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December 8, 2019 5:34 PM   Subscribe

The official trailer for Wonder Woman 1984 appeared. The new Wonder Woman movie, a/k/a WW84: Wonder Woman, is scheduled to appear next summer.
posted by doctornemo (73 comments total) 18 users marked this as a favorite
 
Wow, looks very different than I expected -- I thought it was going to be more grim, and all about the Soviets and the Cold War. I have no idea who Maxwell Lord is, or why she has a golden suit, but i am SO THERE FOR ALL OF THIS.

Wonder Woman, Black Widow, Birds of Prey. If 2017 and 2019 were the years where female superheroes broke the glass ceiling, 2020 looks like the year where they're so common that we forget it ever used to be different.

So, some progress. Impeach Trump.
posted by Chronorin at 5:53 PM on December 8, 2019 [32 favorites]


It looks wonderfully ridiculous, am getting my stomach ready for the artificially flavored popcorn.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 5:54 PM on December 8, 2019 [4 favorites]


Yay, the Lynda Carter big screen adaptation I've always wanted!
posted by cendawanita at 6:01 PM on December 8, 2019 [4 favorites]


Maxwell Lord is an interesting character who started off as part of a humorous take on the Justice League and evolved into a rather dangerous antagonist. With Pedro Pascal portraying him I look forward to a nicely balanced camp to danger ratio.
posted by Ignorantsavage at 6:01 PM on December 8, 2019 [6 favorites]


Holy crap, that poster. There will be no less than four copies of that poster on every dorm floor in America for the next decade, and rightfully so.
posted by Etrigan at 6:09 PM on December 8, 2019 [10 favorites]


Also:
- more Amazons! And women! (One of my big problems with the first is I can't shake that smurfette feeling)

- I see a wall being blown up, which reminds me, if 1980s pop culture spent a bit of film playing with the Trump imagery as villainous, well, everything's old is new again etc etc

- the bit at the end is a stucky au fic, don't @ me
posted by cendawanita at 6:09 PM on December 8, 2019 [4 favorites]


chris pine already owned those pleated pants and that fanny pack and no one can tell me otherwise
posted by poffin boffin at 6:16 PM on December 8, 2019 [34 favorites]


I don't have anything clever to say, I just want to register my wish to see this movie.
posted by dinty_moore at 6:22 PM on December 8, 2019 [9 favorites]


With Pedro Pascal portraying him I look forward to a nicely balanced camp to danger ratio.

....Hang on, that's not Nathan Fillion?
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 6:25 PM on December 8, 2019 [7 favorites]


chris pine already owned those pleated pants and that fanny pack and no one can tell me otherwise

Not gonna lie- I don’t really date dudes anymore but Pine... would really really test my resolve...
posted by Homo neanderthalensis at 6:27 PM on December 8, 2019 [4 favorites]


ngl they had me at new order
posted by GCU Sweet and Full of Grace at 6:56 PM on December 8, 2019 [25 favorites]


I'm very much over superhero movies (the Black Widow trailer left me cold) but I'm apparently fully on board for this. I saw the first one but missed the other 82 so I hope I can follow along.

The fight scenes look... okay. Wonder Woman had some pretty good fight scenes, and these look about as good. The first movie sung when it focused on what the conflict meant for people, and it did fish-out-of-water extremely well, so I'm hoping that both are bigger focuses of the sequel. (I'm sceptical about the later: the reason the first film did fish-out-of-water so well is that it hit a unique tone of 'low key offended but mostly bemused' whereas we've seen a lot of 'manly guys have to learn about art'. 'Manly guy has to learn about feminist critical theory' played entirely as a fish-out-of-water sequence would be an interesting variation, though, and one the text would support.)
posted by Merus at 7:22 PM on December 8, 2019 [1 favorite]


So wait, I'm not complaining, but isn't Chris Pine's character supposed to be dead? Like, in Justice League she was all "I walked away from the world of men because I was sad blah blah blah." So was she just lying to Batman? I mean sure, I can see why she'd do that, but what's going on? Do we have to wait for the movie to know or is there a comic or something I missed?
posted by Wretch729 at 7:24 PM on December 8, 2019 [1 favorite]


This looks rad as hell, and Max's presence puts me one step closer to the live-action Blue Beetle and Booster Gold movie my heart yearns for.
posted by nonasuch at 7:26 PM on December 8, 2019 [8 favorites]


That is indeed a smooth shaven, blonde Pedro Pascal who is going to chew the scenery. Hopefully he won't turn out to be Ares. Because death in the DCEU is permanent?
posted by Ignorantsavage at 7:28 PM on December 8, 2019 [1 favorite]


They just blooped over WWII? C'mon, fighting Nazis is Wonder Woman's thing. Plus some light bondage.
posted by zompist at 7:34 PM on December 8, 2019 [9 favorites]


It's obvious from the trailer that Steve somehow ends up in the 1980s from...elsewhen...so much so that I'm puzzled as to why so many people seem to be puzzled about it.
posted by praemunire at 7:49 PM on December 8, 2019 [5 favorites]


Steve’s appearance would have been a fun surprise. Thanks trailer!
posted by mecran01 at 7:52 PM on December 8, 2019


I just wanna see more ass-kicking from Wonder Woman. I thought the first flick was alright, but I just all-around wanted more ass-kicking.
posted by SoberHighland at 8:00 PM on December 8, 2019


Giving "Blue Monday" the full orchestral treatment was an inspired choice.
posted by vverse23 at 8:13 PM on December 8, 2019 [18 favorites]


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posted by alex_skazat at 8:14 PM on December 8, 2019


Every New Order fan knows Blue Monday was released in *1983*, not 1984. How am I supposed to enjoy a superhero fantasy movie if it contains such a glaring discographical inaccuracy?!?!
posted by shortfuse at 8:30 PM on December 8, 2019 [16 favorites]


ok- thirst comment aside, now that i'm home and I've seen the trailer. MOTHER FUCKING ALEX ROSS GOLD EAGLE MOTHER FUCKING ARMOR HELL FUCKING YEAH *Guitar solo*
posted by Homo neanderthalensis at 8:32 PM on December 8, 2019 [10 favorites]


I'm here for all of this. ❤️❤️❤️❤️
posted by Fizz at 8:39 PM on December 8, 2019 [1 favorite]


I don't know what kind of New Order fan thinks Blue Monday wasn't still kicking ass and taking names a year after its release.
posted by axiom at 9:53 PM on December 8, 2019 [38 favorites]


I literally gasped and smiled on the reveal, because I was not expecting to see Chris Pine after his sacrifice in the first movie. Then again, I remember thinking they never actually showed his bodily death, which in fantasy films is often a big tell.
posted by polymodus at 9:54 PM on December 8, 2019


EmpressCallipygos, I too thought that was Nathan Fillion in the closeup.

I am assuming that there will be a series of WW movies, each of which will bring Steve Trevor back and then kill him in increasingly improbable and hilarious ways. This one will be a crossover with the fourth Star Trek AOS movie, which, instead of the crew going back to the 1980s to pick up whales like the fourth TOS movie, they will go back to the 1980s to deposit Steve Trevor...who, coincidentally, just happens to be Jim Kirk's identical twin, and have the initials of Star Trek /conspiracy theory

(PS: Don't blame the trailer for spoiling the Steve Trevor reveal. That's been out for many moons.)

Every New Order fan knows Blue Monday was released in *1983*, not 1984. Professional dramaturg here who was born with 13 whole days left in 1984: I'll allow people listening to a song released the year prior. At least it wasn't released in 1985.
posted by ilana at 9:55 PM on December 8, 2019 [16 favorites]


That is a brilliant choice and use of music!
posted by Coaticass at 9:55 PM on December 8, 2019 [1 favorite]


Every New Order fan knows Blue Monday was released in *1983*, not 1984. How am I supposed to enjoy a superhero fantasy movie if it contains such a glaring discographical inaccuracy?!?!

Fun fact: due to various global tax restrictions on musicians, Blue Monday was the only new music released in the 1980s, worldwide. As it had been recorded on the Isle of Man on the last day of December 1979 but having had wide release via bootlegs in the early years of the 1980s before the larger crackdown of the music tax authorities, Blue Monday is generally considered to be the only song commercially available in the 1980s.

Thankfully, recording artist Sinead O'Connor rebelliously released her cover of Nothing Compares 2 U (originally written by The Family in the mid-'80s in the midst of the music lock-out, and covertly passed to O'Connor by collaborator Prince) in January of 1990. While O'Connor weathered a firestorm of controversy for having had released new music in her performances (including on Saturday Night Live), the dam broke, resulting in a wellspring of new music since that time.

However, since that point, there is literally no other song available to film producers who wish to create a period piece taking place in the 1980s other than Blue Monday. This helps explain why it is so ubiquitous to this day. There is simply no other music that can be used.
posted by I EAT TAPAS at 10:00 PM on December 8, 2019 [25 favorites]


isn't Chris Pine's character supposed to be dead?

My impression from the trailer is that the villain has come into some kind of mystical object that enables him grant people's wishes (and so Diana wished for the return of Chris Pine) for which in return he gets wish, which is something Very Bad. I could be totally off -- trailers are tricky at best, and I'm not particularly bright.
posted by xigxag at 10:56 PM on December 8, 2019 [4 favorites]


humana humana
posted by kirkaracha at 10:59 PM on December 8, 2019 [1 favorite]


It occurs to me that next year I will be the same age as my parents were when Forrest Gump came out, and that the 80s references in this trailer, or Stranger Things or The Americans is meant to play the same kind of nostaliga for my generation. That being noted, not making the poster an homage to the work of Patrick Nagel was a real missed opportunity.
posted by St. Oops at 11:36 PM on December 8, 2019 [8 favorites]


Isn't Chris Pine's character...dead?

It's a comics-based property, so there are plenty of ways he could return: time travel, parallel universes, magic, and human cloning are, last time I checked, all established as being part of both the DC and Marvel universes. Both universes also have shape-shifters and androids that can mimic people, but those possibilities seem less likely here.

Other than that, all I have to say is that I like this version of Wonder Woman, enjoyed the first movie, and am looking forward to seeing what they've come up with for this one.
posted by Nat "King" Cole Porter Wagoner at 11:51 PM on December 8, 2019 [1 favorite]


Not quite true, I EAT TAPAS: you are forgetting that "Take On Me" came out of US-Soviet nuclear arms talks - it started out as a Kazakh folk chant performed for the NATO negotiating team, which included in its Norwegian contingent the uncle of Morten Harket of A-Ha - and due to its international importance and quasi-Communist IP was also exempted from the general suppression of new music in the 1980s. It also features heavily in depictions of the period.
posted by alasdair at 12:38 AM on December 9, 2019 [17 favorites]


Now I’m looking forward to the trailer for 2022’s Wonder Woman 1987, which will feature two resurrected Chris Pine’s and be soundtracked by Bizarre Love Triangle.
posted by shortfuse at 12:52 AM on December 9, 2019 [12 favorites]


did not expect to spend the day to challenge my comprehension of both the english language and also satire. well-played. i need the tumblr aesthetic to prepare me for such things!
posted by cendawanita at 1:14 AM on December 9, 2019 [1 favorite]


So, we're all so jaded about superhero movies now that no one is even gonna mention Wonder Woman appears to lasso lightning, like she's Pecos Bill's cooler sister? Man, tough crowd.

I'm cautiously pleased by the teaser poster and trailer for having the hint of being something that doesn't feel like its just another product roll out from superhero movie HQ, but might actually have, like, a directorial point of view to it in look and maybe storyline. That'd be good timing for them if it did since it seems like there's serious burnout on the standard model happening.

And, dammit, I just saw Pedro Pascal in the movie Prospect where I swore he was channeling Nathan Fillion from Firefly and now this? Does Nathan Fillion really exist or it just another name Pascal uses to get extra work? (That Pascal chose to join this cast after also being in the ill-fated 2011 Adrianne Palicki Wonder Woman pilot is a testament to either his love of the character or the money.)
posted by gusottertrout at 1:54 AM on December 9, 2019 [3 favorites]


And no mention of Kristen Wiig playing Cheetah either? Jeez, what's happened to this place?
posted by gusottertrout at 2:00 AM on December 9, 2019 [8 favorites]


> "I saw the first one but missed the other 82 so I hope I can follow along."

I assume by the "first one" you mean WW XVIII, which like Star Wars was indeed produced first out of sequential order. And I've heard that's the only one you really need to see to understand this movie.

However, several of the others really are worth watching if you've missed them. The "WW WWII" sequence (WW XXXIX, XXXX, XXXXI, XXXXII, XXXXIII, XXXXIV, and XXXXV) are great. If you'd like to see another take on The Cheetah as a character, WW LXXX isn't a great movie but does feature the Deborah Domaine version of the character (you will, of course, see the Priscilla Rich Cheetah in XXXXIII). Of course, many people think the high watermark of the WWCU are still LXXV to LXXIX, and some parts of this movie are clearly in homage to those, so it might be worth seeing them to pick up all the Easter Eggs.

There's also that weird unnumbered metacommentary AU one set in a dystopia where there were seven Spider-Man movies before the first Wonder Woman movie, but I'm not sure I'd recommend it.
posted by kyrademon at 2:32 AM on December 9, 2019 [7 favorites]


So, we're all so jaded about superhero movies now that no one is even gonna mention Wonder Woman appears to lasso lightning,

This was actually at the top of this list of the four things I remembered from watching the trailer:

(1) LIGHT LASSO LASSOING LIGHTING
(2) Oh hey Steve not dead yep
(3) Was that Nathan Fillon or not?
(4) Blue Monday! Especially the part where it gets a treatment that's a cross between Hans Zimmer and the climax of Depeche Mode's "Never Let Me Down."

This looks like great fun.
posted by wildblueyonder at 2:53 AM on December 9, 2019 [3 favorites]


Wasn’t Metallica’s ‘Ride the Lightening’ also released in 1984?
posted by The River Ivel at 3:23 AM on December 9, 2019 [4 favorites]


Wait! Why did it look like her costume had high heels? I thought we had a deal: woman director = no Wonder Woman fighting in high heels.
posted by medusa at 4:11 AM on December 9, 2019 [1 favorite]


So, we're all so jaded about superhero movies now that no one is even gonna mention Wonder Woman appears to lasso lightning, like she's Pecos Bill's cooler sister?

What you call jaded I call open to goofy fun. IT'S THE '80s.


Wait! Why did it look like her costume had high heels? I thought we had a deal: woman director = no Wonder Woman fighting in high heels.


The woman director specifically wanted WW wearing high heels in the first movie:
“It’s total wish-fulfillment,” she says, adding that the warriors have flats for heavy fighting. “I, as a woman, want Wonder Woman to be hot as hell, fight badass, and look great at the same time — the same way men want Superman to have huge pecs and an impractically big body. That makes them feel like the hero they want to be. And my hero, in my head, has really long legs.”
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 4:29 AM on December 9, 2019 [4 favorites]


Wait! Why did it look like her costume had high heels? I thought we had a deal: woman director = no Wonder Woman fighting in high heels.

Explanation from the director of the first movie.

Summary: woman director wants her superhero to be both strong and sexy, like Superman is.
posted by AzraelBrown at 4:31 AM on December 9, 2019 [2 favorites]


Wait! Why did it look like her costume had high heels? I thought we had a deal: woman director = no Wonder Woman fighting in high heels.

To be fair, those are WWedges.
posted by Mchelly at 4:52 AM on December 9, 2019 [23 favorites]


That shot of the mall is very Stranger Things Season 3, and this is not a complaint. Just something I've noticed. Leaning into this part of the 80s brings back so many god damn memories.
posted by Fizz at 4:57 AM on December 9, 2019 [2 favorites]


Looks fun although I loved the WII setting of the first one. I hope that Jenkins and her screenwriters have figured out a good third act for this one. I loved the first two thirds of Wonder Woman and then was sad that the last 45 minutes were just another smeary CGI punch-fest. To be fair, I have the some problem with 3/4 of superhero movies but I had hoped that WW would escape that.
posted by octothorpe at 5:15 AM on December 9, 2019 [1 favorite]


Wow, looks very different than I expected -- I thought it was going to be more grim, and all about the Soviets and the Cold War. I have no idea who Maxwell Lord is, or why she has a golden suit, but i am SO THERE FOR ALL OF THIS.

Wonder Woman's Golden Eagle Armor got its start in the comic miniseries Kingdom Come, but the armor was popular enough it has made other appearances in comics since. Here's a nice big image of it.
posted by Fleebnork at 5:24 AM on December 9, 2019 [4 favorites]


@I EAT TAPAS: I believe Annie Lennox would like to meet you behind the dumpster at 3pm to demonstrate how Sweet Dreams Are Made Of Suffering. Brace youself, Here Comes The Pain Again.
posted by drivingmenuts at 5:28 AM on December 9, 2019 [5 favorites]


dang this looks rad
posted by lazaruslong at 5:53 AM on December 9, 2019 [1 favorite]


They just blooped over WWII?

The first Captain America movie is a pretty high bar to beat. Besides, even Austin Powers didn't do the 80s. For WW, for obvious reasons, that's an iconic period.
posted by bonehead at 6:20 AM on December 9, 2019 [2 favorites]


I kept reading "Nathan Fillion" in all your comments but thinking "Nathan Lane" and I got even more confused.
posted by moonmilk at 6:38 AM on December 9, 2019 [3 favorites]


So, we're all so jaded about superhero movies now that no one is even gonna mention Wonder Woman appears to lasso lightning, like she's Pecos Bill's cooler sister?

I assumed that entire shot was a very cool, and very knowing call-out to what was certainly the most important DC Comic of the period. But I'm probably just a giant nerd.
posted by The Bellman at 6:45 AM on December 9, 2019 [2 favorites]


I assumed that entire shot was a very cool, and very knowing call-out to what was certainly the most important DC Comic of the period. But I'm probably just a giant nerd.

Yeah, that's the image that flashed through my mind as well, but the idea of riding the lightning by lasso was definitely not expected.

I see a wall being blown up, which reminds me, if 1980s pop culture spent a bit of film playing with the Trump imagery as villainous, well, everything's old is new again etc etc

I get the feeling that might well be an underlying subtext here, Lord as a quasi-Trumpian figure, which will make what I assume will be a very bad end for the fellow all the more enjoyable.
posted by gusottertrout at 6:56 AM on December 9, 2019 [4 favorites]


There's a lot of good stuff in this trailer but my favorite bit is WW leaping off the flipping truck with a huge grin on her face.

Big Charlie's Angels (2000) energy.

I see a wall being blown up, which reminds me, if 1980s pop culture spent a bit of film playing with the Trump imagery as villainous

I'm super curious if that wall exploding is supposed to read as triumphant or menacing.
posted by Reyturner at 7:52 AM on December 9, 2019 [4 favorites]


-50 points for the cheap shot at the Hirshhorn at the end
posted by COBRA! at 8:01 AM on December 9, 2019 [3 favorites]


That is indeed a smooth shaven, blonde Pedro Pascal who is going to chew the scenery

I know this is an entire non sequitur, but every time I see the phrase 'chew the scenery', I think of a moment in Forbidden Broadway when the actors satirically actually chew the scenery – and so this actually made me think of Pedro Pascal actually going 'scenery! *gnaw gnaw gnaw*'.

I know, I'm weird.
posted by WCityMike at 8:09 AM on December 9, 2019 [1 favorite]


I’m a big fan of the emasculation metaphor of her crushing the guns
posted by Jon_Evil at 8:54 AM on December 9, 2019


Of all the bits of DC Comics history I thought might make it to the movies, the 1970s "Steve Trevor dies and returns to life repeatedly" bit was definitely not one of them.
posted by MatthewJohnson at 9:45 AM on December 9, 2019 [3 favorites]


Looks like the stunt team did a very thorough job of developing a lasso and bracelets fighting style, and I can't wait to see more of it. Also all-in for as many tiara-rang throws as they feel like including. One of the most thrilling parts of the last movie for me was how swift and powerful Diana's LEAPS were. Looks like I wasn't the only one.

As mentioned above, Max Lord was introduced in the 80s as a kinda-funny, super rich dirtbag, who would go on to become something much more sinister and vile. Down here and Earth-Prime, there's a pretty obvious real world equivalent to that arc, and I suspect the hairstyle that Pascal is sporting here is no accident. It will be good to see Wonder Woman bring him down. Please Hera, let it be a prophecy.
posted by EatTheWeak at 10:18 AM on December 9, 2019 [4 favorites]


-50 points for the cheap shot at the Hirshhorn at the end
See, I was originally disappointed at that stinger / afterjoke; that's where you put something either very funny or meaningful, and it was kinda limp.
But then I thought that maybe it's actually a very clever preemptive statement, heading off critics of the superhero genre, fanboys demanding High Seriousness, etc.
"It's ALL art, Steve."
"But this...is just a trash can."
posted by bartleby at 10:53 AM on December 9, 2019 [4 favorites]


*POSSIBLE SPOILER ALERT*

Here is my theory about Steve Trevor being back: he's not. Maxwell Lord's super-power is mind control, including the ability to delude other people's perceptions. Lord is using his powers to make Diana see Steve Trevor, when it's really Maxwell Lord.

And I dig the idea of Diana and Cheetah being frenemies. Maybe Barbara initially seems to be the new Etta Candy, only to get a heel turn from the Cheetah goddess. A real 'frustrated ally turns villain' arc.
posted by LeRoienJaune at 11:07 AM on December 9, 2019 [2 favorites]


LeRoienJaune - I think you're onto something there, yes. I suspect that the selection of Blue Monday for the trailer music wasn't just on account of it being a jam. Max was all about telling people how they should feel.
posted by EatTheWeak at 11:28 AM on December 9, 2019 [1 favorite]


There's a lot of good stuff in this trailer but my favorite bit is WW leaping off the flipping truck with a huge grin on her face.
...
One of the most thrilling parts of the last movie for me was how swift and powerful Diana's LEAPS were.


Some of my favorite little metastories are about how careful superheroes have to be. Superman has to keep from throwing his bedsheets into orbit every morning as he wakes up. So I love these little winks at how sheerly enjoyable it must be for her to just do things at full speed and strength.
posted by Etrigan at 12:13 PM on December 9, 2019 [2 favorites]


I kept reading "Nathan Fillion" in all your comments but thinking "Nathan Lane" and I got even more confused.

I would watch Nathan Lane in a Wonder Woman film, yes.
posted by spinifex23 at 12:13 PM on December 9, 2019 [1 favorite]


I would watch Nathan Lane in a Wonder Woman film, yes.

As Eddie Candy please, great great great grandson of Etta Candy. Or, failing that, Hades.
posted by EatTheWeak at 12:50 PM on December 9, 2019 [2 favorites]


Does nobody remember what happened with Steve in the Lynda Carter WW TV show? The first season was set in WW2 and Steve helped Wonder Woman fight Nazis. The 2nd and 3rd seasons were set in the 1970s and Wonder Woman fought evil (often still Nazis) with Steve Trevor Jr., the son of the Steve Trevor she new in the 1940s. Both characters were played by Lyle Waggoner. They just had a moment where Wonder Woman says, "Wow, he looks just like his dad..." and went with it.

I thought sure they were going to go with something like that for the movies too. Give Steve a nephew or something...

I don't think their romance on the TV show was ever much more than being friends and obviously attracted to each other (with a bit of the Superman/Lois-trope of Steve seeing Diana as a mere co-worker while being smitten for Wonder Woman). So it wasn't quite as weird as Diana dating her former lover's son. But it would make sense for immortal Amazons to have different attitudes about consorting with short-lived mortals.
posted by straight at 3:39 PM on December 9, 2019 [2 favorites]


I always hate when the sequel of a movie (and it's almost every movie, dammit), the female love interest is jettisoned completely so Hero-Guy can have a new hottie, regardless of how great the female character was in the first movie. I really want that to stop. But until it does, now we get a kickass woman superhero sequel and she gets the old love interest back? I feel cheated.
posted by Mchelly at 3:53 PM on December 9, 2019


In the comics, Maxwell Lord is associated with an uberGrimDark period of stories at DC.

Maxwell Lord developed a way to mind-control Superman and sent him to kill the people he loved. Wonder Woman barely managed to stop Superman and temporarily break Lord's hold. But Lord taunted her about how he still had a back door into Superman's mind, that it was only a matter of time before he would use Superman to kill her and everyone Superman cared about.

So for Superman's sake, Wonder Woman killed Lord by brutally breaking his neck.

But it was a trick. Lord caught the whole thing on cameras and also somehow faked his death, but used the image of Diana killing him for anti-superhero propaganda. So for (it seemed like) years, DC kept reprinting that image of Diana breaking a dude's neck over and over as it was broadcast over and over on TV and everyone fretted about it and it was supposed to be this huge shame hanging over Diana's head and driving a wedge between her and heroes like Superman and Batman who draw a hard line in the sand against killing people.

And it was part of this effort to distinguish Diana from Superman as one of those "cool" Wolverine-type characters willing to kill people the story thinks need killing. So rather than focus on Diana as a peacemaker, she was the member of the Justice League who was grim enough to kill people.

So, yuck. Maxwell Lord has been a good villain in some stories, but I have nothing but gross associations with him and Wonder Woman.
posted by straight at 3:54 PM on December 9, 2019 [1 favorite]


You need to read the original Giffen/DeMatteis JL books, for the real Max Lord.
posted by Guy Smiley at 8:07 PM on December 9, 2019 [8 favorites]


You need to read the original Giffen/DeMatteis JL books, for the real Max Lord.

and the realest batman
(one punch!)
posted by entropicamericana at 6:33 AM on December 10, 2019 [8 favorites]


This Guy tries to stay away from Batman.
posted by Guy Smiley at 12:56 PM on December 10, 2019 [4 favorites]


For those who want to drop that bombastic Blue Monday on themselves, it's on YouTube in short and long versions.
posted by wildblueyonder at 10:31 PM on December 15, 2019


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