“No child of mine is going to be a p*g!”

May 19, 2021 1:08 PM

It Is Unconscionable That The Gay Community Has Ostracized Me Simply Because I Was Born A Cop
posted by rorgy (37 comments total)

There are some great zingers in the comments, too. From commenter "NunOfTheAbove":

I don't know, being a cop just goes against nature. You never see a wolf planting evidence to incriminate a bear in the woods. Our creator made Adam and Steve, not Starsky and Hutch.

posted by Faint of Butt at 1:14 PM on May 19, 2021 [93 favorites]

Also see gender according to the cis, based on their cakes which includes the absolute gem "Assigned Cop At Birth."
posted by Drastic at 1:22 PM on May 19, 2021 [48 favorites]

that nyt editorial referenced in the piece is really some steaming not-all-cops bullshit.

"The decision also disproportionately affects L.G.B.T.Q. police officers, many of whom have been fighting for reforms; they shouldn’t be judged, and even set back, by the worst behavior of their colleagues."

FOH...
posted by One Thousand and One at 1:26 PM on May 19, 2021 [6 favorites]

“I mean, if it wasn’t for police officers like me, the Stonewall Rebellion would never have even happened.”

Oof, that’s a heck of a sentence. Lovely satire, thank you.
posted by Paragon at 1:31 PM on May 19, 2021 [49 favorites]

But it slowly got better. I scraped together enough money to move to New York City, where there are actually places and resources to help people like me. The annual police budget here is over $5 billion. That may not sound like much to firefighters, teachers, or nurses, but for underprivileged police officers like me, it’s a lifeline.

I lol'd...
posted by chavenet at 1:33 PM on May 19, 2021 [15 favorites]

Swiftian satire. It stings! Thanks for posting.
posted by zerobyproxy at 1:34 PM on May 19, 2021

I know that some cops have transitioned to civilians, and I celebrate that, but aren't they still basically socialized as cops? Idk.. sorry if this is offensive
posted by theodolite at 1:35 PM on May 19, 2021 [47 favorites]

Our creator made Adam and Steve, not Starsky and Hutch.
Someone's overdue for a Starskinson re-watch.
posted by Iris Gambol at 1:38 PM on May 19, 2021 [2 favorites]

NYT Op-Ed voice:
Without police, there would be no Pride. Because the clashes between the NYPD and Queer people in ‘68 are the genesis for the parades, police themselves are a bedrock of the LGBTQ community—but they won’t be treated as such this year. Is it even “pride” anymore?

From ben_awareness on twitter
posted by subdee at 1:38 PM on May 19, 2021 [1 favorite]

Just take off your uniform and go to Pride as a civilian, duh. Or wear a sexy cop outfit and people will just think it's Village People cosplay.
posted by subdee at 1:39 PM on May 19, 2021 [1 favorite]

Wow infuriating, I hope cops protest the pride parade by doing civil disobedience and eventually tear gassing and mass arresting themselves
posted by windbox at 1:45 PM on May 19, 2021 [34 favorites]

a small voice heard shouting from the back:
"This is just more Firefighter Erasure!"
posted by bartleby at 1:55 PM on May 19, 2021 [19 favorites]

When I came across that editorial I really thought it must be by some "conservative" guest columnist. It was so - tone deaf, to put it mildly. When a huge part of the problem in policing is the way officers circle the wagons, putting their brotherhood or whatever ahead of things like conscience and ethics, framing "a ban on uniformed police and corrections officers marching as groups"* as "being banished for [their] identity" is just amazing. If they identified as people first and foremost, or as servants to the entire public, rather than as police, there would have been no call for the ban in the first place.

The N.Y.P.D.’s relationship with the L.G.B.T.Q. community in New York has been marked by missteps and abuse at times, which have bred distrust. But the long road to repairing that relationship, and ensuring the safety of the city’s gay community, isn’t made easier by deepening the divide.

It almost sounds like a threat. The job isn't to protect and serve the people you've got an easy relationship with.


* That's the NYT's wording. The actual statement NYC Pride put out says "corrections and law enforcement exhibitors", which is more ambiguous about whether officers can take part as private citizens.
posted by trig at 1:59 PM on May 19, 2021 [11 favorites]

Fortunately, transit police will still be representing the trains community.
posted by SPrintF at 2:13 PM on May 19, 2021 [36 favorites]

But if we ban all the cops, who will protect my deeply valued right to walk while being transgender? The NRA? EMTs? ADA?
posted by Jacen at 2:19 PM on May 19, 2021 [1 favorite]

@mcclure111:

So I do have this correct that across 24 hours
- Tennessee signed into law a law saying that business that allow trans people in are required to post warning signs
- As if in immediate response, the NYT ed board published a screed complaining that queers discriminate against cops

It is Going Down and we are finding out how people respond when the far right finally comes for us— which is to say, they don't really respond at all. If anything the response to the new spate of anti-trans laws is much more muted than the set in 2016 was.

posted by Glegrinof the Pig-Man at 2:29 PM on May 19, 2021 [26 favorites]

They spent the last four years spewing their hate freely online, even in some places passing it off as "progressive" to be against e.g. wearing leather at Pride, and now they're cashing in their chips, yup.

That Tennessee law is so vile, if we don't watch it we'll be in the same situation as the UK soon.
posted by subdee at 2:33 PM on May 19, 2021 [3 favorites]

ah, the classic acab = "assigned cop at birth" joke, given a deluxe treatment
posted by i used to be someone else at 2:39 PM on May 19, 2021 [8 favorites]

I wonder what they're up to at deadspin these days. Not enough to actually look, but still.
posted by East14thTaco at 3:01 PM on May 19, 2021 [2 favorites]

Reposting this only bc it is censored... but when I say they've been spewing their hate freely online for the last four years and passing it off as progressive, I really mean it. Here's the discourse du jour on fandom twitter. Really the culture warriors purposefully go into games and comics communities, where the kids are at, and spread their poison there under the radar.
posted by subdee at 3:07 PM on May 19, 2021 [5 favorites]

That article is fantastic.
posted by medusa at 4:40 PM on May 19, 2021

Reposting this only bc it is censored... but when I say they've been spewing their hate freely online for the last four years and passing it off as progressive, I really mean it. Here's the discourse du jour on fandom twitter

Are you sure you're in the right thread here? Because I need some serious education if I can connect a fandom with a snarky article from a sports blog. That Twitter link doesn't seem to help.
posted by East14thTaco at 4:56 PM on May 19, 2021

so i'm not sure how the fandom stuff connects, but the recent Discourse on Queer twitter--or rather, more specifically, younger zoomer/millennial white queer twitter--is a recurring anti-kink, anti-sex, button-down purity culture at pride type deal; essentially, middle-class cishet corporatized family friendly pride or bust.
posted by i used to be someone else at 5:11 PM on May 19, 2021 [9 favorites]

the recent Discourse on Queer twitter--or rather, more specifically, younger zoomer/millennial white queer twitter--is a recurring anti-kink, anti-sex, button-down purity culture at pride type deal

whew. Is that tied to ageism, like a "I don't want to see The Olds in leather, ew, gross" kind of thing?
posted by Anonymous at 6:06 PM on May 19, 2021

ACAB=Assigned Cop At Birth
posted by emjaybee at 6:15 PM on May 19, 2021

whew. Is that tied to ageism, like a "I don't want to see The Olds in leather, ew, gross" kind of thing?

Agism and purposeful recruitment, especially among the young AFAB folks. The anti-pornography feminists got to them on tumblr. And then in intersects with qanon type conspiracy theory thinking too, the older fandom folks aren't just gross but they're all potentially predators using sexy fanfic as a grooming tool.
posted by subdee at 6:28 PM on May 19, 2021 [1 favorite]

Hence the ironic "if I see any kink shit at pride, i'm calling the cops" stance I linked to.

It is slightly off topic though, carry on.
posted by subdee at 6:38 PM on May 19, 2021

whew. Is that tied to ageism, like a "I don't want to see The Olds in leather, ew, gross" kind of thing?

Younger people in general have a much stronger conception of consent and do not consider attending pride to be consenting to viewing kink.
posted by zymil at 6:53 PM on May 19, 2021 [4 favorites]

whew. Is that tied to ageism, like a "I don't want to see The Olds in leather, ew, gross" kind of thing?
Also proposals (definitely not consensus, but what seems like more people putting it forward) that the age of consent needs to be moved up to either 21 or 25.
posted by CrystalDave at 6:55 PM on May 19, 2021 [1 favorite]

I'm going to feel really bad if this post derails away from dunking on cops and celebrating Pride, where it was headed before my intervention. Seriously, it's awesome that NYCPride banned the cops.
posted by subdee at 7:23 PM on May 19, 2021 [13 favorites]

And this discourse about Pride and kink runs every single year, like clockwork, even last year when all the Pride events were cancelled, proving it's not always real people who start it. It just sucks (some of) the queer kids are buying in.
posted by subdee at 7:37 PM on May 19, 2021 [7 favorites]

Younger people in general have a much stronger conception of consent and do not consider attending pride to be consenting to viewing kink.

Isn't the whole point of Pride that people don't need other people's consent to exist in public?

(This does make the cop ban awkward but that's just the paradox of tolerance rearing its head again).
posted by srboisvert at 5:37 AM on May 20, 2021 [8 favorites]

Nicely done.

(I'm usually a bit wary of "born this way" arguments, on either side, even in parody. Both because it invites people to make dumb jokes about the concept and because nothing about the legitimacy of LGBTQ+ rights would change if the science behind those arguments were suddenly proven wrong. But, this seems to be all in good fun and well aimed.)
posted by eotvos at 6:39 AM on May 20, 2021 [5 favorites]

Isn't the whole point of Pride that people don't need other people's consent to exist in public?

Clearly not. Some people think it's okay to not be ashamed of themselves, which we all know is absolutely not what Pride is about. If you have no shame you have no place at Pride.
posted by Mr.Encyclopedia at 12:15 PM on May 20, 2021 [6 favorites]

Clearly not. Some people think it's okay to not be ashamed of themselves, which we all know is absolutely not what Pride is about. If you have no shame you have no place at Pride.


If I could favorite this a million times I would, now THAT'S satire !
posted by subdee at 2:46 PM on May 20, 2021

Nothing wrong with them but I wouldn't want my gender-fluid child to marry one.
posted by JJ86 at 6:22 AM on May 22, 2021

Pride this year will be queer fucking in the streets you have know idea just how much pent up hornt we are desperate to put somewhere this year.

It’s gonna be the kinkiest sluttiest public-fuckingest pride in the history of humanity.
posted by noiseanoise at 7:31 PM on May 22, 2021 [2 favorites]