WONDER - POWER - COURAGE
November 3, 2016 1:08 PM   Subscribe

In the second official trailer for Wonder Woman, Diana of Themyscira takes on "the war to end all wars," and Steve Trevor is the handsomest distressed dude. Here's a trailer breakdown and three new posters!
posted by nicebookrack (82 comments total) 7 users marked this as a favorite
 
There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again.
posted by Sangermaine at 1:11 PM on November 3, 2016 [25 favorites]


Until this trailer (I didn't see BvS), I never thought about Diana having an accent. That's probably because of Lynda Carter and cartoon Wonder Woman, because in hindsight, of course she would have an accent.

The overall presentation in this trailer didn't thrill me as much as the first, but the added material definitely made me even more excited for this film.
posted by scaryblackdeath at 1:12 PM on November 3, 2016 [4 favorites]


(Also once again really, really looking forward to the inevitable explosion of Wonder Woman/Captain America crossover slashfic.)
posted by scaryblackdeath at 1:13 PM on November 3, 2016 [5 favorites]


Wonder Woman/Captain America crossover slashfic

I am 100% on board for any and all Diana/Peggy Carter and Steve Trevor/Steve Rogers romantic adventures.
posted by nicebookrack at 1:16 PM on November 3, 2016 [25 favorites]


Since I missed adding it to the post: Previously, trailer #1 thread.
posted by nicebookrack at 1:17 PM on November 3, 2016 [1 favorite]


I am 100% on board for any and all Diana/Peggy Carter and Steve Trevor/Steve Rogers romantic adventures.

Now now, don't be giving the Whelk any ideas.
posted by Ber at 1:22 PM on November 3, 2016 [5 favorites]


PLEASE don't fuck this up, DC... PLEASE...
posted by mikelieman at 1:24 PM on November 3, 2016 [2 favorites]


Looks entertaining, will go see opening night. Still not crazy about the actress playing the role, but I'd be delighted to be wrong.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 1:29 PM on November 3, 2016


Was that Steve Trevor on the motorcycle? (I couldn't tell.) Because if it was, it deserves a big old "OF COURSE."

I really want to see the mandatory clause in every Chris Pine contract that says "actor must be filmed riding a motobike in every film, regardless if it makes sense to the plot or not."
posted by sardonyx at 1:32 PM on November 3, 2016 [24 favorites]


Even if I didn't like the casting of Gal Gadot - which I do - there are so many other things that could go wrong with this movie that she's the least of my concerns.
posted by komara at 1:32 PM on November 3, 2016


HOW DARE dc wait until zack snyder had thoroughly poisoned the well on their cinematic universe before making a WW movie so now i don't know whether i'm excited
posted by beerperson at 1:32 PM on November 3, 2016 [6 favorites]


aw she's great, it's not her fault she looks like natalie portman! that's why I thought she would be awful before seeing the trailers, but she doesn't come across like a wilted lettuce leaf wearing a cardigan sweater at all, so I was completely wrong.

but I would be a fan of taking whoever you wish had been cast in the role instead and CGI-ing her face on top of Chris Pine's face in post-production. there's probably still time for that.
posted by queenofbithynia at 1:32 PM on November 3, 2016 [1 favorite]


I idolized Lynda Carter's Wonder Woman as a wee kindergartener. I initially scoffed at Gal Godot's casting until she proved to be the best thing about BvS: Superhero Face Punch. So I'll just quietly squee so as not to wake my kids and ditto mikelieman's "Please don't fuck this up D.C. .. "
posted by romakimmy at 1:33 PM on November 3, 2016


Gal Godot as WW is the one thing that went right in BvS.
posted by Bringer Tom at 1:37 PM on November 3, 2016 [6 favorites]


I always remember Gal Gadot from Fast & Furious, and so have no qualms whatsoever about her as Wonder Woman. She's never been a wilting violet – she served two years in the IDF.
posted by fraula at 1:40 PM on November 3, 2016 [4 favorites]


I remember when I first had the "I've got a bad feeling about this" about the remastered Star Wars movies and, consequently, the prequels. Someone from Lucasfilm was at a regional SF con and was pumping the crowd, showing us some behind the scenes stuff of them remastering and teasing us with some info on the prequels. And their example video was X-wings approaching the Death Star in a sort of mob rather than a ultra tidy single file line. And the guy on the radio says "lock S foils into attack position" and they go 1...2.3...4..5 kind of irregularly like that, because you know, reaction time is variable. And there's George, kind of browbeating the animation guy to make them all open at once, like they're the Thunderbirds and have been practicing the photogenic S foils maneuver for months.

Similarly, I have been dreading this movie for sooooo long. Mostly because I knew it was going to be produced by the people who gave us the Batman vs. Superman, Man of Steel, and Green Lantern fiascos and, despite that track record, there was going to be a whole lot of gender politics and criticism of the entire genre hung around this one film's neck.

But, damn, these trailers. I'm really starting to be excited about this.
posted by Kid Charlemagne at 1:41 PM on November 3, 2016 [2 favorites]


After seeing Etta Candy near the end, I am reasonably optimistic, and am also declaring Dietta the OTP that shall rule them all.
posted by Halloween Jack at 1:44 PM on November 3, 2016 [2 favorites]


I want to be Gal Gadot and I also want to kiss Gal Gadot

What do I sign to make both possible
posted by Hermione Granger at 1:51 PM on November 3, 2016 [27 favorites]


PLEASE don't fuck this up, DC... PLEASE...

I suppose there could be a stopped clock/blind hog phenomenon here, but they have yet to make a movie worthy of their heroes in this century, so I'm resigning myself to giving up on them until enough people tell me to give them a second look. Their best movie to date featured a villain whose apocalypse power was sexy dancing in front of floating garbage.

There's always the slim chance that the reviews could prove me wrong. I honestly hope they do.
posted by middleclasstool at 1:54 PM on November 3, 2016 [2 favorites]


This looks much better than the first trailer although I was over the whole "follow the projectile shot" twenty-five years ago when they did it in Costner's Robin Hood.
posted by octothorpe at 1:58 PM on November 3, 2016 [2 favorites]


Unless she's greatly depowered as compared with her appearance in BVS, she's not going to be bothered by bullets, so I'm not sure why she's bothering to stop them with the bracelets. Maybe the bracelets schtick is just what everybody knows about Wonder Woman, so they felt they had to include it; but by that logic she should be twirling around when she changes clothes...

Also, doesn't she have a different accent than all the other Themyscirians? Seems a little odd.

LET THE QUIBBLING BEGIN! I hope she's not making out with Kirk. There's the one bit where it looks like he thinks he's leaning in for the kiss, but she's looking at him like an entomologist who just noticed a big fuzzy moth... I hope they went with that.
posted by Sing Or Swim at 2:07 PM on November 3, 2016 [2 favorites]


Until this trailer (I didn't see BvS), I never thought about Diana having an accent. That's probably because of Lynda Carter and cartoon Wonder Woman, because in hindsight, of course she would have an accent.

Mildly undercut by the fact that Hippolyta(?) doesn't seem to have one...
posted by tobascodagama at 2:11 PM on November 3, 2016


I am 100% on board for any and all Diana/Peggy Carter and Steve Trevor/Steve Rogers romantic adventures.

Steve is a confirmed bachelor, into working out and making sure his apartment is spotless, and Diana is a uh... an Amazon... so, I think we're looking at 'Tales of the City' scenarios here.
posted by ennui.bz at 2:11 PM on November 3, 2016 [9 favorites]


Their best movie to date featured a villain whose apocalypse power was sexy dancing in front of floating garbage.

This is a really weird summary of A History of Violence
posted by beerperson at 2:17 PM on November 3, 2016 [10 favorites]


Unless she's greatly depowered as compared with her appearance in BVS, she's not going to be bothered by bullets, so I'm not sure why she's bothering to stop them with the bracelets.

Inconsistencies about characters who can be threatened by regular bullets but can take a punch from a guy whose fists can level entire buildings is pretty much a comic book trope. It's like blunt damage and piercing damage differ qualitatively rather than quantitatively.
posted by straight at 2:21 PM on November 3, 2016 [2 favorites]


Those are sadamantium bullets. The most depressing alloy in the world.
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 2:29 PM on November 3, 2016 [13 favorites]


With Steve's voiceover about horrible weapons, I think the projectile shot is meant to imply Diana and the Amazons have never seen guns before, hence Diana staring curiously at the bullet while Steve dives to push her down. (That bit is cut oddly, though; I think the Amazon behind her gets shot or Steve has to push Diana down twice.) So the trailer builds from "Diana has never seen bullets" to "Diana easily blocking bullets with her bracelets."

I'm a little morbidly excited about the emphasized evilness of chemical weapons in the setting of World War I. If the movie can depict the effects without traumatizing every small child in the movie theater, seeing mustard gas first used in combat would be a hell of an incentive for Wonder Woman: to set out to protect the wider world and/or go "What the hell is wrong with you people?" to all the World of Man.

While World War II gets more attention in superhero fiction, thanks to its closer historical setting and the conveniently evil Nazi enemies, World War I had the odd juxtaposition of old and brutally new methods of waging war. The scene of Amazon cavalry on the beach is likely meant to emphasize how ancient and old-fashioned the horse-riding Amazons are in comparison to the "modern" soldiers. But horses were still being used by WWI militaries, even while scientists and engineers were inventing new and ghastly ways to horribly kill people in combat.
posted by nicebookrack at 2:29 PM on November 3, 2016 [8 favorites]


Mildly undercut by the fact that Hippolyta(?) doesn't seem to have one...

Most movies are pretty lazy when it comes to accents for characters who would clearly not be speaking English to one another. And this being a comic book movie...
posted by GuyZero at 2:30 PM on November 3, 2016


I hope she's not making out with Kirk. There's the one bit where it looks like he thinks he's leaning in for the kiss

but that's how they say hello on his planet!
posted by biffa at 2:40 PM on November 3, 2016 [4 favorites]


I really want to like this movie, but it just looks so dark. Danny Huston makes me more willing to give it a chance.
posted by The Underpants Monster at 2:40 PM on November 3, 2016




Now now, don't be giving the Whelk any ideas.

Like I need help
posted by The Whelk at 2:42 PM on November 3, 2016 [19 favorites]


Via Twitter: the trailer's quick homage to 1978 Superman.
posted by nicebookrack at 2:43 PM on November 3, 2016 [2 favorites]


Unless she's greatly depowered as compared with her appearance in BVS, she's not going to be bothered by bullets, so I'm not sure why she's bothering to stop them with the bracelets.

This is why.
posted by Faint of Butt at 2:50 PM on November 3, 2016 [35 favorites]


I hope they saved the good parts for the film. I'm kind of underwhelmed, but the lasso parts look really awesome.
posted by cashman at 2:56 PM on November 3, 2016


Don't screw it up, don't screw it up, don't screw it up.....



Spoiler: They're probably going to screw it up.
posted by lumpenprole at 3:02 PM on November 3, 2016


So apparently the villain is going to be Dr. Poison, who is a Marston original... I will be interested to see if they successfully make her into a fully fleshed character... from the trailer, it's hard to say.
posted by LeRoienJaune at 3:21 PM on November 3, 2016


With a handful of exceptions, the comics themselves have largely screwed it up with Wonder Woman since Marston's original run in the 40s. After he and his vision left, the character has floundered for decades, and largely still does. DC doesn't quite know what to do with her.

There have been some good runs that did Wonder Woman justice, but given the DCEU's track record it's hard to believe that the movie is going to get right what the source material hasn't in 75 years.
posted by Sangermaine at 3:29 PM on November 3, 2016 [1 favorite]


I love how even the pre-contact Amazons are grimly happy.
posted by No-sword at 4:13 PM on November 3, 2016 [1 favorite]


There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again.

Sam Houston and Davy Crockett look sternly in your direction. But see here, Mr. Young, Neil, Neil Young, WaterGate does not bother me; Does your conscience bother you?

Things went south? No. They went sideways.
Tuck yourself into your own bed with a blanket statement; you apparently need it. /rhetorical you
posted by lazycomputerkids at 4:34 PM on November 3, 2016


So apparently the villain is going to be Dr. Poison.

Uh oh.
posted by rokusan at 5:00 PM on November 3, 2016 [1 favorite]


I'm excited for the movie but I'll never believe Gal Godot was a good casting choice for WW. I mean what, was Gina Carano unavailable?
posted by Sternmeyer at 5:37 PM on November 3, 2016


I mean what, was Gina Carano unavailable?

damn it now there's another babe on my list
posted by Hermione Granger at 5:39 PM on November 3, 2016


Is Etta Candy going to be a suffragette? If not, I think that'd be a huge wasted opportunity, given that she mentions "not being opposed to a bit of fisticuffs" at the very end of the trailer and the real suffragettes learned jiu jitsu so they could better brawl with cops (!).
posted by mhum at 6:22 PM on November 3, 2016 [5 favorites]


was Gina Carano unavailable?

She was great in Haywire but she's only 5'8".
posted by praemunire at 6:27 PM on November 3, 2016


Ares makes such a natural villain for WWI why would you go with someone else?
posted by benzenedream at 6:45 PM on November 3, 2016 [2 favorites]


The evil general guy is totally going to be Ares in disguise.
posted by nicebookrack at 7:03 PM on November 3, 2016 [2 favorites]


The only thing I am worried about is that all the Amazons will get slaughtered by bullets except Diana and then she will be Yet Another Hero Motivated by Dead Ladies so I hope that most of them survive.

Because I need there to be an island of badass women, ok?
posted by emjaybee at 7:12 PM on November 3, 2016 [6 favorites]


I think she'll be fine as far as the acting goes. I just wish she had some visible muscles in her back.
posted by longdaysjourney at 7:20 PM on November 3, 2016


Ares makes such a natural villain for WWI why would you go with someone else?
posted by benzenedream at 6:45 PM


Come on now, isn't it enough to get a super hero lady movie? Do you want her to beat up men as well (or at least male gods)? Talk about being greedy!

(It wouldn't surprise me to have Ares or Hades show up as well, but I'll doubt they'll telegraph that this early on.)
posted by sardonyx at 7:33 PM on November 3, 2016


Seems obvious to me that WW is DC's Thor.
posted by blue_beetle at 7:47 PM on November 3, 2016


Yeah I apmean most actors are pixie sized and they get along fine.

I liked Chris Braak's pitch for a WW movie taking it from a Captain America place, where the lasso is just as important as the sword (Diana is a diplomat)
posted by The Whelk at 8:23 PM on November 3, 2016 [1 favorite]


Ares makes such a natural villain for WWI why would you go with someone else?

More than any other, The Great War was known for the use of poison gas, so Dr. Poison is a better fit. They'll save Ares for the WW2 sequel.
posted by GhostintheMachine at 8:52 PM on November 3, 2016 [1 favorite]


I mean what, was Gina Carano unavailable?

I enjoyed the hell out of Haywire, but Carano's range goes from A to B... she needs a lot more development to be able to carry Diana.

I'm still a bit bummed that Adrianne Palicki wasn't able to make the role work because she has both the acting chops and the physical presence to carry it off, but Gal Gadot is beginning to convince me. Camera tricks can do a lot, if the actor is good enough.
posted by suelac at 8:53 PM on November 3, 2016 [3 favorites]


(The thing I liked best in the Braak treatment was making Steve Treynor a Quaker battle medic, shield and lasso, not sword.)
posted by The Whelk at 9:05 PM on November 3, 2016 [1 favorite]


RDJ's only 4 foot 5, and he's Iron Man just fine

There's actually three RDJs stacked on one another's shoulders in the Iron Man armor
posted by beerperson at 9:20 PM on November 3, 2016 [11 favorites]


But the whole point of Wonder Woman physically is that she is just this strapping huge Amazon. Darwyn Cooke (RIP) used to draw her as taller than Superman! RDJ's height is basically irrelevant to his being Iron Man. Tony Stark is not, nor is he intended to be, physically imposing.
posted by praemunire at 9:32 PM on November 3, 2016 [1 favorite]


They have heels now.
posted by The Whelk at 9:41 PM on November 3, 2016


If I was going to do anything with Wonder Woman it would be to get rid of the lasso, but only because I'd go full on Retiarius and give her a net and a trident.
posted by Kid Charlemagne at 9:49 PM on November 3, 2016


Watching the trailer again, a couple of things struck me, one contentious, one slightly less so. The less contentious observation first: Even at home, Diana has a permanent slight frown, as though she finds everything a bit confusing and doesn't really know what's going on.

The more contentious one was when it got to the bit of her climbing up out of the trench, especially just before Remembrance Day. Perhaps the meaning of that war is slightly different outside Europe. The trenches were a machine for destroying lives and mangling bodies. It was an industrial war, perhaps the first, and human bodies were the raw material that was fed into the machinery, out of which came... meat, I suppose, and little else. It was a kind of apocalypse. But it was a gendered apocalypse - a generation of young men were sent to the trenches and were torn to pieces or mutilated or driven insane, and the absence of that generation affected European (and particularly British) culture for decades following. I realise the casualties of war are not merely the military (increasingly so in the century since The Great War), but something in the concentration of the armies in one place made that war something that was done to a generation of young men.

When I was a child in the 1970s, the First World War still held the kind of political power that the Holocaust does now - it was still possible to meet men who had been in the trenches, and it was still within lived experience. And it sort of represented almost unimaginable horror. If the Second World War was The Good War, the First was The Bad War, that of unaccountable, self-indulgent generals carelessly destroying lives.

So I wonder about the image of the battlefield and a young woman who would be considered scantily dressed for a beach at that time strolling through it. Obviously, it could turn out to be a remarkable comment on conflict in general and that conflict in particular - but I suspect that it's not going to be.

Personally, with the growth of poppy-fascists, I think it would be a good time for British culture, at least, to get over the First World War - people are keen Never to Forget, but I think they've forgotten exactly what it is that they're trying to remember - but while it still has some currency, it will be interesting to see what the reaction is. At the moment, it seems extraordinarily tasteless to me, but I'm a very bad judge of these things.
posted by Grangousier at 5:11 AM on November 4, 2016 [4 favorites]


Also once again really, really looking forward to the inevitable explosion of Wonder Woman/Captain America crossover slashfic.

There was once a place called Usenet. T'was a wonderful place. Full of wonder and imagination...
posted by Thorzdad at 5:30 AM on November 4, 2016 [1 favorite]


nicebookrack: ...hence Diana staring curiously at the bullet while Steve dives to push her down. (That bit is cut oddly, though; I think the Amazon behind her gets shot or Steve has to push Diana down twice.)

I think it's one sequence, it's just cut to save time in the trailer: Diana knows she's not going to be hit and watches bullet pass, Steve tries to get Diana to the ground, bullet goes by, Steve finishes pushing Diana to the ground, Diana watches outcome of bullet. The confusing part is that Steve is so slow that his protective instinct is incredibly late, but it makes sense from an action point of view. I'm guessing it'll work well when not in the trailer.
posted by clinthowarth at 5:32 AM on November 4, 2016


I enjoyed the hell out of Haywire, but Carano's range goes from A to B... she needs a lot more development to be able to carry Diana.

I would love to see her develop more as an actor. She's great, she's got good screen presence, and I loved her in Deadpool and Haywire, but she needs more to take on leading roles like WW.

But the whole point of Wonder Woman physically is that she is just this strapping huge Amazon. Darwyn Cooke (RIP) used to draw her as taller than Superman!

I loved that too, but I don't know I would call it "the whole point". Height's not a necessary component to being physically impressive-looking. Carano's a great example: not tall by any stretch of the imagination, but she exudes physical strength even when you can't see her muscles. If we were casting purely on physical type, I'd rather see someone that didn't lapse into the traditional gazelle-like notion of feminine beauty than someone who's tall. Someone you're maybe just a little frightened of.

But at that point I start feeling squicked out that I'm judging female casting based on their bodies and I tap out. I did not and may never see BvS, which was a first for me, but I hear Gadot was one of the few good things about it. So I'm rooting for her regardless of size and shape. We need a good woman superhero movie, and I'm glad they didn't cast an American. I hope that Rotten Tomatoes will tell me I'm missing out if I keep up my self-imposed exile from consuming DC products.
posted by middleclasstool at 5:51 AM on November 4, 2016


So, I have never been up on the whole WW mythos, so please excuse my ignorance, but, can someone fill me in here...

There's this (somehow) hidden island populated by (assumedly) almost-immortal amazon warriors. Judging by this trailer, it would appear that these "warriors" have not seen a battle since, roughly, the era of the Battle of Thermopylae. So, all these bullets and exploding thingies appear to be new shit to them.

Had it never occurred to them, at some point over the centuries that, perhaps, they should keep tabs on what's going on in the outside world of mortals? I mean...If they're warriors, wtf do they expect to have to do battle against? Another hidden island of amazon warriors somewhere? And, where the hell is this island that is so remote they never once caught glimpses of modern steamships on the horizon, yet is apparently close enough to modern civilization for a Fokker Eindecker to get to (which had, at best, a 2.5 hr. flying range, when it wasn't burning and crashing.)
posted by Thorzdad at 7:38 AM on November 4, 2016 [1 favorite]


Ah, yes, no. No. It was, as I said, a horrific, cataclysmic atrocity. It's funny how these things differ. Like the Clarkson-esque joke that the reason the U.S. is so bellicose is that they were late for the last two world wars and wanted to be on time for the next one.
posted by Grangousier at 8:12 AM on November 4, 2016


And, where the hell is this island

I believe it has been hidden deep inside a work of fiction
posted by beerperson at 8:15 AM on November 4, 2016 [10 favorites]


Ok, so I'm really hoping the blonde woman is not Hippolyta. Because Diana has lived in this world without men for many centuries. Of course she's going to have romantic entanglements. I really hope this is her ex (or even better, current lover or wife) telling her to go out and kick ass and then come home to her. I'm down with her also being into Chris Pine, but of course WW is going to be attracted to women also. If they make her the first queer superhero I will buy multiple tickets to this movie.

(Of course they aren't, and she is Hippolyta. But I can live in my fantasy that Zach Snyder was stripped of all rights to make movies after Sucker Punch and is currently exiled somewhere where Edison's patents still bar him from touching a camera.)

Also, poison gas had been used in WWI for over two years by the time the US showed up. It's not anything noteworthy at the point in time. The noteworthy invention of the time was the tank. (Which had been around for a year at that point in time, but was only finally being used effectively then.)
posted by Hactar at 8:18 AM on November 4, 2016 [1 favorite]


I really hope this is her ex (or even better, current lover or wife) telling her to go out and kick ass and then come home to her. I'm down with her also being into Chris Pine

I have Conflicted Feelings along these lines, yeah. Because I hope fiercely for a queer movie Wonder Woman AND I still like the romance tease with lovely damsel Steve (in the comics they're fine & onscreen I have a soft spot for Chris Pine) AND I know the odds are better we'll get a straight-up lesbian WW than a non-monogamous WW ("ZOMG WW cheating on [whoever]!!1!").

So the most obvious romantic story beats would be: Diana has never been romantically involved with anyone until Steve The Man shows up (bad), Diana leaves her current girlfriend for manly Steve (bad), Diana's girlfriend is killed or evil so Diana is free to hook up with Steve (BAD), Diana has a visible ex-girlfriend but isn't currently partnered so she's free to hook up with Steve (maybe bad? if ex-GF is portrayed as spiteful about it?).… I'm not sure yet how I expect or want this to play out.

Since at least part of the movie is in modern times (Diana looking at old photos), my current best case scenario is a epilogue like unfrozen Steve Rogers / old Peggy Carter, in which ageless Diana visits makeup-aged Chris Pine and then goes home to her female partner. Because in movies it doesn't count as cheating / doesn't count as dating if one lover is An Old Person. But even this part of the movie will have to be set in flashback unless Steve Trevor is the oldest living WWI veteran.
posted by nicebookrack at 8:50 AM on November 4, 2016 [1 favorite]


Thorzdad,
Generally, the WW mythos has been that the island was under the protection of the Greek gods who kept it hidden from sight of man. Of course that same mystical and magical protection essentially kept the Amazons on the island with little or no way of getting off it. (Both these elements could vary slightly depending on who was writing the books at the time.)
posted by sardonyx at 9:34 AM on November 4, 2016 [1 favorite]


Grangousier
I don't think you're the only one with concerns about Diana being a grumpy, scowling, person in DC's grim-dark universe. That seems to be antithetical to the way she is typically portrayed, but that's about what I expect from current DC movies.
posted by sardonyx at 9:37 AM on November 4, 2016 [1 favorite]


Oh, I'm not concerned about it - I don't think it makes her look bad-tempered. I think it makes her look a bit slow, like she's trying to catch up with what's going on.
posted by Grangousier at 9:49 AM on November 4, 2016


> Was Gina Carano unavailable?

Oh. Nice call. It's hard to get physicality and reasonable acting chops in the same package, but... yeah. That'd work. Surprised someone hasn't locked her down for some comic book franchise yet.

> She was great in Haywire but she's only 5'8".

Tom Cruise is an action hero.
posted by rokusan at 11:42 AM on November 4, 2016


Tom Cruise is an action hero.

But sometimes laughably. It was hard to keep a straight face during Jack Reacher when the tiny fifty-something Cruise single-handedly takes out a whole gang of toughs without breaking a sweat.
posted by octothorpe at 11:53 AM on November 4, 2016 [1 favorite]


Yeah, I've never been more than a casual consumer of superhero comics and their related material, but I always associate Wonder Woman with a certain level of joy in her work. Not the bloodlusty kind of joy where she's happy to see people die and gets off on inflicting pain, but far from a constant angst or bitterness, either. The kind of person who routinely smiles and takes pleasure in the small things in life. And you just don't see that in most superheroes these days
posted by The Underpants Monster at 2:06 PM on November 4, 2016 [1 favorite]


Ya, Tom Cruise as Jack Reacher is almost an insult to viewers - but in common usage when people call someone an 'amazonion' I feel like 'tall' is the first other adjective that gets applied
posted by rosswald at 3:52 PM on November 4, 2016


The kind of person who routinely smiles and takes pleasure in the small things in life. And you just don't see that in most superheroes these days

..Thor likes coffee......
posted by lumpenprole at 4:14 PM on November 4, 2016 [3 favorites]


Had it never occurred to them, at some point over the centuries that, perhaps, they should keep tabs on what's going on in the outside world of mortals? I mean...If they're warriors, wtf do they expect to have to do battle against?

Apparently, mortals whose best weapons are so slow (from the Amazon POV) that they can be dodged while relaxing in a hammock. It's kind of hard to find real fault with that kind of complacency. I don't keep track of what the spiders are doing in my backyard either, even if it's theoretically possible that one of them could bite and hurt me.
posted by No-sword at 4:56 PM on November 4, 2016


Had it never occurred to them, at some point over the centuries that, perhaps, they should keep tabs on what's going on in the outside world of mortals?

The comic books vary a lot about this, but in many versions of the Wonder Woman story, Themyscira (the island of Diana's people) is kind of like Brigadoon - sometimes connected to our world and sometimes existing in a separate dimension or in the realm of the Greek gods, and Wonder Woman's story begins when Themyscira enters a phase of being connected with "man's world" after a long period of separation, so Diana is sent out as an ambassador to see what the men are up to.
posted by straight at 8:16 PM on November 4, 2016 [2 favorites]


On a side note, I thought it was great when Diana snapped Maxwell Lord's neck. It established her more starkly in the trio of her, Batman and Superman- Diana is the one who is more driven to do what needs to be done. Batman and Superman have taboos about killing that she, a hundreds-year old warrior, does not have.

It's a far better look for her than taking the minutes at a Justice Society meeting.
posted by One Hand Slowclapping at 5:54 AM on November 6, 2016


Gal Gadot is the single best person to play Wonder Woman for one simple reason: her name is Gal Gadot. She sounds like the mild mannered alter ego of a super hero. And since her initials aren't LL she won't be dragged into yet another stupid Superman romance.

I know nothing else about Gal Gadot, but she was clearly born to play Wonder Woman.

Also, it's nice to see the bulletproof bracelets being used in an actual protective way. In the old 1970's TV show it seemed that WW had the ability to only block bullets that couldn't possibly hurt her, she was flailing her arms out to her side, above her head, all over the place except in front of her body where you'd think they'd be shooting.
posted by sotonohito at 6:33 AM on November 6, 2016 [1 favorite]


Batman and Superman have taboos about killing that she, a hundreds-year old warrior, does not have.

Well, pre-Snyder anyway.
posted by tobascodagama at 6:37 AM on November 6, 2016


Batman and Superman have taboos about killing that she, a hundreds-year old warrior, does not have.

Frank Miller can really get up my nose, but he can also really turn a phrase. My favorite part of that mostly-regrettable Dark Knight sequel was when Luthor is confronted by the daughter of Superman and Wonder Woman who was raised in secrecy by WW's people.

"I'm not from Kansas, you son of a bitch. I'm an Amazon."
posted by lumpenprole at 10:25 AM on November 7, 2016 [1 favorite]


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