The Cost Of All That Magic

September 26, 2018 5:57 AM

“When the survey, “Working for the Mouse,” was published in February 2018, Glynndana went to a press conference at Occidental College to hear the results. She picked up a copy of the 132-page report and flipped through its pages. “When I was looking at the graphs, it smacked me in the face,” she said. Out of the 5,000 people who completed the survey—one-sixth of Disneyland Resort’s workforce—73 percent reported that they didn’t earn enough money to pay for basic expenses like rent, food, and gas. The survey also revealed that, when adjusted for inflation, average wages in the park had declined 15 percent between 2000 and 2017. More than one in ten respondents said that, at some point in the past two years, they did not have a place of their own to sleep. This is serious, Glynndana thought. It’s not only you.“ The Real Cost of Working in the House of Mouse (Topic)
posted by The Whelk (47 comments total)

As someone who's lived in Florida for a great many decades, and made many a forced trip to Disney World when relatives and friends come to visit, they could burn this over priced nonsense to the ground and I would not even blink. I may even make a s'more or two to celebrate, because they are delicious.

I would LOVE to see one of these reports out on Amazon warehouse employees.
HOO BOY. That's a real fuckin' horror show right there.
We can call it "The Cost of All That Prime."
posted by Major Matt Mason Dixon at 6:55 AM on September 26, 2018 [17 favorites]

Out of the 5,000 people who completed the survey—one-sixth of Disneyland Resort’s workforce—73 percent reported that they didn’t earn enough money to pay for basic expenses like rent, food, and gas.
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In a statement to the New York Times in February, a Disney spokesperson said, “The [survey] results are deliberately distorted and do not reflect how the overwhelming majority of our 30,000 cast members feel about the company.”

Even if you assume that the sample is so unrepresentative that literally everyone who feels they don't earn enough to pay basic expenses chose to respond to the survey, 73% of 5,000 respondents still represents over 10% of the total 30,000 workforce. Either that spokesperson has a very different understanding than I of what "overwhelming majority" means, or they are straight up accusing respondents of lying.
posted by solotoro at 7:00 AM on September 26, 2018 [6 favorites]

I would LOVE to see one of these reports out on Amazon warehouse employees.

Though not locked in the warehouse, Amazon's delivery drivers don't appear to fare well based on this article on the true cost of 'free' shipping.
posted by fairmettle at 7:10 AM on September 26, 2018

The NYT ran an op-doc about this: "Why These Disneyland Employees Can't Afford Rent".
posted by Going To Maine at 7:17 AM on September 26, 2018 [1 favorite]

The cost of living in urban California is becoming absolutely brutal. These are union jobs; even a union can’t manage to secure its members a living wage.
posted by mr_roboto at 7:19 AM on September 26, 2018 [8 favorites]

The interesting thing is that at least in CA, there is a path forward- the employees are unionized. Especially if they all work together, they could advocate for real change, backed by a real threat of a strike. The frustrating thing is that this happened despite there being a union.
posted by rockindata at 7:20 AM on September 26, 2018

Especially if they all work together, they could advocate for real change, backed by a real threat of a strike.

They just did this successfully! Literally. Disney just agreed this week to across the board wage hikes after negotiations with the union. But the minimum entry level wage is $15/hour, which is starting to look like less than adequate to live in Orange County.
posted by mr_roboto at 7:25 AM on September 26, 2018 [18 favorites]

It shows, too - on my last visits, every CM seemed stressed and overworked. The younger ones had obviously not had enough training. And in the busier seasons, they were relying too much on temporary work from students and retirees.
posted by The Underpants Monster at 7:27 AM on September 26, 2018

In 2014, Glynndana’s landlord raised the rent of her one-bedroom apartment from $800 to $1,500

Disney bears a lot of responsibility here, but the other half of the equation is worth keeping in mind as well.
posted by Ragged Richard at 7:27 AM on September 26, 2018 [32 favorites]

The article is really worth reading in full.

On another note - part of what's happening is profit taking by the company/stockholders, but part of what's happening is forcing wage stagnation on down the line until you find someone who has no choice but to put up with it. That is, everyone except the richest people is getting poorer. To conceal this from the middle class/voters/people who might make trouble, wages get forced down and down for the most vulnerable so that the middle class can continue to afford to shop and travel.

"Can't afford a taxi and the bus service got cut? We'll give you some super-exploited drivers via Uber!" "Can't afford good quality clothes? Well, at least you can buy plenty of super cheap ones made by super-exploited workers!" "Can't afford real organic food? We'll bork up the organic certification and you can buy Big Organic food grown and harvested by sweated labor when you go to Walmart!" And of course, "Can't afford a vacation? We'll cut the wages of the people who serve you on when you travel, also you can stay cheaply in the house of someone who has to rent rooms to make the mortgage!"
posted by Frowner at 7:32 AM on September 26, 2018 [107 favorites]

A boat full of guests enters the Pinocchio’s Daring Journey ride through the mouth of a whale.

Says the caption under a picture of guests entering the Storybookland Canal Boats ride.

(NB - does not invalidate the article, which is great and deserves a full read)
posted by The Underpants Monster at 7:55 AM on September 26, 2018 [5 favorites]

Capitalism is a giant combine harvester chewing up society more or less in order from poorest to richest. I guess they're about halfway across the field by now. I wonder when the gears will finally jam.
posted by seanmpuckett at 7:58 AM on September 26, 2018 [23 favorites]

It shows, too - on my last visits, every CM seemed stressed and overworked.

It's not just a recent thing, that's for sure.

My parents love Disney, and consequently I've been to Disney World an absurd number of times. Over the past 15-20 years, there's been a visible and ongoing decline in the experience that is more or less entirely explainable by, "the staff is being paid less and asked to do more, and each new burden on them shows".

The usual capitalism uber alles crew would have us believe that this would be held in check because Disney's product (the experience) would suffer and they'd have to react to market demands and increase pay or reduce burdens, but that shit's a bigger fantasy than anything in the Magic Kingdom.
posted by tocts at 8:31 AM on September 26, 2018 [15 favorites]

As tocts points out, "the market" doesn't fix this, because who's arguing that fantasy and beloved characters are commodities that are completely fungible? So the company gets to extract supra-market rents from consumers because of *love*.

This is what fuels the obscene amounts of money generated through and around professional sports. Loyalty, civic pride, and love commodified.
posted by pykrete jungle at 8:48 AM on September 26, 2018 [6 favorites]

There were a similar number when Mar El Largo was reported in a documentary on British TV..
posted by Burn_IT at 8:50 AM on September 26, 2018

It's also crazy when you have a business as entrenched as Disney and the local city council describes advocating for minor raises as 'job killers'. What are they going to do, up and move DisneyLand to Alabama?
posted by The_Vegetables at 8:52 AM on September 26, 2018 [20 favorites]

Over the past 15-20 years, there's been a visible and ongoing decline in the experience that is more or less entirely explainable by, "the staff is being paid less and asked to do more, and each new burden on them shows".

Can confirm same thing (adjusting for nostalgia and cynicism) happening at Disneyland Paris.

Source - Disney brat, mother just retired from 25 years in Imagineering and I now never have to hear "It's a Small World After All" ever again.
posted by Molesome at 9:05 AM on September 26, 2018 [4 favorites]

I grew up around Disneyland, CA so much that we used to meet up there after school to hang out and even do homework, because many of us had season passes, and those of us who didn't have passes, we all knew how to hack the gate re-entry system so well that we could sneak in a dozen extra people.

Yeah, we're the reason Disneyland uses thumbprints and RFID tags and stuff now. We're also part of the reason Bat's Night started up, unauthorized, and other cultural mob events. Or why Disneyland tried starting an all ages nightclub called Videodrome. Anyway.

And I had a bunch of peers that ended up working there as cast. It was known that it was a horrible, awful, low paying place to work back in the early 1990s. Friends had all kinds of things to say about dress code policies, work/sick leave policies and of course the insulting pay. Which, back then I think minimum wage was like 7.50 in CA, and it definitely was not a living wage back then, either. And if I'm recalling correctly, back then cast members paid fees or something for uniforms or there were some other weird Company Town style costs and wage recovery.

For reference, my dad's company started basic box-moving warehouse workers in the 10-12/hr range, same years. 15/hr wasn't uncommon in that economy for someone who could operate a clipboard or do slightly more skilled work.

And even back then there was fierce competition for those jobs. Because people were willingly drinking the kool-aid long before they even applied for the job, and it was seen as this special, exclusive thing to get hired and be a cast member and "join the club" as it were.

So almost every cast member I knew lived with their parents, or in god awful overcrowded apartments heavy on the partying, or even got by by sharing cheap weekly motels with other cast members.

I don't remember anyone lasting more than a year. The turnover and churn was ridiculous. Everyone burned out by the demands of the job sooner rather than later, and those stories of moving up from cast member to, say, imagineering are either bald face lies or from the birth of Disneyland in the 60s and 50s.

So, yeah, this has been going on for like 30 years and Disneyland and Disney Parks knows it. They know it's been like this for decades, and that's how they like it.
posted by loquacious at 9:19 AM on September 26, 2018 [25 favorites]

Oh, another penny-pinching anecdote: My dad's company used to contract for Disney Parks and Stores. If you bought a T-shirt from Disney Parks or Stores in the 1990s, chances are really good we made it.

I remember one shirt in particular that was a huge PITA to produce. It was a giant oversized blue sleep T-shirt printed with one of the seven Dwarves characters.

Disney charged about $60 in mid 1990s dollars for this particular shirt.

Want to know how much we made per shirt, net? A fraction of a penny. They paid us about $5-7 per shirt total. That's an oversized shirt (bulk wholesale cost about $3-4) and oversized print with the neck tags changed to Disney tags, and then each shirt was put on a hanger, bagged and retail hang tagged, then assortment packed in assorted cases, in split/sorted pallets all ready to go for crossdock shipping directly to Disney Stores or parks.

We even had our own art department and professional illustrator/cartoonist that did all of our own designs, which is SUPER RARE in the world of Disney, but we were that good, and it was one of the reasons we got the work. (The other reason is my dad wasn't the hardest dealmaker.) So Disney wasn't even paying for their own artists or design work.

All they had to do was ship the product, open assortment packed boxes and hang the shirts on the racks.

$60+ dollar t-shirt. $6 wholesale cost to them. Fractions of a penny in net profit.

Additionally, most of my memories of Disneyland aren't happy ones. I mainly remember the stress of standing in too many lines, feeling psychologically assaulted to spend money all the time, and just generally being really stressed out by trying to justify why I was in the park at all - often by going on as many E-ticket rides as I could. Which is it's own huge bag of stress and was often self-defeating.

I think I'll be ok if I never visit that place ever again.
posted by loquacious at 9:32 AM on September 26, 2018 [18 favorites]

> I guess they're about halfway across the field by now. I wonder when the gears will finally jam.

When the field is no longer in playable condition.
posted by The Card Cheat at 10:37 AM on September 26, 2018 [2 favorites]

"Happiest place on earth."
posted by Nerd of the North at 10:51 AM on September 26, 2018 [2 favorites]

Live in Orlando, my wife and I work at different theme park complexes, the mouse and the 'verse (No one actually calls it that). I only work very part time to keep the employee perks. I know a lot of people who work full time and I still have no idea how they get by. Usually by living with family or cramming a bunch of people into small apartments, and working at least one other job, sometimes at one of the competitors. The issue with low paying jobs is that is also keeps the wages of the surrounding tourism industry down as well, hotels, restaurants, smaller attractions. Plus there a lot of people who drink the magic Kool-Aid and move here with the hope of getting a job with them, even at minimum wage. If you want to fire someone, there is always a lot of others that will want to work there.

The $15/hr. minimum wage will force everyone else to raise their minimums if they don't want to lose staff to Disney. I am sure Universal and SeaWorld will match it, but they haven't announced it yet. Likewise for the surrounding area.

Disney is to some degree getting a lot of heat from guests since they are offering more and more pricey upgrades and activities at the cost of experiences for all of the guests. They have been seeing attendance flatten, and possibly drop a little bit, but they are making more money, so the average day guest gets further pushed out.

Oh, and they are raising ticket prices again.
posted by Badgermann at 10:53 AM on September 26, 2018 [2 favorites]

Major Matt Mason Dixon: As someone who's lived in Florida for a great many decades, and made many a forced trip to Disney World when relatives and friends come to visit, they could burn this over priced nonsense to the ground and I would not even blink. I may even make a s'more or two to celebrate, because they are delicious.

Nerd of the North: "Happiest place on earth."

The other side is people I know who flippin' love Disneyland. One older guy loves going there with his wife and friends, because they're catered and well supported (and they don't have kids, which further frees them to enjoy themselves, I say as a parent of two young boys ;)) -- what I imagine a cruise would be like, except without being trapped on a floating city. And I know families whose parents (if not also kids) are HYPER Disney fans, even getting into the MouseCraft trades (no one calls it that, I'm sure), making custom merch like creative and super-personalized mouse ear hats.

The sheen of "happiest place on earth" is thick enough to fool, or appease, certain (super) fans, at least.
posted by filthy light thief at 10:57 AM on September 26, 2018 [1 favorite]

Fuck Disney right into the sea. I worked for the big three network owned by them, and over the course of a few years it went from a great place to an abysmal nonsense factory.

Every once in a while my direct-deposit wouldn't go through and I didn't feel like spending 4 hours on the phone trying to get thru to an actual human in HR in Florida, so I'd have to go to the bank to cash or deposit a check (this was a long while ago). Inevitably the person at the counter would get a huge smile on their face and say "Oh wow, you work for DISNEY?! That must be amazing!!" and I'd say "yeah, have you ever been thoroughly abused by a cartoon mouse? It's an experience."
posted by nevercalm at 11:36 AM on September 26, 2018 [8 favorites]

Disney is to some degree getting a lot of heat from guests since they are offering more and more pricey upgrades and activities at the cost of experiences for all of the guests. They have been seeing attendance flatten, and possibly drop a little bit, but they are making more money, so the average day guest gets further pushed out.

Ah, yes, the velvet rope economy. Back in 2015, Disney was admitting that it hiked prices as a means of crowd management. And it leaned hard into it, to the point where it got mainstream press.

Combine that strategy with a baby bust -- which would have affected attendance trends anyway -- and it's no wonder there's a wobble in sales.
posted by sobell at 12:22 PM on September 26, 2018 [1 favorite]

Doesn't say much for the rest of the earth, does it?

You all know I've been a Disney fan most of my life, but so much of that is rooted in nostalgia for times when the company was less fucking insane. Sure, Walt was a union-hater (probably partly rooted in bad feelings about his father) but he at least acknowledged that if you don't want unions you have to treat your workers like people, and if you expect the best you need to pay for it. In those days they saw the value if putting profits back into the company.

The Disney stuff I mostly tend to buy is either secondhand, knockoff, or fan-created.
posted by The Underpants Monster at 12:27 PM on September 26, 2018 [2 favorites]

I always thought his union issues were mainly due to the 1941 Disney Animator's Strike.
posted by Badgermann at 12:37 PM on September 26, 2018 [2 favorites]

I think I'll be ok if I never visit that place ever again.

Never wanted to, never have, never will.
Although I might just change my mind if there's a bunch of you that want to go and burn it down?
posted by BlueHorse at 12:41 PM on September 26, 2018

Disneyland has been an all-union shop since 1955. I worked there in college. As a ride operator, I was required to join the Teamsters.

So, who’s really accountable here? Disney, a corporation focused only on the bottom line, which has been rolling in cash for 50+ years?

Or an ineffective group of unions, tasked with negotiating the best possible deal for their members? Why do I think there are union reps that just don’t work very hard?
posted by Cool Papa Bell at 12:55 PM on September 26, 2018

Yeah, the animators' strike, but I think he was predisposed to take that worse than he would have because of issues around his father. Same with his cooperation with HUAC.
posted by The Underpants Monster at 1:18 PM on September 26, 2018

Disney is one of the most evil companies on the planet and they get away with it so much easier than any other I can think of. Fuck Disney to the deepest pits of hell.
posted by GoblinHoney at 1:41 PM on September 26, 2018 [1 favorite]

Badgermann: Plus there a lot of people who drink the magic Kool-Aid and move here with the hope of getting a job with them, even at minimum wage. If you want to fire someone, there is always a lot of others that will want to work there.

I have a distant cousin who was a jungle cruise skipper and he summed up the types of employees he met there as three categories:
1) The starry-eyed magic believers who are glad to do the grunt work for lousy pay for the park access and discount perks.
2) The door-footers, who see working at Disney in any capacity as a way to work up to Imagineering/the studio/animation. As if some exec is going to say “hey we need another animator, wonder if that weirdo in the gift shop is available?”
3)What he called “refugees from life” - recent grads or people laid off from other jobs working at the park to figure out their next move and never quite moving on when it was probably long past their time to do so.
posted by dr_dank at 1:41 PM on September 26, 2018 [4 favorites]

I worked at Disneyland for about 6 months in 2009.

I knew a lead who was making less than $11 at that time who shared a one bedroom apartment with his mother and two children. He slept on the couch while his son slept on the living room floor. He wasn't able to afford the apartment on his own wage, but his mom had a pension that she gave to him.

I worked in Quick Service Foods (think ice cream or bakery or snacks). During training, they would talk so much about how the guest was paying a lot of money to be there, and we should give them the best experience. I tried, but it became harder after I made one mistake (I threw away one credit slip by mistake which meant I couldn't progress any where for an entire year). I did enjoy the policy of not needing a manager to make things right for the guest- just do it!

I was part of the union but never heard from them (there was a poster on the wall, but it usually had a rack of baked goods in front of it). I was likely pegged as a college kid who would be gone in a few months anyway. There was a sense that there were two groups: the serious people and the kids in college or well off people doing it for fun.

A good chunk of the employees loved Disney and would do every vacation at Disney. As soon as one vacation was done, they were planning the next one.

They did a volunteer event where they partnered with a group to teach schoolchildren about conserving water. I was the only person from the parks there - everyone else was from Burbank. They were salaried people who were paid to volunteer; I was an hourly person who was not.

I also went to Disney World last year with my sister and her kids. They are peak princess age, and we did several Disney Princess dinners. My sister is a great planner, so we got into several things not because we paid extra but because we were making reservations the moment those reservations opened at 6am EST. (The slots would be gone in a minute.)

These events were very white. In a dining room full of people paying a lot of money for this premium experience, there was generally one or none families of color. Often the princess Jasmine, Tatiana, or Mulan was the only person of color in the room (never more than one princess of color at a time!)

So, who’s really accountable here? Disney, a corporation focused only on the bottom line, which has been rolling in cash for 50+ years?

Or an ineffective group of unions, tasked with negotiating the best possible deal for their members? Why do I think there are union reps that just don’t work very hard?

It is fair to say both. It wasn't the union hanging up posters of cartoon characters scolding you to report coworkers who commit theft. The union didn't tell me that I was super privileged to be scooping ice cream to feed screaming children.
posted by Monday at 1:50 PM on September 26, 2018 [7 favorites]

Some local politics: since the media (LATimes in particular) has been shitting on the local govement for rolling over on the park (Disney only provides just 40% of revenues), there has been a competition, amongst people up for reelection, on who can bite the hand that feeds the hardest. I’d expect all that to go back to normal after November.

Also, someone who goes to Disneyland about once a month, I’d guess they could double or even triple prices and still have 120+ minute waits for rides such as Radiator Springs. Infact, they might do that anyway with Star Wars Land (or whatever it’s called) coming online next month.
posted by sideshow at 2:03 PM on September 26, 2018

I just wanted to check in and say that this isn't just Disney, but is any retail/service/support job in Orange County, CA. Rent is skyrocketing here as well as housing prices and though executives can afford to live here, those of us who work for them cannot. 2-3 hour commutes are regular at my place of business because no one can afford to live close and have a family.
posted by sleeping bear at 3:28 PM on September 26, 2018 [4 favorites]

Who’s really accountable here? Disney, a corporation focused only on the bottom line, which has been rolling in cash for 50+ years?

Or an ineffective group of unions, tasked with negotiating the best possible deal for their members? Why do I think there are union reps that just don’t work very hard?

I wonder if there have been any changes in the legal climate for unions since 1955. I wonder where I would go to find that out.
posted by praemunire at 3:32 PM on September 26, 2018 [5 favorites]

Oh, and they are raising ticket prices again.

And now offer a "discount" for guests that choose to turn down housekeeping services that is offset by raising the room rates. And an additional per-night charge for hotel guests that park in the hotel parking lot. Both of those rate increases alone should be enough to cover any raises that they put into place. Disney is slowly transitioning from being a blue ribbon vacation spot to the destination version of Jet Blue.
posted by dances with hamsters at 7:54 PM on September 26, 2018 [3 favorites]

It strikes me as weird to focus on Disney. Isn’t this just the story of ALL service jobs in the US? Wages suck and don’t keep pace with rising prices and rents.How is this a Disney thing?
posted by es_de_bah at 9:01 PM on September 26, 2018 [4 favorites]

I always talked about turning 65, taking my cushy pension, moving someplace like Fullerton, and applying for part-time work at the Disneyland costume shop just for kicks. But like a lot of people's, my prospective retirement income got a whole lot less cushy and a job that's more of a hobby won't be very practical.
posted by The Underpants Monster at 10:04 PM on September 26, 2018

Why focus on Disney? Because no one travels all the way from Utah to visit Knott's Berry Farm. In Orange County alone, Disneyland is the focal point for a tourist economy that employs 250,000 people.
posted by Brocktoon at 11:00 PM on September 26, 2018 [8 favorites]

Another reason for the focus on Disney is that the prices there for room, board, park admission, and merch are just fucking shocking, and anyone who's been recently can trivially observe that there are many people paying them. It's ridiculous that they can't manage to pay a living wage given what they're charging for every little thing you can imagine, especially when so much of the reputation of the place rests on the world-class service and entertainment. The cast makes the parks what they are, full stop.

I've been to the E-Ticket Club mentioned in the opening paragraph. Working there, feet from platters of all-you-can-eat snacks, providing service with a smile while unable to afford to feed yourself, is like something out of a really disturbing episode of the Twilight Zone.
posted by potrzebie at 11:40 PM on September 26, 2018 [12 favorites]

Also Disney's big brand is that optimistic, everything-will-work-out-in-the-end brand of cheer. Princess and the Frog features a lead character who literally works as a waitress as a way to save up enough money to start her own business. The waitresses at their parks can't even make rent.
posted by Jilder at 5:27 AM on September 27, 2018 [6 favorites]

It strikes me as weird to focus on Disney. Isn’t this just the story of ALL service jobs in the US? Wages suck and don’t keep pace with rising prices and rents.How is this a Disney thing?

If Disney led by example, would anyone follow? Nice thought experiment, but completely fruitless. Disney is publicly traded, and their activist shareholders wouldn't let them lead anything that didn't directly contribute to "growth".
posted by DigDoug at 6:29 AM on September 27, 2018

If Disney led by example, would anyone follow?

In Orlando, absolutely. Disney is the biggest employer in the area with over 70,000 employees and 25,000 hotel rooms. Despite the grumbling of locals, Orlando would not be as big and financially stable as it is without Disney. That being said, downturns in tourism do impact the area pretty hard.

The job market is so fluid and so underpaid in the generally unskilled service industry that $15/hr will poach a lot of people from other theme parks and hotels. Universal hasn't announced that they will match the $15/hr rate, but I expect them to do so soon. When Disney announced raising their minimum wage to $10/hr a few years ago Universal quickly matched it, and even rolled out their raises on a shorter schedule. Primarily to prevent a staffing drain, and possibly lure some Disney cast members over.

dr_dank:
I would assess that as a decent description, although most of the pixie dust people generally turn into the other types as their tenure wears on. My wife is totally using her job as a stepping stone to something bigger. The theme park industry is one of the few that really does promote from within for most positions (sorry Disney IT). A lot of the executives started out in those front-line positions decades ago.

I am definitely a refugee. I took the job when I was unemployed to boost my income since unemployment in Florida is not a lot. I eventually did find a job in my field, but kept the theme park job as something fun to do on weekends and get paid for it. I have been there over 5 years, and the only people still in my department from when I started are regular working stiffs like me, retirees, and employees that have worked their way up. The full time people either burn out or transfer departments on a regular basis.
posted by Badgermann at 8:00 AM on September 27, 2018 [3 favorites]

Backing up Badgerman, $15/hr is high for service work where I live in Napa. If I lived alone, I would not be making rent anywhere.
posted by es_de_bah at 12:49 PM on September 27, 2018

> Major Matt Mason Dixon:
"I would LOVE to see one of these reports out on Amazon warehouse employees. HOO BOY. "
Read Nomadland by Jessica Bruder.
posted by theora55 at 8:41 AM on September 30, 2018

In Orlando, a not-insignificant number of CM's are there on the College Program. Not making any money for their labor doesn't stand out as much to a lot of them, because it's got the feeling of an internship or a semester abroad, where they're still paying tuition and getting some college credit while living with other CP's un Disney-owned apartments.
posted by The Underpants Monster at 9:51 AM on October 1, 2018