SleazeWagon rolls on . . . Big media look elsewhere
July 18, 2002 6:06 AM Subscribe
SleazeWagon rolls on . . . Big media look elsewhere
DNC chairman McAuliffe's shady business past . . . Democrat Corzine tied to stock scheme . . . Democrat Gephardt received unsecured loan from McAuliffe's bank . . . Big business major source of Democratic leader Daschle's family income; Wife, Linda, is premier Washington lobbyist
DNC chairman McAuliffe's shady business past . . . Democrat Corzine tied to stock scheme . . . Democrat Gephardt received unsecured loan from McAuliffe's bank . . . Big business major source of Democratic leader Daschle's family income; Wife, Linda, is premier Washington lobbyist
I always wondered how that stock market magic worked.... I guess there's nothing magical about it after all.
Great post, and a nice balance to the CEO White House thread right below it.
posted by insomnyuk at 6:56 AM on July 18, 2002
Great post, and a nice balance to the CEO White House thread right below it.
posted by insomnyuk at 6:56 AM on July 18, 2002
I just love your sources...Faux...the Moonie Times...National Review...Rupert's Post...not to mention "I never check sources" Drudge.. all bastions of honest reporting of the highest integrity. Couldn't find anything from a better source, like maybe the National Enquirer or Limbaugh or Weakly World News to back up your slant? Surely there was something at rightwingnuts.com!
Thanks for the links dude! :)
I hope these folks didn't cause thousands and thousands to become unemployed and millions to lose their retirement investments. Then I might start to worry that it was all Clinton's fault!
posted by nofundy at 7:02 AM on July 18, 2002
Thanks for the links dude! :)
I hope these folks didn't cause thousands and thousands to become unemployed and millions to lose their retirement investments. Then I might start to worry that it was all Clinton's fault!
posted by nofundy at 7:02 AM on July 18, 2002
Most of this stuff from bitching conservative sources, as has been pointed out, but the main thing to note: there are things which are legal though perhaps ought not to be so (lobby money etc) and then there are things that are deemed illegal. The sistinction might be worth preserving. And in the process ask ourseoves what truly ought to be made illegal for the good of the country.
posted by Postroad at 7:11 AM on July 18, 2002
posted by Postroad at 7:11 AM on July 18, 2002
newsflash: politicians of all stripes are utter hypocrites beholden to big business. next up: water found to be wet.
posted by zoopraxiscope at 7:15 AM on July 18, 2002
posted by zoopraxiscope at 7:15 AM on July 18, 2002
nofundy: in previous posts, you have linked to the NYTimes, MSNBC, and the Washington Post, all "big corporations." Sometimes you link to left-leaning publications (the above publications I listed can go either way). Discounting the news article merely based on who owns it, rather than on the merits of the story, is an easy way to dodge the issue: the Democrats are just as culpable as everyone else in this game.
posted by insomnyuk at 7:16 AM on July 18, 2002
posted by insomnyuk at 7:16 AM on July 18, 2002
nobody_knose, I have issue with the "big media looks elsewhere" accusation.
There have been tons of negative articles about Corzine and McAuliffe, particularly when Corzine was running for Senate and when McAuliffe was tapped to head the DNC. So for you to insinuate that media isn't paying attention to Democrats that have shady pasts is ridiculous -- it's just no longer a timely issue. (If Corzine was out there calling for heads, then I would expect something in major media outlets.)
And about Gephardt and Daschle -- can you find links (that work) to actual news sources that attribute the source of their information? I really don't see how a lobbyist wife is somehow illegal or unethical, though.
This lame attempt to ward off investigations into the possibly illegal, certainly unethical business practices of our White House inhabitants is pathetic -- Cheney and Bush caused investors to lose tons of money and faith, and their aid to Enron caused thousands of workers to lose their retirement investments.
posted by jennak at 7:23 AM on July 18, 2002
There have been tons of negative articles about Corzine and McAuliffe, particularly when Corzine was running for Senate and when McAuliffe was tapped to head the DNC. So for you to insinuate that media isn't paying attention to Democrats that have shady pasts is ridiculous -- it's just no longer a timely issue. (If Corzine was out there calling for heads, then I would expect something in major media outlets.)
And about Gephardt and Daschle -- can you find links (that work) to actual news sources that attribute the source of their information? I really don't see how a lobbyist wife is somehow illegal or unethical, though.
This lame attempt to ward off investigations into the possibly illegal, certainly unethical business practices of our White House inhabitants is pathetic -- Cheney and Bush caused investors to lose tons of money and faith, and their aid to Enron caused thousands of workers to lose their retirement investments.
posted by jennak at 7:23 AM on July 18, 2002
I definitely agree with zoopraxiscope on this one, but there are two reasons why the Republicans are getting so much scandal media coverage (as the democrats did 2-10 years ago).
1) They are in control, and people are more interested in the party who is currently in control of the government.
2) They pride themselves on their "morality", and it certainly is interesting to see a white house that said it would "avoid even the appearance of impropriety" demonstrate quite a bit of impropriety
posted by statusquo at 7:23 AM on July 18, 2002
1) They are in control, and people are more interested in the party who is currently in control of the government.
2) They pride themselves on their "morality", and it certainly is interesting to see a white house that said it would "avoid even the appearance of impropriety" demonstrate quite a bit of impropriety
posted by statusquo at 7:23 AM on July 18, 2002
When the pot calls the kettle black the pot is not wrong. No matter how much the kettle wants people to believe the pot is.
Of course the republicrats and democans are both pots and kettles at the same time and none of this hypocrite identifying hypocrisy does a thing to solve the actual problem.
posted by srboisvert at 7:25 AM on July 18, 2002
Of course the republicrats and democans are both pots and kettles at the same time and none of this hypocrite identifying hypocrisy does a thing to solve the actual problem.
posted by srboisvert at 7:25 AM on July 18, 2002
They ought to change the party names to "Demoblican" and "Repucrats". Pretty much the same policy initiatives (in practical terms, not speeches), either way business runs the country, and the politicians themselves are taken largely from the same cesspool of money-mad easily-corrupted types.
And they tell you that voting for a third party is "wasting your vote"... it seems to be that the opposite is true. You really are only wasting your vote by voting for either of the 'big two'.
posted by clevershark at 7:34 AM on July 18, 2002
And they tell you that voting for a third party is "wasting your vote"... it seems to be that the opposite is true. You really are only wasting your vote by voting for either of the 'big two'.
posted by clevershark at 7:34 AM on July 18, 2002
The Corzine headline exagerates the content that follows it.
Me personally, I'm just really enjoying the GOP crying "political motive" every time the dems challenge Bush on his scandalaous business dealings. Whitewater indeed.
But in the end, regardless of the political party, this gov't is hopelessly fucked until they take the profit motive out holding political office.
What this country needs is a constitutional seperation of corp. and state. (fat chance though)
posted by BentPenguin at 7:36 AM on July 18, 2002
Me personally, I'm just really enjoying the GOP crying "political motive" every time the dems challenge Bush on his scandalaous business dealings. Whitewater indeed.
But in the end, regardless of the political party, this gov't is hopelessly fucked until they take the profit motive out holding political office.
What this country needs is a constitutional seperation of corp. and state. (fat chance though)
posted by BentPenguin at 7:36 AM on July 18, 2002
Hey look at that: Crooks abound. There was a whiny editorial called Two-Edged Weapon (offline now) by Michael Kelly about McAuliffe in the Washington Post yesterday. Is that big media, Ms Coulter?
McAuliffe certainly does seem shady. No one is going to be surprised that there are also crooked democrats, but there's going to have to be better examples than this. The Corzine thing might flesh out, but I doubt it.
posted by mblandi at 7:40 AM on July 18, 2002
McAuliffe certainly does seem shady. No one is going to be surprised that there are also crooked democrats, but there's going to have to be better examples than this. The Corzine thing might flesh out, but I doubt it.
posted by mblandi at 7:40 AM on July 18, 2002
i too wonder about the constant calls of "playing politics", BentPenguin....it seems to me to be somewhat disingenuous to continue to make that claim, since when you accuse the other side of playing politics what you're doing is in and of itself playing politics.
posted by zoopraxiscope at 7:49 AM on July 18, 2002
posted by zoopraxiscope at 7:49 AM on July 18, 2002
Should McAuliffe's business dealings come to light? Certainly. Ditto for Gephardt, Daschle and any other politician left or right. Call me crazy, but I think the media is going to report on the shenanigans of the leader of the free world moreso than others. And they haven't done that with tenacity of any sort. Compare and contrast Clinton's coverage to Bush and you'll see that Dubya is still in softball land.
posted by owillis at 7:53 AM on July 18, 2002
posted by owillis at 7:53 AM on July 18, 2002
it seems to me to be somewhat disingenuous to continue to make that claim
It seems disingenuous, but only before you think about how the GOP played that type of game with Clinton...Forget Whitewater. Insteread, remember Vince Foster's suicide and the conspiracies they hyped for years afterwards... tripe not even worthy of the Enquirer, more on the level of the Midnight Weekly News.
Makes calling it all disingenuous a big understatement. More importantly, it makes the GOP look very worried and desperate.
"Batboy having affair with Hillary"
posted by BentPenguin at 8:03 AM on July 18, 2002
It seems disingenuous, but only before you think about how the GOP played that type of game with Clinton...Forget Whitewater. Insteread, remember Vince Foster's suicide and the conspiracies they hyped for years afterwards... tripe not even worthy of the Enquirer, more on the level of the Midnight Weekly News.
Makes calling it all disingenuous a big understatement. More importantly, it makes the GOP look very worried and desperate.
"Batboy having affair with Hillary"
posted by BentPenguin at 8:03 AM on July 18, 2002
Should McAuliffe's business dealings come to light? Certainly. Ditto for Gephardt, Daschle and any other politician left or right
It'd take 20 years to investigate and prosecute them all. And meanwhile, a new crop of politicians would be doing more of the same. It never ends.
Screw the pols and focus on the system. All these dirty dealings flow from one polluted source: the private financing of public elections.
posted by BentPenguin at 8:06 AM on July 18, 2002
It'd take 20 years to investigate and prosecute them all. And meanwhile, a new crop of politicians would be doing more of the same. It never ends.
Screw the pols and focus on the system. All these dirty dealings flow from one polluted source: the private financing of public elections.
posted by BentPenguin at 8:06 AM on July 18, 2002
clevershark:
They ought to change the party names to "Demoblican" and "Repucrats". Pretty much the same policy initiatives (in practical terms, not speeches), either way business runs the country, and the politicians themselves are taken largely from the same cesspool of money-mad easily-corrupted types.
i see. spending money giving people tax rebates versus paying off our national debt, that also had nothing to do with either political party, right? the differences in the administration's stance on drilling oil from national preserves -- that's just smoke and mirrors, right? clearly, drilling for oil is pro-oil business, so why wouldn't the democrats be on board? are they receiving money for the filthy rich anti-oil businesses out there?
i can understand why people in minority political parties would want to pick at either democrats or republicans: they're competition. but i have never understood why some of those same people also pretend that there's no difference between either majority party.
posted by moz at 8:21 AM on July 18, 2002
They ought to change the party names to "Demoblican" and "Repucrats". Pretty much the same policy initiatives (in practical terms, not speeches), either way business runs the country, and the politicians themselves are taken largely from the same cesspool of money-mad easily-corrupted types.
i see. spending money giving people tax rebates versus paying off our national debt, that also had nothing to do with either political party, right? the differences in the administration's stance on drilling oil from national preserves -- that's just smoke and mirrors, right? clearly, drilling for oil is pro-oil business, so why wouldn't the democrats be on board? are they receiving money for the filthy rich anti-oil businesses out there?
i can understand why people in minority political parties would want to pick at either democrats or republicans: they're competition. but i have never understood why some of those same people also pretend that there's no difference between either majority party.
posted by moz at 8:21 AM on July 18, 2002
Are there really people here who believe there is some difference between Democrats and Republicans? ::yawn::
posted by Mack Twain at 9:58 AM on July 18, 2002
posted by Mack Twain at 9:58 AM on July 18, 2002
Are there really people here who believe there is some difference between Democrats and Republicans?
Yes.
posted by nofundy at 11:15 AM on July 18, 2002
Yes.
posted by nofundy at 11:15 AM on July 18, 2002
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I remember Fox doing a report on McAuliffe's dealings when he was going after Bush for Enron. Sounds like McAuliffe has some of Hillary's luck. Turns $100 into over $5 million.
posted by the_0ne at 6:40 AM on July 18, 2002