We're in the endgame of the Endgame!
March 14, 2019 6:30 AM   Subscribe

Another Avengers: Endgame trailer has dropped, featuring MoHawkeye, but probably not Kate Bishop, although everyone has snazzy new suits, along with a new poster, where no one can you look in the eye about all the feels that are going to happen!
posted by Brandon Blatcher (160 comments total) 8 users marked this as a favorite
 
Marvel is really good at timing. Waiting exactly one week after Captain Marvel to drop this, so as to not steal any attention from that movie's premier but close enough to ride on its excitement.
posted by octothorpe at 6:33 AM on March 14 [6 favorites]


That can be Kate Bishop in my heart.

(at least until I see the movie and it stops being Schrodinger's Kate)
posted by dinty_moore at 6:35 AM on March 14 [5 favorites]


So there's "a small chance" and "we owe it to everybody who's not in this room to try" and the logo is "assembled" out of the playground grit that the 50% dissolved into....
posted by chavenet at 6:36 AM on March 14 [2 favorites]


Also Peggy voiceovers are not fair, dammit.
posted by dinty_moore at 6:37 AM on March 14 [9 favorites]


LOL @ #MoHawkeye. I mean Hawkeye is not only a good farmer/dad he's also keeping up his subscription to the British edition of GQ.
posted by Fizz at 6:49 AM on March 14 [3 favorites]


Thanos snapped away half of Hawkeye's hair.
posted by Servo5678 at 6:51 AM on March 14 [30 favorites]


Avengers: Endgame. Does this mean this is the very last movie and they're gonna stop making MCU movies for, oh, 20 years? I'd be OK with that. Keep making comic book movies, but do more creative one-off stuff like Into the Spiderverse. Or Black Panther, it didn't really need to be tied into some elaborate multi-movie marketing machine to be great.
posted by Nelson at 6:52 AM on March 14 [3 favorites]


I think the "new poster" link is supposed to go here?
posted by EndsOfInvention at 6:54 AM on March 14


Nelson: the short answer is no.
posted by brainwane at 6:59 AM on March 14 [5 favorites]


it didn't really need to be tied into some elaborate multi-movie marketing machine to be great.

CORPORATE EXECUTIVES AND PRODUCERS: hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

*wipes tears from eyes*
posted by Fizz at 7:00 AM on March 14 [9 favorites]


I had a fascinating dinner conversation with a producer a couple years ago - he was scouting for new SFF properties to turn into multimedia franchises. He said that was where all the money was, because you could cover all the bases - movies, TV, merchandise, comics, video games. So... yeah, that's where everything is headed right now.
posted by restless_nomad at 7:02 AM on March 14 [4 favorites]


Doesn't Hawkeye have kids? Seems much more likely that's his daughter, not his Kate Bishop.
posted by Frayed Knot at 7:03 AM on March 14


Nelson: "Avengers: Endgame. Does this mean this is the very last movie and they're gonna stop making MCU movies for, oh, 20 years? I'd be OK with that. Keep making comic book movies, but do more creative one-off stuff like Into the Spiderverse. Or Black Panther, it didn't really need to be tied into some elaborate multi-movie marketing machine to be great."

Black Panther cost $200M to make. Something like that doesn't happen without a huge marketing machine behind it.
posted by octothorpe at 7:04 AM on March 14 [8 favorites]


Is Rocket's new pal at 1:30 Tony or Rhodey?
posted by 1970s Antihero at 7:06 AM on March 14


Most commentators seem to think Rhodey.

Which brings up an interesting concern, given the Rhodey wears prosthetic aides....
posted by bonehead at 7:13 AM on March 14 [16 favorites]


I've enjoyed the snot out of this series of Disney movies where everybody beats everybody else up and things explode with lots of little realistic bits, plus jokes. It's truly the golden age of popcorn cinema and VFX indentured slavery.

That being said, I kinda think "Endgame" is my exit point.

I've had more than 20 rides on the rollercoaster and maybe I'll get off before I feel ill. After eleven years the amount of money I've put into Disney's coffers with my family of four and fun movie nights is astronomical. Plus, like a quivering, unblinking addict, I have home media versions of the whole spangled cavalcade, too, so my damn wiener kids can watch an MCU movie whenever they like. I did a quick calculation of total cost and it made my head spin.

For that reason and others, once Chris Evans is out I'm out, too. "Endgame" will be a bookend for my collection, I predict.

Thanks for the ride, Mr. Feige and friends. Have fun with your millions and millions of dollars. I'm going to go outside and play.
posted by Construction Concern at 7:14 AM on March 14 [13 favorites]


Does this mean this is the very last movie and they're gonna stop making MCU movies for, oh, 20 years?

I would be extraordinarily surprised if a Captain Marvel sequel isn't announced in the next few months (unless it has been already; I'm a backside of the loop moviegoer).
posted by bonehead at 7:15 AM on March 14 [1 favorite]


Does this mean this is the very last movie and they're gonna stop making MCU movies for, oh, 20 years?

Just a reminder that the Ultimate Fighting Championship is up to #235.
posted by JoeZydeco at 7:17 AM on March 14 [5 favorites]


> Does this mean this is the very last movie and they're gonna stop making MCU movies for, oh, 20 years?

Disney is finalising the purchase of Fox so there's your next twenty-year meta-narrative. Avengers + X-Men.
posted by humuhumu at 7:18 AM on March 14 [2 favorites]


So having seen Ragnarok but not Infinity Wars yet - how the heck does Thor have his eye back? Or is the answer too spoiler-ey?

(We didn’t watch Infinity Wars yet because it took too damn long for Spider Man to be available in a streaming format we could access without paying a ridiculous amount, plus my wife got tired of superhero movies way before my kid and I did. Only reason I watched Ragnarok was because I was away from home by myself, and the hotel room had Netflix.)
posted by caution live frogs at 7:19 AM on March 14


I would be extraordinarily surprised if a Captain Marvel sequel isn't announced in the next few months (unless it has been already; I'm a backside of the loop moviegoer).

And I think it could be awesome.
posted by thivaia at 7:20 AM on March 14 [3 favorites]


I'm really hoping that means N.E.X.T.W.A.V.E. at some point.

My robot brain needs beer.
posted by bonehead at 7:22 AM on March 14 [16 favorites]


Avengers: Endgame. Does this mean this is the very last movie and they're gonna stop making MCU movies for, oh, 20 years?

I can answer, but you probably want to sit down first.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 7:24 AM on March 14 [1 favorite]


how the heck does Thor have his eye back?

Non-spoiler: He makes friends with somebody whose personal hobby is collecting prosthetic body parts.
posted by Strange Interlude at 7:25 AM on March 14 [39 favorites]


I realize that in the end it all comes down to $$$ for the corporate overlords, but honestly I kind of love what Marvel/Disney has done with the MCU. If I can make it through 5-6+ seasons of a TV show I love in the same # of years, I can certainly handle and appreciate the equivalent hours of big budget movie spectacle over an equivalent time frame. the fact that they aren't all just direct sequels but allow for "one-offs" (ish) like Black Panther or Thor Ragnarok is a plus. And sure, some TV shows fizzle out and get by-the-numbers in later seasons, and I may stop watching or only check in periodically... if that happens with the movies, so be it. But as of now they still hold my interest and arguably are putting out some of their best work (again, Black Panther). We'll see what happens when the big stars leave and the next generation of MCU stars take over, but for now... tl;dr - shut up and take my money.
posted by Roommate at 7:29 AM on March 14 [20 favorites]


Where's Goose?
posted by MrGuilt at 7:31 AM on March 14 [12 favorites]


What I don't understand is why Black Widow is doing target practice with a handgun if they're going up against Thanos and the Infinity Gauntlet.
posted by JamesBay at 7:33 AM on March 14 [5 favorites]


The same reason we always see Cap punching a heavy bag.
posted by The Man from Lardfork at 7:38 AM on March 14 [25 favorites]



>how the heck does Thor have his eye back?

Non-spoiler: He makes friends with somebody whose personal hobby is collecting prosthetic body parts.


He also really probably should have washed it before putting it in. But then he's a god (or the fruit of a pirate-angel union) so maybe it doesn't matter.
posted by nubs at 7:39 AM on March 14 [2 favorites]


Am I the only one who was hoping Captain Marvel would snag Thor's axe out of the air? (maybe she'll wield it at some point)

Also....liking the new Avengers space(?) suits.
posted by kokaku at 7:43 AM on March 14 [1 favorite]


how the heck does Thor have his eye back?

A sweet rabbit gives it to him.
posted by octothorpe at 7:43 AM on March 14 [34 favorites]


Why is Danai Guirira's name NOT ON THE POSTER? You can clearly see her right there next to Brie Larson, but her name is not listed with all the others. Marvel needs to fix that and apologize immediately. WTF????
posted by pjsky at 7:47 AM on March 14 [1 favorite]


Why is Danai Guirira's name NOT ON THE POSTER?

Probably for contractual reasons, but I agree, still bullshit.
posted by Strange Interlude at 7:50 AM on March 14


It is on the poster, at the bottom.
posted by adrianhon at 7:50 AM on March 14


What I don't understand is why Black Widow is doing target practice with a handgun if they're going up against Thanos and the Infinity Gauntlet.

She doesn't have anyone around to do her head-scissors takedown thing on?
posted by nubs at 7:51 AM on March 14 [7 favorites]


since no one is mentioning the costuming decision and the narrative detail behind natasha's hair, i will (it's red roots growing out her infinity war blonde bob! and you can track the chronology by the length of red v blonde! so unnecessary yet so appreciated! and also meta-hilarious considering scarjo's preferred hair colour!)
posted by cendawanita at 7:51 AM on March 14 [10 favorites]


I noticed it changed multiple times during the trailer but I thought maybe she was just swapping out wigs as a coping mechanism.

Doesn't Hawkeye have kids? Seems much more likely that's his daughter, not his Kate Bishop.

I mean, you're right but a) my wish for Kate Bishop on screen has nothing to do with any sort of logic or likelihood that a marketing exec would agree with me and b) if we do ever get Kate Bishop in the MCU, it might end up just being Hawkeye's kid.
posted by dinty_moore at 7:55 AM on March 14


Ok, yes Danai Guirira's name IS listed on the bottom of the poster, like everyone else. I still assert it should be at the top along with everyone else pictured.
posted by pjsky at 7:56 AM on March 14 [2 favorites]


I might have audibly ooohed at the new suits.
posted by romakimmy at 7:58 AM on March 14


What I don't understand is why Black Widow is doing target practice with a handgun if they're going up against Thanos and the Infinity Gauntlet.

1. Working out her feelings
2. It's what she does
3. Staying in top form for the big fight is a must.
4. Willing to bet that fighting beating Thanos isn't the only issue here.

I still assert it should be at the top along with everyone else pictured.
She's nowhere near the biggest star in flick, so it's not surprising her name isn't up t here.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 7:59 AM on March 14 [3 favorites]


the fact that they aren't all just direct sequels but allow for "one-offs" (ish) like Black Panther or Thor Ragnarok is a plus

Yeah, this is what kept me in after I got bored of the "Avengers" meta-narratives. (Infinity War/Endgame included.) I really appreciated that I could show up for Black Panther having skipped both Age of Ultron and Civil War and not really have missed anything.
posted by tobascodagama at 8:04 AM on March 14 [3 favorites]


My favourite part of the trailer was when Ant Man / Scott Lang looked at the overgrown ruins of his house where his daughter once lived.
posted by JamesBay at 8:05 AM on March 14 [5 favorites]


I might have audibly ooohed at the new suits.

Edna Mode clearly survived the snap.
posted by Tell Me No Lies at 8:11 AM on March 14 [18 favorites]


I might have audibly ooohed at the new suits.

Them there are quantum realm time travelin' suits, I reckon.
posted by schoolgirl report at 8:16 AM on March 14 [12 favorites]


Doesn't Hawkeye have kids?

Considering he's back in the fight and has a very intense haircut, I'd check in the fridge.
posted by Reyturner at 8:16 AM on March 14 [26 favorites]


It's easy to be cynical about the dollar signs, and I've heard about a dozen people in the last year proclaim themselves to be suffering from superhero fatigue, but...not me! I love the hell out of these Marvel movies. They are, in my opinion, the most ambitious, fun and successful blockbuster popcorn flicks of all time. They're not even a guilty pleasure - I love them unabashedly.

Not that they were all perfect, but if anything, they have been getting better over time (*). Winter Soldier was a turning point where the quality reached a new level. The secret sauce to the Marvel movies is that they usually take themselves exactly seriously enough to appreciate the drama while blatantly winking at the audience the whole way through. Humor and pathos are what separates the Marvel franchise from, say, the Transformers movies or any other terrible SFX/CGI showcase. It was the Soul Gem all along!

It looks like DC is finally getting it right with the upcoming Shazam!. I'm really looking forward to that one, too...it looks like a ton of fun.

(*) Although the Marvel movies have generally improved over the run, the first Iron Man remains one of the best of the franchise. Without it, I don't see how it would have happened. Marvel owes Jon Favreau so much more than a role as Happy Hogan, but maybe that's all he wants for now.
posted by Edgewise at 8:16 AM on March 14 [31 favorites]


BRB, buying out a theater of opening-night tickets so I can sit alone in the dark to cry. I know that Tony Stark and Steve Rogers are gonna die and it huuurts.

On the other hand, this is great.
HAWKEYE: Whatever it takes
[readies arrows from quiver]
BLACK WIDOW: Whatever it takes
[fires off round after round of ammunition]
ANT-MAN: Whatever it takes.
[lifts pencil]
posted by nicebookrack at 8:16 AM on March 14 [13 favorites]


The suits reminded me of Ghost's suit from the 2nd Ant Man movie...
posted by suelac at 8:17 AM on March 14 [1 favorite]


Leaving off Danai Guirira's name does seem like a screw-up. By my count the Infinity War poster had 19 names and 25 characters pictured, and they included Danai Guirira's name on that one. The Endgame poster has 12 names and 13 characters pictured, so she's the only name left off despite the more manageable ratio. It's possible there's some rando Hollywood rule about who gets billing on posters, but on its face this seems somewhere between a screw-up and a slight.
posted by jedicus at 8:17 AM on March 14


Them there are quantum realm time travelin' suits, I reckon.

Looking forward to them freeing Jon Hamm's Mr. Fantastic from the prison he and his family have been stuck in since the 60s.
posted by robocop is bleeding at 8:23 AM on March 14 [18 favorites]


Pumped to see Patrick Warburton as a live-action Brock Sampson!

what?
posted by GuyZero at 8:28 AM on March 14 [3 favorites]


I have a question about Clint's very new hair, I mean, the impression we're getting here is that he's Sad and Angry about Unspecified Things What Happened to His Family? At what point in his angry murder spree did he sit down at a high end barber shop and go "okay, I want new hair to match my new angry attitude."

I mean

I get the theme and symbolism of new hair new attitude but everyone else is like "sad, not gonna shave" "sad gonna let my blonde grow back out" "sad gonna wear hoodies and mope with a space raccoon" and Clint is like "Sad, so gonna get a snazzy angryboi haircut"
posted by FritoKAL at 8:32 AM on March 14 [9 favorites]


I'm in with the MCU for the long haul, money-hungry blockbuster juggernaut or not, even as I'll keep pushing them to do better with their power in terms of diversity. The MCU has become self-sustaining! They can start doing weird cosmic storylines and take """risks""" like finally creating women/POC-led films, both in front of and behind the camera.

I'm so sad to see my original Avenger faves die in front of me (Tonyyyyyy), but I'm still so hyped for forthcoming MCU possibilities. Black Panther 2, probably Captain Marvel 2, Kamala Khan as Ms. Marvel, finally a Black Widow movie The Eternals with director Chloe Zhao, the Shang-Chi film just hired director Destin Daniel Cretton: there's a lot to be excited about, and these are just the projects announced officially.
posted by nicebookrack at 8:33 AM on March 14 [11 favorites]


It's gotta be Rhodey in the suit with Rocket. I don't think they've released any footage of Tony that indicates he gets rescued from the Guardian's ship. Even that shot of Nebula looks like it was from Titan.
posted by cmfletcher at 8:33 AM on March 14 [1 favorite]


Obviously Clint gets his snazzy new haircut for the same pragmatic reasons that Spider-Gwen got hers. Dammit, spider-people.
posted by nicebookrack at 8:35 AM on March 14 [2 favorites]


It's possible there's some rando Hollywood rule about who gets billing on posters

Billing is meticulously negotiated by the actor's agent as part of the overall contract, and there are, in addition, union rules about billing. My guess is that the billing indicates very little screentime for Guirira, despite how prominent her picture is on the poster.
posted by anastasiav at 8:35 AM on March 14 [3 favorites]


Clint is like "Sad, so gonna get a snazzy angryboi haircut"

Given that he lived off the grid, his wife probably did his haircuts, so we now know she was right in the middle of a buzz cut when she got Snapped.
posted by robocop is bleeding at 8:35 AM on March 14 [11 favorites]


Upon watching a second time I just realized that Tony and Nebula are in the new suit squad. Oops.
posted by cmfletcher at 8:39 AM on March 14 [7 favorites]


It's gotta be Rhodey in the suit with Rocket. I don't think they've released any footage of Tony that indicates he get rescued from the Guardian'

It’s War Machine with Rocket. Both Nebula and Tony can be seen in the group spacesuit walk.

Edit: d’oh
posted by Guy Smiley at 8:41 AM on March 14 [2 favorites]


MCU question: how can Josh Brolin be Thanos and also the guy from Deadpool 2? Does this bother anyone else?
posted by CheeseLouise at 8:42 AM on March 14 [3 favorites]


The guy from Deadpool, Cable, is actually Thanos's secret twin brother, Starfox.
posted by nicebookrack at 8:45 AM on March 14 [9 favorites]


Deadpool is not part of the MCU, so it's a non-issue.
posted by FritoKAL at 8:53 AM on March 14 [1 favorite]


What I don't understand is why Black Widow is doing target practice with a handgun if they're going up against Thanos and the Infinity Gauntlet.

I'm going way out of a limb here, but... remember how the Guardians got the power stone from Ronan the Accuser? Drax shot Ronan's Mjolnir knock-off with a cannon. And at the end of Infinity War, the Gauntlet is still visibly damaged. Just a theory.

Also, I wonder if the Power Walk TVTropes with Nebula means that she's an Avenger now.
posted by Halloween Jack at 8:54 AM on March 14 [2 favorites]


Clint is like "Sad, so gonna get a snazzy angryboi haircut"

Going to the hair salon is way cheaper than therapy.
posted by ODiV at 8:54 AM on March 14 [1 favorite]


The answer to any inconsistency in the MU is always* Skrulls. Someone did something that doesn't make sense? Skrulls.

*Ok sometimes it's Wanda, and sometimes it's clones, but mostly it's Skrulls.

Cable=Skrull. QED.
posted by bonehead at 8:54 AM on March 14 [1 favorite]


Going to the hair salon is way cheaper than therapy.

That's what I've been telling myself for twenty years. But honestly, it depends on the salon.
posted by thivaia at 8:59 AM on March 14 [11 favorites]


A sweet noble rabbit gives it to him.
posted by ricochet biscuit at 9:02 AM on March 14 [2 favorites]


CheeseLouise: "MCU question: how can Josh Brolin be Thanos and also the guy from Deadpool 2? Does this bother anyone else?"

Probably the same way that Chris Evans can be both Captain America and The Human Torch?
And how Michael B. Jordan can be both Killmonger and The Human Torch?

Wait, does that mean Killmonger and Captain America are the same person?
posted by namewithoutwords at 9:04 AM on March 14 [17 favorites]


MCU question: how can Josh Brolin be Thanos and also the guy from Deadpool 2? Does this bother anyone else?

I’d be more concerned about how Mariah Dillard pretended to be a random State Department employee who had lost her son, thus precipitating Civil War and the schism of the Avengers. And you thought she was only aiming to control Harlem! You have no idea how high up her plans went.
posted by ricochet biscuit at 9:06 AM on March 14 [19 favorites]


Does RDJ leaving the MCU mean Riri Williams will replace him?
posted by pxe2000 at 9:06 AM on March 14 [5 favorites]


Wow. I missed Tony and Nebula in the power walk. I’m really surprised they spoiled that. They had us going for months that maybe Tony doesn’t get back with the team. I mean, I was figuring he’d get back at a crucial moment, all deus-ex-machina-like. But it seemed like they really wanted to play up the Tony alone thing.
posted by greermahoney at 9:07 AM on March 14


In the regular timeline, we would all have already been so fatigued on these Marvel movies we'd be getting a dearth of different stuff by now, and we'd be entering a quiet stretch where Marvel waits a decade or two before popping out with a bunch of new movies after people have had enough time to want em. This is, of course, not that timeline. This is the one where national enemies become president, where there's a Star Wars every year, where the internet is no longer free, and where a comic book superhero movie (from one of two designated overexposed publishers) has to come out every months, under penalty of law.

The odd thing about this comic movie in particular to me is that I don't want it to happen. Thanos killing off so many properties could theoretically mean there won't be additional movies for each of those characters. Realistically, they could leave them dead in the MCU and still find a way to make 6 movies about them, but I'm free to dream!
posted by GoblinHoney at 9:07 AM on March 14 [2 favorites]


Wow. I missed Tony and Nebula in the power walk. I’m really surprised they spoiled that.

They way they spoiled Hulk being present for the Battle of Wakanda? Marvel has enough resources to fake viewers out in the trailers.
posted by ricochet biscuit at 9:22 AM on March 14 [10 favorites]


MCU question: how can Josh Brolin be Thanos and also the guy from Deadpool 2? Does this bother anyone else?

Deadpool straight-up refers to Cable as "Thanos" at least once. For DP, such things are merely an opportunity to break the fourth wall another time.

I'm sure Brolin's only bothered by having to get a bigger wheelbarrow for his Marvel cash.
posted by Edgewise at 9:26 AM on March 14 [17 favorites]


Billing is meticulously negotiated by the actor's agent as part of the overall contract

None of actors who's charaters were snapped are listed on the poster. Not even Tom Holland or Samuel L Jackson who are in the next Spiderman that is supposed to take place after Endgame. I wonder if the soulstone squad had to agree to be absent from billing for at least the first round of promotions.
posted by cmfletcher at 9:27 AM on March 14 [1 favorite]


Deadpool straight-up refers to Cable as "Thanos" at least once. For DP, such things are merely an opportunity to break the fourth wall another time.

The only reason I want the Fox and Disney movies to cross over is for a scene where Deadpool and Loki break the forth wall together.
posted by Reyturner at 9:32 AM on March 14


I wonder if the soulstone squad had to agree to be absent from billing for at least the first round of promotions.

We're all supposed to pretend everyone who got snaptured is Not Coming Back, so yeah, all those actors are exempted from promo. Plus, IIRC, Feige has said that nothing you see in promo is going to reveal anything past the first 20 minutes or so. When it comes to the Snaptured actors, I figure it's fair and likely negotiated in advance: they all did a TON of promo for Infinity War, despite being aware that they were all in the movie for like, five minutes tops before they got unceremoniously dusted. So this time around, they get to sit it out because Spoilers and the others are picking up the slack.
posted by yasaman at 9:42 AM on March 14


As for my feelings on Endgame: I'm girding myself for the prospect of Steve Rogers dying in any number of infuriating to me personally ways. I would really, really prefer he not die, because it's all just TOO SAD: he and Bucky just keep getting reunited and torn apart! I can't handle it! Steve should get to come home from the war! Killing him off is not satisfying closure, it's just miserable!

Alas, Marvel is unlikely to be interested in my pitch of "let Steve Rogers and Bucky Barnes come home from the war, and fall in love, with each other," or even in the alternative, "let Steve Rogers and Bucky Barnes and Sam Wilson come home from the war, have Steve retire, and then buddy-Cap shenanigans ensue with Sam and Bucky in the rumored Winter Soldier and Falcon show."

All this is to say: Marvel's got me for the foreseeable future, even if about 60% of my investment in the movies is more related to how well they do or don't work as the raw material for fandom to make significantly more interesting to me content out of.
posted by yasaman at 9:49 AM on March 14 [11 favorites]


The only reason I want the Fox and Disney movies to cross over is for a scene where Deadpool and Loki break the forth wall together.

And talk about Taylor Swift.
posted by thivaia at 9:51 AM on March 14 [9 favorites]


Meh. I was spoiled on Infinity War and thought, "gods that's stupid." I find the drama built from that premise to be more mawkish than tragic, and the Endgame marketing has the same kind of bathos as the Keane-knockoff sad puppy photoshop that graces the restroom at the local Pancake House. I like MCU movies overall, because most of them recognize they're farces and romps, and not movies that have something to say about sacrifice, the military industrial state, malthusian environmentalism, or whatever Civil War was supposed to be about before Cap and Tony decided to pick a fight over a quinjet while big bad flew economy.

Maybe Endgame will be the end to otherwise reasonable web sites running three articles a week about Endgame because twitter and facebook have a theory.
posted by GenderNullPointerException at 9:52 AM on March 14 [3 favorites]


I might have audibly ooohed at the new suits.

Edna Mode clearly survived the snap.


NO CAPES!
posted by romakimmy at 9:55 AM on March 14


Alas, Marvel is unlikely to be interested in my pitch of "let Steve Rogers and Bucky Barnes come home from the war, and fall in love, with each other,"...

I do wonder if Peggy Carter's voice over (who was criminally absent from Captain Marvel or most MCU films) is hint about...something.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 9:56 AM on March 14 [6 favorites]


One of the problems with the MCU are the slog films. They're kinda necessary, but sometimes the intermediate films are kind of a drag. Avengers 2 was another one.

Infinity War was a slog film. Endgame, hopefully, is the payoff for eating our Infinity lima beans first. They have a decent track record doing this, but there are no guarantees.
posted by bonehead at 9:58 AM on March 14 [2 favorites]


Something about the way Thor says "I like this one" is reminding me of wabbitwax's quip in the Captain Marvel thread about how she should be telling Steve Rogers, "Look at me. I'm the Captain now."

I would like this to be the last trailer I watch for Endgame - I don't really want any more spoilers about that last surprise Tony is trying to pull off. But I'm not sure if I can avoid these threads. Sigh.
posted by RedOrGreen at 10:16 AM on March 14 [1 favorite]


forthcoming MCU possibilities

They didn't mention Blade. Apparently Marvel had serious talks with Wesley Snipes about returning to the role. It's been fifteen years since Blade Trinity, of course, but they can just use the post production effects from Captain Marvel to keep the Daywalker looking ageless.

(The implications of that tech are huge; no wonder Marvel has been field-testing it since Civil War. They could let Chris Evans take a ten year break, then bring back Captain America looking not a day older. Comic-book time in live action.)
posted by Iridic at 10:24 AM on March 14 [2 favorites]


Or just have an old, bad ass Blade?

I don't know why they'd have to overcomplicate things.

(some motherfuckers are always trying to ice skate uphill)
posted by ODiV at 10:30 AM on March 14 [14 favorites]


Or just have an old, bad ass Blade?

Some of the dialog pretty much writes itself, too.

ANYONE: Where've you been, man?
BLADE: (uncomfortable) Tax evasion. Some other stuff. Long story. Not relevant.
posted by Drastic at 10:35 AM on March 14 [17 favorites]


and Clint is like "Sad, so gonna get a snazzy angryboi haircut


Checks out with Matt Fraction era Hawkeye. "OK. This looks bad."
posted by Made of Star Stuff at 10:37 AM on March 14 [3 favorites]


(I'm not advocating for the MCU to become a changeless Baudrillardian nightmare, btw. I just think it's dangerously liable to happen, because Disney.)
posted by Iridic at 10:40 AM on March 14 [1 favorite]


Does Rocket get that arm?
posted by BeeDo at 10:43 AM on March 14


Or just have an old, bad ass Blade?

As long as we get Naughty Vampire Gods, I’m on board.
posted by GenjiandProust at 10:48 AM on March 14 [1 favorite]


Disney might want younger cheaper actors though. Once Chris Evans is out of his contract, he's going to be really expensive to get back.
posted by octothorpe at 10:53 AM on March 14 [1 favorite]


It needs more pensive Paul Rudd. But I think everything needs more Paul Rudd, so...
posted by Ruki at 11:00 AM on March 14 [2 favorites]


Yeah but hear me out: Blade and Spitfire from Captain Britain and MI13. If Blade gets a sidekick/partner/ladyfriend, it should be a super-speedy smart talkin' British aristocrat who's secretly a vampire too.

Also, bring back Faiza Hussein!

In fact, the Secret Invasion arc of CB: MI13 would be a more-than-decent stand-alone movie, now that Skrulls are part of the MCU. Skrulls invading Avalon! Merlin being a dick! Pete Wisdom and his punk faery ex-girlfriend being sarcastic bastards! And Faiza Hussein as an NHS nurse who gets superpowers and ends up wielding Excalibur! Tell me that's not awesome.
posted by Pallas Athena at 11:06 AM on March 14 [1 favorite]


Disney might want younger cheaper actors though. Once Chris Evans is out of his contract, he's going to be really expensive to get back.

No need to hire Chris Evans again when you can just superimpose his face into another actor's for a cameo.
posted by Memo at 11:09 AM on March 14 [1 favorite]


No need to hire Chris Evans again when you can just superimpose his face into another actor's for a cameo.

If Chris Evan's agent has allowed him to sign any contract giving them the right to do that, somebody needs to hold a mental competency hearing.
posted by Ipsifendus at 11:29 AM on March 14 [6 favorites]


No need to hire Chris Evans again when you can just superimpose his face into another actor's for a cameo.

Doing that still means they gotta pay him — Crispin Glover made sure of that.
posted by Big Al 8000 at 11:31 AM on March 14 [5 favorites]


Ok. So Nebula is on Earth at some point. Captain Marvel is on Earth. I would expect, since Nebula used to pal around with Ronan, that these two might have some history, which is just a delicious prospect, frankly.
posted by wabbittwax at 11:38 AM on March 14


Yeah but hear me out: Blade and Spitfire from Captain Britain and MI13. If Blade gets a sidekick/partner/ladyfriend, it should be a super-speedy smart talkin' British aristocrat who's secretly a vampire too.

OK, dig my crazy headcanon: Steve survives, although he's retired from Avengering and is just going around seeing the world. He's in England, and passes a blonde woman on the street. He walks another step and a half, does a double take, rushes back to the woman, touches her on the arm, and goes, "Private Lorraine?" She turns around, says, "I'm sorry, I don't--Steve?" in a British accent. She turns out to be Jacqueline Falsworth, assigned as liaison with the Strategic Scientific Reserve for MI6 under deep cover (after Peggy caught her and Steve smooching, they Had Words).
posted by Halloween Jack at 11:42 AM on March 14 [2 favorites]


The answer to any inconsistency in the MU is always* Skrulls. Someone did something that doesn't make sense? Skrulls.
now that Skrulls are part of the MCU. Skrulls invading Avalon!

I wrote a long comment that was basically just spoilers for Captain Marvel, and then I wrote another long comment that was basically just "come talk in the FanFare thread for Captain Marvel," and now I've given up and am writing a MeFi post on my phone that is basically just Skrull Spoilers: The FPP. So I'm having a productive Thursday afternoon, at least.
posted by nicebookrack at 11:48 AM on March 14 [11 favorites]


the way Thor says "I like this one"

It's weird because as far as I can tell Thor likes pretty much everybody. I know he's capable of anger but I'm not sure he's able to retain spite.

why Black Widow is doing target practice with a handgun

In Comic Book Logic, guns do not shoot bullets. The shoot the force of personality of the person firing them. Random SHIELD agents can't shoot sci-fi space aliens with their contemporary firearms because they are nameless jabronis. Black Widow can because she is bad ass. Any further reason given is just window dressing.
posted by Phobos the Space Potato at 12:17 PM on March 14 [31 favorites]


I get the theme and symbolism of new hair new attitude but everyone else is like "sad, not gonna shave" "sad gonna let my blonde grow back out" "sad gonna wear hoodies and mope with a space raccoon" and Clint is like "Sad, so gonna get a snazzy angryboi haircut"

Thor's short hair, Widow's dye job, Steve's beard, and Hawkeye's edge-cut are probably all shorthand devices for telling the viewer "This is the current-day Avengers" vs. "This is a flashback" or "We're in the past now."

Which implies they're gonna do some fancy storytelling with minimal hand-holding and I am very happy about that. I still love how they let Thanos do all kinds of crazy stuff with no more narrative explanation than a color flash from one of the gems to say "Thanos uses the space gem to immobilize Black Widow" or "Thanos uses the power gem to grab a moon and throw it at Iron Man."
posted by straight at 12:17 PM on March 14 [7 favorites]


I think the only way to keep this thing fresh is to make sure everybody who was in the first Avengers movie is dead/exiled to another dimension/retired to Belize at the end of Endgame. That's the only outcome I'll find satisfying.
posted by orrnyereg at 12:21 PM on March 14


It's weird because as far as I can tell Thor likes pretty much everybody.

Yeah, he likes all mortals, but he also likes to be condescending and pat each of them on the head saying, "Yes, you're adorable. Who's a good boy? And I like this one. And oh you're naughty, isn't that sweet."
posted by straight at 12:22 PM on March 14 [6 favorites]


Which implies they're gonna do some fancy storytelling with minimal hand-holding

To repeat what my wife said: This is shaping up to be the biggest two-part Dr Who season finale ever.
posted by Grangousier at 12:23 PM on March 14 [12 favorites]


Recognizing that there will be MCU movies long after I die, my only hope is that gen 2 and beyond feature not only more and better diversity (Asian characters who don't do martial arts! queer representation!), but also just more interesting movies.

Give me things like Logan, Chronicle, Blade Runner, and Unbreakable. If Marvel movies are going to print money anyway, let's see some actual risks.
posted by Ouverture at 12:50 PM on March 14 [2 favorites]


In Comic Book Logic, guns do not shoot bullets. The shoot the force of personality of the person firing them.

Or sometimes it's chi, in the case of Orson Randall.
posted by tobascodagama at 12:50 PM on March 14 [1 favorite]


Thor behaves much as most people would on the Planet of Golden Retrievers. He thinks they're all Good Dogs, except for the ones that are a bit bitey and maybe need some nap time.
posted by bonehead at 12:52 PM on March 14 [33 favorites]


bonehead, this explanation explains so much. Oh my god, Loki is a cat person on Golden Retriever Planet
posted by nicebookrack at 1:29 PM on March 14 [34 favorites]


That would account for Cat Thor.
posted by ckape at 1:42 PM on March 14 [3 favorites]


pjsky: "Why is Danai Guirira's name NOT ON THE POSTER? You can clearly see her right there next to Brie Larson, but her name is not listed with all the others. Marvel needs to fix that and apologize immediately. WTF????"

Marvel Studios:
She should have been up there all this time. Check out the official Marvel Studios' #AvengersEndgame poster. @DanaiGurira #WakandaForever
posted by octothorpe at 1:55 PM on March 14 [8 favorites]


Well holy crap. They changed the poster. That’s amazing....
posted by anastasiav at 2:15 PM on March 14


Skrull Spoilers: The MeFi Post, emoji courtesy of my phone (contains MAJOR SPOILERS for Captain Marvel)
posted by nicebookrack at 2:20 PM on March 14 [2 favorites]


Vindication feels soooooo delicious. I'm sure Danai feels the same. ;)
Thank you Marvel, you did the right thing!
posted by pjsky at 2:22 PM on March 14 [2 favorites]


Does this mean this is the very last movie and they're gonna stop making MCU movies for, oh, 20 years?

Look, the only thing I want from the MCU is a Doreen Green (Squirrel Girl) movie and a Kamala Khan (Ms. Marvel) movie.
posted by Pendragon at 2:45 PM on March 14 [3 favorites]


It's weird because as far as I can tell Thor likes pretty much everybody.

Being that way is Thor's personal growth arc. In earlier solo movies and Avenger movies has shown a propensity for profound insecurity and treating people like servants.

Demi-gods royalty are just like that.
posted by MiltonRandKalman at 3:25 PM on March 14 [2 favorites]


Thor mellowed out after rooming with Darryl for a while.
posted by plastic_animals at 3:46 PM on March 14 [3 favorites]


I am still holding out hope that they have been faking us out with EVERYTHING.
Avengers 4 opens with Darcy Lewis and Dr. Jane Foster in a diner, after Jane has been up 47 straight hours with a magneto-whatsihoosit.
Dr. Betty Ross comes in, smacks Jane awake, tells Darcy to get Jane prepped to meet Financing for a project to clean up a lot of messes left lying around.
The next day, Ross, Lewis, and Foster are in a limo, to meet the money source. It is of course, Virginia Potts.
Dr. Foster has been really close to portal tech, but can't send anything through more dense or bigger than a crumpled paper ball.
Potts calls in a science advisor - Princess Shuri.
Many portal hijinks later - including alternate histories - and we snap to just before the Snappening.
Thanos is gloating with Stormbreaker in his chest, but as he lifts his hand up, a portal forms behind him. Out of the portal jumps Lady freaking Sif, who slices off the gauntlet hand and kicks it to the other Avengers.
Portal technology is used to rescue Tony and Nebula - a short female Iron Armor suit appears on the ship. Tony assumes it's Potts.
The faceplate pops up, and Lindsay Lohan smiles out : "Antoinette Stark, Earth (whichever number has the Rule 63
version of the lineup), Need a lift home?"
Title card: Avengers 4: A-Force.

(I have wanted this since before Infinity War premiered...)

Bonus points if we get Bruce Banner giving a blood transfusion to his cousin Jennifer Walters.
Bonus bonus points if Dr. Foster winds up with Mjolnir through time shenanigans.
posted by Mutant Lobsters from Riverhead at 3:51 PM on March 14 [9 favorites]


I gotta say all four Avengers movies (Civil War totally counts) have given me plenty of what I really wanted which was a movie overstuffed with big stars having a good time playing characters I like alternately butting heads, meeting cute, kicking names, and taking butts. Let Thor have a coherent narrative arc in his own movies; in the Avengers I just wanna see him get worshiped by Drax as a pirate angel, have a little cry with his racoon buddy, and then smite a thousand aliens with a hammer made from Groot's forearm before we cut back to Stark, Strange, and Star Lord trying to outsnark each other while Thanos drops a planet on their heads or Okoye, Wanda, and Natasha watching each others backs trying to buy Shuri time to Science Save the day.

I'm astonished at how many good movies Marvel Studios has been able to put out and how well they fit together. I wish Marvel could publish comic books as consistently good as these movies. (You might point out that few of their comic books have a $100 million budget. I might respond by pointing out how few $100 million movies bother to spend any of their money on good writing and characters anyone cares about.)
posted by straight at 4:07 PM on March 14 [11 favorites]


Thor behaves much as most people would on the Planet of Golden Retrievers. He thinks they're all Good Dogs, except for the ones that are a bit bitey and maybe need some nap time.

Which probably explains why he and Jane are no longer a couple.
posted by straight at 4:08 PM on March 14 [2 favorites]


> Them there are quantum realm time travelin' suits, I reckon.

When I hear the words "time travel" I reach for my wallet and put it back into my pocket.
posted by The Card Cheat at 4:10 PM on March 14


I still say they should stay true to the comics and have Squirrel Girl and Tippy-Toe defeat Thanos off-screen.
posted by plastic_animals at 6:09 PM on March 14 [5 favorites]


For that reason and others, once Chris Evans is out I'm out, too. "Endgame" will be a bookend for my collection, I predict.

I don't want to be here, but I'm afraid this is where I'll end up! I'm still generally interested in the wider MCU-verse, but I'm afraid that I've gotten overly attached to Steve Roger's story in particular. I have a feeling that this movie will break my heart.

As for my feelings on Endgame: I'm girding myself for the prospect of Steve Rogers dying in any number of infuriating to me personally ways. I would really, really prefer he not die, because it's all just TOO SAD: he and Bucky just keep getting reunited and torn apart! I can't handle it! Steve should get to come home from the war! Killing him off is not satisfying closure, it's just miserable!

Ugh, yes. I mean, we'll always have fanfic, but...I know it's coming and I can't handle it. It's the ultimate tragedy of the Man out of Time story arc, the little guy who just wanted to fight bullies and didn't ever manage to come home from the war.

Seriously, I never would have imaged that Chris Evans would be able to make me care so deeply about this character. Winter Soldier will never not be my favorite MCU movie for how well it was able to get to that deep well of sadness and loneliness (and dorkiness) behind the stoic exterior. What a fantastic, well-realized character. I want him and Bucky to be able to go off and enjoy some well-deserved rest after all this time.
posted by Salieri at 6:15 PM on March 14 [7 favorites]


I'm gonna go on record to say that Steve Rogers will NOT die in Avengers: Endgame. That is my prediction. Tony Stark, on the other hand, is gonna be deader than dead. Tony's gonna sacrifice himself so that Steve can live. There you go. Problem solved.
posted by wabbittwax at 6:27 PM on March 14 [2 favorites]


Tony is retiring to be a stay-at-home dad to Morgan Stark-Potts!!
posted by nicebookrack at 6:53 PM on March 14 [3 favorites]


Squirrel Girl: beginning to worry that my invite to be in Avengers: Endgame got lost in the mail
posted by nicebookrack at 7:05 PM on March 14 [8 favorites]


Based on what happed to Fury's eye, who really defeats Thanos?
posted by mogget at 9:13 PM on March 14 [4 favorites]


Maybe Endgame will be the end to otherwise reasonable web sites running three articles a week about Endgame because twitter and facebook have a theory.

I reckon that by now there have been fourteen million, six hundred and five theories posted online.

One is correct.
posted by ricochet biscuit at 9:20 PM on March 14 [2 favorites]


Marvel owes Jon Favreau so much more than a role as Happy Hogan, but maybe that's all he wants for now.

Marvel continues classic Marvel approach to rewarding creators: we hired you for a job and paid you for a job, we don't owe you shit.

(innnn fairness to Disney, Iron Man 2 was almost as bad as Iron Man was good)
posted by grandiloquiet at 9:45 PM on March 14 [1 favorite]


Well... Non-Americans (except probably Japan and China), check your movie listings. If it's anything like mine, you're getting the movie 2 days earlier.
posted by cendawanita at 12:55 AM on March 15


Marvel owes Jon Favreau so much more than a role as Happy Hogan, but maybe that's all he wants for now.

He's too busy making billions of dollars for Disney directing live action remakes of animated films.
posted by octothorpe at 4:42 AM on March 15 [1 favorite]


Iron Man really had no business being as good as it was. Four credited screenwriters wrote two different scripts; their work was compiled by Favreau, doctored by John August, and punched up by six comic book writers. (And if you believe Jeff Bridges, the actors just improvised everything anyway.) Favreau probably deserves a lot of credit for the strong, coherent story that somehow emerged from that process, but Dan Lebental, Iron Man's editor, may also have had something to do with it. Marvel has kept him constantly employed ever since.
posted by Iridic at 8:55 AM on March 15 [9 favorites]


Bridges on working on Iron Man:
“They had no script, man,” Bridges exclaims. “They had an outline. We would show up for big scenes every day and we wouldn’t know what we were going to say. We would have to go into our trailer and work on this scene and call up writers on the phone, ‘You got any ideas?’ Meanwhile the crew is tapping their foot on the stage waiting for us to come on.”

Bridges, director Jon Favreau and Robert Downey Jr. would literally act out sequences during primitive rehearsals, Downey taking on Bridges’s role and vice versa, to find and essentially improvise their way to full scenes, the actor recounts. Bridges says that the entire production was probably saved by the improv prowess of the film’s director and star.

“You’ve got the suits from Marvel in the trailer with us saying, ‘No, you wouldn’t say that,'” Bridges remembers. “You would think with a $200 million movie you’d have the shit together, but it was just the opposite. And the reason for that is because they get ahead of themselves. They have a release date before the script, ‘Oh, we’ll have the script before that time,’ and they don’t have their shit together.

“Jon dealt with it so well,” Bridges continues. “It freaked me out. I was very anxious. I like to be prepared. I like to know my lines, man, that’s my school. Very prepared. That was very irritating, and then I just made this adjustment. It happens in movies a lot where something’s rubbing against your fur and it’s not feeling right, but it’s just the way it is. You can spend a lot of energy bitching about that or you can figure out how you’re going to do it, how you’re going to play this hand you’ve been dealt. What you can control is how you perceive things and your thinking about it. So I said, ‘Oh, what we’re doing here, we’re making a $200 million student film. We’re all just fuckin’ around! We’re playin’. Oh, great!’ That took all the pressure off. ‘Oh, just jam, man, just play.’ And it turned out great!”
posted by octothorpe at 9:02 AM on March 15 [8 favorites]


The final "I am Iron Man" reveal in the first Iron Man movie was also, apparently, improv from Robert Downey Jr. Feige liked it so much, and decided it was in character enough, to let it stand. I maintain that ditching secret identities right from the outset like that was one of the absolute best choices the MCU ever made, because it freed the MCU up to tell more interesting, newer superhero stories than the already tired "but no one can know my secret!!!" secret identity angst plots.
posted by yasaman at 10:36 AM on March 15 [13 favorites]


Hmm. I was looking for more of a The Leftovers crossover feel. Which Avengers join the Guilty Remnant?
posted by emkelley at 10:59 AM on March 15


Four Bold Predictions Based on the ‘Avengers: Endgame’ Trailer

Pay close attention to the haircuts Endgame Will Spend Roughly Two-Thirds of Its Run Time Being Super Mopey There Will Be a Bigger-Than-Expected Time JumpThe Avengers Will Be Traveling—Just Not to Space Captain Marvel’s Cat Will Kill Thanos

posted by the man of twists and turns at 11:24 AM on March 15




RIP gamora's character development post-Endgame, probably.
posted by cendawanita at 11:35 AM on March 15 [1 favorite]


okay can anyone explain ronin to me

like

bad stuff happens to hawkeye and he becomes a new superhero? is that right? but he didn't have any powers to begin with, so...???
posted by lazaruslong at 11:44 AM on March 15


It's just like when David Bowie stopped being Ziggy Stardust, and became the Thin White Duke.
posted by 1970s Antihero at 11:50 AM on March 15 [8 favorites]


well sure, but bowie had actual powers
posted by lazaruslong at 12:01 PM on March 15 [16 favorites]


My bold but probably wrong prediction is that Carol Danvers dies while defeating Thanos but passes her powers along to Monica Rambeau first. Monica then ends up leading the Avengers for while before Captain Marvel 2 brings Carol back. I think that's who Marvel is being so cagey about hiding in the promo material.
posted by tobascodagama at 12:22 PM on March 15


I'm assuming that Clint associated being Hawkeye with his life as a family man, and assuming that his family (or some of them) got snappened, and he finds it too painful to assume the role, so he goes out Ronining. Back in the seventies, there was a storyline in which Steve Rogers was disillusioned with being Cap, so he put on another costume and became Nomad for a while. (Some comics fans assumed that post-Civil War MCU Steve would be Nomad until he got the shield back, and even though that wasn't the way they went, someone photoshopped Chris Evans into an MCUish version of the original Nomad costume, complete with décolletage.) There's also quite a bit of precedent for superheroes switching personas, temporarily or permanently; probably the best known in comics is Dick Grayson, the former Robin turned Nightwing (itself formerly an alternate persona of Superman's when he was doing Batman-type crimefighting in the bottle city of Kandor); in the aborted follow-up to the Alan Moore series Top 10 (set in a city where everyone's a superhero), having an alternate persona is portrayed as a kink.
posted by Halloween Jack at 12:22 PM on March 15


so he goes out Ronining.

Ironically, roninininining is a Don Martin sound effect for a bowstring being released.
posted by ricochet biscuit at 2:35 PM on March 15 [2 favorites]


I do wonder if Peggy Carter's voice over (who was criminally absent from Captain Marvel or most MCU films) is hint about...something.

My sense is that the way to undo what Thanos did will involve the quantum realm and, if not outright time-travel, then some kind of time-influencing, past-based intervention. (Like, they can't fix or undo the Snappening, so they have to stop it from having happened. That's why I like the those-are-quantum-realm-travelin'-suits theory.)

If so, with that in play, maybe they won't outright kill Steve Rogers, but drop him somewhere in time or something so that he gets a happy ending but is effectively dead to everyone in our time. Tony Stark, OTOH, will die nobly, his character arc seems to need it more.

At least, that's what should happen. Hasn't Steve sacrificed enough??
posted by LooseFilter at 4:54 PM on March 15 [4 favorites]


If so, with that in play, maybe they won't outright kill Steve Rogers, but drop him somewhere in time or something so that he gets a happy ending but is effectively dead to everyone in our time.

That's a great idea, because there's simply no way for him to retire in the present that isn't kind of an insult to his character. Having Steve suddenly give up on his need to help in bad situations just makes him not him anymore, because it's that unconditional commitment that defines him.
posted by invitapriore at 5:14 PM on March 15 [1 favorite]


Could just crash him into the ice again.
posted by ODiV at 5:15 PM on March 15


My vote is for de-seruming him. There's still an element of sacrifice there, it brings his character arc around nicely to remind us that he's not meant to be a perfect soldier, but instead just a good man, and it gives a great reason for him to pass on the shield to Sam Wilson or Bucky Barnes. Also, if the rumored Falcon and Winter Soldier show does happen, it could be a great arc to have both Sam and Bucky conflicted over if they can or should take over the mantle of Cap. If at the end of the miniseries, one of them does, well there you go. You have your lead in to the next phase of the MCU.

There's comics precedent for de-seruming, IIRC, and that way you have a totally plausible reason why he's not out there fighting, and the MCU could probably get away with the occasional reference to Steve doing some support or tactical thing. Alas, I'm about 95% certain they're going to kill him off or dump in the past/some alternate timeline. I wouldn't find dumping him in the past narratively satisfying, or believable on a character level, unless we get some good explanation of why Steve wouldn't immediately try to rescue Bucky from being the Winter Soldier. You can't make basically all three of Steve's solo movies be about Saving Bucky Barnes and then expect me to think he'd be cool with living happily in the past while his BFF is going through literal hell.
posted by yasaman at 5:34 PM on March 15 [1 favorite]


Steve could get dropped into an alternate past where he's lost his serum powers, reunites with Peggy, saves Bucky from Hydra decades earlier, and dies peacefully of old age the same year he was rescued from the ice in the original timeline.
posted by straight at 12:49 AM on March 16


It's interesting that neither Carol or Thor are shown in the team walk.

Since Carol's powers came from the Space Stone, she may be important to destroying it or something, similar to how Scarlet Witch could destroy the mind stone since her powers came from it.

Boy, humanity sure does seem capable of getting powers from the Stones, how about dat.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 8:17 AM on March 16


Are you all familiar with the Thanus Theory?
posted by Johnny Wallflower at 2:09 PM on March 28


I saw Mr. Rudd discuss it. It sounds like a pain in the butt.
posted by nubs at 2:16 PM on March 28 [1 favorite]


So I guess everybody has seen the portrait posters Marvel released of everyone who lived and everyone who didn't. (WHERE IS HEIMDALL?!)

So if we assume everyone in these portraits plus Thanos makes an appearance in this movie I count over 32 characters who have had at least an hour's worth of conversation in previous Marvel movies for us to get to know them.

Has there ever been a movie with that many characters who have had so much screen time? The thing that made the big airport battle in Civil War so good was that, unlike most big superhero battles (e.g. most X-Men movies), we'd had a chance to get to know and care about all the characters on both sides of the fight. So the events of the battle seemed more character driven than just an assortment of superpower tricks.

To me, that's what makes these overstuffed Avengers movies special. And Endgame looks like it could offer that sort of thing times...well, times 3. But that's still a lot!
posted by straight at 12:38 AM on March 29


Yeah, that's pretty much why most people I know are ok with the rumored 3-hour running time. This is comic geek's dream make real and I think we're all a bit stunned still that the movies have, overall, been really good.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 4:42 AM on March 29


I wish that they brought back intermissions with 3 hour movies. No one expected audiences to sit all the way through Ben-Hur and I don't think that bladders have gotten any bigger since then.
posted by octothorpe at 4:57 AM on March 29 [5 favorites]


You have 3 weeks to train your body!
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 2:26 PM on March 29 [2 favorites]




Vox has a breakdown of the final Endgame trailer.
posted by suelac at 1:08 PM on April 2 [1 favorite]




And from the Vox article:

Another curious thing is that it seems as though Carol Danvers, a.k.a. Captain Marvel, and some of the Avengers are flying a space ship (the shot right before it is the Guardians’ Benatar, but it’s unclear that’s a connected shot as Rocket, Groot, and Thor used the Stormbreaker to teleport to Wakanda in Infinity War)

Rocket, Groot, and Thor took a pod from the Benatar to go get Stormbreaker; the remainder of the Guardians took the Benatar to Knowhere and then to Titan. This is why Tony and Nebula appear to be on it, alone, in the previous trailers - it is their only way off of Titan post -snap.
posted by nubs at 2:22 PM on April 4 [1 favorite]


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