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January 25, 2017 12:16 PM   Subscribe

Mary Tyler Moore has died at the age of 80. Born in Brooklyn in 1936, Moore's screen credits span 60 years, including, of course, the Mary Tyler Moore Show. Mary Tyler Moore was the co-founder of Broadway Barks, which for 17 years has been holding all-star adoption events for homeless pets in midtown Manhattan. Moore won 7 Emmys and was nominated for an Oscar for her 1980 portrayal of an affluent mother in 'Ordinary People.'

Moore was diagnosed with the Type 1 diabetes in 1969 when she was 33 and recovering from a miscarriage, and became a vocal advocate for others with the same disease and for diabetes research. Mary's co-star on the Mary Tyler Moore Show, Grant Tinker, also recently passed away.
posted by roomthreeseventeen (166 comments total) 29 users marked this as a favorite
 
Damn. We might not make it after all.
posted by Sangermaine at 12:17 PM on January 25, 2017 [28 favorites]


Love is all around, no need to waste it.
posted by Melismata at 12:18 PM on January 25, 2017 [12 favorites]


Who can turn the world on with her smile?
Who can take a nothing day, and suddenly make it all seem worthwhile?
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posted by Bee'sWing at 12:19 PM on January 25, 2017 [7 favorites]


What a remarkable woman and what a remarkable life she had. *tosses hat in the sky*
posted by sparkletone at 12:19 PM on January 25, 2017 [7 favorites]


This was THE late-night rerun to watch on TV in my Los Angeles 1970's childhood. So many classic comedy moments on that show.

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posted by DevilsAdvocate at 12:22 PM on January 25, 2017


Don't forget about MTM Enterprises which produced some of the best TV of the '70s and '80s
posted by octothorpe at 12:22 PM on January 25, 2017 [13 favorites]


One error. Grant Tinker was Ms. Moore's second husband, and the co-founder of MTM Enterprises and a television producer. Not her co-star.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 12:22 PM on January 25, 2017 [12 favorites]


I grew up watching MTM on the Mary Tyler Moore Show, but then Ordinary People came out and that Utter Hurricane of a movie made me entirely reassess her. And then later Nick At Night appeared and I discovered her earlier work, and she was just amazing. And not just for her acting but also as a Hollywood mover and shaker.

She laid the groundwork for so many women who are making media today.

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posted by tommasz at 12:28 PM on January 25, 2017


Watching her wash her muscle car in her Fran Tarkenton Minnesota Vikings jersey every week made this middle school boy swoon.

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posted by Smart Dalek at 12:29 PM on January 25, 2017


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Unforgettable achievements, in a world even less forgiving to comediennes. And an iconic silhouette of a haircut.
posted by Countess Elena at 12:29 PM on January 25, 2017 [2 favorites]


I had to check who did win the Oscar for Best Actress in 1981. Sissy Spacek for Coal Miner's Daughter. (Wasn't that impressed, but maybe it's because I thought of Loretta Lynn as a racist being glorified.)

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posted by Chrysostom at 12:29 PM on January 25, 2017


Relevant AV Club article, dissecting the MTMS episode "Chuckles Bites the Dust".

"A little song, a little dance, a little seltzer down your pants..."

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posted by Strange Interlude at 12:30 PM on January 25, 2017 [21 favorites]


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posted by Rob Rockets at 12:30 PM on January 25, 2017


Another entertainment mainstay gone for those born in the 70s. Man, I watched MTM all the time. She was great.
posted by strelitzia at 12:31 PM on January 25, 2017 [2 favorites]


So, is that cute little apartment in Minneapolis available?

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posted by she's not there at 12:32 PM on January 25, 2017 [5 favorites]


I'm warning you, 2017...
posted by 4ster at 12:33 PM on January 25, 2017 [3 favorites]


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Damn it, another part of my childhood laid to rest.

"Chuckles the Clown Mary Tyler Moore brought pleasure to millions. The characters he she created will be remembered by children and adults alike: Peter Peanut; Mr. Fee-Fi-Fo; Billy Banana; and my particular favorite, Aunt Yoo-Hoo. And not just for the laughter they provided—-there was always some deeper meaning to whatever Chuckles Mary did. Do you remember Mr. Fee-Fi-Fo's little catchphrase? Remember how, when his arch-rival Señor Kaboom hit him with a giant cucumber and knocked him down, Mr. Fee-Fi-Fo would always pick himself up, dust himself off, and say, 'I hurt my foo-foo'? Life's a lot like that. From time to time we all fall down and hurt our foo-foos. If only we could deal with it as simply and bravely and honestly as Mr. Fee-Fi-Fo. And what did Chuckles Mary ask in return? Not much. In his her own words, 'A little song, a little dance, a little seltzer down your pants.'"
posted by mosk at 12:34 PM on January 25, 2017 [10 favorites]


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posted by sharp pointy objects at 12:34 PM on January 25, 2017


Not only did I grow up watching the Mary Tyler Moore show, back then as a kid I thought my mom looked a lot like her. (Actually Mom looked even more like her back in the 60s, before I was even born yet.)

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posted by selfmedicating at 12:35 PM on January 25, 2017


Even as a teen in the 90's watching on Nick at Nite, the Mary Tyler Moore Show was relevant. (It's also one of the few things my parents and I can watch together.) It was awesome to see a professional single woman living her life and doing her work unapologetically. She dated, but she wasn't obsessed with finding a man. And when I got my first job as a temp, walking to the office for the first time in downtown San Francisco, I felt the kind of joy to be a part of it all like from the opening credits. To this day, when I feel like I've reached some awesome milestone, I feel the urge to throw my hat in the air. It's silly, but true. And when I got into grad school? I honestly stood at the corner of the square and said to myself, "You're gonna make it after all!"

Thanks, Mare.
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posted by smirkette at 12:35 PM on January 25, 2017 [30 favorites]


I loved her on Dick Van Dyke.

Also, supposedly Mary Richards was originally going to be a divorcee, but the network got feedback that viewers would see her as having "divorced" Dick.


RIP.
posted by jonmc at 12:36 PM on January 25, 2017 [4 favorites]


David Foster Wallace's classic MTM-referencing essay E Unibus Pluram, if you're feeling especially maudlin.
posted by Sonny Jim at 12:38 PM on January 25, 2017 [1 favorite]


Dick Van Dyke and Carl Reiner are still with us. I am keeping an eye on the latter's Twitter feed.
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posted by Lynsey at 12:39 PM on January 25, 2017


My favourite Mary Tyler Moore moment - the eulogy from Chuckles bites the dust


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posted by nubs at 12:39 PM on January 25, 2017 [10 favorites]


Not only did I grow up watching the Mary Tyler Moore show, back then as a kid I thought my mom looked a lot like her.

My mother didn't necessarily look like her, but reviewing family photographs and Mary Tyler Moore reruns side-to-side show that my mother definitely took her as a hair role model, consciously or not.

If either one of her sitcom roles were all she ever did, she'd be a legend; both plus all her other work puts her on another level entirely.
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posted by Samizdata at 12:40 PM on January 25, 2017


Not only did I grow up watching the Mary Tyler Moore show, back then as a kid I thought my mom looked a lot like her.

Did your Dad look just like Buddy Holly?
posted by Strange Interlude at 12:41 PM on January 25, 2017 [22 favorites]


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posted by dannyboybell at 12:42 PM on January 25, 2017


Never mind the series and Ordinary People and all that. Mary Tyler Moore starred in A Change of Habit, the final film in The Elvis Cycle. MTM plays a defrocked (or maybe undercover) nun who falls in love with in-the-ghetto Dr. Elvis and, in the penultimate scene of the final Elvis movie, has to choose between Elvis and God. No spoilers here -- this movie must be seen to be believed.

But really just say 'Mary Tyler Moore' when people say women can't be funny. She could bring the house down with just the slightest hitch in her delivery.
posted by grounded at 12:42 PM on January 25, 2017 [6 favorites]


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MTM on the Dick Van Dyke show was so lovely.
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posted by Radiophonic Oddity at 12:45 PM on January 25, 2017


I started a new job in downtown Minneapolis a few years ago, and one of my colleagues asked me if I'd seen her statue yet. I hadn't - so during lunch I walked over and yes...I threw my hat into the air. I'm sure I'm not the only woman who has stood by the statue and felt a sort of kinship. Apparently lots of people feel this way...hats fly by the statue every day.

Hats off to you, Mary. Love.
posted by Elly Vortex at 12:46 PM on January 25, 2017 [15 favorites]


Coming from Minneapolis, aside from Prince, MTM was an institution there. Everyone seemed to have some story about how they were involved in filming that opening sequence.

She brought feminism to the Midwest and into our living rooms, even in her character's hesitant, self-effacing manner. For me, it was one of the first times I saw an independent woman that wasn't portrayed as a threat. Granted, that's because she was so insecure, but I think her insecurity belied a lot of female fears, so it made it all the more real.

Loved MTM. (insert MTM kitten-meow logo here)
posted by GospelofWesleyWillis at 12:46 PM on January 25, 2017 [6 favorites]


I'm sitting about 2 blocks from where her statue on Nicollet Mall would be, if Nicollet wasn't currently under construction.

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posted by neckro23 at 12:49 PM on January 25, 2017 [2 favorites]


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posted by Bob Regular at 12:49 PM on January 25, 2017


I didn't know there was a statue of her! God that's great.
posted by GospelofWesleyWillis at 12:49 PM on January 25, 2017


I always had a secret crush on Laura Petrie. Yes, I am old.

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posted by jabo at 12:50 PM on January 25, 2017 [7 favorites]


Goddammit, 2017. Don't you dare follow in 2016's footsteps.

Sad news. I was a fan from the days of The DvD Show on through The MTM Show. Such a gifted comedic actress.

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I'll just leave this here...
posted by Thorzdad at 12:50 PM on January 25, 2017 [21 favorites]


Goodbye, Mary. Give Chuckles our regards.
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posted by Ampersand692 at 12:53 PM on January 25, 2017


I'd like to take this opportunity to point out that in US "The Dick Van Dyke Show" is available on Netflix. You will not find anything more purely joyful than any scene in that show where Dick Van Dyke and Mary Tyler Moore dance.

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posted by Ipsifendus at 12:54 PM on January 25, 2017 [11 favorites]


I only found out like three weeks ago that the MTM in MTM Entertainment was for Mary Tyler Moore. Public schools somehow failed me on that one.

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posted by bondcliff at 12:54 PM on January 25, 2017 [3 favorites]


(Dang, Thorzdad...!)

She rather reminded me of my aunts, who were "grown up" women in that day and age, even if they didn't all work downtown MPLS. I thought that most of them were pretty stylin' back then, just like Mary.

My turn to say "I'll just leave this here."
posted by wenestvedt at 12:56 PM on January 25, 2017 [6 favorites]


Thank you, Mary, on behalf of all the little girls who, because of you, grew up thinking they could be and do anything, include being single and not having kids.
posted by Room 641-A at 12:57 PM on January 25, 2017 [28 favorites]


You will not find anything more purely joyful than any scene in that show where Dick Van Dyke and Mary Tyler Moore dance.

I bet to differ. Ted Baxter pleading with Mary to come to her party is more joyful. In a much different way, of course.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 12:57 PM on January 25, 2017 [2 favorites]


Where the statue is now

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posted by ZeusHumms at 12:58 PM on January 25, 2017 [4 favorites]


Classy, spunky, hilarious. She changed and bettered the medium of television

But we must never forget her lecture in Flirting with Disaster on the need for a good bra.
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posted by Splunge at 12:58 PM on January 25, 2017


The Mary Tyler Moore Show was (is) one of my mom's favorite shows. Some of my earliest memories are of me watching reruns of the show with her when it was still in syndication (late 70s/early 80s?), even though I'm sure I didn't understand any of the humor (I remember feeling sad for Ted because everyone was always so mean to him). Rediscovering the show when I was mature enough to get the jokes was a revelation. I sometimes avoid rewatching shows that hold a place of nostalgia for me, since a lot of the TV programs that I have such warm memories of from my youth just don't hold up well at all. Not an issue with The MTM Show, which is still about as perfect a sitcom as has ever aired.

I was in Minnesota in December for work. With a little break between appointments, the guys I was traveling with and I stopped at a Starbucks. As discretely as I could, I looked up the address of Mary's apartment from the show (from the exterior shots) and did a quick Waze search to see how far away we were. We could have made it there in like 10 minutes, but I didn't want these guys to think I was a weirdo. Major regret!!!
posted by The Gooch at 1:00 PM on January 25, 2017 [8 favorites]


Not only did I grow up watching the Mary Tyler Moore show, back then as a kid I thought my mom looked a lot like her...

My mother didn't necessarily look like her, but reviewing family photographs and Mary Tyler Moore reruns side-to-side show that my mother definitely took her as a hair role model, consciously or not...


Mine too! And I can still remember the exact day that changed, when my mom came home from the salon with a new modern hairstyle—the dreaded 1980s perm. I actually cried at the sight of her. (I was probably six.)

(Sorry, mom. You're still beautiful!)
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posted by Flippervault at 1:01 PM on January 25, 2017


Ctrl+F 'seltzer' - 3 matches

That's all I needed.
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posted by suelac at 1:01 PM on January 25, 2017


Goddammit, 2017. Don't you dare follow in 2016's footsteps.

No, see, 2016 let her go so she could live to see the Women's March. I'm glad that she did.
posted by mudpuppie at 1:02 PM on January 25, 2017 [22 favorites]


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posted by jim in austin at 1:02 PM on January 25, 2017


Loved the MTM show reruns as kid. The theme song always made me feel so hopeful.
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posted by doctor_negative at 1:05 PM on January 25, 2017


The house was up for sale last November. Not sure if it's still on the market.
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posted by ursus_comiter at 1:12 PM on January 25, 2017


I have so many great memories of watching her show. And as if her star didn't shine brightly enough, one of the obituaries I read reminded me that her production company was responsible for both "The Bob Newhart Show" and "WKRP In Cincinnati". Remarkable. We'll miss you, MTM.

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posted by AlonzoMosleyFBI at 1:16 PM on January 25, 2017 [2 favorites]


This is helping a tiny bit: Love Is All Around - Hüsker Dü, Joan Jett & The Blackhearts
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posted by Miss Cellania at 1:26 PM on January 25, 2017


Moore's show was one of the few our family gathered for, with us gathered round our mother. It made us (and especially our mother) laugh well and it had some of the few decent roles for women on television. I don't know how much of it would pass the Bechdel test or anything like that these days, but that show was a fine thing for the time.
posted by pracowity at 1:26 PM on January 25, 2017 [1 favorite]


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For a double-dose of nostalgia: MTM narrates The Making of M*A*S*H (SLYT).
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posted by cazoo at 1:30 PM on January 25, 2017


She had spunk.

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I am... really okay with spunk.
posted by Mchelly at 1:31 PM on January 25, 2017 [7 favorites]


Sex and That ’70s Single Woman, Mary Tyler Moore

Had the Pill ever been mentioned in a sitcom script before “Mary Tyler Moore”? If so, the moment has been lost to history. Not long after the same-dress episode, Mary’s father, at loose ends after his retirement, is visiting Mary for dinner at her apartment. Mary’s mother, making her exit, turns at the door. “Don’t forget to take your pill!” she calls out. “I won’t,” father and daughter answer in unison. Cut to the comically guilty look on Mary’s face.

I'm both old enough now and young enough then to remember being scandalized when I understood what this meant in re-runs.
posted by MCMikeNamara at 1:35 PM on January 25, 2017 [16 favorites]


Wow, that Oprah moment is remarkably moving, roomthreeseventeen.

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posted by tzikeh at 1:39 PM on January 25, 2017 [4 favorites]


I watched The Mary Tyler Moore Show with my parents as a kid and didn't understand a lot of the jokes, but I liked the cat at the end. I watched it again a few decades later as a newly-divorced Minneapolitan who lived near Lake of the Isles and worked downtown. It was both an inspiration and a comfort. I used to joke that my old girl cat was Mary and I was Rhoda. (Cat was a ladylike sweetheart, and the dates I went on were terrible.)

Mary Tyler Moore was brains, guts and class all the way through.

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posted by Orange Dinosaur Slide at 1:41 PM on January 25, 2017 [6 favorites]


Mary Tyler Moore broke so many barriers with her show in 1970. Plus, it was funny as hell. I adored her when I was young and continued to have huge respect for her always. RIP

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posted by pjsky at 1:42 PM on January 25, 2017 [2 favorites]


Vibrant, multi-talented, versatile performer. So why is it my immediate memory of her is always this?

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posted by DrAstroZoom at 1:51 PM on January 25, 2017 [2 favorites]


I'm so happy she lived long enough to see the Womens March. I hope she was aware of it. RIP Mare.
posted by yoga at 1:53 PM on January 25, 2017 [4 favorites]


The year is off to a bad start. :( •
posted by Katjusa Roquette at 1:57 PM on January 25, 2017


I've been streaming Dick Van Dyke on Nexflix because it's something I can watch with my kids, and she's just so luminous.
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 1:57 PM on January 25, 2017 [6 favorites]


Mary knew the value of the supporting cast on a 'named star' sitcom (having been the top member of the one for Dick Van Dyke). And she launched or re-launched several careers, from Ed Asner, to Cloris Leachman to Betty Freaking White. And she was a full partner with then-husband Grant Tinker (who passed away two months ago) on the production company that started as a 'vanity label' and grew to the maker of so much quality TV in the 70s and 80s... The Bob Newhart Show (and its follow-up Newhart), Lou Grant, The White Shadow, WKRP, Hill Street Blues, St. Elsewhere, (okay, I'll even throw in) Remington Steele.

Smart. Funny. And yes, Spunky.
posted by oneswellfoop at 2:00 PM on January 25, 2017 [7 favorites]


Awww, damn. I used to watch the Dick Van Dyke show in high school on Nick at Nite in part because she was just so stunning. Like, she was in technicolor on a black and white show.

just so luminous.

Yeah, that.

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posted by lkc at 2:08 PM on January 25, 2017 [2 favorites]


One of my inspirations for getting into the business. If she could do it, I could do it.

2 genius sitcoms, a major production company that turned out some of the best TV ever made, and she was there near the beginning of the medium, too, as a teenager. My first TV job was as a PA on a show she did ~20 years ago, and she was a consummate professional, if not the textbook definition. I raise my glass.

Her legacy as a pioneer of television is secure, no matter what.


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posted by i_have_a_computer at 2:21 PM on January 25, 2017


One of the great all time comic actresses who also could effortlessly pull of drama. How fortunate we all are to have such an amazing body of work from a person who was an absolute master of her craft. That classic (already linked) Chuckles the Clown Eulogy scene is a master class of comedy. Moore was a genius. I mourn her while at the same time congratulating her on a life well lived.

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posted by treepour at 2:27 PM on January 25, 2017


I'm much more upset about this than is logical. As much as I love the MTM show, the moment that can make me smile just thinking about it is from the Dick Van Dyke show, when Dick thinks everyone are aliens, and Laura comes sliding out of the closet on a wave of walnuts...oh, oh, or the time when she wrestled with the inflatable, the scene was apparently improv, and one of the funniest things ever filmed.

She has always been there, a constant reminder of grace under pressure, of the value of a kind word, and the joy of laughter. Godspeed Ms. Moore. Thank you.
posted by SecretAgentSockpuppet at 2:32 PM on January 25, 2017 [11 favorites]


I've been reading "TV: The Book" by Alan Sepinwall and Matt Zoller-Seitz, and there are some really interesting parallels in the careers of Lucille Ball and Mary Tyler Moore. Specifically, both of them had appearances in more than one highly successful show, shows popular enough to have made icons out of both of them.

But even more than their work as actors, both women had influences shaped the television industry, via the programs produced by the companies they founded, in ways that are almost impossible to overstate. It is no exaggeration to say that TV would be unrecognizable today absent their influence.
posted by Ipsifendus at 2:36 PM on January 25, 2017 [7 favorites]


She was a beacon of light and pioneered TV sitcoms on both Dick Van Dyke's show and her own unforgettable MTM show. She is sorely missed.


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posted by Seekerofsplendor at 2:37 PM on January 25, 2017


Oh Mare.

(That Husker Du version of the MTMS theme has been a favorite for ages. Was a time that I put it at end of every mix I made.)
posted by octobersurprise at 2:40 PM on January 25, 2017 [1 favorite]


On a side note, the MTM show had great little feminist subversive moments with Betty White as SueAnn Nivens, The Happy Homemaker, the on-screen stereotypical housewife as hostess, family nurturer and submissive mother/wife figure. But off-screen, SueAnn was fiercely competitive, venal, trashy, slutty, and spiteful. It was a great little upending of a feminine stereotype that women were wrestling with at the time.
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posted by bjgeiger at 3:20 PM on January 25, 2017


Oh god this one really gets me.
I watched MTM Show as a kid when it was originally on in the 70's.
Then when I was in grade 13 they used to show a whole bunch of Mary Tyler Moore episodes at 2am on GlobalTV and I'd watch them every night.
So this is what a weird kid into psychedelia, who hates all the fucking mean preppy snobs in his school and can't wait to leave writes in his 1987 senior year yearbook entry.
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posted by get off of my cloud at 3:30 PM on January 25, 2017


Oh, and in the early 70s, I was a teenager supposed to be out partying and going on dates, but instead I stayed at home in front of the Boob Tube watching the first perfect version of "Must See TV" on CBS: 8:00 All in the Family, 8:30 M*A*S*H, 9:00 Mary Tyler Moore, 9:30 The Bob Newhart Show, 10:00 The Carol Burnett Show. The best of American Culture at the time, with a mostly-non-intrusive laugh track. Mary was the chronological, physical and spiritual centerpiece of that entertainment feast.
posted by oneswellfoop at 3:35 PM on January 25, 2017 [14 favorites]


My mom was the same age and adamant and the dispute that led to both the acquisition of a second car and television was over MTM. I think she took us to see Ordinary People to help prepare us for the divorce. The roles were all drawn and quartered but we saw pieces of ourselves in MTM's role.

We then went to a really nice Chinese place with white tablecloths and red napkins and searing mustard and laughed at the faces we made but we just kept dipping the egg rolls. Which was perfect. Mom answered all of our questions about our brother in a way they had not been answered before. We had lots of questions but kept eating cause it was good and something to do while mom pondered.

MTM wasn't just funny anymore and we'd change the channel if the reruns came on.


Ordinary People

posted by Mr. Yuck at 3:40 PM on January 25, 2017 [2 favorites]


Another piece of my childhood gone.

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posted by TedW at 3:56 PM on January 25, 2017 [1 favorite]


Dick Van Dyke and Carl Reiner are still with us.

And Rose Marie.
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posted by evilDoug at 4:12 PM on January 25, 2017


Oh, Rob ...
posted by ZenMasterThis at 4:37 PM on January 25, 2017 [4 favorites]


I'll always picture her tossing that too-pricey cut of meat into her grocery cart.
posted by bonobothegreat at 4:40 PM on January 25, 2017 [8 favorites]


As far as TV, I only knew her from the Dick Van Dyke show, knew her and loved her. I was then too young to understand that I was seeing a great actress, I think because a great actress inhabits the role -- I didn't see Mary Tyler Moore; I saw Laura Petrie. And I damn sure loved Laura Petrie.

I'd quit watching TV by the time she had her own show, never have seen it.

Then I ran into her in a movie. And she was mind-bendingly great. She was absolutely great in Ordinary People. A fantastic performance. Totally, completely believable. It hurt to see her so brittle, so shattered, so hurt, so determined not to show that she was brittle and shattered and hurt. Also I loathed her for not facing directly into the tragedy in that family, for continually making that tragedy ongoing, not allowing it to heal. For a person to climb so completely into a role that it hooks me that deeply, to where I'm both hurting and loathing, that's really something, the wall disappeared completely and I'm in that flick, and it's MTM that did that.

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That's the first movie that I'd ever seen that showed that hollywood can actually make A Serious Movie. An Intelligent Movie. A Truly Great Movie. It was and still is one of the movies I love most.

I can't say that MTM carried that movie; there were great performances all around. Great actors and actresses, but great actors and great actresses do not a great movie make, there has to be a deft hand steering it and Redford, in his directorial debut, Robert Redford showed us that he has an inner Ingmar Bergman. If you haven't seen this movie, do yourself a favor, give two hours of your life to see it.

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That's pretty much all I know about Mary Tyler Moore, but it's plenty enough. I'm no actor, no director, I'm not close to theater in any way, really, but one thing I heard that makes sense to me is that an actress or actor has to have a huge character inside if they're to give it outside, that they can't give to the screen or the stage what they don't possess. Clearly, Mary Tyler Moore had huge life force. I know that I'm lucky to have been given the gifts she gave to us all.

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Mary Tyler Moore was something else.

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posted by dancestoblue at 4:43 PM on January 25, 2017 [8 favorites]


I'd been watching The Dick Van Dyke over the summer and I need to start again, because she was just amazing in it.

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posted by brujita at 5:16 PM on January 25, 2017


Moore, who died today at the age of 80, was, simply put, one of the greatest and most important stars television has ever produced — and, for that matter, one of the medium’s most important producers. In The Dick Van Dyke Show and The Mary Tyler Moore Show, she starred in two of TV’s best-ever sitcoms, and her production company was responsible for many more classics (including arguably the most influential TV drama of them all: Hill Street Blues). She was a feminist icon, a source of joy, and a tremendous businesswoman. She made it after all, again and again and again.
- Alan Sepinwall, Goodbye To Mary Tyler Moore, One Of TV’s Greatest, Most Important Stars
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posted by Gotanda at 5:23 PM on January 25, 2017


Watched many an episode of the MTM Show with my parents and two sisters in its original run during my pre-teen years. Sad to see her go.

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posted by haiku warrior at 5:26 PM on January 25, 2017


One of my "Damn, I'm getting old" moments happened a few years ago while watching the MTM show and realizing that I was now older than Mr. Grant.

So long Mary, and thanks for everything.
posted by freakazoid at 5:46 PM on January 25, 2017 [3 favorites]


So, we all loved Mary Tyler Moore. Kind of hard not to. But I had this special relationship with her. When I was a kid getting that scary diagnosis of Type 1 Diabetes, they put me in the hospital with a roommate who had just turned 30 and was blind, dying of kidney failure, and wracked with constant pain. The nurses didn't say it in front of her but every time they got me alone they never wasted the opportunity to say that “she had done everything wrong.” But if I “did everything right,”they promised, why, I could be “just like Mary Tyler Moore!”
Now, I knew I couldn't be *just* like Mary Tyler Moore. I wasn't cute or talented, and I didn't even have spunk!* But somewhere deep in my kidbrain the idea somehow got stuck that as long as Mary Tyler Moore was alive and well and okay, there was hope for me, too.
I've shed most of my kidbrain, I hope, but there's still enough of it in there that I felt kind of shaky when I heard the news this morning. Especially since I'm going through another health problem; my sister read me the news while I was in an outpatient unit of a different hospital having an IV treatment.
I know it's selfish to think of another human being as your own personal good luck charm. I guess I'll have to grow up now.


*I did get pretty good at hat-tossing, though.
posted by The Underpants Monster at 5:51 PM on January 25, 2017 [22 favorites]


Someone please put Dick van Dyke in bubble wrap or something.

(I'm not worried about Betty White -- she's going to outlive us all.)
posted by tzikeh at 6:07 PM on January 25, 2017 [3 favorites]


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posted by theappleonatree at 6:13 PM on January 25, 2017


possibly the funniest 1/2 hour to ever air on television (SLDailyMotion)...the last scene floors me every time...you will be sorely missed, Mary Tyler Moore :'(
posted by sexyrobot at 6:14 PM on January 25, 2017


Mary's on Hulu, just in case you wanna watch. In the second episode, she makes bacon curls.

Chicken n' Biscuit crackers, crushed
Bacon, cut strips into thirds

Take the uncooked bacon and cover it with the crushed crackers. Roll up and secure with a toothpick. Place on cookie sheet and cook for 10 minutes at 425 degrees. These can be prepared ahead and placed in a Tupperware container and cooked at a later time.

Rhoda eats all of them because her date shows up with his wife. We miss you already Mary.
posted by valkane at 6:22 PM on January 25, 2017 [2 favorites]


I remember reading that Mary Tyler Moore had to fight to get the producers of The Dick Van Dyke Show to let her wear pants on the show. They wanted young wife Laurie Petrie to wear house dresses. She said, "Well I was a young wife myself, and I wore pants around the house, and so did every other young wife I knew." She got her way, obviously, but the fact that she had to battle over such a trivial thing speaks volumes about the obstacles she must have faced early in her career.

Go in peace, Mary. You made it after all, and we're all the richer for it.
posted by orange swan at 6:23 PM on January 25, 2017 [10 favorites]


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posted by allthinky at 6:30 PM on January 25, 2017


Someone please put Dick van Dyke in bubble wrap or something.

My theory is that he is still on television mainly so people like my 101 year old mother-in-law can watch and say "Him! I know him! He trips over ottomans! His wife wears tight pants!"
posted by jonmc at 6:35 PM on January 25, 2017 [5 favorites]


She's gone to be with Chuckles the Clown.
posted by TheWhiteSkull at 6:47 PM on January 25, 2017 [1 favorite]


In the 80s, WNBC here in New York used to show two reruns of the MTM Show back to back at 1am right after the end of the old Late Night with David Letterman. They showed them in order, and every once in a great long while, a night would come where the very last episode would be followed by the very first as the cycle started again. There was something miraculous about this, like summer solstice at Stonehenge. I had a friend who would call me at 1:01am, just say, "Channel four!" and hang up. I always knew what he meant.

Mary Tyler Moore was a remarkable actress, and that show was as good as television has ever been. I miss her.
posted by How the runs scored at 7:08 PM on January 25, 2017 [6 favorites]


I watched ab awful lot of the MTM show back in the '70s when I was a kid, and in reruns later on that decade. It's amazing how much of the humour was targeted at adults, insofar as how the adult world actually behaved, which you don't quite get as a kid. She was an indelible part of that time in m life, and I am thankful for what she put out into the world.

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posted by Phlegmco(tm) at 7:30 PM on January 25, 2017


So, 2017 is taking beloved idols at the end of their normal human lifespan to a peaceful passing...

Kinda OK with this. Also, she was a comedic genius, right up there with Lucille Ball. MTM worked with Dick Van Dyke as an essential element of his show, and could more than hold her own as a lead in a workplace sitcom in her own series.

You're gonna make it after all...

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posted by Fenriss at 8:33 PM on January 25, 2017


I grew up in L.A. and Mary Tyler Moore was the first celebrity I vividly remember seeing in real life, in the old Brentano's bookstore on the first floor of the Beverly Hills Hotel ca. 1977, where for some reason my dad took his kids every xmas eve. I'd been watching her for what then seemed my entire lifetime as Mary Richards, on tv Saturday nights, with my mom - IIRC, her show was before Bob Newhart, who was before the Carol Burnett show; is that right? Anyway it was the first time I realized that screen people look totally different in real life. It was sort of a shock to see this veryvery thin woman with weird skin who looked so much older than she did on tv! She was laughing and engaging with people; she seemed joyous.
posted by goofyfoot at 8:35 PM on January 25, 2017 [3 favorites]


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posted by pjmoy at 8:55 PM on January 25, 2017


IIRC, her show was before Bob Newhart, who was before the Carol Burnett show; is that right?

That's correct for most of the show's run, yes. The Mary Tyler Moore Show was on for seven seasons, as follows (times ET):
1970-1: Saturday, 9:30. Followed by Mannix.
1971-2: Saturday, 9:30. Followed by Mission: Impossible.
1972-3: Saturday, 9:00. Followed by The Bob Newhart Show, which was followed either by Mission: Impossible or The Carol Burnett Show.
1973-4: Saturday, 9:00. Followed by The Bob Newhart Show, which was followed either by Barnaby Jones or The Carol Burnett Show.
1974-5: Saturday, 9:00. Followed by The Bob Newhart Show, which was followed by either The Carol Burnett Show or The Dick Cavett Show.
1975-6: Saturday, 9:00. Followed by The Bob Newhart Show, which was followed by The Carol Burnett Show.
1976-7: Two times:
Started the season at Saturday, 9:00. Followed by The Bob Newhart Show, which was followed by The Carol Burnett Show.
It then moved to 8 pm, followed by The Bob Newhart Show, which was followed by All In the Family.
posted by Chrysostom at 9:11 PM on January 25, 2017 [1 favorite]


Where is the alternate timeline where President Hillary Clinton tweets about losing a feminist icon?

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posted by zutalors! at 9:17 PM on January 25, 2017 [5 favorites]


So a young person absorbing culture via tv in that era of the network sometimes got triple doses of inarguably wonderful women: Mary Richards as the career-focussed single gal; Suzanne Pleshette as the sophisticated woman and wife with her own career; and Carol Burnett as the incredibly inventive clown.
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posted by mikelieman at 9:39 PM on January 25, 2017


So a young person absorbing culture via tv in that era of the network sometimes got triple doses of inarguably wonderful women: Mary Richards as the career-focussed single gal; Suzanne Pleshette as the sophisticated woman and wife with her own career; and Carol Burnett as the incredibly inventive clown.

And Cher, who has never been afraid to be herself.
posted by Room 641-A at 10:04 PM on January 25, 2017 [3 favorites]


15 Memorable Quotes from Mary Tyler Moore
including: “You can't be brave if you've only had wonderful things happen to you."
posted by oneswellfoop at 10:10 PM on January 25, 2017 [2 favorites]


MTM was my very first childhood crush, at age 6 she defined, for me, the Ideal Woman.

Luminous, indeed.

I'll miss you Mary.

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posted by pjern at 10:11 PM on January 25, 2017 [4 favorites]


I really liked the Mary Tyler Moore Show. Grew up with it, was in junior high and high school when it originally aired. Thanks, Mary.

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posted by dougfelt at 10:13 PM on January 25, 2017




My favorite anecdote involved her turning Elvis down.

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posted by lazycomputerkids at 12:08 AM on January 26, 2017


Aw, and just as capri pants are making a comeback.

Here (at the 5:00 mark) is the priceless bit with MTM and the walnuts. (My next band name.)

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posted by bryon at 12:34 AM on January 26, 2017 [2 favorites]


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posted by dbiedny at 2:09 AM on January 26, 2017


In honor of Mary Tyler Moore, I will be donating my busking tips tomorrow to the Juvenile Diabetes Research Association. If you have the means, I invite you to do the same.
posted by pxe2000 at 4:30 AM on January 26, 2017 [5 favorites]


Stephen Fry tweeted this picture of the plaque that adorns the soundstage where the Mary Tyler Moore show filmed. Gets me every time.
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posted by dr_dank at 5:15 AM on January 26, 2017 [7 favorites]


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posted by Ms. Moonlight at 5:46 AM on January 26, 2017


Sadness. RIP

I have to wonder how much the character Mary Richards actually informed my very young self as to how it could look for a woman to have a job and no husband (and also no kids). I think she imprinted something very useful and good on my psyche. I loved her. And I loved her as Laura Petrie, too. But Mary Richards was warmer and had more more foibles and seemed like she could be my aunt or my mom. That character was amazing.
posted by marimeko at 5:52 AM on January 26, 2017 [3 favorites]


Mary Tyler Moore was a staple of my 70s-kid life. When I got my job in Philadelphia 5 years ago and came up the steps from the train station and was surrounded by honking horns and the scent of egg sandwiches and rushing pedestrians, I tossed my hat into the sky. Because that's what I always knew I had to do once I got the GOOD job.

Also, I forgot how ubiquitous the MTM logo w/cat was.
posted by kimberussell at 6:08 AM on January 26, 2017 [3 favorites]


Here's My Brother's Keeper, the 1973 episode where Phyllis is trying to set her brother up with Mary, then the brother and Rhoda hit it off, causing Phyllis to freak out at one of Mary's too-rare parties, with the end reveal (~ 23 minutes) that the brother is gay. It's handled so deftly and casually, better than a lot of later shows' ham-handed attempts, and isn't done at the character's expense even as it's played for laughs. Classic progressive early 70s TV.

I was a bit too prepubescent for it to make a lasting impression (like, say, Billy Crystal's gay character on Soap did a few years later), but I know I saw it. Saturday nights in front of CBS were about the only regular family time I can remember from those years. I can't begin to imagine how much this woman's art influenced my perception of the adult world.

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posted by mediareport at 6:30 AM on January 26, 2017 [7 favorites]


I actually had never seen "My Brother's Keeper" until I read about it yesterday and looked it up. Of all the ways The Mary Tyler Moore Show portrayed comedic yet realistic human relationships, that a gay dude immediately hit it off with Rhoda is perhaps the most accurate.
posted by MCMikeNamara at 10:17 AM on January 26, 2017 [5 favorites]


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posted by Wobbuffet at 6:09 PM on January 26, 2017


I watched the CBS special tonight, and learned that the longest laugh Dick Van Dyke ever got was during the reveal on 1963's "That's My Boy?" where Rob Petrie becomes convinced their baby has been switched with the Peters' child in the hospital, so they invite the Peters over for dinner to sort it all out.

I won't spoil it, you have to watch the clip. But the audience's positive reaction to the clip -- including the longest laugh the show ever received, and among the longest in sitcom history -- convinced the studio to go ahead with some other shows.
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posted by defenestration at 9:22 PM on January 26, 2017


I watched a lot of the MTM show in reruns when I was a kid...didn't get a lot of the jokes I'm sure. But enjoyed it nonetheless.

The more I read about her, the more impressed I am. She was a real feminist and I hope she was aware of and got to enjoy the Women's Marches on Jan. 21--women in show business owe a lot to her pioneering efforts. She had a lot of grief in her life-her only child died at 24--and she struggled with alcoholism and diabetes, but she kept going. I admire her.

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