And other kids are being framed too.
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Soul Snatchers: How the NYPD’s 42nd Precinct, the Bronx DA’s Office, and the City of New York Conspired to Destroy Black and Brown Lives
Shaun King: What I’m about to tell you is the most painful, traumatic, outrageous, outlandish, over-the-top story of government sanctioned police brutality, wrongful imprisonment, wrongful convictions, forced testimony, widespread corruption, money, lots of money, and deep, deep, deep soul-snatching psychological abuse in modern American history. I would not have believed it had I not seen it all for myself. The rabbit hole I am about to take you down is deep and twisted. It should lead to the termination of a whole host of officials. Many should be arrested and a comprehensive independent investigation should begin immediately.
Shaun King: What I’m about to tell you is the most painful, traumatic, outrageous, outlandish, over-the-top story of government sanctioned police brutality, wrongful imprisonment, wrongful convictions, forced testimony, widespread corruption, money, lots of money, and deep, deep, deep soul-snatching psychological abuse in modern American history. I would not have believed it had I not seen it all for myself. The rabbit hole I am about to take you down is deep and twisted. It should lead to the termination of a whole host of officials. Many should be arrested and a comprehensive independent investigation should begin immediately.
I'm terrified by how little of this series will surprise me.
posted by delfin at 5:02 PM on August 21, 2017 [11 favorites]
posted by delfin at 5:02 PM on August 21, 2017 [11 favorites]
Fucking fuck. I can't even with the awfulness of this. I'm not even surprised. Not one fucking bit. Ugh. This shameful and disgusting.
posted by Fizz at 5:03 PM on August 21, 2017 [2 favorites]
posted by Fizz at 5:03 PM on August 21, 2017 [2 favorites]
I have typed and deleted a number of rants that are basically just me screaming into the void. How can anyone believe in God when this is allowed to happen in numbers reaching almost a million cases. How are the streets not on fire, how are we complacent when this is happening? What can I do that is not just white lady wrings her hands about racism.
After Cville, while I was staying at a little hotel in the deep south, and I was reading the thread about it, while sharing a veranda with a lovely lady of color, I fear I embarrassed us both, by without warning, turning to her and apologizing for the generations of trauma visited on people of color, for not realizing, until two summers ago how badly treated African American boys were treated by cops, how powerless I felt to change it, even though I cart my ancient arthritic ass to the barricades because I'm pretty sure the cops will hesitate before they attack me, and how I didn't want any emotional labor from her, I didn't need her to soothe my delicate feelings or tell me it was ok, that I just wanted her to know that I saw it, and in was heartbroken by the deaths of those children, and the rise of the fucking Nazis marching in our streets in twenty first century America, and that I'm so so so sorry that I haven't been a strong enough ally and I just wanted her to know that I see it, I hate it, and I will continue to fight against it.
I felt ridiculous afters, because I feel like I gave her emotional labor, rather than a statement of solidarity, and yet, I just want to apologize to every person of color I see. I just want to say " I'm not them, I'm not a nazi", but fuck me, I am them if I can't do something to change the situation.
But I don't know what to do.
This is unconscionable. How do we stop it?
posted by SecretAgentSockpuppet at 5:36 PM on August 21, 2017 [17 favorites]
After Cville, while I was staying at a little hotel in the deep south, and I was reading the thread about it, while sharing a veranda with a lovely lady of color, I fear I embarrassed us both, by without warning, turning to her and apologizing for the generations of trauma visited on people of color, for not realizing, until two summers ago how badly treated African American boys were treated by cops, how powerless I felt to change it, even though I cart my ancient arthritic ass to the barricades because I'm pretty sure the cops will hesitate before they attack me, and how I didn't want any emotional labor from her, I didn't need her to soothe my delicate feelings or tell me it was ok, that I just wanted her to know that I saw it, and in was heartbroken by the deaths of those children, and the rise of the fucking Nazis marching in our streets in twenty first century America, and that I'm so so so sorry that I haven't been a strong enough ally and I just wanted her to know that I see it, I hate it, and I will continue to fight against it.
I felt ridiculous afters, because I feel like I gave her emotional labor, rather than a statement of solidarity, and yet, I just want to apologize to every person of color I see. I just want to say " I'm not them, I'm not a nazi", but fuck me, I am them if I can't do something to change the situation.
But I don't know what to do.
This is unconscionable. How do we stop it?
posted by SecretAgentSockpuppet at 5:36 PM on August 21, 2017 [17 favorites]
For those curious about the time period for the bogus summonses:
at least 900,000 summonses, issued from 2007 to 2015
That's an average of 100k/yr summonses -- not stops but arrests and legal actions -- that a judge said should never have been made because they were completely and utterly bogus.
posted by zippy at 6:21 PM on August 21, 2017 [7 favorites]
at least 900,000 summonses, issued from 2007 to 2015
That's an average of 100k/yr summonses -- not stops but arrests and legal actions -- that a judge said should never have been made because they were completely and utterly bogus.
posted by zippy at 6:21 PM on August 21, 2017 [7 favorites]
How do we stop it?
A complete purge of the command structure, preferably with prison time for anyone who is complicit. Basically, nuking from orbit and replacement from outside the system. Not that people will vote for that...
posted by GenjiandProust at 6:27 PM on August 21, 2017 [20 favorites]
A complete purge of the command structure, preferably with prison time for anyone who is complicit. Basically, nuking from orbit and replacement from outside the system. Not that people will vote for that...
posted by GenjiandProust at 6:27 PM on August 21, 2017 [20 favorites]
How do we stop it?
A complete purge of the command structure, preferably with prison time for anyone who is complicit. Basically, nuking from orbit and replacement from outside the system. Not that people will vote for that...
From what I've read, this is how you create armed militias and criminal gangs in places like, say, Iraq. At this point I don't think we'd be all that different. You purge the cops all at once, they just become a gang.
They operate like a gang now, though, so. I don't know what the solution is. But Jesus Christ there should be a name for a crime like this. It's some kind of crime against humanity.
The rot goes very very deep.
posted by schadenfrau at 6:48 PM on August 21, 2017 [14 favorites]
A complete purge of the command structure, preferably with prison time for anyone who is complicit. Basically, nuking from orbit and replacement from outside the system. Not that people will vote for that...
From what I've read, this is how you create armed militias and criminal gangs in places like, say, Iraq. At this point I don't think we'd be all that different. You purge the cops all at once, they just become a gang.
They operate like a gang now, though, so. I don't know what the solution is. But Jesus Christ there should be a name for a crime like this. It's some kind of crime against humanity.
The rot goes very very deep.
posted by schadenfrau at 6:48 PM on August 21, 2017 [14 favorites]
I hope Shaun King is safe.
And I hate that I have to say that.
posted by CommonSense at 6:54 PM on August 21, 2017 [6 favorites]
And I hate that I have to say that.
posted by CommonSense at 6:54 PM on August 21, 2017 [6 favorites]
Isn't he a columnist for the NY Daily News? Why is this on Medium and not in his newspaper?
posted by Big Al 8000 at 7:24 PM on August 21, 2017 [1 favorite]
posted by Big Al 8000 at 7:24 PM on August 21, 2017 [1 favorite]
You purge the cops all at once, they just become a gang
Become?
posted by zippy at 7:31 PM on August 21, 2017 [13 favorites]
Become?
posted by zippy at 7:31 PM on August 21, 2017 [13 favorites]
But I don't know what to do.
This was just posted to the blue and I think it's a good place to start: Syllabus for White People to Educate Themselves.
posted by Fizz at 7:33 PM on August 21, 2017 [4 favorites]
This was just posted to the blue and I think it's a good place to start: Syllabus for White People to Educate Themselves.
posted by Fizz at 7:33 PM on August 21, 2017 [4 favorites]
I'm terrified by how little of this series will surprise me.
I constantly horrify people without even thinking about it by talking about the casual things everyone knew about the NYPD that I assumed for a while was just what policing was like in America. Like, "Oh, police never pay for their meals" or "You pay your money to the Policeman's Benevolent Association and then they won't harass you for BS" or "When you're related to a cop, you don't get tickets, professional privilege."
Similarly, I've always known they had quotas, and it's always been terrible. So it's a weird feeling seeing this get notice now - like didn't we all already know? But no, people outside don't know, because people outside don't live that way.
posted by corb at 7:45 PM on August 21, 2017 [12 favorites]
I constantly horrify people without even thinking about it by talking about the casual things everyone knew about the NYPD that I assumed for a while was just what policing was like in America. Like, "Oh, police never pay for their meals" or "You pay your money to the Policeman's Benevolent Association and then they won't harass you for BS" or "When you're related to a cop, you don't get tickets, professional privilege."
Similarly, I've always known they had quotas, and it's always been terrible. So it's a weird feeling seeing this get notice now - like didn't we all already know? But no, people outside don't know, because people outside don't live that way.
posted by corb at 7:45 PM on August 21, 2017 [12 favorites]
Big Al 8000: "Isn't he a columnist for the NY Daily News? Why is this on Medium and not in his newspaper?"
King is a DN columnist. Reading the News, I got the impression that King was even more liberal than the News was willing to be. He is clearly a lone voice at the News. All of his columns are about racial injustice. To me, he is the lone voice of morality at the DN. I too am surprised this is in Medium and not in the DN.
But, just today, the Daily News published a two-sided story about Pedro Hernandez saying that while the cops may have been bad, Hernandez is not without dirty hands himself including the people working for him. Maybe the News felt this long form article was contradictory to their other article or King felt that even his own paper would not publish it.
posted by AugustWest at 7:47 PM on August 21, 2017 [2 favorites]
King is a DN columnist. Reading the News, I got the impression that King was even more liberal than the News was willing to be. He is clearly a lone voice at the News. All of his columns are about racial injustice. To me, he is the lone voice of morality at the DN. I too am surprised this is in Medium and not in the DN.
But, just today, the Daily News published a two-sided story about Pedro Hernandez saying that while the cops may have been bad, Hernandez is not without dirty hands himself including the people working for him. Maybe the News felt this long form article was contradictory to their other article or King felt that even his own paper would not publish it.
posted by AugustWest at 7:47 PM on August 21, 2017 [2 favorites]
I suspect it is precisely because the story isn't full of both-sidesism that the Daily News isn't running the story. While the death (or more precisely decline, it's still around) of yellow journalism, we gained ethical standards, but those ethics have done to journalism what free speech absolutism has done to many on the left. We always get two sides, even if one is bullshit. (Even Fox fig leafs it most of the time) Similarly, many of us can't stop wringing our hands that Nazis are having their speech inconvenienced.
This persistent inability to report facts as facts outside of special "fact check" pieces is a large part of what allows cancers like the NYPD to persist. Even when there is no room for argument by reasonable people, unreasonable people are dredged up from the depths to make sure someone is quoted justifying the bad behavior.
I can totally see why Mr. King has zero interest in playing that game with this particular story.
posted by wierdo at 8:10 PM on August 21, 2017 [6 favorites]
This persistent inability to report facts as facts outside of special "fact check" pieces is a large part of what allows cancers like the NYPD to persist. Even when there is no room for argument by reasonable people, unreasonable people are dredged up from the depths to make sure someone is quoted justifying the bad behavior.
I can totally see why Mr. King has zero interest in playing that game with this particular story.
posted by wierdo at 8:10 PM on August 21, 2017 [6 favorites]
Even without explicit quotas (Officer Smith, why didn't you make your 40 arrests this month), arrest counting is going to be a problem (Officer Smith, why is it that every month Officer Jones arrests more people than you do?) as long as the higher-ups think number of arrests is a legitimate approximation of how well police are doing.
Supervisors want a number to prove they're doing something that they can show their bosses and politicians when people ask why these outer borough neighborhoods are still violent. Rank-and-file officers want a number they can show off to get promoted or transferred to a less violent precinct. It's easier for them to arrest poor people of color on bogus charges than to fight the quota system.
The only way I see this being fixed is city and police leadership, and possibly the governor and state legislature, agreeing on new simple numeric ways to evaluate officers. Explicitly making bad arrests count against the cops involved seems attractive but very risky: it puts a lot of pressure on the DA, judge or whoever makes that call to overlook bad arrests to spare a "nice hardworking cop's" badge, which is exactly what we don't want.
The challenge is coming up with a "vanity metric" for police that they can game without hurting people or neglecting their duties. A bureaucracy as sprawling as the NYPD is always going to have people jumping through arbitrary hoops to impress their bosses. Maybe we needs something like a Committee on Police Evaluation with reps from the unions, departmental leadership, the community, the ACLU, etc. that meets every couple of years, evaluates the current system, sees what's broken and sets new rules.
posted by smelendez at 8:10 PM on August 21, 2017 [7 favorites]
Supervisors want a number to prove they're doing something that they can show their bosses and politicians when people ask why these outer borough neighborhoods are still violent. Rank-and-file officers want a number they can show off to get promoted or transferred to a less violent precinct. It's easier for them to arrest poor people of color on bogus charges than to fight the quota system.
The only way I see this being fixed is city and police leadership, and possibly the governor and state legislature, agreeing on new simple numeric ways to evaluate officers. Explicitly making bad arrests count against the cops involved seems attractive but very risky: it puts a lot of pressure on the DA, judge or whoever makes that call to overlook bad arrests to spare a "nice hardworking cop's" badge, which is exactly what we don't want.
The challenge is coming up with a "vanity metric" for police that they can game without hurting people or neglecting their duties. A bureaucracy as sprawling as the NYPD is always going to have people jumping through arbitrary hoops to impress their bosses. Maybe we needs something like a Committee on Police Evaluation with reps from the unions, departmental leadership, the community, the ACLU, etc. that meets every couple of years, evaluates the current system, sees what's broken and sets new rules.
posted by smelendez at 8:10 PM on August 21, 2017 [7 favorites]
while the cops may have been bad, Hernandez is not without dirty hands himself including the people working for him.
This story makes me ill. The system can just grind through people, and that "checkered past" shit is so pernicious and serves to make the former more palatable.
posted by rhizome at 8:13 PM on August 21, 2017 [5 favorites]
This story makes me ill. The system can just grind through people, and that "checkered past" shit is so pernicious and serves to make the former more palatable.
posted by rhizome at 8:13 PM on August 21, 2017 [5 favorites]
I suspect it is precisely because the story isn't full of both-sidesism that the Daily News isn't running the story.
And that's fine, I think. Too long for a column, too one-sided for a story. It'd be fine in any number of SlateVox sites, and the DN does have "news" in its name.
posted by rhizome at 8:15 PM on August 21, 2017
And that's fine, I think. Too long for a column, too one-sided for a story. It'd be fine in any number of SlateVox sites, and the DN does have "news" in its name.
posted by rhizome at 8:15 PM on August 21, 2017
I wonder how it would be received to have a "dirty cop" quota for IA: if you don't get five officers fired each month, you'll be disciplined and marginalized.
With the same kind of institutional protections and political support as regular cops, of course, because it's clearly a virtuous goal even if a few "bad apples" abuse it.
posted by Riki tiki at 8:56 PM on August 21, 2017 [13 favorites]
With the same kind of institutional protections and political support as regular cops, of course, because it's clearly a virtuous goal even if a few "bad apples" abuse it.
posted by Riki tiki at 8:56 PM on August 21, 2017 [13 favorites]
This article (previously) is a little gee-whiz, but reading it gives a sense of what it takes to dismiss a ticket in NYC, and, by proxy, the avalanche of lost days and missed opportunities that 900,000+ summonses might represent.
I wonder if King used Medium very intentionally, both so that he would be unconstrained by word count, and could push readers toward primary sources in a way that you can't in print. I will definitely be reading the whole series, but might have missed it if it ran in the Daily News alone.
posted by evidenceofabsence at 10:09 PM on August 21, 2017 [5 favorites]
I wonder if King used Medium very intentionally, both so that he would be unconstrained by word count, and could push readers toward primary sources in a way that you can't in print. I will definitely be reading the whole series, but might have missed it if it ran in the Daily News alone.
posted by evidenceofabsence at 10:09 PM on August 21, 2017 [5 favorites]
One day, while living in San Francisco, I was alerted by the police that my car had been broken into by a homeless man. The cops cornered him, but because he was wielding a screwdriver they were unable to apprehend him. They then called me to come down to the station. When I did, they told me that they had caught the guy but needed me to ID him, even though I had never seen him. They assured me that they had the right guy. I refused to falsely finger someone for a crime and left.
This article does not surprise me, but it makes me very, very sad.
posted by grumpybear69 at 5:19 AM on August 22, 2017 [7 favorites]
This article does not surprise me, but it makes me very, very sad.
posted by grumpybear69 at 5:19 AM on August 22, 2017 [7 favorites]
If you haven't read about Adrian Schoolcraft (previously on the Blue) or heard his story on This American Life, I strongly suggest you check it out.
This isn't new and leadership has abetted these types of practices for at least seven years.
posted by mfu at 10:26 AM on August 22, 2017 [5 favorites]
This isn't new and leadership has abetted these types of practices for at least seven years.
posted by mfu at 10:26 AM on August 22, 2017 [5 favorites]
The challenge is coming up with a "vanity metric" for police that they can game without hurting people or neglecting their duties.
Contact sheets would be fine. I have no problem with police walking a beat and talking to people voluntarily, giving them directions, helping to search for dropped items in the vicinity. Of course, it's pretty easy for that to turn into a shit show like stop and frisk, but if it doesn't, it gives us a decent metric to judge the public participation of the police that does not require that they arrest or warn people.
I think it could work because I have known departments that use that sort of paperwork and they tend not to be arresting people for every possible minor infraction and making up more to keep their numbers up.
posted by wierdo at 10:26 AM on August 22, 2017 [5 favorites]
Contact sheets would be fine. I have no problem with police walking a beat and talking to people voluntarily, giving them directions, helping to search for dropped items in the vicinity. Of course, it's pretty easy for that to turn into a shit show like stop and frisk, but if it doesn't, it gives us a decent metric to judge the public participation of the police that does not require that they arrest or warn people.
I think it could work because I have known departments that use that sort of paperwork and they tend not to be arresting people for every possible minor infraction and making up more to keep their numbers up.
posted by wierdo at 10:26 AM on August 22, 2017 [5 favorites]
This is some sick shit. Full stop.
And it's why I just about lose it whenever I hear people going on and on about the noble, superhuman police officer who could proudly stand shoulder to shoulder with Lancelot and Galahad and Charlemagne's Peers. And falling for what the cop/lawyer procedural shows tell us about how the prosecution is only interested in the noblest application of justice -- that, indeed, the state's lawyers' only flaw is that they're too dedicated to their jobs and sometimes neglect their personal relationships.
After the umpteenth "officer-involved shooting" of an unarmed black suspect in recent years, I bitterly told a couple of my closest friends that the most unrealistic part of the cop shows is now not the super science machines they have that can trace one molecule of a fiber from a piece of clothing to the store where it was purchased, but the fact that the officers don't fill the air with bullets the moment a black or Latino suspect makes any sudden move at all from any position.
Looks like the other highly unrealistic part of the cop and lawyer shows is that the entire legal apparatus isn't just constantly bullying and intimidating and lying their way to arrests and convictions.
posted by lord_wolf at 10:28 AM on August 22, 2017 [10 favorites]
And it's why I just about lose it whenever I hear people going on and on about the noble, superhuman police officer who could proudly stand shoulder to shoulder with Lancelot and Galahad and Charlemagne's Peers. And falling for what the cop/lawyer procedural shows tell us about how the prosecution is only interested in the noblest application of justice -- that, indeed, the state's lawyers' only flaw is that they're too dedicated to their jobs and sometimes neglect their personal relationships.
After the umpteenth "officer-involved shooting" of an unarmed black suspect in recent years, I bitterly told a couple of my closest friends that the most unrealistic part of the cop shows is now not the super science machines they have that can trace one molecule of a fiber from a piece of clothing to the store where it was purchased, but the fact that the officers don't fill the air with bullets the moment a black or Latino suspect makes any sudden move at all from any position.
Looks like the other highly unrealistic part of the cop and lawyer shows is that the entire legal apparatus isn't just constantly bullying and intimidating and lying their way to arrests and convictions.
posted by lord_wolf at 10:28 AM on August 22, 2017 [10 favorites]
From what I've read, this is how you create armed militias and criminal gangs in places like, say, Iraq. At this point I don't think we'd be all that different. You purge the cops all at once, they just become a gang
We need something analagous to the FDIC with banks-- an organization that can swoop in and replace an entire precinct that has utterly failed, for just long enough to get it back on the rails.
posted by qxntpqbbbqxl at 10:35 AM on August 22, 2017 [7 favorites]
We need something analagous to the FDIC with banks-- an organization that can swoop in and replace an entire precinct that has utterly failed, for just long enough to get it back on the rails.
posted by qxntpqbbbqxl at 10:35 AM on August 22, 2017 [7 favorites]
I can't believe the courage of Pedro Hernandez in refusing to take a plea deal (of course hecshould never have been charged but he is so brave) and of the officers who have filed lawsuits.
posted by biggreenplant at 11:36 AM on August 22, 2017 [2 favorites]
posted by biggreenplant at 11:36 AM on August 22, 2017 [2 favorites]
We need something analagous to the FDIC with banks-- an organization that can swoop in and replace an entire precinct that has utterly failed, for just long enough to get it back on the rails.
It's not quite the FDIC scenario, but the DoJ appointed a federal monitor for something like a dozen major police departments under Obama, and Oakland is one step away from full receivership where the monitor is put in charge.
posted by zippy at 1:17 PM on August 22, 2017 [2 favorites]
It's not quite the FDIC scenario, but the DoJ appointed a federal monitor for something like a dozen major police departments under Obama, and Oakland is one step away from full receivership where the monitor is put in charge.
posted by zippy at 1:17 PM on August 22, 2017 [2 favorites]
There are a few noble, superhuman police officers, though: the ones brave enough to call the department out for its atrocious bullshit.
posted by evidenceofabsence at 3:21 PM on August 22, 2017 [2 favorites]
posted by evidenceofabsence at 3:21 PM on August 22, 2017 [2 favorites]
What is really frightening is that the same sort of quotas are likely applied to police forces in many COUNTRIES and areas, not just there!!
A favourite one amongst patrol car police in the UK is ticket snooker where they stop cars of different colours - first a red, then a colour - and so on.
posted by Burn_IT at 3:29 PM on August 22, 2017 [1 favorite]
A favourite one amongst patrol car police in the UK is ticket snooker where they stop cars of different colours - first a red, then a colour - and so on.
posted by Burn_IT at 3:29 PM on August 22, 2017 [1 favorite]
I suspect it is precisely because the story isn't full of both-sidesism that the Daily News isn't running the story.
Shaun King has already published another installment, Soul Snatchers Part Two: The Bronx Terrorist: Detective David Terrell. Now that King is actually singling out a specific detective as the worst offender, I can see why The Daily News might not have wanted to touch it. Given the risk involved, it's highly unlikely that King is doing this lightly. Given Thiel's successful campaign to destroy Gawker, I wonder if Shaun King isn't shifting assets from himself to his wife & family so that, if he gets sued, they can't get a dime from him, because he has no dime to give.
posted by jonp72 at 7:29 PM on August 23, 2017 [3 favorites]
Shaun King has already published another installment, Soul Snatchers Part Two: The Bronx Terrorist: Detective David Terrell. Now that King is actually singling out a specific detective as the worst offender, I can see why The Daily News might not have wanted to touch it. Given the risk involved, it's highly unlikely that King is doing this lightly. Given Thiel's successful campaign to destroy Gawker, I wonder if Shaun King isn't shifting assets from himself to his wife & family so that, if he gets sued, they can't get a dime from him, because he has no dime to give.
posted by jonp72 at 7:29 PM on August 23, 2017 [3 favorites]
I don't know about the Daily News, but the New York Post ran something of a response from David Terrell.
posted by evidenceofabsence at 10:55 AM on August 24, 2017
posted by evidenceofabsence at 10:55 AM on August 24, 2017
That response is pretty standard "any complaint against any cop is just criminals trying to get rid of all cops and you wouldn't want the criminals to WIN, would you?" bullshit that you've seen before if you've followed stories about police corruption, especially corruption that victimizes young black men. (The idea that a young black man's testimony is untrustworthy because "he's in a GANG, you guys" is so, so common.) I was not at all surprised to get to the bottom of the article and discover that Terrell has been caught in a violent "off-duty domestic dispute".
posted by IAmUnaware at 10:26 PM on August 26, 2017 [2 favorites]
posted by IAmUnaware at 10:26 PM on August 26, 2017 [2 favorites]
The sad thing is that at the margins, people who say shit like that aren't even wrong. People I know for a fact were physically incapable of doing what was stated have gotten public complaints of various sorts over their two decades on her police force. That said, once there are multiple complaints a year year in and year out, you're long past "sour grapes" leading to false complaints and deep into a situation where a serious investigation needs to happen.
(I also know/am related to some small town cops I don't trust with a gun or a badge when I see them on holidays, so don't think I'm defending bad behavior just because I know and am related to some police officers. I'm fairly convinced my aunt is going to die one day because of blowback from chucklefucks who are too power drunk and/or afraid to do their jobs without murdering innocent people)
posted by wierdo at 5:17 PM on August 27, 2017 [1 favorite]
(I also know/am related to some small town cops I don't trust with a gun or a badge when I see them on holidays, so don't think I'm defending bad behavior just because I know and am related to some police officers. I'm fairly convinced my aunt is going to die one day because of blowback from chucklefucks who are too power drunk and/or afraid to do their jobs without murdering innocent people)
posted by wierdo at 5:17 PM on August 27, 2017 [1 favorite]
Looks like Part Three is up. Horrifying.
posted by little cow make small moo at 10:13 AM on August 28, 2017 [2 favorites]
posted by little cow make small moo at 10:13 AM on August 28, 2017 [2 favorites]
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