Ideology Discovery
December 21, 2017 9:17 AM   Subscribe

 
I got Equality, Justice, Socialism.
posted by The Whelk at 9:18 AM on December 21, 2017 [2 favorites]


Humanity · Socialism · Equality for me, but there were more than few questions I returned Neutral on, mostly because I didn't understand them. Who wrote this stuff? Can't we get this in plain English, please?
posted by SansPoint at 9:26 AM on December 21, 2017 [9 favorites]


I gave up after I had to look up a word in 3 questions in a row. Interesting stuff though.
posted by pintapicasso at 9:31 AM on December 21, 2017 [1 favorite]


Equality · Justice · Humanity

This was like taking a Political Science midterm, though. All it's missing is a scantron.
posted by soren_lorensen at 9:35 AM on December 21, 2017 [6 favorites]


I came across at least one pretty bogus formulation: "Technical progress should not change society too quickly." I support technical progress as a general principle, even if it results in rapid social change. However, if the change is too quick, it's almost by definition a bad thing.
posted by Jasper Fnorde at 9:49 AM on December 21, 2017 [9 favorites]


Humanity · Justice · Equality

Sounds about right to me, but as mentioned above, there were a couple questions that weren't well enough defined for me to state an opinion on.
posted by haruspicina at 9:51 AM on December 21, 2017 [3 favorites]


And then there's "Sabotage is legitimate under certain conditions." If "certain conditions" include railroads leading to death camps, sure, that's legitimate. But I suspect they mean broader, more common conditions than that.
posted by Jasper Fnorde at 9:53 AM on December 21, 2017 [3 favorites]


Justice · Ecology · Socialism

Sounds about right. Lots of Neutral answers for fuzzy questions though.
posted by HumanComplex at 9:55 AM on December 21, 2017 [1 favorite]


Justice · Socialism · Revolution

I think I know what's going on my next business cards
posted by zjacreman at 10:02 AM on December 21, 2017 [8 favorites]


Humanity, Justice, Equality for me also.

I wonder what the results would be if I had answered each question with the opposite of my real opinion -- Inhumanity, Injustice, Inequality? Got too much on my plate today to go through the whole thing again, or I'd try it.
posted by TwoToneRow at 10:02 AM on December 21, 2017


Justice · Ecology · Humanity

Works for me
posted by Billiken at 10:03 AM on December 21, 2017 [1 favorite]


Humanity · Equality · Justice

I suspect much of Metafilter will be similar.
posted by dazed_one at 10:03 AM on December 21, 2017 [4 favorites]


The flags are ugly as sin.
posted by dazed_one at 10:04 AM on December 21, 2017 [2 favorites]


Work · Liberty · Order

Probably not a surprise to anyone who follows my comments here.
posted by Bruce H. at 10:07 AM on December 21, 2017 [1 favorite]


Equality, Socialism, Justice

Apparently I'm 17% conservative, but 95% communist. I can live with that.
posted by shapes that haunt the dusk at 10:08 AM on December 21, 2017


Unfortunately so poorly worded it's like it was machine translated from another language.
posted by bassomatic at 10:08 AM on December 21, 2017 [9 favorites]


Equality · Humanity · Justice

Not at all surprised by this one.
posted by cooker girl at 10:09 AM on December 21, 2017


No salespersons will call.
posted by Oyéah at 10:09 AM on December 21, 2017 [1 favorite]


Unfortunately so poorly worded it's like it was machine translated from another language.

The folks who set it up are French.
posted by zjacreman at 10:11 AM on December 21, 2017 [2 favorites]


> "The folks who set it up are French."

Can you get Liberty · Fraternity · Equality?
posted by kyrademon at 10:12 AM on December 21, 2017 [17 favorites]


Humanity / Work / Justice, with emphasis on rehabilitation, progressivism, strongly regulated capitalism, and reform. Super boring flag, though.

Having grey areas within each axis was a nice touch. I was a little surprised at the ecology axis, though -- seemed like I'd chosen at least "somewhat agree" for most of the environmental questions, and "strongly agree" for stuff like fighting climate change. I guess some of the pure economic questions have bearing on this, too?

Also, the Help link at the end is broken, but you can find it here.
posted by Rhaomi at 10:14 AM on December 21, 2017 [1 favorite]


Justice · Equality · Ecology
I don't really think that ecology informs my political views that much, but maybe this is the consequence of all of those fuzzy statements I chose to be neutral on.

For anyone, like me, getting a 404 for the help page, here's the correct link: http://politiscales.la-commune.net/en_US/help

It seems it was developed by a French group, which may be why the English is sometimes a bit fuzzy. For the francophones among us, you may prefer the test in VF.
posted by invokeuse at 10:18 AM on December 21, 2017


Socialism · Humanity · Justice
posted by Thorzdad at 10:20 AM on December 21, 2017


Ecology Humanity Work
posted by Oyéah at 10:23 AM on December 21, 2017


Humanity, Justice, Socialism

It felt that there were so many questions that needed to be unpacked further though, like the question about space travel being necessary to reduce mineral dependency. I answered neutrally because it seemed like there was much more that needed to be said on that subject. It seemed like a decent attempt to sketch out a more three-dimensional political landscape, but ultimately, it still felt like a sketch.
posted by triangle at 10:23 AM on December 21, 2017 [1 favorite]


Beyoncé · Björk · Madonna
posted by peeedro at 10:35 AM on December 21, 2017 [19 favorites]


Work · Equality · Humanity
With additional characteristics of "Pragmatism : politics objectively boil down to looking at where the problems are and trying to solve them according to the means available."

Kinda all over the place, but yes, several of the questions I kinda agreed with one part and the other part maybe not.
posted by dreamling at 10:38 AM on December 21, 2017


Kinder • Küche • Kirche
posted by theorique at 10:40 AM on December 21, 2017 [5 favorites]


I found a lot of the questions pretty leading. Humanity, Equality, Work
posted by frumiousb at 10:43 AM on December 21, 2017 [1 favorite]


A few privacy notes: the link in the OP is unencrypted, but the site appears to be running on github so you can switch it to https:// (by adding the "s") and add a security exception (accepting the mismatched github certificate) and it will work. Also, the quiz itself is implemented in client-side script, so once you've loaded the quiz page you can disconnect from the internet and still run through all the questions, without any reloading to show you a new advertisement with every question or anything like that; it only wants to connect to the server to show you the result. Google and Facebook tracking code is embedded in the page (what have communes come to these days!) but a non-crappy ad blocker should block those.
posted by XMLicious at 10:46 AM on December 21, 2017 [1 favorite]


Justice · Equality · Socialism

and

Pragmatism : politics objectively boil down to looking at where the problems are and trying to solve them according to the means available.

which will surprise neither anyone who knows me nor works with me not has ever played D&D with me.
posted by crush at 10:50 AM on December 21, 2017


Man, this thing has a lot of translation or wording issues.

"Biologically, human beings are designed for heterosexuality."

The usage of 'biologically' and 'designed' together is bewildering, let alone the vagueness of how they're defining 'heterosexuality' (physical attraction? emotional relationships? reproduction?)

"The police should be armed."

Again, a vast gulf of possibilities. An officer with a taser and an officer with an automatic rifle are both 'armed,' as is the officer with no training and the one with extensive training.
posted by Molten Berle at 10:51 AM on December 21, 2017 [3 favorites]


I closed the tab at Ramdom.
posted by emelenjr at 10:54 AM on December 21, 2017 [3 favorites]


I don't know why I have this dark impulse to take online quizzes. I always hate them. I always end up conflicted about giving a technically accurate answer and the answer that best represents what I mean, because those are often different things. I have a million things I'd almost never endorse, but can imagine bizarre circumstances where I'd make an exception, and situations in which I don't know whether I should give the perfect or the real world answer.

And I super do not love being prompted to produce hot takes on subjects I'm not well informed on, or to answer based on terms they haven't clearly defined. I grayed out on a lot of those questions.

But my strongest objection is that, like dazed_one, I got a really uglyassed flag. Ugly flags are the one political topic on which I do not waver.
posted by ernielundquist at 10:56 AM on December 21, 2017 [7 favorites]


I always assume these tests are out there to collect information about me and my political views for some dark future use. So, for the record, I want borders eliminated, euthanasia legalized, and I think violent revolution is sometimes necessary. And I want the letter M stricken from the English language.
posted by chavenet at 11:01 AM on December 21, 2017 [1 favorite]


Equality, humanity, work.

And pragmatism.
posted by floweredfish at 11:05 AM on December 21, 2017 [2 favorites]


welp, unsurprising to me; good international capitalist that I am, I'm Equality-Humanity-Work

seconding that a lot of these were super vague; and that I ended up with 'neutral/hesitant' since I wanted more information damn it. I'm more pragmatic than these quizzes allow for apparently.
posted by larthegreat at 11:05 AM on December 21, 2017


Justice Ecology Humanity

I poked hesitant on a number of the ambiguously worded questions.

My most balanced category is Revolution v Reform. I guess I still see some hope that the good in what we have is worth working for, and that the reason I read the news every day and want it all to burn is because that's probably what the current administration actually wants.
posted by OHenryPacey at 11:08 AM on December 21, 2017


Equality - Work - Justice, plus pragmatism.

Which is not too terribly surprising.
posted by fencerjimmy at 11:09 AM on December 21, 2017


I hate people, so I'm a bit surprised.

Revolution · Humanity · Socialism

Also mildly surprised at the lack of revolutionaries here.
posted by booooooze at 11:10 AM on December 21, 2017


Bacon. Lettuce. Tomato.
posted by briank at 11:13 AM on December 21, 2017 [2 favorites]


Equality · Humanity · Socialism

No surprises here. Back in the day I would have scored higher in favor of the Revolution, but that was before I found out that revolutions are generally indistinguishable from civil wars, which ought not to be taken under consideration until tanks are posted at the freeway off-ramps, and troops stop you on the street and ask you for your papers.

Ah crap. I forgot about the border patrol. Oh well. By the time they get around to arresting Liberals & Progressives I'll be too old to put in a camp, but maybe I need to rethink this.
posted by mule98J at 11:18 AM on December 21, 2017 [1 favorite]


I came here to post what Chavenet said. As I took the quiz and the previous sextant one i keep thinking: great way for an algorithm to score political suspects for later flagging. (sarcasm) But I for one welcome our distopian technopanopticon. Heil hydra! (/sarcasm)
posted by Anchorite_of_Palgrave at 11:18 AM on December 21, 2017 [1 favorite]


Hmm. Like the Myers-Briggs, it's not at all clear to me how having completed this test does anything except waste time. My results ("Equality*Humanity*Justice," with far right bars on everything except a very mixed Ecology/Productivism scale) seems more or less exactly like what I would have penciled in if you just read me the categories and asked me to draw lines.

The very specific subfields of social science dedicated to asking people what they think and then telling people what they think based on their responses aren't terribly exciting.
posted by eotvos at 11:18 AM on December 21, 2017 [3 favorites]


I like that they use butterflies as a symbol of "Laissez-faire". I've never thought of it like that.
posted by WalkingAround at 11:19 AM on December 21, 2017 [2 favorites]


Equality · Humanity · Ecology

Socialism fell just barely behind Ecology. But I blame capitalism for nearly all our ecological trouble as well as social inequalities.

I've got 24% Revolution and 24% Reformism. I think earlier in the year I would have skewed more toward Revolution but I'm just plain tired. And a "burn it all down" attitude is really not what we need anyway.
posted by Foosnark at 11:19 AM on December 21, 2017 [1 favorite]


Equality-Humanity-Socialism.
Still not sure about some of the questions.
posted by evilDoug at 11:26 AM on December 21, 2017


I'm kind of mad that I didn't get a playable stellaris race after all of that.
posted by The Gaffer at 11:31 AM on December 21, 2017 [6 favorites]


Humanity Equality Justice, with pragmatism as my kicker -er, "additional characteristic.


And I'm pretty much the opposite of a nationalist according to the test, which checks out.
posted by me3dia at 11:34 AM on December 21, 2017


Equality · Justice · Humanity

No surprise there.
posted by Sophie1 at 11:36 AM on December 21, 2017


"work" is a political ideology?
posted by humboldt32 at 11:36 AM on December 21, 2017 [2 favorites]


Maybe okcupid can just use this as their matching algo?

Also, knowing my fellow lefties (with love): Is my 64% communist pure enough to get me onto the barricade?
posted by maxwelton at 11:41 AM on December 21, 2017


I wonder what the results would be if I had answered each question with the opposite of my real opinion

I took the test again, answering the opposite of my real answers and got: Work · Fatherland · Family

The complete list of labels is as follows:

c0: "Equality",
b0: "Humanity",
b1: "Fatherland",
p0: "Socialism",
p1: "Work",
m1: "Liberty",
s1: "Family",
j0: "Justice",
j1: "Order",
e0: "Ecology",
t0: "Revolution"

Note that some positions do not have labels like the "c" axis (Constructivism <> Essentialism) labels high constructivism scores valuing Equality but doesn't apply a label if you score high on essentialism and on the "m" axis you get "Liberty" as a value for scoring high on Laissez-faire but there is no label for those who favor Regulationnism.

Here is the list of additional characteristics:

Anarchism : When the people are being hit with a stick, they are not happier if the stick is called “the stick of the people”. The State is an oppression that must be abolished.
Pragmatism : politics objectively boil down to looking at where the problems are and trying to solve them according to the means available.
Radical feminism : gender should disappear to put an end to the patriarchy.
Complotism : the biggest problems of our society are the work of a small group of people. It is then essential to find them, inform the people of there objective and neutralize them.
Veganism : Human beings must stop at all costs the consumption and exploitation of “sensible” being.Monarchism : society should be organized around a king.
Missionnary : for you religon is important, especially yours. It is therefore appropriate to spread it as globally as possible.
posted by metaphorever at 11:42 AM on December 21, 2017 [5 favorites]


I got the Veganism badge. And I will wear that without hesitation as soon as we have a non-exploitative way to create donkey milk
posted by munchingzombie at 12:00 PM on December 21, 2017


I too am Equality Justice Socialism and I greatly enjoy our jaunty flag.
posted by winna at 12:30 PM on December 21, 2017


I'm still waiting for my vegan caribou eyeball snacks. We were promised vegan caribou eyeball buckets in our dystopian future.
posted by bonehead at 12:31 PM on December 21, 2017


Monarchism : society should be organized around a king.

Hey, is Socialism/Monarchism ending possible?

"Emperor/Empress of Socialism" has a nice ring to it.
posted by FJT at 12:32 PM on December 21, 2017


Justice · Humanity · Equality

with lots of neutrals.

Where was the flag? Was it just that magenta square?
posted by maggiemaggie at 12:33 PM on December 21, 2017


Equality, Humanity, Work, which sounds good (I guess?) but doesn't mean much to me.

The graphs do look about right, though.
posted by sirshannon at 12:57 PM on December 21, 2017


this test is very long and i want to have an armed insurrection against it
posted by poffin boffin at 1:10 PM on December 21, 2017 [1 favorite]


Justice · Humanity · Socialism. I see that I'm in good company. Fellow travelers, one might say.
posted by mkhall at 1:21 PM on December 21, 2017


Justice-Humanity-Socialism (which is probably fair enough)
posted by atoxyl at 1:21 PM on December 21, 2017


Teetering on the edge with Justice-Humanity-Equality. I have a hard time with the wording of some of the "Constructivism-Essentialism" questions because I'm an "uh, technically it's probably both?" kinda guy, you know?
posted by atoxyl at 1:34 PM on December 21, 2017


Justice-Humanity-Socialism.

(I feel like some of the equality high score related questions require you to subscribe to a blank slate idea of human nature/biology that I find a bit unlikely. I could certainly be wrong though, and even with that in mind my "equality" result was very close to the top three.)
posted by Dumsnill at 1:36 PM on December 21, 2017


Like others, I found some of the statements unclear or to vague but then that is a characteristic of such a generalized method.

Socialism · Humanity · Justice + Pragmatism + Veganism
posted by juiceCake at 1:38 PM on December 21, 2017 [1 favorite]


I'm a bit surprised MeFites are still willing to take free online quizzes now that we know everything we know about what they're used for.
posted by xyzzy at 2:07 PM on December 21, 2017 [1 favorite]


Humanity · Justice · Equality
posted by Splunge at 2:14 PM on December 21, 2017


"I'm a bit surprised MeFites are still willing to take free online quizzes now that we know everything we know about what they're used for."

Well that's certainly a good point, but then again most of us are fantastically drunk.
posted by Dumsnill at 2:23 PM on December 21, 2017 [5 favorites]


Lather · Rinse · Repeat
posted by chavenet at 2:31 PM on December 21, 2017 [4 favorites]


Humanity, Equality, Socialism
posted by rocket88 at 2:41 PM on December 21, 2017


Ecology · Equality · Humanity

works for me. I was bewildered by the Monarch question, because why would we want two?
posted by bouvin at 2:47 PM on December 21, 2017


The filing and storage of personal records should be delimited strictly and database cross-checking should be forbidden.



Wut?
posted by runcibleshaw at 3:14 PM on December 21, 2017 [4 favorites]


I answered Neutral/Hesitant on almost every question, because my responses were "What exactly are we talking about here?" and "Well, it depends, doesn't it." Experience has made me extremely wary of answering any question out of context.

That notwithstanding, I got weirdly high scores for labels that are comically wrong for me. Almost as if the test was actually giving me a random score.
posted by Weftage at 3:19 PM on December 21, 2017


It is unfair to set a minimal penalty for an offense or a crime

Hmm, pretty sure they meant minimum here...
posted by thedamnbees at 3:22 PM on December 21, 2017


Well to be fair some drug "crimes" absolutely should have a minimal penalty if any penalty at all.
posted by Dumsnill at 3:29 PM on December 21, 2017


> The filing and storage of personal records should be delimited strictly and database cross-checking should be forbidden.

Wut?

This is hinting at privacy issues, the increasingly common state of affairs where a company may not store your name or SSN or birthdate, and consequently can claim that they "don't store your personal information", but they hang on to so much other information that a "fingerprint", as it were, of unique data points can still allow two sets of supposedly-anonymized information to be matched up as belonging to the same person.

For example, your phone broadcasts a unique identification number to any WiFi network you pass by, even if you don't try to connect to the internet through it, and sends a similar ID to cell towers. So if a retailer records a list of all the phone IDs present in its building(s) all day, then from matching up that list to the dates and times of any two transactions you've made at their store(s), they can probably figure out what your phone ID is. Then, their profile of your purchases and other information can be matched up with the records of any other organization that does the same kind of tracking, via the phone ID. Even if you always pay with cash, and of course only one set of information, out of many put together in ways like this, needs to have your name in it to link you to everything else.
posted by XMLicious at 5:06 PM on December 21, 2017 [1 favorite]


I got Justice · Equality · Ecology and I left a lot neutral either because I did not understand the question or felt it was worded in a way that skewed my response.

There are 8 measured ideas, and answers are scaled between them.

Constructivism...........Essentialism

Rehabilitative justice...Punitive justice

Progressism..............Conservatism

Internationalism.........Nationalism

Communism................Capitalism

Regulationnism...........Laissez-faire

Ecology..................Productivism

Revolution...............Reformism

posted by theora55 at 5:09 PM on December 21, 2017


Equality · Humanity · Socialism

I was happy to learn I am 1% more Communist than capitalist.
posted by njohnson23 at 5:30 PM on December 21, 2017


Humanity · Ecology · Revolution

REVOLUTION y'all!
posted by tarantula at 6:52 PM on December 21, 2017 [4 favorites]


Mental note: make nice with tarantula to avoid being first up against the wall.
posted by tobascodagama at 7:19 PM on December 21, 2017 [2 favorites]


Equality Humanity Justice


Some of the questions were confusing. I'm ashamed to admit I had to wiki transhumanism.
posted by daybeforetheday at 8:41 PM on December 21, 2017


The filing and storage of personal records should be delimited strictly and database cross-checking should be forbidden.


XMLicious above has it right but to answer the question why the question makes no sense (or not much) is that it is badly translated French.

It looks like it owes a debt to this questionnaire https://8values.github.io/index.html
posted by Ashwagandha at 8:43 PM on December 21, 2017


There were a number of flaky questions. Are you still beating your wife, meat, dog, draft? Are you going to shoot people with your mouth bullets, or will you use real bullets? Do you support the rule of unfair law? Do you put salt and pepper on the rich you eat, or have eaten, or will eat? What kind of sauce do you put on your money? If you saw an elected official clubbing Bobby Seale?
posted by Oyéah at 8:57 PM on December 21, 2017 [1 favorite]


I'm a bit surprised MeFites are still willing to take free online quizzes now that we know everything we know about what they're used for.

that's why i take all of them in character as though i was mads mikkelsen playing hideo kojima's version of hannibal
posted by poffin boffin at 9:05 PM on December 21, 2017 [4 favorites]


Justice · Equality · Socialism
posted by ob1quixote at 10:28 PM on December 21, 2017


I'm ashamed to admit I had to wiki transhumanism.

This should be a point of pride.
posted by biogeo at 11:21 PM on December 21, 2017 [4 favorites]


Work . Liberty . Humanity

and then

Pragmatism : politics objectively boil down to looking at where the problems are and trying to solve them according to the means available.

Hmmm. There’s always a problem with one dimensional quizzes
posted by Kwadeng at 2:04 AM on December 22, 2017


Equality - Humanity - Revolution

Big time 2017 mood.
posted by slimepuppy at 2:39 AM on December 22, 2017


Socialism, Equality, Humanism.
posted by AnhydrousLove at 4:18 AM on December 22, 2017


A good number of these statements are so ambiguous and vague that it renders the whole endeavor rather meaningless. "Technical progress should not change society too quickly." Yes? No? Depends???
posted by zardoz at 4:51 AM on December 22, 2017 [2 favorites]


Humanity Socialism Ecology

I’m all for getting rid of political borders and putting the trees in charge, so these are some accurate results despite how terribly vague some of the questions were.
posted by erisfree at 9:16 AM on December 22, 2017


Humanity · Equality · Justice

I'm cool with this. Also interested in how many other people have similar results, just in different orders.
posted by sharp pointy objects at 9:17 AM on December 22, 2017 [1 favorite]


I got Equality Work Humanity.

There were about 10 questions I didn't understand at all. I guess I should have used a dictionary too.
posted by Ms. Moonlight at 9:41 AM on December 22, 2017


Humanity Ecology Justice which I feel is pretty right for me. Additional characteristics were Pragmatism. Besides the weird questions that I mostly answered grey, I like this quiz because it tells me what I wanted to hear about myself.
posted by LizBoBiz at 10:20 AM on December 22, 2017


I was annoyed by a couple of straw men like this one:

"Changing the system radically is counter-productive. We should rather transform it progressively."

It’s not that radical change is counterproductive, it’s that often tactics that are intended to lead to radical change can be counterproductive. CF: voting third party.
posted by mrmurbles at 12:25 PM on December 22, 2017


There's nothing radical about voting.
posted by Bangaioh at 1:16 PM on December 22, 2017


There's nothing radical about voting.

Ah, so you're saying that in their sentence "changing the system radically is counter-productive" "radically" modifies "changing" rather than "the system." Or in other words, what they mean is "Using radical methods to change the system is counterproductive."

In which case 1. they need to define radical (is it just political violence and illegal sabotage, which are already mentioned elsewhere in the quiz?) and 2. the question is so situation-speicific as to be meaningless. The better response options here would be "always/sometimes/never" rather than agree/disagree.
posted by mrmurbles at 1:53 PM on December 22, 2017


Equality, Socialism, Revolution
posted by salix at 9:05 PM on December 26, 2017


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