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My name is Sarah Conner. August 29th, 1997, was supposed to be Judgement Day. But I changed the future, saved 3 billion lives. Enough of a resumé for you? No. [Terminator: Dark Fate [previously] official trailer was released today, 2m33s]
I'm totally sold and I will be there in Dolby Cinema if the one such box in this area is running it.
posted by hippybear at 10:02 PM on August 29, 2019 [1 favorite]
posted by hippybear at 10:02 PM on August 29, 2019 [1 favorite]
The fact that Linda Hamilton is back means I'm there for this. That being said, I kinda feel like this trailer just gave us most of the cool moments of the film.
posted by nubs at 10:16 PM on August 29, 2019 [13 favorites]
posted by nubs at 10:16 PM on August 29, 2019 [13 favorites]
Lots of alluring films out lately, this looks good a buckle-upper! Brad's space movie with ensemble, Streep and Oldman The Laundry, Brad and Leonardo, and boomer Hollywood. They are courting my dollars...
posted by Oyéah at 10:20 PM on August 29, 2019 [1 favorite]
posted by Oyéah at 10:20 PM on August 29, 2019 [1 favorite]
Someone help me out, do I need to watch the last two or three Terminator movies to know what's going on?
posted by numaner at 10:42 PM on August 29, 2019 [3 favorites]
posted by numaner at 10:42 PM on August 29, 2019 [3 favorites]
Terminator, T2, and then this. The others aren't in this timeline.
posted by hippybear at 10:43 PM on August 29, 2019 [24 favorites]
posted by hippybear at 10:43 PM on August 29, 2019 [24 favorites]
I'll be back...
posted by AugustWest at 10:55 PM on August 29, 2019 [2 favorites]
posted by AugustWest at 10:55 PM on August 29, 2019 [2 favorites]
Schwarzenegger in the cabin is actually a cameo by John Matrix from Commando
posted by kirkaracha at 11:11 PM on August 29, 2019 [20 favorites]
posted by kirkaracha at 11:11 PM on August 29, 2019 [20 favorites]
Am I the only one who kinda enjoyed Terminator 3 or is it just because I'm a sucker for downer endings?
posted by PenDevil at 11:17 PM on August 29, 2019 [13 favorites]
posted by PenDevil at 11:17 PM on August 29, 2019 [13 favorites]
'PRODUCER JAMES CAMERON RETURNS'
You may remember him from such production credits as 'The Lost Tomb of Jesus' and 'What Would the Ocean Say?'
(it's just not the best way to build hype for something already trying so hard to be seen as a 'proper' Terminator film, whatever that is. There's a kind of 'Troy McLure returns to his most lucrative role... in a cameo!' thing going on here)
posted by BetaRayBiff at 11:27 PM on August 29, 2019 [3 favorites]
You may remember him from such production credits as 'The Lost Tomb of Jesus' and 'What Would the Ocean Say?'
(it's just not the best way to build hype for something already trying so hard to be seen as a 'proper' Terminator film, whatever that is. There's a kind of 'Troy McLure returns to his most lucrative role... in a cameo!' thing going on here)
posted by BetaRayBiff at 11:27 PM on August 29, 2019 [3 favorites]
*BWARP* Why do trailers
*BWARP* have to include that noise now
*BWARP*
posted by BinaryApe at 11:40 PM on August 29, 2019 [16 favorites]
*BWARP* have to include that noise now
*BWARP*
posted by BinaryApe at 11:40 PM on August 29, 2019 [16 favorites]
Ugh, smells like reheated nostalgia. At least someone finally figured out Linda Hamilton was the main reason T2 was good.
posted by benzenedream at 11:47 PM on August 29, 2019 [13 favorites]
posted by benzenedream at 11:47 PM on August 29, 2019 [13 favorites]
Loved the first one, loved T2, no interest whatsoever in all the others
posted by growabrain at 11:51 PM on August 29, 2019 [7 favorites]
posted by growabrain at 11:51 PM on August 29, 2019 [7 favorites]
BinaryApe, it’s called The Booj and the always fantastic Imaginary Worlds podcast just did a whole episode about it.
posted by iamkimiam at 12:00 AM on August 30, 2019 [14 favorites]
posted by iamkimiam at 12:00 AM on August 30, 2019 [14 favorites]
Terminator 3 was actually good! And I miss Nick Stahl.
posted by Dokterrock at 12:00 AM on August 30, 2019 [3 favorites]
posted by Dokterrock at 12:00 AM on August 30, 2019 [3 favorites]
(I noticed it right away too and I was like, nooooo the true antagonist of every film is baaaack again ahhhhhggkkh)
posted by iamkimiam at 12:03 AM on August 30, 2019 [1 favorite]
posted by iamkimiam at 12:03 AM on August 30, 2019 [1 favorite]
Jeez, the challenges of aging sure have changed a lot since Cocoon.
posted by gusottertrout at 12:14 AM on August 30, 2019 [19 favorites]
posted by gusottertrout at 12:14 AM on August 30, 2019 [19 favorites]
The Terminator: The Skynet Funding Bill is passed. The system goes on-line August 4th, 1997. Human decisions are removed from strategic defense. Skynet begins to learn at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware at 2:14 a.m. Eastern time, August 29th. In a panic, they try to pull the plug.
It's so dumb but my phone reminds me every year:
Google Calendar
Skynet becomes self-aware
2:14-3:14 AM
posted by ActingTheGoat at 12:44 AM on August 30, 2019 [28 favorites]
It's so dumb but my phone reminds me every year:
Google Calendar
Skynet becomes self-aware
2:14-3:14 AM
posted by ActingTheGoat at 12:44 AM on August 30, 2019 [28 favorites]
The later ones were ok as dumb action flicks, they just lacked any sense of plausibility in the sci-fi stuff and any sense of the characters being complete people. They were pure spectacle, which isn't very surprising since the message they intended to send was rendered socially (though not practically, people just stopped feeling the immediate threat) irrelevant once the Cold War was over and passed from immediate memory.
posted by wierdo at 1:01 AM on August 30, 2019 [3 favorites]
posted by wierdo at 1:01 AM on August 30, 2019 [3 favorites]
where my genisys stans at
posted by Ten Cold Hot Dogs at 1:22 AM on August 30, 2019 [6 favorites]
posted by Ten Cold Hot Dogs at 1:22 AM on August 30, 2019 [6 favorites]
A good time for a reminder, we are only two weeks away from the twentieth anniversary of the explosion that will knock the moon out of earth orbit and send it and the inhabitants of Moonbase Alpha on a deep space journey.
posted by biffa at 2:01 AM on August 30, 2019 [28 favorites]
posted by biffa at 2:01 AM on August 30, 2019 [28 favorites]
Am I the only one who kinda enjoyed Terminator 3
You must be confused. There was The Terminator and Terminator 2. Nothing else.
posted by zardoz at 2:14 AM on August 30, 2019 [7 favorites]
You must be confused. There was The Terminator and Terminator 2. Nothing else.
posted by zardoz at 2:14 AM on August 30, 2019 [7 favorites]
pls no stahp
posted by Bwentman at 2:38 AM on August 30, 2019 [1 favorite]
posted by Bwentman at 2:38 AM on August 30, 2019 [1 favorite]
When are they going to announce the real title?
posted by Faint of Butt at 2:48 AM on August 30, 2019 [3 favorites]
posted by Faint of Butt at 2:48 AM on August 30, 2019 [3 favorites]
You must be confused. There was The Terminator and Terminator 2. Nothing else.
I liked S.M. Stirling's T2: Rising Storm; T2: Infiltrator; T2: The Future War novels.
I liked S.M. Stirling's T2: Rising Storm; T2: Infiltrator; T2: The Future War novels.
p. 115 ------posted by mikelieman at 3:23 AM on August 30, 2019 [1 favorite]
The next patient was an elderly woman with a very high fever, nausea, and very bad diarrhea. She complained of pains in her joints and headache as well. Dr. Ramsingh had gone to the HQ to talk to the captain about this. Two patients was hardly an epidemic, but these suggestive symptoms couldn’t be ignored.
The old lady looked up at her with fever-bright eyes when Mary put the thermometer under her tongue.
"Don’ wann be a burthen," she said.
"You’re not," Mary assured her. "You’ll be fine soon."
She certainly hoped so. That there might be cholera in this camp was inexcusable.
p. 116 ------
There was a commotion at the head of the ward and Mary looked up.
"This is a the hospital ward," the matron was explaining. "You have to take them to the clinic."
"Don’t tell us to take them somewhere else," a man was saying, shouting, actually. "Can’t you see they’re sick?"
"Help up!" the woman beside him said desperately.
Mary headed toward them. Oh God, she thought, *it’s children*. One of them a babe in arms, the other about the size of a four year-old. Her gut went cold. Cholera was very hard on the very young and the very old. Her eyes met the matrons’ and they made a mutual executive decision.
"If one of you will stay with Matron and help her fill out a chart, I’ll help the other put these children to bed." Mary put the tray on the desk and held out her arms.
The man and woman glanced at each other, then the man held out the child he was carrying; a boy, Mary saw. She took him and led the woman down the ward toward a pair of cribs that Mary now thought insanely optimistic of whoever had put this place together. *Just two*, she thought sadly.
"What are their symptoms?" she asked the mother. She didn’t need to be told "fever"; she could feel it burning through the blanket. *Ice*, she thought, *where are we going to get ice?*
"Diarrhea," the mother said, her voice shaking. "It just won’t stop."
It was the symptom Mary had most dreaded hearing. She efficiently stripped and cleaned the little boy and put a Pampers on him. *These aren’t going to last long,* she thought bitterly.
You must be confused. There was The Terminator and Terminator 2. Nothing else.
There was a 3, then a huge gap, then the one that starred that crazy dragon lady from the most disappointing final season of anything ever.
posted by krisjohn at 4:10 AM on August 30, 2019 [4 favorites]
There was a 3, then a huge gap, then the one that starred that crazy dragon lady from the most disappointing final season of anything ever.
posted by krisjohn at 4:10 AM on August 30, 2019 [4 favorites]
I really really love seeing women in older ages as heroes, it makes me cry right now. I don't even care how good the movie is, I mean I do, but it won't ruin that I love this and I want to see more of it. Hollywood, and our cultural attention span have been abandoning women after a certain age, right when wisdom and capacity for depth at understanding the human condition is often at it's prime.
posted by xarnop at 4:15 AM on August 30, 2019 [34 favorites]
posted by xarnop at 4:15 AM on August 30, 2019 [34 favorites]
posted by PenDevil
Am I the only one who kinda enjoyed Terminator 3 or is it just because I'm a sucker for downer endings?
No - I think the ending "twist" of T3 is the only thing that redeems it even a little.
How are we going to stop Judgment Day?
Errr.... turns out, this time, we aren't....
posted by Paladin1138 at 4:16 AM on August 30, 2019 [4 favorites]
Am I the only one who kinda enjoyed Terminator 3 or is it just because I'm a sucker for downer endings?
No - I think the ending "twist" of T3 is the only thing that redeems it even a little.
How are we going to stop Judgment Day?
Errr.... turns out, this time, we aren't....
posted by Paladin1138 at 4:16 AM on August 30, 2019 [4 favorites]
Tim Miller's a pretty good action director but David S. Goyer's last writing credit was Batman V Superman so I'm not getting my hopes up too high.
I do love Hamilton's voice now.
posted by octothorpe at 4:46 AM on August 30, 2019 [1 favorite]
I do love Hamilton's voice now.
posted by octothorpe at 4:46 AM on August 30, 2019 [1 favorite]
hrrmmmmmnnnnnn...... ripped women of three different generations.... yes.... this is my jam.... but golly the Aviator style of sunglasses looks terrible on everyone now. Really terrible.
I feel like they should have toned down the splatter and just gone suggestive with most of the violence. There's just not a great need any more to show how anatomically and ballistically correct CG wetwork can be. It's just ... boring.
I would listen to Linda Hamilton read a cereal box, though.
posted by seanmpuckett at 4:59 AM on August 30, 2019 [8 favorites]
I feel like they should have toned down the splatter and just gone suggestive with most of the violence. There's just not a great need any more to show how anatomically and ballistically correct CG wetwork can be. It's just ... boring.
I would listen to Linda Hamilton read a cereal box, though.
posted by seanmpuckett at 4:59 AM on August 30, 2019 [8 favorites]
Bad ass Sarah Connor! I'm in!
posted by kaymac at 5:00 AM on August 30, 2019 [3 favorites]
posted by kaymac at 5:00 AM on August 30, 2019 [3 favorites]
Is it just me or is there something wrong with some of the special effects? Or is it a deliberate 80's throwback thing?
posted by srboisvert at 5:06 AM on August 30, 2019 [1 favorite]
posted by srboisvert at 5:06 AM on August 30, 2019 [1 favorite]
IRL that would actually not be a good resume because she's old. We'd love to hire you, Mrs. Connor, we just think you're overqualified for this position.
posted by scratch at 5:23 AM on August 30, 2019 [4 favorites]
posted by scratch at 5:23 AM on August 30, 2019 [4 favorites]
our cultural attention span have been abandoning women after a certain age, right when wisdom and capacity for depth at understanding the human condition is often at it's prime
if u old u must have shot lots of different types of guns
posted by lalochezia at 5:29 AM on August 30, 2019 [1 favorite]
if u old u must have shot lots of different types of guns
posted by lalochezia at 5:29 AM on August 30, 2019 [1 favorite]
Am I the only one who kinda enjoyed Terminator 3 or is it just because I'm a sucker for downer endings?
I recall enjoying Terminator 3 and liking the ending. And if nothing else, the third film ended up giving us the most hilariously ridiculous cutscene in the whole franchise.
posted by AlonzoMosleyFBI at 5:32 AM on August 30, 2019 [14 favorites]
I recall enjoying Terminator 3 and liking the ending. And if nothing else, the third film ended up giving us the most hilariously ridiculous cutscene in the whole franchise.
posted by AlonzoMosleyFBI at 5:32 AM on August 30, 2019 [14 favorites]
xarnop I came here to say this exact thing. And not only does she look her age, she’s still a bitchin’ badass. Reminds me of Jamie Lee Curtis in the last Halloween installment.
posted by flyingsquirrel at 5:35 AM on August 30, 2019 [4 favorites]
posted by flyingsquirrel at 5:35 AM on August 30, 2019 [4 favorites]
There was a 3, then a huge gap, then the one that starred that crazy dragon lady from the most disappointing final season of anything ever.
I thought for a moment that you had misidentified Lena Heady, but then I remembered Emilia Clarke was in Genisys.
Sarah Connor Chronicles is seriously underrated as an entry in the Terminator canon.
posted by tobascodagama at 5:35 AM on August 30, 2019 [23 favorites]
I thought for a moment that you had misidentified Lena Heady, but then I remembered Emilia Clarke was in Genisys.
Sarah Connor Chronicles is seriously underrated as an entry in the Terminator canon.
posted by tobascodagama at 5:35 AM on August 30, 2019 [23 favorites]
Absolutely, tobascodagama. I am shocked, shocked at the level of Terminator:TSCC erasure happening in this thread. I'm reserving final judgment until I see this new movie, but until then the first 2 movies + the TV show are my Terminator canon.
posted by Strange Interlude at 5:40 AM on August 30, 2019 [11 favorites]
posted by Strange Interlude at 5:40 AM on August 30, 2019 [11 favorites]
I am sure I'll end up seeing it at some point, but at least in the trailer the CGI/special effects were pretty eye-rollingly bad. There's an interesting story they could be telling, which isn't the same as stringing together big fight scenes and some explosions.
posted by Dip Flash at 5:55 AM on August 30, 2019
posted by Dip Flash at 5:55 AM on August 30, 2019
Makes me want to see a big-screen team-up of Linda Hamilton, Jamie Lee Curtis, and Sigourney Weaver.
posted by cheshyre at 5:57 AM on August 30, 2019 [36 favorites]
posted by cheshyre at 5:57 AM on August 30, 2019 [36 favorites]
I believe that might kill me. But what a way to go.
posted by seanmpuckett at 5:58 AM on August 30, 2019 [3 favorites]
posted by seanmpuckett at 5:58 AM on August 30, 2019 [3 favorites]
Just imagine it, the three of them, teaming up to beat the shit out of ... I mean, anything. It could be a series. Like Charlie's Angels. Only it's called THE FATES. JLC does the research/social ops, SW does the infiltration/engineering, and LH takes point and does wetwork. And sometimes they mix it up. COME ON, GIVE ME THIS ONE THING.
posted by seanmpuckett at 6:01 AM on August 30, 2019 [24 favorites]
posted by seanmpuckett at 6:01 AM on August 30, 2019 [24 favorites]
The end of that trailer was awesome.
posted by ceejaytee at 6:04 AM on August 30, 2019 [1 favorite]
posted by ceejaytee at 6:04 AM on August 30, 2019 [1 favorite]
Is it just me or is there something wrong with some of the special effects? Or is it a deliberate 80's throwback thing?
I am sure I'll end up seeing it at some point, but at least in the trailer the CGI/special effects were pretty eye-rollingly bad.
CGI/special effects are often unfinished/not final in trailers.
posted by Fleebnork at 6:10 AM on August 30, 2019 [3 favorites]
I am sure I'll end up seeing it at some point, but at least in the trailer the CGI/special effects were pretty eye-rollingly bad.
CGI/special effects are often unfinished/not final in trailers.
posted by Fleebnork at 6:10 AM on August 30, 2019 [3 favorites]
then I remembered Emilia Clarke was in Genisys.Among their numerous (very, very numerous) flaws, one thing I found disappointing about the final episodes of GoT was the failure to have Linda Hamilton on screen - even if just as a background extra - when Emilia Clarke and Lena Headey met.
posted by Hatashran at 6:10 AM on August 30, 2019 [4 favorites]
I'm in the fortunate position of having seen T1 and T2 and then literally nothing else. I didn't even *hear* of anything else except in passing. It's like I Rip Van Winkled the last 20 years, as far as this franchise is concerned, and I am
so
freaking
pumped!!!
posted by MiraK at 6:21 AM on August 30, 2019 [5 favorites]
so
freaking
pumped!!!
posted by MiraK at 6:21 AM on August 30, 2019 [5 favorites]
I've also only ever seen T1 and T2 although I've seen those many times each.
posted by octothorpe at 6:23 AM on August 30, 2019
posted by octothorpe at 6:23 AM on August 30, 2019
*BWARP*
I just want to salute BinaryApe for this impressive feat of phonetic spelling of a sound without phonetics - I haven't even watched the trailer yet, but I know exactly what sound is being referred to. (And now I will forever hear it as "bwarp.")
posted by solotoro at 6:36 AM on August 30, 2019 [1 favorite]
I just want to salute BinaryApe for this impressive feat of phonetic spelling of a sound without phonetics - I haven't even watched the trailer yet, but I know exactly what sound is being referred to. (And now I will forever hear it as "bwarp.")
posted by solotoro at 6:36 AM on August 30, 2019 [1 favorite]
A good time for a reminder, we are only two weeks away from the twentieth anniversary of the explosion that will knock the moon out of earth orbit and send it and the inhabitants of Moonbase Alpha on a deep space journey.
One impulse that knocks the moon out of orbit, I find that really implausible. Like, would the moon be intact after an explosion of that magnitude? Surely the shock would obliterate Moonbase Alpha?
And anyways wouldn’t the Moon then just be in an independent orbit around the Sun? Certainly not traveling fast enough through interstellar space to be in new locations and meeting new aliens / threats every week?
The Eagles were cool,but it is like they didn’t think it through.
posted by Meatbomb at 6:37 AM on August 30, 2019 [2 favorites]
You know, it's funny. I remember going to see the first Terminator, in 1984. It came out on my birthday, October 26, a rainy, chilly autumn day. I'd just turned sixteen. I was totally blown away by its relentlessness, its brutal action, its fragile, desperate characters, and most of all, its sense of inevitable doom, just over the horizon. It felt like the work of someone who cared, passionately, about telling a story, and telling it well. When it was over, I felt energized, supercharged.
1991 rolls around. I'm twenty-three. Terminator 2 comes out, July 1, a true summer blockbuster. It too overwhelmed me, but in a different way. All the amazing visuals washed over me until I felt numb. It was technically superb, but it didn't feel like a passion project any more. Now, it was the work of a highly proficient technician, whose attention had shifted from telling a story, to the craft of making stunning imagery. There's no question T2 was well-made, and had a good story, but I just didn't like it as well as the first one. When this one was over, I just felt exhausted.
I saw the third Terminator, and it was a filmed business deal, but it had its moments, and its ending brought back the sense of inescapable fate, if only for a moment.
I didn't see the fourth or fifth terminator movies. I don't think I missed much.
This latest thing, at least from the trailers, feels like it was made by Skynet itself: A cold, artificial mimicry, with its storytelling reduced to rote mechanical beats, and endless, heartless pixellated spectacle, with its only real goal to move ones and zeroes between bank accounts.
I miss how I felt on that cold October night, stepping out of the theater, all those years ago.
posted by KHAAAN! at 6:51 AM on August 30, 2019 [7 favorites]
1991 rolls around. I'm twenty-three. Terminator 2 comes out, July 1, a true summer blockbuster. It too overwhelmed me, but in a different way. All the amazing visuals washed over me until I felt numb. It was technically superb, but it didn't feel like a passion project any more. Now, it was the work of a highly proficient technician, whose attention had shifted from telling a story, to the craft of making stunning imagery. There's no question T2 was well-made, and had a good story, but I just didn't like it as well as the first one. When this one was over, I just felt exhausted.
I saw the third Terminator, and it was a filmed business deal, but it had its moments, and its ending brought back the sense of inescapable fate, if only for a moment.
I didn't see the fourth or fifth terminator movies. I don't think I missed much.
This latest thing, at least from the trailers, feels like it was made by Skynet itself: A cold, artificial mimicry, with its storytelling reduced to rote mechanical beats, and endless, heartless pixellated spectacle, with its only real goal to move ones and zeroes between bank accounts.
I miss how I felt on that cold October night, stepping out of the theater, all those years ago.
posted by KHAAAN! at 6:51 AM on August 30, 2019 [7 favorites]
The Eagles were cool,but it is like they didn’t think it through.
Get out of my cab.
posted by thelonius at 7:29 AM on August 30, 2019 [9 favorites]
Get out of my cab.
posted by thelonius at 7:29 AM on August 30, 2019 [9 favorites]
There was a 3, then a huge gap, then the one that starred that crazy dragon lady from the most disappointing final season of anything ever.
I thought for a moment that you had misidentified Lena Heady, but then I remembered Emilia Clarke was in Genisys.
I'm really glad someone filled me in there because I had a list of like 5-6 shows contending for "more disappointing final season" and honestly GoT didn't even rank, kept wracking my brain about dragon lady.
anyway I agree that I kind of wish I didn't seen this trailer because there are some really incredible moments in there but also I am definitely seeing this movie now, so good job, marketing!
posted by curious nu at 7:32 AM on August 30, 2019 [1 favorite]
I thought for a moment that you had misidentified Lena Heady, but then I remembered Emilia Clarke was in Genisys.
I'm really glad someone filled me in there because I had a list of like 5-6 shows contending for "more disappointing final season" and honestly GoT didn't even rank, kept wracking my brain about dragon lady.
anyway I agree that I kind of wish I didn't seen this trailer because there are some really incredible moments in there but also I am definitely seeing this movie now, so good job, marketing!
posted by curious nu at 7:32 AM on August 30, 2019 [1 favorite]
I never liked action movies and fight scenes. I always found them boring. Then I saw T2 (I still haven't seen T1. Don't really need to). Linda Hamilton was just...that asylum scene alone...my heart.
Anyway, the weird knock-on effect of this is, when I see movies like this one that have Linda Hamilton, or other badass women, doing their thing on screen, I pay close attention while that's happening, and immediately get bored when they're not on screen.
So like, the bits of this trailer that were Bad Guy Doing Shit? Eh. No women on screen? I'm tuned out.
How much I like this movie will directly correlate to how many minutes have women onscreen kicking ass, is what I'm saying. There better not be a lot of long sections with Just Dudes.
posted by emjaybee at 7:35 AM on August 30, 2019 [2 favorites]
Anyway, the weird knock-on effect of this is, when I see movies like this one that have Linda Hamilton, or other badass women, doing their thing on screen, I pay close attention while that's happening, and immediately get bored when they're not on screen.
So like, the bits of this trailer that were Bad Guy Doing Shit? Eh. No women on screen? I'm tuned out.
How much I like this movie will directly correlate to how many minutes have women onscreen kicking ass, is what I'm saying. There better not be a lot of long sections with Just Dudes.
posted by emjaybee at 7:35 AM on August 30, 2019 [2 favorites]
Not to belabour the point about Sarah Connor Chronicles, but the second season features Shirley Manson from Garbage as an evil businesswoman antagonist... who is also a Terminator.
To the eternal shame of all the major streaming services, it's not available with any of their subscriptions, but maybe find out if your local library has it on DVD or something.
posted by tobascodagama at 7:45 AM on August 30, 2019 [7 favorites]
To the eternal shame of all the major streaming services, it's not available with any of their subscriptions, but maybe find out if your local library has it on DVD or something.
posted by tobascodagama at 7:45 AM on August 30, 2019 [7 favorites]
Wait. The Terminator is retired to a cabin in the woods? Does he do woodworking challenges with Nick Offerman? I’m in.
posted by amanda at 7:56 AM on August 30, 2019 [4 favorites]
posted by amanda at 7:56 AM on August 30, 2019 [4 favorites]
This weekend, I'll be visiting Linda Hamilton's quasi alma mater, also my alma mater (Hamilton only spent two years there.) Legend has it that her acting professor at Washington College wasn't too impressed with her abilities.
posted by emelenjr at 7:58 AM on August 30, 2019
posted by emelenjr at 7:58 AM on August 30, 2019
The damsel in distress in this movie is a Hispanic woman with a south-of-the-border accent. And at least some of the bad guys are dressed in Border Patrol uniforms, including the big bad Terminator himself. Are they really going to go there? Hints of Elysium or maybe Children of Men.
posted by Nelson at 8:17 AM on August 30, 2019 [5 favorites]
posted by Nelson at 8:17 AM on August 30, 2019 [5 favorites]
Am I the only one who kinda enjoyed Terminator 3 or is it just because I'm a sucker for downer endings?
The ending was the only redeeming quality of T3, imo, so you're not completely alone on that point.
As for this one, I'm pretty pumped. Every Terminator movie since T2 has pretty much sucked (Sarah Connor Chronicles was OK, but I only saw a few episodes back when it was originally on TV), but this actually looks good. I agree that the return of Linda Hamilton is a large part of the reason I'm actually interested in watching this one in the theatre, instead reluctantly watching it at home months after it's been released on some streaming service.
One thing I'm confused about, since they're saying everything past T2 is an alternate timeline, is how the T-800/Arniebot fits into this. He's old, so I'm assuming he's supposed to be a Terminator who came back in time several decades ago, but that doesn't line up with either of the previous movies in this timeline, since both of the T-800s known to have travelled back in time were destroyed.
posted by asnider at 8:21 AM on August 30, 2019 [1 favorite]
The ending was the only redeeming quality of T3, imo, so you're not completely alone on that point.
As for this one, I'm pretty pumped. Every Terminator movie since T2 has pretty much sucked (Sarah Connor Chronicles was OK, but I only saw a few episodes back when it was originally on TV), but this actually looks good. I agree that the return of Linda Hamilton is a large part of the reason I'm actually interested in watching this one in the theatre, instead reluctantly watching it at home months after it's been released on some streaming service.
One thing I'm confused about, since they're saying everything past T2 is an alternate timeline, is how the T-800/Arniebot fits into this. He's old, so I'm assuming he's supposed to be a Terminator who came back in time several decades ago, but that doesn't line up with either of the previous movies in this timeline, since both of the T-800s known to have travelled back in time were destroyed.
posted by asnider at 8:21 AM on August 30, 2019 [1 favorite]
Man, The Sarah Connor Chronicles were pretty great. We really enjoyed it, and were sad it got canned.
It has two of the most affecting scenes in the entire oeuvre.
The second of the two is the simple, brutal, and absurdly sudden death of Derek Reese, but the first one is better.
On John Connor's birthday, Derek takes him to a park to get ice cream, but the real gift is identity of the pair of brothers playing there. It's a great scene.
posted by uberchet at 8:29 AM on August 30, 2019 [4 favorites]
It has two of the most affecting scenes in the entire oeuvre.
The second of the two is the simple, brutal, and absurdly sudden death of Derek Reese, but the first one is better.
On John Connor's birthday, Derek takes him to a park to get ice cream, but the real gift is identity of the pair of brothers playing there. It's a great scene.
posted by uberchet at 8:29 AM on August 30, 2019 [4 favorites]
@curious nu: Co-sign. I was trying to figure out what he had against Sun from LOST.
posted by HillbillyInBC at 9:03 AM on August 30, 2019 [1 favorite]
posted by HillbillyInBC at 9:03 AM on August 30, 2019 [1 favorite]
Not to belabour the point about Sarah Connor Chronicles, but the second season features Shirley Manson from Garbage as an evil businesswoman antagonist... who is also a Terminator.
AND ALSO A URINAL!
posted by Just this guy, y'know at 9:23 AM on August 30, 2019 [8 favorites]
AND ALSO A URINAL!
posted by Just this guy, y'know at 9:23 AM on August 30, 2019 [8 favorites]
Along with the damaged Terminator trying to pull herself together... I think that The Sarah Connor Chronicles is actually my favourite of ther terminator franchise. 1 and 2 together (and they must be seen together) are 2nd, followed by Genisys (which I don't feel is bad). Somehow, I still haven't seen Salvation. I think I was too pissed about the cancelling of Chronicles to actually watch it despite having a copy.
posted by nobeagle at 10:39 AM on August 30, 2019
posted by nobeagle at 10:39 AM on August 30, 2019
uberchet: "The second of the two is the simple, brutal, and absurdly sudden death of Derek Reese"
Jeez, even for a TV show the fast action camera change cuts in that scene were ridiculous. Can we officially call that editing style over now, and go back to wide angle steadicam shots where you can actually follow whatever the hell is happening?
posted by caution live frogs at 10:42 AM on August 30, 2019
Jeez, even for a TV show the fast action camera change cuts in that scene were ridiculous. Can we officially call that editing style over now, and go back to wide angle steadicam shots where you can actually follow whatever the hell is happening?
posted by caution live frogs at 10:42 AM on August 30, 2019
And at least some of the bad guys are dressed in Border Patrol uniforms, including the big bad Terminator himself. Are they really going to go there?
From the looks of the trailer, it's certainly they're going somewhere with it... notice the people escaping from cages at this timestamp. The Terminator is killing Border Patrol guards in a border patrol facility from the looks of it... disguised as a Border Patrol guard. I'm sure this movie will treat the circumstances of the border crisis with seriousness and not just as background scenery for a brown faced robot to rip through dozens of white dudes.
posted by Mister Cheese at 11:17 AM on August 30, 2019 [2 favorites]
From the looks of the trailer, it's certainly they're going somewhere with it... notice the people escaping from cages at this timestamp. The Terminator is killing Border Patrol guards in a border patrol facility from the looks of it... disguised as a Border Patrol guard. I'm sure this movie will treat the circumstances of the border crisis with seriousness and not just as background scenery for a brown faced robot to rip through dozens of white dudes.
posted by Mister Cheese at 11:17 AM on August 30, 2019 [2 favorites]
Sarah Connor Chronicles was OK, but I only saw a few episodes back when it was originally on TV
T:SCC was fucking brilliant and I'm still angry that Fox killed it so Joss could make another season of Dollhouse. Josh Friedman posted an interview last year that explains his early-season thoughts about where the show was going. Pretty damned epic, sigh.
Ah, well, we still have fanfiction, I guess, but it's not the same.
posted by suelac at 11:39 AM on August 30, 2019 [1 favorite]
T:SCC was fucking brilliant and I'm still angry that Fox killed it so Joss could make another season of Dollhouse. Josh Friedman posted an interview last year that explains his early-season thoughts about where the show was going. Pretty damned epic, sigh.
Ah, well, we still have fanfiction, I guess, but it's not the same.
posted by suelac at 11:39 AM on August 30, 2019 [1 favorite]
I've wondered for awhile how Governor groper managed to evade the Me Too reckoning. He seems to have a public relations firm posting feel good stories about him on reddit every week or so. In the same vein as the "former President Bush slipped Michelle Obama some candy" type of image management.
Add my vote for The Sarah Connor Chronicles being among the best things in the franchise.
posted by Bee'sWing at 1:52 PM on August 30, 2019 [1 favorite]
Add my vote for The Sarah Connor Chronicles being among the best things in the franchise.
posted by Bee'sWing at 1:52 PM on August 30, 2019 [1 favorite]
Makes me want to see a big-screen team-up of Linda Hamilton, Jamie Lee Curtis, and Sigourney Weaver.
There's been an "Expendabelles" spin-off of the Expendables franchise that's been bandied about for years, with every woman who's ever been in an action movie being suggested for the cast. Nothing solid yet, though. See also, previously on the blue.
As for this, I'm trusting in Tim Miller to keep thinks perking along and to provide at least some humor, if not necessarily at Deadpool levels. That would be loads better than the other post-T2 movies; T3 was satisfyingly downbeat in the manner of any number of 80s the-nukes-fly movies, and that deleted Sgt. Candy scene should have been in it, but otherwise was kind of meh. I shut Salvation off after the first five minutes. Genisys was likewise not much of a much; Emilia Clarke was fine, but whoever said that Jai Courtney has the sort of face that's the starting/default option for customizable avatars in videogames got it right.
posted by Halloween Jack at 2:45 PM on August 30, 2019
There's been an "Expendabelles" spin-off of the Expendables franchise that's been bandied about for years, with every woman who's ever been in an action movie being suggested for the cast. Nothing solid yet, though. See also, previously on the blue.
As for this, I'm trusting in Tim Miller to keep thinks perking along and to provide at least some humor, if not necessarily at Deadpool levels. That would be loads better than the other post-T2 movies; T3 was satisfyingly downbeat in the manner of any number of 80s the-nukes-fly movies, and that deleted Sgt. Candy scene should have been in it, but otherwise was kind of meh. I shut Salvation off after the first five minutes. Genisys was likewise not much of a much; Emilia Clarke was fine, but whoever said that Jai Courtney has the sort of face that's the starting/default option for customizable avatars in videogames got it right.
posted by Halloween Jack at 2:45 PM on August 30, 2019
I think I sold my T:TSCC dvds a while back. I might have to re-buy.
Leave it to that show to make “Donald, Where’s Your Trousers?” a scary thing.
Also makes me think Garrett Dillahunt ought to get a crack at that Jack Reacher tv show.
posted by Mister Moofoo at 3:27 PM on August 30, 2019 [2 favorites]
Leave it to that show to make “Donald, Where’s Your Trousers?” a scary thing.
Also makes me think Garrett Dillahunt ought to get a crack at that Jack Reacher tv show.
posted by Mister Moofoo at 3:27 PM on August 30, 2019 [2 favorites]
whoever said that Jai Courtney has the sort of face that's the starting/default option for customizable avatars in videogames got it right
I didn't see the Genisys and was otherwise unfamiliar with this guy, so I had to look him up and, yup, I've definitely played eight million games as some dude with this guy's face and Troy Baker's voice.
posted by tobascodagama at 7:57 PM on August 30, 2019 [1 favorite]
I didn't see the Genisys and was otherwise unfamiliar with this guy, so I had to look him up and, yup, I've definitely played eight million games as some dude with this guy's face and Troy Baker's voice.
posted by tobascodagama at 7:57 PM on August 30, 2019 [1 favorite]
One thing I'm confused about, since they're saying everything past T2 is an alternate timeline, is how the T-800/Arniebot fits into this. He's old, so I'm assuming he's supposed to be a Terminator who came back in time several decades ago.
My theory since the git-go has been that maybe Arnold isn't playing a Terminator in this one? Maybe he's playing some hard-as-nails Special Forces badass that Skynet used as a template for the T-800 series. It's already been used as a plot point in some tie-in novels that were written between T2 and T3, and I'm surprised they haven't tried it in any of the movies thus far.
posted by Strange Interlude at 5:26 AM on August 31, 2019 [2 favorites]
My theory since the git-go has been that maybe Arnold isn't playing a Terminator in this one? Maybe he's playing some hard-as-nails Special Forces badass that Skynet used as a template for the T-800 series. It's already been used as a plot point in some tie-in novels that were written between T2 and T3, and I'm surprised they haven't tried it in any of the movies thus far.
posted by Strange Interlude at 5:26 AM on August 31, 2019 [2 favorites]
They have tried it! There’s a deleted scene in Terminator 3 where Arnold plays the guy the Terminators are based on.
posted by The Man from Lardfork at 5:56 AM on August 31, 2019
posted by The Man from Lardfork at 5:56 AM on August 31, 2019
I don't really count the Sgt. Candy scene, because 1) it was wisely deleted from the final movie and 2) it threw away what I think would be a pretty great concept for the Terminator universe for a goofy voiceover gag. Of course, T3 is happening in a completely different timeline now, given that Sarah is still alive in 2019 and didn't die of cancer like she did in nearly every other timeline.
posted by Strange Interlude at 12:40 PM on August 31, 2019 [1 favorite]
posted by Strange Interlude at 12:40 PM on August 31, 2019 [1 favorite]
Solid grin on my face. I don't care if it's good or not, LINDA HAMILTON!!!ELEVEN!
Was ultra impressed with Mackenzie Davis in 'Halt and Catch Fire.'
Edward Furlong is credited, but is that flashbacks or does he have a contemporary role?
posted by porpoise at 8:32 PM on August 31, 2019
Was ultra impressed with Mackenzie Davis in 'Halt and Catch Fire.'
Edward Furlong is credited, but is that flashbacks or does he have a contemporary role?
posted by porpoise at 8:32 PM on August 31, 2019
PenDevil - T3/ Downer endings.
Totally, but it's also a neat allegory; Skynet failing to kill resistance leaders levels up resistance leaders who will be more effective against a young Skynet, unless Skynet upgrades itself to compensate ~ modern leaps and bounds in consumer technology and the feeling of being left behind by progress (being literally hunted down and killed by the new tech).
This is one aspect of the time travel plot that I can applaud, as a time travel fiction fan. I didn't have a ton of problems with Genisys or whatever it was called, after a rewatch or two either. The one with Christian Bale was - how is this even a Terminator film? Oh no they didn't copy the mechanical person-harvest from Wild Wild West. It was the most ridiculous one. Even Genisys felt more sober.
T1 is still the best and holds up better than many of it's peers, SCC was incredible - least annoying John Conner of the lot, T2 was a commercial project and the successors increasingly moreso.
posted by porpoise at 8:56 PM on August 31, 2019 [1 favorite]
Totally, but it's also a neat allegory; Skynet failing to kill resistance leaders levels up resistance leaders who will be more effective against a young Skynet, unless Skynet upgrades itself to compensate ~ modern leaps and bounds in consumer technology and the feeling of being left behind by progress (being literally hunted down and killed by the new tech).
This is one aspect of the time travel plot that I can applaud, as a time travel fiction fan. I didn't have a ton of problems with Genisys or whatever it was called, after a rewatch or two either. The one with Christian Bale was - how is this even a Terminator film? Oh no they didn't copy the mechanical person-harvest from Wild Wild West. It was the most ridiculous one. Even Genisys felt more sober.
T1 is still the best and holds up better than many of it's peers, SCC was incredible - least annoying John Conner of the lot, T2 was a commercial project and the successors increasingly moreso.
posted by porpoise at 8:56 PM on August 31, 2019 [1 favorite]
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Pretty high body-count but I'll see it anyway...
posted by suelac at 9:59 PM on August 29, 2019