Every con has its pros.

December 20, 2017 10:40 AM

OCEAN'S 8 [YouTube][Trailer] Starring Sandra Bullock, Cate Blanchett, Anne Hathaway, Mindy Kaling, Sarah Paulson, Awkwafina, with Rihanna and Helena Bonham Carter.
posted by Fizz (98 comments total)

I've seen various write-ups calling Sarah Paulson's character a housewife when everyone else gets a "job" but look at all the packaged goods in her garage - she's clearly the fence
posted by thecjm at 10:44 AM on December 20, 2017 [25 favorites]

Like so many other places on the web that are not MetaFilter, do yourself a favour and don't read the YouTube comments.
posted by Fizz at 10:47 AM on December 20, 2017 [10 favorites]

Me watching earlier: 'Oh this looks like fun' - James Corden appears - 'Oh ffs'
posted by fearfulsymmetry at 10:53 AM on December 20, 2017 [18 favorites]

AWWWWWKWAAAAAFIIIIIIIINAAAAAA!

Also, I straight up laughed when Kaling's character asked if they could just go to the ball.

Do I want to watch a probably silly derivative buddy heist comedy that spends all its time on glamour shots of shockingly likeable women? YES. YES I DO.
posted by BlueBlueElectricBlue at 10:58 AM on December 20, 2017 [76 favorites]

Somebody on Twitter was pointing out that once again women are doing the same job as men for 27% less.
posted by Pope Guilty at 10:58 AM on December 20, 2017 [95 favorites]

My biggest fear about this is that with the movie revolving around the Met Gala and co-starring Rihanna, eternal monarch of said gala, we might be in for another Tess Ocean/Julia Roberts situation.
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 10:58 AM on December 20, 2017 [4 favorites]

It's rare to see a film that has so many people I love in it. Yes!

Somebody on Twitter was pointing out that once again women are doing the same job as men for 27% less.

Personally I found all the characters in the other Ocean's movies annoying. I can't tell the difference between that many white men in suits. 8 is much more manageable.
posted by Emmy Rae at 11:06 AM on December 20, 2017 [9 favorites]

Like so many other places on the web that are not MetaFilter, do yourself a favour and don't read the YouTube comments.

Sorry, I looked.

I can't help but notice certain patterns in the online reactions to basically anything that centers women. The biggest is how the dudes who say shitty things so often have screen names and avatars that basically scream "I'm An Asshole." Sometimes they give themselves icons for total assholes like Eric Cartman or whatever. But many just straight-up self-identify as terrible people, and it's not just the "Deplorable" part, either.

Kinda says a lot right there.
posted by scaryblackdeath at 11:06 AM on December 20, 2017 [17 favorites]

I can't help but notice certain patterns in the online reactions to basically anything that centers women.

The same tired misogyny/harassment that was thrown against the Ghostbusters reboot is being employed here as well. Aside from the ugliness of it all, it also just doesn't make sense to me. How is someone else enjoying a different thing preventing you from enjoying a separate other thing you enjoy. It's so fucking exhausting.
posted by Fizz at 11:10 AM on December 20, 2017 [20 favorites]

Wait, no Melissa McCarthy?! OK, well I'll still go see it.
posted by evilDoug at 11:11 AM on December 20, 2017 [8 favorites]

My biggest fear about this is that with the movie revolving around the Met Gala and co-starring Rihanna, eternal monarch of said gala, we might be in for another Tess Ocean/Julia Roberts situation.

I'm actually a little surprised that Anne Hathaway isn't just playing herself.

Note near the end that Bullock is sitting at Danny Ocean's crypt. Real or con?
posted by doctornecessiter at 11:11 AM on December 20, 2017 [5 favorites]

Wait, no Melissa McCarthy?!

Let's hope that she gets to be the villain in Ocean's 9!
posted by Fizz at 11:12 AM on December 20, 2017 [8 favorites]

How the heck do you fence a $150m necklace?

"Is that the $150m necklace that was stolen? No I got this one from....somewhere else."

That might be worthwhile AskMe.

//never questions magical heroes with guns or why space lasers when our current tech is more advanced than 1940s esque dogfighting.
posted by The_Vegetables at 11:19 AM on December 20, 2017 [11 favorites]

I have watched Ocean's 13 an absurd number of times, and I am thrilled about this movie. It bothers me that there were roles for Elliot Gould and Carl Reiner in all three Oceans movies, but Sandra Bullock was as old as this crew could get.
posted by gladly at 11:20 AM on December 20, 2017 [22 favorites]

Now do the Hobbit, aka Ocean's 11 in Middle Earth.
posted by clawsoon at 11:20 AM on December 20, 2017 [8 favorites]

Yaaaaaaaaay Sandra Bullock!
posted by grumpybear69 at 11:22 AM on December 20, 2017 [2 favorites]

How is someone else enjoying a different thing preventing you from enjoying a separate other thing you enjoy.

This is one of the roots of the problem of fandom today. Anyone touches your toys ruins them! It's not possible to check it out and enjoy it. Perhaps compartmentalize it in your mind. 2016 "Ghostbusters" clearly was a separate continuity from the 80's edition. None of its chocolate got in your peanut butter.

Even if it did, so what? No one is burning all the old tapes. You can still watch the old "Oceans" movies or "Ghostbusters" or whatever, and pretend the new ones don't exist. There are whole season of TV series I pretend don't exist, but I don't get mad about it. I'm not worse off then if they simply didn't make it.

(Perhaps that's the issue: when the reboot/sequel/etc. comes along and it doesn't meet their expectations or a radical departure from the original or whatever, a door does close. Where before they had hope that someone would start it up again, just the same as before. The original stories told the original way won't happen again.

One way or the other, they perceive the reboot as closing that door. Either it will be a business failure, and studios won't be interested in trying again (the "A-Team" movie), or it will succeed, and eclipse the original ("Battlestar Galactica"). In a fan's zero sum mind, he loses.)
posted by MrGuilt at 11:22 AM on December 20, 2017 [11 favorites]

'Oh this looks like fun' - James Corden appears - 'Oh ffs'

Discount Eddie Izzard?
posted by Fizz at 11:22 AM on December 20, 2017 [14 favorites]

I am so here for this. I have been craving an all-women con-job/heist film for years. (I made a livejournal post about it a few years back)
posted by rmd1023 at 11:24 AM on December 20, 2017 [2 favorites]

That might be worthwhile AskMe.

First, be smart charming and well-dressed as hell from the very beginning.
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 11:25 AM on December 20, 2017 [1 favorite]

I am so freaking excited for this movie
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 11:25 AM on December 20, 2017 [7 favorites]

I have been craving an all-women con-job/heist film for years

It might be sacrilegious to some, but I'd love a reboot/spiritual-successor/sequel to Dirty Rotten Scoundrels, only with all women. Heartbreakers with Sigourney Weaver and Jennifer Love-Hewitt came close but it wasn't my favourite. We have a lot of brilliant, talented, & funny women that are being neglected and so much possibility.
posted by Fizz at 11:27 AM on December 20, 2017 [13 favorites]

I LOVE HEIST MOVIES!!!!

Looking forward to this!
posted by WaterAndPixels at 11:27 AM on December 20, 2017 [3 favorites]

Saw the title, immediate thought was, “Oh, geez, ANOTHER rehashed Ocean’s movie?”

Saw the trailer, totally changed my mind.
posted by The Gooch at 11:29 AM on December 20, 2017 [3 favorites]

Including Awkwafina took this idea from good to great, in my opinion. I'm super psyched for this.
posted by Navelgazer at 11:30 AM on December 20, 2017 [4 favorites]

Saw the title, immediate thought was, “Oh, geez, ANOTHER rehashed Ocean’s movie?”

That's arguably a reasonable critique of this movie. In fact, it was my reaction.

And I realized that mean it just wasn't my cup of tea.

And I walked away.

/Been reading a lot of entitled fans hating on "The Last Jedi," so this is deep on my mind. It's also has me questioning my own behavior.
posted by MrGuilt at 11:34 AM on December 20, 2017 [1 favorite]

How the heck do you fence a $150m necklace?

Treat it like a car, strip it for parts (individual gems).
posted by Iris Gambol at 11:34 AM on December 20, 2017 [14 favorites]

I like it and look forward to it but it's still a bit too white to qualify for perfection.
posted by poffin boffin at 11:35 AM on December 20, 2017 [6 favorites]

It might be sacrilegious to some, but I'd love a reboot/spiritual-successor/sequel to Dirty Rotten Scoundrels, only with all women.

Oh wow, imagine if Glenne Headly was still around to be in the Michael Caine role.
posted by doctornecessiter at 11:36 AM on December 20, 2017 [12 favorites]

How the heck do you fence a $150m necklace?

"Is that the $150m necklace that was stolen? No I got this one from....somewhere else."

Presumably most of the value is in the extremely large diamonds rather than the necklace's design or provenance. It would likely be broken up into individual stones, with the largest or most unusual re-cut or re-polished to alter their weight and appearance. Then they'd be sold at 20-30% of their actual value in order to move them quickly.
posted by jedicus at 11:39 AM on December 20, 2017 [7 favorites]

Looks fun but Gary Ross seems like the wrong director for something this light.
posted by octothorpe at 11:42 AM on December 20, 2017 [1 favorite]

Also, because this is an Ocean's movie, presumably most of the actual value is in revenge.
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 11:47 AM on December 20, 2017 [14 favorites]

Gary Ross actually makes me hopeful about it - I'd prefer it if Ocean's 8 doesn't turn out to be "bunch of ditzy girls go on a crime spree," and the way he handled Pleasantville makes me think he could do something similar: "Here's a light, fun, downright wacky premise that turns rather intense in the middle, but never loses its focus on hope and the importance of people being good to each other."
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 11:49 AM on December 20, 2017 [4 favorites]

How the heck do you fence a $150m necklace?

I imagine much like with other art theft that it's a commission job. But then again, Sarah Paulson's character does appear to be a fence, so...
posted by Navelgazer at 12:01 PM on December 20, 2017 [1 favorite]

It would likely be broken up into individual stones, with the largest or most unusual re-cut or re-polished to alter their weight and appearance. Then they'd be sold at 20-30% of their actual value in order to move them quickly.

Would you like to tell us how you know that?
posted by ALeaflikeStructure at 12:02 PM on December 20, 2017 [6 favorites]

"This is Mommy's very special work trip." Is there an abbreviation like "LOL" except meaning that you ACTUALLY laughed out loud?
posted by Sing Or Swim at 12:05 PM on December 20, 2017 [6 favorites]

Yes yes yes. Also: yes. With a side order of yes.

(I also read on Roxane Gay's Twitter in the last couple of days that she's doing a multigenerational/family lady heist comic soon...or did I dream it?)

None of its chocolate got in your peanut butter.

I can sort of understand it when a character you're attached to is changed in some way that seems to destroy what's special about him/her. But the Ghostbusters reboot and this? Don't even have the same characters. That's when it becomes very plain that it's not just about keeping what you like, it's making sure that the undeserving don't have what they like.
posted by praemunire at 12:06 PM on December 20, 2017 [2 favorites]

My biggest fear about this is that with the movie revolving around the Met Gala and co-starring Rihanna, eternal monarch of said gala, we might be in for another Tess Ocean/Julia Roberts situation.

Wait, wasn't that literally the best thing about Ocean's 12?

Now do the Hobbit, aka Ocean's 11 in Middle Earth.

Ahem. Thorin's 14. (15 when Gandalf bothers to show up.)

Is there an abbreviation like "LOL" except meaning that you ACTUALLY laughed out loud?

LOLFRIRL
posted by tobascodagama at 12:07 PM on December 20, 2017 [2 favorites]

'Oh this looks like fun' - James Corden appears - 'Oh ffs'

Discount Eddie Izzard?

Actually, this post has made me aware of a serious longing I never knew I had -- a film vehicle for Corden, Izzard and Craig Ferguson.
posted by DrAstroZoom at 12:14 PM on December 20, 2017 [5 favorites]

Actually, this post has made me aware of a serious longing I never knew I had -- a film vehicle for Corden, Izzard and Craig Ferguson.

Throw in Billy Connolly too, please.
posted by The Man from Lardfork at 12:16 PM on December 20, 2017 [10 favorites]

This looks great. I'm not a big Sandra Bullock fan but this is an awesome ensemble cast. And I've loved James Corden since Gavin and Stacey.
posted by shoesietart at 12:19 PM on December 20, 2017 [2 favorites]

“Oh, geez, ANOTHER rehashed Ocean’s movie?”

That's arguably a reasonable critique of this movie. In fact, it was my reaction.

I love heist movies, I loved two and a half of the Soderbergh movies, I was really looking forward to this one, and I'm disappointed at how many specific beats seem to be lifted straight from OCEAN'S ELEVEN but with new names penciled in on them. Just from the obvious ones I picked up on a single viewing of the trailer: the parole hearing, the "you'd need X people" bit (and the recruiting part that's a buddy movie as they react to each other), and the job-within-the-job. I'm sure there were other beats I just didn't catch and I don't think the whole thing will be paint by numbers (the "can't we just go to the ball" bit is obviously a new joke), but how many specific plot points did they have to hit, really?

Still looking forward to it, though.
posted by fedward at 12:34 PM on December 20, 2017 [3 favorites]

Oh wow, imagine if Glenne Headly was still around to be in the Michael Caine role.

Oh. RIP Ms. Headly, March 13, 1955 – June 8, 2017. She was brilliant in that film.
posted by Iris Gambol at 12:46 PM on December 20, 2017 [11 favorites]

What, no Stockard Channing?!
posted by aihal at 12:49 PM on December 20, 2017 [5 favorites]

> In a fan's zero sum mind, he loses.

You cannot win with sexist asshole fanboys like this, and as such no attempt to mollify them should be made. Even in cases where their beefs don't involve sexism and/or racism, they still throw their stupid little baby tantrums; look at all the fanboy grief over the new Star Wars flick, much of which is predicated on their notion of what the creators "owe" them as loyal, "true" fans. It's incredible how closely all of this mirrors the "worst episode ever" scene from The Simpsons.
posted by The Card Cheat at 12:57 PM on December 20, 2017 [14 favorites]

What, no Stockard Channing?!

And Gina Gershon. And Jennifer Tilly.
posted by bonehead at 1:00 PM on December 20, 2017 [9 favorites]

I like it and look forward to it but it's still a bit too white to qualify for perfection.
posted by poffin boffin at 11:35 on December 20

Having more than one each of the three permitted flavors of woman of color is too confusing for America. I mean, just look at this Black Panther movie coming out! SO MANY BLACK PEOPLE. Who can keep track?
posted by scrump at 1:04 PM on December 20, 2017 [12 favorites]

A comment on Jezebel suggested that a way to drive the misogynist fanboys nuts would be to suggest the next all female reboot coming is Die Hard.

Melissa McCarthy and Leslie Jones would have upped the awesome factor for me but this will do. I'm particularly jazzed about seeing Mindy Kaling and Sarah Paulson.

Also, if you haven't seen it, I encourage you to check out the song "What About Men" from Portlandia. Hope that's not too much of a non-sequitur.
posted by kat518 at 1:06 PM on December 20, 2017 [9 favorites]

the parole hearing, the "you'd need X people" bit (and the recruiting part that's a buddy movie as they react to each other), and the job-within-the-job

So, O13 was way too lazy and referential for my tastes (sometimes gesturing to a better movie only reminds the viewer that she's not watching that movie instead of your inferior version!), but I'm not super-worried about this. The parole hearing is basically the necessary hook to put in the trailer to invoke the franchise (also, it's at least a little interesting in itself for the different ways men and women are supposed to perform repentance and desire for a "normal" life). The other two--putting the team together, the built-in double-cross/conflicting motive--are basically scenes a faire from heist movies. It'd be weirder if they didn't have a "getting the team together" sequence than if they did.
posted by praemunire at 1:09 PM on December 20, 2017 [3 favorites]

Also, "you need X people" is pretty much mandatory in any move that has the number of people in the team in the title, and I like that they played with it by having Bullock bargain her down from 20-something.
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 1:13 PM on December 20, 2017 [6 favorites]

the parole hearing, the "you'd need X people" bit (and the recruiting part that's a buddy movie as they react to each other), and the job-within-the-job

I'm hoping that that those are only the rough framework to connect to the franchise and draw in audience members, and the actual details of the plot and the character interactions will be entirely unique. I hope the "can't we just go to the ball?" joke is not the only one of its type.
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 1:15 PM on December 20, 2017 [1 favorite]

It'd be weirder if they didn't have a "getting the team together" sequence than if they did.

Fair, but the specific sort of buddy energy in the sequence as presented in the trailer was neither original nor rote, but a transposition from the original. At least in the original there was the whole "a Boesky, a Jim Brown, two Jethros, a Leon Spinks, and the biggest Ella Fitzgerald ever" slang that was all foreshadowing (man on the inside, the dash with the loot, the brothers, the title fight, and, well). The jargon, at least, is missing from the two minute trailer.
posted by fedward at 1:27 PM on December 20, 2017

What, no Stockard Channing?!

And Gina Gershon. And Jennifer Tilly.

They need some way to escalate for the sequel!
posted by tobascodagama at 1:29 PM on December 20, 2017 [3 favorites]

fedward: what does the Ella Fitzgerald refer to?
posted by Navelgazer at 1:31 PM on December 20, 2017

… a spoiler? Is it fair game this many years later, when they seem to be remaking the same movie now?
posted by fedward at 1:33 PM on December 20, 2017

The pop culture reference behind the line is, "is it live, or is it Memorex?" But I've said too much.
posted by fedward at 1:33 PM on December 20, 2017 [3 favorites]

Somebody on Twitter was pointing out that once again women are doing the same job as men for 27% less.

By wisely splitting the take only 8 ways, they're doing the same job for 37% - 62% more (depending on whether you're comparing them to Ocean's 11, 12, or 13).
posted by straight at 1:53 PM on December 20, 2017 [12 favorites]

Oh wow, imagine if Glenne Headly was still around to be in the Michael Caine role.

Wait you mean she...?
*looks it up*
Dammit.
.
posted by Badgermann at 1:54 PM on December 20, 2017 [2 favorites]

FFS, the movie is 16/56 years old. Full explanation without the cryptic bullshit.
posted by tobascodagama at 1:55 PM on December 20, 2017 [5 favorites]

Someone further upthread wished for a Dirty Rotten Scoundrels female reboot and it's being done with Rebel Wilson in the Steve Martin role.

I beleive its in pre-production now, and Rebel is producing as well as starring in it.
posted by Faintdreams at 2:04 PM on December 20, 2017 [7 favorites]

I didn't know about Glenn Headly either. This hurts. So much talent there.

Agreed about Reiner and Gould. I'm excited to see this movie, but oh if it could have included Lily Tomlin or Julie Haggarty (or or or...)
posted by Mchelly at 2:09 PM on December 20, 2017 [2 favorites]

I fervently hope that this movie makes so much money that we are inundated with female ensemble cast movies for a generation.
posted by OHenryPacey at 2:12 PM on December 20, 2017 [30 favorites]

Agreed about Reiner and Gould. I'm excited to see this movie, but oh if it could have included Lily Tomlin or Julie Haggarty (or or or...)

Angela Bassett, Julie Andrews, Jane Fonda...

Maybe a sequel where some old broads decide to throw their weight around and show up these young folk?
posted by Emmy Rae at 2:12 PM on December 20, 2017 [4 favorites]

Pam Grier would have been fun in this.
posted by Navelgazer at 2:17 PM on December 20, 2017 [9 favorites]

Maybe a sequel where some old broads decide to throw their weight around and show up these young folk?

All-female remake of The Expendables.
posted by tobascodagama at 2:20 PM on December 20, 2017 [5 favorites]

Discount Eddie Izzard?

No. He's like Piers Morgan's unfunny cousin.
posted by urbanwhaleshark at 2:37 PM on December 20, 2017 [1 favorite]

Last year, I abandoned a bank-heist script intended as a Debbie Reynolds vehicle. In my mind's eye, her co-conspirator friends were Rita Moreno, Diahann Carroll, and Sophia Loren (yes, coming out of retirement, same as her character); her daughter and granddaughter were played by her real-life family, because I wanted to see the three generations on film together.
posted by Iris Gambol at 2:39 PM on December 20, 2017 [7 favorites]

I can sort of understand it when a character you're attached to is changed in some way that seems to destroy what's special about him/her. But the Ghostbusters reboot and this? Don't even have the same characters.

Yes, a thousands times yes.

The other movies are still there if somebody wants to see them. They could even make sequels for those if they wanted since it looks like different takes on it (is it? will there be cameos?).
posted by WaterAndPixels at 2:53 PM on December 20, 2017 [1 favorite]

I really wanted a Dirty Rotten Scoundrels remake with Mahershala Ali and Dev Patel! Oh well, Rebel Wilson is OK I guess...

(I actually like Rebel!)
posted by pxe2000 at 2:55 PM on December 20, 2017 [1 favorite]

"I can't tell the difference between that many white men in suits. 8 is much more manageable."

I realize you're trying to be clever here, but of the 11 from the 2001 movie, 3 are men of color, 2 are Jewish (and Andy Garcia is Cuban but not one of the 11 but he's in the movie and in a suit) so can you maybe not erase them, thanks.
posted by FritoKAL at 2:57 PM on December 20, 2017 [6 favorites]

I've been told by folks who've seen the script that this time they drag race against a nuclear submarine.
posted by glonous keming at 3:03 PM on December 20, 2017

I like it and look forward to it but it's still a bit too white to qualify for perfection.

Not that this movie wouldn't benefit from more diversity, but at least it doesn't over-represent non-Hispanic whiteness in the US, which is 60%, or roughly 5 out of 8.
posted by mrmurbles at 3:53 PM on December 20, 2017 [3 favorites]

I kept thinking CALL ME RIHANNA during this trailer but maybe I've watched the Sailor J contouring 101 video too many times.
posted by fifteen schnitzengruben is my limit at 4:55 PM on December 20, 2017 [11 favorites]

(On further introspection, I do not think one can watch the contouring video too many times.)
posted by fifteen schnitzengruben is my limit at 4:56 PM on December 20, 2017 [9 favorites]

Last year, I abandoned a bank-heist script intended as a Debbie Reynolds vehicle. In my mind's eye, her co-conspirator friends were Rita Moreno, Diahann Carroll, and Sophia Loren (yes, coming out of retirement, same as her character); her daughter and granddaughter were played by her real-life family, because I wanted to see the three generations on film together.

I very, very much want to see this movie!
posted by gladly at 5:38 PM on December 20, 2017 [1 favorite]

I am so here for this. I have been craving an all-women con-job/heist film for years.

oh let me tell you about my all-female recast of snatch starring indira varma as turkish and priyanka chopra as tommy.

helen mirren is brick top
posted by poffin boffin at 5:44 PM on December 20, 2017 [15 favorites]

helen mirren is brick top

I SO want to see this!

Do you know what nemesis means?
posted by WaterAndPixels at 5:57 PM on December 20, 2017 [5 favorites]

How perfect that they are using "These Boots are Made for Walking," by Nancy Sinatra. Talk about an homage!

Can't wait to see this.
posted by dancing_angel at 6:05 PM on December 20, 2017 [1 favorite]

I realize you're trying to be clever here

Yeah, sorry about that, I was honestly thinking about how I find Brad Pitt and Matt Damon confusingly similar and I can never remember which is which in those movies especially and I have basically forgot the rest of the plot and cast because these movies are over a decade old.
posted by Emmy Rae at 6:38 PM on December 20, 2017 [2 favorites]

I find myself wishing I had a specific set of highly honed skills that would have gotten me invited to accompany this team. *sigh* In the infinite universe theory, though, I actually DID. I'll try to find some comfort in this.
posted by Nancy_LockIsLit_Palmer at 6:40 PM on December 20, 2017 [1 favorite]

In Ocean's 9, Melissa McCarthy and Leslie Jones are the "dumb cops" who go Columbo on their prey.

Sandra Bullock, behind the wheel of a RHD Lambo Hurrican, flat out on a desert highway. Suddenly Melissa McCarthy appears right beside her... in the passenger seat of a super-charged Shelby Cobra replicar, "Yeah, I'm gonna have to ask you to pull over, now. And make it quick, I don't think my partner can see all that well past that intake stack."
"I can't see all that well past that big-ass camel hump, partner, tell her to pull over quick!"
"I'm tryin'a, she ain't listenin', but I just don't wanna shewt 'er!"
posted by Slap*Happy at 9:23 PM on December 20, 2017

Oo, Awkwafina! I saw her at a free show under a bridge this summer -- this is certainly a bigger screen! Definitely going to watch.
posted by batter_my_heart at 9:44 PM on December 20, 2017

meryl streep is cousin avi
posted by poffin boffin at 12:20 AM on December 21, 2017

Husband tells me there's going to be an Ocean's 8:

"Oh ffs make it stop can't they make anything original these days?"

I watch the actual trailer after I see it's an all woman cast including Sandra Bullock who I have a special love in my heart forever after Miss Congeniality:

"PANDER TO MEEEEEE. PRESS! PLAY! AGAIN!"

(I hope this is what I wanted Zoolander 2 to be.)
posted by like_neon at 2:03 AM on December 21, 2017

I see we've brought up Sandra Bullock and Melissa McCarthy. Is this where I can randomly bring up The Heat? Because I really liked The Heat and I'm already looking forward to them working together again in Ocean's 9 because they had great chemistry.
posted by like_neon at 2:06 AM on December 21, 2017 [9 favorites]

Saw the title, immediate thought was, “Oh, geez, ANOTHER rehashed Ocean’s movie?”

I'll be happy if it's a decent heist movie with engaging protagonists in which our team of con-artists don't drop an EMP in the middle of a city, almost certainly killing more people than if they'd just shot everyone in the casino. I like the genre - but have a special loathing for Ocean's 11.
posted by Francis at 2:13 AM on December 21, 2017

The appeal of the orginal Ocean's movies is, IMHO, only partly the charm of the actors. It's all about Stephen Soderberg's amazing talent, style, and humor. Take that out with a different director--Gary Ross--and the movie's charm becomes a big question mark. There are countless examples of films with a great cast and a terrible script and/or director.
posted by zardoz at 3:04 AM on December 21, 2017

Why no love for the original Ocean's Eleven with Sammy Davis Jr? I found the remake to be on par with the remake of The Manchurian Candidate.
posted by wierdo at 5:09 AM on December 21, 2017 [1 favorite]

my comment on this, and TLJ, and the Ghostbusters reboot stands:

“If you think it retroactively 'ruined your childhood memories', your childhood was probably sad and already ruined, and you should think about what you're going to do tomorrow.”

As a cishet male who loves heist movies, I cannot wait for this. And the movie created by a Twitter of Rihanna and Lupita N’Yongo of the rich con artist and her techie partner running grifts. I want this hugely because I feel they could be spectacular.
posted by mephron at 5:45 AM on December 21, 2017 [3 favorites]

Caught Logan Lucky a couple of weeks ago which was 'Ocean's 11 but really Southern and Nascar and not as good'... which wasn't really what I was expecting tbh.
posted by fearfulsymmetry at 6:58 AM on December 21, 2017 [1 favorite]

“If you think it retroactively 'ruined your childhood memories', your childhood was probably sad and already ruined, and you should think about what you're going to do tomorrow.”

My thought is, if this sort of thing can "ruin your childhood" then I actively want your childhood ruined.
posted by Navelgazer at 7:10 AM on December 21, 2017 [3 favorites]

like_neon: As a native Masshole who drops into full townie accent when surrounded by my people, The Heat has a special place in my heart just for the "AHH YOU A NAAHHHK?" scene.
posted by rmd1023 at 10:07 AM on December 21, 2017 [5 favorites]

Me, googling Awkwafina because I've never heard of her:oh dear god i'm so fucking gay
posted by FirstMateKate at 10:21 AM on December 21, 2017 [2 favorites]

Why no love for the original Ocean's Eleven with Sammy Davis Jr? I found the remake to be on par with the remake of The Manchurian Candidate.

Ocean's 11 is one of the very few cases where I think the remake is better than the original, which I thought was really slow (and I like old movies, so it's not just an attention span thing). And despite the cast and Billy Wilder consulting on the script ... eh. My favorite thing about it was seeing the Las Vegas of the period.
posted by pmurray63 at 12:07 PM on December 21, 2017 [4 favorites]

I am 100% here for this movie. I am going to see it even if the reviews are awful because the rightwing manbabies can kiss my arse. If this film is anywhere near as much fun as Spy, Girl's Trip, Pitch Perfect or The Heat, I will be chuffed. Being easily pleased is fun that way.

I have a rule that I will try to see any movie that has two adult women not in bikinis/superhero suits on the poster, to try to encourage more women in film by spending my cash accordingly. It's working out okay so far.

(Why so tough on James Corden? He can be a bit of a bumptious twerp but he can write, I think his heart is sort of in the right place, and he is nothing like that lying cock Piers Morgan. Or did I miss something terrible? It's been that kind of year)
posted by finisterre at 3:13 PM on December 21, 2017 [3 favorites]

Well, this for a start.

And he's co-written one decent thing in his life, and I'm pretty sure Ruth Jones pretty much carried him for that entire series.
posted by urbanwhaleshark at 3:35 PM on December 21, 2017

Your all-women heist movie fantasy: Set It Off.
posted by artof.mulata at 8:54 PM on December 22, 2017

Ocean's 11 is one of the very few cases where I think the remake is better than the original, which I thought was really slow (and I like old movies, so it's not just an attention span thing). And despite the cast and Billy Wilder consulting on the script ... eh. My favorite thing about it was seeing the Las Vegas of the period.

I agree that old school Vegas is a big part of the appeal of the original, but so is the Hays code workaround at the end. Regardless, the remake is fine, though I haven't cared for the sequels much at all. Either way, the existence of a new version in no way harms my enjoyment of any previous versions whether it turns out well it turns out poorly.

Sometimes I'll complain about franchises like Star Trek where I'd like to see it go in a different direction than it has because I want more to enjoy and the new stuff isn't scratching the itch, but that's because in that case the changes are depriving me of something, or at least I feel like they are. Still, I'm not butting into every conversation that remotely relates to it to complain that the studio isn't catering to my specific whims.

They could make a new Ghostbusters with the lead characters played by the giant animatromic ants from Honey, I Shrunk The Kids and it would make no difference to me. That's why I can't understand why people care so much when genders or ethnicities are changed when films are remade. I think some people are under the mistaken impression literally everything is about them. It's not like there is a dearth of media catering to nearly any preference at this point, no matter what your particular interests. Why not enjoy some of that rather than whine, I say. ;)
posted by wierdo at 11:45 PM on December 22, 2017