Spotted In NYC This Week
March 29, 2020 2:31 PM   Subscribe

Times Square Icon Spotted Nude ---Field Hospitals In Central Park and Javitz---Soon to Come: The USNS Comfort

NOT spotted in NYC:

Two Executives of Mount Sinai, the hospital system in which nurses wear garbage bags and a nurse manager recently died of Covid

Enough medical equipment for more than a week from now, or a prescient Mayor

Adequate paramedic coverage [NYT]

An equitable or fair distribution of the suffering associated with COVID-19 (compare with NYC's income map)

Famous Blogger Naomi Davis of Love Taza, who decamped to Utah in an RV
posted by internet fraud detective squad, station number 9 (34 comments total) 11 users marked this as a favorite
 
Also -- NYTimes - Those We Lost (ongoing obituaries).

I hate this.
posted by Mchelly at 2:44 PM on March 29 [9 favorites]


Thanks, Mchelly. A sad time to be a NYer.
posted by internet fraud detective squad, station number 9 at 2:47 PM on March 29 [1 favorite]


Wonder if there's any legal authority or compelling economic argument for NYC to seize some cruise ships for homeless shelters and/or field hospitals?
posted by BrotherCaine at 3:00 PM on March 29 [1 favorite]


Those ships don’t sail under an American flag, so there is no legal authority, probably even at the Federal level. Although I guess with enough dudes with guns the NYPD could resort to piracy.
posted by sideshow at 3:07 PM on March 29 [6 favorites]


in that reddit link, a meme:

"Suddenly the whole nation is depending on the very people they don't believe should make $15 an hour."
posted by pyramid termite at 3:11 PM on March 29 [43 favorites]


Two Executives of Mount Sinai, the hospital system in which nurses wear garbage bags and a nurse manager recently died of Covid

Over in America's other hotspot, we're firing doctors who want PPE.
posted by They sucked his brains out! at 3:18 PM on March 29 [8 favorites]


How fast are the cruise companies going bankrupt? Would they like to cash out?
posted by clew at 3:22 PM on March 29




I think they’d rather just write off the US based customer base instead. Lots of other countries out there with actual health care infrastructure. Better to just focus on those customers instead.
posted by sideshow at 3:29 PM on March 29


Hard times for the Naked Cowboy.
posted by Capt. Renault at 3:34 PM on March 29 [5 favorites]


I'm pretty fucking proud of our fucking Governor, tho. Fuck.
posted by The Underpants Monster at 4:15 PM on March 29 [5 favorites]


It, uh, doesn't seem like cruise ships have the proper sanitation and ventilation facilities to be suitable as hospitals?
posted by eviemath at 4:58 PM on March 29 [6 favorites]


Two things I've been hearing a lot more of here in NYC lately.. sirens and birds. I prefer the latter.
posted by Liquidwolf at 5:11 PM on March 29 [6 favorites]


Naked Cowboy is a Trump supporter. Not really feeling the sympathy here.
posted by JoeZydeco at 5:15 PM on March 29 [7 favorites]


Two things I've been hearing a lot more of here in NYC lately.. sirens and birds. I prefer the latter.

Ditto although the birds in my neighborhood were having some kind of prolonged territory/mating squabble and it was the bird equivalent of NYC cabbies honking at each other...definitely not cute Disney birdsong, lol
posted by internet fraud detective squad, station number 9 at 5:37 PM on March 29 [5 favorites]


Interesting comparison - infection rates v income

In Australia the hotspots in Sydney and Melbourne are both high income/high wealth. In addition, a few of the "super-spreader" events were also high net worth gatherings. A combination of privilege and arrogance may impact mortality.

My assessment is that the US is going to be an outlier. Most countries will either follow the China/South Korea trajectory - effective lockdown, then test and track and test some more and keep tracking - or Italy/Spain - partial lockdown, extended lockdown, collective response which minimises contact as the default ongoing social condition but which allows the health system to deal with the flattened curve.

The US will have the partial lockdown, but limited tracking, and a health system which will be overwhelmed. If Fauci is saying 200,000, given a doubling rate every 3 days, one lost week means that could be 800,000. One effective week, and that number is 50,000. Privilege and arrogance are favouring lost weeks.
posted by Barbara Spitzer at 5:48 PM on March 29 [3 favorites]


Italy/Spain - partial lockdown, extended lockdown, collective response which minimises contact as the default ongoing social condition but which allows the health system to deal with the flattened curve.


(emphasis mine)

Is this your assessment of what's happening in italy/spain? Because it's not what the italians and spanish are saying. They are overwhelmed.
posted by lalochezia at 6:02 PM on March 29 [4 favorites]


Also, as is usual, the numbers out of China for the mortality rate are starting to look "adjusted". Which means that the infection rate is also dubious.

https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/wuhan-deaths-03272020182846.html

Reuters.com has some pretty good global figures as to infection/recovery/deaths

So the poorly performing countries on mortality rates are at the 8-10% rate - Spain, Italy, etc

The well performing countries are still coming in at 2%.
posted by Barbara Spitzer at 6:03 PM on March 29 [1 favorite]


Italy and Spain are currently overwhelmed and will continue to be so for 4 to 8 weeks. But thereafter, there will still be infections, but the system should be able to cope, basically because a lot of the sicker people will have died.

To the extent that the health system will itself have been affected as a result of front-line staff being infected, the capacity may be compromised.
posted by Barbara Spitzer at 6:08 PM on March 29


strangely, a good chunk of the ambulances going down the road outside our apartment (Lafayette in BK) just go with lights on and sirens off. and they drive slower now. ditto for DeKalb which I can also see, I imagine on their way to Brooklyn Hospital downtown.

it's a grim change. I can only imagine the vast bulk of their calls are ferrying COVID cases at this point.

there is a coop tower across from us. must be 15 units a floor for 15 floors or so. ambulances pulling in multiple times a day every day. lights on, no sirens. the virus must be ripping through the halls.

best of luck and health to everyone.
posted by One Thousand and One at 6:17 PM on March 29 [5 favorites]


For those who don't want to give The Daily Mail a click, here is the COVID-19 data map for NYC for the week ending yesterday, March 28th, direct from NYC.gov.
posted by droplet at 7:19 PM on March 29 [4 favorites]


Although I guess with enough dudes with guns the NYPD could resort to piracy.

i bet there's probably some kind of exploitable language within the asset forfeiture laws that could be used.
posted by poffin boffin at 9:19 PM on March 29 [3 favorites]


It, uh, doesn't seem like cruise ships have the proper sanitation and ventilation facilities to be suitable as hospitals?

Nevertheless, the cruise ship terminal is the location Trump decreed would be the site of the emergency hospital in Brooklyn. Go figure.

My outrage/shock/frustration meter has burned out. I don't even react to news of the latest outrage any more.

(One Thousand And One - you may be close by me, I'm in Clinton Hill.)
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 9:19 PM on March 29


The well performing countries are still coming in at 2%.

I thought South Korea was only at .6%? Their figures seem to be trustable, in the sense that they are a fairly transparent democracy with a major outbreak that they managed to keep from swamping the health care system.
posted by tavella at 9:58 PM on March 29


Speaking as an Spaniard, while things are very grim in Madrid and Catalonia and not so grim in other parts of the country (but still moderately grim), this week we're already seeing a smaller relative percentage of new cases here and in the case of Italy a smaller number of deaths, and we're watching in total horror the slow-moving trainwreck that is coming your way.

Italy and Spain have universal healthcare systems as brittle as 10+ years of austerity politics and privatization have left us with, but we're doing way better than you will with your GoFundMe healthcare and your Orange Skull president looking for TV ratings.
posted by sukeban at 10:25 PM on March 29 [14 favorites]


there is a coop tower across from us. must be 15 units a floor for 15 floors or so. ambulances pulling in multiple times a day every day. lights on, no sirens. the virus must be ripping through the halls.

During the SARS epidemic they learned that certain methods of sewer/bathroom ventilation combined with aerosolized virus (from flushing) meant that specific high rises had an extraordinary rate of infection. Wonder if the same is happening there.
posted by internet fraud detective squad, station number 9 at 10:46 PM on March 29 [3 favorites]


...Just spending a quiet morning refreshing Vessel Finder, to watch the USNS Comfort steam up the Jersey coast for the relief of New York City . . . interesting times.
posted by AsYouKnow Bob at 3:42 AM on March 30 [3 favorites]


For those who don't want to give The Daily Mail a click, here is the COVID-19 data map for NYC for the week ending yesterday, March 28th, direct from NYC.gov.

NB, that's a map of the percent of tests that come back positive.

In NYC, for a while, there has been a pretty strong mandate to only seek testing and care if you are severe symptoms and require hospitalization; people with mild or moderate cases, even if they have known contact with a confirmed coronavirus case, are encouraged to stay home - to protect health care workers and to preserve hospitals' supply of personal protective equipment. data coming out of NYC tell us about *serious cases* not about *all cases*.
posted by entropone at 5:08 AM on March 30 [5 favorites]




So, this came though my extended friend network but, you know that Burns 8-part documentary series about New York City? The one that makes me cry at least once every time I watch it? (It’s on Amazon right now btw)

Well during the orginal filming they were wrapping up production on episode 7 when 9/11 happened, thus putting the production into chaos and requiring an 8th episode about that.

The team has been putting together a two-part ten years follow up episode on whats happened to The city in the last ten odd years since the last episode. They were working on episode two ...right when the pandemic hit. They’re on hold for at least three months to see what to do about it.
posted by The Whelk at 7:40 AM on March 30 [6 favorites]


Regarding curve-flattening, that NYT graph now has the death rates in Spain and France doubling every 4 days, rather than every 3 days as they were a couple of days ago. Which is something (although of course there's always the possibility that it is simply a testing artifact).
posted by Not A Thing at 7:41 AM on March 30 [1 favorite]


From DSA member and state senator Julia Salazar

“ Sobering updates from inside Woodhull, our local public hospital:

- A physician’s assistant there recently died from COVID

- Hospital is no longer able to schedule any appointments

- They received 8 new ventilators yesterday

Our hospitals need MORE support, not Medicaid cuts.”
posted by The Whelk at 8:12 AM on March 30 [2 favorites]




A lot of people don’t have the savings to cover a month of New York City rent, so regardless of what the governor or landlords say, people simply are not going to pay. I think about my laid-off roommate, a bartender, and how everyone in my apartment has agreed not to pay rent.
posted by The Whelk at 12:44 PM on April 1 [1 favorite]


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