 PM on July 25, 2016 [8 favorites]


That precious little girl.

"I want to grow up to be a lawyer so I can help other families like us."
posted by winna at 5:07 PM on July 25, 2016 [6 favorites]


I think the path is virginia + north carolina + florida + the usual suspects, 'cause I think ohio is out of reach and Pennsylvania looks dicey. Hell the whole industrial midwest makes me nervous.

The wildcard is if Kasich decides to shiv Trump's ground game in Ohio.
posted by Justinian at 5:08 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


***update*** we resumed conversation and my friends explained they (crunchy granola eaters that they are, are voting Stein. So. I am not pleased, but not as disappointed as I was worried I was going to be? Also, they promised me s'mores, so.
posted by sara is disenchanted at 5:08 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Where are y'all seeing this? I got MSNBC streaming and its nothing like y'all are talking about
posted by Senor Cardgage at 5:08 PM on July 25, 2016


Little girl is amazing. Didn't love the photo-op video (always seems fake/awkward to me) but she nailed the speech.
posted by birdheist at 5:08 PM on July 25, 2016


The thought of families being split up just breaks my heart.
posted by persona au gratin at 5:08 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


How brave do you have to be to stand up there and give a speech when your immigration status isn't settled?
posted by The corpse in the library at 5:08 PM on July 25, 2016 [24 favorites]


Si se puede!
posted by en forme de poire at 5:08 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


OMG I can't even tell you these are people who ran from South America, because they are treated like shit. Mom can barely read. They were discriminated against all their life.

I just can't tell you how good it feels to see them have a voice, when they didn't even in their own country.

I am bawling
posted by Tarumba at 5:08 PM on July 25, 2016 [10 favorites]


This convention so far can be summed up as: "Yep, we're definitely trying to win Arizona and Georgia, and we're making a run at Texas, you dipshit."

Oh my god the very idea of making the GOP fight for Texas makes me so happy.
posted by Pope Guilty at 5:09 PM on July 25, 2016 [14 favorites]


Video: Let me do the worrying (campaign ad from February)
posted by zachlipton at 5:09 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


Official DNC live stream, for most of us I think.
posted by gilrain at 5:09 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


I just can't with this little girl right now. She reminds me so much of my little Girl Scouts. They worry so much about their parents. When she was reading along with her mom, man. I see that all the time with my girls. I'm so glad there's so much Latina representation on this stage today.
posted by phunniemee at 5:10 PM on July 25, 2016 [9 favorites]


Oh don't spoil the good feels with a stupid trump quote!
posted by winna at 5:10 PM on July 25, 2016


The wildcard is if Kasich decides to shiv Trump's ground game in Ohio.

I think he will, for House of Cards reasons. It gives him an entry point in 2020, instead of waiting eight years for his next shot.

Okay maybe I hope he will. But I have feelings, is what I am saying.
posted by rokusan at 5:10 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


I think the path is virginia + north carolina + florida + the usual suspects, 'cause I think ohio is out of reach

Wait, what? No it isn't.
posted by showbiz_liz at 5:10 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


Where are y'all seeing this? I got MSNBC streaming and its nothing like y'all are talking about

Networks don't show the good stuff because they talk over it. Try Twitch or YouTube for the raw feed.
posted by zachlipton at 5:10 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Yeah the Trump-attacky spots don't seem to mesh well at all with the feel-good stuff they're trying to communicate. Maybe save the war drums for the final day?
posted by rokusan at 5:10 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]




The last time politics made me cry was election night 2008.
posted by biogeo at 5:11 PM on July 25, 2016


Yeah, just watching the feed. I don't need a network commentator to explain to me what i just saw.
posted by octothorpe at 5:11 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


They are putting faces to Trump's words.

Trump has been talking about the cultural other, the stranger.

The DNC are giving them a voice, a face, a heart.
posted by mrzarquon at 5:12 PM on July 25, 2016 [29 favorites]


Update: my 2028 ticket is now Astrid Silva/Demi Lovato. Get on the train before it leaves the station.

(Yeah, I'm gonna amend the constitution before then.)
posted by MCMikeNamara at 5:12 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


The Twitch stream seems to be a bit more up to date
posted by Foci for Analysis at 5:12 PM on July 25, 2016


Oh, man, what is this feeling I'm getting, this esperanza? This pride in what my country is supposed to be about? Is this... patriotism?
posted by lauranesson at 5:12 PM on July 25, 2016 [11 favorites]


I think putting the contrast between the DNC and RNC front and center, contrasting w/ words from actual immigrants, is a smart choice. It really heightens the disparity.
posted by en forme de poire at 5:12 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


Preach it, Luis!
posted by persona au gratin at 5:13 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


I'm putting my daughter to bed and just hugged her real good even tho we're probably not going to get deported. End cynicism tonight we can do it.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 5:13 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


If you want decent commentary turn off CNN and watch Monday Night RAW.
posted by JakeEXTREME at 5:13 PM on July 25, 2016


They're in Puerto Rico. Why would they need a Winter Coat?
posted by newgrl at 5:13 PM on July 25, 2016


Rep. Gutierrez is ON FIRE
posted by Gaz Errant at 5:13 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


Holy shit, Luis Gutierrez is tearing it up.
posted by boo_radley at 5:13 PM on July 25, 2016 [6 favorites]


*cheers*
posted by zarq at 5:13 PM on July 25, 2016


I am sobbing after that sweet smart little girl.

I hope these amazing stories might filter through and soften the hearts of the Bernie delegates. Real people with real problems. I hope it makes them see the human faces that will be affected if we don't unify against Trump.

By the way, many many deep hugs to all you Bernie supporters who have made the switch. Thank you. And thank you for sharing the stories about how when you dug in to get to know Hillary better, you found much more substance than you realized and came to recognize many of the lies. She's not perfect, no politician is. What el lio said earlier is true - Bernie supporters are the ones who can change minds.
posted by madamjujujive at 5:13 PM on July 25, 2016 [7 favorites]


Congressman Luis Gutierrez is tearing it up right now.
posted by winna at 5:14 PM on July 25, 2016


Schedule update: after some initial confusion, Sanders will get the prime speaking slot at the end of the night, after Warren and Michelle Obama.
posted by zachlipton at 5:14 PM on July 25, 2016


Translation, somebody? I haven't cried enough yet.

It was along the lines of "We need to reform the immigration system to keep families together so they can pursue the American Dream."
posted by Blue Jello Elf at 5:14 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


Fuck yeah, Luis!
posted by zombieflanders at 5:14 PM on July 25, 2016


'cause I think ohio is out of reach

I think you're underestimating the Dem/PoC vote in Ohio, plus I think Kaine's gonna solidify a lot of support.

The wildcard is if Kasich decides to shiv Trump's ground game in Ohio.

Oh, he will. By all accounts he's a mean sonofabitch.
posted by soundguy99 at 5:14 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


If you want decent commentary turn off CNN and watch Monday Night RAW.

Especially with Corey Graves now on commentary!
posted by misskaz at 5:14 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


> They're in Puerto Rico. Why would they need a Winter Coat?

they moved to Chicago.
posted by mrzarquon at 5:14 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Karla Ortíz 2026, you have my vote.
posted by mattdidthat at 5:14 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Please have some Muslim people next!

Also did you hear that voice scream TELL THEM, LUIS!? heh
posted by Tarumba at 5:15 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


I needed these speeches so much.
posted by biogeo at 5:15 PM on July 25, 2016 [7 favorites]


"My parents when they came here from Puerto Rico weren't the only ones to face discrimination. Immigrants contribute to our communities and make America a great nation!"
posted by winna at 5:15 PM on July 25, 2016


The contrast between the positivity of the speeches so far and the mean-spirited apocalyptic appeals to fear and distrust of others that filled the RNC speaking schedule could not be more stark. Yes, the Dems are running clips of Trump on the screen, but if running clips of you saying stuff scares people, that's kind of on you, not your opposition.

To make Democrats seem scary, RNC speakers had to stretch the truth, inflate numbers, and simply make things up. To make a Trump presidency scary, the Democrats had to give him free air time during their convention.
posted by tonycpsu at 5:16 PM on July 25, 2016 [16 favorites]


What's this guy doing in 2024?
posted by Gaz Errant at 5:16 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


"A fair immigration system is better for all America!"

"It is a sick and hateful fantasy [that immigrants will be rounded up and deported]."
posted by winna at 5:16 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


Luis Guiterrez just now: "Its a fantasy that we are going to round up 11 million people and deport them. It's a sick and hateful fantasy."
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 5:17 PM on July 25, 2016 [19 favorites]


Medgar Evers!
posted by The corpse in the library at 5:17 PM on July 25, 2016 [6 favorites]


The problem is that giving Trump free airtime hasn't worked out for anyone yet.

It seems like it should work... but... somehow doesn't.
posted by rokusan at 5:17 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


I hope some of the feeds are taping this for rewatch, because I have class when Michelle and Bernie will be speaking, this class involves intricate and involved group work, and I want to watch this at home whilst sipping on a fine Scotch.
posted by spinifex23 at 5:18 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Planned Parenthood! Marriage equality! Who is this man, I love him.
posted by The corpse in the library at 5:18 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


"Congress has to keep its hands off Planned Parenthood."
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 5:18 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Nice shout-out to all the civil rights movements.
posted by zombieflanders at 5:18 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


Hmmm How old is Gutierrez? (Sneaks off to start superPAC)
posted by Potomac Avenue at 5:18 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


What's this guy doing in 2024?

Being 70, unfortunately.
posted by dersins at 5:18 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


"We will take out the NRA"
posted by mrzarquon at 5:18 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


What's this guy doing in 2024?

Still sucking on lozenges.
posted by rokusan at 5:18 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


Luis Gutierrez is saying great things, but I can't help but think he's Fred Armisen with some aging makeup on. They're even both from Chicago.
posted by Special Agent Dale Cooper at 5:18 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


Diggin this Gutierrez dude's scene
posted by Senor Cardgage at 5:19 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


People are booing at gun control?
posted by Tarumba at 5:19 PM on July 25, 2016


this dude is preaching damn
posted by Lyme Drop at 5:19 PM on July 25, 2016


seriously this is such a great speech.
posted by winna at 5:19 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


SI SE PUEDE
posted by winna at 5:19 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


Thank you, Luis Gutierrez, THIS is what I want to see four nights of!

Chicago represent!

(and it sounds to me - at least on MSNBC's feed - that the crowd has calmed down? I'm not hearing boos or opposition at the moment.)
posted by dnash at 5:20 PM on July 25, 2016


Luis Gutierrez was fighting for immigrant rights long before it was cool. He was there from the beginning. He's legit.
posted by persona au gratin at 5:20 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


He is a future President, the deities be willing.
posted by madamjujujive at 5:20 PM on July 25, 2016


yayyyyy the Collins twins!!!
posted by acidic at 5:20 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Jarron Collins is going to take it down tempo.
posted by winna at 5:20 PM on July 25, 2016


The Collins brothers are a blatant call-out to Silicon Valley ;)
posted by Lyme Drop at 5:20 PM on July 25, 2016


this is what democracy looks like
posted by Sebmojo at 5:21 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


People are booing at gun control?

That's... interesting.
posted by Artw at 5:21 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


i give guitar lessons to a 12 year old black orphan from africa who was adopted by our pastor's family. the kid is being scared shitless by kids at school telling him Trump is going to send him back where he came from. i've told him not to worry but he does. what kind of parents are putting that poison in their kids minds. it makes me livid.
posted by quonsar II: smock fishpants and the temple of foon at 5:21 PM on July 25, 2016 [58 favorites]


"what are you going to tell your kids if the president reduces women to their physical appearance."
posted by winna at 5:21 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


down tempo maybe but on point
posted by Hairy Lobster at 5:21 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


(keep muttering that to yourself regardless how you feel about what's happening at any given moment, btw, it's extremely true)
posted by Sebmojo at 5:22 PM on July 25, 2016


My daughter is a little Latina. Most of her friends are little Latinos and Latinas and other children of immigrants.

We the parents always almost never talk about our fears of deportation (even if one is fully documented, we have precedent of natural born us citizens being deported or worse becaus of their ancestry (can see a former ceconcentration camp for Japanese people from my office window in sunny silicon valley)) we all know, we've all had the sleepless nights.

You have no idea how much this thing that just happened means to me.
posted by Doroteo Arango II at 5:22 PM on July 25, 2016 [46 favorites]


lmao @ "my less attractive twin brother"
posted by cobra_high_tigers at 5:22 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


"My less-handsome twin brother..."

Hilariously, I was just thinking, "Wow, this guy is really handsome." The brother is too.
posted by biogeo at 5:22 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


"Donald Trump reduces women to their physical appearance."

So many men speaking strongly for women's reproductive health and just general right to dignity. Should be a low bar, but holy hell we know it isn't. I am now loving this convention and the assholes can't ruin it for me (although I'll never forgive them for drowning out Black Lives Matter).
posted by Superplin at 5:22 PM on July 25, 2016 [8 favorites]


Down tempo is not bad! Varying the levels is good!
posted by winna at 5:22 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


good work bringing up the UN resolution!
posted by en forme de poire at 5:23 PM on July 25, 2016


How old is Gutierrez? (Sneaks off to start superPAC)

NOPE HE IS MY CONGRESSMAN AND YOU CAN'T HAVE HIM
posted by tivalasvegas at 5:23 PM on July 25, 2016 [12 favorites]


Jesse Lipson in the house!
posted by winna at 5:24 PM on July 25, 2016


Oh tech bro time.
posted by mrzarquon at 5:24 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


Did nobody tell him that t-shirt was a terrible choice?
posted by fedward at 5:24 PM on July 25, 2016


0 channels showing whoever this is besides Cspan btw my wife just reported from my living room.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 5:25 PM on July 25, 2016


Lipson as the anti-Thiel?
posted by zombieflanders at 5:25 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


"Nothing scares away investors like hate."
posted by winna at 5:25 PM on July 25, 2016 [6 favorites]


"Donald, it's clear you don't understand something about business. Nothing scares away investment like hate."
posted by biogeo at 5:25 PM on July 25, 2016 [6 favorites]


Tech guy says: "Donald, you build skyscrapers; I build in the cloud." Ugh.

But he goes on to say "nothing scares away investment like hate" and talks about hateful laws in NC killing investment, so I'll forgive him.
posted by zachlipton at 5:25 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


I'm not comfortable with this guy's hair situation
posted by the uncomplicated soups of my childhood at 5:25 PM on July 25, 2016 [7 favorites]


"Republicans may think they're telling you which bathroom to go into, but they're really telling you which market to stay out of" - nice
posted by cobra_high_tigers at 5:26 PM on July 25, 2016 [12 favorites]


"Nothing scares investors like hate"

Damn
posted by Tarumba at 5:26 PM on July 25, 2016


"Republicans may think they're telling people which bathroom to go into, but they're telling investors what markets to stay out of."
posted by winna at 5:26 PM on July 25, 2016 [7 favorites]


Jesse Lipson looks a little more corporate in his Citrix photo.
posted by mrzarquon at 5:26 PM on July 25, 2016


I think that's one of the official Hillary t-shirts, all of which, I'm sad to say, are kind of terrible.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 5:26 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]




> Did nobody tell him that t-shirt was a terrible choice

It's a Hillary shirt.
posted by The corpse in the library at 5:27 PM on July 25, 2016


wooooo, cut taxes and regulations!
posted by indubitable at 5:27 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


I'm over tech bros but this is pretty good and I think is going to resonate with the sizable Economist-esque centrist but pluralistic faction of Ds.

Also my heart is growing at boos for Pence, and that was a pretty good sick burn.
posted by en forme de poire at 5:27 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


Wait are they not booing this guy? My wife reports he's wearing a blazer over a graphic t and has slicked back hair. I'm back to THE LEFT IS DOOMED if they boo BLM and not this actual capitalist.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 5:27 PM on July 25, 2016 [6 favorites]


This guy is not really targeted at me, but we use Citrix at my giant company, and I could see this playing very well with some of their higher-ups.
posted by peacheater at 5:27 PM on July 25, 2016


wake me up when it's time to go vote

i can't possibly keep up with this
posted by pyramid termite at 5:27 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


I suspected, but now have confirmation: even when they seem nice and are saying nothing but things I agree with, tech bros give me the heebie jeebies.
posted by gilrain at 5:28 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


Gay men jumping the broom!
posted by The corpse in the library at 5:28 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


A Reality-Check On The Mood In The Convention

Yeah, by 5:00 the mood had definitely changed for the better.
posted by biogeo at 5:28 PM on July 25, 2016


I don't love the whole framing of "oh look business gets mad about discrimination so see we shouldn't do it"

it's like saying "don't poo on the floor because someone might step on it"

which, yes, but also just don't poo on the floor
posted by tivalasvegas at 5:29 PM on July 25, 2016 [12 favorites]


Okay so 360-degree video is the coolest tech thing I've seen this year but I'm not getting the point of it here, when it's in the crowd, far away from anything cool
posted by Rainbo Vagrant at 5:29 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


I love the brisk pace they've got going on here. Way to keep the energy up.
posted by Salieri at 5:29 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


The 360 feed seems to be lower res even when in HD too.
posted by JakeEXTREME at 5:30 PM on July 25, 2016


Damn it only took me 1.5 hours to get home in austin traffic. FINALLY watching. Sheesh.
posted by Annika Cicada at 5:30 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


I'm seeing a lot of delegates fanning themselves with their programs on the floor. Just how hot is it in there?
posted by zachlipton at 5:30 PM on July 25, 2016


There hasn't been a white person on stage in like 45 minutes. This is amazing.
posted by billyfleetwood at 5:30 PM on July 25, 2016 [18 favorites]


yeah the 360 degree video mostly just cuts down the resolution so I can't see the speakers
posted by indubitable at 5:31 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Indeed it is a Hillary shirt. Still bad for video.
posted by fedward at 5:31 PM on July 25, 2016


"[Trump's] worst attack on us was his vice presidential pick."
posted by winna at 5:32 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


> I don't love the whole framing of "oh look business gets mad about discrimination so see we shouldn't do it"


This is going for the "Republicans are business focused" plank - they are pushing the hypocrisy angle hard.
posted by mrzarquon at 5:32 PM on July 25, 2016 [6 favorites]


Y'all it's weird as hell to hear "transgender" in a convention.
posted by Annika Cicada at 5:32 PM on July 25, 2016 [24 favorites]


I'm liking the fact that Pence is also getting both barrels from the speakers. It's important that he doesn't get away with being the "nice" or "moderate" or "sane" one.
posted by zombieflanders at 5:32 PM on July 25, 2016 [8 favorites]


OW OW OW OW my eyes that is a terrible shirt.
posted by 3urypteris at 5:33 PM on July 25, 2016


Wow, she was incredible.
posted by biogeo at 5:34 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


HIllary plans to mislead the nation with thousands of dazzle-camouflage t-shirts
posted by the uncomplicated soups of my childhood at 5:34 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


My biased perception tells me nobody could disagree with these speeches.

Did republicans feel the same way at the RNC?
posted by Tarumba at 5:34 PM on July 25, 2016


Now we've got a video with Ken Jeong and Austan Goolsbee forming an unlikely duo to make fun of Trump products made overseas.

Trump barware made in Slovenia: "Holy Melania!"
posted by zachlipton at 5:35 PM on July 25, 2016 [9 favorites]


BTW I had some unpleasant conversations with insurance people about transgender stuff, because the thing is, the push for equality there has kind of been a top-down thing, directly from the Obama administration. So I'm extremely heartened and thrilled to hear it being mentioned here so very very often. Like a hundred Loretta Lynches making eye contact with me all at once and saying "We see you."
posted by Rainbo Vagrant at 5:35 PM on July 25, 2016 [14 favorites]


A man is squeaking about trump vodka being made in the Netherlands and I'm so confused.
posted by winna at 5:35 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


Going after Racists, focusing on Mental Health and Addiction, 11 year old kids, ska punk, this is starting to pop off.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 5:35 PM on July 25, 2016 [6 favorites]


Did republicans feel the same way at the RNC?

I've been spending time in r/asktrumpsupporters. The answer is: yes.
posted by the_querulous_night at 5:36 PM on July 25, 2016


Now we've got a video with Ken Jeong and Austan Goolsbee forming an unlikely duo to make fun of Trump products made overseas.

That was... surprisingly entertaining.
posted by biogeo at 5:36 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


i'm so glad he didn't say unquote
posted by lazaruslong at 5:36 PM on July 25, 2016


and again
posted by lazaruslong at 5:37 PM on July 25, 2016


Way to kill the momentum, Bob Casey.
posted by zombieflanders at 5:37 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


My biased perception tells me nobody could disagree with these speeches.

Content of the speeches aside, it helps that the speakers roster is not a parade of Prosperity Gospel hucksters, MLM pyramid schemers and Scott Baio.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 5:37 PM on July 25, 2016 [10 favorites]


ugh yes the protections for trans folks is getting better as a result of the ACA but still pretty awful
posted by tivalasvegas at 5:37 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Is Bob Casey always this awkward a speaker?
posted by Blue Jello Elf at 5:37 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Those ugly shirts are Made in America and Union Prited though, which is great. Just, maybe don't make the HRC campaign logo into one of those optical illusions that make the walls slide back and forth you when you look away.
posted by 3urypteris at 5:38 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


Casey: "outsourcing is... not... always a terrible thing"

Crowd: "????? ??? ? ?? ????"
posted by boo_radley at 5:38 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


Bob Casey is one fake phone call away from this turning into a Bob Newhart skit.
posted by (Arsenio) Hall and (Warren) Oates at 5:38 PM on July 25, 2016 [7 favorites]


I've only really been watching since like 6:30 but so far EVERY SINGLE SPEECH has been better just as a speech than the vulgar talking yam's acceptance speech.
posted by soundguy99 at 5:39 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


>.> duuuuuuuude
posted by Annika Cicada at 5:39 PM on July 25, 2016


Is Bob Casey always this awkward a speaker?

More so. This is his "A" game.

They can't all be barn-burners, folks.
posted by tonycpsu at 5:39 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


the spots they keep running are like a cheap infomercial made by college students. they are terrible and embarrassing.
posted by rr at 5:39 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


"Donald Trump has never made anything in his life"

("Bobby Newport's never had a REAL job in his LIFE")
posted by Rainbo Vagrant at 5:39 PM on July 25, 2016 [12 favorites]


Is Bob Casey always this awkward a speaker?

I think he may be the scheduled bathroom break. 'swhat I did.
posted by Mooski at 5:39 PM on July 25, 2016


Y'all I have a yes we can shirt from 08 shit was printed on cardboard in comic sans let's not get silly.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 5:40 PM on July 25, 2016 [6 favorites]


Oh I have such a soft spot for dorks and Bob Casey is endearing himself to me so much right now. Bless his heart his terrible 76’s joke was such cute and he clearly thought it was HILARIOUS.
posted by winna at 5:40 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


Bob Casey's speech would probably read really well.
posted by argybarg at 5:40 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


ok, but that backs of the working class was a pretty good line
posted by boo_radley at 5:40 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Also, Bob Casey is kinda charmingly dorky - he's awkward because he's totally Dadding it up.
posted by soundguy99 at 5:40 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


Luke Feeney is a cutie.
posted by stolyarova at 5:41 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


I take that back. He's not bad. He's got a good vibe and his words are solid.
posted by Annika Cicada at 5:41 PM on July 25, 2016


Ohio represent!
posted by soundguy99 at 5:41 PM on July 25, 2016


("Bobby Newport's never had a REAL job in his LIFE")

I'd vote for Bobby Newport over Donald Trump any day.
posted by lovecrafty at 5:42 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Oh its this guy!
posted by mrzarquon at 5:42 PM on July 25, 2016


Guy walks on to Zeppelin. Sets the bar high.
posted by Lyme Drop at 5:42 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]




Chillicothe is on the rise, in great lines few people have ever felt moved to say ever.

/not Chillicothe-ist
posted by winna at 5:43 PM on July 25, 2016 [7 favorites]


jimmy page never needed a Boss MetalZone though.
posted by quonsar II: smock fishpants and the temple of foon at 5:43 PM on July 25, 2016 [9 favorites]


Just looked at the schedule. Paul Simon is playing tonight?! Yessssssssss.
posted by stolyarova at 5:43 PM on July 25, 2016


Doesn't Bob Casey know the Sixers have a backlog of big men?
posted by enjoymoreradio at 5:43 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


I was particularly attuned as I literally learned to play that song today.
posted by Lyme Drop at 5:44 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


I hear a smallish chant of "No trust no unity" now.
posted by zachlipton at 5:44 PM on July 25, 2016


Luke Feeney is a cutie.

He is! And thus my dirty feelings over finding the NJ delegate Christie offspring cute are washed away.

But wow, he can't be more than twelve. Right? Who are all these Democratic leaders with the secret of eternal youth? There have got to be a bunch of paintings in attics somewhere.
posted by Salieri at 5:44 PM on July 25, 2016


Just looked at the schedule.

What's the link? I was wondering who the next speakers are. Thank you!
posted by cashman at 5:44 PM on July 25, 2016


Let us not speak of the Process.
posted by palindromic at 5:45 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


That mayor was adorable!
posted by argybarg at 5:45 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


jimmy page never needed a Boss MetalZone though.

That tone was set way high hahahahahahaha
posted by Annika Cicada at 5:45 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Oooh we're still chanting in the background I see, no justice no peace now.
posted by the uncomplicated soups of my childhood at 5:45 PM on July 25, 2016


Feeney is genuinely like 26.
posted by soundguy99 at 5:45 PM on July 25, 2016


Oh noes my new favorite Ohio mayor is speaking and I'm stuck in Aldi
posted by tivalasvegas at 5:45 PM on July 25, 2016


Someone is chanting "No Unity"

Seriously?
posted by mrzarquon at 5:45 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]




I hear a smallish chant of "No trust no unity"

It was literally like two dudes.
posted by dersins at 5:47 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


The guy with too much botox was a good speaker. very inspirational. time for another infomercial segment.
posted by rr at 5:47 PM on July 25, 2016


Good news is it sounded like ten people chanting, so tiny minority
posted by Tarumba at 5:47 PM on July 25, 2016


Just turned on MSNBC, Rachel Maddow has a BIG SMILE
posted by zutalors! at 5:47 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


Two moms or two dads. Fuck yeah.
posted by Mooski at 5:48 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


Had a phone call. Aww, man, I missed the mayor?
posted by fedward at 5:48 PM on July 25, 2016


"We are the only industrialized nation that doesn't guarantee workers paid family leave."
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 5:48 PM on July 25, 2016 [6 favorites]


The guy with too much botox

Nice try, dude. See my above comment.
posted by soundguy99 at 5:48 PM on July 25, 2016


No botox, he's just young and has never spoken at this level before. He's the mayor of a small town.
posted by Tarumba at 5:48 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


It's "Jillibrand" and not "Gillibrand?" This is like the GIF nightmare all over again.
posted by fedward at 5:49 PM on July 25, 2016 [9 favorites]


It's "jif" obvs
posted by stolyarova at 5:50 PM on July 25, 2016 [7 favorites]


a smallish chant... It was literally like two dudes.

"Two man gang? That's a pretty small gang. Technically, the smallest gang possible."
posted by rokusan at 5:50 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


It's "jif" obvs

Pistols at dawn.
posted by enjoymoreradio at 5:51 PM on July 25, 2016 [9 favorites]


I'm finally watching! Not super good this speech but she keeps saying Hillary and nobodies booing her. :)
posted by Potomac Avenue at 5:51 PM on July 25, 2016


GIF nightmare

flagged for please God not here not now
posted by tivalasvegas at 5:51 PM on July 25, 2016 [18 favorites]


Coming up later:

The Honorable Al Franken

United States Senator, Minnesota

Performance

Paul Simon

American musician, singer-songwriter and actor.


If G.E. Smith had played the DNC instead of the RNC, you could almost make an SNL episode out of this.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 5:51 PM on July 25, 2016 [6 favorites]


Quiet guys, my senator Al is on!
posted by triggerfinger at 5:52 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Yeah Chillicothe has less than 25,000 people. It is a nice little town!
posted by winna at 5:52 PM on July 25, 2016


enjoymoreradio: It's "jif" obvs Pistols at dawn.

I'll be Stolyarova's second.
posted by Superplin at 5:52 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


I'm surprised they didn't play the SNL theme.
posted by mrzarquon at 5:52 PM on July 25, 2016


Draw the map, Al Franken. Draw the map.
posted by rokusan at 5:52 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


This speaking to the heart of so many families though. I mean, I'm at home with my kids right now and this right on the point.
posted by Annika Cicada at 5:52 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Awwww shit, here comes Franken.
posted by tonycpsu at 5:53 PM on July 25, 2016


I will drink a shot of tequila if he does Stuart Smiley.
posted by Lyme Drop at 5:53 PM on July 25, 2016


"I got my Doctorate in Megolamaniacs from Trump University."
posted by zombieflanders at 5:53 PM on July 25, 2016 [11 favorites]


It's "jif" obvs Pistols at dawn.

Ima just gonna turn around so I can have deniability.
posted by rokusan at 5:53 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


"I got my Doctorate in Megalomania Studies at Trump University." Oh yes, Mr. Franken. That's the way to play it.
(bonus "misunderestimating" for us olds)
posted by Superplin at 5:53 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


Actually, it's pronounced "sequel".
posted by [expletive deleted] at 5:53 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


"World renown expert on megalomanic"

"I got my doctorate in megalomania at trump university. I had to clean out my 401k and get a reverse mortgage to pay for it, but as a proud alumni I think we may have misunderestimated him."
posted by winna at 5:54 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


Lolllll a Trump roast
posted by Tarumba at 5:54 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


Franken: "Trump University's School of Ripping People Off is ranked second in the nation - right behind Bernie Madoff University."
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 5:54 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


Franken wears the same glasses that he wore on SNL.
posted by octothorpe at 5:55 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


Finally one of these folks is drunk COME ON AL WE LIGHTING THIS CRACKER UP
posted by Potomac Avenue at 5:55 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


Great library line.
posted by Lyme Drop at 5:55 PM on July 25, 2016


Franken is straight KILLING IT.
posted by tonycpsu at 5:55 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


Hah, Al got a correction from the crowd on mispronouncing "yuge".
posted by sideshow at 5:56 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Sorry, I love Al Franken, but this is some stale shit. A lot of these jokes are landing with a thud.
posted by the bricabrac man at 5:56 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


Franken's "I can't wait to call her Madam President," to big cheers.

LOVE
posted by Salieri at 5:57 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


"I am proud to call Hillary Clinton my friend and I can't wait to call her Madam President."
posted by peacheater at 5:57 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


That brings up a question - IS it Madame President?
posted by Mooski at 5:57 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


That was a really weak joke part of the speech and a really great serious part.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 5:57 PM on July 25, 2016


Why does hillaryclinton.com have "Hillary Y'all" buttons but no bumper stickers with that message? This Texan wants one. Imma hafta wait and consult my husband on what sticker we want on our car, since he drives it most.
posted by threeturtles at 5:57 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Christ there's still 102 days (from Friday)? Oh to have a cave to live in.
posted by janell at 5:58 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


Franken is what a really passionate supporter looks like. We'll be seeing a lot of that. It's just a fact that her fellow Democratic politicians really love her. That's saying something to me.
posted by zutalors! at 5:58 PM on July 25, 2016 [11 favorites]


Madoff was a democratic donor and a clinton donor, that was a little awkward but funny. But al is wonderful.
posted by rr at 5:58 PM on July 25, 2016


"Hirrily, Hillary Clinton"
posted by quonsar II: smock fishpants and the temple of foon at 5:58 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


Yeah, bad sketch is bad. Cue the sandman.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 5:58 PM on July 25, 2016


Tons of applause at the Wellstone(!) name-drop.
posted by schmod at 5:58 PM on July 25, 2016 [8 favorites]


Yay we got our first drunk speaker!
posted by Tarumba at 5:58 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


I ask that 'cause I wanna be able to do it right on Day One.
posted by Mooski at 5:58 PM on July 25, 2016


His pacing is weak all through.
posted by Rainbo Vagrant at 5:58 PM on July 25, 2016


Ahh damnit Al... bringing up Paul still makes me tear up 14 years later.
posted by nathan_teske at 5:58 PM on July 25, 2016 [9 favorites]


Nice to hear cheers for Paul Wellstone.
posted by zombieflanders at 5:58 PM on July 25, 2016 [14 favorites]


Brings to mind Anthony Jeselnik's roast of Trump:
Donald, I'm not sure if you're even aware of this, but the only difference between you and Michael Douglas from the movie, Wall Street, is that no one's going to be sad when you get cancer.
posted by palindromic at 5:59 PM on July 25, 2016 [18 favorites]


Oh noes my new favorite Ohio mayor is speaking and I'm stuck in Aldi

That's what you get for going to Aldi. #NeverAldi.

Was out enjoying the lake tonight. Checking Mefi to see if I dare venture into watching the convention now!
posted by NorthernLite at 5:59 PM on July 25, 2016


That brings up a question - IS it Madame President?

As much as I wish we went the Star Trek route and used "Mister" for her, yes, it is Madam.
posted by rokusan at 5:59 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Friday, we start to work, until then, let's get drunk.
posted by Annika Cicada at 5:59 PM on July 25, 2016


Go out and campaign! Leave your kids at home alone! They know how to use a microwave!
posted by triggerfinger at 5:59 PM on July 25, 2016 [9 favorites]


Why does hillaryclinton.com have "Hillary Y'all" buttons but no bumper stickers with that message?

Needs to be fixed. I just took down my "Obama Y'all" sign a few weeks ago.
posted by bongo_x at 5:59 PM on July 25, 2016


The "Listen, kids love it when their parents aren't home," bit was good.
posted by Salieri at 6:00 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


Yay we got our first drunk speaker!

Hopefully Sarah is lit right up.
posted by rokusan at 6:00 PM on July 25, 2016


IS it Madame President?

Mrs./Ms. I presume.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 6:00 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


It's gonna take months for Hillary signs/stickers to outnumber Sanders ones in my city... if they even ever do. It's still not even close.
posted by rokusan at 6:01 PM on July 25, 2016


So the convention is when I get to put a face to the people who are constantly emailing me for money.
posted by bongo_x at 6:01 PM on July 25, 2016 [8 favorites]


Democrats dance in their seats so much better than Republicans.
posted by octothorpe at 6:01 PM on July 25, 2016 [7 favorites]


You know factionalism is bad but our convention has way better awkward dancers.
posted by winna at 6:01 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Al Franken will be back again in a bit?
posted by mrzarquon at 6:02 PM on July 25, 2016


"Stronger together" signs being passed out in the hall. Someone knew what they were doing here: start with "love trumps hate" signs that everyone should be able to get behind, try to build some unity, then cash in on it with new signs.
posted by zachlipton at 6:02 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


Al Franken is a national treasure.
posted by mgar at 6:02 PM on July 25, 2016 [6 favorites]


Franken was so great, glad I was able to caught his speech just now. I had no idea he was going to be speaking tonight.

The official schedule leaves out a lot of details about who is speaking in what order on what day, just a long list of officials to appear this week. Is there another place where I can find that out?
posted by numaner at 6:02 PM on July 25, 2016


Yes, MADAME President, not Mrs. President or Ms. President or Sugar Tits President or Honeybunch President or Majestic Toes President or Sweety Pie President or Lady Bits President or She Ra President.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 6:02 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


Madam.
posted by Lyn Never at 6:02 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


Was that Rosie Perez?
posted by zombieflanders at 6:02 PM on July 25, 2016


You can't deny we're much better dancers than the Republicans
posted by Tarumba at 6:02 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


Secret Life of Gravy I for one would be super stoked if it were She Ra President.
posted by winna at 6:03 PM on July 25, 2016 [10 favorites]


Al FRanken has been in politics for so long that when I hear his name I mentally picture Lewis Black.
posted by Yowser at 6:03 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


One thing is clear: if this was an audience dance competition the DNC would have already won by a huge margin.
posted by Hairy Lobster at 6:03 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


That brings up a question - IS it Madame President?

One assumes; it is Madame Speaker in the House.

But presumably she will have some influence over the title and might request to be called the Ayatollah of Rock-And-Rollah or Her Splendiferousness.
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 6:04 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


Chris Christie quote.
posted by mrzarquon at 6:04 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Aren't we feeling better, guys? Whew. I was hiding sharp object earlier tonight.

Smart that they moved Bernie to last - I am not sure you could quiet his people down again after he speaks.
posted by madamjujujive at 6:04 PM on July 25, 2016 [6 favorites]


Fuck why they got to make me cry.
posted by Mooski at 6:04 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


Take it up with Clinton, winna. I figure since she is the first, she gets to choose.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 6:05 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


It's much easier to dance when you're happy than when you're scared and angry.
posted by palindromic at 6:05 PM on July 25, 2016 [6 favorites]


I manage to avoid all the ugly Trumpism in everyday life, I didn't need it to chase down the happy seat-dancing
posted by Rainbo Vagrant at 6:05 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Well this young woman is just wonderful.
posted by WordCannon at 6:06 PM on July 25, 2016 [8 favorites]


Seriously. Totally making me cry right now.
posted by fedward at 6:06 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


"Hillary Clinton sees me."
posted by NorthernLite at 6:06 PM on July 25, 2016 [13 favorites]


Ugh. Using that video of Trump doing his "disabled" at is pretty ham-fisted. Just let Somosa come out on her own and talk
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 6:06 PM on July 25, 2016


I'm so glad I stopped in on this thread, the comments overall have been great.
posted by Quiplash at 6:06 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Oh man, the segue from Trump mocking the reporter to Anastasia Somoza's speech is a brutal juxtaposition.
posted by gatorae at 6:06 PM on July 25, 2016 [13 favorites]


Just saw a Texas delegate in his hat!
posted by winna at 6:06 PM on July 25, 2016


:_: this is the world I want.
posted by Annika Cicada at 6:06 PM on July 25, 2016 [23 favorites]


Every day of my life has become centered around helping kids with disabilities. It is straight up wonderful to see this woman on the DNC stage.
posted by vverse23 at 6:07 PM on July 25, 2016 [15 favorites]


"Donald Trump has shown everyone who he is, and I honestly feel bad for anyone with that much hate in their heart."

I'm bawling.
posted by Special Agent Dale Cooper at 6:07 PM on July 25, 2016 [30 favorites]


"I honestly feel bad for anyone with that much hate in their heart."
posted by fedward at 6:07 PM on July 25, 2016 [7 favorites]


"I feel bad for someone with so much hate in their heart"

I could die of feelings right now
posted by Tarumba at 6:07 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


Guys the onions are back.

I am so happy right now to see a disabled person up on the stage in prime time at the DNC.
posted by Gaz Errant at 6:07 PM on July 25, 2016 [8 favorites]


"Donald Trump doesn't hear me, doesn't see me, and he doesn't speak for me."
posted by winna at 6:07 PM on July 25, 2016 [12 favorites]


You guys, I did not stock nearly enough wine and tissues for this, I was not ready
posted by Andrhia at 6:07 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


Hell of a speech. Glad the boos have stopped.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 6:08 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


I just remembered that Bush I passed the Americans with Disabilities act. Can you imagine the Republicans doing anything that compassionate now?
posted by octothorpe at 6:08 PM on July 25, 2016 [7 favorites]


That was truly powerful.
posted by Hairy Lobster at 6:08 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


I dunno, this looks like blatant pandering for the Irish-Nicaraguan-American vote. {/}
posted by zombieflanders at 6:08 PM on July 25, 2016 [6 favorites]


It sure is better to cry from this feeling than how I was crying last week.
posted by mollweide at 6:09 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


Goddamnit my allergies are acting up and someone is cutting onions and i don't know anymore...
posted by ramix at 6:09 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


That was good.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 6:09 PM on July 25, 2016


I'm crying alone in my living room. That woman has more courage than I'll ever have.
posted by bluecore at 6:09 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


Damn. Ms. Somoza following that ad about Trump mocking the reporter with the disability was a gut punch. Fuck that guy so hard.
posted by cobra_high_tigers at 6:09 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


You wouldn't think the actual process of inclusion would be so revolutionary in this day and age but sure enough it is.

Inclusion matter, visibility matters.
posted by vuron at 6:09 PM on July 25, 2016 [31 favorites]


This is the night of dismantling Trump.
posted by mrzarquon at 6:09 PM on July 25, 2016


By the way, for an interesting perspective, I was on Periscope and there were several live feeds from people on the convention floor in Philadephia. Totally grassroots media, unfiltered.
posted by Quiplash at 6:10 PM on July 25, 2016


Coming up, someone who's never made fun of the disabled: Sarah Silverman!
posted by paper chromatographologist at 6:10 PM on July 25, 2016 [10 favorites]


Regarding "Madame President," I think "Ms. President" would be a good analogue to "Mr." Presumably Hillary could choose her own style, since we are in uncharted territory here.
posted by Pallas Athena at 6:10 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


Are they putting band risers up or something?
posted by sideshow at 6:11 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Whoever mentioned or suggested changing to CSPAN, thank you.
posted by cashman at 6:11 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


I think she would pick Madame President. Although Ms. President is good, too. It's all so good.
posted by zutalors! at 6:11 PM on July 25, 2016


I have heard Hillary surrogates say that she really helps people, she really listens, she follows up -- but it is so powerful to have the actual people testify to that in their own words. It is really showing me a side of her I did not know. Makes me even madder and more disgusted with how maligned she is.
posted by madamjujujive at 6:12 PM on July 25, 2016 [10 favorites]


Anastasia Somoza has an SNL connection as well - she took on Amy Poehler over her portrayal of people with CP.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 6:12 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


Are they putting band risers up or something?

Paul Simon's coming up, methinks.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 6:12 PM on July 25, 2016


I've actually got a really nice feed (even over wireless!) coming from www.democonvention.com/live
posted by Mooski at 6:13 PM on July 25, 2016


You wouldn't think the actual process of inclusion would be so revolutionary in this day and age but sure enough it is.

Inclusion matter, visibility matters.


As the dad of a kid with Down syndrome who will be entering the third grade this fall, inclusion is EVERYTHING. When he was able to get health insurance thanks to Obamacare when he was an infant, that was everything. Now that I'm watching him keep up with his classmates in school, inclusion is everything. Was the word uttered even once at the RNC?
posted by vverse23 at 6:13 PM on July 25, 2016 [32 favorites]


Isn't Mrs./Missus a contraction of Mistress? I'd go for Madame, myself.

You wouldn't think the actual process of inclusion would be so revolutionary in this day and age but sure enough it is.

Inclusion matter, visibility matters.

posted by Rainbo Vagrant at 6:13 PM on July 25, 2016


What's wrong with "Madame President"? It's not like it's "Dame President" now that would be inappropriate.
posted by Ndwright at 6:13 PM on July 25, 2016


You wouldn't think the actual process of inclusion would be so revolutionary in this day and age but sure enough it is.

Inclusion matter, visibility matters.


Yes, so very much. That is why all the talk of HRC "pandering" is nonsense. She does listen and she does reach out and she does try to be inclusive. This is why the RNC was such a joke. Oh they tried their best to appear like they were diverse and inclusive but having a gay man up on the stage while the party platform is anit-LGBTQ is perverse.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 6:13 PM on July 25, 2016 [13 favorites]




I have heard Hillary surrogates say that she really helps people, she really listens, she follows up -- but it is so powerful to have the actual people testify to that in their own words. It is really showing me a side of her I did not know. Makes me even madder and more disgusted with how maligned she is.


She's had a LOT of campaign videos that are just someone telling her their story one on one while she nods along and gives them encouragement to keep going, to keep telling, because she hears them and sees them.

I know it's not the sexy stuff of campaigning but listening is really her wheelhouse.
posted by zutalors! at 6:14 PM on July 25, 2016 [9 favorites]


putting ableism on notice like that. "sees me" echoing Loretta Lynch. This is what it is, this is what we're getting and it's pretty fucking amazing. I hope the frustrated bernie delegates are able to understand why this is an historic and defining moment.
posted by Annika Cicada at 6:14 PM on July 25, 2016 [6 favorites]


(Obviously Clinton could pick something else, but I believe "Madam" is the title generally used in English for heads of state from other countries.)
posted by Lyn Never at 6:15 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


What's wrong with "Madame President"?

I look forward to many years of debate on the Frenchness of that e.
posted by rokusan at 6:15 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


Marcia Fudge's interview on PBS is weirdly trying to play both sides to Hillary/Sanders supporters.

"Sure, we all want free tuition, but there's got to be a way to pay for it."

If that's the case, add a plank to the platform to investigate the matter more thoroughly, and come up with proposals for 2020.

The DNC is inexplicably reluctant to acknowledge that it adopted about 80% of what Sanders wanted into its platform (and, for a group of politicians, they aren't doing a great job dodging other 20% -- "We'll look into it" is a much more effective dodge than "Well, isn't that special").

As I've mentioned before, I'm incredibly happy with how the platform is turning out. I genuinely do not understand why the party officials are so bad at delivering the message.

The speakers seem to be doing a great job of tying together a cohesive message in spite of the DNC, not because of it. Thank God they're getting the stage time.
posted by schmod at 6:15 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


Al Franken and Sarah Silverman
posted by mrzarquon at 6:16 PM on July 25, 2016


Mrs/Miss refers to a state of matrimony. Ms is an attempt to cut through that but I've never liked the sound, it's very informal. Madame is far more dignified.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 6:16 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


Isn't Mrs./Missus a contraction of Mistress? I'd go for Madame, myself.

Ms. would be an obvious homegrown alternative.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 6:16 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


I hope the frustrated bernie delegates are able to understand why this is an historic and defining moment.

It might get a little dicey when Elizabeth Warren speaks, since a lot of people (including this one) were hoping for a better female candidate... but they'll get over it, and she'll do.
posted by rokusan at 6:17 PM on July 25, 2016


Who would have thought Sarah Silverman would unify the party truly what did 2016 smoke?
posted by Tarumba at 6:18 PM on July 25, 2016 [19 favorites]


HRM Hillary Clinton obviously guys none of this Madam nonsense
posted by vuron at 6:18 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


This is good. I LIKE this.
posted by Mooski at 6:18 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


"All it takes is everyone" is a nice line.
posted by dersins at 6:19 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


oh damn burnnnnnnn
posted by Foci for Analysis at 6:19 PM on July 25, 2016


Good "it takes a village line" from Sarah Silverman.
posted by zombieflanders at 6:19 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


Well, Silverman just lost Hillary the third grader vote.
posted by tonycpsu at 6:19 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


Sarah Silverman...She's gonna shred everyone in the room dry and wry and leave no one unscathed.
posted by Annika Cicada at 6:19 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


BURN
posted by zombieflanders at 6:19 PM on July 25, 2016


God damn it kind of chaps my ass that the country has been around nearly 250 years and we'll only be settling the proper form of honorific for a woman as the head of state now.

Could always go with "Mx President". Merriam-Webster even put it in the dictionary. But I expect it will be "Madame".
posted by R343L at 6:19 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


MAYBE DON'T BOO.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:19 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


I've never cared for Silverman's comedy but I'm a big fan right now.
posted by gatorae at 6:20 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


This makes me really happy. I'd been sort of afraid Silverman would go Full BoB.
posted by Lyn Never at 6:20 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


What about non gender binary people though, what do we title them

or maybe there is no need for gendering our honorifics
posted by tivalasvegas at 6:20 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


"The only person to be over qualified for the job As President"
posted by mrzarquon at 6:20 PM on July 25, 2016 [9 favorites]


"Hillary heard the passions of the people behind Bernie and brought them into the platform and that is the process of democracy at its best, and it's very good to see. Hillary is our Democratic nominee and I will PROUDLY vote for her." - never thought it would be Sarah Silverman giving a powerful coming together plea, but she's nailing it.

"I will proudly vote for Hillary as I continue to be moved by and inspired by Bernie"
posted by cobra_high_tigers at 6:20 PM on July 25, 2016 [23 favorites]



"The only person to be over qualified for the job As President"


Yes! That is actually true, and indeed required for women.
posted by zutalors! at 6:21 PM on July 25, 2016 [9 favorites]


Ho lee shit
posted by Potomac Avenue at 6:21 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


I was under the impression that Ms. denoted marriage status too, that it was for unmarried adult women.

Speaking of, I have this weird mental stumble about typing e.g. "Mrs. Gillibrand" or "Mrs. Clinton", with women in positions of authority and power. Same thing with fictional characters. I derailed a very long essay wondering about Ms or Mrs. or Dr. Annalise Keating.
posted by Rainbo Vagrant at 6:21 PM on July 25, 2016


MetaFilter: Boo-yah, Baba Booey.
posted by tonycpsu at 6:21 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


"A few years ago she was just a secretary and now she's going to be president."
posted by fedward at 6:21 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


"To the Bernie or Bust people, you are being ridiculous."
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:21 PM on July 25, 2016 [77 favorites]


Hah!
posted by prize bull octorok at 6:21 PM on July 25, 2016


Dayum
posted by sideshow at 6:21 PM on July 25, 2016


oh shit "Can I just say to the Bernie or Bust people - you're being ridiculous." HUGE APPLAUSE
posted by cobra_high_tigers at 6:21 PM on July 25, 2016 [10 favorites]


OH FUCK YES
posted by Mooski at 6:21 PM on July 25, 2016


Silverman: "To the Bernie or Bust people: you're being ridiculous"
posted by zachlipton at 6:21 PM on July 25, 2016 [6 favorites]


THANK YOU!!!
posted by ramix at 6:21 PM on July 25, 2016


Yay Sarah!
posted by homunculus at 6:21 PM on July 25, 2016


Holy shit.
posted by JakeEXTREME at 6:21 PM on July 25, 2016


yessssss
posted by The corpse in the library at 6:21 PM on July 25, 2016


Silverman just won the convention with "you're being ridiculous"
posted by dersins at 6:21 PM on July 25, 2016 [8 favorites]


FUCK YEAH
posted by zombieflanders at 6:21 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


OH NO SHE DIDN'T!
posted by tonycpsu at 6:21 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]



MAYBE DON'T BOO.


If I were there I'd wear my face out counter cheering.
posted by zutalors! at 6:21 PM on July 25, 2016


Bernie or Bust people - you're being ridiculous! <3
posted by triggerfinger at 6:21 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


Calling out the Bernie or Bust people.
posted by mrzarquon at 6:21 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


Go Sarah!
posted by maggiemaggie at 6:21 PM on July 25, 2016


Thank you, Sarah Silverman.
posted by Gaz Errant at 6:22 PM on July 25, 2016


I LOVE SARAH SILVERMAN FOREVER
posted by vverse23 at 6:22 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


OMG
I can't believe Sarah Silverman just went there. "Bernie or Bust people, you're being ridiculous."
posted by Superplin at 6:22 PM on July 25, 2016 [6 favorites]


Holy shit Sarah Silverman, that was awesome.
posted by Special Agent Dale Cooper at 6:22 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Oh, snap.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 6:22 PM on July 25, 2016


Thank God they can fix this in post.
posted by klarck at 6:22 PM on July 25, 2016 [8 favorites]


This wasn't in the script.
posted by zachlipton at 6:22 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


The cheers after "Bernie-or-bust people are being ridiculous" seriously put the volume levels in perspective.
posted by schmod at 6:22 PM on July 25, 2016 [20 favorites]


I mean, Sarah Silverman will fuck you up just with a look.

SHE DID IT.
posted by Annika Cicada at 6:22 PM on July 25, 2016 [8 favorites]


Wow, Sarah Silverman just went ahead and said it. Awesome.
posted by defenestration at 6:22 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Silverman: "Thank god they can fix this in post."
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 6:22 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


"Thank god they can fix this in post"
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 6:22 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


"They made me cut my speech and now we have to stretch."
posted by fedward at 6:22 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


What was that Trump shade - "instead of human touch and coping skills"?
posted by NorthernLite at 6:22 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Holy fuck I love Sarah Silverman so gd much right now
posted by schadenfrau at 6:23 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


Shit man I love it but I feel like that just shattered the goodwill she built up with that speech :(
posted by Rainbo Vagrant at 6:23 PM on July 25, 2016


SS: "We probably can fix this in post"
posted by Annika Cicada at 6:23 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


And the BoB people are slooooowly winding down.
posted by winna at 6:23 PM on July 25, 2016


I don't get second hand embarrassment like ever, and I'm dying inside right now.
posted by cashman at 6:23 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


Dammit mandolin!
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 6:23 PM on July 25, 2016


BEST DAD JOKE BAND INTRO EVER!!
posted by soundguy99 at 6:23 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


Thank God Paul Simon came out.
posted by cashman at 6:23 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


Did I just hear "bullshit" chants?
posted by waitingtoderail at 6:23 PM on July 25, 2016


I'm shocked that they couldn't do a bit better at the improv time-killing bit though. They were sort of dying out there.
posted by tonycpsu at 6:24 PM on July 25, 2016 [6 favorites]


also I forgot I had that huge crush on Sarah Silverman
posted by Rainbo Vagrant at 6:24 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


"To the Bernie or bust people - you're being ridiculous. They told us to stretch so I figured I'd add that." - Sarah Silverman.

LOVE.
posted by dnash at 6:24 PM on July 25, 2016 [26 favorites]


This is the Dad Pun of intro songs.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 6:24 PM on July 25, 2016


Everyone went hushed for Simon!
posted by winna at 6:24 PM on July 25, 2016


The DNC is inexplicably reluctant to acknowledge that it adopted about 80% of what Sanders wanted into its platform... I genuinely do not understand why the party officials are so bad at delivering the message.

Platforms get ignored too often for me to place much faith there, but it's sure nice that it's at least nominally recognized.

I agree they should have spent all day thanking/crediting Sanders for that, before gradually transitioning all attention to Clinton over the next few days. It would have been more gracious and more graceful all at once.
posted by rokusan at 6:24 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


I blame Paul Simon for all of that chaos.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 6:24 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Sarah Silverman is gonna go vape so hard right now. Loved her sass posture after dropping that "Ridiculous" bomb.
posted by JauntyFedora at 6:24 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


That fucking owned.
posted by Annika Cicada at 6:24 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


For those who don't know, Sarah was was in the ICU at Cedars fighting for her life something like 3 weeks ago.
posted by sideshow at 6:25 PM on July 25, 2016 [34 favorites]


If the message is unity, where's Art Garfunkel?
posted by fedward at 6:25 PM on July 25, 2016 [27 favorites]


Is somebody telling the audio operator "Hey, turn up the crowd mics so we can hear the boos more clearly"
posted by schmod at 6:25 PM on July 25, 2016


Jeez, he's no Garfunkel.
posted by Scram at 6:25 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


Goddamn, I cannot get a zinger off first tonight.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 6:25 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


Sarah Silverman is awesome, but I am so ready for all the conventions to just be over.
posted by omredux at 6:25 PM on July 25, 2016


hahah, good song choice paul.
posted by mrjohnmuller at 6:25 PM on July 25, 2016


Presumably a Gore cameo is coming up if he starts into "Call Me Al"
posted by snofoam at 6:26 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


I hope that Sarah is well enough now to have a drink.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:26 PM on July 25, 2016


At first I was thinking Paul Simon-D Illinois but then remembered he died also.
posted by hal9k at 6:27 PM on July 25, 2016


Jesus, techs, throw some reverb on the guy - his voice ain't what it used to be, don't let it just sit out there naked.
posted by soundguy99 at 6:27 PM on July 25, 2016 [14 favorites]


Her social media is going to look like hell on earth.
posted by argybarg at 6:27 PM on July 25, 2016 [13 favorites]


I don't get the NEED to pander so hard to the Burners. I keep hearing about how there should be repeated capitulations to that particular camp, is that really a thing that has ever happened before in the history of Presidential nominations?
posted by JakeEXTREME at 6:27 PM on July 25, 2016 [8 favorites]


My husband just pointed out that Paul Simon isn't wearing an in-ear monitor, which given the obviously cruddy floor monitor situation all day is a pretty baller move. He can hear the piano acoustically but damn, still.
posted by Lyn Never at 6:27 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


wait, wha, why was Sarah Silverman in the ICU??
posted by Don Pepino at 6:27 PM on July 25, 2016


Well after a rocky dare I say typically Democratic start to the convention we seem to be getting things on track.

Hopefully this will put to bed the idea that the BoB contingent are a major component.

They are loud and vocal but they are a small minority. I just wish they could transfer all that passion into building something new and dynamic rather than trying to tear everything down.
posted by vuron at 6:28 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Shoulda done something from his new album.
posted by the bricabrac man at 6:28 PM on July 25, 2016


one person chanting Hillary and another chanting Unity great headlines asshole

Now Paul's croaking out a song off key about peace that is like custom built to piss off non baby boomers. Fuck.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 6:28 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


Don Pepino, she had a really rare infection.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:28 PM on July 25, 2016


he doesn't have the range
posted by DynamiteToast at 6:28 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


and now, the entirety of Rhythm of the Saints
posted by theodolite at 6:28 PM on July 25, 2016 [9 favorites]


I just checked his pitch on my piano and he's busting out non-falsetto F sharps with no problem. Respect.
posted by Pallas Athena at 6:28 PM on July 25, 2016 [6 favorites]


Is somebody telling the audio operator "Hey, turn up the crowd mics so we can hear the boos more clearly"

Someone was saying on Twitter that some of the networks are set up right next to the California delegation which contains some of the most vocal boo-ers, so they get a disproportionate amount of sound from them. I missed the reaction to Sarah Silverman, but I've been watching on the YouTube stream and have barely heard anything in terms of boos since I tuned in a couple hours ago.
posted by Copronymus at 6:29 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


While we are listening to Bridge Over Troubled Waters let me add this to the M___ President discussion. In the South you still hear the honorific Miss (first name) for older ladies that you know (so I am Miss Laura to you youngens) but it is pronounced Miz. This means it sounds just like Ms. Maybe that's why I feel it is a bit informal.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 6:29 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]



Her social media is going to look like hell on earth.


Yeah just went over to her Facebook and the comments on her post about tonight.... ugh.
posted by thefoxgod at 6:29 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


Never heckle a comedian, dumbasses. You almost never come out of it looking like the better person (or people in this case).
posted by zombieflanders at 6:29 PM on July 25, 2016 [6 favorites]


I hate to say it but: keming.
Sarah Sil Verman

ah god. Sorry I'm afflicted with that.

But beyond typography issues: HOLY SHIT. I know that I was prone to emotionality before I was a dad. But this stage, tonight, however choreographed, has been one of the most amazing, inclusive, encouraging, heartening things I've seen in my lifetime. And that includes works of fiction. Which this, as much as we portray it to be, is not. This is actually real. And happening. People championing people.

Imagine that.
posted by rp at 6:29 PM on July 25, 2016 [8 favorites]


And a G. Go Paul!
posted by Pallas Athena at 6:29 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Thank you, Mr. Simon.
posted by TrishaU at 6:29 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Senator Franken tried to force a "Bridge Over Troubled Water" joke, when "Call Me Al" was just sitting there.
posted by enjoymoreradio at 6:30 PM on July 25, 2016 [15 favorites]


Don Pepino: wait, wha, why was Sarah Silverman in the ICU??

Sudden episode of epiglottis, I think.
posted by bluecore at 6:30 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Just remember: Sarah Silverman will fuck you up.
posted by Annika Cicada at 6:30 PM on July 25, 2016




Don Pepino: http://variety.com/2016/biz/news/sarah-silverman-icu-epiglottitis-almost-killed-her-1201809623/
posted by sideshow at 6:30 PM on July 25, 2016


She had epiglottitis.
posted by telegraph at 6:31 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


Could somebody say what songs Paul Simon is playing, for a fan who can't watch live?
posted by Pope Guilty at 6:31 PM on July 25, 2016


Paul's croaking out a song off key about peace that is like custom built to piss off non baby boomers. Fuck.

WUT?

I'm not a Boomer.

I thought he nailed it.
posted by Cookiebastard at 6:31 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


Just Bridge Over Troubled Waters, and it was pretty rough, to be honest.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 6:31 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


Cuomo said all these things? Christ, I've lived in a bubble, Internet or no.
posted by Mooski at 6:31 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


I don't get the NEED to pander so hard to the Burners. I keep hearing about how there should be repeated capitulations to that particular camp, is that really a thing that has ever happened before in the history of Presidential nominations?

I don't see it as pandering to the BoB people in particular, but to the broader group of enthusiastic, generally young, Bernie supporters who are going to be voting for Clinton but are unexcited by it.

A whole lotta young, previously politically disengaged voters got really excited by a more liberal candidate this year, and ignoring that and going on with the status quo risks losing a lot of enthusiasm the dems can tie to themselves in the future.
posted by neonrev at 6:32 PM on July 25, 2016 [12 favorites]


A Mario Cuomo retrospective now.
posted by winna at 6:32 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Yeah, I had no idea about Cuomo. Crying again.
posted by Lyn Never at 6:32 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


He sang Bridge Over Troubled Water, and it made me wish Art was there.
posted by enjoymoreradio at 6:32 PM on July 25, 2016 [7 favorites]


I guess I never heard Cuomo speak, did he grow up on the same street as Al Pacino or something?
posted by sideshow at 6:32 PM on July 25, 2016


Bridge Over Troubled Water
posted by peacheater at 6:32 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


I miss that Cuomo.
posted by octothorpe at 6:32 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


As a naturalized citizen I had never heard Cuomo before. What a lovely man and how ahead of the times he was!
posted by Tarumba at 6:33 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


Haha I wonder if Simons song sounded worse on CSPAN like they just threw a room mic on it and called it a day.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 6:34 PM on July 25, 2016


Eva Longoria: "I'm ninth generation American. My family never crossed a border; the border crossed us."
posted by winna at 6:34 PM on July 25, 2016 [46 favorites]


I wouldn't have picked Sarah Silverman as the one doing the job -- though I expected it would be one of the women on stage tonight -- but she's definitely dealt with worse hecklers in her time.
posted by holgate at 6:34 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


here's hoping trump ends up being "a walnut in the batter of eternity"
posted by murphy slaw at 6:35 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


Actors > Comedians
posted by Potomac Avenue at 6:35 PM on July 25, 2016


You know, if all the Hillary people would just start chanting "Hillary" every time the Bernie people chanted "Bernie," they could take the chant over.
posted by Spathe Cadet at 6:36 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


I was under the impression that Ms. denoted marriage status too, that it was for unmarried adult women.


Nope. MS. was formulated as a specifically non-man dependent honorific for women. Hence Ms. Magazine.
posted by OmieWise at 6:36 PM on July 25, 2016 [15 favorites]


Aren't these people booing loudly and drowning out speakers like, ashamed of themselves? I'm trying to imagine myself at a convention watching someone I don't like get nominated, and I think I'd just sit there grumpily silently harumphing.
posted by (Arsenio) Hall and (Warren) Oates at 6:36 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


"It turns out America is pretty great already."
posted by winna at 6:36 PM on July 25, 2016 [8 favorites]


I guess Aretha wasn't available to do that song? Pity.
posted by uosuaq at 6:36 PM on July 25, 2016


"Guess what Donald, America is pretty great already."

Thank you, Eva Longoria. Sit on it, Donald.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 6:36 PM on July 25, 2016 [11 favorites]


Cory is getting a chant.
posted by mrzarquon at 6:36 PM on July 25, 2016



I don't get the NEED to pander so hard to the Burners. I keep hearing about how there should be repeated capitulations to that particular camp, is that really a thing that has ever happened before in the history of Presidential nominations?

I don't see it as pandering to the BoB people in particular, but to the broader group of enthusiastic, generally young, Bernie supporters who are going to be voting for Clinton but are unexcited by it.


I'm skeptical about this supposedly super liberal great young contingent that's our future. They've grown up saturated in anti Hillary propaganda - some of them were born in the Bill administration. I think they have a warped idea of who she is and have barely looked into her policies.
posted by zutalors! at 6:37 PM on July 25, 2016 [13 favorites]


And here is Cory Booker!
posted by winna at 6:37 PM on July 25, 2016


Oh shit this is gonna be something Bookers on one I can tell.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 6:37 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Simon should have gone with "Late in the Evening"
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 6:37 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


F yeah, Eva!
posted by areaperson at 6:37 PM on July 25, 2016


The bicentennial was forty years ago? I thought for sure his math was wrong, but, nope, I'm just old.
posted by mollweide at 6:37 PM on July 25, 2016 [14 favorites]


I'm honestly kind of surprised that the actor is the one killing it with the speech. Longoria's delivery was incredibly natural, but she doesn't do public speaking on the level of the politicians and comedians the preceded her and kind of scraped by.
posted by indubitable at 6:38 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Reading this long list of prominent Republicans endorsing Clinton, I'm struck by the absence of women. I only see one woman on the whole thing, which is shocking to me.
posted by NortonDC at 6:38 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


"Our founding fathers put forth founding documents that were indeed genius. But they weren't genius because they were perfect."
posted by winna at 6:38 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


Cory does this well.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 6:38 PM on July 25, 2016


Booing again while talking about black civil rights.

This is terrible
posted by Tarumba at 6:39 PM on July 25, 2016 [17 favorites]


Did I hear Paul Simon throw in a "troubled wooder" for Philly?
posted by knuckle tattoos at 6:39 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


"Every generation has successfully labored to make us a more perfect union. Generations of heroic Americans have made our nation more inclusive, more expansive and more just."
posted by winna at 6:39 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


For anyone who didn't sit though the RNC one of the biggest differences is the speakers are coming out sober and happy. Most of the non-political speakers at the RNC came out sounding drunk and angry.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 6:39 PM on July 25, 2016 [12 favorites]


booing the founding fathers heh
posted by angrycat at 6:39 PM on July 25, 2016


Seriously, is that Randy Jackson sitting with Bill Clinton?
posted by Rykey at 6:39 PM on July 25, 2016


Yeah at this point the boo-ers are simply establishing themselves as members of the Asshole Party, nothing else.
posted by (Arsenio) Hall and (Warren) Oates at 6:40 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


I had no idea about Cuomo. Crying again.

I saw Mario Cuomo speak at a stupid hour (UK time) for the 1992 convention, when I was completely new to American election politics, and particularly the rah-rah of conventions -- this was just after Labour's defeat in an election that many people expected them to win, an election where I knocked on a lot of doors -- and it was remarkable to watch.
posted by holgate at 6:40 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


Zutalors, you don't need propaganda or misinformation or any warping to rationalize why young people tend to prefer Sanders to Clinton. The younger generations are much more liberal than the Clintons and those who elected/support them. I mean, they invented triangulation and center-right neoliberalism, and none of that is in fashion anymore.

Being young... well, they're also not particularly patient. It's easy to understand.

If the party and country is going to move left, it'll be those young people, not the Clintons, who drag it there.

(Hopefully with less booing.)
posted by rokusan at 6:40 PM on July 25, 2016 [6 favorites]


Cory Booker is the baddest-ass politician in the country. The BoB's showed him not respect and that's no cool at all.
posted by Annika Cicada at 6:41 PM on July 25, 2016 [6 favorites]


"Rugged individualism didn't defeat the British, get us to the moon, map the human genome... we did that together" - Cory Booker
posted by the turtle's teeth at 6:41 PM on July 25, 2016 [36 favorites]


"You can't love your country without loving your countrymen and countrywomen."
posted by tonycpsu at 6:41 PM on July 25, 2016 [16 favorites]


Invoking 'a more perfect union' is a little on the nose for me. It's like quoting the Gettysburg Address for me at this point.
posted by the_querulous_night at 6:41 PM on July 25, 2016


"This is the high call of patriotism. Patriotism is the love of country, but you can't love your country without loving your fellow countryman and countrywomen."
posted by winna at 6:42 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


> Reading this long list of prominent Republicans endorsing Clinton, I'm struck by the absence of women. I only see one woman on the whole thing, which is shocking to me

How many prominent female Republicans are there?
posted by The corpse in the library at 6:42 PM on July 25, 2016 [9 favorites]



Zutalors, you don't need propaganda or misinformation or any warping to rationalize why young people tend to prefer Sanders to Clinton. The younger generations are much more liberal than the Clintons, who invented center-right neoliberalism.



I actually disagree that Sanders was some super progressive candidate with original ideas.
posted by zutalors! at 6:42 PM on July 25, 2016 [30 favorites]


"You can't love your country without loving your countrymen, and your countrywomen." Preach it, Mr. Booker.
posted by Superplin at 6:42 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


Reading this long list of prominent Republicans endorsing Clinton, I'm struck by the absence of women. I only see one woman on the whole thing, which is shocking to me.

Have you not been paying attention to how badly women who publicly express support for Hillary have been treated? It's one thing for men to express apostasy "just this once", but when women do it it's a whole other level of sexism, misogyny, and abuse.
posted by fedward at 6:42 PM on July 25, 2016 [15 favorites]


Wow, interesting contrast on "love" vs. "tolerance" from Booker. This is cool.
posted by Salieri at 6:42 PM on July 25, 2016 [12 favorites]


They've grown up saturated in anti Hillary propaganda - some of them were born in the Bill administration. I think they have a warped idea of who she is and have barely looked into her policies.

Oh, that's definitely true, but those kids aren't going to be voting for Clinton forever, and it's better for the party to draw them in by at least acknowledging their presence. For a lot of them, they've never had cause to be excited by a platform more than a person, and encouraging the younger democrats to be more liberal rather than more cautious is what gives me hope for my future.
posted by neonrev at 6:43 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


I've seen Booker speak before and he is not doing so well tonight-- he is a bit shouty. Maybe he is wound up with excitement? I just want him to take a few deep breathes and relax a bit. Bring it down a notch before raising the roof.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 6:43 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


"Every American has worth and value. Love recognizes that we need each other."
posted by winna at 6:43 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


"Love recognizes that we need each other. That we as a nation are better together. That when we are divided we are weak. That when we are together we are strong. That when we are indivisible, we are invincible."
posted by tonycpsu at 6:43 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


Booker would have been a great VP pick, but he's got a long future ahead of him.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:43 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Cory Booker: "We are invincible."
posted by rp at 6:43 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


librarina suggests that we're going to be seeing this guy again in, oh, eight years or so.
posted by stet at 6:43 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


Maybe just give Booker his own mic and let him hang out on stage all week. On a couch or something.
posted by Senor Cardgage at 6:43 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


"If you want to go fast, go alone. If you want to go far, go together."
posted by hal9k at 6:44 PM on July 25, 2016 [32 favorites]


Also, I don't care how old or young you are, if you keep hawking a progressive message about only economics, not intersectional/identity politics, you will lose. Especially if we're talking about young people and the future, which will be majority minority.
posted by zutalors! at 6:44 PM on July 25, 2016 [13 favorites]


I've had some issues with Booker but he's being awesome tonight.
posted by octothorpe at 6:44 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


"If you want to go fast, go alone. If you want to go far, go together."

(Crap, too slow. A line so awesome it needed to be said twice.)
posted by Salieri at 6:44 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


I suspect the speakers are raising their voices because what they hear is different than what we hear. We talk louder so we can hear ourselves.
posted by JakeEXTREME at 6:45 PM on July 25, 2016


Reading this long list of prominent Republicans endorsing Clinton

The long list of establishment Republicans defecting to Clinton is both a striking testament to how much of a terrifying agent of chaos Donald Trump is, and a stark reminder that at the end of the day Clinton's chief stakeholders will still include the finance industry, the defense industry, and the energy industry.
posted by threeants at 6:45 PM on July 25, 2016 [6 favorites]


DNC 2016: This Is What America Looks Like, And It's Pretty Swell
posted by mcdoublewide at 6:45 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


librarina suggests that we're going to be seeing this guy again in, oh, eight years or so.

If we do, I hope he gets woke on public education between now and then.
posted by dersins at 6:45 PM on July 25, 2016 [15 favorites]


Can they please fire the sound mixer after tonight? I mean I'm watching the feed straight from the DNC. Why are they keeping the levels from the floor so high? It's super distracting, even without any booing.
posted by (Arsenio) Hall and (Warren) Oates at 6:45 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


"We are not called to be a nation of tolerance. We are called to be a nation of love."

Fuck yeah. The contrast with that RNC shitshow couldn't be more stark.
posted by Cookiebastard at 6:45 PM on July 25, 2016 [10 favorites]


Also, big room. When you speak to a big room, you instinctively try and fill it, no matter how miked you are.
posted by Pallas Athena at 6:45 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Booker has issues around the Newark schools that pisses off school advocates. But he's young and has time to learn from those mistakes.
posted by dw at 6:46 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


"I'm from Jersey" ok get the mop it's about to be curtains son
posted by Potomac Avenue at 6:46 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


I'm from Jersey too, Cory!
posted by mollweide at 6:46 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


Well, I'm from Jersey....
posted by anastasiav at 6:46 PM on July 25, 2016


Seriously where are the Muslim speakers?
posted by Tarumba at 6:46 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


"I'm from Jersey and from the great garden state and we'd seen how he did things at Atlantic City."
posted by winna at 6:46 PM on July 25, 2016


Jersey represent.
posted by defenestration at 6:47 PM on July 25, 2016


Someone was saying on Twitter that some of the networks are set up right next to the California delegation which contains some of the most vocal boo-ers, so they get a disproportionate amount of sound from them.

For what it's worth, I texted my dad about the booing and he said he must have missed it. I think he's the only person I know who's there right now, so I can't get other perspectives. At least from where he is I guess it's not noticeable.
posted by teponaztli at 6:47 PM on July 25, 2016


"in times of crisis, we don't abandon our values, we double down on them"
posted by misskaz at 6:47 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


threeants: The long list of establishment Republicans defecting to Clinton is both a striking testament to how much of a terrifying agent of chaos Donald Trump is, and a stark reminder that at the end of the day Clinton's chief stakeholders will still include the finance industry, the defense industry, and the energy industry.

I don't think you can count Republicans voting across party lines among her "chief stakeholders."
posted by Superplin at 6:47 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


"In times of crisis we don't abandon our values, we double down on them."
posted by winna at 6:47 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


"In times of crisis, we don't abandon our values, we double down on them."
posted by biogeo at 6:47 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


Jersey girl here.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:48 PM on July 25, 2016


c'mon, time to wrap it up
posted by Foci for Analysis at 6:48 PM on July 25, 2016


jinx
posted by biogeo at 6:48 PM on July 25, 2016


Also, big room. When you see a big room, you instinctively try and fill it, no matter how miked you are

Nah, I trust the professionals not to make me look like an idiot. Didn't work in this case.
posted by futz at 6:48 PM on July 25, 2016


Yay, Jersey!
posted by octothorpe at 6:48 PM on July 25, 2016


"Our blessings sprang from ordinary Americans who gave extraordinary acts of kindness and love. I was told we can't pay those Americans back for their colossal acts of service, but we have an obligation to pay them forward."
posted by winna at 6:48 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


"War hawk" chants. Shut up.
posted by Salieri at 6:48 PM on July 25, 2016 [6 favorites]


I've had my issues with Booker in the past, particularly over education, but I agree with dw that he's got time to learn.
posted by mollweide at 6:49 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


What are the shouting in the background?
posted by rmless at 6:49 PM on July 25, 2016


Shouts of "war hawk"
posted by zombieflanders at 6:49 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


So did they use the Wu Tang music from Luke Cage for Cory Booker because damn he's kinda a superhero.
posted by vuron at 6:49 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Seriously where are the Muslim speakers?

The schedule doesn't seem complete so there might be more but I see Khizr Khan scheduled for Thursday.
posted by Hairy Lobster at 6:49 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


On YouTube I'm hearing a small loud band chanting WAR HAWK WAR HAWK.
posted by anastasiav at 6:49 PM on July 25, 2016


What about her nose?
posted by hal9k at 6:50 PM on July 25, 2016


I suspect the speakers are raising their voices because what they hear is different than what we hear. We talk louder so we can hear ourselves.

Politicians are professional speakers-- or they should be. They need to know how to play the audience. Slowing it down, connecting, reading the audience to gauge response. He has a good speech and he should let it out but his voice is already getting raspy because he has been screaming it out. I don't know. Maybe the acoustics are bad in that place, yet Sarah Silverman seemed to have no problem sounding natural.

I realize there is booing, there will be booing in politics. He needs to learn to deal with it.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 6:50 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Hm. So basically they talk over the black people. Got it.
posted by Annika Cicada at 6:50 PM on July 25, 2016 [19 favorites]


Where's the button to favorite what Cory's preaching?
posted by Mooski at 6:50 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


It's so satisfying hearing the chanting assholes give up.
posted by penduluum at 6:50 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


I think the cracking yelling about love is a nice contrast to growly shouting about keeping out brown folks.
posted by ftm at 6:50 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


Someone fill us in what the context of "war hawk" is. For me at least it's nonsensical.
posted by mcstayinskool at 6:51 PM on July 25, 2016


You guys must be watching a different episode of The Bachelorette than I'm currently watching because I'm not following any of this commentary.
posted by bologna on wry at 6:51 PM on July 25, 2016 [20 favorites]


Hm. So basically they talk over the black people. Got it.

Yep. So liberal!
posted by zutalors! at 6:51 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


Jersey high five! I mean I realize these are feel-good platitudes but I like these platitudes and they make me feel good.

Agreed with Secret Life of Gravy about the acoustics.
posted by Rainbo Vagrant at 6:51 PM on July 25, 2016


Can anyone hear what those people are chanting?
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:51 PM on July 25, 2016


who is chanting black lives matter right now and why is it happening
posted by tivalasvegas at 6:51 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


It's so satisfying hearing the chanting assholes give up.

Well, it would be.
posted by Spathe Cadet at 6:51 PM on July 25, 2016


Someone is chanting "Black Lives Matter" over Cory?
posted by mrzarquon at 6:51 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


Chants of Black Lives Matter
posted by peacheater at 6:51 PM on July 25, 2016


Where were the shouters in Cleveland?
posted by rmless at 6:51 PM on July 25, 2016


Black lives matter!
posted by Tarumba at 6:51 PM on July 25, 2016


"Black Lives Matter" now
posted by thefoxgod at 6:51 PM on July 25, 2016


I'm going to say it now. Those chanters chanting now are plants or Trump people or whatever. No group of people who support Black Lives Matter is going to fucking chant over Corey Booker.
posted by cashman at 6:52 PM on July 25, 2016 [11 favorites]


Hm. So basically they talk over the black people. Got it.

Well, the shouters are chanting "Black Lives Matter" now, so, it's complicated
posted by cobra_high_tigers at 6:52 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


"Black lives matter" chant. Actually appropriate chant finally.
posted by biogeo at 6:52 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Being young... well, they're also not particularly patient. It's easy to understand.

People who aren't old enough to have seen optimistic revolutions go terribly bad tend to be more positive about the language of revolution, too. Incrementalism isn't something that seems obvious from the get-go. Speaking personally.
posted by you're a kitty! at 6:52 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


I don't think you can count Republicans voting across party lines among her "chief stakeholders."

The interests they represent-- certainly. They're not leaving Trump because the Republican Party all of a sudden got too bigoted for them (lol), they're leaving because Trump is insane, and Clinton is extremely smart and competent, and will do a better, more predictable job making sure the interests of their sector and of wealthy Americans continue to be pursued.
posted by threeants at 6:52 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Black lives matter chants.
posted by yertledaturtle at 6:52 PM on July 25, 2016


Not over, in support I think
posted by Tarumba at 6:52 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


Idk, the chants from the floor, good and bad, to me, make it feel really exciting.

I'm glad it's not an infomercial. It's full of rowdy and passionate people. I'm liking this.
posted by maggiemaggie at 6:52 PM on July 25, 2016 [12 favorites]


Booker pointed at where I think the chanters are and said something about regarding young protesters with empathy. Ha!
posted by winna at 6:52 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


Black Lives were apparently less important when Elijah Cummings was on stage.
posted by palindromic at 6:52 PM on July 25, 2016 [18 favorites]


Damn Cory finish up your voice, think of your voice.
posted by dis_integration at 6:52 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Where were the shouters in Cleveland?

Onstage
posted by hal9k at 6:52 PM on July 25, 2016 [36 favorites]


Yeah let's mic check the black guy with a "black lives matter" chant. It's sealioning as ideological alignment
posted by penduluum at 6:52 PM on July 25, 2016 [6 favorites]


I hope?
posted by Tarumba at 6:53 PM on July 25, 2016


He's picked up the Obama "lemme tell yah"
posted by mrzarquon at 6:53 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Not over, in support I think

I disagree. Chanting over me isn't supporting me.
posted by cashman at 6:53 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


I read the BLM chant more as with what he was saying rather than over or against it. Maybe I'm too optimistic.
posted by biogeo at 6:53 PM on July 25, 2016


In 2004 when Barack Obama spoke at the DNC I looked at my wife and said "Why isn't this guy running?"

When he ran, I worked my ass off to help get him elected and re-elected.

Watching Booker, I just turned to Mrs. Bastard and said "Why isn't this guy running?"
posted by Cookiebastard at 6:53 PM on July 25, 2016 [18 favorites]


Well I guess some of the BoBs are just frustrated that the PoC are low information voters. If they hadn't been so ignorant maybe they would've voted for the right candidate.

Because honestly the aggressiveness that I'm getting from the BoBs is what I would expect from a party full of drunk frat bros.
posted by vuron at 6:53 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


I like a crowd that can recite poetry along with the speaker
posted by rmless at 6:53 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


No group of people who support Black Lives Matter is going to fucking chant over Corey Booker.

I disagree.
posted by Rykey at 6:54 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


Wow, Booker is on fire.
posted by homunculus at 6:54 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Occasionally I wander from the computer where I'm streaming demconvention.com into the kitchen, where I've just got NPR on the radio (and beers in the fridge), and, okay, the NPR feed is definitely a bit ahead of the video, no problem. But then suddenly they go all Clippy on this shit, like "Hi! It looks like you're trying to listen to Cory Booker! Can I help you decide what to think about that?" JUST THE AUDIO WOULD BE FINE, THANKS.
posted by uosuaq at 6:54 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


I love this speech. Cory Booker is on point.
Twitch isn't picking up the chanting enough to bother me. I do not consider the booing multitude. That is giving them value.
posted by TrishaU at 6:54 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


I actually disagree that Sanders was some super progressive candidate with original ideas.

I... don't remember saying any of that?

Myself, I think he was kind of a quirky odd candidate who got surprisingly far, mainly by coming across as plain and honest. None of his ideas were special, but there's no doubt he's further left than Hillary by just about any measure, and that's what I was speaking to. Younger generations are further left, and would prefer the Democratic party to be much further left, than the Clinton-era DNC-types seem to realize.
posted by rokusan at 6:54 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


I ran out of favorites

I did not know that was a thing

I HAVE SO MANY MORE FAVORITES LEFT TO GIVE
posted by schadenfrau at 6:54 PM on July 25, 2016 [35 favorites]


I've not left the office because I can't stop listening to the speeches.
posted by mrzarquon at 6:54 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


Closer.
(as in CLOZER, not close-r)
posted by rp at 6:54 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


Also, where can I vote for Cory Booker for something

I'll take anything

Prom King?
posted by schadenfrau at 6:54 PM on July 25, 2016 [7 favorites]


Corey Booker, to no surprise, reminding everyone why he should have been the VP candidate.

Next time, I guess.
posted by rokusan at 6:55 PM on July 25, 2016 [7 favorites]


I'm stunned that people are enjoying people screaming over Elijah Cummings Cory Booker. Can minorities ever get their fucking moment? Seriously. White people had their thing last week.
posted by zutalors! at 6:55 PM on July 25, 2016 [10 favorites]


We Will Rise
posted by lazaruslong at 6:55 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


Oh good, I'm not the only one, mrzarquon.
posted by yasaman at 6:55 PM on July 25, 2016


That's right, think of Kennedy. Think of MLK. Now think of me.

(I love Cory, don't get me wrong.)
posted by The corpse in the library at 6:55 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


BRB, going outside to sculpt a Corey Booker statue out of marble.
posted by Senor Cardgage at 6:55 PM on July 25, 2016 [9 favorites]


I'm glad Corey yelled enough to drown out whoever these people are that are getting picked up by the mic.
posted by cashman at 6:55 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


I'm lukewarm on Booker, but this speech has been great.
posted by DynamiteToast at 6:55 PM on July 25, 2016


The floor is packed with people. Booker's Booker is uplifting and inspiring. What a fantastic palate changer.
posted by zarq at 6:56 PM on July 25, 2016


"Cynicism is a refuge for cowards, and this nation is, and must always be, the home of the brave" nice
posted by cobra_high_tigers at 6:56 PM on July 25, 2016 [38 favorites]


"Cynicism is a refuge for cowards." Goddamn yes, Cory Booker.
posted by Superplin at 6:56 PM on July 25, 2016 [14 favorites]


Seriously where are the Muslim speakers?

Keith Ellison is on tonight!
posted by triggerfinger at 6:56 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]


If you want to know about Corey Booker, watch Street Fight
posted by lalochezia at 6:56 PM on July 25, 2016


"Cynicism is a refuge for cowards." FUCK YES
posted by biogeo at 6:56 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


Told y'all this some Hamilton junx rn
posted by Potomac Avenue at 6:56 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]


Cynicism is the refuge of cowards

Boom
posted by Tarumba at 6:56 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]


MSNBC showing Bill Clinton and Bernie Sanders, both realizing they are watching a future President.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:56 PM on July 25, 2016 [19 favorites]


"My fellow Americans, we can no longer feel indifference about this election because the only thing that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing."
posted by winna at 6:56 PM on July 25, 2016 [12 favorites]


> I've not left the office because I can't stop listening to the speeches

I let my children have popcorn and apple sauce and ice cream for dinner because I'm glued to the TV.
posted by The corpse in the library at 6:56 PM on July 25, 2016 [17 favorites]


Bernie's face like a wet weekend
posted by triggerfinger at 6:56 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


The "We Will Rise" speech that will be talked about for some time.
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