“He's done awful things to people and he'll do awful things to you.”
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Split [YouTube] [Trailer] Directed by: M Night Shyamalan. Starring: James McAvoy, Haley Lu Richardson, Brad William Henke. While the mental divisions of those with dissociative identity disorder have long fascinated and eluded science, it is believed that some can also manifest unique physical attributes for each personality, a cognitive and physiological prism within a single being. Though Kevin (James McAvoy) has evidenced 23 personalities to his trusted psychiatrist, Dr. Fletcher (Betty Buckley), there remains one still submerged who is set to materialize and dominate all the others. Compelled to abduct three teenage girls led by the willful, observant Casey (Anya Taylor-Joy, The Witch), Kevin reaches a war for survival among all of those contained within him—as well as everyone around him—as the walls between his compartments shatter apart.
posted by Fizz (142 comments total) 11 users marked this as a favorite
 
Will it be better than 'Raising Cain'?
posted by Jessica Savitch's Coke Spoon at 4:16 PM on July 31, 2016 [2 favorites]


>it is believed that some can also manifest unique physical attributes for each personality,

It is believed (by me, anyway) that the inevitable TWIST! will stretch credulence for this statement waay past the breaking point.
posted by Sing Or Swim at 4:23 PM on July 31, 2016 [39 favorites]


Reposting from an older thread:

Reminds me of the character Susan James (a.k.a. "The Gang") from Blindsight, an induced multiple-personality linguist with at least one persona who has a serious chip on her shoulder about playing games with one's own selves:
"We were probably fractured during most of our evolution," James once told me, back when we were all still getting acquainted. She tapped her temple. "There's a lot of room up here; a modern brain can run dozens of sentient cores without getting too crowded. And parallel multitasking has obvious survival advantages."

I nodded. "Ten heads are better than one."

"Our integration may have actually occurred quite recently. Some experts think we can still revert to multiples under the right circumstances."

"Well, of course. You're living proof."

She shook their head. "I'm not talking about physical partitioning. We're the state of the art, certainly, but theoretically surgery isn't even necessary. Simple stress could do something like it, if it was strong enough. If it happened early in childhood."

"No kidding."

"Well, in theory," James admitted, and changed into Sascha who said, "Bullshit in theory. There's documented cases as recently as fifty years ago. [...] People were fucking barbarians about multicores back then—called it a disorder, treated it like some kind of disease. And their idea of a cure was to keep one of the cores and murder all the others. Not that they called it murder, of course. They called it integration or some shit. That's what people did back then: created other people to suck up all the abuse and torture, then got rid of them when they weren't needed any more."

[...]

Sascha was right; there'd been a time when MCC was MPD, a Disorder rather than a Complex, and it had never been induced deliberately. According to the experts of that time, multiple personalities arose spontaneously from unimaginable cauldrons of abuse—fragmentary personae offered up to suffer rapes and beatings while the child behind took to some unknowable sanctuary in the folds of the brain. It was both survival strategy and ritual self-sacrifice: powerless souls hacking themselves to pieces, offering up quivering chunks of self in the desperate hope that the vengeful gods called Mom or Dad might not be insatiable.

None of it had been real, as it turned out. Or at least, none of it had been confirmed. The experts of the day had been little more than witch doctors dancing through improvised rituals: meandering free-form interviews full of leading questions and nonverbal cues, scavenger hunts through regurgitated childhoods. Sometimes a shot of lithium or haloperidol when the beads and rattles didn't work. The technology to map minds was barely off the ground; the technology to edit them was years away. So the therapists and psychiatrists poked at their victims and invented names for things they didn't understand, and argued over the shrines of Freud and Klein and the old Astrologers. Doing their very best to sound like practitioners of Science.

Inevitably, it was Science that turned them all into road kill; MPD was a half-forgotten fad even before the advent of synaptic rewiring. But alter was a word from that time, and its resonance had persisted. Among those who remembered the tale, alter was codespeak for betrayal and human sacrifice. Alter meant cannon fodder.

Imagining the topology of the Gang's coexisting souls, I could see why Sascha embraced the mythology. I could see why Susan let her. After all, there was nothing implausible about the concept; the Gang's very existence proved that much. And when you've been peeled off from a pre-existing entity, sculpted from nonexistence straight into adulthood—a mere fragment of personhood, without even a full-time body to call your own—you can be forgiven a certain amount of anger. Sure you're all equal, all in it together. Sure, no persona is better than any other. Susan's still the only one with a surname.

Better to direct that resentment at old grudges, real or imagined; less problematic, at least, than taking it out on someone who shares the same flesh.
See also the intriguing speculation in the recent CGPGrey video about split brain surgery patients, suggesting that we harbor a separate, mute intelligence in the nonverbal part of our brains...
posted by Rhaomi at 4:27 PM on July 31, 2016 [33 favorites]


Cf. Identity. I bet the twist is recycled from that film, too.
posted by anotherpanacea at 4:36 PM on July 31, 2016 [3 favorites]


I wish I could get over my skepticism that genuine multiple personality disorder exists. Having dealt with a basket full of mental health issues myself over the years (ADD with associated anxiety and depression; at one point many years ago, a full on psychotic break aggravated by psychedelics and life events), I like to think I'm pretty understanding and compassionate, but most cases of multiple-personality disorder I've looked into always have a whiff of intentional performance to them for me, like when children play pretend.

That said, what's the twist gonna be this time? The guy's not really insane, he just contains multitudes, like Walt Whitman? Or the guy with the disorder isn't actually one guy at all but a cult of people who only believe they're all the same person? Ooh, what a twist!
posted by saulgoodman at 4:52 PM on July 31, 2016 [8 favorites]


FROM THE WRITER OF

STUART LITTLE
THE VILLAGE
LADY IN THE WATER
THE HAPPENING
THE LAST AIRBENDER
AFTER EARTH
posted by beerperson at 4:58 PM on July 31, 2016 [23 favorites]


I saw a preview for this and found it very disturbing. It was an upsetting-looking film.
posted by sockermom at 5:01 PM on July 31, 2016 [1 favorite]


Isn't this the serial killer movie from Adaptation?
posted by kewb at 5:13 PM on July 31, 2016 [24 favorites]


Who keeps actually funding Shyamalan's movies? Did he manage to resurrect his reputation with the first season of Wayward Pines? Or does he hold some sort of hypnotic power that he wields during meetings with studio execs?

I thought he'd started to dig his movie-maker professional grave with The Village, finished the entire pit with Lady In The Water, started throwing dirt on his own coffin with The Last Airbender, and placed his own tombstone with After Earth.

Yet, they still keep giving him money to make movies?

Although I guess the $5mil they gave him for The Visit (never heard of it) yielded nearly $100mil at the box office, so maybe they only let him do tiny movies now.
posted by hippybear at 5:17 PM on July 31, 2016 [12 favorites]


You left off "MeFi favorite," M Night Shyamalan.
posted by dances_with_sneetches at 5:26 PM on July 31, 2016 [2 favorites]


Isn't this the serial killer movie from Adaptation?

I agree with mom. Very taut. Cybil meets, I don't know, Dressed to Kill.
posted by (Arsenio) Hall and (Warren) Oates at 5:32 PM on July 31, 2016 [2 favorites]


Hey!

I liked Stuart Little.
posted by nonasuch at 5:38 PM on July 31, 2016 [6 favorites]


Reading the title, I assumed this was another election thread.
posted by Slinga at 5:41 PM on July 31, 2016 [33 favorites]


I swore I'd never see another Shyamalan movie after After Earth. And also after The Happening. And Unbreakable, now that I think about it.

But The Visit was quite good, and I have no self control, so...
posted by misfish at 5:44 PM on July 31, 2016 [3 favorites]


I think this preview looks good. I'm willing to give it the benefit of the doubt.

For some reason, criticism of Shyamalan, starting with Unbreakable, has gotten increasingly nasty and strangely personal with each succeeding release. There was the whitewashing thing with Last Airbender, and I get why that's bad, but I'm not sure how much of a role Shyamalan had with that. I just wonder why the dogpiling on Shyamalan is the way it is.
posted by KHAAAN! at 5:52 PM on July 31, 2016 [12 favorites]


I'm gonna call it. The twist is that one of his personalities, one which he literally, physically becomes -- the Beast -- is that most feared of monsters: a misanthropic poison tree.
posted by No-sword at 5:56 PM on July 31, 2016 [9 favorites]


Wasn't this the premise for the film starring John Cusack called Identity?
posted by Beholder at 5:56 PM on July 31, 2016


Or maybe Mark Wahlberg. Double twist? Save that for the sequel?
posted by No-sword at 5:57 PM on July 31, 2016


his trusted psychiatrist

Um, just sayin'.
posted by davebush at 5:59 PM on July 31, 2016 [11 favorites]


The funky thing about Identity is that you don't actually know that all the people you're meeting are the multiple personalities of the same guy. They're all just people who are checking into this funky hotel and trying to figure out why they keep disappearing one by one. It's not until about three-quarters of the way through the movie that you suddenly find that out when Cusack's character blinks or something, and finds himself in a room with a psychiatrist and five guys from the DA's office.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 6:01 PM on July 31, 2016


Scary crazy man, frightened vulnerable teenaged girls locked in a basement...this is a joke, right?

How did this get green-lit?
posted by sidereal at 6:03 PM on July 31, 2016 [2 favorites]


>I saw a preview for this and found it very disturbing. It was an upsetting-looking film.

Yeah, an hour and a half of terrified abducted women is not my idea of a relaxing afternoon's entertainment, with or without a clever twist at the end. I'd rather watch Godzilla stomp buildings; it's dumb, but at least it's not problems that anybody actually has. There's some Charles Bukowski poem in which he describes driving home from a movie thinking, "Millions of dollars spent to make something worse than actual life."
posted by Sing Or Swim at 6:04 PM on July 31, 2016 [25 favorites]


After Earth, oof.
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 6:17 PM on July 31, 2016


This movie is like M. Night Shyamalan watched the news coverage of the Ariel Castro kidnappings and was like "quick, get me a copy of the DSM! There's a movie to be made!"

This whole thing is in such poor taste.
posted by sevenofspades at 6:17 PM on July 31, 2016 [18 favorites]


When you make it explicit that the character who's hurting people is doing so because of your fictionalized version of a diagnosis that real people in the real world have? Yeah, no, I'm not checking this one out. This needs to go away as much as the schizophrenic killer who "hears voices telling him to kill". Real human beings get hurt from this kind of thing being the public perception of their conditions. Just because I think it might be "in their heads" doesn't mean I don't like the multiple people I've met just fine, and I respect their choices of pronouns the same way I respect anybody else's, and I don't harbor any fears that they have secret monster personalities. A lot of them have a history of trauma and abuse. Associating their problems with this kind of behavior is not just "problematic". It's horrific.

I'm hoping the twist for this is that the multiple person is not actually the bad guy after all, but in the end, that doesn't really matter if the whole film is marketed based on these tropes.
posted by Sequence at 6:37 PM on July 31, 2016 [39 favorites]


Yet, they still keep giving him money to make movies?

THAT'S THE TWIST
posted by emjaybee at 6:38 PM on July 31, 2016 [36 favorites]


Although I guess the $5mil they gave him for The Visit (never heard of it)

The plot: Kids go to visit their grandparents, whom they've never met, only to find they appear to always be on mushrooms or something. The twist: The grandparents are imposters who escaped from the nearby mental hospital and murdered the real grandparents.

Yeah.

M. Night Shyamalan sure doesn't like mental illness, does he?

This movie is like M. Night Shyamalan watched the news coverage of the Ariel Castro kidnappings and was like "quick, get me a copy of the DSM! There's a movie to be made!"

ya but Tina Fey tho
posted by Sys Rq at 6:41 PM on July 31, 2016 [5 favorites]


TH3 THR33
posted by kittens for breakfast at 6:41 PM on July 31, 2016 [2 favorites]


Twist: The girls don't really exist. I'll bet $100.
posted by Sys Rq at 6:44 PM on July 31, 2016 [9 favorites]


Who keeps actually funding Shyamalan's movies?

All of Shyamalan's movies make money.
posted by deanc at 6:48 PM on July 31, 2016 [3 favorites]


Pause the trailer at 0:07 and tell me John Malkovich Jr. is a good guy. I dare you.
posted by davebush at 6:50 PM on July 31, 2016


The Minds of Billy Milligan?
posted by vrakatar at 6:50 PM on July 31, 2016


All of Shyamalan's movies make money.

The Lady In The Water basically made money as an accounting technicality. But yeah, he does make money, no matter what the word of mouth is about his films.
posted by hippybear at 6:51 PM on July 31, 2016 [1 favorite]


Directed by: M Night Shyamalan

D:
posted by Going To Maine at 6:52 PM on July 31, 2016 [1 favorite]


I got about a minute in and closed the tab. Bleh.
posted by octothorpe at 6:53 PM on July 31, 2016


This looks toxic and terrible. i really like McAvoy's acting, and I've watched many a so-so film because he was in it, but this one won't be happening. Ick.
posted by you're a kitty! at 6:54 PM on July 31, 2016 [4 favorites]


The hidden personality is Bruce Willis. Not the character from any movies, it's just Bruce Willis.
posted by 1adam12 at 6:56 PM on July 31, 2016 [22 favorites]


10 Cloverfield Lane 2: This Time He Wears A Dress And That's Supposed To Be Terrifying Because We Are Awful People
posted by beerperson at 6:57 PM on July 31, 2016 [13 favorites]


My thoughts watching this trailer:

I like James MacAvoy and Anya Taylor-Joy but this is not a good look

OMIGOD IT'S THE 3! THEY FINALLY STRAIGHT-UP MADE THE 3

yo, trans panic is not OK

United States of Tara was really an underrated show and now Brie Larson is a big star just like I always thought she would be, and I kind of wish I was watching that right now instead. Because that is an actual good show about multiple personalities
posted by Nibbly Fang at 7:01 PM on July 31, 2016 [10 favorites]


I liked the Visit a lot but really did not like that the villains had dementia. I know this film is about somebody with a mental illness that doesn't actually exist, but I still think I'll pass. The mentally ill aren't villains and mental illness is not something to be afraid of, and it's about time we let that fucking trope die.
posted by maxsparber at 7:04 PM on July 31, 2016 [11 favorites]


Once again we have another example of how multiple personality disorder is more popular among Hollywood screenwriters than it is among psychiatrists.
posted by deanc at 7:08 PM on July 31, 2016 [11 favorites]


Yeah, I'd be fine with like a 50 year moratorium on movies where a guy kidnaps women and locks them in a basement.

That first movie was solid. The next few were terrible. The rest, I'll just have to take Rotten Tomatoes at their word: 43%, 24%, 18%, 6%, 11%, 64%.
posted by gwint at 7:25 PM on July 31, 2016 [3 favorites]


I just went back to IMDB and looked at the page for The Village (for me, the moment when Shyamalan's career went careening through the guardrail and wound up a flaming heap at the bottom of Quality Gulch. I saw it exactly once, in theatrical release, in 2004. I recalled Sigourney Weaver and William Hurt and Bryce Dallas Howard and vaguely Adrien Brody but all kinds of actors I didn't really know twelve years ago are in there. Jesse Eisenberg! Judy Greer! Michael Pitt! Fran Kranz! Celia Weston! I may have to watch this again.
posted by ricochet biscuit at 7:32 PM on July 31, 2016


Wait how has Crazy Jane not come up yet? She's acknowledged to be inspired by the cited "When Rabbit Howls" and The Body had a power set that incarnated differently with each manifestation. Grant Morrison pre-Vertigo Doom Patrol DC.
posted by Morvran Avagddu at 7:33 PM on July 31, 2016 [4 favorites]


I'm fine with Shyamalan when he's being terrible, predictable, and derivative because I find his movies rather boring, especially with how pretentious they are. It's like he wants to be better than making genre fare. So like, The Village is about modern society, Unbreakable is about superheroes and heroes and man, The Happening is about global warming and karma and whatever, but it's just a candy coating easily scratched off.

I guessed the twist to The Visit very early on and didn't bother watching the rest of it. It was gross, I felt a little sick watching it because it felt so mean and unnecessary. I kept thinking, why can't they just be travelling killers who were surprised and delighted by the prospect of pretending to be grandparents to children they'd eventually kill? That's scarier, right? And it doesn't add to the budged or whatever, just a reworking of the script. But nope, mental patients. That's it. You should be scared of them because they'll hurt you. Disgusting.

It reminds me a little bit of that horror movie Orphan. There were orphanages talking about how movies like that seep into the public conscious and can impact people's attitudes towards adoptions and orphaned kids. And it's like, do you, as an artist, think about the message you're sending out into the world?

At least with this movie the grossness is right out there, in the open. It's practically the selling point of the thing. I'm not going to hold my breath for this one.
posted by Neronomius at 7:37 PM on July 31, 2016 [11 favorites]


Does not this movie use the same "damsel(s) in distress" stichk/theme played over and over again in numerous other movies?
posted by robbyrobs at 7:43 PM on July 31, 2016


Sometimes I wonder what would happen if, for just a little while, like a year? Mainstream entertainment decided to try out doing a pact not to create fiction about people with mental illness that was grossly stereotypical in some way. No crap like this, or inspiration porn, or Crazy Supervillains, just mentally ill people doing literally anything else. Imagine!
posted by ariadne's threadspinner at 7:50 PM on July 31, 2016 [21 favorites]


I really liked Unbreakable and The Visit was pretty good too. Hell, even The Village would have made a great X-Files two-parter. I'll watch this, and I don't care who knows about it.

Also, on the subject of McAvoy, my gf and I enjoyed the heck out of Trance, which we stumbled across by accident.
posted by turbid dahlia at 7:50 PM on July 31, 2016 [2 favorites]


I'm sorry, but how is a trailer release by a mostly mediocre director without context or any story whatsoever render this "best of the web"? Fizz, are you a fan or did you want to see a 5 minute hate for Shyamalan?
posted by benzenedream at 7:51 PM on July 31, 2016 [14 favorites]


Oh great, DID once again is the preferred mental illness for lazy plot twists. Thanks Sequence for sticking up for multiples.
posted by warriorqueen at 7:58 PM on July 31, 2016 [8 favorites]


>> Will it be better than 'Raising Cain'?
Is that even possible?
posted by cleroy at 7:59 PM on July 31, 2016


I agree with benzenedream, this is borderline Shyamalan Blue.
posted by uosuaq at 8:00 PM on July 31, 2016 [2 favorites]


Can I just say? For once. A woman who has the memory of her really completely cool and awesome father, has her finger alongside the trigger-guard of the double-trigger stagecoach gun.

Each shotgun shell is filled with silver and bog iron. She has two of them, side by side. And pockets on her apron, full of shells.

Who's that knocking at my door? I pulled exactly once, now it don't knock no more.

And the rest of the movie is the asshole monster running for its unlife... sending badder and badder dangers at her, which she HANDLES, and what I'm saying I really want American McGee's Alice as a movie. By anyone other than Uwe Bolle. I'll box him if need be.

The linked movie looks awful, tho. I mean, it will be expert in lighting, motion and filming, but it will be one of those movies where you're worse off for seeing it.
posted by Slap*Happy at 8:30 PM on July 31, 2016 [8 favorites]


Not interested in another James McAvoy movie with sexual exploitation, MPD and fugue states (cf Filth).
posted by infinitewindow at 8:51 PM on July 31, 2016


Once again we have another example of how multiple personality disorder is more popular among Hollywood screenwriters than it is among psychiatrists.

But it's Spirit Possession explained by SCIENCE! Think of all the ghost stories you can recycle!
posted by Tell Me No Lies at 9:17 PM on July 31, 2016 [2 favorites]


his trusted psychiatrist

Um, just sayin'.


What?
posted by scratch at 9:19 PM on July 31, 2016 [1 favorite]


enough with The Visit spoilers please!!
posted by emd3737 at 9:22 PM on July 31, 2016 [2 favorites]


Spoilers? The Visit came out a year ago. If you don't want spoilers for a film, stay out of a discussion of the director's collected works.
posted by incessant at 9:28 PM on July 31, 2016 [4 favorites]


I liked The Visit, but do agree that it didn't need to have the mental patient element. He's a technically talented film-maker. That was one of the few found footage movies that I thought was actually well shot. I wish he'd get someone else to write his scripts and just stick to directing.

This trailer doesn't look great. Mentally ill person with schizophrenia has been done and redone in horror, and this doesn't seem to be an improvement on the concept.
posted by codacorolla at 9:29 PM on July 31, 2016 [1 favorite]


From Director M Night Shyamalan

I think there's two specific things about Shyamalan that incite mocking.

First, his scripts started to become predictable as predicated on a surprise plot twist. The whole "what a twist!" thing provides diminishing returns when you know its coming. It was delightful in"Sixth Sense" and "Unbreakable" (which was his best movie, IMO) but its use in each future movie was less impressive and now, even just watching this trailer, everyone is speculating on what the lame twist will be. Other film directors use similar conventions (Tarantino's use of flashback, for example, that often puts events and characters in a different light) but most (including Tarantino) are more artful in their execution.

Second, largely because of the commercials he starred in, he established a reputation of taking himself way, way too seriously. That sort of attitude can work for an auteur director if their work is consistently (or even sporadically) excellent. Because his work hasn't lived up to his level of belief in his ability, he becomes a figure of mockery.

I'd compare him to Jerry Lewis. Lewis made some legitimately excellent movies and was a major innovator at one time, but as his films' quality degraded, the mismatch between the quality of his work and his belief in his own ability rendered him a punchline.
posted by Joey Michaels at 9:33 PM on July 31, 2016 [4 favorites]


Wow. That trailer.

So silly.

So goddamn silly.
posted by wotsac at 9:40 PM on July 31, 2016 [1 favorite]


OMIGOD IT'S THE 3! THEY FINALLY STRAIGHT-UP MADE THE 3

High Tension was The 3, down to a baffling chase scene which couldn't possibly have occurred within the movie's own universe.
posted by Sticherbeast at 9:46 PM on July 31, 2016


Who keeps actually funding Shyamalan's movies?

IMHO the "quality" almost never matters when you talk about popular cinema. Basic competence, of course, is essential but the inherent "good" of a movie is trumped by whether an audience connects with the film and the revenue it ultimately generates. Bums in seats, as we say.

So a possible way to approach that question, why he keeps getting money to make movies, is to compare the box office of his films with estimated budgets. When a film makes its money back via theatrical it is ostensibly a hit, when it fails to do so it is ostensibly a flop. It isn't the best barometer but it does give us a way to approach the question.

So have a look - Shyamalan's Box Office via Box Office Mojo (Those figures do not include ancillary revenue generated via streaming and physical media or other avenues).

Now compare with his estimated budgets (which might be woefully inaccurate):
The Visit (2015) budget $5,000,000 (estimated) - hit
After Earth (2013) budget $130,000,000 (estimated) - flop
The Last Airbender (2010) budget $150,000,000 (estimated) - flop-ish (loads of toys and the like which could inflate the ultimate revenue generated)
The Happening (2008) Budget $48,000,000 (estimated) - hit
Lady in the Water (2006) Budget $70,000,000 (estimated) - flop
The Village (2004) Budget $60,000,000 (estimated) - hit
Signs (2002) Budget $72,000,000 (estimated) - hit
Unbreakable (2000) Budget $75,000,000 (estimated) - hit
The Sixth Sense (1999) Budget $40,000,000 (estimated) - hit

Critically most of these films were reviewed from meh to terrible. But, one thing that box office indicates is that a lot of people around the world are paying to see these films. So there might be a backlash among some segments of the movie going audience to his films but if you look at those box office figures it does seem like a lot of people are still going to see his movies.

To be clear, I find his movies laughable and I find it puzzling that once burned anyone would bother with his gimmicky brand of cinema. But looking at those theatrical revenues... Somebody seems to like Shyamalan.
posted by Ashwagandha at 9:51 PM on July 31, 2016 [1 favorite]


The fact that the villains in The Visit have dementia is not a spoiler. It's revealed early on in the film. It's not a plot twist.
posted by maxsparber at 9:51 PM on July 31, 2016


Oh, hey, look at that. I'd totally erased the fact that I saw High Tension from my mind until just now.

Anyway, there are a few horror movies that I think have handled this tired concept well, but the spoilerific nature of the twist means it's hard to discuss them. One of them was released in 2014 and set in Australia. That largely succeeds because it humanizes the main character who is suffering the break, IMO.
posted by codacorolla at 9:54 PM on July 31, 2016 [1 favorite]


Who said M Night's movies all make money? THE LAST AIRBENDER and AFTER EARTH were both colossal failures. AIRBENDER had a half-decent foreign, but studios don't see nearly as much of that money as they do domestic box office. AFTER EARTH also did a decent foreign, but its domestic was absolutely dismal. And more importantly, all the ancillary revenue streams (your pay cable rates, your basic cable sell-throughs, your DVD multiples and streaming rentals and so on) are echoes of the domestic box office number.

For a movie like AFTER EARTH, with a 120m (give or take) budget, tack on another 80 for the marketing spend, so now you're at 200m before the first ticket is sold. And the take-home is about half of the domestic gross minus whatever Will Smith et al's first dollar percentage is (maybe 2 points, maybe 5). So on a 60m domestic gross, the studio sees 26m of that, and they've spent 200, so they're in the red 174m. And how much of the foreign do they see? Depends on the deals they've made, if they presold, but at a 200m all-in spend, I bet they took a piece instead of presales, so let's say their share of foreign is 40% (which is high), but that's about 73m.

So just my back of the envelope calculations has AFTER EARTH losing 101m - conservatively.

And now we know why Paramount is for sale.

As for why they keep letting M Night make films -- they aren't. Instead, Jason Blum is bankrolling his films wholesale for 5m each. Blum has a thing where he'll give basically any seasoned director 5m to make a genre movie, and they can do just about anything they want (within reason and under budget). This is how you got Joe Carnahan's STRETCH (a wholly strange and sort of worthwhile experiment that Blum hated so he dumped on VOD).

Say what you will about Night, but the dude recognized that he wasn't working well within the studio system (which has changed appreciably since THE HAPPENING) so he's working outside of it with Blum. (Well -- sort of. Blum has a deal at Universal, his money is mostly from Universal, but the studio basically leaves Blum alone.) I would be surprised if Night ever makes another movie for a proper studio.
posted by incessant at 9:55 PM on July 31, 2016 [13 favorites]


Isn't this the serial killer movie from Adaptation?

You jest, but...

I put a movie on the tele a while back and was only paying half attention to it. But something kept nagging at me. Finally a growing sense of horror crept up on me as I recognized what was happening. It was the film Three. Damn me if that isn't exactly the plot of the crappy serial killer movie in Adaptation. Read that synopsis and tell me I'm wrong. I dare you.
posted by Justinian at 9:58 PM on July 31, 2016


Wasn't Adaptation. a movie about a guy who steals orchids? And something about an alligator?

Or is this a different movie entirely?
posted by hippybear at 10:01 PM on July 31, 2016


Charlie Kaufman's (fictional) brother Donald decides to become a screenwriter as well and writes a truly terrible sounding serial killer / split personality screenplay, much to Charlie's disgust. Which then sells for like a couple million dollars. Poor Charlie.
posted by Justinian at 10:05 PM on July 31, 2016 [1 favorite]


It obviously left a deep and profound mark on me, for how well I remember it.
posted by hippybear at 10:06 PM on July 31, 2016 [1 favorite]


As for why they keep letting M Night make films -- they aren't.

When people ask that question they aren't asking "why do the studios give him money to make movies?" they are asking "why is he still making movies?" At least that's how I interpret the question. But yes, you're right After Earth and Last Airbender were huge flops and working outside of the studios make sense as a career move. I'm a bit surprised he hasn't moved to TV instead.
posted by Ashwagandha at 10:07 PM on July 31, 2016


I'm a bit surprised he hasn't moved to TV instead.

Wayward Pines
posted by hippybear at 10:09 PM on July 31, 2016 [2 favorites]


I was thinking more along the lines of random episodes of ongoing shows (where he's not a producer), like a Michael Lehmann or a Kari Skogland.
posted by Ashwagandha at 10:14 PM on July 31, 2016


Those directors do fine financially, but that's a carpenter's job. Night's a creator, a writer-producer-director, and a recognizable brand with fantastic relationships around town, and I bet he made ten times what those two did last year. TV directing, unless you're shooting pilots (and subsequently setting the look and feel of the show as well as cashing an Executive Producer credit and paycheck for every subsequent episode of the series), is not where the big personalities go.
posted by incessant at 10:22 PM on July 31, 2016 [1 favorite]


Welcome to Metafilter, M. Night!
posted by benzenedream at 10:46 PM on July 31, 2016 [10 favorites]


Instead of a movie where 3 teenaged girls have to come to terms with captivity by a complex, domineering, turbulently powerful, supergenius/villain of a captor, and can only save themselves by working as handmaidens to help him to realize his best self, the best self who is struggling to emerge and take control -- and free the girls, natch -- in which the audience identifies with and focusses on the charismatic villain and cheers for him to become that best self, how about a movie where 3 girls are kidnapped by some entitled, sociopathic pond scum and through a combination of teamwork, solidarity, resourcefulness, brilliant strategizing, and grace under extreme pressure, get the upper hand and escape, leaving him so brain-damaged he can't walk or feed himself, and facing a life as an extremely disabled ward of the state?
posted by jamjam at 10:50 PM on July 31, 2016 [19 favorites]


Once again we have another example of how multiple personality disorder is more popular among Hollywood screenwriters than it is among psychiatrists.

To be fair, time travel paradoxes are more popular among Hollywood screenwriters than they are among physicists.
posted by flabdablet at 10:55 PM on July 31, 2016 [4 favorites]


So that is not this Split, a film that came out in the 80's about a person who had his mind altered in some way to cause him to be a social disruptor of sorts.
I would not even know about this film except that I had a bit part in it.
posted by boilermonster at 11:03 PM on July 31, 2016 [3 favorites]


The twist is this is just ep 1 of Unbreakable s3.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 11:25 PM on July 31, 2016 [3 favorites]


> a 5 minute hate for Shyamalan?

Alright, sign me up for an intro session. Ignoring the grar of ruining a beloved TV show, all the brown people being evil?

I don't believe for a second that the director/writer/producer for a movie has zero input on casting choices. You want to be famous and snag credit for three jobs? You might be held responsible for some of the decisions that were made, even if there were 12 other producers on the movie.
posted by fragmede at 11:52 PM on July 31, 2016


The thing is I watch movies not just for then'story' - though that's the motor- but also the whole rest of the thing, the acting, the physical look of the world, the camera work. And mr Shayamalan doesn't really pay out much in any of those ways.
Also the endangered innocent is a weak move. The endangered evil is a better move. The three teenage girls capture Macavoy, take him to a bunker and then Macavoy's different selves fight out wether or not they are even in a bunker, much less whether or not they are
under threat. The girls, meanwhile have to reconcile the monster they have kidnapped with the reality of their teen-girl lives and... so on and so on.
posted by From Bklyn at 12:08 AM on August 1, 2016 [2 favorites]


Mom called it "psychologically taut".
posted by good in a vacuum at 1:12 AM on August 1, 2016 [2 favorites]


a 5 minute hate for Shyamalan?

More like a Two Minutes Meh.
posted by flabdablet at 1:16 AM on August 1, 2016 [11 favorites]


I saw the trailer, and I'm convinced that what the TWIST is going to be is that McAvoy is a werewolf as well as having MPD.

Am I going to see it? Fuck no. I saw 10 Cloverfield Lane and it's going to take a hell of a lot more than McAvoy building an entire bunker by chewing all the scenery to match that.

Is it going to beat The Happening for sheer terribleness? Fuck no. It can't ever beat "Be more scientific, douchebag!"

I kind of get the feeling that, 50 years from now, someone is going to have an amazing film studies PhD based on the trajectory of M. Night. And I hope to god I'm still alive to read that.
posted by Katemonkey at 2:08 AM on August 1, 2016 [2 favorites]


“He's done awful things to people and he'll do awful things to you.”

I initially thought this was another election post.
posted by HuronBob at 3:32 AM on August 1, 2016 [8 favorites]


I love James McAvoy so I'm choosing to believe that a) the last Shayamalan movie he saw was The Sixth Sense and b) he took this script because he's secretly jealous of Tatiana Maslany's ability & opportunity to act out multiple characters in one working day.
posted by wheek wheek wheek at 3:33 AM on August 1, 2016 [6 favorites]


Sad to see in this thread that many mefites are denying the existense of DID? That and Shamylan exploiting DID aren't really helping those who suffer from it. :(
posted by MisantropicPainforest at 3:36 AM on August 1, 2016 [3 favorites]


The twist will be that the beast manifests in the girls. Whether it is one entity between the three or three entities that become one, or one girl kills him and the other two for her survival as the beast, I cannot speculate. But, right now the beast isn't likely him.
posted by Nanukthedog at 4:38 AM on August 1, 2016 [2 favorites]


1. Shyamalan is a pretty good director, but he's inconsistent as a writer.

2. But yeah, I don't need to see more of the "women locked in the basement" trope

3. 10 Cloverfiled Lane was hopefully the last I see of that trope for a while, because it was so very good and ended very well.

4. DID exists, but generally has more to with forgetting things (as different personalities are in charge), not being a kidnapper/murderer/or whatever else Hollywood can dream up.

5. This is not an invitation to debate whether DID exists. Leave your debating skills in your back pocket for some other thread please.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 4:46 AM on August 1, 2016 [2 favorites]


Oh HURRAH, a film that combines my two favorite things: the "terrified women locked in a basement" at risk of or subject to sexual violence trope, and the perpetuation of harmful stereotypes about mental illness.
posted by DarlingBri at 4:51 AM on August 1, 2016 [12 favorites]


I want there to be an actual, literal twist at the end. Like just as the movie reaches its climax, the characters suddenly freeze in their tracks, Chubby Checker starts playing, and everyone inexplicably starts doing the twist. When the song ends, the credits start rolling, with no explanation of what happened or why.

No one will ever see it coming.
posted by dephlogisticated at 5:08 AM on August 1, 2016 [39 favorites]


Will it be better than 'Raising Cain'?

"Hickory dickory dock... Cain has picked his lock."

I loved that movie. Ending scared the shit outta me.
posted by prepmonkey at 5:22 AM on August 1, 2016


I am actually a big Shyamalan fan, especially Unbreakable and The Village. The Visit was a legitimately scary movie in a world where "scary" has otherwise devolved entirely into exorcist/haunting crap and torture porn. I am thoroughly enjoying Wayward Pines. I mostly watch genre stuff, and I like the way he plays with genre.

But I noped out 10 seconds into that trailer when we saw it before Star Trek last week, basically for exactly DarlineBri's two reasons.
posted by hydropsyche at 6:16 AM on August 1, 2016 [1 favorite]


Mod note: A couple of comment deleted. Yeah, let's not derail entirely into an extended DID debate in a movie trailer thread. Thanks.
posted by taz (staff) at 6:18 AM on August 1, 2016


i really hope in twenty years or so we as a culture will look back at movies like this with horror at how we were willing to portray people with mental illness

fuck this movie into the ground
posted by beerperson at 6:43 AM on August 1, 2016 [12 favorites]


Hey while we're all here if you haven't seen The Witch go and watch it. Anya Taylor-Joy was great and the movie was great and this is probably not going to be the best movie to see her in first if you haven't seen her in anything before.

Also The Witch has at least 300% more goat than this. Who doesn't love goats?
posted by phunniemee at 7:05 AM on August 1, 2016 [10 favorites]


The Witch was great, and played with the supernatural/mental illness/cultural construct thing in really interesting ways, even after establishing very early on a world with supernatural magic. A thrilling slow burn of a horror movie.
posted by mediareport at 7:12 AM on August 1, 2016 [5 favorites]


Rhaomi: ... See also the intriguing speculation in the recent CGPGrey video about split brain surgery patients, suggesting that we harbor a separate, mute intelligence in the nonverbal part of our brains...

See also Concept of Internal Cohabitation - previously
posted by memebake at 7:36 AM on August 1, 2016


I am actually a big Shyamalan fan, especially Unbreakable and The Village. The Visit was a legitimately scary movie in a world where "scary" has otherwise devolved entirely into exorcist/haunting crap and torture porn. I am thoroughly enjoying Wayward Pines. I mostly watch genre stuff, and I like the way he plays with genre.

I thought the whole devil thing was over-done (Angel Heart, Devil's Advocate, the Prophecy, etc., etc., etc.), until I saw Devil by Shyamalan. Brilliant film.
posted by prepmonkey at 7:48 AM on August 1, 2016


I haven't seen The Last Airbender or After Earth, but one thing I consistently like is M. Night Shyamalan's storytelling style. I think he has a really good sense of how people interact and connect in real life, and a knack for capturing it convincingly on screen. He's very good at that even when the story he's working with isn't that great.
posted by usonian at 7:55 AM on August 1, 2016 [2 favorites]


Who doesn't love goats?

I don't know. Doth they bring butter?
posted by maxsparber at 7:58 AM on August 1, 2016 [1 favorite]


I do not love goats. I like them, they're a fine species, but there's no deep love there.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 8:17 AM on August 1, 2016 [1 favorite]


The Witch was great until you got up to the last ten minutes, at which point it turned into camp.
posted by pxe2000 at 9:14 AM on August 1, 2016 [1 favorite]


The Witch was great until you got up to the last ten minutes, at which point it turned into camp.

No.
posted by maxsparber at 9:18 AM on August 1, 2016 [8 favorites]


This looks horrible, underlining the lazy trope that people with mental illness must be creeps and killers.

Instead, go read Matt Ruff's excellent Set This House in Order, the greatest book about a romance between two people with multiple personality disorder that you'll read this year. I can't recommend it highly enough.
posted by Ben Trismegistus at 9:21 AM on August 1, 2016 [5 favorites]


To be fair, time travel paradoxes are more popular among Hollywood screenwriters than they are among physicists.

And have you ever tried to get a job or rent an apartment with a time-travel paradox on your resumé? The bigotry is real.
posted by straight at 9:28 AM on August 1, 2016 [6 favorites]


Well, it was.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 9:41 AM on August 1, 2016 [4 favorites]


nonasuch: "I liked Stuart Little."

The phonecall is coming from inside the mouse!
posted by chavenet at 9:42 AM on August 1, 2016 [1 favorite]


There's nothing I love more than being contradicted by a slavering Alex Proyas fanboy.
posted by pxe2000 at 9:55 AM on August 1, 2016


I mean, I somewhat liked Dark City, but a fanboy?
posted by maxsparber at 10:05 AM on August 1, 2016


Fanman? Fanguy? Fanwhateverlabelyoulikewe'renotjudgingyou?

Also, Dark City wasn't very good, though well shot.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 10:13 AM on August 1, 2016


Proyascanatic?
posted by maxsparber at 10:15 AM on August 1, 2016 [1 favorite]


Yeah, not only can I do without ever seeing another Shyamalan film ever again (I'm still enraged at his despicable whitewashing of Avatar), but I could go easily another decade or three before watching yet another sexually victimized woman locked in a basement movie.
posted by sotonohito at 10:27 AM on August 1, 2016 [3 favorites]


I came here to talk about this trailer because Mrs. Mogur asked me to please stop swearing so much in the house, but I see that pretty well everyone here has beaten me to it, so: my apologies to the gaffer, best boy, key grip, etc that I slandered because they worked on this movie. They are not to blame.

What I said about the financiers, writer, director, producer, cast and DP still stand, though.
posted by Mogur at 10:57 AM on August 1, 2016


There was nothing camp that I could see about the ending of The VVitch. It felt inevitable, creepy, and sad.

Dark City was a good movie, and I'll go Thunder Dome with anyone who says otherwise.

I've seen a good portion of Shyamalan's movies. Some are good, some... Not so much. But even the lame ones don't fill me with bile and vitriol for having watched them, as they seem to with a lot of other people. Maybe they feel like Shyamalan just straight up lied to them, as a storyteller, and that's where the resentment comes from? I've seen similar reactions to old Twilight Zone episodes. I don't know, just a theory.
posted by KHAAAN! at 11:02 AM on August 1, 2016 [1 favorite]


There was nothing camp that I could see about the ending of The VVitch. It felt inevitable, creepy, and sad.

What are you talking about? That was a happy ending if I've ever seen one.
posted by phunniemee at 11:09 AM on August 1, 2016 [6 favorites]


I guess it all depends on whether you can eat butter or not.
posted by maxsparber at 11:10 AM on August 1, 2016


Dark City was a good movie, and I'll go Thunder Dome with anyone who says otherwise.

lolwut. Do go on. 🙄😒
posted by pxe2000 at 11:47 AM on August 1, 2016


Dark City was a good movie, and I'll go Thunder Dome with anyone who says otherwise.

Well, sure for the first 15 minutes or so, then it just gets increasingly ridiculous. Just like the Big Lebowski.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 12:02 PM on August 1, 2016


Oh my god.
posted by maxsparber at 12:56 PM on August 1, 2016


Building a good set, hiring good actors, having a good theme and setting a good mood does not necessarily make a good movie.
posted by Nanukthedog at 1:13 PM on August 1, 2016


"All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh-water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?"
posted by KHAAAN! at 1:35 PM on August 1, 2016 [5 favorites]


Oh HURRAH, a film that combines my two favorite things: the "terrified women locked in a basement" at risk of or subject to sexual violence trope, and the perpetuation of harmful stereotypes about mental illness.

Yeah it does seem to be based on a load of tropes that are (a) really old and (b) very unhelpful. I'm not a massive Shyamalan fan but I admit that he does at least try to do things that are different or that use people expectations against them, even if he doesn't always succeed. And trailers can be deceptive. So I'm hoping that the film will somehow take its tropes in a new and more progressive direction. Not sure how that could be done though. But surely Shyamalan will try and make this challenging in some way?
posted by memebake at 3:25 PM on August 1, 2016


Maybe I missed it reading the comments, but I'm going to guess that the twist is that he actually physically integrates the kidnapped ladies into his body in order to gain their consciousness, possibly by morphing into some kind of creepy black creature.

Or maybe this is an alternate script for that Pepe LePew movie.
posted by Dmenet at 3:46 PM on August 1, 2016


As for Dark City I'll make this defense. It's a good movie. It isn't super mega amazing and a classic that people will be studying for decades, it isn't Citizen Kane or Birth of a Nation (the new one I mean).

But it is a good movie. It's entertaining and part of that genre of what might be termed a peek behind the curtain. In general the peek behind the curtain genre doesn't lend itself well to analysis or long portrayals. Keith Laumer loved it, and pulled it off a few times in short stories, but when he tried to make a novel out of it (Dinosaur Beach), it failed on a lot of levels.

Dark City stands as a good movie by itself, the pacing helps ease you past the gaping plot holes and problems with the premise, it'd be horrible as the first part in a series. The Matrix, which is also part of that peek behind the curtain genre, shows why you need to skim past things quickly and stylishly and above all else, no matter how lucrative it seems, never, ever, revisit the world or else the problems you skated past so quickly last time will rise up and turn into a giant pile of glurge that makes the whole thing awful.

Dark City did well with the effects and mood and cinematography, it was well acted for the most part, and the premise wasn't so totally absurd that you laughed at it the first time you encountered it. The big reveal, showing that the city was floating in space, that you couldn't get to Shell Beach because it didn't exist, because the ocean didn't exist, because the sun didn't exist, because all it was was the city floating (flying?) in space without any nearby star, was a good reveal.

The finale came quick on the heels of the big reveal without letting you spend too much time figuring out all the problems with it, the denouement was brief enough to be satisfying for those who like such things (I don't care for denouncements much myself) without dragging you into the morass of all the problems with the movie as a whole.

And besides, William Hurt made it work. The scene along the canal was beautiful.
posted by sotonohito at 4:12 PM on August 1, 2016 [3 favorites]


Dark City didn't do it for me on first viewing.

I mean, I liked it in an eye-rolling sort of way, heavy handed on the message the same way the SF short stories from the '50s that dominated my kid-in-the-'80s reading habits, but didn't love it, until I read one of Ebert's many, many essays on it.

It is legitimately one of his favorite films, and he has seen a lot of films in their first run, and generally has a populist take on movies overall, while being aware and appreciative of art. Dark City hit the sweet spot for him. He goes on at length as to why.

Mostly, on viewing it the second go 'round, I like it because it harkens back to the heavy-handed thematic SF short stories of the '50s, harkens back to an imaginary Great Depression noir chic - Fritz Lang, yo - and everyone acting in it is asked to exceed their level of comfort. Keifer Sutherland failed, and failed in an engaging and endlessly watchable way, because he was legitimately creating a character he wanted to inhabit, but could not. His failure creates a performance that... wow!

TL;DR - Watch it once to see how bad a movie it is. Watch it twice to see how great a movie it is.
posted by Slap*Happy at 7:45 PM on August 1, 2016 [3 favorites]


Watch it once to see how bad a movie it is. Watch it twice to see how great a movie it is.

There are a myriad of movies that fit into this rubric.
posted by hippybear at 8:09 PM on August 1, 2016


Happy Gilmore, The Water Boy and Hotel Transylvania 1&2 yes, everything else... no.
posted by Slap*Happy at 8:28 PM on August 1, 2016


Your dedication to Adam Sandler movies is admirable.

Also, you really had to watch Hotel Transylvania twice to see that it was awesome? WTF?
posted by hippybear at 8:45 PM on August 1, 2016 [1 favorite]


I'm onboard the Love Express to Shell Beach as well. I haven't seen the film in damn near twenty years, though. Maybe it's better without the opening monologue.
posted by infinitewindow at 9:14 PM on August 1, 2016


Duh. The advice for waching Dark City always was to mute the sound until the bathtub (iirc) appears.

If you like it, try The 13th Floor too.
posted by MartinWisse at 9:55 PM on August 1, 2016 [1 favorite]


Dark City was a good movie, and I'll go Thunder Dome with anyone who says otherwise.

Well it does feature a fan keyboard Scandalli accordion playing
detective so thats something!

Actually I don't remember much besides that.
posted by boilermonster at 11:43 PM on August 1, 2016 [1 favorite]


Well it does feature a fan keyboard Scandalli accordion playing
detective so thats something!


For anyone else who was very confused by this early on a Tuesday morning, insert a hyphen between "accordion" and "playing".
posted by Etrigan at 2:39 AM on August 2, 2016 [3 favorites]


Though Kevin (James McAvoy) has evidenced 23 personalities to his trusted psychiatrist, Dr. Fletcher (Betty Buckley), there remains one still submerged who is set to materialize and dominate all the others. Compelled to abduct three teenage girls led by the willful, observant Casey (Anya Taylor-Joy, The Witch), Kevin reaches a war for survival among all of those contained within him—as well as everyone around him—as the walls between his compartments shatter apart.

The twist is Kevin isn't real, Casey has made up all of his personalities and is the criminal mastermind.

I came up with this after I saw the trailer and spun around in an office chair for a minute.
posted by yes I said yes I will Yes at 4:13 AM on August 2, 2016 [3 favorites]


Dark City was a good movie, and I'll go Thunder Dome with anyone who says otherwise.

Oh, you're one of those who think Thunderdome is a good movie?
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 5:33 AM on August 2, 2016 [2 favorites]


That's it, Brandon. I'm giving you a time out.
posted by maxsparber at 6:37 AM on August 2, 2016


Thunderdome is kind of a mess but it's got so much good stuff in it that I still love it.
posted by octothorpe at 6:41 AM on August 2, 2016


I mean, I liked it in an eye-rolling sort of way, heavy handed on the message the same way the SF short stories from the '50s that dominated my kid-in-the-'80s reading habits, but didn't love it, until I read one of Ebert's many, many essays on it.

I watched it on the strength of Ebert's Great Movies essay and still don't see what he saw in it. It just seems like an extended Outer Limits episode.
posted by octothorpe at 6:42 AM on August 2, 2016


MetaFilter: just seems like an extended Outer Limits episode.
posted by hippybear at 6:45 AM on August 2, 2016 [1 favorite]


Avery Edison: "ooh look at me im m. Night shyamalan. torn between a movie that stigmatizes mentalillness & one thats transphobic? lets Split the difference"
posted by WCWedin at 6:47 AM on August 2, 2016


Also, you really had to watch Hotel Transylvania twice to see that it was awesome? WTF?

Sorry what? Having watched both more than once I can say honestly that they have zero redeeming qualities. The first one is a mishmash of bits of other movies that kind of work shoehorned into an overly sentimental, manipulative, cliché-ridden plot. The second Hotel Transylvania movie is barely a movie, it's just a watered down version of the first. Any bits that kind of work are just repeats of bits from the first movie. Mad Monster Party? is twice the movie Hotel Transylvania wants to be.

Speaking of Alex Proyas, his Gods of Egypt is something else and not in a good way.
posted by Ashwagandha at 7:46 AM on August 2, 2016


There was nothing camp that I could see about the ending of The VVitch. It felt inevitable, creepy, and sad.

What are you talking about? That was a happy ending if I've ever seen one.


I would bet if you watch it a second time you see the opposite thing. I watched the movie twice, literally back to back and had opposite feelings about the ending. The second time I felt it was INCREDIBLY scary/creepy.
posted by threeturtles at 9:46 PM on August 4, 2016


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